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@@BackseatYT Hey backseat didn't you say Sakura's rules are absolute and considering sakurai said they couldn't get rex into the game before what makes you so sure now
Jordan Russell he said Rex couldn’t be included in the base game so the Mii costume is a consolation prize, which launched with the base game. No reason to believe he couldn’t be in either of the DLCs
"Surprisingly, in more than 98 percent of simulations, our algorithm concluded the second wave of DLC will include Professor Oak and five Fire Emblem characters."
Wouldn't mind Professor Oak being playable, if for no other reason than to show he's still got what it takes to be a trainer or Elite 4 member. There's a dummied out bossfight against him in Gen 1.
"The roster has been a very weird mix with almost no fan favourites. But there is one more slot left. A male character, from an RPG, from a series already represented in Smash, coming courtesy of a publisher already in the game, that first appeared in the 90s." There can be no doubt. It is of course, Sigurd from Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War
@@icardian yeah, she's implied to be trans, at least with the Japanese context. I think all suggestion that she's trans was removed in English translations for the western audience (same with Vivian).
You were actually pretty close with fighter 8, both Sirfetch’d and Sephiroth start with an S, have 9 letters, carry absurdly long swords, and are from anime styled rpgs!
God, if this video ends being accurate, I can already imagine the army of math-based predictions and arguments over what should and shouldn't be considered a factor.
Looking at the chart, the 3rd row literally describes Sephiroth an original male character from a 90s RPG from a returning Eastern publisher and series. Something that Backseat knows that we don't lol?
While very obviously such a literally mathematic selection of characters won't have an impact or be a reliable tell for future fighters, I've definitely enjoyed this video as a fun 'what if' scenario. Well done
If we really wanted to go full "what if" mode; we could use this data and do a branching path style of selection. Then go for each combination of data points to determine who comes up the most and/or who applies best with currents events.
This could be the case with Ryo as Shenmue has recently become a joke. Maybe it could be Kazuma Kiryu simply for Yakuza being branded as the fun Shenmue.
ALink2DFuture people can play the game however they want. I personally prefer items off, omega stage, no smash ball, 3 stock battle. Really shows your skill at its finest.
Joker is published by SEGA. Atlus is only the company that developed his game, but they're owned by SEGA. So technically speaking, Joker does not come from a new publisher, just a new developer.
God my eyes lit up at Monokuma. It may be difficult to make a move set for him, but it’d be a dream, if my two video gamers mixed, my lif would be complete
Well, this taught us one thing: Even Math can't predict Smash Bros. N.B: If I'm in the universe this becomes true, I request to become a billionaire as compensation for the mental trauma.
@@Ratspressoh Now now, I'm not saying that this entire list was a joke. Birdo would make sense to be added to Smash, as well as Geno (Geno simply because Sakurai would like to add him in, as well as the massive fan demand he has).
If Ryo actually gets in, it would be so hype. I've never played any of the Shenmue games, but I've got a general idea about them and also gone through most of the Yakuza series, which is often said to be like a spiritual successor. Not that I'd ever expect Kazuma Kiryu in Smash... *cries*
"And, after finally granting the fans Geno, Sakurai is finally free... and fades away before our eyes, live, in the final Smash Direct." I just about fell to the floor, that was great. Was 100% expecting at least one more FE character.
Honestly I don't understand why you'd go with monokuma when hajime is *way* easier to make a moveset for, because you're more uninhibited with his moveset than with monokuma, because you'd have to have a reason that the character has that move. Which leads me to ask, what would monokuma have? He doesn't really attack at all if you're not looking at UDG, and even then the normal monokuma doesn't even have that much, meanwhile hajime is good at _everything_ so you can give him just about _anything_
Jog Swanson I’d say it’s probably because Monokuma is the mascot for the series. He’s easily the most recognizable and he has an interesting and unique design to him. They could easily give him some movesets that aren’t directly melee based, probably more range based like making poles rise from the ground (Junko’s “death” in the first game), using a bat (Leon’s execution), or throwing random knick knacks like bombs at his opponents (in reference to how many times he explodes) since he is a more defensive creature after all. Tbh I don’t know why they would choose Hajime at all. He has an interesting talent, sure, but he’s kind of a blank slate with no real personality or defining features outside of that. It would be much harder coming up with fitting move sets for him.
@@anidiot192 Agreed, tho I think Makoto is a little more likely as he is more well known and is a bigger part of the lore. Also I think a rep from the 2nd game instead of the first could happen but seems unlikely
Fighting Game/Platformer, Both, East, 90s, Return Pub and Series, Echo: Fighting Polygon Team from Super Smash Bros. It’s an echo for the original 12. Every stock is actually 3 stocks and they have the lowest weight ever in smash. No specials or grabs. I think it just makes sense.
Ok it took several days turning my brain into knots because I refused to let go of a certain character but I think I’ve settled on a plausible list based on the math. The Echo...s: While your solution is amusing, I feel that a) if Samus/Zero suit count as different characters than the 2 origin dates based on a franchise dramatic shifting in another decade doesn't work with the way reps officially count and b) if Nintendo is going to make us pay the same price as original characters for an echo slot, then it might as well be multiple characters. So the 80/00s rep is actually a “both”: Waluigi/Medusa. As much of an utter meme pick as waluigi is he’s clearly the character most suited for echo status and his origin sits in the 00s so make him taller luigi, nix the tether grab, throw in some of daisys smashs/tilts and let the internet implode. Medusas a tad of a cop out as we all know her moveset will be based off modern Palutena so her 80s status comes into question, but bringing back some of Palutenas smash 4 moveset is one of the most productive uses of echos I can think of. The shill pick, I mean the Female: I assume you know how much of a pain this is. Between all the nixed 00s characters that happen to be female and the lack of likely female reps to begin with I had to think long and hard about this in order to keep my most wanted. (to that end sorry, but I couldn't keep the secondary goal of an ambiguous female) Fortunately I found a character I kind of wanted that would work only because Nintendo does do shill picks. BotW was big, BotW2 will be bigger and Zelda will have a more important role in that than perhaps ever before. So lets promote that game with the 2010s incarnation of Zelda who uses the unused rune abilities from BotW, champion abilities and/or whatever else is coming in 2. The 80s: When you mentioned 80/00s my first thought was the prince but my second thought was the far more likely Ryu hyabusa. Platformer, solid moveset, good relationship between companies and one of the last big names of the NES era not repped: the only thing not to love is that it's another dude with a sword. The "both" that should have gotten in instead of byleth: I'm not sure if I care about or want Rex/Pyra but Nintendo will look even worse if they throw pokemon in over these two. Solid male/female duo from the 2010s, with potential for a wonky moveset, gives support to another upcoming franchise and would hopefully make it possible for me to play a xeno character. The platformer: I was going to cheat with Rayman if I could have found a 2010s female rep that didn’t originate from Nintendo, but since that didn’t pan out, I’m actually running low on new series and publishers…what to do? Oh wait, what about the second most requested western character, who happens to be a beloved 90s platformer who recently went through a massive revival and is fairly known in japan? Yeah Crash is totally going to be the BK pick of this pass with just enough gimmick to compare to some of the more bonkers characters. The character I refused to drop: Bamco has a franchise that's bigger than Tales/Tekken combined, has a game on switch and another coming, checks all the remaining boxes of male/90s/RPG and is one of the big gaming rivalries left to resolve. It's time for Agumon to digivolve into battle and show those snobby fans of tiny pocket monsters what universal ending kaiju can do. Agumon has been my pick since the "brave" leak and I think a character with the Vpet life cycle of growth would add crazy dynamics to smash. TLDR Waluigi/Medua, BotW Zelda, Ryu, Rex/Pyra, Crash and Agumon
Based in What You Said, These are My Options for the Pass... 1-Lloyd Irving or Velvet Crowe from the Tales of Series (Action RPG IN BOTH 2D and 3D INSPIRED IN FIGHTING GAMES) 2-Crash Bandicoot from the Crash Bandicoot Series (Platformer, very famous in Both Japan and America) 3-A Pokémon from Pokémon Sword & Shield (The Obvious Pokémon Pick from Nintendo) 4-Sakura from Sakura Wars (A Cross-Genre Game Series, the Dark Horse Pick and Promote Sakura Wars in the West) 5-Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear (The Star IP from Arc System Works, Fighting, Could Appeal to the Elite Fighting Guys) 6-Pyra/Mythra from Xenoblade Chronicles (The Surprise Addition to the Roster, They could use the Transform Mechanic from Sheik/Zelda) Honorable Mentions: Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden (The Last NES Star Needed to be in the Game, Platformer/Action) Doom Guy from DOOM (The West's Favorite Pick for Representation of the First Person Shooter Genre) Rayman from Rayman (Ubisoft's Star and Europe's No. 1 Pick) A New Nintendo IP That's All...for Now
Im pretty sure that was the joke, kinda mocking the lengths people go to trying to predict FP2. and also trying to support their odd choices (cough discount pinocchio cough). Also Danganronpa, Shenmue and prince of persia specially would be interesting choices. Though we definetely do NOT need another Pokemon and specially 2 Mario characters (one which only appears in 1 spin off out of 200+ games and has basically no relevance to the series or outside the smash fanbase).
I could honestly see Monokuma or a Danganronpa rep making it in - It's the series's tenth anniversary this year. - It would be the completely out of left field surprise pick like Joker was. - Tons of spirits and songs to choose from. - Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Sakurai also said he's a fan of Danganronpa in the past (though Nintendo picks the characters from the sounds of things so it really would be up to them, but Sakurai could have some pull. I still doubt it will happen, but I have hope as I'm a huge fan of the Danganronpa series and would love to see it in Smash.
i can see danganronpa getting into smash and it makes me really happy. there's limitless possibilities for what you can do. it would be cool to see a pokémontrailer-like monokuma character in the game, where you can swap between him and the other variants of him throughout the games, and junko is off to the side controlling him. i can also see the various protags getting in too. idk if spike chunsoft would want to bring back danganronpa hype, but it would be good marketing for them because i think they have a new game coming out soon.
Came here after Pyra and Mythra's release, seeing the math matching up with the current line up, then seeing the actual character predictions: "Had us in the first half not gonna lie" Was this a troll video to begin with?
This was incredibly made! The music has great timing, the editing is on point and satisfying to look at, your commentary and scripting is great, the math is smart, and had you talk about things for the perfect amount of time. While the roster doesn't directly please me, this is not your fault. Great video!
As much as I want it, I highly doubt that sirfeched is gonna make it solely because he only appears in sword and not shield, with over 800 pokemon to choose from and definitely some that's in both sword and shield, I would go for another mon myself.
Your mistake was that you forgot to include the most cold, heartless type of math: economics. What game series made a lot of money in Japan recently? Or, even better, Blyeth represented We're getting another rep from Animal Crossing. It has to replace someone on the list. And if we look at the year it came out... Geno is 1999 and Animal Crossing came out in 2001 so GENO IS SAFE. xD By that logic, we might lose Danganronpa as the 2000-2010 rep though.
Wahaller Bruh Monokuma is literally the best choice, even without biased since I played the games he literally has the best moveset potential out of every character here.
Should Atlus be counted as a seperate publisher or not because it is wholly owned by SEGA. I guess because most people think of Atlus as seperate from SEGA just like other SEGA owned studios like Relic, Sports Interactive and Creative Assembly. Anyway really cool video!
I mean, none of these characters are _actually_ guaranteed, he just outlined the categories that he used to narrow down the characters, or rather just set up what fighters pass 2 (without any characters) looks like. And by how he laid it out, it leaves room for litterally any character at some point of it.
Both The Prince and Ryo are some pretty interesting choices, and while I may have some bias towards Makoto Naegi as the Danganronpa rep, I can´t say I wouldn´t be excited for Monokuma in Smash, the one thing that makes me want Makoto over Monokuma in Smash is Monokuma´s lack of moveset potential, aside from executions and the Monokuma´s from Ultra Despair Girls, there´s really not much room to work with, also, Monomi doesn´t quite fit as an alt for Monokuma given how different they are. (Makoto could actually very well replace Monokuma and fill the same purpose of representing both genders, since I had the idea that Makoto could have Komaru Naegi as an alt, aswell as Hajime Hinata and Shuichi Saihara working the same way as Hero. Having all 4 protagonist can work as an excuse to uses items and skills from all 4 games in Makoto´s moveset, things like Komaru´s Hacking Gun, Hajime´s Rebuttal Showdown skills and Shuichi´s Scrum Debate skills.)
Makoto got taken out with one Punch? What makes you think he'd ever be a fighter? You can't exactly translate anything he does in his games to a fighter....also he's a fanny who will do whatever any girl tells him to do because he's a Simp
"Sonic... The Hedgehog!" Hahaha that made me laugh. Honestly, this is such a well made video. All the work that went into it is amazing. You earned a new sub
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15:21 dude technically sega owns atlus so joker isn't a new rep he's still sega
Jordan Russell if only there were a second video linked somewhere
Backseat Game Development I hope Shadow comes
@@BackseatYT
Hey backseat didn't you say Sakura's rules are absolute and considering sakurai said they couldn't get rex into the game before what makes you so sure now
Jordan Russell he said Rex couldn’t be included in the base game so the Mii costume is a consolation prize, which launched with the base game. No reason to believe he couldn’t be in either of the DLCs
"Surprisingly, in more than 98 percent of simulations, our algorithm concluded the second wave of DLC will include Professor Oak and five Fire Emblem characters."
Wouldn't mind Professor Oak being playable, if for no other reason than to show he's still got what it takes to be a trainer or Elite 4 member. There's a dummied out bossfight against him in Gen 1.
FINALLY, WHAT WE ALL WANTED
Professor oak would probably be hype
@@goggles8691 more FE would be very hype actually
Nah dude it's gonna be mii fighter skins
This is the highest quality shitpost I've seen in a loooong time
I want to like your comment but won't cuz its at 69
@@arikaaa69 You can now, it's over 69
@@gravity_cow gave it the like
who put it above 420?
@@additionalgamer4014 the same person who put it above 69
-Me: Can we have a new Fighters Pass?
-Backseat Game Dev.: We have a Fighters Pass at Home
Fighters Pass at Home: 24:38
I'll take Geno and Sir Fetch'd, thank you.
im just getting sirfectched
I'll take Sir Fetch'd & Monokuma.
@@Ratspressoh just Geno for me
I`ll take the prince and Ryo please.
Me: *looks at thumbnail*
Me: ah yes, the 2 genders. Male and Japan
oh yeah because clearly 59,7% + 87.2% = 100%
@@alexandremenino2006 do you feel brilliant yet?
@@limitless_j im feling ol rait
edit: im not a nativ speker sory if i spel rong
edit2: obviously im not that idiot ok
@@alexandremenino2006 He meant that there were two
@@alexandremenino2006 r/woosh
"The roster has been a very weird mix with almost no fan favourites. But there is one more slot left. A male character, from an RPG, from a series already represented in Smash, coming courtesy of a publisher already in the game, that first appeared in the 90s."
There can be no doubt.
It is of course, Sigurd from Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War
HAHAHAHAHHA
I was legitimately expecting that bait and switch.
Tauros
BVB I would love to have Sigurd in Smash, as a skin for Marth at least.
Oh yeah that would be awesome!
Backseat:Now with math I conclude the first fighter will be birdo
Sakurai:she's from arms right?
The prince is from Minecraft right?
Sirfetch’d is from Final Fantasy Vll, right?
Then again, he has a sword
@@sangkim6556 i think thats just so they don't have to put geno in, it checks out
@@jvpro2076 bruh it’s a joke
@@sangkim6556 serperoth checks all of genos boxes though
>comes to watch a video on Smash predictions
"Who's this dumbo who put - oh that's my video."
If that bird on duck hunt’s alt actually isn’t a female mallard I’m not gonna be happy Alax!
ALAX SEND CAT PICS PLEASE
RelaxAlax hi 👋
What’s good dad
Wait, you're the reason this is blowing up! On an unrelated note, aren't cats more apathetic than math could ever hope to be?
I hate everything about it, that's how I know it is accurate
Russell Midgley meh, birdo is a dude so it’s 5/6 accurate
@@FieryCoal Birdo is referred to as female actually.
That’s my profile picture
@@TheLugiaSong Isn't Birdo gay or trans or something?
@@icardian yeah, she's implied to be trans, at least with the Japanese context. I think all suggestion that she's trans was removed in English translations for the western audience (same with Vivian).
You were actually pretty close with fighter 8, both Sirfetch’d and Sephiroth start with an S, have 9 letters, carry absurdly long swords, and are from anime styled rpgs!
The only thing is that there is a 0% chance of there being an echo since Sakurai said fighters pass wouldn't include echoes.
LOOKS LIKE BIRDO IS GETTING HER OWN MOVESET BOYS! *fires party popper*
SHE CAN SHOOT EGGS.
@@BackseatYT more like Party pooper.
I hope birdo gets in game and gets a moveset that would be incredible
Yeah, I find it kinda hard to envision how Birdo would work as a Yoshi echo.
Never before have I wanted a person to be wrong more than in this moment
S ame
Math is never wrong, didn't you learn anything?
I understand the math, but I do agree, the specific picks were a bit underwhelming and they could have been altered
@@a.cummings1965 yeah I think impa could be a good female pick for example
It must be accurate then lol
God, if this video ends being accurate, I can already imagine the army of math-based predictions and arguments over what should and shouldn't be considered a factor.
Well, this video became so acurrate so far
nope, not all
“A stampede breaks out in the Nintendo store in New York, killing 3 people”
But it's all worth it
He's been a long-requested fighter by fans for God's sake!
It was definitely worth it for Genos from one punch man
... Wait a second
This is one of the most advanced shitpost videos I’ve ever seen lol
Math never worked for Andrew Yang, no surprise it won't work with Smash either. 😟
Ikr
Dedication
Dedededication
Dededededication
Looking at the chart, the 3rd row literally describes Sephiroth an original male character from a 90s RPG from a returning Eastern publisher and series. Something that Backseat knows that we don't lol?
This is the longest and most thought out satire I’ve seen
Same
The amount of effort put into this is astounding. I'm not even mad that the picks are jebates honestly.
23:53 for a second I thought this whole video was a set up just for you to say "it'll end with another Fire Emblem character".
The temptation was there.
I cant believe someone that puts this much effort into videos and produces really high quality content is not more known, Great video man
Thank you! Sharing it around would help me correct that situation! 😉
RIGHT?!? This is the first video of his I watched and I already subbed
@@jawadelghaddaf6896 same here! 😀
The interpretation of stats is almost arbitrary. This isn't by the math, it's somewhat informed by stats.
@@BackseatYT hey dude I have a question, how would ryo from shenmue be in smash if shenmue wasn't released on a Nintendo system
Sakurai: And we're not talking about echo fighters.
BGD: Imma pretend I didn't hear that.
Birdo still fits all the boxes and could easily be an original, non echo fighter
@@jynxx1997 in the same way isabelle's not an echo fighter I like it
"Geno will be in smash"
As a mii fighter costume.
While very obviously such a literally mathematic selection of characters won't have an impact or be a reliable tell for future fighters, I've definitely enjoyed this video as a fun 'what if' scenario. Well done
That’s the goal!
If we really wanted to go full "what if" mode; we could use this data and do a branching path style of selection. Then go for each combination of data points to determine who comes up the most and/or who applies best with currents events.
how DARE YOU question math!?
"No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game!"
“Something as devoid of emotion as possible, math!”
Game and Watch: NINE
The maths were well done but the predictions theirselves could have been a bit better, keep it going you funky dudes
I’m always keeping it funky
The channel is kind of a joke, and you kinda forget that through out most of the video.
It all comes flooding back when they make predictions though.
@@ShadeKirby500 the video is kinda ment to be a joke get it right
i cant believe you guys are arguing with the math
how foolish
@@knack3381 "the math is never wrong, it's always right. Also please add Waluigi." Albert Einstein
“Shooter, Social Sim”
Me: School shooter
“Danganronpa”
Me: Close enough
nice
Just like in a school shooting, lots of teens die in Danganronpa
Its Pico from Newgrounds!
UncomfortablyClose we got joker so still it works
@@FreshGarbage0 your age is showing
i love how he says "start with disappointment" and immediately highlights the fact that it has to be a female character
Really? It kinda sounds like you don't love it.
"byleth, representing fire emblem... and disappointment, both of which were already in smash"
I love how it all turned into a huge meme when the math machine gave us such beautiful reps as birdo
If this is the final pick of characters I’m literally burning my switch
ok....
Ok. Have fun with ruining your console just because a few characters got in an overall great game.
You could just not buy the fighters that you don’t like
Guys I think it was ................................. a joke
@@red9933 Lil biiiiiiiiit
“Byleth of course represents Fire Emblem and Disappointment, both of which were already represented in Smash.”
Coincidentally both by Corrin
A legacy she continues in Ultimate
I was on board with this until he said "Prince of Persia"
I’m with you...
thats how math works
It’s all jokes
Except geno!
We don’t joke about that!
Mathematically
Weird half colour teddy bear things that will cause riots
"Is this some kind of early April fools joke?"
This could be the case with Ryo as Shenmue has recently become a joke. Maybe it could be Kazuma Kiryu simply for Yakuza being branded as the fun Shenmue.
@@MatanVil How?
In his final smash, greninja becomes Ash greninja, which is 100%male
Also Lucario is almost officially the one from the anime movie, which was male.
:( Guess it's cooler for Pokémon fans but i liked normal greninja a Lot more
Just turn final smash off.
@@wrpen99 No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game!
ALink2DFuture people can play the game however they want. I personally prefer items off, omega stage, no smash ball, 3 stock battle. Really shows your skill at its finest.
Delzethin: Try not to think in terms of "reps"
Backseat Game Development: No, no I don't think I will
Spoilers to the video:
“It’s Geno.”
Me: Yeah, that’s what they all say.
We know better now
Imagine Sakurai actually doing maths to determine who he adds 😂
If he does he counts in binary while he calculates it
@@codystork3008 "Mr sakurai who's the next fighter? Mr sakurai why are you flipping me off"
i mean, obviously he does
@@codystork3008 he did tease Byleth using binary, so yeah. This man...
Sakurai calculating: *_Puts up gang signs_*
Joker is published by SEGA. Atlus is only the company that developed his game, but they're owned by SEGA.
So technically speaking, Joker does not come from a new publisher, just a new developer.
Just go to the Joker Pack in the eShop.
It clearly says "Atlus"
@@jvbon646 I'm just gonna say Joker is a Returning Newcomer publisher.
Atlus is owned by SEGA
Makes... sense. A part from the echo part because they said "No Echo is gonna be a DLC" but Birdo could be a Roy/Isabelle/Ken thing.
God my eyes lit up at Monokuma. It may be difficult to make a move set for him, but it’d be a dream, if my two video gamers mixed, my lif would be complete
Can I get Nagito in the game? Please? I’ll give my liver
@@musekek3935 Heart? Head? Anything.
Monokuma and Geno in smash would make me one very happy gamer
Musekek Nagito will get a mii costume so he can be with Sans once again
one of his movesets could be how he killed Mukuro with the spear thing
2:09 the various things they represent
Mario: *can lift a penguin*
That's definitely exactly my first thought hearing the name "Mario"
Well, this taught us one thing: Even Math can't predict Smash Bros.
N.B: If I'm in the universe this becomes true, I request to become a billionaire as compensation for the mental trauma.
This upsets me that this doesn’t have thousands on thousands of views. This is phenomenally done
calm down this video is so new, wait a bit.
"Byleth reps fire emblem and disapointment"
ooooof
"both of which were already represented in smash"
Kermit: "Hmm, you know it amazing. You are 100% wrong. I mean nothing you've said has been right."
Man said "Prince of Persia" aaannndd this was a big joke.
Yeah, that makes no sense at all. I don't know how he came to that conclusion.
I'll take Geno and Sir Fetch'd, thank you.
@@Ratspressoh Now now, I'm not saying that this entire list was a joke. Birdo would make sense to be added to Smash, as well as Geno (Geno simply because Sakurai would like to add him in, as well as the massive fan demand he has).
Prince of Persia was the least dumb pick of this list.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 "I don't know how he came to that conclusion."
Ah, so you didn't watch the video then.
There are only two genders:
• Male
• *Japan*
What about mail?
@@DANCERcow that's three genders now
There's two kinds of people in this world: Those who are male and those from Japan. Sakurai is from Japan.
-Clint Eastwood
Actually it’s three:
•Male
•Japan
•Dr. Mario
Refrigerator.
"Instead of ending with disappointment, they're gonna start with one"
Well, he wasn't wrong for the most part
Ryo would actually be SICK. LOLOL
RogersBase Get that voice actor more work!
If Ryo actually gets in, it would be so hype. I've never played any of the Shenmue games, but I've got a general idea about them and also gone through most of the Yakuza series, which is often said to be like a spiritual successor.
Not that I'd ever expect Kazuma Kiryu in Smash... *cries*
That would be so awesome!
This totally has nothing to do with the math but I appreciate the persona background music
This didn't age quite so well...
It actually blew my socks off when he revealed the Danganronpa one lol
"And, after finally granting the fans Geno, Sakurai is finally free... and fades away before our eyes, live, in the final Smash Direct."
I just about fell to the floor, that was great. Was 100% expecting at least one more FE character.
Joshua S.G.G. Wyrs from Fire Emblem Heroes
Sufyu Surayma 😂😂😂 yes it was a joke. I know that wyrs isn’t actually from heroes. The funny is how “featured” he is in heroes.
*Sees Danganronpa as a rep*
YES FINALLY THE MATH TELLS MONOKUMA AS A POSSIBLE INCLUSION. For reals I would love the ost to be in Smash
Honestly I don't understand why you'd go with monokuma when hajime is *way* easier to make a moveset for, because you're more uninhibited with his moveset than with monokuma, because you'd have to have a reason that the character has that move. Which leads me to ask, what would monokuma have? He doesn't really attack at all if you're not looking at UDG, and even then the normal monokuma doesn't even have that much, meanwhile hajime is good at _everything_ so you can give him just about _anything_
Jog Swanson I’d say it’s probably because Monokuma is the mascot for the series. He’s easily the most recognizable and he has an interesting and unique design to him. They could easily give him some movesets that aren’t directly melee based, probably more range based like making poles rise from the ground (Junko’s “death” in the first game), using a bat (Leon’s execution), or throwing random knick knacks like bombs at his opponents (in reference to how many times he explodes) since he is a more defensive creature after all.
Tbh I don’t know why they would choose Hajime at all. He has an interesting talent, sure, but he’s kind of a blank slate with no real personality or defining features outside of that. It would be much harder coming up with fitting move sets for him.
lets be honest, danganronpa will never be in smash, *never*
Ok then, just answer this simple question: does Danganronpa have games on Nintendo?
@@anidiot192 Agreed, tho I think Makoto is a little more likely as he is more well known and is a bigger part of the lore. Also I think a rep from the 2nd game instead of the first could happen but seems unlikely
"Everyone's favorite handsome bird"
Me: " YES ITS CORVIKNIGHT"
*immediate disappointment*
Me to
BRUH I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
The disappointment is just further confirmation it will happen.
As I am pretty sure if we do the math, a majority of characters invoked major feelings of disappointment upon their reveal.
Revali
KH Fans: we want sora!
Square enix: Sure!
Nintendo: Alright!
Disney: *Breaks out Laughing*
I'm pretty sure Disney doesn't have claim to Sora since he's an original Square Enix character. I could be wrong though.
Disney half the profit of all games sold or no deal.
@@365dayslater9 Disney does own half the rights to sora unfortunately
@@365dayslater9 someone from Nintendo or square enix have actually confirmed that Disney denied access to sora already.
@@TBK7913 obviously they are just ganna make sure than take out half his character model and replace it with a giant middle finger
"pure irrefutible mathematics"
*angry stats sounds*
He used quite the opposite, actually... Using this kind of math on the roster alone would DEFINITELY not yield the Fighter's Pass we have now.
What characters would YOU include based on our findings in this video? Reply to this comment and let me know!
Rayman please the prince of persia spot is close enough just steal the invite Rayman please
Fighting Game/Platformer, Both, East, 90s, Return Pub and Series, Echo:
Fighting Polygon Team from Super Smash Bros. It’s an echo for the original 12. Every stock is actually 3 stocks and they have the lowest weight ever in smash. No specials or grabs. I think it just makes sense.
Rayman IS possible with the numbers. The rest of the Fighters Pass just gets tricky to make work, but not out of the question! Keep up hope.
Ok it took several days turning my brain into knots because I refused to let go of a certain character but I think I’ve settled on a plausible list based on the math.
The Echo...s: While your solution is amusing, I feel that a) if Samus/Zero suit count as different characters than the 2 origin dates based on a franchise dramatic shifting in another decade doesn't work with the way reps officially count and b) if Nintendo is going to make us pay the same price as original characters for an echo slot, then it might as well be multiple characters. So the 80/00s rep is actually a “both”: Waluigi/Medusa. As much of an utter meme pick as waluigi is he’s clearly the character most suited for echo status and his origin sits in the 00s so make him taller luigi, nix the tether grab, throw in some of daisys smashs/tilts and let the internet implode. Medusas a tad of a cop out as we all know her moveset will be based off modern Palutena so her 80s status comes into question, but bringing back some of Palutenas smash 4 moveset is one of the most productive uses of echos I can think of.
The shill pick, I mean the Female: I assume you know how much of a pain this is. Between all the nixed 00s characters that happen to be female and the lack of likely female reps to begin with I had to think long and hard about this in order to keep my most wanted. (to that end sorry, but I couldn't keep the secondary goal of an ambiguous female) Fortunately I found a character I kind of wanted that would work only because Nintendo does do shill picks. BotW was big, BotW2 will be bigger and Zelda will have a more important role in that than perhaps ever before. So lets promote that game with the 2010s incarnation of Zelda who uses the unused rune abilities from BotW, champion abilities and/or whatever else is coming in 2.
The 80s: When you mentioned 80/00s my first thought was the prince but my second thought was the far more likely Ryu hyabusa. Platformer, solid moveset, good relationship between companies and one of the last big names of the NES era not repped: the only thing not to love is that it's another dude with a sword.
The "both" that should have gotten in instead of byleth: I'm not sure if I care about or want Rex/Pyra but Nintendo will look even worse if they throw pokemon in over these two. Solid male/female duo from the 2010s, with potential for a wonky moveset, gives support to another upcoming franchise and would hopefully make it possible for me to play a xeno character.
The platformer: I was going to cheat with Rayman if I could have found a 2010s female rep that didn’t originate from Nintendo, but since that didn’t pan out, I’m actually running low on new series and publishers…what to do? Oh wait, what about the second most requested western character, who happens to be a beloved 90s platformer who recently went through a massive revival and is fairly known in japan? Yeah Crash is totally going to be the BK pick of this pass with just enough gimmick to compare to some of the more bonkers characters.
The character I refused to drop: Bamco has a franchise that's bigger than Tales/Tekken combined, has a game on switch and another coming, checks all the remaining boxes of male/90s/RPG and is one of the big gaming rivalries left to resolve. It's time for Agumon to digivolve into battle and show those snobby fans of tiny pocket monsters what universal ending kaiju can do. Agumon has been my pick since the "brave" leak and I think a character with the Vpet life cycle of growth would add crazy dynamics to smash.
TLDR Waluigi/Medua, BotW Zelda, Ryu, Rex/Pyra, Crash and Agumon
Based in What You Said, These are My Options for the Pass...
1-Lloyd Irving or Velvet Crowe from the Tales of Series (Action RPG IN BOTH 2D and 3D INSPIRED IN FIGHTING GAMES)
2-Crash Bandicoot from the Crash Bandicoot Series (Platformer, very famous in Both Japan and America)
3-A Pokémon from Pokémon Sword & Shield (The Obvious Pokémon Pick from Nintendo)
4-Sakura from Sakura Wars (A Cross-Genre Game Series, the Dark Horse Pick and Promote Sakura Wars in the West)
5-Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear (The Star IP from Arc System Works, Fighting, Could Appeal to the Elite Fighting Guys)
6-Pyra/Mythra from Xenoblade Chronicles (The Surprise Addition to the Roster, They could use the Transform Mechanic from Sheik/Zelda)
Honorable Mentions:
Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden (The Last NES Star Needed to be in the Game, Platformer/Action)
Doom Guy from DOOM (The West's Favorite Pick for Representation of the First Person Shooter Genre)
Rayman from Rayman (Ubisoft's Star and Europe's No. 1 Pick)
A New Nintendo IP
That's All...for Now
The math part was good, but the predictions.... Just, No.
Without Geno, the others was not good
Im pretty sure that was the joke, kinda mocking the lengths people go to trying to predict FP2. and also trying to support their odd choices (cough discount pinocchio cough).
Also Danganronpa, Shenmue and prince of persia specially would be interesting choices.
Though we definetely do NOT need another Pokemon and specially 2 Mario characters (one which only appears in 1 spin off out of 200+ games and has basically no relevance to the series or outside the smash fanbase).
@@kokinfysraviolis1620 we definitely need a swsh rep, but not sir fetchd. Toxtricity is more likely since he is more popular
@@astrowyrm6871 you gotta really do my boi sir'fetchd dirty like that? I mean who in his good mind wouldn't want to play as Sir'fetchd?????!!
@@guzel_games me, i really dont like sir fetchd's design
This is the perfect balance of meming and some interesting stats. I didn't realize how much "both" rep there was.
I don't know why but when you revealed the characters I got really excited like they were real
You forgot one major category that messed up your equation. The iconic characters
"You try so hard, and yet so far, in the end, it doesn't even materrr"
Not gonna lie. I couldn’t stop smiling when I heard the 'Danganronpa'
I could honestly see Monokuma or a Danganronpa rep making it in
- It's the series's tenth anniversary this year.
- It would be the completely out of left field surprise pick like Joker was.
- Tons of spirits and songs to choose from.
- Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Sakurai also said he's a fan of Danganronpa in the past (though Nintendo picks the characters from the sounds of things so it really would be up to them, but Sakurai could have some pull.
I still doubt it will happen, but I have hope as I'm a huge fan of the Danganronpa series and would love to see it in Smash.
i can see danganronpa getting into smash and it makes me really happy. there's limitless possibilities for what you can do. it would be cool to see a pokémontrailer-like monokuma character in the game, where you can swap between him and the other variants of him throughout the games, and junko is off to the side controlling him. i can also see the various protags getting in too. idk if spike chunsoft would want to bring back danganronpa hype, but it would be good marketing for them because i think they have a new game coming out soon.
Ending of the video: “hey! Do you want to do some maths?”
Me: *starts crying for help*
Came here after Pyra and Mythra's release, seeing the math matching up with the current line up, then seeing the actual character predictions:
"Had us in the first half not gonna lie"
Was this a troll video to begin with?
This was incredibly made! The music has great timing, the editing is on point and satisfying to look at, your commentary and scripting is great, the math is smart, and had you talk about things for the perfect amount of time. While the roster doesn't directly please me, this is not your fault. Great video!
Numbers arent looking good for Master Chief or Doom Guy, the dream must live on.
It's just a prediction...
No one believed Banjo would make it in, and look where they are now. Anything can happen, and anybody has a chance.
Would say doom guy more likely moveset wise (I doubt both will get in )
The Dream Is DEAD...- Onslaught (Marvel vs Capcom)
I knew!
I was right, Geno never got to join to Super Smash Bros Ultimate >:3
(I don't hate Geno, but I always knew he couldn't join in Smash ;P)
16:24 the way you say "Fire Emblem" 😂
You can hear the salt
“A stampede breaks out killing 3 people but it’s all worth it” that KILLED ME 🤣
And two other people apparently
Unironically Sephiroth fits all the criteria mentioned for Geno
Today I learned that the majority of Smash Bros characters hate hats
"Character designed in Japan but not in Japan"
...So basically Donkey Kong?
Oh, also isn't Atlus also owned by Sega?
Yep Sega owns Atlus
Also Little Mac
That’s why he put “yes I know” as the I card
@@portunidae5277 did you guys vote in the poll it was linked to?
Jared The Rock but of course
After all the "leaks", I consider Geno leak bait and no longer care for him.
Geno is a good character for smash.
@@impracticaljoe6889 Same with plenty of characters.
@@impracticaljoe6889 So is Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 😡
@@luisreyes1963 No-
It will truly be glorious to see sakurai disappear for a split second, a brief second where fans can’t harass him
Bruh if monokuma made it in somehow, I'll literally consume my legwear.
Same
A Despair Boi
Final Smash is the first execution
or the prologue one, one of the two
@@thatoneguy9582 I'd rather see everyone get Leon Kuwata'd
We got baseballs, we got a Homerun bat.
Let's do this
@@thatoneguy9582 nah, final smash is ball monokuma
Jans the gamer Nah that would be his dash attack.
As much as I want it, I highly doubt that sirfeched is gonna make it solely because he only appears in sword and not shield, with over 800 pokemon to choose from and definitely some that's in both sword and shield, I would go for another mon myself.
21:40 - "Everyone's favourite, handsome bird..."
Me screaming: ***HAWLUUUUCH-***
*Screen shows Sirfetch'd*
Me: 😑
Haha, soz.
(Skips through the video)
(Sees Kokichi)
Me: Hey, wait a sec...
I'm glad you mispredicted all of them lol
that pause between "Sonic" and "The Hedgehog"
Your mistake was that you forgot to include the most cold, heartless type of math: economics. What game series made a lot of money in Japan recently? Or, even better, Blyeth represented
We're getting another rep from Animal Crossing. It has to replace someone on the list. And if we look at the year it came out... Geno is 1999 and Animal Crossing came out in 2001 so GENO IS SAFE. xD
By that logic, we might lose Danganronpa as the 2000-2010 rep though.
Connor McHarney That would be a shame since Danganronpa has the best moveset potential out of all this characters on this list.
Geno was 1996
Just what I was thinking. Hero and Byleth both coincided with recent or concurrent releases of Nintendo Switch titles.
So Nook or Resetti then?
I find it adorable that your trying to mathematical predict sakurai
Me seeing the first five characters: Reality is often dissapointing
Me seeing Geno appear last: I forgive you
Same, hes my most wanted
Nahhhh fam geno is lame... monokuma for life
Geno is a terrible idea for an addition
I'm on board with the Prince of Persia and Ryo, but the others are ehh...
Wahaller Bruh Monokuma is literally the best choice, even without biased since I played the games he literally has the best moveset potential out of every character here.
22:13 "Shooter and social sim"
-in my head-: tf2 character?
I would absolutely play The Heavy.
Overwatch probably has a better chance
Why not both?
This aged like milk
19:40
This was hilarious.
I'd actually be pretty happy if birdo got in. lol
Sakurai: Bruh I just get high and add whoever.
Benny Boi Well true to that. But recently the two fighters that’s been revealed, maybe that wasn’t his idea but Nintendo’s corny idea.
23:53 Wait, he was kinda right tho:
Male, RPG, ‘90s, Series Already In Smash…
(One-Winged Angel intensifies)
Nentendo when watching this video: HEY GUYS THROW EVERYTHING OUT THE WINDOW THEY GOT US FIGURED OUT.
Oooooh, so that was his plan...
no he saw the math so he knew how to stop geno from getting in
Should Atlus be counted as a seperate publisher or not because it is wholly owned by SEGA. I guess because most people think of Atlus as seperate from SEGA just like other SEGA owned studios like Relic, Sports Interactive and Creative Assembly.
Anyway really cool video!
The moment you said "a fan favorite" I didn't need to know what was left.
I already knew when you said the first 3.
Of course Geno.
You’re an interesting fellow
You take that back!
Me: Doesn't see Bandana Dee
Also Me: *I'm not crying you're crying*
I mean, none of these characters are _actually_ guaranteed, he just outlined the categories that he used to narrow down the characters, or rather just set up what fighters pass 2 (without any characters) looks like. And by how he laid it out, it leaves room for litterally any character at some point of it.
Yes. Yes I am
When you don't agree with the picks, but you love Danganronpa so you don't have a choice
SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE! (But a maximum of one thing and you’ll hate the rest)
Both The Prince and Ryo are some pretty interesting choices, and while I may have some bias towards Makoto Naegi as the Danganronpa rep, I can´t say I wouldn´t be excited for Monokuma in Smash, the one thing that makes me want Makoto over Monokuma in Smash is Monokuma´s lack of moveset potential, aside from executions and the Monokuma´s from Ultra Despair Girls, there´s really not much room to work with, also, Monomi doesn´t quite fit as an alt for Monokuma given how different they are.
(Makoto could actually very well replace Monokuma and fill the same purpose of representing both genders, since I had the idea that Makoto could have Komaru Naegi as an alt, aswell as Hajime Hinata and Shuichi Saihara working the same way as Hero. Having all 4 protagonist can work as an excuse to uses items and skills from all 4 games in Makoto´s moveset, things like Komaru´s Hacking Gun, Hajime´s Rebuttal Showdown skills and Shuichi´s Scrum Debate skills.)
The lack of move set is never a problem, just look at FE, in that franchise every character just does 3 things: attack, critical attack, and die.
@@juanrodriguez9971 That´s fair, I just don´t see anything appealing that Monokuma could bring with his moveset, but it may just be me.
@@juanrodriguez9971 well they evade attack to y'know 😄
Makoto got taken out with one Punch? What makes you think he'd ever be a fighter? You can't exactly translate anything he does in his games to a fighter....also he's a fanny who will do whatever any girl tells him to do because he's a Simp
Great video and the most intersting way to predict Smash fighters by far! Please keep videos like this coming!
"Sonic... The Hedgehog!" Hahaha that made me laugh. Honestly, this is such a well made video. All the work that went into it is amazing. You earned a new sub