Ep.192 | The Epidemic of Individual Hockey Skill - PowerTech Development Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this episode, Coach Eric and Coach Andy cover a recent article titled ‘When Individual Hockey Skills Become An Epidemic”. They go into detail on solo skills vs team based development, how skills translate to the game, and effective strategies for adapting at the pro level. They reference many quotes from high level hockey industry professionals like Martin St. Louis, Jason Bukala, Kyle Okposo, and more!
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Absolutely brilliant discussion. I was an assistant coach in a camp and the head coach pulled up a stat that said that in the Stanley Cup Final game 7 in which Colorado won the cup, Joe Sakic (arguably top 3 player in the world) was on the ice for 25+ minutes and had the puck on his stick for just over 2:00. That 5v5, power play, etc.
As a coach now the number of times I see an elite skating/stick handling player take a bad angle shot with a teammate poised in front of the net is staggering. The selfish, head down, mindless play is a true epidemic. Who decided that it’s cool and smart to shoot from BEHIND THE NET, or (as coach said) to make every pass a sauce pass? Staggering.
Great conversation!
Thank you!
3:07 I can so relate to Andy’s mindset. Not that I’m a coach, but when I’m playing hockey in my nephews birthday game in the ice I wear a Baseball hat, and when people ask me if I’m going to wear a helmet I get upset. And you’re right it looks amateurish. And even if your not a pro, you still don’t want to look amateurish lol
Put a bauer 4500 on 👍
This conversation reminds me of Josh Ho-Sang.
Can you post a link to The article or author ? Thanks
It boils down to GAME SENSE… in every sport…. Jerry Rice ran a 5.7 40 which is slow but he if not the Greatest Receiver one of the top to ever play…
Facts
What's bad is that some skills coaches are also assistant coaches.
Good luck making their team if you don't $ign up in $pring or $ummer to their camp, if you are super lucky enough to get invited. Goalies coaches are 155 to 225/hr. How many hours must I sign up for, to kiss the ring?
You have to be a phenom to make the team (top6 F or a top3D). If you're in the "bottom half" and you don't get invited to the $ummer and $pring skills sessions? Welcome to AA, or lower. keep working hard, maybe you'll be good by u18 (where every kid who makes it is pretty good), if you haven't been jaded by the system. Silver spoon kids have to work hard to stay at that level, so they are usually good enough.
Heard of a "elite" team where the coaches got to golf with the kids for "mentorship" opportunities. Just so happens at private golf courses where the silver spoon kids parents have memberships. Coaches don't make that kind of money. But, tell me that doesn't influence how they pick for the team. Of course that kid is good most of the time, but what about the glaringly obvious bad choices? Sometimes they make the team.
Canadian (north american) hockey does have an access problem. U13 elite teams? 10k/ yr? Come on.
Half the kids I knew who made juniors parents wouldn't of been able to afford that back in the day.
Yes, this can be a problem.
we have to figure out how to reign it back in and get out of the private ran organization and academy model and back to the community based association model. The only place I know that still does this and does it well is Minnesota. Hockey is still pretty affordable there. there are 0 in season AAA teams in the state. Everyone plays association hockey, the associations are non-profit and the rinks are city owned so ice time is affordable and most of the kids finish their careers playing High School hockey which is more or less free, just a student athlete fee which is for all sports for a given year and normally between $200-500/family.
The problem is, kids need more game play to be able to develop the intuition to be ahead of the play... there just isnt enough opportunities to play more... with kids being driven too and from school, there seems to be very little road hockey with their friends..our kid loves the practice and any game he can get in... so because skills training is more available thats what we end up with... ive thought about renting ice for invitational games, but where, its all really booked... kids want to play games more than anything else... i think development is a consequence of the time we're in, not a desire... in calgary, rarely is the weather cold enough to maintain outside rinks for any consistency.
Yes, this is why we focus on letting kids just play when they are young.
that is what I'm saying! the ODR is where the greats are made! As a mini-mite/mite coach we do station based practice but I try to incorporate a free play station and small area games as well as 3v3 scrimmages just to help get more of this. This last winter in St Paul Mn was awful the ODRs were open for a week, maybe 2. Hopefully this year is better
I call them highlight players, cause they watch the three highlights of the week and think that’s how the game is played 😂
Eric, there are companies that sell VO2 measuring systems for like ~8k. Would that be something useful for your tech?
He'd love that. But $8k is steep.
Anyone have a link to the article that they were discussing?
ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/2075073/hockey-habiletes-individuelles-developpement-jeunes
@@powertechonline thanks
all you guys are saying is true but most kids are not smart enough or care enough to listen and do something about it
Absolutely agree, but the game is evolving and they are describing it perfectly. The kids need to adhere or lose out. A good coach helps a lot.
I am highlights! And i rule my beer league!!!!!!
Kids follow trends. That’s what they do, and that’s what we did when we were kids. The difference today is that they can literally be sitting on the bench watching skill highlights while we only got those on Sports Center or CBC wrap up shows. It’s not that they’re “not smart enough” it’s that the adults coaching and advising them aren’t compelling enough or diligent enough - and the governing bodies of hockey have decided to tip the balance heavily toward “skill acquisition” and away from “tactics and structure”. This is the major liability of “central planning” to a tee and it’s the result of “echo chamber” decision making by the people who believe themselves to the smartest people in the room.
Starts with the parents and coaches (or adults more generally) focusing on translating this message.
@@QuantumRadii I coach AAA kids and most of them are too skilled for the level of IQ they poses and have parents who will defend them even if they are wrong, most cant be helped because of this perfect cocktail of stupidity...
Too many skilled guys played on the Pittsburgh Penguins power play last season. Result-one of the worst in the league.
That would be one factor, of many.