TTI Inc is a Hong Kong based company that owns Milwaukee, Ridgid and Ryobi. Just like Stanley Black & Decker owns DeWalt, Mac tools, Irwin and proto, etc.
Consumers are not supposed to b pissed if Milwaukee gets away with many customer buy product on misleading info, but we are not supposed to pissed at them for giving us this info?
This is perhaps your best video. Constructively speaking this video was amazingly technical. The video was short, succinct, and to the point. You went into an unexplored realm of tools stuff (breakaway) that nobody else has, and provided great research. The thermal imaging was over the top. Bravo!
Once again, your video is so methodical, so scientific, you make other tool reviews look silly. One possible downside is the testing is somewhat one dimensional, that is, the tests are conducted on tool output only. No testing for, say durability,etc. No complaints from me, as I am basing my decision on the tool's capability. I expect them all to be reasonably durable, comfortable, etc. Once again, GREAT job.
Companies do the same with electric tools. When they say 1 horsepower, they really mean the tool draws 746 watts from your electrical outlet but the tool really makes 3/4 horsepower. The remaining horsepower is heat blown out the cooling slots. As far as impacts are concerned, I've always taken nut busting (dynamic) torque verses working torque the way you demonstrate. Because I most often use an impact for tear down and rarely for tightening or snugging a fastener down for that matter, it's the kind of number that means something to me. If it takes 30 seconds for the dynamic torque to break a fastener free, I'm cool with that.
I love the way you test these things. I can never get a straight answer from anyone on "nutbusting torque", most just say that its the first burst of an impact when you pull the trigger. So glad I got and answer on it. Thanks!
I realizing I'm adding this comment about 2.5 years after you published this video - but it's excellent, as are all your others I've watched so far. You really add a level of thoughtful methodology and analysis that's incredibly rare across the field of those who publish reviews and "tests" of various tools. I really appreciate this. I landed here tonight as I continue to round out my tools collection. I've got a few Ryobi One+ tools (brushed, from a combo set I got about 4 years ago) and have made extensive use of them. I hesitated going to a second battery system, but when I needed a good double bevel sliding compound miter, I snagged a great deal on a Maxita 36v LXT X2 saw that's brilliant -- no regrets, and I just added their rear-handle 7-1/4" 36v LXT X2 circular saw as well -- also excellent. So - I've had two battery / tool ecosystems (One+ and LXT), and will stick within those for the foreseeable future. After reading numerous reviews and trying different impact drivers, I just got a Makita XDT16z, and it's fantastic. But now as I consider adding an impact wrench for bigger loads, the choices get muddier. And THAT is why I wound up here. Tools like Makita's XWT11 impact wrench don't - on paper at least - look that much more powerful than the XDT16 impact driver. Their XWT08 is a lot more powerful at 740+ ft lbs -- but it's also 5 lbs heavier, and I'm not sure I'll ever really need that level of torque. Most likely the more challenging uses of an impact driver / wrench will be putting in 1/2" lag screws, LedgerLok's, through-bolts, etc. when rebuilding my deck and tackling similar work. Ryobi's most powerful impact wrench (one of two I think?) is claimed to put out 300 ft lbs - and it's a 4 or 5 year old brushed model, and is bigger and clunkier than the XWT11. Makita's "mid torque" models are 5 year old designs that are also big and clunky it seems. Unfortunately for me, it currently looks like the most eligible "mid torque" lightweight impact wrenches come from DeWalt, or from Ridgid (they just released a nice one that's light, and is rated at 450 ft lbs I believe). In the end, I'm trying to decide: 1) if the XWT11 adds meaningful torque beyond what the XDT16 puts out, and 2) whether the XWT11 is sufficient, or if it really does make more sense to deal with the bigger, heavier, XST08. If you're read this far - thanks! Long winded, but now you know what I'm trying to work out. Any thoughts on this most appreciated. Thanks!
I don't think this debunked the marketing numbers as others have suggested. I get that the bolt was warm, but it was torqued to 1100 ft-lb while warm, and removed while warm. It did in fact remove a 1100 ft-lb nut. And you nearly achieved the 1100 ft-lb fastening torque in previous testing with the be reverse threaded nut. The numbers seemed to have been proven by your testing. Great video, and your reviews are among the best!
Real Tool Reviews agreed, I have never come across a newly lubed bolt I couldn't get off! lol. However, the nut busting torque does.provive some relative scale of the tools performance. A horror freight tool for example rated at 300 ft-lb vs. the Milwaukee rated at 1100 still tells you the Milwaukee has nearly 4 times the torque. And in a real life application the Milwaukee is about 4 times more likely to be able get that stubborn nut off.
I almost never comment on videos, but thank you so much for videos like this one: I'm someone who appreciates the science involved and the practical explanations.
as a son of a man who's been working on cars longer than I've been alive. His advice for getting stuck or rusted bolts off is heat which I can't say doesn't work. but my understanding of physics has also taught me that heat causes matter to expand. meaning heat should cause cause a nut to expand around the threads of a bolt causing higher pressure. just my abstract thinking. but another great video. reminds me why I've been subscribed for as long as I have!
I am glad you said "immediately". Because removal torque is actually more than installation torque over time. This is not just temperature, but also corrosion and deformation of bolt/nut into each other under stress. This is how the situation most people encounter.
I agree.....that is specifically why I explained it that way. Thanks for pointing it out --- yes, for MOST fasteners, removal torque is almost always more than installation torque.
Thanks for posting this. You are doing a great service for consumers. Harbor Freight almost got me with that breakaway torque on their new Bauer corded impact.
Your testing methods are truly a work of true science separating facts v. fiction under 12 minutes video. Mr. they are so beautiful in fact that almost make me cry. A job was well done, A + Rating for this video
i know i have criticised your methods in the past, but i have to admit, you certainly test things properly and when i want a "proper" review on a product, i ALWAYS go to your page to see if you have tested it, in my books, your no.1 for reviews, keep up the great work !!!!!
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a video of you performing DYNAMIC TORQUE rating test on the Ingersoll w7150. I just purchased one with (2) 5.0ah battery. Please do a comparison video with the new results. Dynamic torque Ingersoll Rand w7150 : ?? Makita XWT08 : ?? Snap On CT8850 : 526 ft lbs fwd, 486 ft lbs reverse Dewalt DCF899 : 411 ft lbs fwd, 418 ft lbs reverse Milwaukee M18 FUEL 2763 : 421 ft lbs fwd, 415 ft lbs reverse
Agreed. A guy in a technical dept of one of the good quality impact wrench companies told me I should just get one of these because you have to have a really good/expensive air compressor to get their guns to work well. I bought a small HVAC oxy-acetylene set up at Lowes also for the bolts these don't take out. I live in a northern snow rust climate and this Milwaukee has done the job on rusted brakes bolts, struts, and the torch worked for the few that it hasn't (maybe three).
Very good video! I want one. I've noticed when I use my air driven impact gun I can get more torque out of it if I hold it loosely with one hand. It seems if you hold it tight or with two hands, your body absorbs some of the torque.
Very informative! I know this video is a littler old now but still relevant. I was debating between a Stubby with 250 ft lbs of torque or a mid torque with 600 ft lbs of torque and decided that since this tool will be for DIY car projects I want the more powerful gun to help me remove those bigger and tougher bolts like in suspensions. The Stubby looks awesome but my concern is that the advertised torque won't mean anything once I try to remove a rusted suspension bolt. Thanks!
great video. Just bought the MATCO impact, rated at 1300ft lbs nut busting torque. I was more focused on the 700 is rated for continuous. Figured there was smoke and mirrors behind the fancy wording and now I know.
I've had the same snap on impact gun for 8 years now and used daily. Wouldn't turn back unless I get ahold of an old school snapon gun. Hits way harder for removing nuts and bolts.
I once did a noob mistake and overtightened lug bolts on a car with the same Milwaukee impact by hammering each about 2-3 seconds. I immediately realized I've made a mistake and tried to loosen them with the impact. They did not even budge!! I had to use a 3 foot breaker bar to loosen them, and stripped the head of one bolt in the process. I have little faith now in the Milwaukee impact for anything serious.
Paul Friend, I'm not bad mouthing anything. I was just surprised it was unable to loosen the same bolt it tightened just moments ago. Moreover, a 3 foot long breaker bar which probably put out 300 ft-lbs torque tops got it off.
That doesnt make sense, impact wrenches always deliver higher torque in reverse, most probably you damaged the bolt and it got stuck; I actually did the same thing with my Milwaukee 2763 and the result was the nut stripped a little
You’ve invested so much to deliver these videos to us. Why are you not producing videos regularly anymore? 3,4,5 and even 8,9 months between videos now. You are my personal favorite on YT and probably the best on this platform. Please please get back to doing videos sir. 👍🏻
This is a phenomenal video. I've never seen this "marketing hype" described and properly characterized. You did it. I'm wondering, does your test setup have any type of analog voltage output ? It would be informative to record that information on a digital storage oscilloscope to see the torque change dynamically as the impactor slaps against the stops. Again, excellent video. Educational. Informative. And highly entertaining. A+.
Great video on showing what the industry terms are really saying. My only gripe, I think it would have been good to show the Milwaukee loosen the nut once it cooled down to see if it could do it or not.
Why go through all this EXCELLENT testing yet not try removing the nut when it's completely cooled off as a final test? That would absolutely legitimize this video beyond what it already is...heck, you even mention you have doubts it could happen at the end of the video. Missed opportunity to have this all in the same video. Truths like this hurt companies and will get you blacklisted from receiving free gear. Fakers like "tools in action" would never do something like this other than the typical 'slap on the wrist' comment about something they don't like about a product. Great job!
+xXG.L.HXx I cannot leave the skidmore "loaded" under extreme pressures for extended periods of time, or it will damage it. The gauge & hydraulic seals are only designed for temporary pressure for long-term reliability of the unit. I'm glad that you liked the vid....I try to do the best that I can.
That may damage his precision machine. That said the impact wrench should still be able to remove the nut or bolt, however, it would take a longer time if it was cooled down as the nut or bolt will heat up as you impact it.
I found your channel by chance. I just had to say after watching a few of your videos, you put together some very good quality videos. Your camera angles and resolution are great. Audio quality is nice and fairly level and not too extreme to one end or the other. On top of that you talk nice and clearly so you are very understandable. On top of that you appear very knowledgeable and confident on your topics. Very well done sir. Best of luck to you and, thank you for some of your knowledge.
Love how you break this down and though I don't think I will ever have to deal with a bolt at the rating you used.... I"d have to search to find out what bolt could possibly ever be on that tight that is not part of a massive engineering marvel...
Simple. This is a hydraulic test unit & the manufacturer specifically states that you cannot leave it under load for long term or it can damage the unit. I am not damaging my test unit in order to appease the small minority who don’t like the test methods.
Dude, throw the science out for a second. Can the other impact wrenches remove that nut? I think you are OVER thinking this. The Milwaukee did something i don't think other brands could do. I may be wrong, but I think you are missing a huge point here. I would now buy the Milwaukee based on what you just showed us. Even if it can't remove a cold 1100 lbs, it sure showed some brute force.
Some manufacturers exaggerate WAY more than others.....for example, every single tool that Milwaukee makes - is the #1 best/life changing/magical tool that has ever been created! Don’t believe me? Just ask them! 😂 The point of this video was to expose a marketing lie. Certain manufacturers don’t lie constantly.....such as RIDGID or Chicago Pneumatic. When they advertise a spec, the tool actually performs. Other manufacturers look at their competitors.....then add 5-10% more to the advertised specs & claim they are superior. It’s lying.... plain and simple.
@@RealToolReviews I really appreciate you getting back. I just found your channel and in looking it over, noticed you don't post much lately (videos). I was hoping you didn't go away. If you need to buy a good impact wrench reasonably priced, which would you buy? I am in the market and don't want to buy something to be sorry about.
Nice video. I noticed your 2c Idaho plate in the background. Idahos plates are identified by an abbreviation such as 1a 2c etc. The one you own is 2c which is Caribou county Idaho. Northwest of boise around the Oregon border. Just thought you maybe had wondered. I live in Idaho. Your welcome and thanks for the great videos
I never believe corporate hype and always wondered how they got those figures. Now I know thanks to you. With that said I still like the convenience of my cordless impact drivers and wrenches.
Thanks very much for all your videos. I would love it if you could review some 3/8" 18v electric impact wrenches in the future. Perhaps test their torque output. Milwaukee, dewalt, etc.
If you hit a scale with 10m/s velocity it can record a maximum weight (force) achieved, say 100kg. However, if you hit a steel block sideways at the same 10m/s with the hammer and you want to slide it on the floor, the generated force will be much higher than 100kg even something like 10.000kg and it depends on the hardness of the materials (steel) and the masses of the hammer and the steel block. That’s because F=ma, so if the hammer stops quickly (when the objects are massive and tough they do) the (de)acceleration (g factor)will be higher. With a granite rock, the force will be even higher. This case is equivalent to a rotating mass). Therefore, a higher grade steel sockets will tighten or remove the nut slightly better, and something soft (even if it doesn’t get damaged) will yield a smaller value. The mass of the block the nut is mounted on is also important. Then also the value you measure with the digital torque meter is smaller than the real value. So it seems hard to rate the wrenches but I think they did it well enough. How would you rate it?
That was very interesting. I questioned the breaking loose torque of my Kobalt 24 volt 1/2" impact wrench. Now I know how loosening torque can be higher than tightening torque. If you would have not shown me, I would not have believed it. Which means, I did not believe what Kobalt was telling me in the specs. Barry G. Kery
I bought the 2767 wich outputs 1400 lb-ft of torque and i have a mac air impact also advertised 1400 lb-ft, it was not a scientific test but with a m16 bolt and nut, it was quite similar, both in tightning and loosening but the mac had the advantage of speed.
Decent review and testing. I brought the mid torque to work on my van etc and today found it could not undo the bolts to the road wheels torqued to 160nm when cold. But the day I got it, I undone them, but I had been on an hours drive so I guess like you say it has more ability when the nuts are warm. Disappointing from a gun that claimed 610nm on the box 📦🤔
I have this impact. I love it. I laugh when I think that Milwaukee thinks that we actually believe this wrench can output 1800lb ft of torque. I find that anecdotal evidence that is probably in a controlled environment. I will say that if you don’t have a good hold on the 1” gun you are gonna break your wrists. They both have a lot of power but it’s hard to see those numbers.
I have the Milwaukee 1400 lb model and no way is it that strong. If it was I would not need a 3/4 drive impact. I torqued a lug nut to 800 lb and it broke it lose but struggled. I can tighten them to about 500-550lbs but it was not consistent.
That hydraulic torque gauge gadget is neat, but bolt tension is not a very good way to measure an impact... Go try and remove a semi wheel torqued to 550 ft lbs with any cordless impact, not gonna happen. Most bolts requiring over 400 ft lbs are big and require a big heavy (impact) socket, which dramatically reduces the sharpness of the impact
Good stuff, but this is perfect for what I need. I trusted the overrated specs on a 1/2" ryobi and I couldn't remove a single lug on my honda. Set up a return and coughed up money for a 2767 and a 5ah battey, cost me double of the ryobi but I'd say it's worth it.
Hi that is very interesting. Could you please post a video of the nut tightened down to 1100 foot pounds and let it sit and cool back down to its normal temperature and see how the Milwaukee does. I think a lot of people would like to see that thank you
Great video. Technical, informative and no filler. Saw a few more of your videos. It's hard to find a good, unbiased tool review. You my friend got a subscriber.
The BIG Lie? Ever seen rusted bolts? They take more torque to remove then the amount of torque that was applied to them before they rusted. What ever term you want to call it, the impact was able to remove a nut that was torque to 1100 foot pounds. Real life is working on equipment if it will remove a rusty nut that it would take 1100 foot pounds or more applied by a 6 foot or longer breaker bar then it works. most mechanics don't care about F1 F2 R1 R2 ratings I don't really care much about forward torque only removal torque. I don't torque lug nuts with an impact but I do remove them and run them on with one.
What about harmonics? if you hit the right frequency freeing rusted nuts and bolts might be easier, or cause the materials to vibrate and thus reduce torque required.
With all that In mind, can we assume that all manufacturers will use similar testing to get the max numbers out of their tool. So in theory, the figures may not be realistic but we can still judge which tool is more powerful?
I'm just curious after explaining and demonstrating this throughly why wouldn't you show us if it could or couldn't remove the nut after it cooled? I see you proved your point but again would've been interesting to see after it cooled. Thanks for the video.
Need a review of the Milwaukee 2863 Onekey....The Onekey settings are confusing & they don't tell you what each setting means in terms of torque. (I understand each socket/extension/bolt/nut combo changes things... but they don't even attempt to provide a baseline)
85-90 degrees is extremely hot? Versus 72. A parked car in summer time would have a lot more heat than that. At least in southwest US. It seems like there should be a standard torque standard as far as temp goes. Like barometric pressure has.
Could you please test the Harbor Freight 20V Max Lithium 1/2 in. Cordless Xtreme Torque Impact Wrench? It claims 1200 ft. lbs of torque. I knew they would fabricate tests that would give them the "max" number possible but would like real world torque numbers to compare with your other tools you tested.
Very informative video! I am looking into getting my own pneumatic impact and have come across this term but their number didn't add up. Because of you I know why.
I enjoyed the video but you failed to mention the effect of diminished tensile strength via the repeated use of a fastener. The more you use a fastener at full torque it’s tensile strength diminishes and subsequent uses will result in a lower tensile strength which can make it easier to loosen and easier to break. Fasteners are graded such as Grade 5 Grade 8 and NASCAR uses a top grade called Bowmalloy.. I sold this kinda stuff when I worked B2B sales and New Business Development with Barnes disturbution years ago and we had the Corp contract for NASCAR and Bush Cup series teams. I personally use the Dewalt Impact Wrench, I’ve yet to find a bolt it won’t loosen. Crank pulley bolts come off like butter. Good video tho!
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This guy knows what he is torquing about.
Hahaha nice :)
Genius!
This is the most research about "Nut Busting" I've ever seen!
I'm 12
my most research of nut busting I've done was when I was a kid and my foot slipped off the bike pedal....lol
LOL. SO TRUE. *tears*
the most research ive had with "nut busting" involved a skateboard and a rail.....
Busting nuts makes you feel so good😋 but it feels even better when you're doing it with powerful tool
I'm 11 so stfu. Meme
This is going to piss off some marketing VP at Milwaukee! Appreciate the honesty!
David Mm marketing people deserve to be pissed off. Bill hicks said it best.
TTI Inc is a Hong Kong based company that owns Milwaukee, Ridgid and Ryobi. Just like Stanley Black & Decker owns DeWalt, Mac tools, Irwin and proto, etc.
Consumers are not supposed to b pissed if Milwaukee gets away with many customer buy product on misleading info, but we are not supposed to pissed at them for giving us this info?
This is perhaps your best video. Constructively speaking this video was amazingly technical. The video was short, succinct, and to the point. You went into an unexplored realm of tools stuff (breakaway) that nobody else has, and provided great research. The thermal imaging was over the top. Bravo!
I'm always trying to improve.....moving into facts & removing opinions......I am glad you liked it! Thanks Jon!
Hey I went and bought that milwaukee impact wrench from watching one of your video. Best investment I ever made. Thanks.
For a damn sure Milwaukee would never explain their torque rating the way you just did, And thank god for the real tool reviews channel.
I'm so tired of "marketing wank". I'm also glad there's guys like you out there.
Once again, your video is so methodical, so scientific, you make other tool reviews look silly. One possible downside is the testing is somewhat one dimensional, that is, the tests are conducted on tool output only. No testing for, say durability,etc.
No complaints from me, as I am basing my decision on the tool's capability. I expect them all to be reasonably durable, comfortable, etc.
Once again, GREAT job.
Companies do the same with electric tools. When they say 1 horsepower, they really mean the tool draws 746 watts from your electrical outlet but the tool really makes 3/4 horsepower. The remaining horsepower is heat blown out the cooling slots. As far as impacts are concerned, I've always taken nut busting (dynamic) torque verses working torque the way you demonstrate. Because I most often use an impact for tear down and rarely for tightening or snugging a fastener down for that matter, it's the kind of number that means something to me. If it takes 30 seconds for the dynamic torque to break a fastener free, I'm cool with that.
This is very good explanation what is "torque busting", thanks
I love the way you test these things. I can never get a straight answer from anyone on "nutbusting torque", most just say that its the first burst of an impact when you pull the trigger. So glad I got and answer on it. Thanks!
Yeah....it is hard for people to repeat a lie, especially when no one knows what the lie really means ;). Glad I could help!
I realizing I'm adding this comment about 2.5 years after you published this video - but it's excellent, as are all your others I've watched so far. You really add a level of thoughtful methodology and analysis that's incredibly rare across the field of those who publish reviews and "tests" of various tools. I really appreciate this. I landed here tonight as I continue to round out my tools collection. I've got a few Ryobi One+ tools (brushed, from a combo set I got about 4 years ago) and have made extensive use of them. I hesitated going to a second battery system, but when I needed a good double bevel sliding compound miter, I snagged a great deal on a Maxita 36v LXT X2 saw that's brilliant -- no regrets, and I just added their rear-handle 7-1/4" 36v LXT X2 circular saw as well -- also excellent. So - I've had two battery / tool ecosystems (One+ and LXT), and will stick within those for the foreseeable future.
After reading numerous reviews and trying different impact drivers, I just got a Makita XDT16z, and it's fantastic. But now as I consider adding an impact wrench for bigger loads, the choices get muddier. And THAT is why I wound up here. Tools like Makita's XWT11 impact wrench don't - on paper at least - look that much more powerful than the XDT16 impact driver. Their XWT08 is a lot more powerful at 740+ ft lbs -- but it's also 5 lbs heavier, and I'm not sure I'll ever really need that level of torque. Most likely the more challenging uses of an impact driver / wrench will be putting in 1/2" lag screws, LedgerLok's, through-bolts, etc. when rebuilding my deck and tackling similar work. Ryobi's most powerful impact wrench (one of two I think?) is claimed to put out 300 ft lbs - and it's a 4 or 5 year old brushed model, and is bigger and clunkier than the XWT11. Makita's "mid torque" models are 5 year old designs that are also big and clunky it seems. Unfortunately for me, it currently looks like the most eligible "mid torque" lightweight impact wrenches come from DeWalt, or from Ridgid (they just released a nice one that's light, and is rated at 450 ft lbs I believe).
In the end, I'm trying to decide: 1) if the XWT11 adds meaningful torque beyond what the XDT16 puts out, and 2) whether the XWT11 is sufficient, or if it really does make more sense to deal with the bigger, heavier, XST08.
If you're read this far - thanks! Long winded, but now you know what I'm trying to work out. Any thoughts on this most appreciated. Thanks!
I don't think this debunked the marketing numbers as others have suggested. I get that the bolt was warm, but it was torqued to 1100 ft-lb while warm, and removed while warm. It did in fact remove a 1100 ft-lb nut. And you nearly achieved the 1100 ft-lb fastening torque in previous testing with the be reverse threaded nut. The numbers seemed to have been proven by your testing. Great video, and your reviews are among the best!
Thanks! The point was to show the deceptiveness of marketing claims.....in real life the "Nut Busting" torque specs are 100% worthless.
Real Tool Reviews agreed, I have never come across a newly lubed bolt I couldn't get off! lol. However, the nut busting torque does.provive some relative scale of the tools performance. A horror freight tool for example rated at 300 ft-lb vs. the Milwaukee rated at 1100 still tells you the Milwaukee has nearly 4 times the torque. And in a real life application the Milwaukee is about 4 times more likely to be able get that stubborn nut off.
Jon just purchased the millwauki red lithium ion half inch impact gun...Thanks for the info you just broke my heart.....
I almost never comment on videos, but thank you so much for videos like this one: I'm someone who appreciates the science involved and the practical explanations.
as a son of a man who's been working on cars longer than I've been alive. His advice for getting stuck or rusted bolts off is heat which I can't say doesn't work. but my understanding of physics has also taught me that heat causes matter to expand. meaning heat should cause cause a nut to expand around the threads of a bolt causing higher pressure. just my abstract thinking. but another great video. reminds me why I've been subscribed for as long as I have!
I am glad you said "immediately". Because removal torque is actually more than installation torque over time. This is not just temperature, but also corrosion and deformation of bolt/nut into each other under stress. This is how the situation most people encounter.
I agree.....that is specifically why I explained it that way. Thanks for pointing it out --- yes, for MOST fasteners, removal torque is almost always more than installation torque.
Real Tool Reviews Thank you for the data based analysis on these tools.
Thanks for posting this. You are doing a great service for consumers. Harbor Freight almost got me with that breakaway torque on their new Bauer corded impact.
What'd you end up going with?
Your testing methods are truly a work of true science separating facts v. fiction under 12 minutes video. Mr. they are so beautiful in fact that almost make me cry. A job was well done, A + Rating for this video
i know i have criticised your methods in the past, but i have to admit, you certainly test things properly and when i want a "proper" review on a product, i ALWAYS go to your page to see if you have tested it, in my books, your no.1 for reviews, keep up the great work !!!!!
Factual and explained in an educational way so even people who doesn´t speak english as their first language,will understand. -Nice work!!
I've looked everywhere, I cannot find a video of you performing DYNAMIC TORQUE rating test on the Ingersoll w7150. I just purchased one with (2) 5.0ah battery. Please do a comparison video with the new results.
Dynamic torque
Ingersoll Rand w7150 : ??
Makita XWT08 : ??
Snap On CT8850 : 526 ft lbs fwd, 486 ft lbs reverse
Dewalt DCF899 : 411 ft lbs fwd, 418 ft lbs reverse
Milwaukee M18 FUEL 2763 : 421 ft lbs fwd, 415 ft lbs reverse
Nice info, but still love the 2763. Having come across a lugnut i couldn't get off, or a rusted CV bolt.
I've got the same one 2763 I couldn't agree with you more
joethecollector
Agreed. A guy in a technical dept of one of the good quality impact wrench companies told me I should just get one of these because you have to have a really good/expensive air compressor to get their guns to work well. I bought a small HVAC oxy-acetylene set up at Lowes also for the bolts these don't take out. I live in a northern snow rust climate and this Milwaukee has done the job on rusted brakes bolts, struts, and the torch worked for the few that it hasn't (maybe three).
Very good video! I want one. I've noticed when I use my air driven impact gun I can get more torque out of it if I hold it loosely with one hand. It seems if you hold it tight or with two hands, your body absorbs some of the torque.
Very informative! I know this video is a littler old now but still relevant. I was debating between a Stubby with 250 ft lbs of torque or a mid torque with 600 ft lbs of torque and decided that since this tool will be for DIY car projects I want the more powerful gun to help me remove those bigger and tougher bolts like in suspensions. The Stubby looks awesome but my concern is that the advertised torque won't mean anything once I try to remove a rusted suspension bolt. Thanks!
congratulations, you just won yourself a subscriber!!
Hot dog!
can you do the 2763 with the 9.0ah battery
Same here!
same here!
great video. Just bought the MATCO impact, rated at 1300ft lbs nut busting torque. I was more focused on the 700 is rated for continuous. Figured there was smoke and mirrors behind the fancy wording and now I know.
I've had the same snap on impact gun for 8 years now and used daily. Wouldn't turn back unless I get ahold of an old school snapon gun. Hits way harder for removing nuts and bolts.
I once did a noob mistake and overtightened lug bolts on a car with the same Milwaukee impact by hammering each about 2-3 seconds. I immediately realized I've made a mistake and tried to loosen them with the impact. They did not even budge!! I had to use a 3 foot breaker bar to loosen them, and stripped the head of one bolt in the process. I have little faith now in the Milwaukee impact for anything serious.
so it worked too good and got it to tight and you are bad mouthing it?
I believe what he's getting at is your reverse torque should ALWAYS be higher then your forward torque for that exact reason.
Paul Friend, I'm not bad mouthing anything. I was just surprised it was unable to loosen the same bolt it tightened just moments ago. Moreover, a 3 foot long breaker bar which probably put out 300 ft-lbs torque tops got it off.
That doesnt make sense, impact wrenches always deliver higher torque in reverse, most probably you damaged the bolt and it got stuck; I actually did the same thing with my Milwaukee 2763 and the result was the nut stripped a little
You’ve invested so much to deliver these videos to us. Why are you not producing videos regularly anymore? 3,4,5 and even 8,9 months between videos now. You are my personal favorite on YT and probably the best on this platform. Please please get back to doing videos sir. 👍🏻
This is a phenomenal video. I've never seen this "marketing hype" described and properly characterized.
You did it.
I'm wondering, does your test setup have any type of analog voltage output ? It would be informative to record that information on a digital storage oscilloscope to see the torque change dynamically as the impactor slaps against the stops.
Again, excellent video. Educational. Informative. And highly entertaining.
A+.
He sounds like Sheldon Cooper's older brother.
Great video on showing what the industry terms are really saying. My only gripe, I think it would have been good to show the Milwaukee loosen the nut once it cooled down to see if it could do it or not.
Unfortunately you cannot leave a Skidmore under extreme pressure for long periods of time or the seals will prematurely fail.
Great insights into the tested tools, that are well presented. Thanks for your vids!
like the depth you went into with this video. learn something new everyday
Great presentation and explanation of the data.
Why go through all this EXCELLENT testing yet not try removing the nut when it's completely cooled off as a final test? That would absolutely legitimize this video beyond what it already is...heck, you even mention you have doubts it could happen at the end of the video. Missed opportunity to have this all in the same video. Truths like this hurt companies and will get you blacklisted from receiving free gear. Fakers like "tools in action" would never do something like this other than the typical 'slap on the wrist' comment about something they don't like about a product. Great job!
+xXG.L.HXx I cannot leave the skidmore "loaded" under extreme pressures for extended periods of time, or it will damage it. The gauge & hydraulic seals are only designed for temporary pressure for long-term reliability of the unit. I'm glad that you liked the vid....I try to do the best that I can.
The testing is excellent. But the whole matrix of test you propose is unreasonable. Go ahead and get your self a set of Skidmore wilhelm instruments
You can use some freeze spray to quickly cool it down.
That may damage his precision machine. That said the impact wrench should still be able to remove the nut or bolt, however, it would take a longer time if it was cooled down as the nut or bolt will heat up as you impact it.
xXG.L.HXx U Butt hurt or something.
I feel like I just took a class, a very good one.
A real eye opener for sure thanks for letting us all see the deceptive practices they institute.
I found your channel by chance. I just had to say after watching a few of your videos, you put together some very good quality videos. Your camera angles and resolution are great. Audio quality is nice and fairly level and not too extreme to one end or the other. On top of that you talk nice and clearly so you are very understandable. On top of that you appear very knowledgeable and confident on your topics. Very well done sir. Best of luck to you and, thank you for some of your knowledge.
I'm glad I found this channel
Fantastic video. You are my first choice for tool reviews.
Love how you break this down and though I don't think I will ever have to deal with a bolt at the rating you used.... I"d have to search to find out what bolt could possibly ever be on that tight that is not part of a massive engineering marvel...
Structural bolts (Bridges/Steel Buildings...)
...not exactly something us regular folks would be building in our back yard.... well maybe a tornado shelter or underground bunker =)
A fine video, but how did you NOT try the same with cold threads? That seems like a very obvious experiment to perform. Huh...?!
Simple. This is a hydraulic test unit & the manufacturer specifically states that you cannot leave it under load for long term or it can damage the unit. I am not damaging my test unit in order to appease the small minority who don’t like the test methods.
@@RealToolReviews you could run it the same time you did in the vid and note how nothing budged.
Just a few seconds with a torch and your cold bolt will be hot and ready to come off. Gee, where have I heard that before
You make a great job Daniel, thanks and congrats
Dude, throw the science out for a second. Can the other impact wrenches remove that nut? I think you are OVER thinking this. The Milwaukee did something i don't think other brands could do. I may be wrong, but I think you are missing a huge point here.
I would now buy the Milwaukee based on what you just showed us. Even if it can't remove a cold 1100 lbs, it sure showed some brute force.
Some manufacturers exaggerate WAY more than others.....for example, every single tool that Milwaukee makes - is the #1 best/life changing/magical tool that has ever been created! Don’t believe me? Just ask them! 😂
The point of this video was to expose a marketing lie.
Certain manufacturers don’t lie constantly.....such as RIDGID or Chicago Pneumatic. When they advertise a spec, the tool actually performs.
Other manufacturers look at their competitors.....then add 5-10% more to the advertised specs & claim they are superior. It’s lying.... plain and simple.
@@RealToolReviews I really appreciate you getting back. I just found your channel and in looking it over, noticed you don't post much lately (videos). I was hoping you didn't go away. If you need to buy a good impact wrench reasonably priced, which would you buy? I am in the market and don't want to buy something to be sorry about.
Nice video. I noticed your 2c Idaho plate in the background. Idahos plates are identified by an abbreviation such as 1a 2c etc. The one you own is 2c which is Caribou county Idaho. Northwest of boise around the Oregon border. Just thought you maybe had wondered. I live in Idaho. Your welcome and thanks for the great videos
I never believe corporate hype and always wondered how they got those figures. Now I know thanks to you. With that said I still like the convenience of my cordless impact drivers and wrenches.
They lie, that’s how they do it!
very educational RTR!
Thanks!
Thanks very much for all your videos. I would love it if you could review some 3/8" 18v electric impact wrenches in the future. Perhaps test their torque output. Milwaukee, dewalt, etc.
Very informative video , but i think milwaukee measured the torque using the 12 anp battery which gives you way much higher torque than the 5.0 can
Another Great Video. Thank you. You've demystify the marketing ploys out there. Measured numbers will tell the real story.
If you hit a scale with 10m/s velocity it can record a maximum weight (force) achieved, say 100kg. However, if you hit a steel block sideways at the same 10m/s with the hammer and you want to slide it on the floor, the generated force will be much higher than 100kg even something like 10.000kg and it depends on the hardness of the materials (steel) and the masses of the hammer and the steel block. That’s because F=ma, so if the hammer stops quickly (when the objects are massive and tough they do) the (de)acceleration (g factor)will be higher. With a granite rock, the force will be even higher. This case is equivalent to a rotating mass). Therefore, a higher grade steel sockets will tighten or remove the nut slightly better, and something soft (even if it doesn’t get damaged) will yield a smaller value. The mass of the block the nut is mounted on is also important. Then also the value you measure with the digital torque meter is smaller than the real value. So it seems hard to rate the wrenches but I think they did it well enough. How would you rate it?
That was very interesting. I questioned the breaking loose torque of my Kobalt 24 volt 1/2" impact wrench. Now I know how loosening torque can be higher than tightening torque. If you would have not shown me, I would not have believed it. Which means, I did not believe what Kobalt was telling me in the specs.
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You're great man! Very good technical videos!!!!
I bought the 2767 wich outputs 1400 lb-ft of torque and i have a mac air impact also advertised 1400 lb-ft, it was not a scientific test but with a m16 bolt and nut, it was quite similar, both in tightning and loosening but the mac had the advantage of speed.
Milwaukee Tool marketers are legends in their own minds....
Decent review and testing. I brought the mid torque to work on my van etc and today found it could not undo the bolts to the road wheels torqued to 160nm when cold. But the day I got it, I undone them, but I had been on an hours drive so I guess like you say it has more ability when the nuts are warm. Disappointing from a gun that claimed 610nm on the box 📦🤔
Thanks for the great video and explanation on how they get these numbers.
Glad you liked it Kevin...thanks!
I have this impact. I love it. I laugh when I think that Milwaukee thinks that we actually believe this wrench can output 1800lb ft of torque. I find that anecdotal evidence that is probably in a controlled environment. I will say that if you don’t have a good hold on the 1” gun you are gonna break your wrists. They both have a lot of power but it’s hard to see those numbers.
Love your anti-bullshit and investigative approach. Subbed!
Great Info mate! Very methodical!
Great Vid! I sure would like to see this M18 1/2" against the Kobalt 24V max 1/2" or at least a similar vid on the Kobalt
I have the Milwaukee 1400 lb model and no way is it that strong. If it was I would not need a 3/4 drive impact. I torqued a lug nut to 800 lb and it broke it lose but struggled. I can tighten them to about 500-550lbs but it was not consistent.
cant wait to see the dynamic torque on the rest of those guns!
thanks for dispelling the myths
That hydraulic torque gauge gadget is neat, but bolt tension is not a very good way to measure an impact...
Go try and remove a semi wheel torqued to 550 ft lbs with any cordless impact, not gonna happen.
Most bolts requiring over 400 ft lbs are big and require a big heavy (impact) socket, which dramatically reduces the sharpness of the impact
What impact gun do you use?
And a commercial from dewalt highlighting their cordless "nut busting" torque tools plays before the video. Hahaha classic. Great video brother.
Haha nice :)
Good stuff, but this is perfect for what I need. I trusted the overrated specs on a 1/2" ryobi and I couldn't remove a single lug on my honda. Set up a return and coughed up money for a 2767 and a 5ah battey, cost me double of the ryobi but I'd say it's worth it.
Hi that is very interesting. Could you please post a video of the nut tightened down to 1100 foot pounds and let it sit and cool back down to its normal temperature and see how the Milwaukee does. I think a lot of people would like to see that thank you
Great video. Technical, informative and no filler. Saw a few more of your videos. It's hard to find a good, unbiased tool review.
You my friend got a subscriber.
I never calculated the actual measurement, but my ex-wife was a huge nut buster too.
Nice video, thanks
Very impressive and informative review. I've always enjoyed your videos but they just keep getting better.
I like how finally someone is using xt from harbor fra. I wanna buy one now 3/4 I'm going to needs a good adaoter
The 3/4" XT is a beast.....absolutely worth the $250 price tag!
thanks for the info, please keep them coming,, this was really great.
This is one of many reasons I'm subscriber (all other reasons are all your other videos)!
Not that I'm not smart enough to not already know what exactly is breakaway number claim.
Great video. Do you have a list to compare every wrench you have tested side by side? Is there one that stands out? The new metabos look promising.
super job. my grand pap always says hot nuts come off easier. so heat them nuts up first. thats nut busting torque.
Another great video! Thanks for explaining the marketing jargon.
The BIG Lie? Ever seen rusted bolts? They take more torque to remove then the amount of torque that was applied to them before they rusted. What ever term you want to call it, the impact was able to remove a nut that was torque to 1100 foot pounds. Real life is working on equipment if it will remove a rusty nut that it would take 1100 foot pounds or more applied by a 6 foot or longer breaker bar then it works. most mechanics don't care about F1 F2 R1 R2 ratings I don't really care much about forward torque only removal torque. I don't torque lug nuts with an impact but I do remove them and run them on with one.
Hey Real Tool Reveiws miss you making videos!
More coming soon....stay tuned!
as usual....so much good info in your videos....lots of details....thanks
best tool review channel
Great review. Thanks for your time and effort.
What about harmonics? if you hit the right frequency freeing rusted nuts and bolts might be easier, or cause the materials to vibrate and thus reduce torque required.
The Milwaukee impacts do what the specs say .
With all that In mind, can we assume that all manufacturers will use similar testing to get the max numbers out of their tool. So in theory, the figures may not be realistic but we can still judge which tool is more powerful?
Chicago Pneumatic is the most realistic when it comes to torque specs. M7 is the #1 BSer....Milwaukee is #2
Thank you! Excellent video.
I'm just curious after explaining and demonstrating this throughly why wouldn't you show us if it could or couldn't remove the nut after it cooled? I see you proved your point but again would've been interesting to see after it cooled. Thanks for the video.
The test unit is a hydraulic load cell..... it cannot remain under pressure for extended periods of time (per manufacturer) or will suffer damage.
Excellent Testing info....!
Need a review of the Milwaukee 2863 Onekey....The Onekey settings are confusing & they don't tell you what each setting means in terms of torque. (I understand each socket/extension/bolt/nut combo changes things... but they don't even attempt to provide a baseline)
Please test the Snap on CT8850, I own it and the Milwaukee Fuel and they both seem even in real world use.
This was like Mr wizard with tools. I wonder if they have the old mr wizard on TH-cam.
85-90 degrees is extremely hot? Versus 72. A parked car in summer time would have a lot more heat than that. At least in southwest US. It seems like there should be a standard torque standard as far as temp goes. Like barometric pressure has.
Could you please test the Harbor Freight 20V Max Lithium 1/2 in. Cordless Xtreme Torque Impact Wrench? It claims 1200 ft. lbs of torque. I knew they would fabricate tests that would give them the "max" number possible but would like real world torque numbers to compare with your other tools you tested.
thanks for the testing. You cant get the tool trucks to admit what the actual torque is on their impacts anymore. Thanks!
Dude! Another great video! Thank you for this one!
I was wondering about the required torque for removing the nut that was tightened up to 1100ft lbs. Is it still around this value 1100?
your a real professional.... thanks for the explanation
Very informative video! I am looking into getting my own pneumatic impact and have come across this term but their number didn't add up. Because of you I know why.
Glad to help!
I enjoyed the video but you failed to mention the effect of diminished tensile strength via the repeated use of a fastener. The more you use a fastener at full torque it’s tensile strength diminishes and subsequent uses will result in a lower tensile strength which can make it easier to loosen and easier to break. Fasteners are graded such as Grade 5 Grade 8 and NASCAR uses a top grade called Bowmalloy.. I sold this kinda stuff when I worked B2B sales and New Business Development with Barnes disturbution years ago and we had the Corp contract for NASCAR and Bush Cup series teams. I personally use the Dewalt Impact Wrench, I’ve yet to find a bolt it won’t loosen. Crank pulley bolts come off like butter. Good video tho!
I limit most explanations to what the average person can understand.