The Right Guitar Tuner For You? - That Pedal Show
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- Everything you ever wanted to know about guitar tuners and how to choose the best one!
And lo, at noon of the fifth day, the world cryeth in (almost) unison: “Surely they cannot make a 57-minute video about guitar pedal tuners?! They’re all the same, aren’t they?!”
And Dan and Mick looked down upon the people and said, “For too long you have placed your trust in that box that never quite makes an open D and G sound right. Wise ye up to these teachings and see if thy blessed instrument may sing more harmoniously. It will verily take as long as it takes.”
Yep, annoyingly there is quite a lot to say about guitar tuners. From the obvious (it needs to fit wherever you’re going to put it) to the not so obvious (accuracy is at best a moving target), we talk about relative pitch, sweetened tuning, silent tuning, monitor modes, buffers and plenty more besides. Including 432Hz, should you be interested.
One thing for certain is that you ought never to look at your tuner in the same way again.
Enjoy the episode!
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Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• Sonic Research Turbo Guitar Tuner ST-300
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• D'Addario Pedal Tuner
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• Boss TU-3s
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• TC Electronic Polytune 3 Noir
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• Peterson StroboStomp HD Tuner
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• Dunlop EP103 Echoplex Delay Pedal
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• TC Electronic Polytune Clip Tuner
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• Keeley D&M Drive
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• TheGigRig G2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 00:00
- What are we doing today? 2:25
- Let’s talk about strobes: 7:52
- Display types: 9:19
- Peterson Strobostomp and TU-3 comparison: 10:25
- Remembering the Arion Stage Tuner: 12:01
- Polyphonic tuning? 12:50
- Silent tuning? 15:46
- …and non-silent, monitor mode: 16:45
- Accuracy - the really thorny issue: 18:40
- How do you tune your guitar? 19:05
- Dan’s Biffy Clyro tuning tangent: 22:15
- How accurate is it? 23:00
- Intonation problems… and why everyone is different: 23:35
- Mick plays a G#: 25:40
- Modern standard concert pitch: 27:20
- 440Hz is a recent thing: 28:25
- The harmonic series: 31:05
- It’s all a compromise and it’s all out: 33:40
- A 432Hz: 34:10
- Changing to pitches outside of 440: 35:35
- Let’s compare 432 and 440: 36:50
- Sweetened tunings: 38:25
- Presets in the Strobostomp HD: 40:15
- James Taylor, capos and acoustic guitars: 40:55
- …and why that is relevant to your guitars: 48:40
- Let’s not really talk about buffers: 52:00
- The summing up: 53:20
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender Custom Shop 1963 Telecaster - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
• PRS S2 Singlecut Standard - www.prsguitars.com/index.php/...
• Collings CJ35: www.collingsguitars.com/acous...
Amps in this episode
• Orange Tremlord 30 112 / Lavoce Speaker
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• Matchless HC-30 with Hughes & Kettner Vintage 212 / Celestion G12M Greenback
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Haters: your episodes are too long
Dan and Mick: here's an hour of tuning
You bet!
Don’t listen to anyone who says the episodes are too long, they’re probably Brexit voters.
@@thebossandthebeestonstreet9493 Brexiters tune by ear. They don't rely on facts.
This gave me a genuine chuckle
Haha, just clicked play, then said, wait a sec, and checked the run time... immediate like
You guys didn’t even talk about tuner stacking. I’m running 6 on my board.
That's all you need - 6 tuners into 2 metalzones.
Gotta get that ultra-buffered toan my dude.
But do they chug?
“This turner goes to 11“
I can't use anything with a needle, my sponsor said its too much of a trigger for me
1 hour of tuner talk... THIS IS A MUST SEE!
Damn. Right?
Willem Kerpel or HEAR!
I’ve frequently been frustrated by tuning issues on my Tele and eventually broke down and got the Petersen strobe tuner. I first did a complete intonation by fretting at the 5th and 17th frets (as recommended by Petersen) and adjusting accordingly while using their equal temperament setting (no sweetener). I then switched to the GTR guitar sweetener and tuned. An immediate improvement, I think predominantly from better intonation. Also, while the sweetener got very close, it still needed to be tweaked, and I recorded those offsets, making sure A was at 440 Hz. When I now tune the A to 440 and then tune to my offsets, it’s perfect every time. The take home - Petersen’s tools and methods have been a massive improvement, but in the end the final say say so came from my EARS....Thanks Pedal Show - while the topic may seem geeky and tedious on the surface, once done and understood it can completely transform the playing experience. 👍🏻
@@paulbtaylorpt if you are having tuning problems with a tele then SOMETHING is wrong
Only That Pedal Show can get an hour-long show out of tuners... and not suck.
This was my favorite episode. It needed to be done. Great as always
Phillip! Thanks man. :0)
He was being sarcastic
I want an hour on Altoid tins.
One additional thing manufacturers need to consider - colourblindness!
I really struggle with differentiating between red and green, making many of the popular choices useless to me. Can anyone else relate?
The StroboStomp HD seems perfect for us 'colour-inept' people, but what I really want is a cheaper alternative with colour options. Maybe not just for vision accessibility, but also for fun!
(I would ADORE a purple display to match my purple strat)
TC Polytune have alternative colour options for the very reason you've mentioned.
@@-b0j- Yeah I currently have the Polytune 2 Blacklight but they're discontinued, sadly. They have the black Polytune 3 models out but still have the annoying red/green display!
To be fair, most modern tuners also use lights that move in distinct directions/rotations to denote sharpness and flatness, so as long as you can see the lights, you should still be able to figure out how to tune. The colors aren't really necessary. Also, I've seen tons of old-school tuners that are entirely monochromatic, so those do still exist somewhere...
@@Smitty_Werbenjagermanjenson yeah that's a fair point. Most of them have a strobe mode or similar but I like my LEDs stationary... and I think it's okay to want that.
The same way you know to stop or go at an intersection. Go with led location not color
That is one of the most crucial bit on info in the video: when tuning, hit the string with the same velocity that you use when playing! It you pick softly when tuning but pick hard when playing, your guitar will always be sharp.
I'd like to think that guys went into tuning techniques as well as tuning toys. I guess I'll know soon enough.
Dan leaving the film on the screen so Mick can peel it off because he knows he’ll like it, is one of the sweetest things I’ve ever witnessed.
You don't get out much, do you.
@@57too You must not realize how satisfying it can be to pull temporary screen protectors off brand new screens.
*precision* is how small of a difference it can show you, accuracy is whether it's actually right or not
Perfectly explained, a lot of people don't know this. I didn't learn the distinction until I went to school to study chemistry.
The strength of the PolyTune's polyphonic mode is in quickly checking that you're still in tune; hit the button (I use mine in mute mode; audience doesn't need or want to hear you tune), shwang the strings, and as long as you get one green bar across, you're good. If it shows one or more strings are out, tune those in the individual string mode. Priceless for trem divers, heavy benders and others that really wang on the strings without a locking nut; tap the tuner between songs just to check.
Great episode. I learned allot
Is that any faster than a turbo tuner? Probably not, the turbo is fast. Really fast. Like a lot faster than the polytune, the response is instant , and is a lot more accurate to boot. Just not so sure you are saving any time here like you think you are.
Sometime I tune the G-string too quickly because of my nut........
I'll show myself out..
Being in tune is my favorite effect in a pedal. I played a stage show which favored red lights on the band. It was pretty nice to change the Peterson tuner to a green colored display that night!
The Captain & Danish Pete: here's a 20 minute video on guitar tuners!
TPS: Hold our beer....
By the way, Dan has shown the level friendship he has with Mick by letting him remove the screen protect on the Strobo Stomp... priceless
Mick in the first minute = my 3 year old every time I try to play guitar with her in the room...
Dude for real
Lol 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Haha
Right there with ya!
Moo
Same here with a 2yo :D
How can anyone get bored of how long these episodes are ?! there isn't one that these guys have done that is
“too long”
I love these guys just ace I could sit watch them for hours 👌
Got home from a party and was hoping to use this as a sleeping aid. I was wide awake enjoying the whole thing! Well done lads.
What's better than a TH-cam video about guitar tuners? A podcast about guitar tuners! LoL. Thanks guys, love what you do.
The older I get the more I am convinced that there are no absolutes in this life. You guys went down the tuner rabbit hole; you can do much the same for other facets of life. Humans like to simplify and categorize, it is how our brains work. Unfortunately, the universe doesn’t provide neat answers. Thanks again guys, I learned a lot.
Sitting in my bed, with a broken leg, an out of tune guitar in my hands and nowhere near a tuner...
Best reference to tune my strat!
Ain't that lucky!
Get well soon.
Dimitris Kovaios just download a tuner the boss one is free
@@nickwilson9210 Yup the Boss app is pretty cool. I only moved to the DaTuner when I needed a steady Cent readout to try the James Taylor compensated tuning.
PitchLabPro is a fun app too with all it's different modes and chord functions.
@@johannesdegen9225 thank you!
I learned a surprising amount from this episode! I’d only watch TPS talk about tuners for an hour. Thanks gents👍
20 years of playing guitar and today was the first time I heard of the 12th fret harmonic rule. That's why TPS rocks
Now is a good time to point out what I've noticed for a few years now: Mick's hearing is ridiculously good. Absurdly accurate. Has anybody else watched an episode and seeing Mick banging away on something killer only to stop make some (to me at least) imperceptible tuning adjustment?
Yeah, I notice it all the time. He did in constantly in the ATB vintage video, he's got a great ear for sure
Wow, I can't believe I spent 57 mins of my life on a guitar tuner episode... and yet feel both educated and entertained. ;-)
You guys rock!
Just a small correction; the polytune is more accurate when you use it in strobe mode simply because the strobe allows it to display at a finer resolution. To say that other digital “strobe” tuners are genuine “strobe” tuners is misleading. If it were a genuine strobe, it would have a light source and spinning wheel inside. The accuracy of tuning comes down to quality of ad converters and the quality of signal processing algorithms (fourier transforms etc.) to detect the frequency in a timely fashion.
I've wondered this as well. Like, I assume even the Peterson Strobostomp doesn't have a light source and spinning wheel inside. I find my Polytune 2 quite accurate in strobe mode, though I realize it's a display resolution thing. Good enough for me though!
This is absolutely right. Their website says the Polytune is only 0.5 cent accuracy in standard mode, but 0.02 cent in strobe. The TU-3W somewhat shockingly only has 1 cent accuracy no matter what mode it's in. That caught me by surprise. If I had to buy again, think I'd go Strobostomp over a Polytune 3 due to the known issues with the TC footswitch design.
@@metal571 if you're concerned about the tc switch just get a Tele. You'll only have to hit the switch once.
The Sonic Research directly drives the LEDs with the analog signal at the same time as it strobes the LEDs at the reference frequency. This is as much a real strobe as you can get without a spinning wheel. Not sure about the Peterson.
@@EduardoVelezIII Sure, but there has to be a digital conversion in there somewhere. The interface is digital. But in any case, nowadays, digital sample rates out-resolve tuner accuracy requirements by a huge margin. As such, there is no practical disadvantage to be tuning in the digital domain. It really comes down to the quality of the A/D converters and the speed at which your pedal can crunch the numbers.
There's a really good book on the whole tuning compromise thing: 'How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony and Why You Should Care'. It's very accessible to read!
On behalf of many people I’d like to thank you guys. This is so helpful. Insomnia is a terrible thing and I think you’ve found the cure. I’m predicting a Nobel prize for medicine.
Andertons: 19 minutes 22 seconds / TPS: 57 minutes 51 seconds #rabbithole (love you guys)
15 minutes of infantile, middle school jokes and innuendos, vs. an hour of actual useful information?
About 12 minutes longer than their average audience members attention span?(& half the info is wrong)What's that you say?
No comparison, just similar accents.
@@markferguson3745 What ?? Looks like you didn't get the joke 🖖👽
@@voxfazer9154 No , man,- I got it; just expanding a bit, no worries.Maybe a bit too much shade for the season, I admit.
I've been using a tuning fork for for my acoustic collection, exactly 40 years! Now that I have ventured electric, Gibson Les Paul's etc...I 'm looking for a good tuner. This post was so very opportune. Guys don't short sell yourself's. You guys make every topic that's an hour show one great fast, enjoyable 5 minute entertaining and informative masterclass video Thank you Dan & Mick!! Greetings from sunny Los Ángeles California!
Very sharp video guys, night and cheese ! ... felt flat on seeing the title but you tuned me in
Love, love, love it! I own three Strobe tuners and I swear by them. With the Peterson Tuners' Sweetened tunings, they assume that the instrument is intonated properly, i.e. with the EQU setting. Never intonate on a sweetened setting preset (with the notable exception of a Buzz Feiten Tuning System equipped instrument, if it has BFTS, intonate with the appropriate BF Sweetener as it contains both intonation and Sweetened tuning offsets). Sweeteners do work, and they are not for everyone.
Even tuning by ear with the 12th fret harmonic can be troublesome if the strings are old, or the intonation is out. etc.
TurboTuner supports user programmed tunings, but they are not supplied. I have added the Peterson GTR and ACU settings to my TT Mini 300.
And, Yes the whole band can be out of tune if they are using different tuners. Some tuners see 5c other 10c, but the strobes see .02c or .01c--unless you play with a pipe organ, then tune to the organ and pray ;).
An hour on tuners and just scratching the surface. Thanks, Chaps.
Great show. Would love to see more acoustic stuff. I remember being stunned seeing John Campbell live many years ago - the sounds he pulled out from a beat up dreadnought with a pickup and some gain was astounding
0:50 Me to the guitarist in the band: "Can you tune please?". Guitarist: "What? It's fine. I don't hear anything wrong with it".
Ruben van Kruistum “I tuned before I got here”
You must play with shitty guitarists.
That tip from Dan on tuning with the 12th fret harmonics is a game changer. I used to always use the open string. Just started the harmonic method and my guitar sounds better already.
This only works if you are absolutely sure your instrument is intonated properly
@@GrimYak No, the 12th fret harmonic is always intonated, it's the fretted note at the 12th that needs to be intonated
As with a number of people here, I assumed I’d watch a bit and probably turn off. This was a really useful episode with loads of information. I’ve taken away a number of tips and I’ve been playing live for over 20 years. Thanks guys!
Ah that’s awesome. Thank you Matthew!
The video descriptions are always brilliant. Nice one, Mick!
The anagram shirts are awesome! Now you need to do a wah show wearing “THE TOP WAH LADS” shirts.
Nothing funnier than watching Dan and Mick visually react to something when we can't hear them.
I doubt any of your real fans mind the long videos. It's a treat watching your videos and the more we get the better.
agreed. i'd watch these guys for much more than an hour a week...
I love my korg pitch black. I think it’s some special edition or something...it has these huge triangular bars of light for tuning and it’s great. You can see them under any circumstance, bright or dark, near or far. That’s my biggest concern when it comes to live tuning. Most modern tuners are going to be plenty accurate for live performance
Saddened you didn't get a Boss TU-100, but understand the requisite hire of Wembley Arena to fit it in would have probably made the episode very expensive.
The Polytune has different accuracy values depending on the mode: Chromatic tuning mode: ±0.5 cent / Strobe tuning mode: ±0.02 cent
Is the Polytune the best?
I love it when you guys (especially Dan) laugh, while the tail is still going, as you laugh in mute and it's hilarious!
I love how you talk about equal temperament and the harmonic series! Super intellectual episode this week! Fantastic
Im loving my new TC Polytune 3. The Strobe Mode is Excellent, and a quick strum between songs - let's you quick-glance, if something is a little-off. I also like the new Ibanez Big Mini Tuner. I keep a little Snark SN-8 in my Acoustic Guitar case, which also works great. You 2 are Legends . . . to make this so interesting.
Fabulous. Thank you so much for this! One issue I had with the TC PolyTune was that the LEDs were too bright for me. They were so bright that it was a struggle to read the display. I'm curious as to whether anyone else has had this issue. I replaced it with the D'Addario, which is quite good, although not as accurate as a strobe tuner. Lately, I've been lusting after a Peterson StroboStomp, but based on this video, I'm going to give the Sonic Research a try.
I've had the Peterson pedal for a couple of months now, after using a Peterson clip-on for years. I love the pedal! One of the useful things for me as a slide player that you didn't cover was the fact that Peterson includes sweetened tunings for Open G, Open D, Open E, etc, etc. These tunings are Guided Tunings, which don't display the note but instead the string number. Using the string number means that you can switch quickly from one tuning to another without having to remember (or reconstruct) the string sequence for each tuning.
As usual, I learned something useful, interesting, and entertaining by watching TPS 👍 Had my doubts on a show about tuners but gladly proved wrong. Certainly the reason why I’ve been watching for 3+ years 🙂
Quick tip: If your tuner is struggling to read the notes quickly switch to your neck pickup. Less upper partials and more fundamental makes it easier for the tuner to determine the note. The same thing applies for tracking in things like digital octave pedals.
Don’t do what a friend used to do and put the tuner after the chorus pedal....
I've done it. Confused me for longer than I'd like to admit.
"A friend".. You're in a safe space here, it's okay.
Well... It's fine if the chorus is turned off.
A true reflection of my life: cup of tea, 339 on the knee, actually excited to watch two blokes talk about what might be the most boring subject on earth. Well done for making it work! I’ve been hanging my nose over the Peterson, but my Korg pitch black has never let me down. Might fancy one of the smaller ones of that.
precisely what I've been looking for thanks fellas !!!
TC Polytune 3 is what I use on my 3 boards. I like that you can strum and see all of your strings that are out of tune. Plus it has a nice buffer built-in.
What position in your pedal chain do you put it?
Turbo Tuner also does custom and sweetened tunings, my favorite tuner. Fast and accurate.
An hour of talking about tuners? At first, I was like, “What? Well, I’ll give it a few minutes.” Then I sit fascinated for a full hour. One of the best videos on the channel.
Cheers Sean
Honestly the most interesting video about guitar tuners. Didn't think it was possible. Congrats.
Based on your four important criteria (I agree whole heartedly), I had just purchased recently Peterson's new StroboStompHD tuner. It is incredibly accurate first and foremost and the ease of viewing is hard to beat. I also have their StroboClip version which is very handy to have if your pedalboard is not with you. Also have their phone app and it's just as accurate as their others. Great combination, never without a Peterson!. They are #1 for very good reason. Thanks for the show
After reading thumbnail i wasnt sure if this one's for me guy's turns out i was wrong .
I learned alot more then i thought i would do. so thanks, oh also the look on micks face when dan mentioned should a band tune using the same tuner was priceless. Lol 👍
Wow. I can't believe you held my attention for the whole thing!
This was really fascinating!
Awesome video. I have never heard the term sweetened tune before but as they explained I realized I’ve been doing it for years. Pretty cool concept.
...ok so at 21:30 you make a great point about how hard you pluck the string being tuned...I was a pro touring tech for 20+ years, and even NOT tuning the harmonic and using the open "E" for example in a live situation ( meaning, tuning the guitar for the NEXT song, while the current song is being performed), I always attempted to mimic my guitarist's attack...it was a point of emphasis for us working together for years...it makes a difference...and I always used Peterson Strobe tuners backstage, whereas the last player I toured with used the tuner built-in to his Boss GT-3 effects unit onstage...
I always tune a string starting with a flat note. When my string is sharp, i make it flat, pull on it, then get it to the note I want. I think that you get more tuning stability that way.
House Mouse I haven't watched the video so they might mention this but I always tune up to the note to alleviate string tention before the nut. I haven't tried pulling on the string though.
Yes. Tune UP from a lower tension, helps settle the string over the friction points. Always tune each string UP several times until the whole thing settles, especially with a floating whammy system.
... and then go through all machinations of the song you're about play- bends, pulls, whammy dives, etc ... and then, check it again!
You would think this would be a boring topic but...an extremely informative video. I learned much. Hello from Nebraska USA
Thanks fellas I learned a lot more than I thought on this topic. Matching up the harmonic structure is key.
When I saw todays title, I thought 'light news week', however I found the whole discussion very interesting and somewhat enlightening too. Cheers fellas :)
The biggest thing you missed is that some tuners offer true bypass or buffering (ie, Polytune and Boss), and some offer two output lines so you can send one dry signal to your DI with no effects for post production altering, and a separate one through your pedalboard/amp first. That’s the biggest reason I went with the Boss Waza tuner, because it has two outputs, buffering, and true bypass, along with both chromatic and strobe tuning options.
I'm looking at getting my first tuner pedal. Seems like what I have seen and read, the Boss TU3 Waza is a really solid choice and I'm thinking that is what I am going to buy.
Still have an old Korg tuner from late 80’s early 90’s. It still works
I avoided this episode until now because I thought "what can this topic possible add?". Finally watched it. Amazing what I learned. I can't believe I put it off for so long! Thank you guys! Great episode!
OMFG! THE ONE WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! Because tune.
All of a sudden, Dan is playing 7th level jazz
Dan is a wasted talent 🌴
Not so suddenly. Dan has always been throwing Jazzy bits into his TPS playing.
He studied Jazz music at college in his youth I believe.
Oh wait. Did I just get baited and hooked over the detuned shenanigans ??
Yeah, I still have that old Boss tuner but I bought the Peterson recently. The Peterson is so nice when tuning a mandolin. Used their cell phone app for years before springing for that.
Greatest gear blokes of all time!!!!! Great show. Keep em coming!
Just got the new Peterson StroboStomp LE today. Came here while I reorganize my board to compensate for space.
I had seen the standard version on some of your boards on previous episodes and loved how big the screen is. I previously was using the TC Polytune 3 Mini, and based on your opinions, and the fact you use it, the StroboStomp is a worthwhile investment/purchase!
Cheers LEG ENDS
"A nan on a quad bike getting ice cream" 💀😂💀
Good episode! Wasn’t sure how you’d fill nearly 58 minutes with tuning info, but it was over before I even noticed the elapsed time. :)
I like Peterson’s GTR sweetened tuning with shorter scale (below 25”) electric guitars, but with 25” and longer scale lengths I go with the unsweetened EQU…just sounds better to my ears. I also prefer GTR for acoustic guitars regardless of scale length.
With certain guitars I’ve also just learned over time to tweak certain strings a little sharp or flat.
Fantastic and incredibly important episode. Great work!
just bought the strobostomp, love it!!! thank you guys
It's called a strobe because the input signal was amplified and used to modulate a lamp shining on the divided wheel. The strobing of the lamp caused the division markings appear to stop in space. To improve accuracy there were multiple sub divisions of the markings. The larger divisions allowed you to get from way off pitch to close at which point the small divisions would start to slow down and stabilize and you could fine tune from there using the smaller divisions. The so called strobes these days digitally mimic these concentric divisions.
I spent the middle '70s selling pianos and we were all taught to touch up tunings using the original Conn strobes. There were charts for each piano saying how many cents to offset each note. As you demonstrate low pitch strings tend to sound sharp as they're struck hard. Higher pitches tend to sound flat to the ear. So pianos are tuned with a "stretch" where the bass is set flat and the treble is progressively sharp. Very experienced piano tuners do this by ear, the rest of us used charts provided by the instrument maker. Electric pianos like the Rhodes or Whurly are similarly stretched. Hammond organs and most synths are not. So you can go crazy getting chords in tune depending on what you're playing with. I've long tuned the B and high E slightly sharp to make notes higher up sound in tune with Rhodes and sound "brighter".
Steve Kirby I apply the same stretch principle on guitar strings; based on experience it’s what sounded best to me.
I consider people who tunes pianos mostly by ear admirable.
And yes, analog synths can be problematic regarding running, an ever present touch of vibrato can help sweetening that perception and be easing for the brain :-)
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Friendly instructor = showed that pal
Office temp = oh stapled what
If you use any of these, you could thank me with a free T. ;D
I’m glad you told me it was an anagram. I would have puzzled over the thawed toads for a very long time.
What a beautiful Collings! Saving up for the same guitar with rosewood back and sides!
My Turbo Tuner is the greatest thing that ever happened to my guitar.
I’ve been using a Peterson strobe tuner for years, and for me- I’ve been using the sweetened tunings, and swear by them...
Tuners are so incredibly important- thanks for taking on such a daunting and personal subject!
Fascinating interesting educational BRILLIANT and bloody hilarious show! Thanks men!
Excellent video! I've got 2 Peterson Strobe tuners; one for my workbench and one for my pedal board, and they're essential for proper tuning.
"I can't actually hit you on camera." On camera.
I've been waiting for this. Headphones on...
TC Polytune is an ingeniously designed machine. The all-six-at-once function is not quite as accurate as tuning the strings individually, but when your singer likes to launch from one song right into another with a 1 second pause, it's handy. Tuning guitars is always maddening. In the studio I find myself tuning for individual parts (say, 2 arpeggiated lines that go for 8 bars), tracking, and then tuning again for a different part. Tuning is so important on playback. Live... as someone else said, one second after you start playing things start to go. As long as you're trying to keep it close, you're okay.
God bless you guys. Wonderful
I once attended a Phil X masterclass where he said that no pedal can actually make you play better, to which I shouted out: "tuner!" Years later I realized my joke may have some truth, when I switched from a TU-3 to a Polytune and found that my taste in chords and even improvisational style had a subtle but immediate change! I'm back on the TU-3 now, I feel more harmonically connected with it.
Hey! Have you ever tried to play along "castles made of sand"? The tuning on that song seems to sit in between Eb and E. Funny how I always found this song to sound great but never noticed that it was tune in a totally different way than the usual Jimi's Eb until playing alongside it!
Just a funny fact I noticed recently ;D.
Try tuning to 432 hz in standard tuning, it kinda gets you there, there's a lot of myth regarding that tuning but some artists have done it, some other song examples are skinny love by bon iver and california stars by wilco!
@@martinfuentes7260 :) yup I think you're right but my tuner doesn't do 432Hz so I have to tune to whatever sounds close enough to my ears. I think that's what Jimi would have done back then :D
Great show. *Summer of 1984* My first band, in the basement of my friend's house, had two guitars and a bass. Each of us had our own tuners. We'd all tune away while the drummer (his mom's house) would bang around on his drums because he's a drummer, right? Fifteen minutes later (still tuning) He'd begin to get impatient about why we hadn't finished tuning. Several daft remarks later we'd soundly ask him to refrain from knocking about so that we could tune our guitars. Three minutes later, everyone convinced of the accuracy of the finished product of our labor, we'd launch into an accelerated version of Paranoid only to come to a screeching halt because one or all of our guitars weren't in tune with the others. The whole process (complete with another round of impatient battering of toms) was to be repeated until someone had the bright idea to share the same tuner. At some point (probably to keep from erupting in fisticuffs) we began to go for a relatively in tune situation and hack away at the seven songs we all knew from beginning to end. That was the first time I realized that guitars were never actually in tune. The moment I touched my Hondo Rich Bich copy, it would go out of tune and upon checking with the tuner, I realized I was mistaken. Then I'd play and was certain I was out of tune but, upon checking... ... ... Infinitely useful video guys. A little late but, thanks for helping out the up and coming basement dwellers ;)
P.S. I have a Polytune 3 on my board and it gets me there good enough. I still squeeze the neck too tight when I play barre chords maybe I should tune to 432 to compensate ;) *joking*
Best timing ever I was gonna ask for this topic, I'm shopping for a new tuner !!!
Dammit! I watched 55 minutes before I realized this WASN'T about a fish sandwich on rye bread.
A=432, you just summoned Adam Neely
Lol, first thing I thought of when he mentioned A=432. Adam Neely 's video on the topic was really good.
Very informative. No mention of the humble 440 hz tuning fork - my 1st tuner back in the 1980s - still use it when restringing my guitars as a test of my "head pitch" - useful if you sing. Thanks again
I've been using the Peterson Strobo app on my phone per one of your earlier episodes, and it does not disappoint. Thank you for this painful episode. It was timely.
Only you guys could make an hour long video about tuners
Here’s the only tuning joke I know:
If you need your piano tuned, call Oppor-Knockity Tuning Services, but make sure they do a good job because Oppor-knockity tunes but once.
This is actually the episode I've been waiting for!!! Especially as soon as I saw that Peterson StroboStomp in your NAMM video. Thanks fellas!
A vid I did not want to watch . . . . but then. . . . . I realized where it was going. . . . absolutely brilliant!