Poker Strategy: How To Play A Straight Out Of Position
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2018
- In this hand we flop a weak straight draw out of position and turn a straight. How should we play it?
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Thanks for taking my call and posting. I have changed my preflop approach a lot now with straddles based on our conversation.
Jason Shoulders would either player in the pot limp their respective positions with AJo. How about AJs?
I agree with Bart, as played you've limped in the ultimate worst position and hit a decent flop for your hand, but should still check because you are out of position vs 5 people who have limped. Tons of stuff is possible, and no one who limps like this in a straddled pot is folding top pair or a better draw to this bet size.
On the turn check raise is good, but you need to figure out why you don't like it even if it's what you did. Is it because someone could have AJ? If so which player (and do they limp that?) no other hand should you truly be worried about jamming against with one card to come because no other hand beats you.
Is it because they could suck out and hit a better straight, a flush, or a full house? That's why you jam. So you can get value from inferior hands that would otherwise shut down on the river.
I think more so than the actions taken in this hand is stepping back and analyzing the most likely results on a street by street basis. Flop you should check and not really enjoy calling when you likely get the odds to. Turn you should love your spot and enjoy jamming after spiking your hand, because why else are you playing J9s in this way preflop and on the flop.
Your welcome, Jason! That was a good hand.
Yeah Jason, having a habitual button straddler to your direct right or two to your right is the worst seat to have at the table IMO, even if the habitual straddler very seldom raises their straddle. It's one of the only things that will motivate me to change seats for a strategical reason. Even is a passive game you should really be tightening your range when you're in the blinds during a button straddle, and it really puts you at a disadvantage where you're acting 1st-2nd PF for 3-4 hands per orbit.
Not that this is right or that you should do it, but I tighten my range so much in a session when my blinds are being straddled constantly that I mix in a lot of limp-reraises when I do wake up with a big hand in this spot. After a couple hours of the table seeing you folding almost everything from this spot, it becomes very easy to tell that you have a strong hand when you raise first-to-act off the straddle. Plus it's hard to to get ideal situations by just opening from the SB off the BTN straddle because you'll either use normal sizing and have to play severely multiway out of position or you size up your open to account for your terrible position and you often just take down the blinds and the straddle. I would advocate changing seats if you're in the blinds when the button constantly straddles, and if you can't do that then play super tight from that position.
Jason Shoulders your post flop decisions was worst than your pre flop limp. Focus on them more. GL.
Tsiphon I think both players are capable of limping AJo and AJs. Villain 1 had raised AK to only $8 in a previous hand so just calling $5 with AJ is plausible and Villain 2 was very passive and stationary so I could easily see him call $5 with that hand as well.
One difference between being the SB and being UTG is that pre-flop there isn't as much action behind you. That positionial advantage for pre-flop might be good enough to get you to see a hand like J9s to the flop. Because with that hand, you'll have a really good idea whether or not it's worth continuing after those first 3 cards.
Bro, you got the 2nd nuts! Best part
BART you have a lot of patience man. Keep up the good work and ty
nice hand, nice analysis. thanks for the post, Bart!
You HAVE to jam here. You literally never have less than 60% equity, but more than half the deck are scare cards.
Thanks
I think the impact of the straddle on effective stacks in low stakes games is terribly overstated, and subscribing to this belief can be very costly for you. I make no argument that in theory a straddle is doubling the stakes of the game and halving your effective stacks (even a bit more with a $5 straddle in a $1/$2 game), but if you're substantially widening your get-it-in range just because a random straddle is on, you're going to be in some really terrible spots when you do get called.
In higher stakes games with professional players , the table will adjust to the straddle in a theoretically correct manner. In low stakes games like 1/2 though, the overwhelming majority do not adjust their stack-off ranges at all. These players are playing the same stakes game they sat down in, and it's going to take the same range of hands to put their stack into the pot. All I'm saying is if you're putting your stack in much wider than usual in 1/2 game just because it's a straddled pot, you're going to find yourself behind quite often when you are called. Of course it doesn't apply to this specific hand when caller is holding the second nuts, but I hear so much about how someone in a 1/2 game "has to get it in" with a mediocre holding because it's a straddled pots so stacks are shorter, but IMO that is usually bad advice at these stakes even though it's theoretically correct.
I don't think wat you did was terrible. I would check on the flop. And I wouldn't worry that I don;t have the best hand on the turn. So i would do whatever to get it all in there.
Hey Jason...I live in Louisville and the boat (horseshoe southern Indiana for those who dont know) is obviously my home casino. I lived in Las Vegas for 2 years and just moved back last summer. I have only played a few sessions since I moved back because I work a normal job and have 2 kids. I played a ton of poker out in Vegas.
I was a winning player there, but not completely crushing or anything like that. My point is that my win rate at the boat is so much higher. The games here have so many more weak spots and most tables only have 1,2, maybe 3 competent players and there’s usually a mutual understanding that players like us don’t need to lock horns too often and we are there to take advantage of the many leaks that most players there have. I thought you might find it interesting that my best 1/2 sessions and the best games I’ve ever sat in were at the boat...ever after having lived in Vegas for 2 years playing at least 1 long session per week. We are actually lucky to have the games that we have at the boat. I didnt know if you had any basis for comparison and I thought this would interest you. Sorry for the lengthy message. My name is Bill. You can respond on here and maybe we can sit in the same game at the boat one day in the near future. Take it easy man. If you want my number to text, let me know. It would be cool to have a like-minded player close by to discuss hands and strategy with. Later man
Lol he said on flop “I felt like I was behind”
Bart what would you do on flop if you had Js9s and you led out and got raised.
She raised the flop. She shoes strength. I would barrel turn and value bet river.
BTN straddle is a weird game, since it puts the players in the normal blinds at an even bigger disadvantage, than they normally are, since now they have to act first even preflop. In general you should play very tight from the SB and even more so, when this BTN straddle is on.
On the flop I agree with Bert, that we need to play this draw very passively. We only have 3 clean outs to the nuts and 5 players left to act after us, so the flop is a very clear check and then decide what to do, when the action gets back to you.
"You have the second nuts dude" no truer thing ever said🤣. Youre losing to only 1 possible hand, AJspades. Maybe, at a tiny frequency AJ clubs, and as played thats a 1%er theyll have that, AS PLAYED.
semibluffing 1/2 pot into 5 players with 2 spades and two broadway cards on the flop? ummmmmmmmmmm....
It's A turn jam all day long.
Bart congrats for being cool headed and advising a player that played all the streets from bad to terrible.
You didn't have a read on anyone. I don't like leading this flop. This is mostly a check call for me on flop. After leading and getting raised and cold call. I'm gonna c/r turn 90% of the time.
I wonder if even calling is a good idea. There is a pretty good chance that out of 5 players, at least one of them staying in on this flop has 2 spades...that's 2 dirty outs, and plenty of scare cards if you hit the straight on the turn but the river is a spade, and then if someone is going for broadway, more ways to lose, and so on. It isn't really as good of a hand as it looks like.
I disagree I didn't have a read. I saw at least 4 hands with Villain 1 where she played draws passively. I saw at least 2 or 3 where she played a good hand fast. Less than an hour before this hand, she was telling everyone at the table that she folded a drawing hand that would have hit. Sure, it's a small sample, but it's still a valid observation and shows insight to how she thinks about poker. I also saw Villain 2 QUICKLY call the $125 on the turn. That matters. From my observations, people trying to get to showdown with a weakish hand like top pair weak kicker OR on obvious draws tend to call quicker than players who have the nuts. When you have the nuts, most players will usually at least THINK for a second about raising or calling because they want to get the most money in the pot and need to think about how to do that - especially in a multiway pot with a player left to act Again, it's villain dependent, but it's still a valid observation.
it all helps...you sound like a much more observant player than most...that is probably 1/3 of the game right there, even more if you have a memory as good as someone like Doyle Brunson who claims to be able to remember hands from 50 years ago~ You are lucky, I'm jealous...i forget everything that happened the previous hand!
Most standard hand ever.... No decision to be made on any street.
So annoying. Not the way the hand is played, that was fine. But all the hemming and hawing about what he should do when he hits the virtual nuts on the turn annoyed me.