Back in the day... we never knew what the payload was for a truck. Just loaded it until the bump stops almost touched. I wonder if that Toyota would be even close to the bump stops at 1400 lbs? I've also loaded old half tons way past the payload with feed sacks, hay and firewood. Never caused any problems, but I wasn't driving very far either.
Funny story, I was talking to a family member who has driven trucks for decades and worked with engineers at the Big 3 on new trucks. He didn't even know what payload was. And yet, in today's world, people really are being more safe than ever since lawsuits can be filled so quickly.
Yeah I feel modern payload figures are a CYA thing, which can vary based on the type of vehicle and how the vehicle might be used. I’ve seen sedans and minivans with similar payloads to a Ram Power Wagon, but given what the PW’s intended use and consumer base is, makes sense to limit carrying ability a bit more to ensure it works and survives as intended.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Too many ppl are lawsuit happy. No chance I'd ever exceed payload nowadays. You're asking to get sued into oblivion if something goes south out on the road and that's just on the civil side. I guess if a prosecutor wanted to, they could find you criminally negligent, especially if death or injury occurs. The days of load 'er down 'til the tires become the weakest link are long gone.
Good work on that Tim. Yeah makes sense they would be conservative on a payload figure knowing many owners add a few common accessories to their vehicle.
That grill needs a redesigned. The nose need to be shrunk by six inches and the cab moved forward by six inches giving the the back seat six inches more leg room.
It’s an ugly f truck. I’m a Toyota fanboy, but this thing is terrible inside and out. I don’t want to have a phone on me to run the infotainment either. Ridiculous…
in your opinion. I think it's a really good looking truck. My bet is that since it's on a global platform, there are other models or trims that "need" all the hood space, or when Toyota releases the EV Tundra they can claim largest frunk capacity. On another note, I just went and looked at the Sierra and it has ZERO space left in the engine bay... I'll be glad the Tundra has a giant nose for a little bit extra space to work on the engine 20 years later. Also, if this improves front collision safety, then I'm all for a longer nose. I do believe the infotainment can run by itself, it's just you have the option to run android auto/apple carplay, so you don't need your phone to run it.
Great info! My next truck will be a special order F150 mid XLT crew with 6.5 bed. I value the Hesvy Duty Payload Package (HDPP) which ensures the truck can handle well over 2400 pounds of Payload. But it limits your options. Thanks Tim Rich
You can see in the manual what payload corresponds to what trim and cab/bed configuration. I guess Toyota lists the absolute minimum payload considering the heaviest possible vehicle for each trim and cab configuration.
Thanks, Tim! I like that Toyota's numbers are conservative. It's really easy to overload all of these half tons. If you're using it to move anything it can happen.
They advertise a 12k max tow rating for the 22 Tundra, but that is a unicorn model. I think I saw it as the 2WD SR5. Ford and others do same thing. Same issue with payload.
I'm a truck driver and i noticed you didn't weigh at a CAT scale they certify the weight is 100% accurate and will even fight for you in court it's very easy for these no name weigh scales to be off 40lbs easy you can find CAT scales at any truck stop like loves flying j Petro or travel centers of America
Someone already mentioned it but the scale has a very small error +/- so the sticker is correct. Most scales are certified so they must be correct. BUT your payload is what is left over when you load it for the trip or everyday driving. That’s the number that counts. So it will always be lower than the sticker.
You did a video in regards to payload at a show. The Capstone with the hybrid battery had 50 pounds less capacity then the SR-5. I believe the battery weights 200 pounds. Why only a 50 pound diff in capacity?
I'm pretty sure those scales only have a 100 pound resolution. I weighed my Titan, with a small load in it, and the scale also said "6200 pounds" Think about how difficult it would be to maintain a truck scale with more accurate resolution, it'd be darn near impossible to keep it calibrated.
How much fuel in the tank? How much is it estimated at when sticker is made? My 22 f250 is 10k gvwr and 2698 payload, had to scale my truck to register in California and with me out, half tank fuel and aprox 75 lbs of stuff under back seat weight was 7120 vs 7302.
Scale weight is accurate to the least changeable digit. Here I would say it is +/- 10 lbs A 10,000 lb object would have an error of the display of 10 out of 10,000, or 0.1%. The total error in this case would be 20 lbs (the plus and minus part added together). In effect the weight could lie anywhere between 9990 and 10010 pounds weight. How Toyota may calculate the weight probably has the same error bars of +/- 10 lbs. This would place your measured weight at the high end and their given weight at the low end within 10 lbs, potentially. 5810 vs 5820
Off topic but I heard you mention a Rough Country leveling kit. Did you do all your mpg testing with the kit installed? I'm getting the same kit installed next week. Thanks.
Tim, do you know why the airbag/auto leveling feature is not available with all option packages? If so, would explain and include if aftermarket kits could be added to any crewmax with 6.5 box. Thanks
@@Pickuptrucktalk Yeah, I noticed on the build your own, anytime auto leveling is ordered and any TRD is added auto leveling is deleted automatically. So I guess they don't want to add and aftermarket would apply! Thanks
I would love to know how mfgs come up with the unladen weights for these trucks. Do they cross a scale at the end of the production line or is it just calculated based on option content?
They have charts that show roughly what the payload should be for certain trims and cab configurations. Interestingly, TFL's Tundra and my Tundra have the same payload number, however, the TFL Tundra doesn't have a pano moonroof.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thanks Tim! I wonder if all the mfgs generalize this somewhat? I was under the impression it was a more exact number for each truck. I drive an F150 Tremor and people in the Ford forums seem to make a huge deal out of the payload reduction a moonroof results in on an F150.
@@adamharriger5193 I'd have to check my older videos, but I think most of the payload numbers are mostly close except for Ram. They seem to have more exact numbers IIRC.
When a ford maverick xlt with sun roof fx4 tow haul mode has 1260lbs of payload out of 1500lbs advertised and a tundra crewmax trd off road has 1360lbs out of 1900lbs max advertised you look at the parts and go wtf is going on
It really eliminates a tundra for many camper owners especially if you were in the market for pickup bed camper. Lance makes a short bed half ton model but it’s a no go for the tundra payload. Folks that do truck things regularly won’t buy a tundra! Big 3 has them beat big time.
Interesting. Why do you say that? GM specifically says to not use their full-size trucks for pickup bed campers and the Ford I had last year had the same payload as the Tundra. The Ram I'm looking at buying has less payload. Just curious how you came to your conclusion.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Because you can buy the other brands properly equipped to do it. Ford has a heavy half ton option available. Even half ton fifth wheels are over the tundra payload limit based on pin weight but the others can do it.
@@taylorjackson7908 The Ford heavy duty half-ton option is the only truck I'm aware of that can really handle a pickup bed camper. That is a hard to find truck though. I've searched off and on for years and find just a couple of trucks.
@@xk302a Lance 650 camper is specifically built for properly equipped 1/2 ton trucks. The Tundra is not equipped to handle it. I agree with your statement if you were taking lots of long trips I would definitely get a 3/4 ton.
I could care less if I’m a couple hundred pounds over max or under. All these things are at an extremely conservative level not at a level that makes them unsafe. Lawyers write these limitations more so than engineers
@@xk302a I know Aircraft engineers that put an maximum limitation at 50% of a failure capacity… I’m sure vehicles at 50% but probably still way overkill.
Yep Toyota is conservative and they (like all others) build in additional safety factors when it comes to payload and towing. Do you really think that the weight of you truck came to exactly 5800lbs? It is unlikely and the precision of the scales you used will vary depending on the intended purpose. Most people don't weigh their payload or measure their tongue weight anyway. They guesstimate those figures and are probably frequently way off. If you think that you are gonna be anywhere close to the rated payload or towing for any truck (regularly) then you really need to consider the next duty rating up such as a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. If you are going to be approaching those limits on rare occasions then you will likely be just fine. People need to get their panties out of a bunch over this stuff.
Do you think Toyota weighs each truck individually? Maybe they have the weight of each option in a computer and just let the computer add everything up and spit out a sticker. It would be interesting to find out. It could be just a disparity between scales. At thirty pounds that’s just 0.5%. That’s an allowable margin of error. As you say, Toyota is very conservative with their ratings. If you go over the payload by thirty pounds will the truck self destruct or put you at real risk. I think there’s probably a margin of safety built into the ratings as well. That doesn’t mean you shout exceed the specified ratings. I doubt it as long as the truck is driven reasonably for the load unlike a semi on I80 with a 50,000 pound load at 90mph😂!
No I don't think they weigh their trucks individually. They likely have a big chart and just put generalized numbers on certain trims. For example, TFL and my Tundra had the same payload while TFL didn't have a pano sunroof and I did. Figure that one out. I think going over weight a bit isn't a big deal. It is consistently going over weight a lot. That's the concern.
so you have quite a bit more than that, I dont know what the tank holds but you said payload was with empty tank. and you had it full. could be another 200 lbs.
Does it matter........the Tundra is and over built 1/2 ton. I never had a problem towing anything with the bed full of stuff. It's an engineering thing......if it was any other truck it would have broke back Mountain already.
I think the payload sticker is BS. I had a 2016 Power wagon that had lower payload than my 2021 Tundra. Power wagon could handle double the weight of the Tundra and drove safer.
Same here with my Titan XD crew cab 6'7" bed. I put the same load in it as my 2014 f250 6.2 crew cab long bed and the F250 squatted big time while the titan xd only leveled out. It exceeded my rated payload by about a couple hundred pounds not including me but didnt squat like the F250 did.
Toyota is not "being conservative with their numbers". IF they were going to be conservative somewhere, they would do that with the GVWR and simply take of a small amount there for headroom, they would not purposely lie on what the truck actually weighs. I expected more from this video, 30 pounds can get lost pretty easy if you have jumper cables in your truck, different floor mats etc etc. This is a nothing burger.
I mean they might be conservative with GVWR as well right? And the 30lb difference was with the accessories Tim recently added so that’s why he referenced the 50-70 or whatever since that would have been the difference had he not installed them prior to the scale.
What Toyota and the rest of the half-ton pickup oems should do is follow GM. The stickers GM puts on ALL their vehicles are vin specific. The rest are not.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Ok…Thank you. I thought the yellow placard indicates an adjustment (usually lower) to the payload that’s listed on the vehicle information placard. Great content!!
Back in the day... we never knew what the payload was for a truck. Just loaded it until the bump stops almost touched. I wonder if that Toyota would be even close to the bump stops at 1400 lbs? I've also loaded old half tons way past the payload with feed sacks, hay and firewood. Never caused any problems, but I wasn't driving very far either.
Funny story, I was talking to a family member who has driven trucks for decades and worked with engineers at the Big 3 on new trucks. He didn't even know what payload was. And yet, in today's world, people really are being more safe than ever since lawsuits can be filled so quickly.
Yeah I feel modern payload figures are a CYA thing, which can vary based on the type of vehicle and how the vehicle might be used. I’ve seen sedans and minivans with similar payloads to a Ram Power Wagon, but given what the PW’s intended use and consumer base is, makes sense to limit carrying ability a bit more to ensure it works and survives as intended.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Too many ppl are lawsuit happy. No chance I'd ever exceed payload nowadays. You're asking to get sued into oblivion if something goes south out on the road and that's just on the civil side. I guess if a prosecutor wanted to, they could find you criminally negligent, especially if death or injury occurs. The days of load 'er down 'til the tires become the weakest link are long gone.
@@Pickuptrucktalk oh yes people are much more safe... Lol
Dunno man I had 2200lb of bricks in my 15 was not touching
Good work on that Tim. Yeah makes sense they would be conservative on a payload figure knowing many owners add a few common accessories to their vehicle.
That grill needs a redesigned. The nose need to be shrunk by six inches and the cab moved forward by six inches giving the the back seat six inches more leg room.
It’s an ugly f truck. I’m a Toyota fanboy, but this thing is terrible inside and out. I don’t want to have a phone on me to run the infotainment either. Ridiculous…
in your opinion. I think it's a really good looking truck. My bet is that since it's on a global platform, there are other models or trims that "need" all the hood space, or when Toyota releases the EV Tundra they can claim largest frunk capacity. On another note, I just went and looked at the Sierra and it has ZERO space left in the engine bay... I'll be glad the Tundra has a giant nose for a little bit extra space to work on the engine 20 years later. Also, if this improves front collision safety, then I'm all for a longer nose.
I do believe the infotainment can run by itself, it's just you have the option to run android auto/apple carplay, so you don't need your phone to run it.
Great info! My next truck will be a special order F150 mid XLT crew with 6.5 bed. I value the Hesvy Duty Payload Package (HDPP) which ensures the truck can handle well over 2400 pounds of Payload. But it limits your options.
Thanks Tim
Rich
Ford still builds them heavy duty!
Curious to know what the bed weight is on the tundra to get an indication of what weights of canopy could be built on it.
I'm still claiming my Mother-in-Law will put me over no matter what the sticker says.
Solid plan!
You can see in the manual what payload corresponds to what trim and cab/bed configuration. I guess Toyota lists the absolute minimum payload considering the heaviest possible vehicle for each trim and cab configuration.
Thanks, Tim! I like that Toyota's numbers are conservative. It's really easy to overload all of these half tons. If you're using it to move anything it can happen.
Payload was so confusing that even the camera couldn't get a focus on the sticker 😂
Wind was to blame for that one.
They advertise a 12k max tow rating for the 22 Tundra, but that is a unicorn model. I think I saw it as the 2WD SR5.
Ford and others do same thing. Same issue with payload.
What I’ve learned from Tim’s videos…Nebraska is a cold and windy place! 😂
Love the videos! Thanks for all your efforts!!
Basically, yeah. LOL. It gets better, but the springs are cold and windy.
That round number from the scale tells me it's rounding to the nearest 100lbs.
I'm a truck driver and i noticed you didn't weigh at a CAT scale they certify the weight is 100% accurate and will even fight for you in court it's very easy for these no name weigh scales to be off 40lbs easy you can find CAT scales at any truck stop like loves flying j Petro or travel centers of America
I don’t recall a CAT scale in the area. I’ll look closer.
I have a 2022 sr5 crewman with 5.5 bed with full tank with not a ton of options it was off more the. 250 pounds according to the cat scale.
Someone already mentioned it but the scale has a very small error +/- so the sticker is correct. Most scales are certified so they must be correct. BUT your payload is what is left over when you load it for the trip or everyday driving. That’s the number that counts. So it will always be lower than the sticker.
You did a video in regards to payload at a show. The Capstone with the hybrid battery had 50 pounds less capacity then the SR-5. I believe the battery weights 200 pounds. Why only a 50 pound diff in capacity?
Toyota being conservative and not individually setting up payload for different trucks based on options is my guess.
It’s kind of odd that the truck weighs exactly 5800 pounds. Does the scale go in increments of 100 lbs, 50 lbs, or some other number?
Nope. Just an odd coincidence.
I'm pretty sure those scales only have a 100 pound resolution. I weighed my Titan, with a small load in it, and the scale also said "6200 pounds"
Think about how difficult it would be to maintain a truck scale with more accurate resolution, it'd be darn near impossible to keep it calibrated.
@@jasonw8124 I’ll have to double check. I’ve weighed a variety of trucks on that scale.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Could just be coinkydinks, but looking forward to what you find out. The scale I go to always reports back in xx00 pounds.
I just noticed the Hybrid has a heavy axle capacity.
Awesome. I have same truck. Thanks for the info!
Did you factor in the weight of the garage door opener on your visor?
Dang it. Nope!
How much fuel in the tank? How much is it estimated at when sticker is made? My 22 f250 is 10k gvwr and 2698 payload, had to scale my truck to register in California and with me out, half tank fuel and aprox 75 lbs of stuff under back seat weight was 7120 vs 7302.
Full tank.
Can't believe how low the payload capacity is, might have to look elsewhere. Even my 2010 F-150 has a 1,700+ payload capacity.
Payload keeps dropping as they add more features.
Scale weight is accurate to the least changeable digit. Here I would say it is +/- 10 lbs
A 10,000 lb object would have an error of the display of 10 out of 10,000, or 0.1%. The total error in this case would be 20 lbs (the plus and minus part added together). In effect the weight could lie anywhere between 9990 and 10010 pounds weight.
How Toyota may calculate the weight probably has the same error bars of +/- 10 lbs. This would place your measured weight at the high end and their given weight at the low end within 10 lbs, potentially. 5810 vs 5820
But which sticker is wrong, the GVWR or payload sticker?
I need to go weigh my GX sometime.
We have lots of elevator grain scales here in central NE as well which would be close enough for me.
Off topic but I heard you mention a Rough Country leveling kit. Did you do all your mpg testing with the kit installed? I'm getting the same kit installed next week. Thanks.
Nope. I did a lot of my MPG testing before the kit.
Who knows if both or one of the scales where off? Even 1 % off is 58 pounds.
Tim, do you know why the airbag/auto leveling feature is not available with all option packages? If so, would explain and include if aftermarket kits could be added to any crewmax with 6.5 box. Thanks
Just marketing and product planning.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Yeah, I noticed on the build your own, anytime auto leveling is ordered and any TRD is added auto leveling is deleted automatically. So I guess they don't want to add and aftermarket would apply! Thanks
I would love to know how mfgs come up with the unladen weights for these trucks. Do they cross a scale at the end of the production line or is it just calculated based on option content?
They have charts that show roughly what the payload should be for certain trims and cab configurations. Interestingly, TFL's Tundra and my Tundra have the same payload number, however, the TFL Tundra doesn't have a pano moonroof.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thanks Tim! I wonder if all the mfgs generalize this somewhat? I was under the impression it was a more exact number for each truck. I drive an F150 Tremor and people in the Ford forums seem to make a huge deal out of the payload reduction a moonroof results in on an F150.
@@adamharriger5193 I'd have to check my older videos, but I think most of the payload numbers are mostly close except for Ram. They seem to have more exact numbers IIRC.
When a ford maverick xlt with sun roof fx4 tow haul mode has 1260lbs of payload out of 1500lbs advertised and a tundra crewmax trd off road has 1360lbs out of 1900lbs max advertised you look at the parts and go wtf is going on
It really eliminates a tundra for many camper owners especially if you were in the market for pickup bed camper. Lance makes a short bed half ton model but it’s a no go for the tundra payload. Folks that do truck things regularly won’t buy a tundra! Big 3 has them beat big time.
Interesting. Why do you say that? GM specifically says to not use their full-size trucks for pickup bed campers and the Ford I had last year had the same payload as the Tundra. The Ram I'm looking at buying has less payload. Just curious how you came to your conclusion.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Because you can buy the other brands properly equipped to do it. Ford has a heavy half ton option available. Even half ton fifth wheels are over the tundra payload limit based on pin weight but the others can do it.
@@taylorjackson7908 The Ford heavy duty half-ton option is the only truck I'm aware of that can really handle a pickup bed camper. That is a hard to find truck though. I've searched off and on for years and find just a couple of trucks.
@@xk302a Lance 650 camper is specifically built for properly equipped 1/2 ton trucks. The Tundra is not equipped to handle it. I agree with your statement if you were taking lots of long trips I would definitely get a 3/4 ton.
What about fuel? I would guess that a full tank weighs at LEAST 50 lbs right there? Or maybe a little less?
Fuel is included like I talked about in the video.
Would having a Double Cab instead increase payload?
Interesting question. Probably not by much.
I could care less if I’m a couple hundred pounds over max or under. All these things are at an extremely conservative level not at a level that makes them unsafe. Lawyers write these limitations more so than engineers
@@xk302a I know Aircraft engineers that put an maximum limitation at 50% of a failure capacity… I’m sure vehicles at 50% but probably still way overkill.
Yep Toyota is conservative and they (like all others) build in additional safety factors when it comes to payload and towing. Do you really think that the weight of you truck came to exactly 5800lbs? It is unlikely and the precision of the scales you used will vary depending on the intended purpose. Most people don't weigh their payload or measure their tongue weight anyway. They guesstimate those figures and are probably frequently way off. If you think that you are gonna be anywhere close to the rated payload or towing for any truck (regularly) then you really need to consider the next duty rating up such as a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. If you are going to be approaching those limits on rare occasions then you will likely be just fine. People need to get their panties out of a bunch over this stuff.
Do you think Toyota weighs each truck individually? Maybe they have the weight of each option in a computer and just let the computer add everything up and spit out a sticker. It would be interesting to find out. It could be just a disparity between scales. At thirty pounds that’s just 0.5%. That’s an allowable margin of error. As you say, Toyota is very conservative with their ratings. If you go over the payload by thirty pounds will the truck self destruct or put you at real risk. I think there’s probably a margin of safety built into the ratings as well. That doesn’t mean you shout exceed the specified ratings. I doubt it as long as the truck is driven reasonably for the load unlike a semi on I80 with a 50,000 pound load at 90mph😂!
No I don't think they weigh their trucks individually. They likely have a big chart and just put generalized numbers on certain trims. For example, TFL and my Tundra had the same payload while TFL didn't have a pano sunroof and I did. Figure that one out.
I think going over weight a bit isn't a big deal. It is consistently going over weight a lot. That's the concern.
Subtract the weight of the fluids. Gas, antifreeze and oil.
Fluids are included in payload number on the sticker.
so you have quite a bit more than that, I dont know what the tank holds but you said payload was with empty tank. and you had it full. could be another 200 lbs.
corrected, you said empty weight but a full tank!
Correct. Payload is always with a full tank.
Does it matter........the Tundra is and over built 1/2 ton. I never had a problem towing anything with the bed full of stuff. It's an engineering thing......if it was any other truck it would have broke back Mountain already.
I think the payload sticker is BS. I had a 2016 Power wagon that had lower payload than my 2021 Tundra. Power wagon could handle double the weight of the Tundra and drove safer.
The reason the PW has a lower payload is because it has softer suspension for off-roading.
Same here with my Titan XD crew cab 6'7" bed. I put the same load in it as my 2014 f250 6.2 crew cab long bed and the F250 squatted big time while the titan xd only leveled out. It exceeded my rated payload by about a couple hundred pounds not including me but didnt squat like the F250 did.
Lol don't forget Tim weight about 350lbs too. Jk great job on the information
LOL. I was outside the truck when it was weighed thank you very much! :)
keeping 2010 4.6 tundra d c 102000miles
Those stickers are just suggestions
Agreed, xk302a. If you’re involved in an incident or accident with the truck grossly over weight, what will the insurance companies be saying?
@@douglaswhitcomb9729 I was being sarcastic guys
🇺🇸 when towing or carrying.... with your family in the truck. Be Conservative! Very!
Toyota is not "being conservative with their numbers". IF they were going to be conservative somewhere, they would do that with the GVWR and simply take of a small amount there for headroom, they would not purposely lie on what the truck actually weighs. I expected more from this video, 30 pounds can get lost pretty easy if you have jumper cables in your truck, different floor mats etc etc. This is a nothing burger.
I mean they might be conservative with GVWR as well right? And the 30lb difference was with the accessories Tim recently added so that’s why he referenced the 50-70 or whatever since that would have been the difference had he not installed them prior to the scale.
What Toyota and the rest of the half-ton pickup oems should do is follow GM. The stickers GM puts on ALL their vehicles are vin specific. The rest are not.
Isn’t the VIN specific payload listed on the yellow sticker?
Nope. Only GM does that currently.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Ok…Thank you. I thought the yellow placard indicates an adjustment (usually lower) to the payload that’s listed on the vehicle information placard. Great content!!
@@Pickuptrucktalk Why do they bother with the yellow sticker on Toyota’s?
@@taylorjackson7908 the distributors put the yellow sticker on. That sticker doesn't come from the factory.
Here is the video I did explaining the yellow sticker: th-cam.com/video/4VptARRffA0/w-d-xo.html
Dude cmon 50 lbs is nothing. Women gain way more when you marry them!
Tundra is junk Tim, do us all a favor get out of that junk and into a RAM! You will not regret it
Surely you're joking.