I guess you have read books like the Quran and Buddhist texts, what is your favorite Religious text ?, anyway I am a big buff Ancient history, I love reading about ancient military commanders like the famous Carthaginian Hannibal Barca one of best generals of his day, and other great commanders like Cyrus the great of the Persian empire and Leonidas of the Greek city state of Sparta who fought at the famous battle of Thermopylae which was fought in the second Greco-Persian wars, one of my favorite movies which I don't know if you seen or not is 300 it is based on the legendary battle of Thermopylae, I still like it even though parts of it are historically inaccurate. My favorite Ancient historical figure and my hero is Alexander the great of Macedon the legendary Macedonian king who conquered the mighty Persian empire.?
Samuel Long Now there's a mouthful to answer XD Okay, first things first: I haven't read books like the Quran (safe for a few bits) and only talked about one friend about Buddhism, but I have read the Bible many times. Especially the New Testament and Revelations and Matthew. Wow, you know your generals, mate! And I agree! From the Bible I really love the story of King David. I also like the Roman general Julius Caesar, how he conquered Gaul (strategically seen, that is.). And we've got a lot of generals who were great in their time. I've seen bits of 300. Pretty heavy battle scenes B/
If this was in-game, the German cavalry would charge up to the Roman column, then turn back at the last second, run away, then try again three times, then rout.
MrBandicoot When this was released, however, that wasn't true. And while I admit the routing is at least better, it doesn't mean the cavalry would do nearly as much damage to the tank that is a unit of legionnaires...
Well that is totally fine since cavalry did only really shine in the medieval times. Charging against a prepared line of legionaries who cary 2 pilum each...madness. Also horsemen were not as heavy armored as for example in the medieval times :) I actually thought you were talking about the ai running circles with your original statement.
BattlefieldSoldier7 aha first of all your parents seemed to make a mistake when raising you up since you seem to think only your opinion is valid. 2ndly ever heard of beeing polite youtubesoldier7? If this was real life i would be laughing in your face mister capslock :>
+bogoid so arminus killed 3 legions of the greates empire of all time with a few tribes germanicus is great but gold does't shine as bright on silver as silver on mud
+Justin De Neve Genghis Khan was a very gifted military commander, one of the thing that I find impressive about him that he manage to unite the warring Mongol tribes in to one kingdom and to lead them to conquer a vast Empire, that is what Alexander the greats father Philip II of Macedon did by uniting the warring Greek city states in to a single military power, it was Philip's dream to lead the Greek city's and Macedon in to a last great war against the mighty Persian Empire which he hoped what would reap Persia of the map, but unfortunately he was assassinated by one of his own bodyguards, that is when Alexander the great became king of Macedon and we all know what happens after that. My favorite of Genghis Khan's battles is I guess is probably the battle of Indus he used very good cavalry tactics which won him the battle, it is unbelievable how big Genghis Empire was at the time which is the Second largest Empire In history besides the British Empire which is the largest, and we have tanks aircraft carriers and jets today and we haven't conquered that much, but Mongols just had cavalry and they conquered all that land which is 22.29% of all the land mass on earth and they just did it on horses it is just amazing is in it. and they wars were some of the most bloodiest in human history, historians say that they killed it is estimated that they killed somewhere between 20 million to 70 million which is a lot of killing, and in world war one around 17 million died and they had machine guns and artillery which could of people at a time but the Mongols just had bows and arrows and spears which could only kill one person at a time. what is your favorite Ancient historical war ?
What are you on about, Britannia was rich in natural resources which was part of the reason to why Emperor Claudius wanted to conquer the island, it was one of the most wealthiest provinces of the empire when conquered unlike Germania which costed more money to upkeep than it gained from it
If I am correct, then the mongols didn't really 'occupy' many of the territories they conquered, they demanded surrender and regular tribute (taxes), and if they accept, they were overall left alone (altough ofcourse they couldn't do what the mongols didn't want) and those that refused were slaughtered completely as an example. Many regions just surrendered because of this. But this is also the reason why their empire overall didn't last too long, because they didn't really incorporate the conquered people or used occupation forces like the romans did where they could, what great britain did, ...
I never said they were nice, they were ruthless, I just wanted to point out that the mongols might have 'conquered' large territories, they didn't really occupy them like other great long lasting empires did. Their ruthlessness was what kept conquered regions from rebelling, but this wasn't a stable system and their empire never would have lasted long. We also should make a difference between what time/region we are talking about. Seeing different mongol rulers were more tolerant/less ruthless than others. And it existed for less than 100 years in it largest form, only to be divided afterwards.
For a start they could implement these cinematics into the game so it doesn't feel so barren anymore instead of letting it go to waste in a documentary that most players don't even know about. Seriously, who's responsible for these decisions?
How can Teutoburg be a lesson about various TROOP TYPES, of all things?? It was a lesson of need for reconnaissance, cultural subjugation, and appropriate placements of field commanders, not a Total War-ish anti-unit spamming.
***** My desktop: (yes, with unneccessaries included) LG 24EN33TW 24” LCD monitor Antec 300 Versatile Mini Tower (mini?! whtf?!? X-D) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti graphics card ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 motherboard OCZ 650W power supply AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5 GHz 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor 1 TB hard drive This is hardly a bad setup. I still yearn for what was shown in the video.
one other core info, lost in this historical sidestep.. tiberius germanicus was called germanicus for invading with 6-9 legions in germany, fighting everyone who would resist....and the germans fleed. so germanicus had to retreat without enough organisatoric possibilities to hold an army in germany. they tried to use the rivers in germany, slowly conquering germany, and the germans easily captured their constructions on the other side of the Rhein and than romans had to fight their own defensess constructions. some of these positions of these antic constructions became in the middle ages castles. they were still keypoints to conquer germany. for example you need to conquer the area around today Padaborn, to get to the next river to support your troops apter lippe and ruhr enden.
your a Roman General that lost a huge portion of the roman army and got betrayed by the person you trust more. believe me that trust was a lot more important than it is today. he also had to face the Emperor of he ever returned. i doubt getting nailed was the last thing on his mind while committing suicide
Ernesto Gastelum Actually the most that would have happend to Varus was a nasty telling off and possibly exile to some villa. He committed suicide out of his own choice
***** Considering how Gaius Terentius Varro the consul who lost the Battle of Cannae lived onto old age and lost a lot more men than Varus ever did, Varus did commit suicide out of his own choice.
umm...shouldn't they be fixing the game instead of that? My game still crashes every time i try to start a game or continue my old one after the last patch.
Really? Mine actually smoothed out a lot after the second or third patch. Still pissed it required that to work completely, but I haven't had a lot of issues in a while.
Murphy82nd Many still have problems, i actually was fine before the last patch (only a few problems but nothing major) but then the patch 7 came and killed me (and i was so close on destroying some of my enemies and relaxing my tight budget)
Artorias X Sorry to hear that. I haven't played much in a while, so maybe I am screwed too. I was waiting for the patches to plateau before I started a full campaign. I had issues with previous Total War campaigns where the saves stopped working after certain patches.
The woman did a great piece of overview history. Well informed, spoken clearly and with passion. She's a fantastic historian when you see her doing a variety of programmes. ( I never knew about the auxiliary betrayal)
Yeah it was part of the main reason to why they lost the battle, when the auxiliaries defected the Romans lost their eyes since they knew very little about Germania at the time.
Nicolas Dassonval Yes, then a few hundred years later the Rhine tribes cam back for vengeance on that vengeance, even before the arrival of the huns and the migration era, Germanic tribes were invading France and the Netherlands.
I would seriously question Bettany Hughes' generalizations about ancient empires (in the beginning of the video), especially their relevance to the Roman Empire. In fact, most of Roman expansion took place under the Republic (e.g. Julius Caesar conquered much of Gaul and invaded Britain, while being a provincial governor of the Republic); while the Empire was at its greatest extent in 117 AD, but still managed to function quite well for another 3 centuries despite shrinking a bit.
IKR? She just goes full cliche. Like the only cause that should cause the fall of empires was to stop expanding. Let's just forget about revolts, crop failure, piracy, foreign expansion that might clog important trade routes, civil wars, etc. But the roman empire suffered all these things, yet stood for 1500 years (although not in its full form, because it's humanly impossible). SO NO, THE ROMAN EMPIRE WAS *NOT* LIKE EVERY OTHER ANCIENT EMPIRE, MRS.LADY
+Steel Patterns Right on! In fact, I even doubt that most other ancient empires (or any other past empires, for that matter) were, like she claims, dependent on expansion and conquest. For example, the Egyptian Empire (c. 1550 BC - c. 1077 BC) reached its greatest territorial extent in the first 100 years of its existence, but continued to function very well for the next 400 years, despite territorial shrinkage. All of this makes me wonder where Bettany Hughes got her generalization about ancient empires ...
+Steel Patterns Good plan! "United we stand! Divided we fall!" lol. So, what do you do (aside from surfing TH-cam, lol)? On a second thought, I'll go send you a private message, about this, on here. Until then, check out my G+ profile. It has a lot of real info on me. Cheers!
***** because the history channels has covered all the "real historical documents" time and time and time and TIME again. they play the crap they do now because they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel for topics they havnt already, at some point, covered.
Romans faced greater defeat at the hands of the Persians/Iranians... the whole German front was to fortify the north in order to enable Rome to face its greatest enemy in the east - Persia. Persia needed to fall in order to give Rome Access to the riches of Indo-China and silk road trade.
Partia faced great defeat from Romans too.The late Imprerial Roman army is way over what Partia ever had at the time.If Rome wanted really bad , Partia would fall.
In the time I think he was probably one of the more trustworthy commanders for what needed to be done. Which was mainly just subduing the locals and Romanizing the area. He gained a reputation for his exploits in other areas so I can't say he was a bad choice.
He gained a reputation for cruelty in Judea- he had 2000 Jewish people crucified. He was guillable- he believed the German tribes when they said they enjoyed being under Roman rule. He was arrogant. He actually believed that the Roman Army was invincible. As I said before, Varus was a very bad choice- Tiberius would have been better had Augustus not fobbed him off the whole time...
MC Gibbs To go and live free, remember the tribes that were saved by the battle of Tuetonburg forest became France, became Germany, became Spain, became Italy and became England. Though he did not know it at the time, Arminius forged modern Europe in Roman blood.
Well, Augustus' original plan was actually to have the Danube and Elbe rivers serve as Rome's natural borders. I don't know where all these institutions that Augustus was just mindlessly expanding come from, he had a structured, strategic long term objective, and sure, the Elbe wasn't quite as wide as the Rhine, but it was still wide enough with natural features to make it a decent natural border running down near Pannonia.
u traitor?!?!?!? u must be kiddin there.lets make an example ,if i capture ur children,raise them as mine,but they still knowing that I tooke the from u with force and then order them to (kill attack or smth.)u.they shall hear to my orders killin their own father,rather than helping their own father attackin me.crazy logic
weisthor0815 Who would you have more feeling towards, your adoptive parents who raised you and you've been with them all your life or your birth parents?
99batran good question, but only on the first look. you forget to take into account that arminus was of a certain age when he was forced to leave his parents, so if i was him, i would prefer my birth parents of course. and later on he was commander of the auxillary cavalry, which consistet mainly of german men, and there he probably heard of lot of stories about how the romans treated his tribe and others. he would have been a traitor if he had done nothing about that, but he did, and so he is a hero.
Guys Arminius was a loyal soldier of Rome until he saw how brutal they were at treating rebellions and simply wanted to avoid the same fate for the Germanic people
Actually, according to the ancient historians, there was a couple thousand who actually survived the battle (mostly of the camp followers but also a few from the legions, not alot, but a few) and made it to the Roman garrison on the other side. So the legions weren't completely wiped out. It's simply there was no point to calling them a legion anymore as so many had perished.
What is often forgotten is that later campaigns were led against the Germans which proved dramatically more successful. A man by the name of Germanicus successfully avenged Teutoburg forest.
Battle only took 4 days. Four days is accually quite a lot for a battle, Cannae took half a day and casulties were much higher. Psychologically, it must have been a nightmare came to life, to be going for four days hoping to get out and survive, but to die at the end seemingly out of danger...
Yup it's that simple. In the first 60 seconds of the video we here Rome fell because it stopped expanding. Rome stopped expanding for hundreds of years, because many emperors knew that further expansion meant an unmanageable empire. If you read even a basic summary of roman history you will find a long list of reason for why Rome stagnated and declined, mostly revolving around poor policy and overall bad governance.
It was internal conflicts that lead Romans to their own downfall. Emperor Trajan and Aurelius did conquer many Germanic lands but later emperors abandon them.
No army in that era could've survived that ambush especially with how deep the mud was considering they got stuck in it together with the heavy rain and how wet it was practically made the legionaries defenseless easy targets for the germans.
Bitch please the battle of cannae is still my number one nearly 70 000 roman was killed in four hours what a wonderful masterpiece of death Hannibal Barca what a genius you are
the battle of teuteburg was a big defeat, not only because they lost the legions. they lost the carts too. We then talk of about 125,000 men, if you including the slaves. The next emperor then marched easily with even more troops to Germania and defeated the tribes, who won in Teuteburg. But the Germans were not fighting against him a real battle, but rather fled, and the supply from the rivers disabled and then these army had to withdraw, due to supply problems, the coming winter and evasion problems by the opponent. It was a waste of money. so they didnt came again.
What a disaster. . .oh, I don't mean the destruction of Varus and his Legions. I mean hiring Bettany Huges to strain and mug at the camera as she narrates the piece. I love history documentaries but as soon as I turn the TV on and see her 'dashing' about as she tries to act excited about past battles I instantly turn it off.
I gave it a last try. With all the updates, 10 or so official patches, hannibal at the gates update etc, etc. Started a siege battle where I attacked a walled fortress city As I attacked the wall, my men took casualties but eventually beat the defenders off the walls. Decided to bring my core unit up and over the walls before progressing. Spent the next 15 minutes at highest accelerated clock watching my legionaries climb up one set of ladders, walk across the wall and then climb down another set of ladders in a never ending circular loop. I have been a fan since Shogun. I have several versions of all your games. I appreciate how many new features you have implemented. I appreciate the effort and the dedication of your team. But at this this game is unsaleable. It is beyond hope. The truth is, the engine cannot handle melee warfare at the level required for a total war game. The UI is complex and ugly. The enemy AI is terrible, path-finding, and unable to navigate the beautiful maps you have created. Tactic, inept the ai builds a dozen 3 unit armies and then attacks me, 1 unit at a time, rather than massing first attacking later, Strategically, the vast numbers of factions means Rome vs Carthage as example, is always disappointing The features are unclear, such as how agents work, I still have little understanding The descriptions are mostly generic, with the same text copy pasted for multiple units or options The Unit cards are the worst i have seen. Pottery is not descriptive and there are few icons to tell you what is going on. Way to many features have been implemented that simply do not work. FEATURE CREEP = BAD GAME DESIGNERS But at its core. Its just not fun.I really wanted to love this game, I have kept with it up until this moment but after giving the last update a chance, I simply do not want to keep the pain up so i deleted it. I paid a lot of money on this, but I have learned my lesson. Next time, no preorder, instead wait for the game of the year edition with all the patches and DLC to go on steam sale. Meanwhile, i will re-install Rome 1, a far superior game.
The Stoics also had a high regard for the king of the gods. Seneca had this to say about Zeus: "The Ancients did not believe that the Jupiter [=Zeus] we adore on the Capitol and in the other temples sent bolts of lightning with his own hand". On the contrary: by "Jupiter" they meant the soul and mind of the world. All names are appropriate to him. Do you want to call him Destiny? You won't be wrong, for it is from him that all things are suspended; he is the cause of causes. Do you want to call him Providence? You will speak rightly, for it is by his counsel that the needs of the world are provided for, in order that it may reach its appointed term without impediment, and that it may unfold all its movements. Nature? You will not be in error, for it is from him that all things are born, and thanks to whose breath we live. The World? You will not be wrong, for he is all that you see; he is present in all of its parts and he conserves both himself and its parts. Lightning-bolts are not hurled by Jupiter, but all things have been so disposed that even those things which are not done by him do not happen without that Reason which belongs to Jupiter ... For even if Jupiter does not now do these things himself, yet he has caused these things to happen.
Please History Channel, turn away from the dark path of Cajun Dynasty, Duck Wars, Storage Mysteries and Alien Pawn Shop and use Rome II for documentaries. Please...
I get that modern pop culture loves the idea of rebelling for a greater cause (like Germania ruled by the rightful German people) but it was a power struggle a historian called Arminius a German with who has been Romanized enough to have a political ambition to start this revolt. However I love the women's expression and her enthusiasm when explaining this.
Teutoburg is extremely overrated. It did NOT stop the Roman Conquest of Germania. Roman General Germanicus invaded Germania, defeated Arminius, had him assassinated, then occupied all German lands between the Rhine and Elbe Rivers.
Varrus was not "chosen to deal with the problem": you guys are hyping. He got his proconsulship there right after Syria (probably by drawing lots, as was the custom) and no one knew there was going to be a revolt. He was a run-of-the-mill roman politician, and was a bit complacent and corrupt, and that is what allowed Arminius to fulfill his ambitions. Had it been Germanicus or Agrippa in there Arminius would have stayed quiet, and waited till they had someone like Varrus whom he felt more confident about bringing his designs to bear against. Again, to restate Michael Duncan, this looks like large socio-political factors combining with the individual personalities of the people involved. But even after the death of Arminius, those factors were still in place, namely that Germanic tribes were just a bad neighbor for the wealthy and corrupt Rome. Can't be pacified - can't be left unchecked: you're damned if you try to conquer them and you're damned if you leave them alone.
Octavian wanted to withdraw to the Rhine as the Rhine was a very defensible river and it was very costly and time consuming to control an army so far away from Rome. This was a convenient excuse.
Sjors Bakker As the historian says at the beginning of this video, empires thrive off expansion. Had the Germans been conquered they would add to the Imperial economy and the ranks of the Roman army, and this process could continue as the Germans would gradually become civilised. Anyhow, "impirial overstrect" never stopped the Romans from gaining the whole Mediterranean.
Tochtochtoch You are looking at this through modern eyes. It’s true that plunder can bring wealth but occupation cost money. Germany was a forested waste land; it had no industry, poor farming and a violent and aggressive culture. To Rome, that meant years of expensive warfare against gorillas. It was cheaper to just let them rot on the other side of the Rhine, which is a very defendable natural border, rather than pacify and then develop the land at great expense. If you look at Octavian’s policy, everywhere in the empire, he re-built the borders around terrain features. In Europe, this meant the Rhine and the Danube rivers. He then made an edict informing future leaders, never to cross these borders. Rome would be able to generally hold these borders for centuries to come. Octavian understood that a good civil service will create the tax revenue needed to maintain a military and keep the people fed. He also understood that too many wars of aggression = too many Roman Generals with armies and delusions of grandeur who can then turn around and dethrone him. It was better to keep the armies dispersed and mostly under second rate commanders who were loyal to him rather than create a major field army and fight a civil war. Octavian’s policies were very successful. In fact, the empire was able to survive the invasions of the 3rd century because of the strong frontiers and was essentially safe until the Goths crossed the Danube in the late 4th century and stayed. Once Octavian’s edict to hold the Danube failed and within a generation, Rome was sacked. Now, the woman in the video is selling you the game called Total War, so she makes a point about warfare feeding Empires. But it’s not entirely accurate. Conquest can feed the growth of Empires but equally the collapse. Look at napoleon and Hitler, when they went too far and ended up losing everything. Germania had nothing to offer Rome. And there were no good defensible territories in Germany, east of the Rhine. You would have to expand to the Vistula in Europe and even then, there would be giant gaps in your line. Holding Germany would have opened a wound in Rome’s defense that would have bled her dry. It was a much smarter move to let her go.
Honestly I'm so glad I waited to buy this game until about a month ago, that way I only know it as a great game instead of a buggy mess. Feel bad for prople that had to endure early post launch builds!
creative assembly should literally just recreate rome total war (the first one) with graphical improvements and leave it at that the first one was so good. i jizz everi tim
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Why the hell are none of these cool cutscenes (also from other videos) in the actual game ????
"The only peril of the Roman Empire, is to loose the Eagle standard!"
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+Warren Lloyd right !
I guess you have read books like the Quran and Buddhist texts, what is your favorite Religious text ?, anyway I am a big buff Ancient history, I love reading about ancient military commanders like the famous Carthaginian Hannibal Barca one of best generals of his day, and other great commanders like Cyrus the great of the Persian empire and Leonidas of the Greek city state of Sparta who fought at the famous battle of Thermopylae which was fought in the second Greco-Persian wars, one of my favorite movies which I don't know if you seen or not is 300 it is based on the legendary battle of Thermopylae, I still like it even though parts of it are historically inaccurate. My favorite Ancient historical figure and my hero is Alexander the great of Macedon the legendary Macedonian king who conquered the mighty Persian empire.?
Samuel Long
Now there's a mouthful to answer XD
Okay, first things first:
I haven't read books like the Quran (safe for a few bits) and only talked about one friend about Buddhism, but I have read the Bible many times. Especially the New Testament and Revelations and Matthew.
Wow, you know your generals, mate! And I agree! From the Bible I really love the story of King David. I also like the Roman general Julius Caesar, how he conquered Gaul (strategically seen, that is.). And we've got a lot of generals who were great in their time.
I've seen bits of 300. Pretty heavy battle scenes B/
+Warren Lloyd cool dude XD
If this was in-game, the German cavalry would charge up to the Roman column, then turn back at the last second, run away, then try again three times, then rout.
Im sorry but thats not true anymore. Game was fixed a while ago, even when some people wont accept it.
MrBandicoot When this was released, however, that wasn't true. And while I admit the routing is at least better, it doesn't mean the cavalry would do nearly as much damage to the tank that is a unit of legionnaires...
Well that is totally fine since cavalry did only really shine in the medieval times.
Charging against a prepared line of legionaries who cary 2 pilum each...madness. Also horsemen were not as heavy armored as for example in the medieval times :)
I actually thought you were talking about the ai running circles with your original statement.
BattlefieldSoldier7 aha first of all your parents seemed to make a mistake when raising you up since you seem to think only your opinion is valid. 2ndly ever heard of beeing polite youtubesoldier7? If this was real life i would be laughing in your face mister capslock :>
MrBandicoot Not to mention the fact he is getting so mad as to label you as "FANBOY SCUM" when you all you are doing is making a personal statement.
Tell me this wouldn't make a great movie.
+nuclear Atom not all of us
I love how the anti romans tend to ignore the existence of Germanicus
+bogoid so arminus killed 3 legions of the greates empire of all time with a few tribes
germanicus is great but gold does't shine as bright on silver as silver on mud
Tim van Rijn
I know... That's why we have a game called ROME total war 2000 years later :)
I liked rtw1 better then rtw2
in the end Rome got sacked and settled successfully by germanic peoples :D
and the dark age came after that :D
Less than five years later however Germanicus Caesar went into Germania and kicked ass.
And they only hold Germania for less than 50 years.
+Justin De Neve Genghis Khan was a very gifted military commander, one of the thing that I find impressive about him that he manage to unite the warring Mongol tribes in to one kingdom and to lead them to conquer a vast Empire, that is what Alexander the greats father Philip II of Macedon did by uniting the warring Greek city states in to a single military power, it was Philip's dream to lead the Greek city's and Macedon in to a last great war against the mighty Persian Empire which he hoped what would reap Persia of the map, but unfortunately he was assassinated by one of his own bodyguards, that is when Alexander the great became king of Macedon and we all know what happens after that. My favorite of Genghis Khan's battles is I guess is probably the battle of Indus he used very good cavalry tactics which won him the battle, it is unbelievable how big Genghis Empire was at the time which is the Second largest Empire In history besides the British Empire which is the largest, and we have tanks aircraft carriers and jets today and we haven't conquered that much, but Mongols just had cavalry and they conquered all that land which is 22.29% of all the land mass on earth and they just did it on horses it is just amazing is in it. and they wars were some of the most bloodiest in human history, historians say that they killed it is estimated that they killed somewhere between 20 million to 70 million which is a lot of killing, and in world war one around 17 million died and they had machine guns and artillery which could of people at a time but the Mongols just had bows and arrows and spears which could only kill one person at a time. what is your favorite Ancient historical war ?
What are you on about, Britannia was rich in natural resources which was part of the reason to why Emperor Claudius wanted to conquer the island, it was one of the most wealthiest provinces of the empire when conquered unlike Germania which costed more money to upkeep than it gained from it
If I am correct, then the mongols didn't really 'occupy' many of the territories they conquered, they demanded surrender and regular tribute (taxes), and if they accept, they were overall left alone (altough ofcourse they couldn't do what the mongols didn't want) and those that refused were slaughtered completely as an example. Many regions just surrendered because of this. But this is also the reason why their empire overall didn't last too long, because they didn't really incorporate the conquered people or used occupation forces like the romans did where they could, what great britain did, ...
I never said they were nice, they were ruthless, I just wanted to point out that the mongols might have 'conquered' large territories, they didn't really occupy them like other great long lasting empires did. Their ruthlessness was what kept conquered regions from rebelling, but this wasn't a stable system and their empire never would have lasted long. We also should make a difference between what time/region we are talking about. Seeing different mongol rulers were more tolerant/less ruthless than others. And it existed for less than 100 years in it largest form, only to be divided afterwards.
I like the way she express the history.
For a start they could implement these cinematics into the game so it doesn't feel so barren anymore instead of letting it go to waste in a documentary that most players don't even know about.
Seriously, who's responsible for these decisions?
This deserves to be on History Channel far more than Pawn Stars
How can Teutoburg be a lesson about various TROOP TYPES, of all things?? It was a lesson of need for reconnaissance, cultural subjugation, and appropriate placements of field commanders, not a Total War-ish anti-unit spamming.
>No mentions about the fact that Germanicus humiliated the germans and honoured the dead romans a few years later;
>top kek
Luan Andres maybe google germanicus again. he did not humiliate anyone. at last arminius was succesful.
Einigkeit&Recht&Freiheit what are you Talking about?
He failed to annex Germania so Arminius won at the end
Rome Total war 1 ; FORMATION CHAAAARGE!!!!!
Total war Rome 2 : YOUR MEEEN ARE WAAAVERING!!!!
my games does not look like that...
***** The last patch made my game use only a single core :P that being said, it does run a little better but strange
the creators of rome total war 2 HAVE MASSIVELY INSANE GOOD PCS
That's ashame, mine does.
MrPytte98 Mine looks good too lol. Not to say I don't have issues but most of the time it looks good
***** My desktop: (yes, with unneccessaries included)
LG 24EN33TW 24” LCD monitor
Antec 300 Versatile Mini Tower (mini?! whtf?!? X-D)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti graphics card
ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 motherboard
OCZ 650W power supply
AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5 GHz 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor
1 TB hard drive
This is hardly a bad setup. I still yearn for what was shown in the video.
one other core info, lost in this historical sidestep.. tiberius germanicus was called germanicus for invading with 6-9 legions in germany, fighting everyone who would resist....and the germans fleed. so germanicus had to retreat without enough organisatoric possibilities to hold an army in germany.
they tried to use the rivers in germany, slowly conquering germany, and the germans easily captured their constructions on the other side of the Rhein and than romans had to fight their own defensess constructions. some of these positions of these antic constructions became in the middle ages castles. they were still keypoints to conquer germany.
for example you need to conquer the area around today Padaborn, to get to the next river to support your troops apter lippe and ruhr enden.
cool
Varus killed himself in part because he knew the German tribes liked to nail their captives to trees
your a Roman General that lost a huge portion of the roman army and got betrayed by the person you trust more. believe me that trust was a lot more important than it is today. he also had to face the Emperor of he ever returned. i doubt getting nailed was the last thing on his mind while committing suicide
Ernesto Gastelum Actually the most that would have happend to Varus was a nasty telling off and possibly exile to some villa. He committed suicide out of his own choice
***** Considering how Gaius Terentius Varro the consul who lost the Battle of Cannae lived onto old age and lost a lot more men than Varus ever did, Varus did commit suicide out of his own choice.
Dave S. Cannae was against Hannibal. Varus lost his troops in a pathetic way, trusting the wrong person despite intel.
WOW! LOOK AT THESE AMAING CINEMATIC GRAPHICS, AND SMART AI AND BRILLIANT GAME MECHANICS!!!!! My f*cking ass Creative Assembly!
umm...shouldn't they be fixing the game instead of that? My game still crashes every time i try to start a game or continue my old one after the last patch.
Really? Mine actually smoothed out a lot after the second or third patch. Still pissed it required that to work completely, but I haven't had a lot of issues in a while.
Murphy82nd
Many still have problems, i actually was fine before the last patch (only a few problems but nothing major) but then the patch 7 came and killed me (and i was so close on destroying some of my enemies and relaxing my tight budget)
Artorias X
Sorry to hear that. I haven't played much in a while, so maybe I am screwed too. I was waiting for the patches to plateau before I started a full campaign. I had issues with previous Total War campaigns where the saves stopped working after certain patches.
Artorias X Same thing happen to me since the last patch I cant start the game whitout crashing and before that patch I had no problems.
Reinstall the game and remove all the mods u downlaoded from Steam workshop. iT WORKED FOR ME.
Was this a trailer or something I would be watching on discovery or history?
"Take a look at this historical documentary using the game engine for Total War; Rome II."
How bout Patching the empire? Huh?
2:03 So eager and happy to show the shame and grief of another man
Great commentary.
Excellent work.
The woman did a great piece of overview history. Well informed, spoken clearly and with passion. She's a fantastic historian when you see her doing a variety of programmes.
( I never knew about the auxiliary betrayal)
Yeah it was part of the main reason to why they lost the battle, when the auxiliaries defected the Romans lost their eyes since they knew very little about Germania at the time.
I love Bettany Hughes, she truly is amazing when it comes to history.
They should stop the German fanboyism. They seem to fail that Rome came back for vengeance after this battle, it came back hard.
I love your profile pic... Polandball is great!
Nicolas Dassonval Yes, then a few hundred years later the Rhine tribes cam back for vengeance on that vengeance, even before the arrival of the huns and the migration era, Germanic tribes were invading France and the Netherlands.
+lotsodakka Rome lost to itself
I would seriously question Bettany Hughes' generalizations about ancient empires (in the beginning of the video), especially their relevance to the Roman Empire. In fact, most of Roman expansion took place under the Republic (e.g. Julius Caesar conquered much of Gaul and invaded Britain, while being a provincial governor of the Republic); while the Empire was at its greatest extent in 117 AD, but still managed to function quite well for another 3 centuries despite shrinking a bit.
IKR? She just goes full cliche. Like the only cause that should cause the fall of empires was to stop expanding. Let's just forget about revolts, crop failure, piracy, foreign expansion that might clog important trade routes, civil wars, etc.
But the roman empire suffered all these things, yet stood for 1500 years (although not in its full form, because it's humanly impossible).
SO NO, THE ROMAN EMPIRE WAS *NOT* LIKE EVERY OTHER ANCIENT EMPIRE, MRS.LADY
+Steel Patterns
Right on! In fact, I even doubt that most other ancient empires (or any other past empires, for that matter) were, like she claims, dependent on expansion and conquest. For example, the Egyptian Empire (c. 1550 BC - c. 1077 BC) reached its greatest territorial extent in the first 100 years of its existence, but continued to function very well for the next 400 years, despite territorial shrinkage. All of this makes me wonder where Bettany Hughes got her generalization about ancient empires ...
***** makes us all wonder if she even wrote her own script, my man. Good to see another history dork around here. We gotta stick together, brother
+Steel Patterns
Good plan! "United we stand! Divided we fall!" lol. So, what do you do (aside from surfing TH-cam, lol)? On a second thought, I'll go send you a private message, about this, on here. Until then, check out my G+ profile. It has a lot of real info on me. Cheers!
+Steel Patterns
Just sent you a private message on here. See it at Creator Studio -> Community -> Messages.
Cheers!
My game looks nothing like that
Mine does.
no it doesnt
Rie Hinami Couldn't possibly, this is a render.
Take out the filters and it does.
Mine does too
damn if history class taught like this that would be awesome.
quinctilius varus give me back my fucking saved game.
Video game companies are now doing a better job than the History Channel at explaining history.
***** because the history channels has covered all the "real historical documents" time and time and time and TIME again. they play the crap they do now because they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel for topics they havnt already, at some point, covered.
Rome's economic height coincided with it's period of minimum expansion, and said height lasted for 200 years. It did not "rise and fall" on conquest
Romans faced greater defeat at the hands of the Persians/Iranians... the whole German front was to fortify the north in order to enable Rome to face its greatest enemy in the east - Persia. Persia needed to fall in order to give Rome Access to the riches of Indo-China and silk road trade.
Partia faced great defeat from Romans too.The late Imprerial Roman army is way over what Partia ever had at the time.If Rome wanted really bad , Partia would fall.
Rome had its greatest defeat in Parthia ... I am just saying not in Germania
Теодор Тодоров Tell that to Valerian ... www.examiner.com/article/how-did-the-roman-emperor-valerian-die
Daniel Bagheri Sarvistani umm, no. rome's greatest defeats were at the hands of hannibal (Cannae, 80,000 dead) and the cimbri (Arausio, 120,000 dead).
Actually perhaps true but over the long run I would still say the Romans lost more to the Parthians and latter the Sassanian Persians than Hannibal
2nd most reliable commander? Varus was a fool, and should never have been given the 3 legions. Tiberius should have remained in command.
In the time I think he was probably one of the more trustworthy commanders for what needed to be done. Which was mainly just subduing the locals and Romanizing the area. He gained a reputation for his exploits in other areas so I can't say he was a bad choice.
He gained a reputation for cruelty in Judea- he had 2000 Jewish people crucified. He was guillable- he believed the German tribes when they said they enjoyed being under Roman rule. He was arrogant. He actually believed that the Roman Army was invincible. As I said before, Varus was a very bad choice- Tiberius would have been better had Augustus not fobbed him off the whole time...
You know I was just trying to recall how many people he crucified, thank you for that.
Generaloberst Erhard Raus I like your profile picture. Who is that in your profile picture?
Erhard Raus.
this is cool I've been waiting for this
It's not a battle to be glorified it is a betrayal, for what to go live in huts with barely anything else, yeah great plan
MC Gibbs To go and live free, remember the tribes that were saved by the battle of Tuetonburg forest became France, became Germany, became Spain, became Italy and became England. Though he did not know it at the time, Arminius forged modern Europe in Roman blood.
+MC Gibbs for freedom and the glory of fight.Niemand will sich einfach ergeben.
I think you did an awsome job on this game its very cool!
Well, Augustus' original plan was actually to have the Danube and Elbe rivers serve as Rome's natural borders. I don't know where all these institutions that Augustus was just mindlessly expanding come from, he had a structured, strategic long term objective, and sure, the Elbe wasn't quite as wide as the Rhine, but it was still wide enough with natural features to make it a decent natural border running down near Pannonia.
Arminius was a traitor, he failed to realize that the Romans were his people even though his ancestors were German he was raised and trained by Rome.
u traitor?!?!?!? u must be kiddin there.lets make an example ,if i capture ur children,raise them as mine,but they still knowing that I tooke the from u with force and then order them to (kill attack or smth.)u.they shall hear to my orders killin their own father,rather than helping their own father attackin me.crazy logic
he never was roman, he was forced to behave as one.
weisthor0815
Who would you have more feeling towards, your adoptive parents who raised you and you've been with them all your life or your birth parents?
99batran good question, but only on the first look. you forget to take into account that arminus was of a certain age when he was forced to leave his parents, so if i was him, i would prefer my birth parents of course. and later on he was commander of the auxillary cavalry, which consistet mainly of german men, and there he probably heard of lot of stories about how the romans treated his tribe and others. he would have been a traitor if he had done nothing about that, but he did, and so he is a hero.
Guys Arminius was a loyal soldier of Rome until he saw how brutal they were at treating rebellions and simply wanted to avoid the same fate for the Germanic people
i'm still loving how this game is rated T while cinematics are M material
Varus killed himself towards the end of the battle not early into the battle.
Actually, according to the ancient historians, there was a couple thousand who actually survived the battle (mostly of the camp followers but also a few from the legions, not alot, but a few) and made it to the Roman garrison on the other side. So the legions weren't completely wiped out. It's simply there was no point to calling them a legion anymore as so many had perished.
I hope these "Historians" aren't from History Channel lol
JarxlIV The history channel isn't even history anymore. Was it ever historically accurate
JarxlIV Bettany Hughes is a well known english historian specialized in greek and roman history. Her cursus honorum deserves respect.
I just march in with an army of 15 praetorian guards XD
Hey, it´s that (former) guy Nussbacher, the one you would see in the old Military Channel documentaries like Top Ten and the like.
What is often forgotten is that later campaigns were led against the Germans which proved dramatically more successful. A man by the name of Germanicus successfully avenged Teutoburg forest.
They forgot to mention an important thing Arminius used a thunderstorm to his advantage in the ambush
I still believe One of Rome's toughest adversaries apart from the Germans, were the Dacians.
Battle only took 4 days. Four days is accually quite a lot for a battle, Cannae took half a day and casulties were much higher.
Psychologically, it must have been a nightmare came to life, to be going for four days hoping to get out and survive, but to die at the end seemingly out of danger...
Dang... I got all excited thinking this was a new dlc.
This video makes history fun
Sau geil gemacht!!!
ROMA RULES AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN!!!
Varus was wounded during the battle and when he realized towards the end of the battle that his men can't win this he killed himself.
Yup it's that simple. In the first 60 seconds of the video we here Rome fell because it stopped expanding. Rome stopped expanding for hundreds of years, because many emperors knew that further expansion meant an unmanageable empire. If you read even a basic summary of roman history you will find a long list of reason for why Rome stagnated and declined, mostly revolving around poor policy and overall bad governance.
It was internal conflicts that lead Romans to their own downfall. Emperor Trajan and Aurelius did conquer many Germanic lands but later emperors abandon them.
The battle was more of a slaughter than a proper battle. In the first attack many of the troops weren't even armored.
These are all the guys from Time Commanders! Yes, even "Lynette" Nucbacher. I recognize their voices!
One could only wish for the actual game to be even close to this
No army in that era could've survived that ambush especially with how deep the mud was considering they got stuck in it together with the heavy rain and how wet it was practically made the legionaries defenseless easy targets for the germans.
I WISHED IT ACTUALLY HAD THESE CUTSCENES
Bitch please the battle of cannae is still my number one nearly 70 000 roman was killed in four hours what a wonderful masterpiece of death Hannibal Barca what a genius you are
mate you have no idea what your talking about..
the battle of teuteburg was a big defeat, not only because they lost the legions. they lost the carts too. We then talk of about 125,000 men, if you including the slaves.
The next emperor then marched easily with even more troops to Germania and defeated the tribes, who won in Teuteburg. But the Germans were not fighting against him a real battle, but rather fled, and the supply from the rivers disabled and then these army had to withdraw, due to supply problems, the coming winter and evasion problems by the opponent.
It was a waste of money. so they didnt came again.
The Colosseum didn't exist in Augustus's time.
"keeping your army balance" mam I am spamming spikemen and skrimishers and destroying Europe atm.
I've been so interested about the medieval era like Rome and this 1 is very interesting and it's also a game
What a disaster. . .oh, I don't mean the destruction of Varus and his Legions. I mean hiring Bettany Huges to strain and mug at the camera as she narrates the piece. I love history documentaries but as soon as I turn the TV on and see her 'dashing' about as she tries to act excited about past battles I instantly turn it off.
Actually I've met her and she's extremely nice.
i will take over Germanic lands in the game, dont you worry
Hendrik Sauer how dare you insult Rome,
opēs est minime in Germania sed opēs est magna in Mare Nostrum.
Take the Mediterranean first bro, gotta get those trade routes.
lol yeah man
video games, teaching history better than most schools (not all, but most)
I gave it a last try. With all the updates, 10 or so official patches, hannibal at the gates update etc, etc.
Started a siege battle where I attacked a walled fortress city
As I attacked the wall, my men took casualties but eventually beat the defenders off the walls. Decided to bring my core unit up and over the walls before progressing.
Spent the next 15 minutes at highest accelerated clock watching my legionaries climb up one set of ladders, walk across the wall and then climb down another set of ladders in a never ending circular loop.
I have been a fan since Shogun.
I have several versions of all your games.
I appreciate how many new features you have implemented. I appreciate the effort and the dedication of your team. But at this this game is unsaleable. It is beyond hope.
The truth is, the engine cannot handle melee warfare at the level required for a total war game.
The UI is complex and ugly.
The enemy AI is terrible, path-finding, and unable to navigate the beautiful maps you have created. Tactic, inept the ai builds a dozen 3 unit armies and then attacks me, 1 unit at a time, rather than massing first attacking later, Strategically, the vast numbers of factions means Rome vs Carthage as example, is always disappointing
The features are unclear, such as how agents work, I still have little understanding
The descriptions are mostly generic, with the same text copy pasted for multiple units or options
The Unit cards are the worst i have seen. Pottery is not descriptive and there are few icons to tell you what is going on.
Way to many features have been implemented that simply do not work.
FEATURE CREEP = BAD GAME DESIGNERS
But at its core. Its just not fun.I really wanted to love this game, I have kept with it up until this moment but after giving the last update a chance, I simply do not want to keep the pain up so i deleted it.
I paid a lot of money on this, but I have learned my lesson. Next time, no preorder, instead wait for the game of the year edition with all the patches and DLC to go on steam sale. Meanwhile, i will re-install Rome 1, a far superior game.
The Stoics also had a high regard for the king of the gods. Seneca had this to say about Zeus:
"The Ancients did not believe that the Jupiter [=Zeus] we adore on the Capitol and in the other temples sent bolts of lightning with his own hand". On the contrary: by "Jupiter" they meant the soul and mind of the world.
All names are appropriate to him.
Do you want to call him Destiny?
You won't be wrong, for it is from
him that all things are suspended;
he is the cause of causes.
Do you want to call him Providence?
You will speak rightly, for it is
by his counsel that the needs of
the world are provided for, in order
that it may reach its appointed term
without impediment, and that it may
unfold all its movements.
Nature? You will not be in error,
for it is from him that all things
are born, and thanks to whose breath
we live.
The World? You will not be wrong,
for he is all that you see; he is
present in all of its parts and he
conserves both himself and its parts.
Lightning-bolts are not hurled by
Jupiter, but all things have been
so disposed that even those things
which are not done by him do not
happen without that Reason which
belongs to Jupiter ... For even if
Jupiter does not now do these things
himself, yet he has caused these
things to happen.
Wait why is she saying this is only ancient empires? Modern empires(every nation) live for conquest and glory as well.
Please History Channel, turn away from the dark path of Cajun Dynasty, Duck Wars, Storage Mysteries and Alien Pawn Shop and use Rome II for documentaries. Please...
I get that modern pop culture loves the idea of rebelling for a greater cause (like Germania ruled by the rightful German people) but it was a power struggle
a historian called Arminius a German with who has been Romanized enough to have a political ambition to start this revolt.
However I love the women's expression and her enthusiasm when explaining this.
Yeah, cause the game looks this good...
(Hate Rome 2 keep in mind) Says the guy with a Destiny profile pic.....
HeirofRome I had to change it as quickly as possible, someone hacked my acount and put an ass as my pic.
Teutoburg is extremely overrated. It did NOT stop the Roman Conquest of Germania. Roman General Germanicus invaded Germania, defeated Arminius, had him assassinated, then occupied all German lands between the Rhine and Elbe Rivers.
Roman lesson no.143, "Less is more"
I just learned so much in 8 minutes. Wow...
And perils you will be... if you keep releasing a game at this quality...
I was thinking that the voice of one of the male historians sounded familiar... then I realised it was Mike Loades!
Varrus was not "chosen to deal with the problem": you guys are hyping. He got his proconsulship there right after Syria (probably by drawing lots, as was the custom) and no one knew there was going to be a revolt. He was a run-of-the-mill roman politician, and was a bit complacent and corrupt, and that is what allowed Arminius to fulfill his ambitions. Had it been Germanicus or Agrippa in there Arminius would have stayed quiet, and waited till they had someone like Varrus whom he felt more confident about bringing his designs to bear against. Again, to restate Michael Duncan, this looks like large socio-political factors combining with the individual personalities of the people involved. But even after the death of Arminius, those factors were still in place, namely that Germanic tribes were just a bad neighbor for the wealthy and corrupt Rome. Can't be pacified - can't be left unchecked: you're damned if you try to conquer them and you're damned if you leave them alone.
i swear the only thing that gets done at CA is trailers
If only the Romans had won! They well may have survived the barbarian invasions had they conquered Germania!
what then? impirial overstrect would kill the empire anyway
Octavian wanted to withdraw to the Rhine as the Rhine was a very defensible river and it was very costly and time consuming to control an army so far away from Rome. This was a convenient excuse.
Sjors Bakker As the historian says at the beginning of this video, empires thrive off expansion. Had the Germans been conquered they would add to the Imperial economy and the ranks of the Roman army, and this process could continue as the Germans would gradually become civilised.
Anyhow, "impirial overstrect" never stopped the Romans from gaining the whole Mediterranean.
Tochtochtoch
You are looking at this through modern eyes. It’s true that plunder can bring wealth but occupation cost money. Germany was a forested waste land; it had no industry, poor farming and a violent and aggressive culture. To Rome, that meant years of expensive warfare against gorillas. It was cheaper to just let them rot on the other side of the Rhine, which is a very defendable natural border, rather than pacify and then develop the land at great expense.
If you look at Octavian’s policy, everywhere in the empire, he re-built the borders around terrain features. In Europe, this meant the Rhine and the Danube rivers. He then made an edict informing future leaders, never to cross these borders. Rome would be able to generally hold these borders for centuries to come.
Octavian understood that a good civil service will create the tax revenue needed to maintain a military and keep the people fed. He also understood that too many wars of aggression = too many Roman Generals with armies and delusions of grandeur who can then turn around and dethrone him. It was better to keep the armies dispersed and mostly under second rate commanders who were loyal to him rather than create a major field army and fight a civil war.
Octavian’s policies were very successful. In fact, the empire was able to survive the invasions of the 3rd century because of the strong frontiers and was essentially safe until the Goths crossed the Danube in the late 4th century and stayed. Once Octavian’s edict to hold the Danube failed and within a generation, Rome was sacked.
Now, the woman in the video is selling you the game called Total War, so she makes a point about warfare feeding Empires. But it’s not entirely accurate. Conquest can feed the growth of Empires but equally the collapse. Look at napoleon and Hitler, when they went too far and ended up losing everything.
Germania had nothing to offer Rome. And there were no good defensible territories in Germany, east of the Rhine. You would have to expand to the Vistula in Europe and even then, there would be giant gaps in your line. Holding Germany would have opened a wound in Rome’s defense that would have bled her dry. It was a much smarter move to let her go.
thats the same what i said but this is a good explanation
I love Rome :(
in game graphic never look like this but at least it's somehow closed
Honestly I'm so glad I waited to buy this game until about a month ago, that way I only know it as a great game instead of a buggy mess. Feel bad for prople that had to endure early post launch builds!
I don't understand why IGN put the trailer up now when the game was released months ago...
Looks pretty cool
Empires are apparently organisms
Kind of
+Jason Fenton no that's what the historian said
Damn, this betrayal of Arminius is worse than Brutus's betrayal against Julius Caesar, I guess.
Wazer Repoman Why? Because he didn't want his tribesmen to be slaughtered? In the case of Caesar it was about politics.
What is this song in 5:00? Amazing vocal...
Isn't Lynette Nusbacher that historian from Time Commanders who had a sex change?
Well I'll be damned!
those poor roman soldiers
this needs a legit show
Varus was a better statesman than a general
Perils of Franchise, actually.
Hmmm, a battle of 4 days? Who can stay awake for 4 days?
ya anyone is going to loose a battle when 50% of your army turns on you
If I were Augustus I would of raised the largest force I could and sent it to crush Germania and shown them the cost of rising against Rome.
Then Rome will be under siege by other tribes and lost
When is the full documentary coming out?
creative assembly should literally just recreate rome total war (the first one) with graphical improvements and leave it at that
the first one was so good. i jizz everi tim
Why the hell are none of these cool cutscenes (also from other videos) in the actual game ????
they must hire pixelated Apollo and the other like lion heart