IS ACRYLIC GOUACHE THE SAME AS MATTE ACRYLIC PAINT? Comparing Jo Sonja and Turner Acryl

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  • @ArynCrinn
    @ArynCrinn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    At the basic chemical level, there's not a whole lot of difference between acrylic paint and acrylic gouache. The differences between the exact formulas are about as varied as you get between the 5 different ranges of professional grade acrylic paints made by Golden (Heavy Body, OPEN, SoFlat, Fluid, High Flow). Generally speaking, acrylic gouaches are acrylic paints made to look/feel more like traditional gouache, just without the rewetting ability, so they will tend to be thinner/less viscous, more opaque, and with a matter finish, compared to 'regular' acrylic paints.
    Oddly enough, the Jo Sonja Matte Acrylics were previously labelled as "Artist's Gouache." It seems in the past decade or so, they decided to market more towards decorative painters who might think that a "gouache" would only work on paper. Even the low price point is comparable to other "decorative" acrylic paints, e.g. "FolkArt".
    Also, I found pigment information for both ranges. That Turner Rose Pink is PW6 (Titanium White) with a fluorescent pink dye, while the Jo Sonja Brilliant Magenta is a mix of PW6 and PR122 (Quinacridone Magenta). The Brilliant Magenta never stood a chance of looking as vibrant (at least until the Rose Pink fades)... There's even a chance that Rose Pink may glow under a blacklight.

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the Jo Sonja background. I was wondering about that. I'd seen videos of people using tube with the words "Artist's Gouache" on them but couldn't find them anywhere. It makes more sense now, even though they were not gouache to start with.
      At the basic chemical level, gouache and watercolor are basically the same, yet, they are different. There are always some more or less noticeable differences between all those mediums and I think it's important to experience them, try them out to see why they are given different names.

  • @divinepf
    @divinepf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm so glad you did this video because I've always wondered the difference

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm so glad I could help. Thank you for stopping by.

  • @stevekobb3850
    @stevekobb3850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for posting this comparison. Really helpful!

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're very welcome. I wish I had picked other colors for a better review, but it was fun.
      I'm currently trying out the Golden SoFlat matte acrylic to see how they compare with acrylic gouache. Have you tried them?

  • @ninafairyart
    @ninafairyart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovely video, and very good to know. I really enjoyed watching you paint with these!

  • @fardeensaifi3001
    @fardeensaifi3001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's a helpful comparison.

  • @SkywalkFPV
    @SkywalkFPV 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting! Do you have any thoughts between Turner Acrylic Gouache vs Nicker Poster colors?

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry for the late answer. They are two different mediums. The acrylic gouache doesn't reactivate when dry. Poster color does. It's more like regular gouache, just a bit more liquid. If I had to choose, it would depend on where I live. In the US for instance, it's easier to find the acrylic gouache, and cheaper too. In other countries, the poster color is easier to find and cheaper. Other than that, I like the experience of using both as I can use different techniques.

  • @erikaleighart
    @erikaleighart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have heard the same thing you said about the Liquitex acrylic gouache - that it is a misnomer and is really just acrylic. I think I heard it on the TH-cam video from Jerry’s? I have been curious about the Jo Sonja product, in general. And it’s interesting in particular to see an artist’s perspective on how matte acrylic stacks up to acrylic gouache. Thank you for sharing your insight and your experience this comparison! Have a great day!

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I did see the video you mentioned and Mike, from Jerry's Artarama, actually does a demonstration to try and show why he thinks they aren't really like the Turner Acryl gouache. Very interesting.
      I'm impressed by the Jo Sonja paint. The reason why, in general, I like acrylic gouache more than acrylic paint is that they are more opaque. But it seems to me (although I didn't have a large amount of colors to test) like the Jo Sonja matte acrylic paint is pretty opaque as well and they have a lovely line of colors. The pigment payload is nice and according to the company most of them are very lightfast. They have the advantage of drying matte if that's what you like. I think they are great overall.

    • @FionaJeanGordon
      @FionaJeanGordon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sandrinesgallery I’ve used the Jo Sonja Matte acrylic for 33 years, I love them. When I first started using them, they were labeled as acrylic gouache, then they changed to acrylic artists colours, then eventually matte flow acrylic. I spoke to the man that owns the company once, and he told me that they are basically an acrylic gouache but were relabelled for marketing purposes.

  • @chaddesrosiers1107
    @chaddesrosiers1107 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know this is a few years old now. I think essentially they are the same thing. The difference is the same difference you see in all Japanese paint imo. Japanese paint always seems to be more opaque. The Japanese paint mfgs seem to favor ultimate opacity... where as the western mfgs seem to prefer single pigment mixes and are ok with semi transparent and even fully transparent colors.
    You see the same difference even in designers gouache. Holbein and the other Japanese brands offer 100% opaque lineups. Where as say a western brand like M graham actually have completely transparent pigments in their lineup.
    This can be an advantage in some regards and obviously a draw back in others. (for sure its one more thing to think about) With the non Japanese brands I think you simply really have to understand which pigments your using. In this case you used their Brilliant Magenta... which is PR122 (quinacridone magenta) mixed with PW6 (Titanium white). It may be counterintuitive but I believe your results would have been closer to the turner if you instead used their Transparent Magenta which is just a pure PR122.... which you could then mix yourself with Titanium white, allowing you to get a hue/opacity closer to what you wanted. (Maybe I could be wrong) :)

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree, the Japanese paints offer greater opacity in general. That's why I like them so much.

    • @chaddesrosiers1107
      @chaddesrosiers1107 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sandrinesgallery It really does translate well in gouache. I always find myself love hating different brands of Japanese watercolor. The textures and varying degrees of opacity are always interesting and yet sometimes unwanted. With traditional gouache I like MGs paints as I generally paint a less illustration type style and I like to use initial stains and washes. When I do want to do a illustration type work though Holbein is my go to. :)

    • @JordanHunter333
      @JordanHunter333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am such a beginner in playing and creating with art supplies, and have actually not tried Gouache as yet. Still, I have a different experience in observing the comparison, and a clear favorite. Watching the two paintings in process, it seemed that the Turner Acryl Gouache (TAC) laid down more easily (I perceived something in the texture that allowed this). Also, that the pigment load of the TAC seemed to make it easier to achieve a more compelling and vibrant result. Finally, and again, this is purely an opinion and perhaps my preference for realism, the TAC result felt more natural, shadows more realistic, the jacket more palpable as fabric. I've been watching reviews and comparisons of TAC with other paints, and Turner is really standing out as a favorite. Thanks so much, Sandrine. And chadderosiers as well...loved thinking about your observations, helped me understand my own. Great video, love the comments.

  • @gabbywilliamson76
    @gabbywilliamson76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing

  • @TanyaElbournArt
    @TanyaElbournArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great review!

  • @GingahSnapsArt
    @GingahSnapsArt ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They're all functionally the same (though names and quality vary!)
    Matte acrylic has the upper hand over (glossy acrylic + matte acrylic medium/varnish) in that it'll be the most vibrant color possible.
    I.e. matte varnish/acrylic added to glossy acrylic paints will dull down their colors. (Much like gloss medium/varnish make colors pop more).
    I personally love matte acrylics in general 😍

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was wondering about the matte acrylic medium. Thank you for the tip.

    • @GingahSnapsArt
      @GingahSnapsArt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Sandrinesgallery of course!

  • @babsninja1755
    @babsninja1755 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Acrylic gauche IS matte acrylic
    In acrylic paint the binder is acrylic polymer and acrylic gauche the binder is acrylic polymer
    what makes paint is the combination of pigment and a binder, the different binder used makes the different categories of paint. (E.g egg = tempra, acrylic polymer = acrylic, casein = milk protein, oil = linseed oil.) for some of the paints like watercolour and I think oil (I’m pretty sure different types of oil are used) can have different binders like synthetic glycol or honey some times but traditionally in most cases it is gum Arabic. Now the some under binder for watercolour is used in gouache because is just opaque watercolour the different results come from the pigments are prepared ( how milled the are)
    I think the confusion comes from the order of the words combined like acrylic gauche to me infers that it has an acrylic quality but it still fundamentally gauche where as if it where the other way around I would think it is an acrylic paint that has a quality of gauche but is still acrylic ( if that makes sense)
    Also I think the paint companies just sell it as ‘acrylic gauche’ so they can use the typical gauche sized tubes with them instead of labelling It an acrylic because the expectation would be a bigger tube (because you can’t rewet acrylic just like you can’t rewet acrylic gauche unlike with water colour and gauche which come in smaller tubes you can keep reactivating the paint)
    I also find that when is labelled acrylic gauche it is in a smaller tube AND MORE EXPENSIVE then what is the same paint in much larger tube that is less expensive 😬🤔🙄🙃😩
    I hope this all made sense, I’m writing this all from memory so if any one has and corrections let me know. 🥰

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I tend to agree with most of what you said. However, I think there are some contradictions. That said, I'm not a professional supplies/paint maker so I don't know for certain. This is all from my experience with various mediums and brands.
      Like you said, the main difference between types of paints is the binder used to keep the pigments together. however, I think that some formulations might make a difference.
      For instance, like you mentioned, some watercolors use gum arabic, and some use honey as a binder. They are still both called watercolor. They virtually look and feel the same, with some minor differences.
      Watercolor and gouache both use gum arabic, but the formulation isn't the same as (like you said too) the pigments are much finer with watercolors, which gives them a more transparent quality than gouache, which are very opaque. When using them you don't have the same results. Yes, you can dilute gouache to make it more transparent, but it will never be quite the same as using watercolors, and vice versa with the opacity. Therefore, even though they have the same binder, they are not called the same because they are not the same medium.
      As far as acrylic paint and acrylic gouache is concerned, in my opininon (with my very limited experience of these two mediums), I believe it's the same idea. They both have the same binder, but the formulation is different. I still think that in general acrylic gouache in more opaque than acrylic paint, and they dry matte rather than shiny (except for a few brands that have introduced matte acrylic recently). Therefore they are two different mediums, very similar, just like gouache and watercolor, but different nonetheless. And when doing the two paintings in the video, it didn't feel the same using the two kinds of paint. The acrylic gouache was much closer to using regular gouache, mostly in texture and opacity, and the matte acrylic reminded me of regular acrylic, especially the sticky feel when it starts drying.
      In any case, that's the way it feels to me when using all these mediums.

    • @minalyn2
      @minalyn2 ปีที่แล้ว

      opaque, matte acrylic paint. is acrylic gouache paint

  • @dekeractart
    @dekeractart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I just prefer matt varnish :)

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you like using acrylic paint but like a matte finish, a matte varnish is a great option.

    • @serenityjewel
      @serenityjewel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This. I don't even understand the point of buying acrylic gouache. It's a matte medium added to acrylic paint, which you can do yourself, or you can just use a matte varnish. People like complexity I think.

    • @vincentmonet6172
      @vincentmonet6172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because the pigment load can be higher , for some reason

    • @loati94
      @loati94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@serenityjewel I asure you it hasn't got the same feeling. Matte acrylics or acrylics with matte medium feel like acrylics, but are matte. Acrylic gouache feels like gouache, but doesn't reactivate. Acrylics just don't have that same velvety feeling gouache does. Maybe it's just because of the way the pigments are milled or something but there's that.

    • @eBookHoarder
      @eBookHoarder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like my acrylics matte too. I also like acrylic gouache.

  • @PursuingHeaven
    @PursuingHeaven 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Both the regular and acrylic gouache have a toothy chalky finish that you can build on with other media like pencil but matte acrylic has a more slick and tacky finish. This is a big difference for me because I work in mixed media. I like to create a toned or gradient acrylic gouache fixed surface to work on as an underlayer and then block in my detail elements with a Caran d'Ache Aquarelle watercolor pencil. Then finally the designer gouache top layer. I can not draw on matte acrylic, it is too slick and tacky.

    • @rnkim2564
      @rnkim2564 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks. this was so helpful as ive been considering WHY I would want to try acryla holbein gouche in those expensive little tiny tubes... I keep asking other painters because I already use transparent watercolors or regular body acrylics when I want washy and opaque more built up layers and effects...and you just clarified my understanding that no one else did... my watercolors may lift if I use them as a washy base and if I use acrylics without excessive water, they're too impermeable to allow layering on top of colored pencil etc, which I also use too. I appreciate the difference now and was looking for that one comment of someone who actually knew what they were talking about past a review video of something they were just trying out for the first time. appreciated❤

  • @chrom0xide123
    @chrom0xide123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh yes, the liquitex acrylic gouache is disappointing. I think they wanted to jump on the bandwagon because of the trend of acrylic gouache in social media. But they did a product without testing the Japanese ones.
    But maybe the Japanese brands are just better quality with higher pigment load. And a classical student grade or softbody acrylics doesn’t have the same effect.
    I read the schmincke academy gouache has also a type of acrylic binder, but the mixture is still watersoluble after drying. (It is much harder to get it liquid again, but it works). I wouldn‘t call it acrylic gouache either, but it has it‘s own effect

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wouldn't be surprised. Often companies are quick to come out with new products just to take the opportunity of a new trend.
      As far as the Schmincke brand is concerned, I haven't tried any of their products because they are sooooo expensive. But I'm sure they are all great quality. I've never heard anything negative about them.

    • @Anonymoi
      @Anonymoi ปีที่แล้ว

      Japanese brands such as Holbein are known for their opacity in both gouache and watercolor. Consistent opacity is not a required characteristic of gouache although it is a prized characteristic for a “designer” gouache intended for reproduction. Opacity differs by pigment. Some fine arts manufacturers intentionally let the opacity of the particular pigment show while others intentionally formulate products to have very consistent opacity. This is the case with both acrylic gouache and “regular” gouache. Liquitex is a top brand of acrylic paint, and in fact the original manufacturer of acrylic paint. It’s not a lesser brand. I think in the end comparing two products is just that, comparing two products. Unfortunately you can’t really make a blanket statement about the difference between matte acrylic paint and acrylic gouache based on this comparison. But in the end, it’s all about what performance and effect you want to get in your own art, and which products, of the ones you’ve been able to try, achieve that for you.

    • @chrom0xide123
      @chrom0xide123 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Anonymoi i am nor sure if I understand you correctly (english is not my mothertongue), but I don‘t think liquitex is in general bad. But if a company sells a product called „acrylic gouache“, a name japanese brands came up first, then this new product is instantly compared with the japanese brands.
      I think if liquitex just named their product „matte acrylics“, it would be fine. It feels and behaves like acrylics, so you don‘t expect anything else.
      It is not just the pigments and opacity alone: the paint layer of a japanese acrylic gouache looks and feels more like a gouache than like an acrylic paint.
      If you would test it without knowing what it is, you would think it is a gouache paint.
      But not with the liquitex acrylic gouache, as the paint layer looks different.
      I own other types of acrylic paints of liquitex, they aren‘t making bad stuff. I also purchased more of their „acrylic gouache“ after I tested the first set of it. And I want to mix them with other matte acrylics like the ones from sennelier.

  • @NaomiCoutureArt
    @NaomiCoutureArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great comparison, after getting a few Holbein acrylic gouache in one of my art subscriptions I have wanted to try more. I was actually just going to try the Liquitex acrylic gouache, but maybe I'll get more of the Holbein or try the Turner ones as you seem to really like them.

    • @Sandrinesgallery
      @Sandrinesgallery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you, Naomi. If you'd like to try out the Turner Acryl, I just found out that Jerry's Artarama has a sample set of 6 11ml tubes for just under $9. Great deal! I just ordered one for a friend. (5th listing down)
      www.jerrysartarama.com/turner-acryl-gouache-sets

    • @NaomiCoutureArt
      @NaomiCoutureArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Sandrinesgallery Oh thank you for letting me know, I'm checking it out now! I couldn't find them on Delta Art where I usually shop.

  • @debbiedrawsfunny
    @debbiedrawsfunny ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for this comparison- super helpful!!!