comment partially for algorithm partially for pride, got 5/6 that one fox tricked me. the ICs did a neat lil buffer walk where if youre holding forward you wont get a dash out of a move but full speed walk, which i think also works on gcc but i only ever see box players do it. im a box peach, wouldve loved to have seen some peach clips just to watch you all suffer. im a hater like that. peace.
As someone who plays on keyboard sometimes with no mod buttons the second I saw that walk I knew. That was the only one I was 100% on solely because I’m so used to that trick. That’s the only way I can get an uptilt out too
I played along, got 5/6. I had the luxury of being able to go frame by frame though (just used it to confirm things that I noticed in real time but still a big advantage). 1. Firefox angle at the end gave it away as GCC 2. Mostly a guess as I don't know IC's that well, looked different than normal IC's movement, wavedashes looks very uniform (box). 3. Got this one wrong, the movement wasn't too clean but I thought maybe it could be a newer box player. Some of the wavedashes looked very long. 4. I saw them adjust their shield tilt before shield dropping. On boxes shield drops happen instantly so there's rarely any shield tilt adjustment. 5. The two turnaround uptilts felt very box-like to me. Turnaround uptilt is awkward on box and is hard to do as fast and smoothly as on controller if you don't buffer the up and use mod y, which almost nobody does. 6. The shield drops were all instant, and the up-b angles were standard box angles. (Box can do more angles but almost nobody bothers learning them). I played on controller for 5 years and then switched to box for 2 years and then switched back to controller, so I'm a little sad I didn't get 6/6.
@@Masaru_kun yeah. On #3 I was thinking maybe some of the wavedashes were with mod x, and some without. But in retrospect there's no way a player who's new to box to would use different wd lengths in different scenarios.
I got 5 out of 6 but I play on box myself so I think that helped. The Marth on FD was impossible to know. I would really like to see more of this video since so many players talk about how different it is playing against b0xx players.
i was internally screaming the whole time because none of them mentioned the easiest thing you can look for when trying to tell whether someone's on gcc or a box: boxes only have 3 different wavedash angles, the 45° one, a shallow angle, and a steep one. if you notice a wavedash angle that's not one of those three angles, they're on gcc. if you only see three different wavedash angles being used, there's a high chance they're on a box, but it could be the case that they just have notches. 4/6 btw lol
You probably missed out, but they actually mention that right away after the first clip at 1:57 None, then PPMD and Amsa all comment on the wavedash looking analog. But yeah you're totally right, that's a big reason I've hesitated to switch to box even if it's minor Edit: I also may be mishearing, but it sounds like at the start Amsa is saying "there's 3 options" in reference to the angles.
All I can say is that, if there is a future video, it will have 0 Boxx players. It might not be any players of any kind at all if Nintendo could have it their way.
I played along. I got 6/6! It was rather easy to determine b0xx or gc because of their movement. It was more static, or fast when it came to box for their turnarounds, but it was a bit slower for gc. I will say that the aerial drift can help with finding the answer with how its faster on GC.
well if you make a twitter call asking for footage of games to try and test the players, obviously people are going to submit ambiguous footage to try and trick the contestants, and these are based on very short clips of low-mid level gameplay. show some high level tournament boxx play with sdi inputs, pivot tilts, repeated perfect angles for slideoffs, instant shield drops etc. and then see who can get it
I'm a keyboard player who started in 2017. Digital controls trivialize the precision aspect of the analog control stick and ergonomic/alt controllers shouldn't be tourney legal if they're all digital.
L take people shouldn’t have to break their hands. There’s nothing trivial about melee combos because the defensive aspect is so complex with layers upon layers. If we want to gatekeep things that make the controls easier then we should exclusively play without UCF
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comment partially for algorithm partially for pride, got 5/6 that one fox tricked me. the ICs did a neat lil buffer walk where if youre holding forward you wont get a dash out of a move but full speed walk, which i think also works on gcc but i only ever see box players do it. im a box peach, wouldve loved to have seen some peach clips just to watch you all suffer. im a hater like that. peace.
As someone who plays on keyboard sometimes with no mod buttons the second I saw that walk I knew. That was the only one I was 100% on solely because I’m so used to that trick. That’s the only way I can get an uptilt out too
I played along, got 5/6. I had the luxury of being able to go frame by frame though (just used it to confirm things that I noticed in real time but still a big advantage).
1. Firefox angle at the end gave it away as GCC
2. Mostly a guess as I don't know IC's that well, looked different than normal IC's movement, wavedashes looks very uniform (box).
3. Got this one wrong, the movement wasn't too clean but I thought maybe it could be a newer box player. Some of the wavedashes looked very long.
4. I saw them adjust their shield tilt before shield dropping. On boxes shield drops happen instantly so there's rarely any shield tilt adjustment.
5. The two turnaround uptilts felt very box-like to me. Turnaround uptilt is awkward on box and is hard to do as fast and smoothly as on controller if you don't buffer the up and use mod y, which almost nobody does.
6. The shield drops were all instant, and the up-b angles were standard box angles. (Box can do more angles but almost nobody bothers learning them).
I played on controller for 5 years and then switched to box for 2 years and then switched back to controller, so I'm a little sad I didn't get 6/6.
yup the ICs wavedashes were all identical thats the way to tell there
@@Masaru_kun yeah. On #3 I was thinking maybe some of the wavedashes were with mod x, and some without. But in retrospect there's no way a player who's new to box to would use different wd lengths in different scenarios.
12:52 "could they have done better than us" - on average a repeatedly tossed coin would've beaten toph and drawn with the rest
N0ne throwing at the end to share the crown 👑
a most sportsman like king
Are there any good Boxx Sheik players? n0ne would enjoy fighting them for content. Make sure it's one that shield grabs!
The fox in the 3rd clip did a very short wavedash which is not something you see on box very often. It can be done but its not really used that much.
I use the short wave dash all the time on boxx
@@PebelWasTaken For fox?
@@x9x9x9x9x9 mhm. Micro spacing baby
@@PebelWasTaken wow I rarely see anyone use it but I also haven't played many high level box foxes
@@x9x9x9x9x9 I mostly use them to space turn around uptilts near the ledge or on fd during a punish
Its funny when n0ne talks so much trash about b0xx players but can't even reliably identify them
I got 5 out of 6 but I play on box myself so I think that helped. The Marth on FD was impossible to know. I would really like to see more of this video since so many players talk about how different it is playing against b0xx players.
The wavedashes were way too uniform on the ICs to be GCC, surprised they missed that
i was internally screaming the whole time because none of them mentioned the easiest thing you can look for when trying to tell whether someone's on gcc or a box: boxes only have 3 different wavedash angles, the 45° one, a shallow angle, and a steep one. if you notice a wavedash angle that's not one of those three angles, they're on gcc. if you only see three different wavedash angles being used, there's a high chance they're on a box, but it could be the case that they just have notches.
4/6 btw lol
I'm imagining the 2/6 missed were both guessed GCC when they were box then right
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@@arvidbergman nah, other way around actually
You probably missed out, but they actually mention that right away after the first clip at 1:57 None, then PPMD and Amsa all comment on the wavedash looking analog. But yeah you're totally right, that's a big reason I've hesitated to switch to box even if it's minor
Edit: I also may be mishearing, but it sounds like at the start Amsa is saying "there's 3 options" in reference to the angles.
This is just completely incorrect.
i wanna see way more of these, great idea
3/6 not to shabby and I 100% used sat strats on the last one
This is literally what you would expect to get from randomly guessing.
Oh you just got boxded
4 of 6. Shoulda switched to box on toph's last argument but I stuck to my guns and got it wrong lol.
I want to see you guys do a similar game but one is always box and you have to get who is box and who is Gcc
wavedash angles are the key thing I look for
11:15 toph just make a guess littlest brethren
i only got 3/6 but this is a fun game to play along with
Love these vids
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This title hits different after those Nintendo guidelines dropped LMAO
got 4/5, fox ditto messed with me hard
nice series idea, catching a cheater
Got 5/6, got the white Marth one wrong.
For the last one the 10:14 dash dance is big
All I can say is that, if there is a future video, it will have 0 Boxx players. It might not be any players of any kind at all if Nintendo could have it their way.
I got 5/6 thought the last one was gcc ;)
Box is goated
why does the title say "boxx" anyway they're rectangles
All these Johns from the pros! 😂
I think they also forgot that you can play box with analog, just use a Wii Nunchuck.
I got 6/6, but I kinda cheated since I already knew hibou mains gcc lol
I got all 7 correct!
I played along. I got 6/6! It was rather easy to determine b0xx or gc because of their movement. It was more static, or fast when it came to box for their turnarounds, but it was a bit slower for gc. I will say that the aerial drift can help with finding the answer with how its faster on GC.
its silly to do this with low/mid level players, boxx wont help them and they wont do any boxx specific stuff because they dont know how
4/6 and I've never played melee before 💀
how did you even find this video?
6/6
I'm surprised none of them have noticed the pattern the answers are always in
1 2 2 1 1 2
Almost like no one can actually tell and there’s little difference in the first place 🤔
well if you make a twitter call asking for footage of games to try and test the players, obviously people are going to submit ambiguous footage to try and trick the contestants, and these are based on very short clips of low-mid level gameplay. show some high level tournament boxx play with sdi inputs, pivot tilts, repeated perfect angles for slideoffs, instant shield drops etc. and then see who can get it
Box player spotted.
ehh it matters most at the top level and that's where it's much more noticeable
@@TheJohnnyCrews I'm team all OEM (which is what I have) or everything goes. 👍
I got 3/6
Gaming
ayy im in this
I got 4.5 out of 6
0/6
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I'm a keyboard player who started in 2017. Digital controls trivialize the precision aspect of the analog control stick and ergonomic/alt controllers shouldn't be tourney legal if they're all digital.
L take people shouldn’t have to break their hands. There’s nothing trivial about melee combos because the defensive aspect is so complex with layers upon layers. If we want to gatekeep things that make the controls easier then we should exclusively play without UCF
I have played with both. You are wrong.
notched gcc controllers trivialize the precision aspect of the analog stick even more imo
@@FP-ih1luyes ban notches too imo
Nope, keyboard and boxx will be the standard in 10 to 20 years
yall dont know anything lmao
60 fps is real important yknow... Especially for those on the STREETS videos 😉 frame rate police reporting for duty 🫡😎