This is also explored in The Clone Wars. Yoda asks Qui-Gon if he knows the true identity of Darth Sidious and Qui-Gon tells Yoda "I can only show you where the answers will be revealed to you". So Force Ghosts probably can't reveal these things and that's an even bigger instance because if Qui-Gon could have and did, the Empire wouldn't have even been a thing. They can only help and advise. And as far as Anakin knew, when he died, he'd taken Sidious with him permanently. He didn't know about the contingency plan Sidious had so he believed he'd left the Sith Eternal without a leader so who was going to use that fleet anyway? The cultists don't strike me as the most initiative driven beings so I doubt they would have struck out on their own. Now that said, it's easily resolved by Anakin telling Luke about Exegol and putting him on the trail which eventually goes cold and Luke moves on. This was never even a question to me because it's clear that Force ghosts have limitations. Obi-Wan says in Empire, when Luke faces Vader, he "cannot intervere".
THANK YOU I never understood why people were saying that Yoda's and Luke's force ghosts should have helped in the sequels since we learned they can interact physically with the world. It was made clear since Obi-Wan's ghost said to Luke that he can't interfere. They are only here to guide the protagonists probably to their destiny according to the force/the wills but they have no interest in interfering directly. They are no more involved in that war.
@@nagger8216 Exactly that's my point. I always saw them as becoming omniscient characters. That was what I thought since I was a kid and I was surprised that not everyone saw it in that way. When they become one with the Force it is all now futile when you know everything that happened and everything that is going to happen. We could say they become in a way the messengers of the Whills. We have even seen in the movies that the Force guides the characters towards their destiny all the time even before the ghosts of the Jedi. I see it as a tornado which has the power to destroy entire cities, it will not choose what it will destroy. It might destroy some things more than the others but nature can't have the will to change the course of things because there is nothing good or bad to change finally that's just the way it is. Edit: I didn't see the video I may be repeating some things he already said I'm sorry
I recall Vader finding a dozen ships that weren't functional and mockingly saying "is this all you have?" Clearly Vader didn't register it as a threat, and any potential problem they had disappeared when Palpatine died (or so he thought).
You have pretty much both explained and handled the quandary concerning the Force Ghosts in Star Wars mythology. Also like any good story you never overload the audience with too many details or they will become bored and walk away.
Exactly, he mostly did that's why Luke was searching for Exegol. One could also ask why didn't Qui-Gon told Yoda in Dagobah that the chancellor was Sidious, it is implied that Qui-Gon knew.
@@damandelorean Yoda was in contact with Qui-Gon during the last arc of season six of The Clone Wars. That arc also explains how Yoda knew Palpatine's Sith name in Revenge of the Sith.
People talk about why Anakin didn't warn Luke about details regarding the sequel trilogy, makes me want to challenge them asking why didn't Anakin intervene as much in the expanded universe. Generally you will find the same answer that the force ghosts aren't there to intervene and hold the hand of the heroes. Every now and then they will appear as a guide and give warnings. But they want to also give our heroes the chance to step up instead of them taking care of every little problem. If they intervene at one instance, people wonder immediately why didn't they intervene from other instances.
@@arroz6200 You for real? This whole channel is all about disney star wars. The people in the vids comment sections are fans who love disney star wars.
"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.”
1) he told maybe which is why Luke researched about Sith Wayfinder 2) Palpatine didnt even tell his apprentice Dooku that Seperatist were just a distraction He wanted to rule from republic not seperatist So Vader may didnt know his full plan 3) Lazy to tell
1) Anakin's had his own wayfinder on Mustafar, apparently. So Anakin should've told Luke to stop by and pick it up. 2) According to the recent Vader comics, He's been to Exegol personally, worked with Ochi, and has seen the fleet himself while having it explained to him their power of deleting planets. 3) Lazy Writing
@@grayski3324 first one , luke isnt a darksider to open holocron Maybe did some research blah blah Im not a big lore guy so , whats your opinion is ok 2) dooku knew about creation of clone army ,he knew order 66 But didnt knew Sidious using him 3) yeah lazy writing If im wrong dont care about it I dont read much comics or books Bye
@@sanstheelumbu 1)Where was it stated that you needed to be dark to use the wayfinder? Rey could do it since all you needed was to plug the thing into your ship. So why couldn't Luke do it? 2) Dooku knew enough to be effective in the clone wars but got betrayed by Palpatine. What Dooku knew and what a newly turned Anakin knew aren't comparable. Anakin knew actually what the final order was but he told nobody. 3) Good, we agree that it was lazy writing.
He probably thought it was done without palpatine but then again Luke and Lando were looking for either ochi or the wayfinder at some point so I guess Luke knew but dropped that when the threat of snoke and the first order came around
I’m glad you showed the World Between Worlds here because it’s effectively the same situation with Ahsoka - even though she’s still alive. She was ripped out of her time, saved when she should have died, and placed back in that time after the danger had passed. She knows that isn’t right and that she needs to remove herself from the conflict and not interfere, instead embarking on a very personal journey of her own. Ahsoka could have helped win the Galactic Civil War, but similar to a Force ghost, that’s simply not her place. To do so would be against nature and the will of the Force.
@Lego Commander Cody He… did… lmfao. Why do you think Luke was looking for Exegol and the Wayfinder, as stated in TROS? There are LITERALLY ZERO plot holes in the Sequels. None. Not a single one. If you use your brain you’ll realise this.
It’s one of those things where I’m fine whether if it’s explained or not. The Prequels explained too much and in doing so, created many OTHER plot holes for the Original Trilogy.
Because he didn't know Palpatine would return, so the fleet was without a leader. And besides him and Ochi very few, if almost nobody in the Empire even knew about this grand plan.
It would also utterly break Star Wars. You have to look at these things in regards to the entire trilogy. Why didn't force ghost Obi-Wan train Luke and teach him everything about the clone wars, Anakin and the force. A force ghost is never late, nor is he ever early. He arrives precisely when he means to. Force Ghosts guide people towards their destiny. They cannot fight their battles for them.
Force Ghost separating from the Cosmic Force being painful is something I never thought of. The Force equivalent of forcing yourself up from bed to go to work. XD
I think one of the rules of force ghosts is to not interfere with the living unless absolutely necessary. The emperor was in bad condition anyways so I'm sure anakin also figured rey would finish him easily. Obi wan's interference with the rest of the original trilogy was an instance of necessity to help luke bring balance. Luke didn't really have a strong connection with the force yet so obo wan needed to give luke breadcrumbs to figure it all out
That’s a lot of speculation. Before the Vader comic, it would have been easier to say that the Emperor kept Vader blind because he could sense the light and the forthcoming betrayal.
Maybe the price of immortality and omnipotency means you can’t say things that breaks the passage of time, otherwise you betray the will of the Force constantly seeking balance and gifted some semblance of an afterlife.
Anyone else read Star Wars and the Philosophy? This is explored in the book... Does the eternal observer, capable of watching past, present, and future, at the same time, cause anything to change because he knows what is going to happen? Or does he simply know and therefore let it happen as it should (something like that, I don't quite remember, but my point is Force Ghosts are the eternal observers and they may not be able or willing to change events)
Force ghosts are "omnipotent" because the Force is omnipotent, but that doesn't mean that a person who becomes a Force ghost can do *anything they want*. Obi-wan and Yoda couldn't show up at the Death Star 2 to magically kill Palpatine because that's not what the Force wanted. The Force wanted Luke and Vader to work it out. Force ghosts can only act in accordance with the will of the Force, because they ARE the Force. This is why they sometimes seem selective about what information they'll share or in what ways they'll intervene in the story. All Force ghosts are just a conduit for the cosmic Force to communicate with living characters in a way that is visually engaging for the viewer.
Pitch Meeting "Wouldn't Anakin's Force Ghost think it's important to tell Luke about Palpatine's massive Star Destroyer Fleet on Exegol?" "Whoops." "Whoosie!"
In Doctor Who historical events are considered fixed points in time, which means that those events are meant to happen, so that can be a simple explanation.
People demanding perfectly optimal intervention from Force Ghosts need to remember that plot convenience is LITERALLY one of the physical laws of the Star Wars universe. The ghosts can only do things that enhance the plot, not undermine it.
The entire force in the OT was built to serve the plot, not the other way around. It did whatever the hell the writers needed it to do, which people have forgotten at this point.
@@grayski3324 Well all the force ghosts know everything that will happen in the future. But like Obi-Wan said to Luke in episode 6, as force ghost they must not interfere. They can offer guidance and help when they are truly needed, but they can't outright solve their problems or fix everything before it's caues
@@teejaybricks3603 It's still fucked that Anakin apparently didn't drop a hint to his Son and his allies about Palpatine's secret fleet. Just let the galaxy spiral, FFS.
But if Anakin wanted to point Luke in right direction, wouldn't he tell him to stop by his castle and pick up his wayfinder. That's literally what Luke was after. It's an interesting point you bring up about the Force Ghosts though, and I can't see there being any clarification anytime soon.
I agree with your headcanon for the most part, Alex, but one thing I see a lot of people talking about is how Force Ghosts are omniscient. I'll be up front & say I haven't read a lot of the Disney Canon novels & stories, but I think ESB & RotJ imply otherwise. Yoda & Obi-Wan are clearly concerned about Luke going to confront Vader. They're afraid he'll fall. If Obi-Wan was all-knowing, he'd know Luke would be fine. Obi-Wan also clearly states that he "cannot interfere". Not "will not", but "_can_ not". Obi-Wan is similarly upset at the idea of Luke trying to redeem his father rather than kill him. If he was omniscient, he would know Anakin could be saved, which not the vibe he gives off during the conversation. You could overthink this more & say that he acts in the way which will push Luke to do what needs to be done to save Anakin, but... that's doubly over thinking this, and doesn't explain what we saw in ESB. I think that there are rules to Force-ghosting (which admittedly seem to have been ignored in the sequels), they've just never been explicitly stated. And I think lack of omniscience is one of them: they are better at knowing things than when they were simply Jedi, but that doesn't mean they know everything
Love the thumbnail 😄👍🏻 Also, if the ghosts told the living all the answers, the living wouldn’t be able to learn. Thus, making the living more dependent on the ghost
Yea if Anakin knew the future when he became a force ghost where is the need to step in? He knew that exegol would eventually fall in the way that it did regardless of him doing anything.
I appreciate you giving your take on this subject. I actually don't think this is a question about force ghosts, because if Anakin really wanted to tell Luke about the Final Order, which is obviously a significant threat to the wellbeing of the Galaxy, he should have told him about it while he was still alive on the Death Star, after Palpatine's "death" by his hands. Obviously this doesn't work with what we see in Return of the Jedi, which begs the question of why even bring Vader in on the project at all in the comics? The events of the Rise of Skywalker are convoluted enough without doing things like letting Vader in on it during the time of the Empire to further complicate things.
When the movie cut from darth vader's sacrifice, it went to other scenes and when it cut back to the Luke and vader sequence, Luke was dragging him to the shuttle. Maybe he told Luke about it while he was being taken to the shuttle.
I love how the comments are filled with people just saying "There is no answer, new thing bad", despite the fact this video is literally about an answer. Like, these people could at least *watch* the video before screaming like children.
"Why didnt the Force Ghosts do something" is the "Why didnt the Eagles just fly them to the mountain" of Star Wars. Cause it would make a shittier story
I feel like the cosmic force has it's own plan for the galaxy, and that whatever force ghosts appears, they HAVE to follow trough with the will of the force. They cannot intervene in major events unless they are supposed to. It's almost like how Doctor Strange looked into the future and saw millions of possible futures, but only one where they would be able to win. He HAD to follow trough with the way that timeline went on, no matter what. He knew Thanos would require all infinity stones in the start, and that this HAD to happen in order for that ONE timeline to happen. And the Force Ghosts of Star Wars follows a similar pattern to this. They follow the will of the force, and every event that happens shapes the future which WILL happen the way it does. The Force ghosts are aware of this. They can only guide people in the right direction, and they do not interfere with events, because they aren't meant to. It's almost like saying that the story of Star Wars is set in stone. And every event that happens always WAS going to happen... But I feel like it's more so that certain events are locked in the timeline, with some form for flexibility. Free will exists, but major events can not be changed. At least not easily. I believe that the only major event that was changed in Star Wars was Ahsoka's death by Vader.
I don't know if this has any supporting evidence, but what if Anakin became one with the force but Vader didn't? We know they're essentially two different entities. What if the light side personality joins the force while the dark dies, so as far as Anakin is concerned he doesn't remember anything past episode 3 before deciding to save Luke?
I think people miss a point and it’s in the last Jedi which is that Luke was like what I have seen is what I need to know and he was so adamant about that he cut himself off from the force.
I disagree, I don't think that Time in Star Wars is so definitive and immutable. Like, it's not like the Cosmic Force is that villain from Loki. I think Anakin warned Luke, I think Force ghosts are extremely powerfull, but to act on the "real world" takes a lot of energy (and thats why regular people cant become Force ghosts, but thats why Léia managed to see Padmé in Naboo and Ben to see Han, because they are so powerfull, that they manage to bring back those that are not Force users, even if briefly), and I think that Force ghosts, as well as Force users can see possibilities of the future, but not the future It self. Thats why they can't always show up and say, hey do that, because it's kind like Édipo (and Anakin): by trying to prevent a profecy, you make it happen.
Force ghosts can see the beginning and the end of time at the same time, maybe because of this he knew Luke would have been dead by that point so it would have been pointless to tell him.
Deux Ex Machina planet! The emperor could site around in his underpants wanking and just say "that was my plan all along!" as nothing has any stakes any more. Get directly into the bin!
I like your idea, but what if force ghosts have no perception of time, and they were gonna tell luke but didn't want to separate themselves from the force. maybe since the can't tell time they thought they had a few more years to tell luke when really he was already teaching rey.
Well, when it comes to understanding the nature of force ghost and what they can or can’t do, the answer can best be found in one of Star Wars’ biggest influencers, eastern culture and philosophy (particularly within the beliefs and practices of Taoism and Buddhism). As becoming a force ghost is less about getting rewarded and going to “force heaven” and more so about achieving enlightenment/nirvana. Because learning to preserve one’s consciousness within the force after death. To transcend one’s mind, body, and spirit to such a degree that the barriers between the living force and cosmic force are virtually nonexistent and one can simply go back and forth between the physical and spiritual plains. Those are ideas and concepts that can namely be found within Buddhist teachings. I mean when Buddha achieved enlightenment, did he go around solving everyone’s problems by shooting laser beams from his eyes or something? No, he instead took a passive role as a guide and a teacher. Helping others to find their own path to nirvana. And the force and the force ghost are that within the Star Wars galaxy, guides meant to aid others on their own road to enlightenment. As yoda said in ESB “luminous beings are we, not this crude matter”. On a side note, I believe that’s what the force ghost and by extension the force itself wants at the end of the day. For everyone in the galaxy to become enlightened force ghost or something similar and this why the force ghost only ever guide and not interfere. Because this power, this gift, cannot simply be given or taken. No, it is taught, learned and earned. Because much like the path to enlightenment and nirvana, no one person’s road in life is exactly the same as another’s. As such, it’s up to we, ourselves to each walk down our own journey. To find our own path to nirvana, to limitless power, to eternal paradise, and to enlightenment.
Could it be as simple as something like Vader knows this information and when Anakin comes back some Sith secrets are lost to a Jedi? Or at least obfuscated?
The answer to your video's title: because the episode 9 writers didn't think of that. C'mon, you thought they knew anything about Canon. Chris Terrio never even saw star wars until he was hired to write the script.
i love alex’s positivity but man nothing will ever justify the idea of palpatines return and the final order. i dont even know if dave filoni can do it, and it looks like hes gonna try
I like the headcanon, but the only problem I have with it, is if Anakin told Luke about Exegol and the existence of the Final Order, why not *start* with "Hey, there are two wayfinders that'll take you right there, and one of them is in my old castle" as opposed to telling him to search for Ochi? As someone who loves TROS (and the ST as a whole), I admit, this is one of the bigger things that bothers me
Agreed. Do you suppose he didn't want to put Luke through a trip to Mustafar if there was an easier way to get the information? I imagine Vader's Castle is just saturated with the dark side, and we don't know what kind of traumatic flashbacks Luke would have walking around the area where his mom almost died and Obi-Wan nearly killed his father.
I still think the palatine and final order thing was a cop out. They provided us with an answer that does kinda fit the canon but it still destroys the fact that anakin brought balance to the force.
All this because people made creative decisions and peoe have to back fill stories make up new ones and then all of a sudden not everything makes sense and you gotta make up dumber reasons why things exist. Despite Lucas' questionable decisions I wish one person just stayed in charge
I’m sorry but this still doesn’t add up. If Anakin and all the other Force Ghosts had known everything was going to happen and didn’t interfere with affairs…then why did Obiwan appear in Empire Strikes Back? What was the point if he knew there was no stopping Luke?? Let’s just face it, they barely knew what they wanted to do with the movie and mashed it up into this goliath mess.
@@StarNameKev I’ll kindly decline lmao Kind of a sinister thing to set up your next generation to fail, not just unprofessional, but dangerous path to set Luke on, definitely not the way of the Jedi.
@@darthzoon26 Ya Cause Force Ghosts are not typical Jedi lol. They are part of the Force itself In the end Luke didn't fail tho did he? He saved his father and impacted the next generation of Jedi. I'd say that's a job well done. Sure he lost his hand, his father's lightsaber and his world was turned upside-down, but from a story perspective and a life perspective he needed to fail so he could succeed Does that make sense?
@@StarNameKev Luke already went through that stage in his story. As the man himself, Mark, said “that would almost be like taking three movies to tell how James Bond got his license to kill. And then it’s over. no Doctor, no Goldfinger, no From Russia With Love. I was joking, really, but it did occur to me that he went from a farmboy, then from a trainee to a Jedi. And yet, then it’s over, and there’s no tales of his exploits as a Jedi. So, it was nice to have a rare look at what he would be doing prior to establishing the Jedi Academy, but post Jedi.” Luke already went through his character arc, he’s already proven himself as a character, and is now the galactic idol to be looked up to, not down.
Anakin could have told Luke just before he died. He would have wanted Luke to be safe from a revived Sidious. The only way I can imagine him not telling Luke immediately is if he thought telling him wouldn’t help anyway, which *is* possible though.
I mean it’s not like he could have said much about the secrets of Exegol. After he saved Luke from the emperor, his life support system was heavily damaged and knew he would soon die. So he chose in his final moments to see his son for the first time in his own eyes.
@@grayski3324 the whole point of this video is, who’s to say he didn’t? Even if he didn’t tell him on Endor, there’s a big chunk of time that’s (mostly) unexplored between the end of RoTJ and the sequel trilogy. There’s plenty of opportunities for Anakin to have come to Luke in that time period and told him about Exegol.
A Sith Lord, never truely trusts their apprentice, especially after Sidious betrayed his master and had designs to achieve immortality (which would be ruined by his apprentice betraying him, which he did) Darkside use of the force, clouds their activities and movements from the light side. When the Jedi were at their peak, a single Sith Lord manage to hide the true intention of obtaining power, ravage the whole galaxy with a two sided war, keep the Jedi at bay and busy for a whole war, plan the design of a planet killer, and start plan to strip mine Ilum, and plan their execution at the hand of their closest allies the clone troopers... so hiding the next phase of his plan would be as simple.
This title is click bait. Its assumed by the title that this is the official reason as to why he wasn't told by Anakin, not your personal headcanon. Title should say Why I Think.. I know I clicked on this expecting the official answer, I'm sure others did as well.
@@wwb16 people like you complain about the sequel trilogy apparently breaking canon when you probably love legends which has WAY more stupid things and contradictions
@@omarbaba9892 Legends was fine because everyone knew from the start that it was a take it or leave it kinda thing but the Sequel Trilogy violated the main rule of storytelling 1. Have a point.
This is also explored in The Clone Wars. Yoda asks Qui-Gon if he knows the true identity of Darth Sidious and Qui-Gon tells Yoda "I can only show you where the answers will be revealed to you". So Force Ghosts probably can't reveal these things and that's an even bigger instance because if Qui-Gon could have and did, the Empire wouldn't have even been a thing. They can only help and advise.
And as far as Anakin knew, when he died, he'd taken Sidious with him permanently. He didn't know about the contingency plan Sidious had so he believed he'd left the Sith Eternal without a leader so who was going to use that fleet anyway? The cultists don't strike me as the most initiative driven beings so I doubt they would have struck out on their own. Now that said, it's easily resolved by Anakin telling Luke about Exegol and putting him on the trail which eventually goes cold and Luke moves on. This was never even a question to me because it's clear that Force ghosts have limitations. Obi-Wan says in Empire, when Luke faces Vader, he "cannot intervere".
THANK YOU I never understood why people were saying that Yoda's and Luke's force ghosts should have helped in the sequels since we learned they can interact physically with the world. It was made clear since Obi-Wan's ghost said to Luke that he can't interfere. They are only here to guide the protagonists probably to their destiny according to the force/the wills but they have no interest in interfering directly. They are no more involved in that war.
@@nagger8216 Exactly that's my point. I always saw them as becoming omniscient characters. That was what I thought since I was a kid and I was surprised that not everyone saw it in that way. When they become one with the Force it is all now futile when you know everything that happened and everything that is going to happen. We could say they become in a way the messengers of the Whills. We have even seen in the movies that the Force guides the characters towards their destiny all the time even before the ghosts of the Jedi.
I see it as a tornado which has the power to destroy entire cities, it will not choose what it will destroy. It might destroy some things more than the others but nature can't have the will to change the course of things because there is nothing good or bad to change finally that's just the way it is.
Edit: I didn't see the video I may be repeating some things he already said I'm sorry
He did do but he didn’t really care but anakin not telling Luke is good because sequels never happened then
@@seryopelor yes force is sentient
Would love to see a Luke-Anakin conversation in Shadows of the Sith which sends him on his mission
I recall Vader finding a dozen ships that weren't functional and mockingly saying "is this all you have?" Clearly Vader didn't register it as a threat, and any potential problem they had disappeared when Palpatine died (or so he thought).
You have pretty much both explained and handled the quandary concerning the Force Ghosts in Star Wars mythology. Also like any good story you never overload the audience with too many details or they will become bored and walk away.
Exactly, he mostly did that's why Luke was searching for Exegol. One could also ask why didn't Qui-Gon told Yoda in Dagobah that the chancellor was Sidious, it is implied that Qui-Gon knew.
Yoda already found out in Revenge of the Sith before he went on exile. What are you talking about ?
where is it implied?
@@damandelorean they mean in the clone wars
@@damandelorean Yoda was in contact with Qui-Gon during the last arc of season six of The Clone Wars. That arc also explains how Yoda knew Palpatine's Sith name in Revenge of the Sith.
@@captaincoolbreeze9429 that was after seeing the vision quigon never told him
Master and apprentice is a good book. And this is a good head canon. It makes sense.
People talk about why Anakin didn't warn Luke about details regarding the sequel trilogy, makes me want to challenge them asking why didn't Anakin intervene as much in the expanded universe. Generally you will find the same answer that the force ghosts aren't there to intervene and hold the hand of the heroes. Every now and then they will appear as a guide and give warnings. But they want to also give our heroes the chance to step up instead of them taking care of every little problem. If they intervene at one instance, people wonder immediately why didn't they intervene from other instances.
Force Ghost Anakin is such a non-entity in the EU. I can count on a Ninja Turtle's hand the number of appearances he makes.
@@nagger8216 it is when people want the EU canon rather than Disney's take on Star Wars.
@@arroz6200 You for real? This whole channel is all about disney star wars. The people in the vids comment sections are fans who love disney star wars.
@@arroz6200 Okay? What are we supposed do about that?
Yep
"Any time you start talking about non-linear time it gets VERY tricky and confusing"
Yeah, the MCU fanbase is feeling that quote after Loki.
"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.”
1) he told maybe which is why Luke researched about Sith Wayfinder
2) Palpatine didnt even tell his apprentice Dooku that Seperatist were just a distraction
He wanted to rule from republic not seperatist
So Vader may didnt know his full plan
3) Lazy to tell
1) Anakin's had his own wayfinder on Mustafar, apparently. So Anakin should've told Luke to stop by and pick it up.
2) According to the recent Vader comics, He's been to Exegol personally, worked with Ochi, and has seen the fleet himself while having it explained to him their power of deleting planets.
3) Lazy Writing
@@grayski3324 first one , luke isnt a darksider to open holocron
Maybe did some research blah blah
Im not a big lore guy so , whats your opinion is ok
2) dooku knew about creation of clone army ,he knew order 66
But didnt knew Sidious using him
3) yeah lazy writing
If im wrong dont care about it
I dont read much comics or books
Bye
What full plan ? He saw the cloning facility and that's all he needed to know to warn Luke.
@@sanstheelumbu 1)Where was it stated that you needed to be dark to use the wayfinder? Rey could do it since all you needed was to plug the thing into your ship. So why couldn't Luke do it?
2) Dooku knew enough to be effective in the clone wars but got betrayed by Palpatine. What Dooku knew and what a newly turned Anakin knew aren't comparable. Anakin knew actually what the final order was but he told nobody.
3) Good, we agree that it was lazy writing.
@@damandelorean maybe first one then
He probably thought it was done without palpatine but then again Luke and Lando were looking for either ochi or the wayfinder at some point so I guess Luke knew but dropped that when the threat of snoke and the first order came around
I’m glad you showed the World Between Worlds here because it’s effectively the same situation with Ahsoka - even though she’s still alive.
She was ripped out of her time, saved when she should have died, and placed back in that time after the danger had passed. She knows that isn’t right and that she needs to remove herself from the conflict and not interfere, instead embarking on a very personal journey of her own.
Ahsoka could have helped win the Galactic Civil War, but similar to a Force ghost, that’s simply not her place. To do so would be against nature and the will of the Force.
He did, right? That's why Luke was looking for the wayfinder and Exegol. Who's asking this question?
@Lego Commander Cody He… did… lmfao. Why do you think Luke was looking for Exegol and the Wayfinder, as stated in TROS?
There are LITERALLY ZERO plot holes in the Sequels. None. Not a single one. If you use your brain you’ll realise this.
@Lego Commander Cody You haven’t ever seen me on other comment sections and I don’t pretend to know everything.
GRRRR IM ALSO ANGRY
@Lego Commander Cody Where?
It’s one of those things where I’m fine whether if it’s explained or not. The Prequels explained too much and in doing so, created many OTHER plot holes for the Original Trilogy.
Because he didn't know Palpatine would return, so the fleet was without a leader. And besides him and Ochi very few, if almost nobody in the Empire even knew about this grand plan.
It would also utterly break Star Wars. You have to look at these things in regards to the entire trilogy. Why didn't force ghost Obi-Wan train Luke and teach him everything about the clone wars, Anakin and the force. A force ghost is never late, nor is he ever early. He arrives precisely when he means to. Force Ghosts guide people towards their destiny. They cannot fight their battles for them.
Force Ghost separating from the Cosmic Force being painful is something I never thought of. The Force equivalent of forcing yourself up from bed to go to work. XD
I think one of the rules of force ghosts is to not interfere with the living unless absolutely necessary. The emperor was in bad condition anyways so I'm sure anakin also figured rey would finish him easily. Obi wan's interference with the rest of the original trilogy was an instance of necessity to help luke bring balance. Luke didn't really have a strong connection with the force yet so obo wan needed to give luke breadcrumbs to figure it all out
As Bendu said to Kanan; Perhaps it was the Will of the Force that the Jedi were destroyed!
Luke: *That would’ve been nice to know beforehand dad!*
It's like Tech
That’s a lot of speculation. Before the Vader comic, it would have been easier to say that the Emperor kept Vader blind because he could sense the light and the forthcoming betrayal.
Thank you so much for making this video. This is a spectacular explanation!
Maybe the price of immortality and omnipotency means you can’t say things that breaks the passage of time, otherwise you betray the will of the Force constantly seeking balance and gifted some semblance of an afterlife.
The question gives off a "why didn't they take the eagles" vibe.
Anyone else read Star Wars and the Philosophy? This is explored in the book... Does the eternal observer, capable of watching past, present, and future, at the same time, cause anything to change because he knows what is going to happen? Or does he simply know and therefore let it happen as it should (something like that, I don't quite remember, but my point is Force Ghosts are the eternal observers and they may not be able or willing to change events)
Force ghosts are "omnipotent" because the Force is omnipotent, but that doesn't mean that a person who becomes a Force ghost can do *anything they want*. Obi-wan and Yoda couldn't show up at the Death Star 2 to magically kill Palpatine because that's not what the Force wanted. The Force wanted Luke and Vader to work it out.
Force ghosts can only act in accordance with the will of the Force, because they ARE the Force. This is why they sometimes seem selective about what information they'll share or in what ways they'll intervene in the story. All Force ghosts are just a conduit for the cosmic Force to communicate with living characters in a way that is visually engaging for the viewer.
Pitch Meeting
"Wouldn't Anakin's Force Ghost think it's important to tell Luke about Palpatine's massive Star Destroyer Fleet on Exegol?"
"Whoops."
"Whoosie!"
In Doctor Who historical events are considered fixed points in time, which means that those events are meant to happen, so that can be a simple explanation.
People demanding perfectly optimal intervention from Force Ghosts need to remember that plot convenience is LITERALLY one of the physical laws of the Star Wars universe. The ghosts can only do things that enhance the plot, not undermine it.
The entire force in the OT was built to serve the plot, not the other way around. It did whatever the hell the writers needed it to do, which people have forgotten at this point.
That explanation actually makes a lot of sense 👍 nice video
Guessing that he assumed Palpatine being dead was enough for him to think that plan was over
That's still irresponsible on Anakin's part. Mate, you knew that Palpatine had this fleet and where it was, so tell people.
@@grayski3324 Well all the force ghosts know everything that will happen in the future. But like Obi-Wan said to Luke in episode 6, as force ghost they must not interfere. They can offer guidance and help when they are truly needed, but they can't outright solve their problems or fix everything before it's caues
@@teejaybricks3603 thats how a timeline gets messed up
@@teejaybricks3603 It's still fucked that Anakin apparently didn't drop a hint to his Son and his allies about Palpatine's secret fleet. Just let the galaxy spiral, FFS.
Anakin is hardly the most responsible character…
But if Anakin wanted to point Luke in right direction, wouldn't he tell him to stop by his castle and pick up his wayfinder. That's literally what Luke was after. It's an interesting point you bring up about the Force Ghosts though, and I can't see there being any clarification anytime soon.
Unless the Wayfinder wasn't always in his castle
@@StarNameKev fair point
@@josephcauchi3255 That was just speculation on my part, I'm not sure of the Wayfinder's journey
Anything is possible I suppose lol
I agree with your headcanon for the most part, Alex, but one thing I see a lot of people talking about is how Force Ghosts are omniscient. I'll be up front & say I haven't read a lot of the Disney Canon novels & stories, but I think ESB & RotJ imply otherwise.
Yoda & Obi-Wan are clearly concerned about Luke going to confront Vader. They're afraid he'll fall. If Obi-Wan was all-knowing, he'd know Luke would be fine. Obi-Wan also clearly states that he "cannot interfere". Not "will not", but "_can_ not".
Obi-Wan is similarly upset at the idea of Luke trying to redeem his father rather than kill him. If he was omniscient, he would know Anakin could be saved, which not the vibe he gives off during the conversation. You could overthink this more & say that he acts in the way which will push Luke to do what needs to be done to save Anakin, but... that's doubly over thinking this, and doesn't explain what we saw in ESB.
I think that there are rules to Force-ghosting (which admittedly seem to have been ignored in the sequels), they've just never been explicitly stated.
And I think lack of omniscience is one of them: they are better at knowing things than when they were simply Jedi, but that doesn't mean they know everything
Love the thumbnail 😄👍🏻
Also, if the ghosts told the living all the answers, the living wouldn’t be able to learn. Thus, making the living more dependent on the ghost
Yea if Anakin knew the future when he became a force ghost where is the need to step in? He knew that exegol would eventually fall in the way that it did regardless of him doing anything.
“The force ghosts are coming! The force ghosts are coming!”
Excellent point comparing Force Ghosts and the Istari!
I better reread some of these stories in from a certain point of view novels.
I appreciate you giving your take on this subject. I actually don't think this is a question about force ghosts, because if Anakin really wanted to tell Luke about the Final Order, which is obviously a significant threat to the wellbeing of the Galaxy, he should have told him about it while he was still alive on the Death Star, after Palpatine's "death" by his hands. Obviously this doesn't work with what we see in Return of the Jedi, which begs the question of why even bring Vader in on the project at all in the comics? The events of the Rise of Skywalker are convoluted enough without doing things like letting Vader in on it during the time of the Empire to further complicate things.
When the movie cut from darth vader's sacrifice, it went to other scenes and when it cut back to the Luke and vader sequence, Luke was dragging him to the shuttle. Maybe he told Luke about it while he was being taken to the shuttle.
I love how the comments are filled with people just saying "There is no answer, new thing bad", despite the fact this video is literally about an answer. Like, these people could at least *watch* the video before screaming like children.
How the hell will anakin bring balance to the force if he's *dead*
How dare you, this is the Internet! You want rational, you go to a library.
These are the kind of people that defend the prequels as if they were masterpieces even though they are also full of (if not more) inconsistencies
@@emilioalvear8440, I love the prequels but I'll admit that they're pretty shabby
@@TGCPhilip Anakin's destiny was to bring balance, not maintain balance. The Dark Side always returns and so new Chosen Ones must rise up to fight it.
"Why didnt the Force Ghosts do something" is the "Why didnt the Eagles just fly them to the mountain" of Star Wars. Cause it would make a shittier story
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I feel like the cosmic force has it's own plan for the galaxy, and that whatever force ghosts appears, they HAVE to follow trough with the will of the force.
They cannot intervene in major events unless they are supposed to. It's almost like how Doctor Strange looked into the future and saw millions of possible futures, but only one where they would be able to win. He HAD to follow trough with the way that timeline went on, no matter what. He knew Thanos would require all infinity stones in the start, and that this HAD to happen in order for that ONE timeline to happen. And the Force Ghosts of Star Wars follows a similar pattern to this. They follow the will of the force, and every event that happens shapes the future which WILL happen the way it does. The Force ghosts are aware of this. They can only guide people in the right direction, and they do not interfere with events, because they aren't meant to.
It's almost like saying that the story of Star Wars is set in stone. And every event that happens always WAS going to happen... But I feel like it's more so that certain events are locked in the timeline, with some form for flexibility. Free will exists, but major events can not be changed. At least not easily. I believe that the only major event that was changed in Star Wars was Ahsoka's death by Vader.
I mean, I’m pretty sure Anakin *did* tell him, as Luke was looking for the way finder before the sequels
the thumbnail made me laugh hard
Thanks, Alex! 🌠
I don't know if this has any supporting evidence, but what if Anakin became one with the force but Vader didn't? We know they're essentially two different entities. What if the light side personality joins the force while the dark dies, so as far as Anakin is concerned he doesn't remember anything past episode 3 before deciding to save Luke?
I think people miss a point and it’s in the last Jedi which is that Luke was like what I have seen is what I need to know and he was so adamant about that he cut himself off from the force.
Best thumbnail I’ve seen in a while 😂. Good job Disney.
I disagree, I don't think that Time in Star Wars is so definitive and immutable. Like, it's not like the Cosmic Force is that villain from Loki.
I think Anakin warned Luke, I think Force ghosts are extremely powerfull, but to act on the "real world" takes a lot of energy (and thats why regular people cant become Force ghosts, but thats why Léia managed to see Padmé in Naboo and Ben to see Han, because they are so powerfull, that they manage to bring back those that are not Force users, even if briefly), and I think that Force ghosts, as well as Force users can see possibilities of the future, but not the future It self. Thats why they can't always show up and say, hey do that, because it's kind like Édipo (and Anakin): by trying to prevent a profecy, you make it happen.
Force ghosts can see the beginning and the end of time at the same time, maybe because of this he knew Luke would have been dead by that point so it would have been pointless to tell him.
Or;
It could be because "the Final Order" wasn't even a thing until the _"Kelvin"_ Star Wars timeline lol ca2015 _(ish)_
_(if not later)_ ?!? 👼✌
maybe it's like Marvel's "The Watchers" they observe but don't interfere
Deux Ex Machina planet! The emperor could site around in his underpants wanking and just say "that was my plan all along!" as nothing has any stakes any more. Get directly into the bin!
Why don't the Eagles just fly the Ring to Mordor?
I like your idea, but what if force ghosts have no perception of time, and they were gonna tell luke but didn't want to separate themselves from the force. maybe since the can't tell time they thought they had a few more years to tell luke when really he was already teaching rey.
I think you hit the mark explaining it. They are a guide, not a fix all.
*Not agaaain.......Oniwan's gonna kill me*
Thanks! 🙏🏼
Well, when it comes to understanding the nature of force ghost and what they can or can’t do, the answer can best be found in one of Star Wars’ biggest influencers, eastern culture and philosophy (particularly within the beliefs and practices of Taoism and Buddhism). As becoming a force ghost is less about getting rewarded and going to “force heaven” and more so about achieving enlightenment/nirvana.
Because learning to preserve one’s consciousness within the force after death. To transcend one’s mind, body, and spirit to such a degree that the barriers between the living force and cosmic force are virtually nonexistent and one can simply go back and forth between the physical and spiritual plains. Those are ideas and concepts that can namely be found within Buddhist teachings. I mean when Buddha achieved enlightenment, did he go around solving everyone’s problems by shooting laser beams from his eyes or something? No, he instead took a passive role as a guide and a teacher. Helping others to find their own path to nirvana.
And the force and the force ghost are that within the Star Wars galaxy, guides meant to aid others on their own road to enlightenment. As yoda said in ESB “luminous beings are we, not this crude matter”. On a side note, I believe that’s what the force ghost and by extension the force itself wants at the end of the day. For everyone in the galaxy to become enlightened force ghost or something similar and this why the force ghost only ever guide and not interfere. Because this power, this gift, cannot simply be given or taken. No, it is taught, learned and earned.
Because much like the path to enlightenment and nirvana, no one person’s road in life is exactly the same as another’s. As such, it’s up to we, ourselves to each walk down our own journey. To find our own path to nirvana, to limitless power, to eternal paradise, and to enlightenment.
I’ve been called.
It makes sense if you can’t tell someone anything that they Learnt after they become one with the force
Could it be as simple as something like Vader knows this information and when Anakin comes back some Sith secrets are lost to a Jedi? Or at least obfuscated?
The answer to your video's title: because the episode 9 writers didn't think of that. C'mon, you thought they knew anything about Canon. Chris Terrio never even saw star wars until he was hired to write the script.
i like to think of it like the ancients from stargate.
Love this!
because it wasn't in the script
So the force ghost are just have Dr. Manhattan's perception of time?
i love alex’s positivity but man nothing will ever justify the idea of palpatines return and the final order. i dont even know if dave filoni can do it, and it looks like hes gonna try
Anakin: Palpatine will return.
Luke: How?
Anakin: Somehow
I like the headcanon, but the only problem I have with it, is if Anakin told Luke about Exegol and the existence of the Final Order, why not *start* with "Hey, there are two wayfinders that'll take you right there, and one of them is in my old castle" as opposed to telling him to search for Ochi?
As someone who loves TROS (and the ST as a whole), I admit, this is one of the bigger things that bothers me
Agreed. Do you suppose he didn't want to put Luke through a trip to Mustafar if there was an easier way to get the information? I imagine Vader's Castle is just saturated with the dark side, and we don't know what kind of traumatic flashbacks Luke would have walking around the area where his mom almost died and Obi-Wan nearly killed his father.
Anakin just kina forgot about the final order fleet
My thought was, dumb story point is dumb
The vader arc about exagol was so painful to read.. Soule is trying really hard to fix the plot holes from the sequels..
I would say expect that same thing in some future Star Wars media as well
We all know the sequels desperately need it lol
Charles Soule has nothing to do with the 2020 Darth Vader run.
Hmmmm...maybe Force Ghosts want more Force Ghost friends.
I still feel like it would have been helpful to know about it. Lol
I still think the palatine and final order thing was a cop out. They provided us with an answer that does kinda fit the canon but it still destroys the fact that anakin brought balance to the force.
Awesome
But Anakin DID tell Luke.
…From a certain point of view.
Another hypothetical in the same vein would be, why didn't Qui-Gon's ghost tell anyone about the Death Star?
You know this whole thing should've been explained in ROS
All this because people made creative decisions and peoe have to back fill stories make up new ones and then all of a sudden not everything makes sense and you gotta make up dumber reasons why things exist. Despite Lucas' questionable decisions I wish one person just stayed in charge
I'll save everyone some time: Bad writing.
I’m sorry but this still doesn’t add up. If Anakin and all the other Force Ghosts had known everything was going to happen and didn’t interfere with affairs…then why did Obiwan appear in Empire Strikes Back? What was the point if he knew there was no stopping Luke?? Let’s just face it, they barely knew what they wanted to do with the movie and mashed it up into this goliath mess.
Perhaps it's more of that "setting Luke on his journey" type of thing
If you want to accept that that's your choice
@@StarNameKev I’ll kindly decline lmao
Kind of a sinister thing to set up your next generation to fail, not just unprofessional, but dangerous path to set Luke on, definitely not the way of the Jedi.
@@darthzoon26 Ya Cause Force Ghosts are not typical Jedi lol. They are part of the Force itself
In the end Luke didn't fail tho did he?
He saved his father and impacted the next generation of Jedi. I'd say that's a job well done.
Sure he lost his hand, his father's lightsaber and his world was turned upside-down, but from a story perspective and a life perspective he needed to fail so he could succeed
Does that make sense?
@@StarNameKev Luke already went through that stage in his story. As the man himself, Mark, said “that would almost be like taking three movies to tell how James Bond got his license to kill. And then it’s over. no Doctor, no Goldfinger, no From Russia With Love. I was joking, really, but it did occur to me that he went from a farmboy, then from a trainee to a Jedi. And yet, then it’s over, and there’s no tales of his exploits as a Jedi. So, it was nice to have a rare look at what he would be doing prior to establishing the Jedi Academy, but post Jedi.” Luke already went through his character arc, he’s already proven himself as a character, and is now the galactic idol to be looked up to, not down.
Some of these comments are giving me cancer
That thumbnail though....
Also, stop being butthurt, people. TROS wasn't a great movie, but that's all.
That's why it doesn't need to be explained. It only makes it even more confusing. Just call it a plot hole and move on.
@@damandelorean but it isn't a plot hole. Have you watched the video you're commenting on?
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because fear
The main reason is because it didn't exist.
So basically the Jedi ghosts are to Star Wars the same way the Eagles are to Lord of the Rings?
Anakin could have told Luke just before he died. He would have wanted Luke to be safe from a revived Sidious. The only way I can imagine him not telling Luke immediately is if he thought telling him wouldn’t help anyway, which *is* possible though.
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This is why I don't consider the arc canon, it doesn't make sense
I mean it’s not like he could have said much about the secrets of Exegol. After he saved Luke from the emperor, his life support system was heavily damaged and knew he would soon die. So he chose in his final moments to see his son for the first time in his own eyes.
Mate, did you forget when Anakin's force ghost. He popped up along side Yoda and Obi-wan, so he has a chance to tell the OT heroes what's up.
@@grayski3324 like the video says, he likely did..
@@grayski3324 the whole point of this video is, who’s to say he didn’t? Even if he didn’t tell him on Endor, there’s a big chunk of time that’s (mostly) unexplored between the end of RoTJ and the sequel trilogy. There’s plenty of opportunities for Anakin to have come to Luke in that time period and told him about Exegol.
It's still wack that the Audience has to write this story for Lucasfilm since it's so badshit without us using our own headcanon to make sense of it.
@@grayski3324 why didn't Qui Gon tell Yoda Palpatine was the Sith Lord?
He didnt because sequels arent canon
A Sith Lord, never truely trusts their apprentice, especially after Sidious betrayed his master and had designs to achieve immortality (which would be ruined by his apprentice betraying him, which he did)
Darkside use of the force, clouds their activities and movements from the light side.
When the Jedi were at their peak, a single Sith Lord manage to hide the true intention of obtaining power, ravage the whole galaxy with a two sided war, keep the Jedi at bay and busy for a whole war, plan the design of a planet killer, and start plan to strip mine Ilum, and plan their execution at the hand of their closest allies the clone troopers... so hiding the next phase of his plan would be as simple.
Lin-e-ur
This title is click bait. Its assumed by the title that this is the official reason as to why he wasn't told by Anakin, not your personal headcanon. Title should say Why I Think.. I know I clicked on this expecting the official answer, I'm sure others did as well.
Seeing Star Wars trying to justify ROS hurts
Anakin is also super bad at communicating
Because the sequel trilogy is not cannon
Because nothing about the Sequel Trilogy actually matters, that's why he didn't tell him!
Shut up
@@wwb16 people like you complain about the sequel trilogy apparently breaking canon when you probably love legends which has WAY more stupid things and contradictions
@@wwb16 and you refuse to critique legends in any way even though it’s a mess of mismanagement
@@omarbaba9892 Legends was fine because everyone knew from the start that it was a take it or leave it kinda thing but the Sequel Trilogy violated the main rule of storytelling 1. Have a point.
Finally, someone using their imagination.