For me elden ring is the closest thing to morrowind I've ever gotten. Morrowind was the first time I ever experienced this style of mythology. I've loved it since then. Basically it's like if what we knew today was mixed with ancient theology.
I always thought that by "restoring the primeval current" she just meant restoring that line of study started by azur. I also think she is very arrogant and that her transformation was a accidental. she underestimated the dangers of what she was dealing with and met the fate of several others just like her. i don't think rennala transformed her at all. I don't think rennala is even aware that sellen is "assuming control" of lucaria. I think she only care about her little egg and "rebirthing". there is a chance though, that someone else is kind of luring and trapping arrogant sorcerers like her into "seeds of stars"... but that would ve azur or whatever is using him as a medium
Surprised you didn't mention the fact you take out Sellen's "soul" in the form of her Primal Glintstone, to transport her into a different body. The description mentions "In essence, a primal glintstone is a sorcerer's soul." which begs the question of did the sourcerers submit or turn their souls to Glintstone (ember of the cosmos) or was it always Glintstone? The finale of her turning into a gravenmass though is definitely her biting more than she could chew, and the mass itself is her combined with other surcerers that tried to do the same, which is why you can get Luzat's and Azur's armor sets as they lie dead in their original locations.
It's implied that an old sorcerer or astrologer stabbed their hearts with a primal glintstone blade that absorbed their lifeforce. Becoming a primal glintstone with a soul in it in the procces. Now the souls being glintstone/transforming into glintstone I think that the answer is that glintstone is crystalised life energy. Most glintstone is as shown in founding rain of stars is crystalised remenants of star energy but as shown in the death princes staff and heretics staff you can make glintstone staffs out of crystalised amber or blood. So human life energy is blood glintstone and the erdtrees life energy is amber and the stars is glintstone. They are essentially the same thing with some differences and can under some conditions transform into each others.
The Primal glintstone blade talisman reads "The old sorcerers would slice open their hearts with these blades to imbue a primal glintstone with their soul, and thus did they die." So, their souls were not originally glintstone.
Great video as always! While I find the second idea about Glintstone's origin an interesting one to consider, I would like to posit one other possibility; it could be that Glintstone IS amber, but NOT amber from the Erdtree(s). We know for a fact that there is life in space/the abyss/beyond the stars, as Astel, the Elden Beast, the Fallingstar Beasts, and perhaps others are proof of this. I would argue based on that alone it's entirely possible that there are, in some form or another, other worlds they come from and by extension, other trees on those worlds. Now maybe not "trees" exactly like the Erdtree, it could be the Erdtree's chosen form is a result of the world it inhabits (which already had trees on it, perhaps as some kind of camouflage), but either way if the influence of the Greater Will (or some other outer god) exists on those worlds, they likely have some sort of Erdtree equivalent, which presumably produces (for lack of a better term) Space Amber. It's not a huge leap to then suggest the space amber reaches the lands between through the same manner that the Fallingstar Beasts and others do, giving rise to Glintstone comets which are, much like the beings that accompany them, residual elements of a different world.
Ok I know I've already written way too much text but I had to add one other thing on the topic of Graven Mages; in support of your idea of mages attempting to "create a lord," I think its super important to remember that before Radahn did his whole gravity shtick, the stars effectively CONTROLLED FATE, as destiny could be "read in the stars." And we know Graven Mages are an attempt to create a star out of sorcerers. If the current stars in the sky (which as far as we know are not alive) have that kind of power, imagine what a star made of sentient beings would be capable of achieving...
I like your idea but, the difference is i think the glintstone amber is more like the general source of power. Like a raw power source in space so beings like outergods/void born extract power from these stones
@@Asphyx12 That's also entirely possible! Going off that could it be that Erdtree amber is a more controlled version of this? It seems like the amber items we get all have "power" like glintstone, but each Erdtree amber piece is very specific about what it does (health, stamina, etc). So maybe as a result of the Greater Will the Erdtree is infused with this power but in a more limited capacity?
One of the most interesting details of Sorcery lore in the setting is what exactly it means for it to work like Sellen says, and what this says about Outer Gods. Long Story Short, magic in the ER world is about channeling some type of supernatural energy into a spell product, both Sorcery (=Glintstone and the Primeval Current itself) and Incantations (=the power of the Outer Gods of choice or something akin to it, like the Erdtree). In this context, basic Academy Sorcery uses Glintstone indeed, as Carian Sorcery does and all the others. Yet, there are also some spells which are different. The Moon spells of Rennala and Ranni are examples of such different spells, but we can't start from them. I'll talk about them below. The focus Is on the 3 Primeval Sorceries described as sich. These 3 spells are the result of some study into the Primeval Current above in the sky/space, 2 we obtain from transformed Sorcerers and 1 being the single most ancient spells of its tradition to exist, which may have been LITERALLY the start of Sorcery as it brought Glintstone into the world. From this, we understand that Primeval Sorceries don't use simply the Glintstone energy, but whatever the Current itself is. Beyond the clear effect studying that stuff had on these people, the implication of this magic coming from beyond the World the game takes place in but *NOT* being related to an Outer God is interesting. Why? Because the basic concept of the Primeval Sorceries isn't just that they changed those who developed them, but that they were developed in the first place. Nobody granted the Sorcerers this power, they took it for themselves. Essentially, Sorcery is about extracting the power from something by understanding its nature, while Incantations seem to come from accepting and following some set ideas and concepts. We see this again the Golden Order Incantations, which require high Int to cast, and which we know were produced as a result of Marika/Radagon attempt at understanding the deeper concepts of the Golden Order, being different from pure FTH Incantations. And this also goes back to the Moon, which may look like any of the referenced OG, but acts very differently from them. There is no Moon Incantations, just Sorceries. My point being, Sorcery and Incantations are clearly the same thing, but done not just through different methods, they are fundamentally different, and this tells us something about the Moon and Primeval Current. What this exactly is.... dunno. My take is that the Current is some kind of astral primordial soup, it's where Stars come from and where most Stars remain. Looking into it its like trying to see where gods and alien monsters come from, it's the "womb" from which beings like Astel and the Elden Beast came out. If then the Outer Gods are particularly powerful Stars that exist on a fully different level... well, we don't know shit baout their nature so there is no point in this side of the speculation.
Immensely insightful comment! I really don't have much to add at the moment, but I too am fascinated by the ability of sorcerers to harness power for themselves, independent from any known outer god influence, and develop an intellectual understanding of its mechanics, rather than understanding preset foundations and rules.
@@typalmer6850 Wanna hear another detail, about why I am fucking stupid? There is another big point which I managed to forget even if I did such a big wall of text. Some Sorceries use Faith, just like some Incantations use Intelligence. This means that 1) More support towards the idea that Magic in ER really does exist on an axis between two different methodologies 2) These Sorceries are all coming from strange traditions where some specific in-universe power is channeled. Death Sorceries? Death is often related with divine entities, like the God of the Deathbirds or whatever Godwyn has turned into. Magma Sorceries? They are based on "ancient hexes" that Rykard found. He used older magic, possibly Incantatins of a Fire God or a cult towards the Volcano/Snake itself, as basis for his creations. TL;DR: Some Incantations use INT because they require you to study and understand the logic they exist on, some Sorceriers use Faith because they rely on previous existing powers, they channel somthing else in a new way
Nice! What's interesting to me is that there is a portrait of Sellen without the helm above the door in the room Mass of Graven Sorcerers where you find the Azur Glintstone Staff, as if she's looking down on it. One of only two in the Academy. Foreshadowing?
I would like to argue that the distinction between Primeval and Primordial is more than surface level, and the key is one specific thing. The place where you finish Ranni's questline is called the Cathedral of Manus Celes. Manus, from Dark Souls 1, who became known as the Father of the Abyss after his grave was disturbed, is referred to as "primeval man" by Marvelous Chester. "Celes" indicates that he came from the stars. Comet Azur mentions both the primeval current AND the abyss. Interestingly, Manus' grave was dug up by people under the influence of a *Primordial* Serpent. Now, the Crucible Axe helm says: Holds the power of the crucible of life, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Given that the aspects of the crucible include a long tail, horns, and the ability to breathe fire, perhaps the possibility exists that the Primordial Crucible, and therefore the Erdtree, was once a dragon. The Elden Beast does breathe fire like one. We know that serpents are imperfect dragons, after all... And Placidusax, a dragon, was supposedly the first Elden Lord. Might seem a little out there, but give it some consideration.
I'd argue Manus Celes refers to the Two Fingers. The full latin in somewhat like sky hand, and there is a Two Fingers creature in the cathedral. The Two Fingers, as heralds of the Greater Will, are most likely just as outerworldly as the Greater Will and the Elden Beast themselves.
@@elias.t I don't even disagree; I just think the parallels are worth exploring, considering that when you attempt to cross the bridge to the Divine Tower of Leyndell, you are quite suddenly transported to the Abyss, which turns out to be related to where the Omen children are being sent to. There seems to be more than a surface level connection once you start putting things together. The origins of the Two Fingers are indeed mysterious, but perhaps their presence is something similar to the Deathroot faces we see on the Prince of Death talismans, the backs of some crabs, and possibly the lower level of Stormveil. The way Ranni's slain fingers sprout from the ground greatly resembles the Deathroot-like face below Stormveil as well. (Also, I want to point out that the Two Fingers on the divine towers have a woodlike texture, while Ranni's and the one in the Roundtable Hold are fleshy. Enia is also the only Finger Reader to have dark voids in her eyes. The rest are clearly overgrown empty sockets, but hers seem to be dark.) I also have my own extremely, extremely wild theory that the Two Fingers are related to the symbolic difference between 4-fingered and 5-fingered dragons in imperial Japanese art. The 5-fingered dragon was exclusively allowed to be worn and displayed by the emperor, under penalty of death. The difference between someone with 4 fingers on each hand and 5 fingers on each hand is... Two Fingers. So, they could have become a symbol of power if, say, a dragon used Rennala's power of rebirth to give themselves the imperial 5th finger as a symbol of their rule. But I don't expect that alone to necessarily convince anyone, lol.
It seems like the crucible refers to the Big Bang and the primeval current refers to the trajectory of the stars and cosmic stuff, free from outside interference or usurpation (such as from the Greater Will).
Minor caveat: I would need to look it up in-game to find it, though I have an idea of where this is (I think it's around the Albinauric's Rise, but like I said I need to double check), but another place you encounter the Graven Mage balls are in the lower snowy area. I recall them emerging from the ground when I went to reach for an item on the ground. Another thought that comes to mind though: The Elden Ring is composed of the same Amber that Rennala's Rune of the Unborn is comprised of. Something that recurs visually which I hadn't been able to place until now is when you go to meteor impact sites or deep underground within mines, you typically end up seeing a golden, amber-like material in the center of these impact sights (or in the case of the mines, covering the entire excavated floor). I think that same Space Amber is the same stuff the Elden Ring is composed of, but in an unrefined form. That then would explain why there are mines and people actively collecting this in the Lands Between: it's a resource, once that's known well and widely enough to be actively harvested in-game by NPC's. This would also mean that, if that same Amber is the initial state, and after its use, Crystals form, that both the power of the Elden Ring and the power of Sorcery comes from the same source. I recall you mentioning that Azur watched a star shatter. I believe what was supposed to be implied, was that the star was the initial Amber state, which then shattered into a Crystal form.
You're describing the Crucible as something that sounds cosmic in nature, like it was the thing that gave life to the entire universe. The way I interpret the Crucible is different: since its main manifestations are that of warriors and creature who mix various animal shapes like a mixture of all life on earth, I understood the Crucible as the thing that created life down on the planet where Elden Ring takes place, rather than some great cosmic origin of life. Now, the Crucible that came into existence on earth and evolved into the Erdtree, probably had cosmic origins. The name itself makes me think of the crater of a meteorite, that brought life to earth, likely sent by the Greater Will together with the Elden Beast and the Elden Ring, and according to Ordovis' Greatsword, the sword of a Crucible Knight, "primordial gold" is red in color and said to be close to life itself. So the Crucible was always golden like the Erdtree is? So the golden Erdtree amber is likely the product of the Crucible and the Erdtree, while Glintstone and the "amber of the cosmos" is the stuff of Stars, other sources of life probably alien to the Crucible and the plans of the Greater Will, which is probably why the Golden Order doesn't like the sorcerers' studies that much.
I always thought that space and space-related things were completely foreign to the Lands Between, which left confused about the true nature of the Elden Beast. Turns out that everything did originated from the One Great as mentioned by Hyetta. I'm also pretty sure that the God of the Age of Dragons was the One Great, and its disappearance is due to the One Great fracturing into smaller parts, the main fragments being the Greater Will (Order) and the Frenzied Flame (Chaos), represented by the Two and Three Fingers which were once part of a single five fingered hand. Perhaps this complete hand is the Manus Celes (celestial hand) revered by the original people who built the Cathedral of Manus Celes. Unrelated, but I do find it strange the Frenzied Flame ending is portrayed as a bad ending in Elden Ring. "When the world rots, we set it afire, for the sake of the next world. It's the one thing we do right, unlike those fools on the outside". Remember this quote? It's from that one Corvian NPC in the Painted World of Ariandel. Resetting the world seems more preferable than letting it continue to stagnate. I doubt Ranni's ending really did anything to fix the state of the world. Yes, people can no longer war against each other to edit the Elden Ring, but the world is still crap, and will continue to stagnate.
@@armandaneshjoo The point of the Frenzied Flame is to do a hard reset so that everything can flourish once again. Let's take our universe for example. Would you rather let the universe reach Heat Death where everything just stops and nothing happens forever, or would you rather Big Crunch the universe to make another Big Bang to restart everything again? Rot is unsustainable. Once everything is rotten, the rot dies off. Just like how a mold dies once the moldy bread is completely digested. In the end there's only unusable waste material left. Ranni's ending doesn't fix anything. She just sends the Elden Ring far away so that no one can edit the Elden Ring ever again. The world remains stagnant.
@@armandaneshjoo I'm talking hypotheticals here. The Big Crunch may not happen, due to the constant acceleration of the expansion of space. I'm just equating the Big Crunch to the Frenzied Flame ending, where you merge everything in the universe back into the singularity. And about the Heat Death, I don't think you understand it at all. The infinite expansion of the universe + the second law of thermodynamics = no heat. That means no chemical reactions, and therefore no life. The Scarlet Rot doesn't rot things away into soil. Look at the Lake of Rot. It turns everything into toxic waste material. And about Ranni, again, you're missing the point. Let me ask you this : what's the difference between Ranni's ending and the current state of affairs? - Greater Will : seals the Elden Ring inside the Erdtree for thousands of years - Ranni : seals the Elden Ring far away from anyone's reach The answer is nothing. People were free to build a new world when Marika disappeared. They just didn't.
@@armandaneshjoo Yeah, I'm going to need some sources on that supposed rejection. And rejected by who, exactly? The entire scientific community? Also, you're missing my point about thermodynamics. I guess I should've mentioned thermal equilibrium, and the infinite expansion of space results in particles not being able to maintain enough heat to move and interact with other particles. As for the Scarlet Rot, yes, it supports its own lifeform, at the expense of everything else. In this notion, the Frenzied Flame is better because while it ends all life indiscriminately, it also restarts the world so that new life can begin. That's how nature works. In cycles. And the rest is just your headcanon. The Elden Remembrance description reads : "It was the vassal beast of the Greater Will and living incarnation of the concept of Order". The Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame are opposing forces. Yin and Yang. Order/Stasis vs Change/Chaos. The Elden Beast is both the source of order and a way to control the order of the universe. The Golden Order is just the name of Marika's organized religion. That's why the Golden Order Greatsword mentions "tenets". And no, Ranni didn't destroy the Elden Ring. Where is your evidence for this? If anything, her ending dialogue says the opposite : she's literally going far away with the Order to prevent anyone from editing the Order ever again. If she destroyed the Elden Ring, there's no need for her to leave.
@@armandaneshjoo I've taken a look at the videos, and they only posit the possibility that the expansion of the universe might not be accelerating, and that the old cosmological model might be wrong. A lot of "might"s there. Also the paper is mostly ignored by the scientific community, and so it hasn't reach a broad consensus. I'd rather not accept it as fact, yet. But we digress. The world has finite resources. One cannot "grow" a cycle at the expense of nothing, which is what you're positing. At the start of the game, the Erdtree is now inert and devoid of blessing. The Primeval Current also needs "restoring", implying depletion as well. And again, this is another one of your headcanons. The Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame do not represent the "victory" of Chaos or Order. Nothing in the game supports this. And Ranni's ending doesn't balance all the elements of the world. Did you even read her dialogues? No item description or dialogue in the game alludes/equates the Golden Order to the selection of runes in the Elden Ring. Golden Order Seal, Golden Order Greatsword, and Golden Order Principia all tell the same thing : that the Golden Order is the religion. Editing the Elden Ring is it's own separate thing, without any terms attached. Evaporation does not necessarily mean death. Also you keep avoiding the core message of Ranni's story. This is the proper translation of her dialogue after finishing her questline : “About my order. My order will not be of gold, but of the stars and moon, and chill night. …I want to keep it far away from this land. …Even if life and souls are one with the order, it (the order) could be kept far away. If it was not possible to clearly see, feel, believe in, or touch the order… That would be better.” The implication here is that she can't destroy the Elden Ring, because the Elden Ring is the incarnation of Order itself. Her only course of action is to take it far away, beyond everyone's reach.
@@armandaneshjoo You forgot methodology. The very basis of the paper is declaring that the older methodology for determining the structure of the universe inaccurate. The paper needs more input from experts of the field to determine whether the paper's proposal is accurate or inaccurate. I'm no astrophysicist, and so until it receives proper recognition (like all the other scientific explanation that came before it), I'd refrain. The problem with your argument of "using less space" is that there is a hard physical limitation : Moore's Law. The progression is not infinite. Also, you can't make circuits smaller than the fundamental particles. That's in the realm of science fiction. What's your basis that the Erdtree's blessing is restored in these two endings? Their Mending Runes do not allude to any kind of restoration of blessings. Headcanon means what one believe to be canon, and not the actual canon. [ 1 ] Read the goddamn item descriptions. The Golden Order Greatsword specifically mentions : "forged by King Consort Radagon to proudly symbolize the tenets of the Golden Order". The definition of tenet : "a principle or belief, especially one of the main principles of a *religion* or philosophy." Second, Marika herself said : "O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order." By your logic, Radagon is a leal hound of the act of Editing of the Elden Ring. Tell me how that makes any sense. [ 2 ] The Golden Order did not exist before Marika removed the Rune of Death. Again, read the goddamn item descriptions. The Mending Rune of the Death Prince reads : "The Golden Order was created by confining Destined Death." And 2-1 to 2-4 are just baseless speculations. There are zero mention of the Two Fingers and the Erdtree "starving" due to lack of souls. You completely made that up. [ 3 ] The act of modifying the rules is not called the Golden Order. 3-1 - Wrong. The Frenzied Flame aims to merge everything back into the One Great. Read Hyetta's dialogue at the end of the Frenzied Flame questline. 3-2 - Wrong. This ending is called the Age of Fracture. If you watch this ending carefully, the Erdtree no longer has its signature golden glow. 3-3 - Unknown. The description of the Mending Rune of the Death Prince contradicts itself. It says death is restored, but also accepts those who live in death. So which is it? Also, you didn't exactly return the Rune of Death inside the Elden Ring. You just a small fragment of it. 3-4 - Wrong. Read the Mending Rune of Perfect Order's item description and Brother Corhyn's dialogues. [ 4 ] Yes, and? Yes, that's what I meant by Ranni's ending.
I feel like he’s a nephew who joined the army reserves and got called into active duty. And though we don’t get to talk much anymore, I do get his letters, in the form of these videos, and it feels like he’s home again. Though I pray for his speedy return, I know I live in a nation whose foundation is war and subjugation of weaker nations, so I’ve made peace that I may never see him again. Ya know?
So even with the age of the stars ending, we’ll still have a world with glinstone and elden spells. It’s just that the outer will and the fingers will no longer be able to reach us. We will live far from gods rather than them living among us. We will occasionally be unsure if what is in front of us is real or not.
The flavor text of Gideon Ofnir’s helm reads: “But when Gideon glimpsed into the will of Queen Marika, he shuddered in fear… At the end that should not be.” This could be a stretch but could it be that Marika’s “will” is related to the primeval current? It could be that after years of being shackles in the “golden order”, Marika was willing to release the destiny of the peoples in the lands in between into a dark and uncertain future.
11:00 I had a question: do you think that Marika/Radagon is ALSO made of stone, given the shattered statue appearance of 'their' body; if so, what implications would that have, especially when you consider none of their Empyrian or otherwise children had such a quality to their bodies?
I’ve recently watched your video game analysis videos and not 1, but 4 of these video games are among my personal favorite video games of all time. If you enjoyed playing magnum opuses like Xenogears, Silent Hill, Metal Gear, Undertale, Edith Finch and FFIX you will surely love making a video talking about the Ori series, they are timeless masterpieces and I highly recommend you to play them. I think you’ll love them! Especially the 2nd game.
Thas so cool about the dark souls areas in minecraft and also what a coincidence that today while i roamed tha altus plateu found a starlight amber key item.
I don't know jack shit about the Souls series, really, but I feel like I can trust videos coming from someone who consistently reiterates that science is motivating his analysis.
I like that in previous works, like in demon souls that there is Fire Magic, and in ds1 fire magic is a supposedly lost art with pyromancy taking its place with it being seen as barbaric in a way or at least distasteful to scholars. Then Miracles and sorcery are considered opposites forcing clerics and mages to despise each other, but it is interpreted by most people that miracles and sorcery are the same just different ways of expressing the same power but in the game world it would be heretical to suggest it. Then in ds2 they portray pyromancy as just fire sorcery since they are both taught in the magic academy in Melfia and pyromancy has its origins in sorcery while most miracles are now just legends with scholars refusing to even acknowledge them or the deities they are recounting. And now in Elden ring it comes full circle with Sorcery and Incantations using the same power of the cosmos just differing in what aspect they use.
About the almost inorganic azure sorcerers lore..you kill 2 of them in Sellenas quest and ends up absorbing them, well...Rennala probably ends up inheriting their knowledge to be honest...
Max, I've been thinking of this since your bloodborne video and I wanted to ask, what is the symbolism of blood? Not only in bloodborne the blood is sacred but in many religions and mythos.
It's not that difficult: blood = life. People long ago noticed that when you stab someone and all the blood comes out, they die. So blood was obviously important and tied to living. But it was also tied to hunting and killing, as you know, when you kill an animal, their blood gets just everywhere. And hunting and killing is a very primal, animalistic kind of thing.
to necro the comments, I don't think glintstone is spent golden amber, using the item description of Founding Rain of Stars, "The glimpse of the primeval current that the astrologer saw became real, and the stars' amber rained down on this land" I take this to mean that glintstone arises from the remnants of stars, and not from the crucible which became the Erdtree
Glintstone sorcery and the study therein has a kind of Lovecraftian horror to it. The mages and scholars of the Raya Lucaria Academy study it, and are clearly quite intelligent but as Lusat and Azur are two of the most extreme versions of the consequences of delving too deeply into that knowledge. Their bodies slowly became less organic and more crystalline, similar to glintstone itself. Likewise Sellen is also playing with metaphysical fire and that she turns into a horrible amalgam of flesh(?), stone, and glintstone tells me that there is indeed an inherent danger to the study of the stars.
I doubt glintstone is a defused form of the amber, I feel like the cosmos has multiple godlike beings, and the Greater Will's "power" is displayed as golden/yellow, whereas the moon/whatever-its-actual-name-is is blue/purple. the Greater Will has dominance over the land as it asserted itself very early on, but other types of god-power can still be accessed provided there's a source to draw from. that's my take on it. Glintstone is like Amber, but simply derived from another source of power. (I'm not saying glintstone isn't the same sort of thing as amber, just I'm using amber as shorthand to specify the golden amber via the greater will)
How can Renalla's amber egg be the Rune of the Unborn? I don't believe they are the same. When we defeat Renalla we take the great rune but she still has the egg. Is there a source claiming they are the same thing?
This is the description of the Rune of the Unborn: Amber egg clutched by Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon. Great Rune of unborn demigods. Perfects those who have been born anew. Children born anew by Rennala are all frail and short-lived. Imperfect beings, each and all… So it seems to me that the egg is what houses the rune during its activation. The rune is inextricably linked to the egg in that way, as it can’t be activated by a rune arc. The interesting bit of that description, though, is that Rennala was constantly birthing imperfect beings for some reason…was it because she had no access to larval tears?
@Relyks Netoow i did not know that O_O that is a great point. that leads me to believe that either demi-humans are inherently incapable of a perfect rebirth (since he did use a larval tear) OR (and more likely) the great rune is only in the tarnished’s possession and is the only way to perform a perfect rebirth. Perhaps Ranni was the one who separated the Great Rune from the egg, since it is only after you defeat the projection she conjured that you’re able to possess it. So maybe Rennala didn’t have access to the entirety of the Rune/Egg for whatever reason Ranni had.
You accidentally showed Lusat, while talking about Azur, and vice versa. Also, when showing the student of Lazuli, you showed them wearing traditional Raya Lucaria robes instead of Lazuli robes. Not bad for a character with 9 INT though. (LOL) Great video as always.
I wager glint stone is the neutral substance of cosmic magic while golden amber is refined substance that is more potent but specifically resonant with the Greater Will’s Grace.
Do you guys think the natural born of the void and the stars of darkness are Lusat and azure, sellen refers to tham as almost children of the star's and Both peered into the primeval current one saw darkness and the other saw Collapsing stars, could be Referencing the names , And they both seem to be mentally dead when you meet them, And Lusat looks like His head is turning into an eyeball just like stars of darkness. I don't know it hit me after finishing the quest for the first time back in March and I haven't seen anyone come to the same conclusion so I think I'm Wrong, but that's what I thought
Sellen actually shook my grounding. Her words rang my esoteric , actually masonic ears. Made me think about a lot of things, made my imagination fly about its influences. Sounds like an amalgamation of the way esoteric, magician , initiated people talk in real life and that made an impression on me. Was planning in making a video or essay about it but im no good with that.
I adore the style of fantasy in this game. I'd call it cosmic faith. Its an incredible blend of space and mythology.
The lore for Elden ring is on another level altogether, I haven't played yet I'm just fascinated with the world building 🤣
So theres a thing called "astrology" and you're gonna love it
For me elden ring is the closest thing to morrowind I've ever gotten. Morrowind was the first time I ever experienced this style of mythology. I've loved it since then.
Basically it's like if what we knew today was mixed with ancient theology.
I always thought that by "restoring the primeval current" she just meant restoring that line of study started by azur.
I also think she is very arrogant and that her transformation was a accidental. she underestimated the dangers of what she was dealing with and met the fate of several others just like her.
i don't think rennala transformed her at all. I don't think rennala is even aware that sellen is "assuming control" of lucaria. I think she only care about her little egg and "rebirthing".
there is a chance though, that someone else is kind of luring and trapping arrogant sorcerers like her into "seeds of stars"... but that would ve azur or whatever is using him as a medium
Surprised you didn't mention the fact you take out Sellen's "soul" in the form of her Primal Glintstone, to transport her into a different body.
The description mentions "In essence, a primal glintstone is a sorcerer's soul." which begs the question of did the sourcerers submit or turn their souls to Glintstone (ember of the cosmos) or was it always Glintstone?
The finale of her turning into a gravenmass though is definitely her biting more than she could chew, and the mass itself is her combined with other surcerers that tried to do the same, which is why you can get Luzat's and Azur's armor sets as they lie dead in their original locations.
It's implied that an old sorcerer or astrologer stabbed their hearts with a primal glintstone blade that absorbed their lifeforce. Becoming a primal glintstone with a soul in it in the procces. Now the souls being glintstone/transforming into glintstone I think that the answer is that glintstone is crystalised life energy. Most glintstone is as shown in founding rain of stars is crystalised remenants of star energy but as shown in the death princes staff and heretics staff you can make glintstone staffs out of crystalised amber or blood. So human life energy is blood glintstone and the erdtrees life energy is amber and the stars is glintstone. They are essentially the same thing with some differences and can under some conditions transform into each others.
The Primal glintstone blade talisman reads "The old sorcerers would slice open their hearts with these blades to imbue a primal glintstone with their soul, and thus did they die." So, their souls were not originally glintstone.
Great video as always! While I find the second idea about Glintstone's origin an interesting one to consider, I would like to posit one other possibility; it could be that Glintstone IS amber, but NOT amber from the Erdtree(s). We know for a fact that there is life in space/the abyss/beyond the stars, as Astel, the Elden Beast, the Fallingstar Beasts, and perhaps others are proof of this. I would argue based on that alone it's entirely possible that there are, in some form or another, other worlds they come from and by extension, other trees on those worlds. Now maybe not "trees" exactly like the Erdtree, it could be the Erdtree's chosen form is a result of the world it inhabits (which already had trees on it, perhaps as some kind of camouflage), but either way if the influence of the Greater Will (or some other outer god) exists on those worlds, they likely have some sort of Erdtree equivalent, which presumably produces (for lack of a better term) Space Amber. It's not a huge leap to then suggest the space amber reaches the lands between through the same manner that the Fallingstar Beasts and others do, giving rise to Glintstone comets which are, much like the beings that accompany them, residual elements of a different world.
Ok I know I've already written way too much text but I had to add one other thing on the topic of Graven Mages; in support of your idea of mages attempting to "create a lord," I think its super important to remember that before Radahn did his whole gravity shtick, the stars effectively CONTROLLED FATE, as destiny could be "read in the stars." And we know Graven Mages are an attempt to create a star out of sorcerers. If the current stars in the sky (which as far as we know are not alive) have that kind of power, imagine what a star made of sentient beings would be capable of achieving...
I like your idea but, the difference is i think the glintstone amber is more like the general source of power. Like a raw power source in space so beings like outergods/void born extract power from these stones
@@Asphyx12 That's also entirely possible! Going off that could it be that Erdtree amber is a more controlled version of this? It seems like the amber items we get all have "power" like glintstone, but each Erdtree amber piece is very specific about what it does (health, stamina, etc). So maybe as a result of the Greater Will the Erdtree is infused with this power but in a more limited capacity?
Always looking forward to your video's, Max.
I'm so glad the Souls series made such a good impression on you.
One of the most interesting details of Sorcery lore in the setting is what exactly it means for it to work like Sellen says, and what this says about Outer Gods.
Long Story Short, magic in the ER world is about channeling some type of supernatural energy into a spell product, both Sorcery (=Glintstone and the Primeval Current itself) and Incantations (=the power of the Outer Gods of choice or something akin to it, like the Erdtree).
In this context, basic Academy Sorcery uses Glintstone indeed, as Carian Sorcery does and all the others.
Yet, there are also some spells which are different.
The Moon spells of Rennala and Ranni are examples of such different spells, but we can't start from them. I'll talk about them below. The focus Is on the 3 Primeval Sorceries described as sich.
These 3 spells are the result of some study into the Primeval Current above in the sky/space, 2 we obtain from transformed Sorcerers and 1 being the single most ancient spells of its tradition to exist, which may have been LITERALLY the start of Sorcery as it brought Glintstone into the world.
From this, we understand that Primeval Sorceries don't use simply the Glintstone energy, but whatever the Current itself is.
Beyond the clear effect studying that stuff had on these people, the implication of this magic coming from beyond the World the game takes place in but *NOT* being related to an Outer God is interesting.
Why? Because the basic concept of the Primeval Sorceries isn't just that they changed those who developed them, but that they were developed in the first place. Nobody granted the Sorcerers this power, they took it for themselves.
Essentially, Sorcery is about extracting the power from something by understanding its nature, while Incantations seem to come from accepting and following some set ideas and concepts.
We see this again the Golden Order Incantations, which require high Int to cast, and which we know were produced as a result of Marika/Radagon attempt at understanding the deeper concepts of the Golden Order, being different from pure FTH Incantations.
And this also goes back to the Moon, which may look like any of the referenced OG, but acts very differently from them.
There is no Moon Incantations, just Sorceries.
My point being, Sorcery and Incantations are clearly the same thing, but done not just through different methods, they are fundamentally different, and this tells us something about the Moon and Primeval Current.
What this exactly is.... dunno.
My take is that the Current is some kind of astral primordial soup, it's where Stars come from and where most Stars remain. Looking into it its like trying to see where gods and alien monsters come from, it's the "womb" from which beings like Astel and the Elden Beast came out.
If then the Outer Gods are particularly powerful Stars that exist on a fully different level... well, we don't know shit baout their nature so there is no point in this side of the speculation.
Immensely insightful comment! I really don't have much to add at the moment, but I too am fascinated by the ability of sorcerers to harness power for themselves, independent from any known outer god influence, and develop an intellectual understanding of its mechanics, rather than understanding preset foundations and rules.
@@typalmer6850 Wanna hear another detail, about why I am fucking stupid?
There is another big point which I managed to forget even if I did such a big wall of text.
Some Sorceries use Faith, just like some Incantations use Intelligence.
This means that
1) More support towards the idea that Magic in ER really does exist on an axis between two different methodologies
2) These Sorceries are all coming from strange traditions where some specific in-universe power is channeled.
Death Sorceries? Death is often related with divine entities, like the God of the Deathbirds or whatever Godwyn has turned into.
Magma Sorceries? They are based on "ancient hexes" that Rykard found. He used older magic, possibly Incantatins of a Fire God or a cult towards the Volcano/Snake itself, as basis for his creations.
TL;DR: Some Incantations use INT because they require you to study and understand the logic they exist on, some Sorceriers use Faith because they rely on previous existing powers, they channel somthing else in a new way
Nice! What's interesting to me is that there is a portrait of Sellen without the helm above the door in the room Mass of Graven Sorcerers where you find the Azur Glintstone Staff, as if she's looking down on it. One of only two in the Academy. Foreshadowing?
Lusat and Azur were flipped around lol. Doesn't really change anything, just a very minor thing.
Yay! A new Max video!!!!
I would like to argue that the distinction between Primeval and Primordial is more than surface level, and the key is one specific thing. The place where you finish Ranni's questline is called the Cathedral of Manus Celes. Manus, from Dark Souls 1, who became known as the Father of the Abyss after his grave was disturbed, is referred to as "primeval man" by Marvelous Chester. "Celes" indicates that he came from the stars. Comet Azur mentions both the primeval current AND the abyss.
Interestingly, Manus' grave was dug up by people under the influence of a *Primordial* Serpent. Now, the Crucible Axe helm says: Holds the power of the crucible of life, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Given that the aspects of the crucible include a long tail, horns, and the ability to breathe fire, perhaps the possibility exists that the Primordial Crucible, and therefore the Erdtree, was once a dragon. The Elden Beast does breathe fire like one. We know that serpents are imperfect dragons, after all... And Placidusax, a dragon, was supposedly the first Elden Lord.
Might seem a little out there, but give it some consideration.
I'd argue Manus Celes refers to the Two Fingers. The full latin in somewhat like sky hand, and there is a Two Fingers creature in the cathedral. The Two Fingers, as heralds of the Greater Will, are most likely just as outerworldly as the Greater Will and the Elden Beast themselves.
@@elias.t I don't even disagree; I just think the parallels are worth exploring, considering that when you attempt to cross the bridge to the Divine Tower of Leyndell, you are quite suddenly transported to the Abyss, which turns out to be related to where the Omen children are being sent to. There seems to be more than a surface level connection once you start putting things together.
The origins of the Two Fingers are indeed mysterious, but perhaps their presence is something similar to the Deathroot faces we see on the Prince of Death talismans, the backs of some crabs, and possibly the lower level of Stormveil. The way Ranni's slain fingers sprout from the ground greatly resembles the Deathroot-like face below Stormveil as well. (Also, I want to point out that the Two Fingers on the divine towers have a woodlike texture, while Ranni's and the one in the Roundtable Hold are fleshy. Enia is also the only Finger Reader to have dark voids in her eyes. The rest are clearly overgrown empty sockets, but hers seem to be dark.)
I also have my own extremely, extremely wild theory that the Two Fingers are related to the symbolic difference between 4-fingered and 5-fingered dragons in imperial Japanese art. The 5-fingered dragon was exclusively allowed to be worn and displayed by the emperor, under penalty of death. The difference between someone with 4 fingers on each hand and 5 fingers on each hand is... Two Fingers. So, they could have become a symbol of power if, say, a dragon used Rennala's power of rebirth to give themselves the imperial 5th finger as a symbol of their rule. But I don't expect that alone to necessarily convince anyone, lol.
It seems like the crucible refers to the Big Bang and the primeval current refers to the trajectory of the stars and cosmic stuff, free from outside interference or usurpation (such as from the Greater Will).
Minor caveat: I would need to look it up in-game to find it, though I have an idea of where this is (I think it's around the Albinauric's Rise, but like I said I need to double check), but another place you encounter the Graven Mage balls are in the lower snowy area. I recall them emerging from the ground when I went to reach for an item on the ground.
Another thought that comes to mind though:
The Elden Ring is composed of the same Amber that Rennala's Rune of the Unborn is comprised of. Something that recurs visually which I hadn't been able to place until now is when you go to meteor impact sites or deep underground within mines, you typically end up seeing a golden, amber-like material in the center of these impact sights (or in the case of the mines, covering the entire excavated floor). I think that same Space Amber is the same stuff the Elden Ring is composed of, but in an unrefined form. That then would explain why there are mines and people actively collecting this in the Lands Between: it's a resource, once that's known well and widely enough to be actively harvested in-game by NPC's.
This would also mean that, if that same Amber is the initial state, and after its use, Crystals form, that both the power of the Elden Ring and the power of Sorcery comes from the same source. I recall you mentioning that Azur watched a star shatter. I believe what was supposed to be implied, was that the star was the initial Amber state, which then shattered into a Crystal form.
Hope you're doing well Max!
I am dude! Thanks for the well-wishes. :)
@@maxderrat Glad to hear it man :)
u d be surprised to learn just how many parralels dark souls 2 specificaly and and elden ring have
Ive been saying since alpha that elden ring is like dark souls 2: 2
@@sniperfity2327 man FR. Elden Ring really seems like the vision and hope they had for dark souls 2
Can you go into specifics?
Did you type this eating pizza?
Beside the janky movement you should tell us what these parralels are?
You're describing the Crucible as something that sounds cosmic in nature, like it was the thing that gave life to the entire universe. The way I interpret the Crucible is different: since its main manifestations are that of warriors and creature who mix various animal shapes like a mixture of all life on earth, I understood the Crucible as the thing that created life down on the planet where Elden Ring takes place, rather than some great cosmic origin of life.
Now, the Crucible that came into existence on earth and evolved into the Erdtree, probably had cosmic origins. The name itself makes me think of the crater of a meteorite, that brought life to earth, likely sent by the Greater Will together with the Elden Beast and the Elden Ring, and according to Ordovis' Greatsword, the sword of a Crucible Knight, "primordial gold" is red in color and said to be close to life itself. So the Crucible was always golden like the Erdtree is?
So the golden Erdtree amber is likely the product of the Crucible and the Erdtree, while Glintstone and the "amber of the cosmos" is the stuff of Stars, other sources of life probably alien to the Crucible and the plans of the Greater Will, which is probably why the Golden Order doesn't like the sorcerers' studies that much.
I always thought that space and space-related things were completely foreign to the Lands Between, which left confused about the true nature of the Elden Beast.
Turns out that everything did originated from the One Great as mentioned by Hyetta. I'm also pretty sure that the God of the Age of Dragons was the One Great, and its disappearance is due to the One Great fracturing into smaller parts, the main fragments being the Greater Will (Order) and the Frenzied Flame (Chaos), represented by the Two and Three Fingers which were once part of a single five fingered hand. Perhaps this complete hand is the Manus Celes (celestial hand) revered by the original people who built the Cathedral of Manus Celes.
Unrelated, but I do find it strange the Frenzied Flame ending is portrayed as a bad ending in Elden Ring.
"When the world rots, we set it afire, for the sake of the next world. It's the one thing we do right, unlike those fools on the outside". Remember this quote? It's from that one Corvian NPC in the Painted World of Ariandel. Resetting the world seems more preferable than letting it continue to stagnate. I doubt Ranni's ending really did anything to fix the state of the world. Yes, people can no longer war against each other to edit the Elden Ring, but the world is still crap, and will continue to stagnate.
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The point of the Frenzied Flame is to do a hard reset so that everything can flourish once again. Let's take our universe for example. Would you rather let the universe reach Heat Death where everything just stops and nothing happens forever, or would you rather Big Crunch the universe to make another Big Bang to restart everything again?
Rot is unsustainable. Once everything is rotten, the rot dies off. Just like how a mold dies once the moldy bread is completely digested. In the end there's only unusable waste material left.
Ranni's ending doesn't fix anything. She just sends the Elden Ring far away so that no one can edit the Elden Ring ever again. The world remains stagnant.
@@armandaneshjoo
I'm talking hypotheticals here.
The Big Crunch may not happen, due to the constant acceleration of the expansion of space. I'm just equating the Big Crunch to the Frenzied Flame ending, where you merge everything in the universe back into the singularity.
And about the Heat Death, I don't think you understand it at all.
The infinite expansion of the universe + the second law of thermodynamics = no heat. That means no chemical reactions, and therefore no life.
The Scarlet Rot doesn't rot things away into soil. Look at the Lake of Rot. It turns everything into toxic waste material.
And about Ranni, again, you're missing the point. Let me ask you this : what's the difference between Ranni's ending and the current state of affairs?
- Greater Will : seals the Elden Ring inside the Erdtree for thousands of years
- Ranni : seals the Elden Ring far away from anyone's reach
The answer is nothing. People were free to build a new world when Marika disappeared. They just didn't.
@@armandaneshjoo
Yeah, I'm going to need some sources on that supposed rejection. And rejected by who, exactly? The entire scientific community?
Also, you're missing my point about thermodynamics. I guess I should've mentioned thermal equilibrium, and the infinite expansion of space results in particles not being able to maintain enough heat to move and interact with other particles.
As for the Scarlet Rot, yes, it supports its own lifeform, at the expense of everything else. In this notion, the Frenzied Flame is better because while it ends all life indiscriminately, it also restarts the world so that new life can begin. That's how nature works. In cycles.
And the rest is just your headcanon.
The Elden Remembrance description reads : "It was the vassal beast of the Greater Will and living incarnation of the concept of Order".
The Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame are opposing forces. Yin and Yang. Order/Stasis vs Change/Chaos. The Elden Beast is both the source of order and a way to control the order of the universe.
The Golden Order is just the name of Marika's organized religion. That's why the Golden Order Greatsword mentions "tenets".
And no, Ranni didn't destroy the Elden Ring. Where is your evidence for this? If anything, her ending dialogue says the opposite : she's literally going far away with the Order to prevent anyone from editing the Order ever again. If she destroyed the Elden Ring, there's no need for her to leave.
@@armandaneshjoo
I've taken a look at the videos, and they only posit the possibility that the expansion of the universe might not be accelerating, and that the old cosmological model might be wrong. A lot of "might"s there. Also the paper is mostly ignored by the scientific community, and so it hasn't reach a broad consensus. I'd rather not accept it as fact, yet. But we digress.
The world has finite resources.
One cannot "grow" a cycle at the expense of nothing, which is what you're positing. At the start of the game, the Erdtree is now inert and devoid of blessing. The Primeval Current also needs "restoring", implying depletion as well.
And again, this is another one of your headcanons. The Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame do not represent the "victory" of Chaos or Order. Nothing in the game supports this. And Ranni's ending doesn't balance all the elements of the world. Did you even read her dialogues?
No item description or dialogue in the game alludes/equates the Golden Order to the selection of runes in the Elden Ring. Golden Order Seal, Golden Order Greatsword, and Golden Order Principia all tell the same thing : that the Golden Order is the religion. Editing the Elden Ring is it's own separate thing, without any terms attached.
Evaporation does not necessarily mean death. Also you keep avoiding the core message of Ranni's story. This is the proper translation of her dialogue after finishing her questline : “About my order. My order will not be of gold, but of the stars and moon, and chill night. …I want to keep it far away from this land. …Even if life and souls are one with the order, it (the order) could be kept far away. If it was not possible to clearly see, feel, believe in, or touch the order… That would be better.”
The implication here is that she can't destroy the Elden Ring, because the Elden Ring is the incarnation of Order itself. Her only course of action is to take it far away, beyond everyone's reach.
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You forgot methodology.
The very basis of the paper is declaring that the older methodology for determining the structure of the universe inaccurate. The paper needs more input from experts of the field to determine whether the paper's proposal is accurate or inaccurate. I'm no astrophysicist, and so until it receives proper recognition (like all the other scientific explanation that came before it), I'd refrain.
The problem with your argument of "using less space" is that there is a hard physical limitation : Moore's Law. The progression is not infinite.
Also, you can't make circuits smaller than the fundamental particles. That's in the realm of science fiction.
What's your basis that the Erdtree's blessing is restored in these two endings?
Their Mending Runes do not allude to any kind of restoration of blessings.
Headcanon means what one believe to be canon, and not the actual canon.
[ 1 ] Read the goddamn item descriptions.
The Golden Order Greatsword specifically mentions : "forged by King Consort Radagon to proudly symbolize the tenets of the Golden Order".
The definition of tenet : "a principle or belief, especially one of the main principles of a *religion* or philosophy."
Second, Marika herself said : "O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order."
By your logic, Radagon is a leal hound of the act of Editing of the Elden Ring. Tell me how that makes any sense.
[ 2 ] The Golden Order did not exist before Marika removed the Rune of Death.
Again, read the goddamn item descriptions. The Mending Rune of the Death Prince reads : "The Golden Order was created by confining Destined Death."
And 2-1 to 2-4 are just baseless speculations. There are zero mention of the Two Fingers and the Erdtree "starving" due to lack of souls. You completely made that up.
[ 3 ] The act of modifying the rules is not called the Golden Order.
3-1 - Wrong. The Frenzied Flame aims to merge everything back into the One Great. Read Hyetta's dialogue at the end of the Frenzied Flame questline.
3-2 - Wrong. This ending is called the Age of Fracture. If you watch this ending carefully, the Erdtree no longer has its signature golden glow.
3-3 - Unknown. The description of the Mending Rune of the Death Prince contradicts itself. It says death is restored, but also accepts those who live in death. So which is it? Also, you didn't exactly return the Rune of Death inside the Elden Ring. You just a small fragment of it.
3-4 - Wrong. Read the Mending Rune of Perfect Order's item description and Brother Corhyn's dialogues.
[ 4 ] Yes, and?
Yes, that's what I meant by Ranni's ending.
I feel like you are a friend to me , Thanks Max
I feel like he’s a nephew who joined the army reserves and got called into active duty. And though we don’t get to talk much anymore, I do get his letters, in the form of these videos, and it feels like he’s home again. Though I pray for his speedy return, I know I live in a nation whose foundation is war and subjugation of weaker nations, so I’ve made peace that I may never see him again. Ya know?
I love you, dawg. :D
So sad when Rennala put Sellen in the Shame Ball
Sellen did that to herself.
Rennala is the overmind of Ranni, she is the mastermind imo..Underworld is eternal night including Mohg's area where Miquella resides..
It makes sense, the harder the skin the longer you live - much less cellular reproduction going on which would allow for a much slower metabolism
So even with the age of the stars ending, we’ll still have a world with glinstone and elden spells. It’s just that the outer will and the fingers will no longer be able to reach us.
We will live far from gods rather than them living among us.
We will occasionally be unsure if what is in front of us is real or not.
Spell and incantation come from energy of life and star, the gods are not their source but govern how they function in broad stroke through an Order.
The flavor text of Gideon Ofnir’s helm reads:
“But when Gideon glimpsed into the will of Queen Marika, he shuddered in fear… At the end that should not be.”
This could be a stretch but could it be that Marika’s “will” is related to the primeval current? It could be that after years of being shackles in the “golden order”, Marika was willing to release the destiny of the peoples in the lands in between into a dark and uncertain future.
You nailed it
Oh nice, new video
11:00 I had a question: do you think that Marika/Radagon is ALSO made of stone, given the shattered statue appearance of 'their' body; if so, what implications would that have, especially when you consider none of their Empyrian or otherwise children had such a quality to their bodies?
They are of a species/race called Numen that you can also select in the character creation. So they arent originally stone.
@@mdd4296 So, did Marika become stone when she became the vessel for the Elden Ring?
I’ve recently watched your video game analysis videos and not 1, but 4 of these video games are among my personal favorite video games of all time. If you enjoyed playing magnum opuses like Xenogears, Silent Hill, Metal Gear, Undertale, Edith Finch and FFIX you will surely love making a video talking about the Ori series, they are timeless masterpieces and I highly recommend you to play them. I think you’ll love them! Especially the 2nd game.
Thas so cool about the dark souls areas in minecraft and also what a coincidence that today while i roamed tha altus plateu found a starlight amber key item.
Very well, let us learn together
Rennala isn't in a state to punish anyone.
Nice, before bed and everything!
Saaame
I don't know jack shit about the Souls series, really, but I feel like I can trust videos coming from someone who consistently reiterates that science is motivating his analysis.
I like that in previous works, like in demon souls that there is Fire Magic, and in ds1 fire magic is a supposedly lost art with pyromancy taking its place with it being seen as barbaric in a way or at least distasteful to scholars. Then Miracles and sorcery are considered opposites forcing clerics and mages to despise each other, but it is interpreted by most people that miracles and sorcery are the same just different ways of expressing the same power but in the game world it would be heretical to suggest it.
Then in ds2 they portray pyromancy as just fire sorcery since they are both taught in the magic academy in Melfia and pyromancy has its origins in sorcery while most miracles are now just legends with scholars refusing to even acknowledge them or the deities they are recounting.
And now in Elden ring it comes full circle with Sorcery and Incantations using the same power of the cosmos just differing in what aspect they use.
About the almost inorganic azure sorcerers lore..you kill 2 of them in Sellenas quest and ends up absorbing them, well...Rennala probably ends up inheriting their knowledge to be honest...
Max, I've been thinking of this since your bloodborne video and I wanted to ask, what is the symbolism of blood? Not only in bloodborne the blood is sacred but in many religions and mythos.
It's not that difficult: blood = life. People long ago noticed that when you stab someone and all the blood comes out, they die. So blood was obviously important and tied to living. But it was also tied to hunting and killing, as you know, when you kill an animal, their blood gets just everywhere. And hunting and killing is a very primal, animalistic kind of thing.
There's another ball in lennes rise in the dragonburrow
You mixed up sorcerrer azur and lusat oufits at approx 6:30
Dude ur simpsonic intro is amazing every time see it
to necro the comments, I don't think glintstone is spent golden amber, using the item description of Founding Rain of Stars, "The glimpse of the primeval current that the astrologer saw became real, and the stars' amber rained down on this land" I take this to mean that glintstone arises from the remnants of stars, and not from the crucible which became the Erdtree
Glintstone sorcery and the study therein has a kind of Lovecraftian horror to it. The mages and scholars of the Raya Lucaria Academy study it, and are clearly quite intelligent but as Lusat and Azur are two of the most extreme versions of the consequences of delving too deeply into that knowledge. Their bodies slowly became less organic and more crystalline, similar to glintstone itself. Likewise Sellen is also playing with metaphysical fire and that she turns into a horrible amalgam of flesh(?), stone, and glintstone tells me that there is indeed an inherent danger to the study of the stars.
Super video as always, thanks
Great video, Max. But you've used one of Ender Lilies' soundtracks in the video, so now you'll have to make a lore video of the game.
I doubt glintstone is a defused form of the amber, I feel like the cosmos has multiple godlike beings, and the Greater Will's "power" is displayed as golden/yellow, whereas the moon/whatever-its-actual-name-is is blue/purple. the Greater Will has dominance over the land as it asserted itself very early on, but other types of god-power can still be accessed provided there's a source to draw from. that's my take on it. Glintstone is like Amber, but simply derived from another source of power.
(I'm not saying glintstone isn't the same sort of thing as amber, just I'm using amber as shorthand to specify the golden amber via the greater will)
6:41 you switched Lusat with Azur
Great analysis as always. Very underrated content creator.
How can Renalla's amber egg be the Rune of the Unborn? I don't believe they are the same. When we defeat Renalla we take the great rune but she still has the egg. Is there a source claiming they are the same thing?
This is the description of the Rune of the Unborn: Amber egg clutched by Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon.
Great Rune of unborn demigods.
Perfects those who have been born anew.
Children born anew by Rennala are all frail and short-lived.
Imperfect beings, each and all…
So it seems to me that the egg is what houses the rune during its activation. The rune is inextricably linked to the egg in that way, as it can’t be activated by a rune arc. The interesting bit of that description, though, is that Rennala was constantly birthing imperfect beings for some reason…was it because she had no access to larval tears?
@Relyks Netoow i did not know that O_O that is a great point. that leads me to believe that either demi-humans are inherently incapable of a perfect rebirth (since he did use a larval tear) OR (and more likely) the great rune is only in the tarnished’s possession and is the only way to perform a perfect rebirth. Perhaps Ranni was the one who separated the Great Rune from the egg, since it is only after you defeat the projection she conjured that you’re able to possess it. So maybe Rennala didn’t have access to the entirety of the Rune/Egg for whatever reason Ranni had.
You accidentally showed Lusat, while talking about Azur, and vice versa.
Also, when showing the student of Lazuli, you showed them wearing traditional Raya Lucaria robes instead of Lazuli robes.
Not bad for a character with 9 INT though. (LOL)
Great video as always.
I want to mod a spell that makes Barney Grumble's burping sound.
Your player character looks really cool!
i do not believe that the ball was an accident. seems to me like that form is her way of accension
I'm gonna be honest, chief. I only care because her feet are out.
So if someone was able to control the current they would easily become as strong as a god
graven mass can be found in 5-7 different places.
Keep it up Bubba your nailing this shit!
I wager glint stone is the neutral substance of cosmic magic while golden amber is refined substance that is more potent but specifically resonant with the Greater Will’s Grace.
cool
Do you guys think the natural born of the void and the stars of darkness are Lusat and azure, sellen refers to tham as almost children of the star's and Both peered into the primeval current one saw darkness and the other saw Collapsing stars, could be Referencing the names , And they both seem to be mentally dead when you meet them, And Lusat looks like His head is turning into an eyeball just like stars of darkness. I don't know it hit me after finishing the quest for the first time back in March and I haven't seen anyone come to the same conclusion so I think I'm Wrong, but that's what I thought
Are the crystalians any way related to the onyx or alabaster people? They know gravity sorcs. Rahdan studied from them.
All of those species come from outer space. They dont have to be related in a biological sense to know how to do the same thing
top tier content me like
Side note...the students at the academy crown looks like burger King mascot 😳 🤣
More, please.
I thought golden amber was just sap from the erdtree
This video puts stretch Armstrong to shame.
I didnt know you had a Minecraft Server sweet. Im gonna email so me and my son can join!
Sellen actually shook my grounding.
Her words rang my esoteric , actually masonic ears.
Made me think about a lot of things, made my imagination fly about its influences. Sounds like an amalgamation of the way esoteric, magician , initiated people talk in real life and that made an impression on me.
Was planning in making a video or essay about it but im no good with that.
NEEEEEEERRRRRDSSS!
Just kidding. Nice video.
There is also haligtree amber
Summary: Aliens
Oh Sellen….
Why did he not make Rad Mann Castle :D
Very cool bro love your videos, make shore to do something related to demons souls also because its the most artistic one very beatiful
Behold, the Pale Blood moon..... hehahahaheahaha..
You missed something
What armor is that??
Which armor?
I think that ranni punished sellen , after all ranni helps her mom once when we fight her i don't why she wouldnt do it again
"I don't have 100s of hours to devote to a game" starts making content on a game you can easily put 100s of hours into.
Have you considered doing a video on Lord of the rings
you missed a lot
It really feels like DS3 is a sequel to DS1 and Elden Ring is a sequel to DS2.
What
What
"I have a minecraft server." Is the most groomer sentence in the english language.
Sorcerers really are the scum of the earth lol
Maxibart... yikes.