Reacting to Full Speed Ahead + Open Arms - EPIC: The Musical
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Watch What It Do Dave React To Full Speed Ahead + Open Arms - EPIC: The Musical
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The intotation for 600 men is because Odysseus begins with a fleet, but his Odyssey ends with him alone, losing his people bit by bit
To piggyback off of that, Dave, when you reacted to Ruthlessness, at that point after the song, he only has 43 men left, which is why after Poseidon attacks the fleet he says “43 left under your command.”
@@zetadelta5859 hearing that line in Ruthlessness after listening to the other songs first sent CHILLS down my spine. Amazing narration and storytelling.
Over a ten year period. After a 10 year war. Absolutely insane.
So the Lotus eaters are just supposed to be Humans, but Jay made them sound so cute and alien that people who don't know that draw them as little creatures.
Well actually in EPIC: The Musical I believe it has been confirmed that the lotus eaters are winions who consumed the lotus fruit, winions in EPIC being the servants of the wind god Aeolus. Jay chooses certain areas to diverge from the original story with creative liberty.
Its a musical in the making- the creator is still making the songs and finding voice actors/ actors. Actually, he just released the 'circe saga' like yesterday so its very much still in production!
Also yeah, animatics have the same song but different visuals as the actual songs dont have visuals (most of them anyway). Since the musical isnt out and alot of ppl like visuals with music, ppl make animatics 😊
About the 600 men, remember that in ruthlessness there was "43 left under your command". It's a way to keep count of the lives lost in this travel. We're starting with 600, but this is already after the war, "10 years of war they've killed us slowly", people have already died, and that isn't stopping anytime soon.
Though apparently none of odysseus’s men died, as evidenced by the line in Luck Runs Out, “I took 600 men to war and not one of them died there”
@@anabsolnamednyx899 I assumed it referred to the men that were alive for the last trojan horse attack, since in the catalogue of ships (from the Iliad) it is described that a total of 142,320 men were sent to the trojan war. So the 600 men that sailed back to Greece would be the ones that survived up to the last attack.
@@valenlp18aren't those specifically Odysseus' people who are sailing back to Ithaca? Greece wasnt monolith at time
@@valenlp18 but those were all from different kingdoms. Ithica is quite small
I think with the ending of Open Arms its more to do with Polites (the glasses guy) noticing how much of a burden Odysseus has on his shoulders with all the guilt he has and is trying to tell him to not fall to pessimism and the horrors of war but instead to see how theres still good people and good things in the world.
There is an element of being overly optimistic but it is what Odysseus needs after going through so much pain and horror.
And then that makes him decide to forgive the cyclops and everything goes to hell
For the second song the apple tossing probably needs some context. In ancient greece tossing an apple to someone was the equivalent of a proposal
Also in regards to Polites, all of these men have been at war for over 10 years. The fact any of them can still see hopefulness to me at least is a miracle, and he is for sure a moral center for the fleet. Even after all the insanity of the Trojan War, he wants to see the best in people. Eurylocus, the second in command, first inclination is to just raid the island for food, after all they are soldiers.
The little guys are called Winions, the fandom loves them (and me, I adore them).
But in the actual myth the Lotus Eaters were just normal people that had been trapped by eating the Lotus fruit.
No, the winions are specifically the lil wind minions of Aeolus in Keep Your Friends Close. The lotus eaters are a separate thing.
@@orbynit8614 nope, in EPIC the lotus eaters in Open Arms are confirmed to be winions that are the fruit
Here’s a crazy number since you started with Ruthlessness. Odysseus left Troy with 600 men and would lose a small group before meeting Poseidon which would likely mean that he still had men in the 500s. Poseidon, after attacking the fleet, tells Odysseus “43 left under your command.” He took out almost the entire fleet by the end of his song.
Even crazier that in all the years they were fighting in the war he lost no one, and on the journey home loses everyone T_T
Apparently Polyphemus killed about 12.
So I’ve always had a thought about that scene in Open Arms with the butterfly. Butterflies are, in Greek culture, synonymous with Thanatos, the Greek God of Death. And given what happens next saga, maybe that was the animatior telling us that things were about to go down.
Also when you said not god speed but full speed, that’s not entirely true. The god most commonly associated with speed is Hermes, and if you’ve read the book, you’ll know that he IS on Odysseus’ side. So yeah, Godspeed.
7:08 Haha first time noticing it: Odysseus confidently facing fights in wars and terrifying monsters but freaking out meeting a butterfly 😂
The plan is for it to be a full on staged musical once its finished, but at the moment, its still being released, officially a bit at a time. And yeah, the animatics are all fan-made. Jorge has some official collab animatics, and sone live action acted clips with the vocalists playing out the parts, but the animatics are varied because everyone makes their own based on how he describes the scenes!
The musical concept album is still in progress, but I am personally LOVING how Jay is releasing a few songs at a time rather than the whole concept album. Allows me to enjoy each part of the story/songs that would be more overlooked if I listened to the whole 2 hr musical in one go
It is a testament to Odysseus that he led 600 men to battle for a decade+ and none of his soldiers died in the war. He did have some divine favor for sure, but that is still impressive
I'd def recommend doing the first 2 songs of the cyclops saga (polyphemus and survive) together because they flow really well, this is the only saga so far with an uneven number of songs so it may work better to do the next one by itself or in a grouping of 3
Also watch them from the same artist as the one who made the animatic for 'Open Arms'
It is REALLY, REALLY good to watch them both together! Epic Continuity! (…no pun intended…)
There is a lot that goes into the actual music and motifs in Epic. Jorge has put a lot of the process, BTS, and explanations in his TH-cam shorts and Tiktok
As a brief explanation
- Odysseus during when he sings and has songs is accompanied by a guitar, the type of guitar is dependent on the mood of the current scene (Nylon string for emotional moments and electric for moments of cunning)
- Eurylocus when he sings often is accompanied by voices in the background which will be more apparent later down the sagas. He represents the voice of the crew and their disposition in that moment not as a leader but a representative of sorts
- When you hear a god in Epic sing it usually will have a synth aspect to it, that’s because that synth and electronic kind of sound is how they represent divinity (Zeus, Athena, Hermes, heck even a song that hasn’t even been released but rather teased called God Games is compromised of it)
- Keep an ear out for repeating patterns in music, all the major characters but especially Odysseus, his son Telemachus, his wife Penelope, Athena, Circe etc have their our leitmotifs and they change as the story progresses to show the changes the characters go through
- This was a series that took inspiration from games such as Kingdom Hearts, which has alot of boss fights. In Epic, boss fights are usually indicated by a choir chanting their name in the background either before or during the sing to show their grandeur and how dangerous the current foe is (cleverly done by using a program to mimic voices, not ai though it I remember right, just a simulator)
| Spoiler for the next couple of songs in these sagas |
Athena has some godly abilities that are indicated through music
- A sucking of the music almost like it’s going in reverse and popping between ears and a clock tik tok is called
Quick Thought: The ability to have entire conversation in the span of milliseconds in the characters head
- There is another, however I can’t remember if it’s the piano trill or a different indicator however Jorge also has stated through one of these musical indicators she can astral project a version of herself over vast distances like how she does in “Warrior of the Mind” in the flashback
I’d watch Mircsy’s animatic for Warrior of the Mind after Open Arms, it flows better after
Idk, maybe it's just me, but i prefer Wolfy's Athena. Mircsy's cinematics are also awesome, i guess it is matter of preference
@@danylonazarov I kinda like Mircsy’s Athena a bit better than Wolfy’s but both are great. It really is just a matter of preference lol
I also recommend he watches watching Mircsy's animatic for "Polyphemus" and "Survive" their cinematography and Polyphemus design are probably the best I've seen.
Also I find Athena's design better in that one
@@aceofheartzxaver1366 ehhhh? now, that one is truly matter of taste. I like Wolfy's Athena with her owl-like mannerisms, statue-like posture and face, and hollow eyes and all that. Face still expresses some amotions, body still moving, but it is obviously not entirely human.
Mircsy's is also nice, but it seems it is really up to a person who watches
as far as the term for 600 men, in modern nomenclature that's a "battalion" or "battalion strength formation." the spartans called this formation a "Mora."
I'm glad you're doing these two at a time, actually, because a lot of the songs work in pairs. On the other hand, the next three really go together as a trio.
I really hope that he listens to 5, then breaks for 6 & 7 together since 6 & 7 go fairly hand-in-hand. Either way, looking forward to more!
I did all three in one reaction, based off your comment. Dropping tomorrow!
@@whatitdodaveWaiting gleefully in anticipation!
Epic The Musical is my absolute obsession. It’s just so fantastic and everyone involved is so talented! You laugh, you cry… you get HYPED! Epic needs to be as big as possible 💕
I’m a bit addicted to it. Something about it is just so… I don’t know how to describe it. Capturing I guess? That’s the best I could come up with lol. Once you listen to a few of the songs, there’s no escape. You’re staying with use music theater and Greek mythology geeks until the end of time 😂
Man I found this series at the perfect time! The weird moment at the end will make more sense once you watch Warrior of the Mind :)
wolfythewitch carries with these animatics imo but there are a ton of good ones for all the songs!
wait, did he toss the apple????
Yeah. In Ancient Greek, tossing an apple meant a proposal (marriage) and catching it was accepting it. And Wolfy said in the comments that they did that on purpose lol
11:23 that is the Segway into the next song. “Warrior of the mind” Where Athena pulls him into his memories and reminds them of how they met and of his purpose to be Athena’s greatest warrior.
You should definitely rewatch ruthlessness when you get there in the story because there are so many references and callbacks to previous songs
Im so hype for this react series!
same
2:23 yes it does have a term. It’s called a musical motif. And there are several in epic. “When does a man become a monster” “just a man” and “600 men” some of the biggest. Emphasizing how Odysseus changes his goals and views since the beginning of the musical
Those things that give them the Lotus Fruit are called Winions :)
The lotus eaters are different from the winions, it's just that a lot of animators draw them similarly (and they have similar musical representations). The winions are Aeolus' "wind minions = winions" and the lotus eaters are just that, lotus eaters.
Full speed ahead through the rest of the songs 🎊
Jorge produces the demo tracks (which are almost as elaborate as the finished product, he really puts a lot of thought into everything) while Blair Russell is the studio producer and JP Warner is the sound mixer. The cast is as follows:
Odysseus: Jorge-Rivera Herrans
Zeus: Luke Holt
Eurylochus: Armando Julián
Polites: Steven Dookie
Athena: Teagan Earley
Aeolus: Kira Stone
Anna Casey: Penelope
Poseidon: Steven Rodriguez
Circe: Talya Sindel
Hermes: Troy Doherty
Love your reactions, I just discovered this series a few weeks ago and it’s pretty awesome to see someone else find it themselves
Oh here comes the pure Epicness XD. This is where ‘Ruthlessness’ gets its Roots. Never let arrogance and pride get to you.
the coming songs will be FIRE
We gotta be ready for Halloween because that’s when the Underworld saga releases (at least that’s what I heard, so take it with a grain of salt)
The reason 600 men is repeated so many times is because in the Odyssey Odysseus has a fleet of 600 men, but throughout his journey home he loses more and more leaving him to the only one returning. You can pick this up in several songs from the music full speed ahead has all 600, in the second song of the cyclops saga you can hear some of the crew being killed, in Luck Runs Out (the 2nd song of the ocean saga) he again mentions the 600 men he took to war, in Ruthlessness at the very very end Poseidon sings “43 left under your command” referencing all the men from Odysseus’ fleet he had just drowned, and several more in the clips that Jorge-Riviara Harrens (not sure if I spelled that right) releases regularly 😊😊
The Animator people are just normal artists that enjoy the music and put they skill and creativity together to create these beautiful and really cool animations. They followed the development procress of the musical on tiktok and basically decided to base the characters on their original singers (hence why they all resemble each other)
A lot is also take. From the original story the odyssey (like forshadowing and stuff)
,You could say musical is still in its early stages abd i dont think creators has resources to make it a proper play yet, its mostly a internet thing, even if we have snippets of actors playing around yo the music
Fun fact: The layered "Full speed ahead!" with the soldiers and Odysseus was inspired by accidentally unmuting all of the vocal melodies for that line he was deciding on.
there are even partial animatics done using audio sneak peaks
the musical term for the line "600 men" is a motif, which is a lone or melody that repeats throughout the song, in this case for Full Speed Ahead, the motif would actually be the song's title as it repeats in later songs. Its like a sort of inspirational one, pushing Odysseus and his men foward no matter the trials and hardships that await him.
There are mant more examples, like Just A Man which is probably the most common one as the song youve reacted to has already set up the theme of Odysseus' ongoing struggle with his humanity and morality. Anytime this struggle is brought to the forefront, the line of 'just a man' is sung in the same melody as itbwas introduced to us.
Warrior of a Mind is another one, its introduced next by Athena and its kind of the foil to Just A Man where she is calling on him to lay aside his humanity and mercy and do whatever it takes to survive. Whenever she appears and presses Odysseus to betray his morals, the tune 'warrior of a mind'is reintroduced.
Musicals as genius as this one are truly special because its such a complex story and just reading the epic many people get lost, let alone transcribing the characters and plot into a musical. By using the motifs and corresponding instrumental themes, it helps the audience follow the overall attitude and tone of each scene and song :)
2:20 I think it's called a motif, but I'm not 100% sure.
8:18 And this is why we need more reactions..
I cant wait for Warrior of the Mind, that song is my personal favorite.
Also as I quick sienote every main character or God has their own instrumental. Also one more thing, he mentions in a TH-cam short that when certain characters have choruses he gives a reason as to why certain things have those. For humans it has to usually be people singing with him for a chorus but for the god's don't do that they get just because, their you know, God's. I suggest in your free time when you check out his TH-cam shorts cause he gives some info on how all the songs he makes are mr Dave.
Those drawn style animations to music are called “Animatics” I’m sure you could find one for any song in any fanbase
I think the term for the 600 men thing in music is 'call and response', if that's what you meant.
The irony of "Give it a try, it's not that hard." having a difficult high note on "hard" 😆
the using of some melodys or fraces to recall some parts or characters are called "laive motiv"
4:27 RIGHT?! If I ever won the lottery I would use a large chunk of it to give all these Artists, composers, and musicians of this the funds to turn this into a full movie / stage show.
Jorge explains the theme of ruthlessness in the show as Polites is on one end, "Greet the world with open arms", the optimistic diplomat, then there's Poseidon "You could've totally avoided all this had you just killed my son." Completely ruthless.
Just wanna point it out: The electrical guitar you can her near the end of Full Speed Ahead is a sybolism for the danger that follows this action (eben if this danger is in the second saga)
You will understand what the last sequence was as soon as you hear Warrior of the mind
I saw that you reacted to Circe Saga, so I won't worry about a spoiler, but at one point, Hermes was going to have a New Orleans-style sound.
I love howe the optimist who leads this song sings very high, while in the myth the fruit they are offert nakes you gigh and stop caring
Oooh, I can't wait until you see the next two! I'm so excited to watch you go on this journey. It was fantastic, and I'm so happy it's ongoing. I'm new to it as well by a few months, and I'm so excited to see this grow and find out where life will take it. Careful for spoilers if you don't know much about the story! I'd forgotten a good bit, even though back in the day I was a big nerd for Greek and Roman stuff. So it was nice going through this, and seeing things portrayed this way.
Eu adoro ver você vibrando com as músicas. Uma das minhas alegrias é ver outras pessoas curtindo essa obra linda.
All these animatics are indeed fan-made!!
The next saga with the cyclops was so sad I started to cry when I seen this video😢😅
The crazy thing is, Jorge has no official expertise in musical theory. He's just that brilliant.
I’m loving this series!! Keep up the great reactions!
That flashing animation at the end was a tie in between Open Arms and the next animatic "Warriors of the Mind" by the same artist Mircsy. It's REALLY worth a watch. It's not related directly to the main songs, but it's an expanded interpretation by the artist. The "Warrior of the Mind" that Wolfy did is visually impressive, but paced very strangely. Even if Mircsy's Warriors of the Mind is reacted to after catching up in the full playlist, I'd love to see a reaction to it.
There’s a lot of animations and some didn’t do a specific animation for a song so someone else does it to continue it so in a way it’s a community effort which I love 💜 Another cool thing is that the creator Jay used instrumentals for characters so Odysseus has an electric guitar as his theme which I think is cool! The Circe Saga came out on Valentine’s Day so if you want you could listen to them on their own since it’s new so no full animations yet but you got time till you get there!
"they might be smerfs" 😂😂😂
The animatics are all fan made so there are lots of different versions out there.
So excited to watch this later! 😁
what you are thinking of is a motif which is essentially a phrase or piece of instrumentation that is repeated throughout the musical in order for the viewer to make subconscious connections between different parts of the story for example the song just a man is referenced every time Odysseus makes a mistake because of his humanity usually in relation to a god's view of his action. likewise when Odysseus comes up with a plan to resolve a conflict the beginning of the horse and the infant plays.
a recent example that I enjoy is in the first song of the Circe saga which plays a part of full speed ahead. this helps establish a connection to Odysseus' boat which is important to the beginning of the Circe saga but never mentioned vocally
"There is so much guilt inside your heart." I mean, he DID murder an infant, Polites.
Thx for the reaction
The "600 men" is important because at this point Odysseus has led this men during the troyan war and (as another song point out later) NOT ONE OF THEM DIED! ALL 600 OF THEM SURVIVED! FOR 10 YEARS OF WAR!
And then you got the cyclop. And Poseidon. And so many more things and that number trickle down to just 1 making it back home: Odysseus.
It underlines how good of a leader Odysseus was during the war and how bad things can go once you loose the favor of the gods.
Did the apple in his hand become the baby for a bit at the end?
Hey Dave I know you have already listened to ruthlessness as that was your first video in their series but do you plan on watching it again with the new knowledge that you will have at that point
Yes.
The last flashing is there bc of the next song. If you listen to warrior of the mind from this animator, they’ll connect
I think the term you're looking for at 2:20 is leitmotiv.
YIPPEE! IM EXCITED
The animatics are all done by different artist and that's their interpretation of the visual of the song! But the story is still that one, always the same :)
Epic the Musical is only concept albums so far. There’s four so far and all are there own saga. In this order
Troy saga
Cyclops saga
Ocean Saga
Circe Saga.
God survive is going to hit me in the gut all over again now 😭
Dropping a reaction to that tomorrow. I’m in shambles…
@@whatitdodave 😭
I'm pretty sure the writer has spoken to the creator Wolfy so their animatics are the ones I like to watch just cause they'll probably be the closest to his vision.
Also that side eye on the stay back had me hella giggling lmao
Jorge has also worked with Mircy (?) who did a great animatic for "Done For".
The cerce saga was released on v day. There will be like 40 songs in total. right now we're at 17 completed songs. You're about to end the Troy saga and enter the Cyclops Saga. I highly recommend you checking out the "Warrior of the Mind" by mircsy -mɪrtʃi- too.
yea the whole story is not released yet hes only released 4 sagas so far we have roughly half the songs released. Next Saga he releases will be The Underworld Saga.
Sincerly A Person whos has been following Epic since the start
His name is politès because he's polite :33
"Where you get the feeling something bad was going to happen to him." He greeted Polyphemus's club with Open Arms. (I don't apologize for that painful joke by reason of I didn't come up with it, I stole it, so any pain it causes is not on me.)
I'm waiting until later to watch that reaction.
I think its Athena cause the next song is one of hers I think
Oh my God Polites my sweet baby boi
Yea. Polities is fine...
Please tell me you'll redo a reaction to ruthlessness with your new found knowledge when you get there!
I will.