It's also interesting that, at that moment, the Catholic Spanish Empire was losing the Thirty Years War against protestants (and against France). The Thirty Years War was mainly a war between Catholics and Protestants, so a Catholic miracle could be useful for the Monarch Philip IV (the one who kissed the leg) to convince his people (and maybe also his enemies) that God was on the Catholic side. I'm not saying necessariy that Philip IV was lying, I'm just saying that they probably weren't too motivated to investigate (and try to deny) a miracle claim at that moment.
After photography there was the case of Phineas Gage, which isn't quite as impressive as a regrown limb, but is still pretty darn noteworthy. Well worth looking up.
The mundane explanation that first came to my mind was that this story would've been a good cover for the soldier to get out of the army and start a new life. The original son was already dead, they buried him on the farm or whatever, not sure if leaving the spanish military was allowed at this specific time period, but armies often prevent any form of desertion. The farmer family would go along with it to get the help on the farm that the injured son hadn't been providing.
So I'm glad you won't claim the origins of Life came into existence without God because making that claim is a claim to the supernatural. Life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligence source that's a natural process as we know it. There's no scientific evidence that shows it could pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence. So anybody who believes the origins of Life came into existence without God believes in the supernatural.
The part that stands out to me is that the "new" leg had his old scars still on it. Obviously if miraculous amputation healing were possible, we dont know exactly how it would work, but the detail that his regrown leg has the old scars on it makes it clear he never lost the leg. Otherwise to me, it seems like the new leg would be free from scars and blemishes that are not from birth. Maybe birth marks would regrow, but scars?? What god would regrow your leg, but to the condition right before it was amputated?? Like why not regrow the leg, but its still broken lol. Why regrow it but include the scars? Seems like the most sus detail to me.
@@theunknownatheist3815 one of the problems with miracle claims is that it isn't clear what to expect. Proponents may defend having the scars as being part of the miracle, but then the story is likely to be the opposite in another case... but somehow itll still be perfectly indicative of god's work.
The part that is a tip off to me is that the mom accudentally came across the second leg at night. Sounds like someone unbound his leg to go to bed and thought he could get up and bind it before his parents saw him in the morning. Then the rest of the story plays out like a comedy trope of a man getting swept away in miraculous story and fanfare, just going along with it so no one finds out he was lying all along.
I looked into this story a few years ago at the request of a believer who cited it a s a verified miracle. It barely deserves a second look as there's almost nothing to investigate yet believers are sure it's a miracle. The desperation to believe is stronger than reason 😞
I mean, even something as outlandish as "he had a genetic mutation that reactivated limb regeneration genes from way back in our prehuman, premammal ancestry" is more plausible than MAGIC, so...
Thank you, I had similar opinions, when reading the criticism, I was also reminded of the Eddie Murphy scene. I kinda assumed the soldier could’ve been a reason his ruse would’ve been uncovered and his mother played along to protect her son
It's so funny that you mentioned Trading Places because when I first heard about this story a few years ago, that's what it immediately reminded me of.
Out of curiosity, why would it take 30 months to have the missing leg reappear? This what I call the "Divine Delay" for some reason whenever god interferes, directly or indirectly it's always after an unspecified amount of time, rarely immediately. For example, the flood took more then a century, jesus was supposed to come back later ™ and criminals are punished after death, not before
I had fun with this one. When I was an LDS missionary in Spain, I spent a few weeks living in Zaragoza. I remember visiting the cathedral of the Virgin of the Pillar while I was there.
Gangrene is a bacteria that thrives in the absence of oxygen. The most common way for an infection to arise is due to a problem with circulation. Either you've tied a tourniquet and forgotten to release it. OR, you've suffered an injury severe enough that blood can no longer circulate in that area (either due to damage to the arteries/ veins, directly, or for bruising/ swelling to be placing so much pressure on the veins/ arteries in that area, that blood can no longer circulate past that point). The bottom line here is - After 50 days, he should have been entirely healed from the initial injury! If the injury was too serious to heal itself in 50 days, then it would have prevented him from being able to travel to that place that he spent 50 days travelling to. This sounds like a specious tale - something that might appear to be true when you first hear it. But if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, the whole thing starts to fall apart under its own unbelievability...
Reminds me of a hilarious Laurel and Hardy scene ... where Ollie thinks Stan has lost a limb in the war and carries him around. Also I like Matts line " running around with a wooden limb " .... gold
If God is all-knowing and knew there would be an accident that made this lad fall off the cart and get infected with gangrene, get cut off and then go begging for a few years, why intercede so late? He was already with faith so why not just stop him falling off the cart altogether? Is that harder then miraculously healing and amputated leg? I don't think so. I'm a little skeptical the leg was ever amputated because I've seen beggars that fake amputations and this sounds exactly like one such beggar getting busted when his parents took pity on a soldier away from home.
There's a Gerard Depardieu film where the main character goes off to war and returns years later, world-weary and etc. At first, nobody recognises him, but he goes to his wife's house and things settle down for a while until he's accused of being an imposter who met the soldier while he was away, learned all about his life, and then assumed his identity. I think it had to be settled by revealing a birthmark "only his wife would know" or something.
The empty tomb is on par with ufo enthusiasts claiming that their uncle's neighbor's sister in law's Pub friend once saw one during a night out some time in the 1970's
The funniest part is the Spain's king kissing his leg. Considering the level of douchiness of those kings, it surely was highly satisfying for the owner of the leg (if true).
Deuteronomy 7:10 “And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face
Miracles are why I don't believe former atheists that are now claiming to be Christians are being honest. How can you know how impossible it is to verify a miracle, to claiming miracles happen. And not only happen, but happen all the time..
Why do theists who believe in healing miracles never investigate further? Which religion is this man? Which faith did he have contact with? How was the holy oil blessed? How is it that they are 100% sure that a miracle cannot be reproduced? Or that the details don't matter? It's almost like they know that religions are man made with no divine support at all.
likely because they are just looking for confirmation. and going to far into it can cause them more doubts. wich they want to avoid at any cost. not always but thats what it seems to come down to
@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Who's blocking the investigation though? Are these miracles rare enough that a group can conspire to not report them? Or is it just that humans natural filter stories to fit their worldview?
As an ex Christian I will say that you're far off. When you're indoctrinated into believing something, you don't really need to research it. The idea of questioning miracles barely occurred to me, I just took a lot of the claims at face value because they were told to me by people I trusted.
@@theflyingdutchguy9870We rarely question things we agree with. This is not unique to theists. Unlearning that and applying skepticism is a skill, it doesn't come naturally to most people.
I saw a guy in a cape saw a woman in half, then stick her back together, is that a miracle? If not, how can i tell the difference? I guess I'd better just believe anything that confirms the magical thinking my parents taught me before i had any critical thinking skills.
In Sunnyvale, California, in the heart of Silicon Valley, there was a Toys R Us that was supposed to be haunted. There's now an REI in that space, and I have no idea if anyone thinks it's still haunted. Sylvia Browne once held a seance there, because of course she did, and the headquarters of her "church" was only a short distance away in Campbell anyhow.
If he broke his leg and the hospital, being 50 days away, was the best place for him to go to get it fixed implies that it served people from miles and miles away and therefore served many people. Since broken bones are fairly common, bacteria was decades away from being discovered, and antibiotics hundreds of years away it is unremarkable that a physician would remember recommending an amputation for a young man with a leg injury whether remembering *_that_* man or not.
OR.....a young man who had a history of conflicts with his parents, happened to have a leg injury while he was away from his home. The leg became infected and had to be removed. The young men spent the next several years in various places surviving as a beggar. In the mean time, the young man's parents had taking a young soldier, who resembled their missing son, into their home and treated him like a son. When the crippled young man finally returned to his parent's home, he continued begging and became a huge disappointment to his parents and the parents wished their son had the integrity of the young soldier. Sick of their son's situation and attitude, the parents killed their son and buried him in their backyard and then presented the young soldier to the town as their son who had returned. He now had two legs, so obviously a miracle had taken place. The soldier was later listed as "missing in action".The buried amputated leg was either lost, or misplaced, or wild animals had scavenged the leg. No you know the rest of the story. LOL.
I come from a big Irish catholic family, and I remember when I was a kid, my cousins who went to Catholic school used to tell me that “if you get injured, pray to Mary and she will take the pain away”. And they ACTUALLY believed this. Catholics have lots of weird ideas about healing and prayer. 🙄
On the matter of simply pain they might be right. The placebo effect can be strong so if you believe strongly enough that *anything* will change your subjective experience, doing that thing can have that effect. One thing religion is good at is making people believe things very strongly, much stronger than any reason based belief should be held. Now if they claim that praying to Mary will cause objective physical healing of the injury they have much less of a leg to stand on.
A tri-Omni god seems to subcontract out a LOT of pretty mundane tasks. It's odd that religious people are often also conservatives in favour of "smaller government" yet favor a god who needlessly employs scores of angels and saints (and a former one-night hookup) as make-work hires.
@@kellyrestiaux9846 few things: First, most "small government conservatives" are Americans that are not predominantly catholic, so they don't really hold the saints (and barely even Mary) in any special regard. Second, the idea of saints is more like you having a relation with someone "on the inside" that can put in a good word for you because they get you, given that they were people too. Third, it really seems like you just wanted to make a political statement without any regards to theology, and then act surprised. That's just weak man. 4/10, almost as bad as a Christian apologist.
AND!... most hospitals in Spain at that time(until recently), were subsidiary of the and ran by the catholic church. What more of a booster for the faith do you need than a leg miraculously growing back.
Good point. Did he drag himself to his house first to get enough food and water for the journey? Did he stop at people's houses to ask for rations and a drink?
Crutches. Broken limb tied to and supported by two small planks. Just because it was centuries ago it doesn’t mean they didn’t know basic “medical” technology. 55 days instead of the week for an able bodied person actually checks. Very probably also the included the stops to beg for food. Houses didn’t have running water inside. They drew drinking water from wells (or rivers) many of which were public.
What bears mentioning, and this comes up in the first 2 mins of the video, is that The Nice Fellow In Question traveled 50+ days *to get to a religious shrine for healing*. I don't know that farming communities in 17th century Spain were necessarily 7 weeks' walk from a competent or plank-certified (boards weren't invented yet) healer. So I read that Wirt here decided his best fix was to bypass practical medical aid and go all-in on saintly intervention instead. These days that's like the person in a major city declining a local cancer center to seek out a Guatemalan mystic "six days upriver" in a Central American jungle.
Like the children's story, ' 7 with one blow'. Not flies. It was goblins, soldiers,... Dragons, right? Uh.... Yeah. Dragons. That's it! 🙄🙄🙄 Some think faster on their feet (no pun intended 😉🤭) than others.
The limb growing back doesn't work, the old scars are there. A natural regrowth would certainly not do this, a miraculous event could (because reasons?) Seems very likely the limb was never removed.
The best argument that I've heard against these religious miracle claims is to ask: "What is the second best (non-supernatural) explanation for this miracle?" The person then has to acknowledge that there is a non-magical explanation, that has nothing to do with their religion. The story could still be fake or exaggerated.
Maybe the healing leg guy was an X Man. Seems at least more plausible than the Catholic version of Yahweh did it to.. I dunno make a panhandler unemployed?
Before Rabbi Tovia Singer goes to bed he makes sure to look underneath his bed to make sure that Chuck God isn't hiding there waiting to scare him just like the boogey man would do
It’s how it goes around here, in the Iberian peninsula. Why, my country, Portugal’s first king received a visitation from Jesus himself at the dawn of a major battle against the combined forces of five Moorish armies. Jesus assured him the Portuguese forces would win…and they did! Guess how many people “saw” Jesus? One. King Afonso Henriques. He saw fit to inform his troops, who were deeply depressed due to the numerical inferiority. If Jesus had appeared to everyone, Moorish troops included, it would have put an end to the war that went on to last for centuries on end. That’s just how it goes.
Ex-Leper: Okay, sir, my final offer: half a shekel for an old ex-leper? Brian: Did you say "ex-leper"? Ex-Leper: That's right, sir, 16 years behind a veil and proud of it, sir. Brian: Well, what happened? Ex-Leper: Oh, cured, sir. Brian: Cured? Ex-Leper: Yes sir, bloody miracle, sir. Bless you! Brian: Who cured you? Ex-Leper: Jesus did, sir. I was hopping along, minding my own business, all of a sudden, up he comes, cures me! One minute I'm a leper with a trade, next minute my livelihood's gone. Not so much as a by-your-leave! "You're cured, mate." Bloody do-gooder. Brian: Well, why don't you go and tell him you want to be a leper again? Ex-Leper: Uh, I could do that sir, yeah. Yeah, I could do that I suppose. What I was thinking was I was going to ask him if he could make me a bit lame in one leg during the middle of the week. You know, something beggable, but not leprosy, which is a pain in the ass to be blunt and excuse my French, sir.
Miraculously, the same person with the miracle grown limb, only weeks after the miracle, once again is missing his leg, begging and making a fortune in a different city! And then after only two and a half years, when news of his "missing again leg" miracle made it back to his parents (again), he returned home, and once again - another miracle, his third so far, (1: first regrown, 2: miraculously missing again, then miracle #3) occurs when his parents once again (accidently - as he once again was in a drunken stupor) see the leg miraculously peeking out - regrown again! (This cycle repeats within many different nearby cities, yet to be scammed, chalking up 13 missing leg miracles, 14 regrow leg miracles, and 1 class-action lawsuit).
I always learned in history classes that at the time of the crucifixions, it was quite normal for family and friends to dig up their relative, amd bury them somewhere else, with their own traditions. So that a specific empty tomb was suddenly empty, if there even was one, wouldn't be surprising At All. And now that i think of it, if people then made up a story to avoid the same fate, would also not be surprising. So whether there actually was a jesus or not, i find this explanation for the disappearing of the body Much more compelling than the 4 different contradicting versions in the bible, that were written decades / centuries later by unknown authors. Thoughts? :)
It's such a shame that now we have a much better understanding of reality and science that there are no miracles anymore to investigate. . . . . . . . .
In Wikipedia...gee must be true. Fifty days, not likely. Fifty days away from anywhere, would have been unknown back then. What was he walking? 'running around begging '.... really, I don't think so. Better story...the virgin of the pillar.
Here's a theory for ya! Hidden leg is gonna get seen by mom, let's be honest. What if his mom knew about the leg and was in on the scam, the money is handy, I don't think you mentioned a father in the story. Then perhaps the soldier who was "staying" with the mom was the one to see the two feet sticking out. Mom panics and claims it a miracle, rather than admit the scam to the soldier. Then soldier says "wow, we should tell everyone about the miracle". Mom didn't want stories about a soldier "staying" in her house after dark to get out, so mom tweaks the story just a touch for dignity reasons, and now you've got your miracle.
The most hilarious endgame for all this nonsense is that the RC Church has a special department or commission to establish cases of miracles. This is in support of promoting folk to sainthood. You would think if they ever say Yes to a miracle example, that it could be genuinely attested. Because if it could stand scrutiny we'd all be interested.
There is a smaller channel who has “refuted” your Kalam Cosmological debunk. “Matt Dillahunty refuted” w/ the channel name should take you there. It’d be very interesting to see your response to it. (Don’t read the comments. They are rather degrading).
But it didn't grow back. At best, it was reattached. The one in the hole was missing. Truth in reality is NOT that difficult to confirm. Imaginary sh*t is.
Even if it were true, it would only be proof of the nastiness of his god…and show what a horrible being, in that this god has the power to heal like that, but chooses not to , almost all of the time!
The Virgin of Guadalupe appeared to peasant Juan Diego to tell the local bishop to construct a basilica dedicated to her. 🤔None of that makes sense. Why didn't she go directly to the bishop? 🤔She would have had a quicker response? Isn't this a prideful and selfish request? 🤔Why does she need a building? Isn't being the mother of god the biggest prize short of being god? It's really silly.🤔🤔
Beggars pretending to be crippled is, unfortunately, a common occurrence.
It was common for seated beggars to pretend to be WW1 amputees by putting their leg down a drain or manhole, hiding it.
It's also interesting that, at that moment, the Catholic Spanish Empire was losing the Thirty Years War against protestants (and against France). The Thirty Years War was mainly a war between Catholics and Protestants, so a Catholic miracle could be useful for the Monarch Philip IV (the one who kissed the leg) to convince his people (and maybe also his enemies) that God was on the Catholic side.
I'm not saying necessariy that Philip IV was lying, I'm just saying that they probably weren't too motivated to investigate (and try to deny) a miracle claim at that moment.
1 case of a regrown limb miracle before photography, 0 since. Huh, that’s a head-scratcher.
You're forgetting Billy Ray Valentine in Trading Places, and that was BOTH legs.
After photography there was the case of Phineas Gage, which isn't quite as impressive as a regrown limb, but is still pretty darn noteworthy. Well worth looking up.
I saw a movie with a guy that calls himself Deadpool and he has been healed miraculously lots of times!
@@pdutube And his best buddy Logan, he can also heal :D
axolotls are unimpressed
The mundane explanation that first came to my mind was that this story would've been a good cover for the soldier to get out of the army and start a new life. The original son was already dead, they buried him on the farm or whatever, not sure if leaving the spanish military was allowed at this specific time period, but armies often prevent any form of desertion. The farmer family would go along with it to get the help on the farm that the injured son hadn't been providing.
Any mundane explanation, regardless of how unlikely, is infinitely better than a supernatural one.
So I'm glad you won't claim the origins of Life came into existence without God because making that claim is a claim to the supernatural.
Life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligence source that's a natural process as we know it.
There's no scientific evidence that shows it could pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.
So anybody who believes the origins of Life came into existence without God believes in the supernatural.
The part that stands out to me is that the "new" leg had his old scars still on it. Obviously if miraculous amputation healing were possible, we dont know exactly how it would work, but the detail that his regrown leg has the old scars on it makes it clear he never lost the leg. Otherwise to me, it seems like the new leg would be free from scars and blemishes that are not from birth. Maybe birth marks would regrow, but scars?? What god would regrow your leg, but to the condition right before it was amputated?? Like why not regrow the leg, but its still broken lol. Why regrow it but include the scars? Seems like the most sus detail to me.
Or regrow it a foot and a half longer so his descendants could play basketball in the NBA?
Shouldn’t the “new” leg be mint condition, with not a scratch on it? 😂
@@theunknownatheist3815 one of the problems with miracle claims is that it isn't clear what to expect. Proponents may defend having the scars as being part of the miracle, but then the story is likely to be the opposite in another case... but somehow itll still be perfectly indicative of god's work.
@@theunknownatheist3815MYSTERIOUS WAYS DANGIT
"Sounds to me like somebody got drunk and fell asleep on his mom's floor" We've all been there 😂
The part that is a tip off to me is that the mom accudentally came across the second leg at night. Sounds like someone unbound his leg to go to bed and thought he could get up and bind it before his parents saw him in the morning.
Then the rest of the story plays out like a comedy trope of a man getting swept away in miraculous story and fanfare, just going along with it so no one finds out he was lying all along.
Some people will do anything to avoid a day job 😳
"Looking good, Billie Ray!"
"Feeling good, Winthorpe!"
I looked into this story a few years ago at the request of a believer who cited it a s a verified miracle. It barely deserves a second look as there's almost nothing to investigate yet believers are sure it's a miracle. The desperation to believe is stronger than reason 😞
Why didn't the leg reappear in front of a crowd instead of in such a hidden fashion?
God is shy.
Yea... First thing I thought of was the limb binding scam beggers have used in the past.
I mean, even something as outlandish as "he had a genetic mutation that reactivated limb regeneration genes from way back in our prehuman, premammal ancestry" is more plausible than MAGIC, so...
Thank you, I had similar opinions, when reading the criticism, I was also reminded of the Eddie Murphy scene. I kinda assumed the soldier could’ve been a reason his ruse would’ve been uncovered and his mother played along to protect her son
Dang, I just said the same thing about Billy Ray Valentine, and that was caught on film.
It's so funny that you mentioned Trading Places because when I first heard about this story a few years ago, that's what it immediately reminded me of.
Oddly enough, limbs amputated with Ockham's razor never regrow. Hmm...🤔
Everyone knows Occam’s razor 🪒 is for shaving! 😂 🪒 🧔🏻♂️
@@theunknownatheist3815that shit cuts whatever it needs to ;)
Out of curiosity, why would it take 30 months to have the missing leg reappear? This what I call the "Divine Delay" for some reason whenever god interferes, directly or indirectly it's always after an unspecified amount of time, rarely immediately. For example, the flood took more then a century, jesus was supposed to come back later ™ and criminals are punished after death, not before
Musk-level accuracy in predictions.
Well, first god has to check to see if it's covered by your insurance, and then are you in network or out of network...it's all really complicated.
The miracles used to appear instantly, then God discovered that he had created marijuana.
@@jgallone I bet god is upset by this! Here it is in 2024 and we don't have a "single prayer" medical care system.
I had fun with this one. When I was an LDS missionary in Spain, I spent a few weeks living in Zaragoza. I remember visiting the cathedral of the Virgin of the Pillar while I was there.
Even if humans all of a sudden developed the ability to regrow limbs, I wouldn't think it's a god doing it.
Gangrene is a bacteria that thrives in the absence of oxygen.
The most common way for an infection to arise is due to a problem with circulation. Either you've tied a tourniquet and forgotten to release it. OR, you've suffered an injury severe enough that blood can no longer circulate in that area (either due to damage to the arteries/ veins, directly, or for bruising/ swelling to be placing so much pressure on the veins/ arteries in that area, that blood can no longer circulate past that point).
The bottom line here is - After 50 days, he should have been entirely healed from the initial injury! If the injury was too serious to heal itself in 50 days, then it would have prevented him from being able to travel to that place that he spent 50 days travelling to. This sounds like a specious tale - something that might appear to be true when you first hear it. But if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, the whole thing starts to fall apart under its own unbelievability...
A true believer prays every day for years and the best he can get is a used leg?
😆😆
The stockpile of legs is often running low. Legs don't grow on trees, you know!
Did the story ever have a leg to stand on?
He got drunk and forgot to hide his amputated foot... so now he had to work on the farm 🙄
Well, now he's a miracle case, and he got to meet the King, soo... book deal, maybe?
This story differs from Jesus' because when Jesus went back to his hometown, no one believed his miracles.
Why do we have to go back 400 years to find one example of such a miracle, if this is a thing that happens?
Reminds me of a hilarious Laurel and Hardy scene ... where Ollie thinks Stan has lost a limb in the war and carries him around.
Also I like Matts line " running around with a wooden limb " .... gold
If God is all-knowing and knew there would be an accident that made this lad fall off the cart and get infected with gangrene, get cut off and then go begging for a few years, why intercede so late?
He was already with faith so why not just stop him falling off the cart altogether?
Is that harder then miraculously healing and amputated leg?
I don't think so.
I'm a little skeptical the leg was ever amputated because I've seen beggars that fake amputations and this sounds exactly like one such beggar getting busted when his parents took pity on a soldier away from home.
There's a Gerard Depardieu film where the main character goes off to war and returns years later, world-weary and etc.
At first, nobody recognises him, but he goes to his wife's house and things settle down for a while until he's accused of being an imposter who met the soldier while he was away, learned all about his life, and then assumed his identity.
I think it had to be settled by revealing a birthmark "only his wife would know" or something.
The empty tomb is on par with ufo enthusiasts claiming that their uncle's neighbor's sister in law's Pub friend once saw one during a night out some time in the 1970's
Still waiting for my leg to respawn.
Lizards regrow tails and lobsters regrow legs but mammals have to trade off increased chance of cancer against regenerating organs and limbs.
@@PeterGregoryKelly But Jebus could fix me.
@@HisZotnessIt's all part of the plan!
What's your server ping like ? Could be a god is trying but you're laggy AF.
@@kellyrestiaux9846 Dude is playing on a private server, god has no mod powers there.
I mean its not like a little white lie about how a certain young lady got pregnant would start a whole religion right? what's the harm.
Atheists have the best beards CONFIRMED 💯👍🏿
im not sure if we can compete with muslims and rabbi's on that😂
Matt needs to shave ASAP. I guess Arden likes it so he won't get rid of it
I dunno... YHWH is the OG. 😂
@@theflyingdutchguy9870Matt is looking a little Rabbinical, or maybe ZZTop guitarist look?
@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Shaving the moustache to go on Hajj looks ridiculous.
Or , when his mum saw him, it was like the entry scene for Eddy Murphy in Trading Places😂😂😂 "I have legs!" I am going with this.
I wouldn't bother arguing any of it since it's a written story anyone could make up to begin with.
The thumbnail pic is funny. It looks like Matt is saying “Because Aliens”.
Thank you, now I can't not see it.
@@kellyrestiaux9846 "I am not saying it was Aliens, but it was Aliens."
The funniest part is the Spain's king kissing his leg. Considering the level of douchiness of those kings, it surely was highly satisfying for the owner of the leg (if true).
Good job Matt we love your work.
Deuteronomy 7:10
“And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face
For those wondering, the Skeptoid episode in question is 247
Miracles are why I don't believe former atheists that are now claiming to be Christians are being honest. How can you know how impossible it is to verify a miracle, to claiming miracles happen. And not only happen, but happen all the time..
I've loved this shirt of Matt's since I first saw him wear it.
Why do theists who believe in healing miracles never investigate further? Which religion is this man? Which faith did he have contact with? How was the holy oil blessed?
How is it that they are 100% sure that a miracle cannot be reproduced? Or that the details don't matter?
It's almost like they know that religions are man made with no divine support at all.
likely because they are just looking for confirmation. and going to far into it can cause them more doubts. wich they want to avoid at any cost. not always but thats what it seems to come down to
@@theflyingdutchguy9870 Who's blocking the investigation though? Are these miracles rare enough that a group can conspire to not report them? Or is it just that humans natural filter stories to fit their worldview?
As an ex Christian I will say that you're far off.
When you're indoctrinated into believing something, you don't really need to research it. The idea of questioning miracles barely occurred to me, I just took a lot of the claims at face value because they were told to me by people I trusted.
@@theflyingdutchguy9870We rarely question things we agree with. This is not unique to theists.
Unlearning that and applying skepticism is a skill, it doesn't come naturally to most people.
@@Fernando-ek8jp But Christianity does actively resist skeptical thinking.
I saw a guy in a cape saw a woman in half, then stick her back together, is that a miracle? If not, how can i tell the difference? I guess I'd better just believe anything that confirms the magical thinking my parents taught me before i had any critical thinking skills.
Its funny how ghosts seem to haunt old broken down houses, modern shopping complex, no ghosts!
If ghosts were real - brothels, strip clubs, and nude beaches would be the most haunted places on earth.
In Sunnyvale, California, in the heart of Silicon Valley, there was a Toys R Us that was supposed to be haunted. There's now an REI in that space, and I have no idea if anyone thinks it's still haunted.
Sylvia Browne once held a seance there, because of course she did, and the headquarters of her "church" was only a short distance away in Campbell anyhow.
If he broke his leg and the hospital, being 50 days away, was the best place for him to go to get it fixed implies that it served people from miles and miles away and therefore served many people. Since broken bones are fairly common, bacteria was decades away from being discovered, and antibiotics hundreds of years away it is unremarkable that a physician would remember recommending an amputation for a young man with a leg injury whether remembering *_that_* man or not.
OR.....a young man who had a history of conflicts with his parents, happened to have a leg injury while he was away from his home. The leg became infected and had to be removed. The young men spent the next several years in various places surviving as a beggar. In the mean time, the young man's parents had taking a young soldier, who resembled their missing son, into their home and treated him like a son. When the crippled young man finally returned to his parent's home, he continued begging and became a huge disappointment to his parents and the parents wished their son had the integrity of the young soldier. Sick of their son's situation and attitude, the parents killed their son and buried him in their backyard and then presented the young soldier to the town as their son who had returned. He now had two legs, so obviously a miracle had taken place. The soldier was later listed as "missing in action".The buried amputated leg was either lost, or misplaced, or wild animals had scavenged the leg. No you know the rest of the story. LOL.
I wanted to check on Matt after not watching for some time and, oh my, what a beard!
I come from a big Irish catholic family, and I remember when I was a kid, my cousins who went to Catholic school used to tell me that “if you get injured, pray to Mary and she will take the pain away”. And they ACTUALLY believed this.
Catholics have lots of weird ideas about healing and prayer. 🙄
On the matter of simply pain they might be right. The placebo effect can be strong so if you believe strongly enough that *anything* will change your subjective experience, doing that thing can have that effect. One thing religion is good at is making people believe things very strongly, much stronger than any reason based belief should be held.
Now if they claim that praying to Mary will cause objective physical healing of the injury they have much less of a leg to stand on.
How is praying for health weird?
Like, sure, I know it doesn't work, but I that's one of the most common things prayed for.
A tri-Omni god seems to subcontract out a LOT of pretty mundane tasks. It's odd that religious people are often also conservatives in favour of "smaller government" yet favor a god who needlessly employs scores of angels and saints (and a former one-night hookup) as make-work hires.
@@kellyrestiaux9846 few things:
First, most "small government conservatives" are Americans that are not predominantly catholic, so they don't really hold the saints (and barely even Mary) in any special regard.
Second, the idea of saints is more like you having a relation with someone "on the inside" that can put in a good word for you because they get you, given that they were people too.
Third, it really seems like you just wanted to make a political statement without any regards to theology, and then act surprised. That's just weak man.
4/10, almost as bad as a Christian apologist.
@@Fernando-ek8jp i was hoping to score a 2/5. That's usually my goal with pedantic people whose opinions don't matter terribly much to me.
AND!... most hospitals in Spain at that time(until recently), were subsidiary of the and ran by the catholic church. What more of a booster for the faith do you need than a leg miraculously growing back.
Wait, how was the so-gangrenous-it-was-black bad leg able to distinctly show bruises people could remember?
How did this guy travel for fifty-five days on a broken leg?
Good point. Did he drag himself to his house first to get enough food and water for the journey? Did he stop at people's houses to ask for rations and a drink?
Crutches. Broken limb tied to and supported by two small planks. Just because it was centuries ago it doesn’t mean they didn’t know basic “medical” technology. 55 days instead of the week for an able bodied person actually checks. Very probably also the included the stops to beg for food.
Houses didn’t have running water inside. They drew drinking water from wells (or rivers) many of which were public.
BY THE GRACE OF GOD
duh
What bears mentioning, and this comes up in the first 2 mins of the video, is that The Nice Fellow In Question traveled 50+ days *to get to a religious shrine for healing*.
I don't know that farming communities in 17th century Spain were necessarily 7 weeks' walk from a competent or plank-certified (boards weren't invented yet) healer. So I read that Wirt here decided his best fix was to bypass practical medical aid and go all-in on saintly intervention instead.
These days that's like the person in a major city declining a local cancer center to seek out a Guatemalan mystic "six days upriver" in a Central American jungle.
Similar reprisal in Brotherhood of the Wolf movie.
Sometimes my third leg grows a bit,but it never lasts...
Have you tried amputation? Ya gotta have faith that a miracle will be granted by Our Lady of the Pillar!
@@illithidinfidel2464 no,that's a good idea! 😂
Miracles happen today!
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Prove it
@@kollekciorozsdas6110 look it up.
Like the children's story, ' 7 with one blow'.
Not flies. It was goblins, soldiers,... Dragons, right?
Uh.... Yeah. Dragons. That's it!
🙄🙄🙄
Some think faster on their feet (no pun intended 😉🤭) than others.
The limb growing back doesn't work, the old scars are there. A natural regrowth would certainly not do this, a miraculous event could (because reasons?)
Seems very likely the limb was never removed.
We also hear claims about miraculous pegnancies when the husband is not around.
The best argument that I've heard against these religious miracle claims is to ask:
"What is the second best (non-supernatural) explanation for this miracle?"
The person then has to acknowledge that there is a non-magical explanation, that has nothing to do with their religion. The story could still be fake or exaggerated.
Maybe the healing leg guy was an X Man. Seems at least more plausible than the Catholic version of Yahweh did it to.. I dunno make a panhandler unemployed?
The seldom-remembered character "Monopod", first appearance Uncanny X-Men #23, last seen New Mutants #12.
so God couldn't even be bothered to heal his bruises?
It's wild how plausible this story is. It's as plausible as the virgin birth of Jesus.
God keeps hiding because there is no god of any holy book.
Chuck/God: I'm not hiding I'm just done with my experiments failure's
Before Rabbi Tovia Singer goes to bed he makes sure to look underneath his bed to make sure that Chuck God isn't hiding there waiting to scare him just like the boogey man would do
I am curious to hear your opinion on Ayaan Hirsi Ali's claim that she "chooses to believe" in Christianity.
It’s how it goes around here, in the Iberian peninsula.
Why, my country, Portugal’s first king received a visitation from Jesus himself at the dawn of a major battle against the combined forces of five Moorish armies. Jesus assured him the Portuguese forces would win…and they did!
Guess how many people “saw” Jesus? One. King Afonso Henriques. He saw fit to inform his troops, who were deeply depressed due to the numerical inferiority.
If Jesus had appeared to everyone, Moorish troops included, it would have put an end to the war that went on to last for centuries on end.
That’s just how it goes.
Ex-Leper: Okay, sir, my final offer: half a shekel for an old ex-leper?
Brian: Did you say "ex-leper"?
Ex-Leper: That's right, sir, 16 years behind a veil and proud of it, sir.
Brian: Well, what happened?
Ex-Leper: Oh, cured, sir.
Brian: Cured?
Ex-Leper: Yes sir, bloody miracle, sir. Bless you!
Brian: Who cured you?
Ex-Leper: Jesus did, sir. I was hopping along, minding my own business, all of a sudden, up he comes, cures me! One minute I'm a leper with a trade, next minute my livelihood's gone. Not so much as a by-your-leave! "You're cured, mate." Bloody do-gooder.
Brian: Well, why don't you go and tell him you want to be a leper again?
Ex-Leper: Uh, I could do that sir, yeah. Yeah, I could do that I suppose. What I was thinking was I was going to ask him if he could make me a bit lame in one leg during the middle of the week. You know, something beggable, but not leprosy, which is a pain in the ass to be blunt and excuse my French, sir.
This miracle story does not have a leg to stand on.
Oh yeah, I've had that happen!
Miraculously, the same person with the miracle grown limb, only weeks after the miracle, once again is missing his leg, begging and making a fortune in a different city!
And then after only two and a half years, when news of his "missing again leg" miracle made it back to his parents (again), he returned home, and once again - another miracle, his third so far, (1: first regrown, 2: miraculously missing again, then miracle #3) occurs when his parents once again (accidently - as he once again was in a drunken stupor) see the leg miraculously peeking out - regrown again!
(This cycle repeats within many different nearby cities, yet to be scammed, chalking up 13 missing leg miracles, 14 regrow leg miracles, and 1 class-action lawsuit).
I always learned in history classes that at the time of the crucifixions, it was quite normal for family and friends to dig up their relative, amd bury them somewhere else, with their own traditions. So that a specific empty tomb was suddenly empty, if there even was one, wouldn't be surprising At All. And now that i think of it, if people then made up a story to avoid the same fate, would also not be surprising.
So whether there actually was a jesus or not, i find this explanation for the disappearing of the body Much more compelling than the 4 different contradicting versions in the bible, that were written decades / centuries later by unknown authors.
Thoughts? :)
Ochams razor suggests no amputation and begging..
It's such a shame that now we have a much better understanding of reality and science that there are no miracles anymore to investigate. . . . . . . . .
Matt is da man.
How gullible must you be to actually believe that miracle story (and most, if not all, miracle stories)?
I would love to hear what Matt thinks of the 'visions' off Bernadette of Lourdes and the 'visions' in Fatima.
There have been callers citing Fatima. I'm pretty sure Matt took at least 1 or 2 of those. AXP. Maybe The Line too. No idea when.
Retina damage
@@brucebaker810 thanks.
Miracle of Fátima Aka miracle of the sun
NEXT.
When is it NOT a grifter?
When it is delusional people. Though sometimes it's both.
I try to be skeptical but kind at the beginning- sometimes you're talking to the grifted, not the grifter.
In Wikipedia...gee must be true. Fifty days, not likely. Fifty days away from anywhere, would have been unknown back then. What was he walking?
'running around begging '.... really, I don't think so.
Better story...the virgin of the pillar.
Here's a theory for ya!
Hidden leg is gonna get seen by mom, let's be honest. What if his mom knew about the leg and was in on the scam, the money is handy, I don't think you mentioned a father in the story. Then perhaps the soldier who was "staying" with the mom was the one to see the two feet sticking out. Mom panics and claims it a miracle, rather than admit the scam to the soldier. Then soldier says "wow, we should tell everyone about the miracle". Mom didn't want stories about a soldier "staying" in her house after dark to get out, so mom tweaks the story just a touch for dignity reasons, and now you've got your miracle.
The most hilarious endgame for all this nonsense is that the RC Church has a special department or commission to establish cases of miracles. This is in support of promoting folk to sainthood. You would think if they ever say Yes to a miracle example, that it could be genuinely attested. Because if it could stand scrutiny we'd all be interested.
There is a smaller channel who has “refuted” your Kalam Cosmological debunk. “Matt Dillahunty refuted” w/ the channel name should take you there.
It’d be very interesting to see your response to it. (Don’t read the comments. They are rather degrading).
Ricky: Was it diabetes? My leg had that! Says Ricky
Can someone please tell me what time I need to call in❓❓❓❓ I live in California. And what’s the number please.🙂
It's in their website
Pastor Robert Morris says he has "repented".
Huh?
The Virgin of the pillar? Is that some sick joke?
Not THAT “pillar”. 😂
What about his missinng fingers? Still gone?
Matt, I love you and I am enjoying spending time with you, but really why are we even bothering with this?
classic catholic marketing ploy.
But it didn't grow back. At best, it was reattached. The one in the hole was missing. Truth in reality is NOT that difficult to confirm. Imaginary sh*t is.
I want a matt funko pop
Wow. The lengths people will go to cover a lie. So embarrassing. He's lucky people back then were so dumb.
he's 1/4 zombie or just a zombie legged person
Even if it were true, it would only be proof of the nastiness of his god…and show what a horrible being, in that this god has the power to heal like that, but chooses not to , almost all of the time!
The Virgin of Guadalupe appeared to peasant Juan Diego to tell the local bishop to construct a basilica dedicated to her. 🤔None of that makes sense. Why didn't she go directly to the bishop? 🤔She would have had a quicker response? Isn't this a prideful and selfish request? 🤔Why does she need a building? Isn't being the mother of god the biggest prize short of being god? It's really silly.🤔🤔
Love the Eddie Murphy reference lol. Accurate
Wow, cool story bro!!!
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How can he possibly be running around if he only had one foot? Geez...lol
Da fuq? Who gives a severed leg its own grave?
And remembers where they buried it, like a whole limb cemetery with headstones and everything
I made stew.
Burying the limb was humorous foreshadowing.
@@jamiegallier2106 Don't you mean "humerus"?
@@htpkey probably not. The humerus is the upper arm
Had to be the descendant of George santos
Rabbi Tovia Singer asks Ricky: Did they cut the leg off before or after you lost your IQ test?
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