@@michaelgoodwin6565 ..it depend. In some countries, like Poland on Romania, salute without headgear is out of regulation. AFAIK, this is not true in US Army.
Beyond the Spit and polish of the academies and military schools as well as the manuals, there was a W I D E range of saluting styles in the US Service.
In some ways, the colonel is very fortunate. Soldiers captured by the Italians generally were well treated in accordance with the rules of war. And when Italy surrendered in 1943, Allied POWs were returned.
@@mr.angelosonassis3069, only after they started losing, especially after so many many Italians were killed or captured in Russia. No bigger cowards or worthless people than the Italians.
Furthermore, under the Geneva Convention No military personnel, officer or enlisted, is to salute enemy POW's. So the Italian legally didn't have to salute him. The ONLY thing mentioned about officers that are POW's was that they were supposed to be housed differently then enlisted POWs at the POW camp.
@@EffdaBlx Most officers consider themselves above enlisted personnel, but in this case might be one of separating the leadership from the rest, among other things.
It sums up most problems in the military, officers think themselves above menial tasks and superior to anyone lower in rank, even if that person has multiple masters degrees. And legally, enlisted people aren't people. They have no rights, no legal recourse, and no due process in most cases. Sure, if they court martial you you get some fraction of a shadow of rights, but up until that point the officers have appointed themselves gods and enlisted have volunteered themselves to be sacrificed for their gods egos. Whether it be a bounce house or a war crime, the stupidity of officers truly is above and superior to all other classes of people except cops.
@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788 You mean the *Fascist* salute, which was derived from the ancient Roman one. (So was the Nazi salute, basically, for that matter.) It seems to me that *both* officers in this scene, captor and POW alike, were low-key clowning each other.
@@RedStarKB Yes, under the Geneva convention, the officers and men of the 'capturing' power do not salute the officers of the 'captured' power. The captured power's officers and men are, however, required to render salutes to senior ranking officers of the capturing power. So, in this movie clip, the Italian major would not salute the American colonel even though the colonel is senior to the major in rank. Because the American colonel is a prisoner. So in this case the movie got it wrong. However, the American colonel would be required to salute an Italian officer of higher rank. I hope that explains it better.
The Italian uniforms look like the same color as Goering's. FUN FACT: Bill Blass, who would become a famous fashion designer, wore a regular US army uniform but he always looked better than anyone because he had it pressed.
yeah - it's been a while, a very long while, since I've seen it. The only thing I really remember from it is the quote "If only one of us makes it out, it's a victory!"
@@excelsior1018 Is that where dudeface is running to catch up with the train? I don't recall exactly and might be confusing it with another war movie from that era.
@@ginogatash4030 No. English speakers who live in rural areas don't speak fast at all. City folks, maybe, because they are always competing for attention. Go to the deep south as well here in the US and everyone down there speaks like their voice is dripping molasses.
@StrangeScaryNewEngland depends on the person and the accent can influence cadence but I heard people worh rural American accents speak pretty fast. But regardless of that, the main thing is that when your Knowlege of any given language is lacking a native talking at normal speed will seem faster than if you learned the language well cause you got to process a lot of words and their meaning in a short amount of time instead of just knowing them like a second language.
Italian major did not used military salute, but fascist one. No wonder he gave him a mocking salute. :P I bet Frank wouldn't dare to salute like this an American or even a British officer.
@@CipiRipi-in7df that salute is a military salute, and had been long before the Fascists were created and used it. It was also a common salute in America before WWII. The Stigma of the Fascists and Nazis brought home in the form of Western Hollywood and filmed War Propaganda however made it fall out of favour in the West. Simply calling it 'fascist salute" does not delegitimize it as a military salute.
That's a Hollywood salute. If you really want to know how it was officially done look up videos of the USS JOHNSTON during the Battle of Leyte gulf. One of the survivors from another destroyer escort tells how the Captain of the Johnston saluted their ship as they were heading in to take on the Japanese cruisers.
American officers would not refuse courtesy to an enemy officer, but some officers refused to shake the hands of German officers whom they considered war criminals.
@@cammywammy420 Then you are not an officer. Officers are disciplined and speak in a disciplined manner. Officers know not only international law, but the procedures of applying military law. They must leave punishment to the courts or they also become a criminal.
The major is called "major" in Italian, but he's actually a "seniore" a rank equivalent to major and used only by the MVSN, also known as the blackshirts.
@thecommentarykingnot totally, some blackshirts respected their peers and treated the enemy POWs as the same leve of respect, in the italian east african theatre of 1942, the axis forces in the area were mostly colonial armies and blackshirts, they fought so well that the leadership (duke of aosta) was rushed to a allied hospital to be treated but succumbed to disease, the troops would salute the enemies while surrendering and were treated well, except by some ethiopian troops who hated italians and executed some soldiers and officers
@@kettch777SS was not the same league as the black shirts, they would not accept non "aryans" the MSVN were a ideological army, made from anti communists and pro fascists, not a racial one
@@esequieltrindade9244 Some, but not all however. The MVSN field units acted poorly throughout WW2 being largely a liability to standard Army units, only few examples like those in Russia and as you mention in East Africa fared as well as the Army. However in the Italian East Africa the blackshirts weren't the majority, as they amounted to about 26,000 troops, less than the 42,000 Army troops.
stupid scene he does not ask for a salute from the first officer he meets. Yes during the second world war US personal were told to salute their captors, but there was no such requirement in the Italian nor German army, though most did as a sign of respect, if someone talked to you like Frank does here there is no respect given nor expected. Also under the guidelines of the time saluting was rarely done in-doors. And Frank's salute was so disrespectful. Such a stupid scene. Ordering two officers around of an opposing nation, sure fire way to end up in the hotbox or worse.
@@markalexander832 nope did not miss the point of the scene said stupid scene as any one who has served will tell you you do not make it to Major without being a professional solider, there is absolutely no way any professional soldier would accept this. This was and is a common troupe in movies that Italian and German mainstream officers where some dumb jerks and the SS were evil, this was a propaganda thing done during the war. So stupid scene ... you can show all kinds of different dynamics without having to make it unrealistic... this was not meant to be a sci fi movie set on another world.
"...Army files reported that Sinatra had actually been rejected because he was "not acceptable material from a psychiatric viewpoint;" his emotional instability was hidden to avoid "undue unpleasantness for both the selectee and the induction service".
I don't know what is more impressive: the interpreter translating perfectly... Or me actually understanding the whole italian conversation without being italian my first language 😂😂😂
@ it’s not at all … a salute is a salute and stays standard … it doesn’t become worse … it’s either bad or a standard salute by regulations … and in this clip, clearly nobody in the army nowadays would salute like that… an officer takes pride on many things, and a proper salute is one of them … I’m speaking from my own experience in the U.S. Army
Its not about the age, its all about the experience and personality. When i served there were a lot of older guys under my command. You dont salute senior nco's as an younger officer, but you sure as hell listen to them and listen to them well.
Fun fact: the Italian Fascists ended slavery in Ethiopia in the April of 1935, freeing an approximated two million slaves in the process. Won't hear about that inconvenient fact from Hollywood or textbooks or schoolteachers, that's for damn sure. History is far more nuanced than most will ever know.
It may seem like a good jab to give someone a disrespectful salute, but the best way to return a poor/offensive salute is to rise above them and give them a professional salute. It shows that you, your uniform, and the military you serve is a class act and everyone observing it will at least KNOW that the first person wasn't.
My favorite part is when Von Ryan (Sinatra) finds out the POWs are wearing filthy rags, because the Italians won't issue new clean uniforms. So he order the POWs to strip. And a bewildered Trevor Howard gives the order, "Parade, strip!"
Actually American POW’s in italy were treated exceptionally well very little complaints. It was the Ethiopian and libyan troops that got it hard it italy😂. Also italy surrendered in 1943 so it wasn’t that long to be imprisoned for
He gave the Three Stooges salute. lol. In my Air Force days, I thought about giving my superiors the Benny Hill, backwards salute. But, I didn't want to lose a stripe, trying to be funny.
De las películas mejor logradas y hechas de la WWII. Con un reparto de lujo. Rafaella Carrá jovencita. Excelente ambientación y trama. Fotografía y música. Frank Sinatra y Trevor Howard...notables actuaciones 🧎🧎🧎👍👍👍
Fun fact: it was quite the opposite. A lot of the italian high rankings were pompous pr**ks that couldn't take a single responsibility about their errors, not to mention the awful chain of command, the decision making about strategy had to run full cycle up to the generals and back, even for skirmishes you as a sergeant for example, weren't autorizhed to take any initiative. This mean also that in the lower ranks there were those people who aspired to become like them higher ranks. Overall it was a disaster, not to mention that The competition between branches of the army reached ridicolous levels, way beyond the acceptable
if I was the ita officer: "yes colonel, my rank is lower than yours, and then? we re in war, you are not of my army and you're also an enemy. you're to much arrogant for being a prisoner, learn how shut up, you must only be grateful that you fall in our hands and not in German's one"
@@MadmanLink yeah, but generally that respect would translate to officers being held in separate locations to low rank soldiers, and given better conditions in POW camps, not to actually saluting the prisoner as if they were *your* higher ranking officer.
@onyxdragon1179 Actually it has been common courtesy among European militaries for the past several centuries to salute surrendering/captured enemy officers. Take for example the famous painting of the Battle of Yorktown, where Gen'l. Washington salutes the surrendering British officers at the head of the column.
I remember the Italian Major Battalglia - Adolfo Celi from James Bond, he played the arch enemy of Sean Connerys 007 in Thunderball. Brilliant charismatic actor, he also reminds me of Gian Maria Volonte another brilliant actor who starred in epic Spaghetti Western movies of the mid 60s.
Military Courtesy. It is a common held tradition that even Enemy Officers are to be respected and saluted if you are held prisoner, and the same applied to the officers holding custodianship of said prisoners. As an Imprisoned officer, you are expected to keep the enlisted men under control. While it is not a mandate that enemy officers are required to salute, is is an expected courtesy and sign of mutual respect, and is very poor etiquette to refuse to do so.
I can’t understand how so many people go nuts over Frankie Sinatra. This whole scene is about his character having a Temper Tantrum over Saluting, Yet he Couldn’t even be bothered to actually LEARN HOW TO *PREFORM A US MILITARY SALUTE!!*
Upon the formal surrender of German higher field officers they would salute and sometimes the Americans would allow them to even keep a sidearm weapon on them
Frank Sinatra was always an entertainer. Amazing singer and alluring actor. He served in the US Navy in the pacific during the war and even though he saw some terrible things he never lost his sense of self.
And what he could though about an officer that, instead of regular grey shirt (like the translator), he wear the black shirt of Fascist Movement? And, instead of regular military salute, the Major gave him the Fascist salute? Not hard to imagine his thoughts. 😆😆😆
@@CipiRipi-in7df he could very well think that he is a fascist and since they are criminals, and you and you men are at his mercy, disrespecting him would not be a smart idea.
@@darkomiceski3755 You may want to avoid generalisations, as this statement is not in fact true. I know of several militaries, including the British where one saluted an officer bare headed or not....
He does a whole production about saluting , and then he does his Mickey mouse salute .
@@hectormunoz6052 he looked like he just jumped off a pride float.
Italian major did not used military salute, but fascist one. No wonder he gave him a mocking salute. :P
I did not think that officers were supposed to salute if not in uniform complete with hat?
It looks rather strange saluting uncovered.
@@michaelgoodwin6565 ..it depend. In some countries, like Poland on Romania, salute without headgear is out of regulation. AFAIK, this is not true in US Army.
@@michaelgoodwin6565 there is also way of salute without hat but that is without hand but just with small tilting the had forward.😊
Frank needs to work on that salute
looks like every single solitary officer salute I've ever seen. 10/10 on par with the real Army.
Beyond the Spit and polish of the academies and military schools as well as the manuals, there was a W I D E range of saluting styles in the US Service.
He was a WW2 veteran, he knew how to salute in every circumstance.
Edit: My apologies I for he was with the USO not the military.
@@andrewdacunha5695Frank was not a veteran, he was 4F from a blown eardrum.
It was a sarcastic his character threw. Ryan wasn't impressed with the Fascist style "hail" gesture.
"Don't you salute senior officers in your army, Major?"
"Are you confused about who the prisoner is here, Colonel?"
He is also indoors without headgear
@@Gordons1888we don’t wear head gear inside only outside
@spartanactual3379 I know but you shouldn't salute someone indoors without headgear
@@Gordons1888I heard you don't salute indoors as well
@@Gordons1888 Salutes happen regardless of head gear, indoors or out. As the line goes *_"You salute the rank, not the man."_*
In some ways, the colonel is very fortunate. Soldiers captured by the Italians generally were well treated in accordance with the rules of war. And when Italy surrendered in 1943, Allied POWs were returned.
Many Italians did not want to fight Americans but to BECOME Americans.
@@mr.angelosonassis3069, only after they started losing, especially after so many many Italians were killed or captured in Russia. No bigger cowards or worthless people than the Italians.
@@mr.angelosonassis3069 That's pretty arrogant.
@@peterc4082 -Yes, there are NO "Italians" in America.
@@peterc4082 Fact: After World War II, more than 600,000 Italians immigrated to the United States between 1946 and 1970. They LOVE the US.
Fun Fact: Frank Sinatra spoke italian
😂😂😂
No sht he was in the mafia
@@Azazel2024 I thought he said, "I am the Mafia".
@@Azazel2024 😂😂 precisely why I laughed
@Azazel2024 he wasn't "in" the mafia, he was just friends with some guys who were
Furthermore, under the Geneva Convention No military personnel, officer or enlisted, is to salute enemy POW's. So the Italian legally didn't have to salute him. The ONLY thing mentioned about officers that are POW's was that they were supposed to be housed differently then enlisted POWs at the POW camp.
Why ?that's kinda fucked up to be honest
@@EffdaBlx Most officers consider themselves above enlisted personnel, but in this case might be one of separating the leadership from the rest, among other things.
It sums up most problems in the military, officers think themselves above menial tasks and superior to anyone lower in rank, even if that person has multiple masters degrees. And legally, enlisted people aren't people. They have no rights, no legal recourse, and no due process in most cases. Sure, if they court martial you you get some fraction of a shadow of rights, but up until that point the officers have appointed themselves gods and enlisted have volunteered themselves to be sacrificed for their gods egos. Whether it be a bounce house or a war crime, the stupidity of officers truly is above and superior to all other classes of people except cops.
@@TemerRarioussomebody got too many wedgies in middle school
@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788 You mean the *Fascist* salute, which was derived from the ancient Roman one. (So was the Nazi salute, basically, for that matter.) It seems to me that *both* officers in this scene, captor and POW alike, were low-key clowning each other.
That is some... FAST italian, holy cow lol He's saying stuff like the old 80's micromachine commercial guy.
That’s typical Italian - spoken quickly!
This was back when they had actual Italians to cover these roles, rather than some fifth gen. Long Island "Italians". That's regular Italian.
The major was wearing a girdle
@@craiglacey9827 I’m Italian, from the North-West: generally Frenchmen and Spaniards speak way faster than Italians. Maybe in some specific regions?
@@bandenere7774shut up 😂
For those who do not know, the italian officer with the mustache is interpreted by Adolfo Celi, one of our greatest actors of the 70s
If memory serves me right, he was the villian in "Diabolique."
#2 spectre agent also i think in Thunderball
This movie came out in 1965
@@chrisstenger3719 Largo
The italian translator was Sergio Fantoni
Fun Fact: Sinatra was born to Italian immigrants and spoke perfect Italian.
And your point is?
@@lennychorn147 Were you born this way or did you have to work on it?
@@ardentfire3956 I am who I am.
Anyone who doesn't know Sinatra was Italian and spoke Italian, probably don't know who he was or would likely care.
Yet they gave him an Irish surname like Ryan in the movie.....🤔
@@RS-rj5sh 'Von' would indicate he is German meaning of or from.
Prisoners are not saluted nor do they return salutes. You salute your own country's officers, or those of allied nations.
Is it under Geneva convention, and what is the punishment for that?
You might want to double check that one.
Someone should've told Trump that before he saluted a North Korean general while smiling from ear to ear.
Trump not in military lol..he can do any hand gestures he want..including middle f@@StrangeScaryNewEngland
@@RedStarKB Yes, under the Geneva convention, the officers and men of the 'capturing' power do not salute the officers of the 'captured' power. The captured power's officers and men are, however, required to render salutes to senior ranking officers of the capturing power. So, in this movie clip, the Italian major would not salute the American colonel even though the colonel is senior to the major in rank. Because the American colonel is a prisoner. So in this case the movie got it wrong. However, the American colonel would be required to salute an Italian officer of higher rank. I hope that explains it better.
Lovely uniforms the Italians
Same for the germans too
Yes very snappy indeed.
Very nice.
The Italian uniforms look like the same color as Goering's. FUN FACT: Bill Blass, who would become a famous fashion designer, wore a regular US army uniform but he always looked better than anyone because he had it pressed.
Was that Hugo Boss uniforms too?
(like the Nazis)
Von Ryan's Express, haven't seen this movie in awhile, is a really good movie.
I've never heard of it. I'll look it up. Thanks
Very good movie.
Real gut punch at the end.
yeah - it's been a while, a very long while, since I've seen it.
The only thing I really remember from it is the quote "If only one of us makes it out, it's a victory!"
@@excelsior1018
Is that where dudeface is running to catch up with the train?
I don't recall exactly and might be confusing it with another war movie from that era.
Everybody fawns over the German uniforms from WWII but the Italians were pretty dripped out too.
Imo, Italian Fascist uniforms looked way better than German army or NSDAP uniforms.
@@doktertjiftjaf5186 Too many chicken feathers and too many medals ( for what?).
they were the original blackshirted idiots before the higher SS officials started donning black suits as well. mussolini looked dapper in a blackshirt
Definitely wrong
@@TheSouth-j7f participation trophies :D
I’ll never get used to how fast Italians speak and I’ve been married to one for almost 20 years 😂
Native speakers sound fast in every language.
Зато итальянский,один из красивейших языков мира.Итальянских певцов могу слушать часами,даже не понимия цекста.Очень мелодичный язык.
Damn
@@ginogatash4030 No. English speakers who live in rural areas don't speak fast at all. City folks, maybe, because they are always competing for attention. Go to the deep south as well here in the US and everyone down there speaks like their voice is dripping molasses.
@StrangeScaryNewEngland depends on the person and the accent can influence cadence but I heard people worh rural American accents speak pretty fast.
But regardless of that, the main thing is that when your Knowlege of any given language is lacking a native talking at normal speed will seem faster than if you learned the language well cause you got to process a lot of words and their meaning in a short amount of time instead of just knowing them like a second language.
Frank: "Salute? I'll do it my way."
Frank should learn how to salute😅
Italian major did not used military salute, but fascist one. No wonder he gave him a mocking salute. :P
I bet Frank wouldn't dare to salute like this an American or even a British officer.
Maybe he didn't want to get that ketchup on his hand
@@CipiRipi-in7df that salute is a military salute, and had been long before the Fascists were created and used it. It was also a common salute in America before WWII. The Stigma of the Fascists and Nazis brought home in the form of Western Hollywood and filmed War Propaganda however made it fall out of favour in the West.
Simply calling it 'fascist salute" does not delegitimize it as a military salute.
@@CipiRipi-in7df
It’s a Roman salute & makes more sense than raising your visor.
That's a Hollywood salute. If you really want to know how it was officially done look up videos of the USS JOHNSTON during the Battle of Leyte gulf. One of the survivors from another destroyer escort tells how the Captain of the Johnston saluted their ship as they were heading in to take on the Japanese cruisers.
American officers would not refuse courtesy to an enemy officer, but some officers refused to shake the hands of German officers whom they considered war criminals.
Respect for the rank, not the man.
If you're a war criminal, your rank is immediately void in my eyes, but also innocent until proven guilty.
@@cammywammy420 Then you are not an officer. Officers are disciplined and speak in a disciplined manner. Officers know not only international law, but the procedures of applying military law. They must leave punishment to the courts or they also become a criminal.
Orders from Washington
Surrender of a senior officer was always treated with military courtesy and respect.
The major is called "major" in Italian, but he's actually a "seniore" a rank equivalent to major and used only by the MVSN, also known as the blackshirts.
Ah, no wonder then. Italy's equivalent of the SS.
@kettch777 Yeah, the other branches of the military and the blackshirts didn't go along well
@thecommentarykingnot totally, some blackshirts respected their peers and treated the enemy POWs as the same leve of respect, in the italian east african theatre of 1942, the axis forces in the area were mostly colonial armies and blackshirts, they fought so well that the leadership (duke of aosta) was rushed to a allied hospital to be treated but succumbed to disease, the troops would salute the enemies while surrendering and were treated well, except by some ethiopian troops who hated italians and executed some soldiers and officers
@@kettch777SS was not the same league as the black shirts, they would not accept non "aryans" the MSVN were a ideological army, made from anti communists and pro fascists, not a racial one
@@esequieltrindade9244 Some, but not all however. The MVSN field units acted poorly throughout WW2 being largely a liability to standard Army units, only few examples like those in Russia and as you mention in East Africa fared as well as the Army.
However in the Italian East Africa the blackshirts weren't the majority, as they amounted to about 26,000 troops, less than the 42,000 Army troops.
Arrogance was in no short supply there.
A very underrated WW2 movie, one of Sinatras best, great movie...Von Ryan's express...
The Movie is Von Ryan's Express.
holy shit stop with the AI quality enhancers, they make things look cartoonish, this clip would have been a lot better if the original was shown
True the original color is much better
Probably worried about a copyright strike.
I was wondering why everyone was covered in plastic
Colonel Battaglia stole the eye patch from Captain Oriani and became a Bond villain later in 1965.
I knew he looked familiar
Even Dr. sassaroli in "Amici miei"
For a sec I thought that was Col Robert Hogan 😂😂
This movie ripped of Hogan's outfit.😅
You know NOTHINK!
Damn you guys got me wanting to watch Hogan’s Heroes again lmao 😂
Hoooooogaaaan! 🧐
And then, he gives a Hollywood salute. Ol' Hollywood.
That’s the fastest spoken Italian I ever heard, and the uniforms looked real sharp! 👍
Yeah you told em Frank, you sure told em good! 🤣
Dottor sassaroli impeccabile come sempre
I watched this as a child at an outdoor theater in Athens, Greece. My father was U.S. Air Force and we were stationed there in the mid 60s.
Cool.
Hellenikon Air Base? I'm guessing.we were stationed there with my parents in the 70s.
stupid scene
he does not ask for a salute from the first officer he meets.
Yes during the second world war US personal were told to salute their captors, but there was no such requirement in the Italian nor German army, though most did as a sign of respect, if someone talked to you like Frank does here there is no respect given nor expected.
Also under the guidelines of the time saluting was rarely done in-doors.
And Frank's salute was so disrespectful.
Such a stupid scene.
Ordering two officers around of an opposing nation, sure fire way to end up in the hotbox or worse.
I think you missed the point of the scene. It was not about protocol, it was about establishing dominance.
@@markalexander832 nope did not miss the point of the scene said stupid scene as any one who has served will tell you you do not make it to Major without being a professional solider, there is absolutely no way any professional soldier would accept this.
This was and is a common troupe in movies that Italian and German mainstream officers where some dumb jerks and the SS were evil, this was a propaganda thing done during the war.
So stupid scene ... you can show all kinds of different dynamics without having to make it unrealistic... this was not meant to be a sci fi movie set on another world.
@danielwarren7110 uhhh, the SS were evil? You must be on the same meth that they were
@@danielwarren7110 yeah this is just propaganda, no wonder the movie is american and not italian
No salute in-doors, no salute without a cap(hat).
The Italian dude had a good salute, Frank however didn't do a good one😂
One of my favorite war films. Don’t care if it’s fictional, it was a great movie
Same size as Bob Crane, that jacket became Hogans, in the series.
Nice jacket!
I briefly thought it was a Hogan's Heroes short before the second look.
@@etiennemourez3059isn’t that the jacket he took off of Rocco DiMeo?
That jacket along with other memorabilia, including the coffee pot, is in a museum in northern Ohio, not far from Camp Perry
@@JD-dw2bw
Cool, it needs to be on my list of places to visit....if you remember where, please post
@@SK-qc6fb
The museum is in Port Clinton Ohio, Liberty aviation museum 👍
Adolfo Celi! One of the best actor!!
I love Frank Sinatra but he didn’t serve a day in uniform in any military unit during WW 2 and he was in his 20’s and healthy.
"...Army files reported that Sinatra had actually been rejected because he was "not acceptable material from a psychiatric viewpoint;" his emotional instability was hidden to avoid "undue unpleasantness for both the selectee and the induction service".
I don't know what is more impressive: the interpreter translating perfectly... Or me actually understanding the whole italian conversation without being italian my first language 😂😂😂
Holy cow! That salute was not even worthy of a new trainee who arrived to basic yesterday! Good damnnn
The quality of salutes goes down with rank, not up. A fresh officer cares a lot about salutes, a senior officer rarely cares much.
@ it’s not at all … a salute is a salute and stays standard … it doesn’t become worse … it’s either bad or a standard salute by regulations … and in this clip, clearly nobody in the army nowadays would salute like that… an officer takes pride on many things, and a proper salute is one of them … I’m speaking from my own experience in the U.S. Army
That salute by George is like "screw you" salute
Italian major did not used military salute, but fascist one. No wonder he gave him a mocking salute. :P
it was and still is a military salute, even if it was used by the fascist Italians.
The major looks older than the colonel
In WWII some colonels were 25.
Its not about the age, its all about the experience and personality. When i served there were a lot of older guys under my command. You dont salute senior nco's as an younger officer, but you sure as hell listen to them and listen to them well.
@@anttitheinternetguy3213 NCOs with experience and good judgment can help officers from putting their feet in a sticky situation.
That probably why he didn’t salute at first.
@@godemperormeow8591 The soldier of a lower rank always salutes the officer of a higher rank. Salutes go up.
Fun fact: the Italian Fascists ended slavery in Ethiopia in the April of 1935, freeing an approximated two million slaves in the process. Won't hear about that inconvenient fact from Hollywood or textbooks or schoolteachers, that's for damn sure. History is far more nuanced than most will ever know.
Nice detail. The commander is wearing a black shirt.
This movies look actually better than movies now, how did we just fell, into making slop like now?
Worst salute ever by Frank.
The Italian hardly did his best either
he was insulting him
@@michaelmartin9022The Italian major saluted the way fascists and ancient- Romans used to do. This is historically correct.
It may seem like a good jab to give someone a disrespectful salute, but the best way to return a poor/offensive salute is to rise above them and give them a professional salute. It shows that you, your uniform, and the military you serve is a class act and everyone observing it will at least KNOW that the first person wasn't.
See? Italian lenguage is not as cartoonish sounding as you taught.
I love that they ended up saluting eachother in their own ways 😊
My favorite part is when Von Ryan (Sinatra) finds out the POWs are wearing filthy rags, because the Italians won't issue new clean uniforms. So he order the POWs to strip. And a bewildered Trevor Howard gives the order, "Parade, strip!"
nice fairy tale, but I don't think that a captured pilot would be talking like this to his captors.
Only once!
Another Hollywood lemon about WW2.
Actually American POW’s in italy were treated exceptionally well very little complaints. It was the Ethiopian and libyan troops that got it hard it italy😂. Also italy surrendered in 1943 so it wasn’t that long to be imprisoned for
@@Banished-rx4ol ok pal. Who am I forbid you to believe in Hollywood b-----t?
Frank played soldier in a bunch of post war films but never served.
Well,he was an actor and they were parts
It’s called acting for a reason.
@@MajorGeneralVeers Tell it to Jimmy Stewart.
@@77Cardinal he knew it was acting
According to US Army files, he was rejected due to not being ‘acceptable material from a psychiatric viewpoint’.
I would salute Frank Sinatra immediately...bro had connections
Sinatra's "salute" was a limp wrist
A terrific movie Von Ryan's Express. I'm still barracking that Frank makes it!!!
Emilio Largo before he lost his eye.
I thought I recognised him!
Colonel: "Don't you salute senior officers?"
Sinor Maggiore: " 🎵 'll do it, MYYY WAYYYYY🎵..."
Well, as Major Winter said to Captain Sobel: "We salute the rank, not the man."
He gave the Three Stooges salute. lol. In my Air Force days, I thought about giving my superiors the Benny Hill, backwards salute. But, I didn't want to lose a stripe, trying to be funny.
Ironic since Sinatra was Italian (by heritage, of course) and may have understood what was said.
yeah iam pretty sure he knew the script...
its not like he is a real POW, you know?
Sinatra spoke perfect Italian
@@eduardost.No he didn't.
He did not speak or understand Italian.
Von Ryans Express if anyone is interested, Great movie. Think the Great Escape but with trains.
Frank was a good actor 😊
He was crap
@@ralphmorris8169 best singer ever, worst actor !
De las películas mejor logradas y hechas de la WWII. Con un reparto de lujo. Rafaella Carrá jovencita. Excelente ambientación y trama. Fotografía y música. Frank Sinatra y Trevor Howard...notables actuaciones 🧎🧎🧎👍👍👍
That's one of the sloppiest salutes I've ever seen.
Von Ryan's express. A solid WW2 actioner that Is underrated. Great score too.
Damn no filter, he straight up told em no wonder why you're losing the war lol 😂
Fun fact: it was quite the opposite.
A lot of the italian high rankings were pompous pr**ks that couldn't take a single responsibility about their errors, not to mention the awful chain of command, the decision making about strategy had to run full cycle up to the generals and back, even for skirmishes you as a sergeant for example, weren't autorizhed to take any initiative.
This mean also that in the lower ranks there were those people who aspired to become like them higher ranks.
Overall it was a disaster, not to mention that The competition between branches of the army reached ridicolous levels, way beyond the acceptable
true but when it comes to branch competition the japanese were in a worse situation than us. like, way worse.
Von Ryan's express
Sergio Fantoni and Adolfo Celi are the Italians..
if I was the ita officer: "yes colonel, my rank is lower than yours, and then? we re in war, you are not of my army and you're also an enemy. you're to much arrogant for being a prisoner, learn how shut up, you must only be grateful that you fall in our hands and not in German's one"
There was a general respect for ranking officers, even if they were prisoners of war.
In the movie, Von Ryan was put in a 'sweat box' for his insolence.
@@MadmanLink yeah, but generally that respect would translate to officers being held in separate locations to low rank soldiers, and given better conditions in POW camps, not to actually saluting the prisoner as if they were *your* higher ranking officer.
@onyxdragon1179 Actually it has been common courtesy among European militaries for the past several centuries to salute surrendering/captured enemy officers. Take for example the famous painting of the Battle of Yorktown, where Gen'l. Washington salutes the surrendering British officers at the head of the column.
@joehill800 well yes, it's a matter of respect, but it's not a compulsory thing
Generally you can't salute like that until your at least a Major General
one of the best war movie of that decade, or the 20th century.
What movie is this?
@Highice007 von Ryan's express. I also think Kelly's heroes is another good ww2 movie.
@josephjacob3274 thanks! Seen Kelly's Heroes, great movie. The Great Raid is also a great movie.
I remember the Italian Major Battalglia - Adolfo Celi from James Bond, he played the arch enemy of Sean Connerys 007 in Thunderball. Brilliant charismatic actor, he also reminds me of Gian Maria Volonte another brilliant actor who starred in epic Spaghetti Western movies of the mid 60s.
Great movie
Man this is a hit, I look forward to seeing you grow
Wait a minute… did he crash his plane his way?
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He didn't like that song
One of my favorite movies. Excellent cast, interesting storyline.
1) That salute is shit
2) As a POW, his rank means moot to the Italian officer as his jurisdiction is different from the Americans
Military Courtesy. It is a common held tradition that even Enemy Officers are to be respected and saluted if you are held prisoner, and the same applied to the officers holding custodianship of said prisoners. As an Imprisoned officer, you are expected to keep the enlisted men under control. While it is not a mandate that enemy officers are required to salute, is is an expected courtesy and sign of mutual respect, and is very poor etiquette to refuse to do so.
When I watched this, I said to myself “this is either Von Ryan’s Express, or the most serious episode of Hogan’s Heroes I’ve ever seen.
He did it his way.
Best comment.
Superb Under Rated WW2 Actioner.
That first italian soldier who is speaking at the beginning looks to have a mauser Gewehr 98 slung over his shoulder.
I can’t understand how so many people go nuts over Frankie Sinatra.
This whole scene is about his character having a
Temper Tantrum over Saluting, Yet he Couldn’t even be bothered to actually LEARN HOW TO
*PREFORM A US MILITARY SALUTE!!*
Yeah, he was an over rated jerkoff.
Becouse american arrogance Is dispiced by the rest of the world!
Frank is wearing the SAME A2 leather jacket that Hogan wore in the Hogans Heroes TV show later
You don't salute prisoners
And an officer should return a salute with a hat on.
Actually, you do if they are senior officers, even if they are POWs.
@@christopherdean1326 Not in all armies.
Upon the formal surrender of German higher field officers they would salute and sometimes the Americans would allow them to even keep a sidearm weapon on them
It's a mark of respect from one soldier to another.
Saw this movie years ago late at night. Fantastic movie!
Italian soldiers were poorly lead & whole fully equipped
So Largo saluted Frank Sinatra before he tried rubbing out Sean Connery lol😂
I was thinking badass in the beginning until I saw that Salute at the end 😂
the interpreter has the goofiest pants in human history😂😂 they really thought they were the master race with that fit🤣🤣🤣
Frank Sinatra was always an entertainer. Amazing singer and alluring actor. He served in the US Navy in the pacific during the war and even though he saw some terrible things he never lost his sense of self.
Now I know where the inspiration for "Colonel Hogan" and "Schultz" came from...😮😊
The thought of Ole blue eyes in the military.😂
Really appreciate how all these shorts channels DON'T tell you what movie the clip they stole is from...
His salute was in style of what he though of that Major.
And what he could though about an officer that, instead of regular grey shirt (like the translator), he wear the black shirt of Fascist Movement? And, instead of regular military salute, the Major gave him the Fascist salute?
Not hard to imagine his thoughts. 😆😆😆
it was and still is a military salute, even if it was used by the fascist Italians.
@@CipiRipi-in7df he could very well think that he is a fascist and since they are criminals, and you and you men are at his mercy, disrespecting him would not be a smart idea.
He's talking like the voice in bad behavior of Dennis Cruz😂😂😂😂
I'm so happy for your experience. Maybe one day you guys can have her on for a interview.
Lovely movie...have watched numerous times since 1982
Where I'm from, no hat, no salute, and the Colonel had his cap off.
Von Ryon Express.....what a movie
And only Americans are saluting without wearing hat 😂😂😂
You don't have to have a hat on to salute.
@willthorson4543 only in USA in other countries is not allowed to salute bear head
He had just been shot down.
@@darkomiceski3755 You may want to avoid generalisations, as this statement is not in fact true.
I know of several militaries, including the British where one saluted an officer bare headed or not....
What is the title of the movie?
Italians were sounding cool as hell in this clip.