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For majority of my life I have been a theist, but, I questioned a lot of things as a kid. For example, in northern India there is a belief associated with eclipses that one shouldnt go out during solar eclipse. Another example, which made me uncomfortable with beliefs was that one should not sleep with their head pointed in the north direction. And most of the religious people around me used to provide absurd logic for these sets of beliefs to make them sound scientific. They would often blame it on earth's magnetic field, or the rays coming from sun in case of eclipse colliding with moon to create carcinogenic rays. But these answers never satisfied me. Interestingly, I used to look for answers to these questions in religious texts, because my belief was that my belief in God (specially Krishna) would save me from any of these troubles and so as a believer I dont need to fear eclipses or the direction in which my head faces while I am sleeping. Fortunately my transition had nothing to do with anything bad happening to me. But things changed when I started observing some sort of discrimination, sexism, racism, casteism etc., in nearly all the religious texts. Interestingly, it all started with the academic study of Quran and the Shariat Laws in 2014 (I was in law school and Shariat was part of the curriculum). Initially my relatives and family were happy that I was openly criticizing them. But little did they know, it was just the beginning. I moved on to Bible, then to Ramayana and Mahabharata and later on to the Vedas. By the time I finished with them it was already 2018, and now the same people were not happy with my criticisms of their own God/s and beliefs. I could literally see their hypocrisy and whataboutery dripping all over the place. During Covid pandemic in early 2020, I was introduced to Vimoh's Instagram which gave me another set of perspectives to look at the idea of God/s and beliefs. That was precisely the time I started actively reading about atheism and became a gnostic atheist. Later, over conversations on live calls with Vimoh, I read more and became an agnostic atheist. And then in one of yours last livestreams with Vimoh as guest, you dropped another bomb as to the whole idea of knowledge and belief. Now I only know that I dont believe in any God/s, but I dont know if I will be comfortable enough to qualify my position as agnostic atheism. 😅 Labels have been hard for me to keep. I am glad I was introduced to Vimoh's channel and from there to your channel as a lot of my ideas about atheism and rationality have been influenced by perspectives I get from both of you. Keep enlightening us. Much respect and power to you guys. 😍
Thanks for sharing! I feel your path of "knowledge" is the best way to get out of religion. The hypocrites don't understand that there are bad ideas in every religion and the only way to get rid of them is to look at them from the neutral stand point of atheism.
Many of them leave their religion not because of any intellectual vacuity it has but rather it is purely for personal reasons.. When you do a headcount of irreligious people in India, you would find that the majority of them are from the Abrahamic faiths and that too especially Islam. In Hinduism there are only 2 strong things that affect or interfere in a person's personal life and thus it has been forced practice, namely Caste System/Untouchability and Marriage Horoscope. All the other beliefs and practices in Hinduism do not interfere in a person's personal life in an extreme manner, hence many Hindus don't tend to leave their religion in large numbers as the people from abrahamic religions do. Generally Hindus are not forced to go to their temples or forced to pray or are forced to follow rituals except in some cases, that too in orthodox/ritualistic religious families... Otherwise a Hindu is free to do what he/she pleases and their religion would never interfere in their personal lives Hence, it's not for Intellectual reasons but rather for Personal reasons why a large majority of people discard their religion. PS : Sati was thankfully abolished..
Ok What casteism racism you found on Vedas Ramayana? Infact Bhagavd gita 4.7 is the exact opposite Also Were you under a guru or an acharya? Which philosphy did you read and learn from Vedas? Dvaita or Advaita or vishishtadvaita or dvaita Advaita or achintya bheda abheda or shudh advaita?
Agreed this effort is all about knowing and Knowledge Finding out what is the truth and helpful for humanity......❤ This will definitely help us to grow faster....
Science is dope should also do livestream with the Bangladeshi rationalist community cause they are very under represented in both international and Bangladeshi media.
I have seen many unethical theists in my life but there are many more ethical theists.Also I have observed that atheists are generally ethical since they advocate for rationality but I have also met an arrogant atheist too. So it seems being atheist or theist have nothing to do with being moral.
People use all the products made by scientists like mobile, TV, camera, mic, laptop, various machines, vehicles and still blame science I mean look at their hypocrisy 😂
@@saranam322 If atheism is defined as disbelief in the existence of a god, then Jainism cannot be labeled as atheistic, as it not only believes in the existence of gods but also of the soul which can attain godhood.
@vimoh means dissillusionment, which is actually very fitting for your channels vimoh in the sense that you dispell the illusions of the religio-nationalist rhetoric prevalent in India, whoever said it means that you spread illusions is wrong.
For Indian sci-fi at beginner level, I think Satyajit Ray's short stories anthology and Professor Shonku stories are also quite good. They are beloved by Bengali readers.
And u say there exists no God. Who do u think cut off ur internet at the beginning of the stream? It was indeed an act of God. JK😅, love ur content Pranav. Keep up making such good content ..
@@ds23dec2k15there are variations in atheists also, some retards act like being atheist will make them already a hardcore intellectual and logical person
The reason fanatics are strong and trying to be united in their worldview and especially traditionalist ideas of the holy cow is mainly due to external pressure from Islamists and missionaries. Otherwise India has a huge majority of 'mind my own business' type moderate hindus and raitha nationalists as compared to the fanatic ultra devotional traditionalists whose ultimate activity is to enforce traditions. 🔷
Anybody who wants to get a correct logical perspective of the phenomenon of religion, then one must study one of the greatest Sociologists of all time and his work on religion. The Elementary Forms Of Religious Life by Emile Durkheim. 🟣
For majority of my life I have been a theist, but, I questioned a lot of things as a kid. For example, in northern India there is a belief associated with eclipses that one shouldnt go out during solar eclipse. Another example, which made me uncomfortable with beliefs was that one should not sleep with their head pointed in the north direction. And most of the religious people around me used to provide absurd logic for these sets of beliefs to make them sound scientific. They would often blame it on earth's magnetic field, or the rays coming from sun in case of eclipse colliding with moon to create carcinogenic rays. But these answers never satisfied me. Interestingly, I used to look for answers to these questions in religious texts, because my belief was that my belief in God (specially Krishna) would save me from any of these troubles and so as a believer I dont need to fear eclipses or the direction in which my head faces while I am sleeping.
Fortunately my transition had nothing to do with anything bad happening to me. But things changed when I started observing some sort of discrimination, sexism, racism, casteism etc., in nearly all the religious texts. Interestingly, it all started with the academic study of Quran and the Shariat Laws in 2014 (I was in law school and Shariat was part of the curriculum). Initially my relatives and family were happy that I was openly criticizing them. But little did they know, it was just the beginning. I moved on to Bible, then to Ramayana and Mahabharata and later on to the Vedas. By the time I finished with them it was already 2018, and now the same people were not happy with my criticisms of their own God/s and beliefs. I could literally see their hypocrisy and whataboutery dripping all over the place. During Covid pandemic in early 2020, I was introduced to Vimoh's Instagram which gave me another set of perspectives to look at the idea of God/s and beliefs. That was precisely the time I started actively reading about atheism and became a gnostic atheist. Later, over conversations on live calls with Vimoh, I read more and became an agnostic atheist. And then in one of yours last livestreams with Vimoh as guest, you dropped another bomb as to the whole idea of knowledge and belief. Now I only know that I dont believe in any God/s, but I dont know if I will be comfortable enough to qualify my position as agnostic atheism. 😅 Labels have been hard for me to keep.
I am glad I was introduced to Vimoh's channel and from there to your channel as a lot of my ideas about atheism and rationality have been influenced by perspectives I get from both of you. Keep enlightening us. Much respect and power to you guys. 😍
You are a nice person. Just try to spread awareness and help fight religious extremism which is need of an hour for nation. 🙏
Thanks for sharing! I feel your path of "knowledge" is the best way to get out of religion. The hypocrites don't understand that there are bad ideas in every religion and the only way to get rid of them is to look at them from the neutral stand point of atheism.
Many of them leave their religion not because of any intellectual vacuity it has but rather it is purely for personal reasons..
When you do a headcount of irreligious people in India, you would find that the majority of them are from the Abrahamic faiths and that too especially Islam.
In Hinduism there are only 2 strong things that affect or interfere in a person's personal life and thus it has been forced practice, namely Caste System/Untouchability and Marriage Horoscope.
All the other beliefs and practices in Hinduism do not interfere in a person's personal life in an extreme manner, hence many Hindus don't tend to leave their religion in large numbers as the people from abrahamic religions do.
Generally Hindus are not forced to go to their temples or forced to pray or are forced to follow rituals except in some cases, that too in orthodox/ritualistic religious families... Otherwise a Hindu is free to do what he/she pleases and their religion would never interfere in their personal lives
Hence, it's not for Intellectual reasons but rather for Personal reasons why a large majority of people discard their religion.
PS : Sati was thankfully abolished..
Yeah, IF you can't provide logic for what you believe, don't force it over others. That solar eclipse thing is very relatable.
Ok
What casteism racism you found on Vedas Ramayana?
Infact
Bhagavd gita 4.7 is the exact opposite
Also
Were you under a guru or an acharya?
Which philosphy did you read and learn from Vedas?
Dvaita or Advaita or vishishtadvaita or dvaita Advaita or achintya bheda abheda or shudh advaita?
Agreed this effort is all about knowing and Knowledge
Finding out what is the truth and helpful for humanity......❤
This will definitely help us to grow faster....
both athiests and thiests are the same they both belive what they dont know
Science is dope should also do livestream with the Bangladeshi rationalist community cause they are very under represented in both international and Bangladeshi media.
Do a" journey to spirituality" series with first guest as ranveer 🗿
Sure he is meant for dis😢
Ok edgy fight club fan, you mainly be going through wannabe depressed masculinity phase , edginess you all spit on internet is disgusting
Tittle will be : Do aliens follow spirituality as well?
I guess this dude don't beg for views
Kya apne yeti dkha h
I have seen many unethical theists in my life but there are many more ethical theists.Also I have observed that atheists are generally ethical since they advocate for rationality but I have also met an arrogant atheist too. So it seems being atheist or theist have nothing to do with being moral.
People use all the products made by scientists like mobile, TV, camera, mic, laptop, various machines, vehicles and still blame science I mean look at their hypocrisy 😂
I am jain by birth but Atheist from the moment I met science man.
💚
Jainism also Atheist religion.
That right, aren't jains supposed to be atheists??😂😂 Do you even know your religion?
@@saranam322 If atheism is defined as disbelief in the existence of a god, then Jainism cannot be labeled as atheistic, as it not only believes in the existence of gods but also of the soul which can attain godhood.
@@prodigious5766 atheist mean they don't believe in existence of God !
As someone born in 2005 Learned many things from vimoh today that I didn't know.
@vimoh means dissillusionment, which is actually very fitting for your channels vimoh in the sense that you dispell the illusions of the religio-nationalist rhetoric prevalent in India, whoever said it means that you spread illusions is wrong.
For Indian sci-fi at beginner level, I think Satyajit Ray's short stories anthology and Professor Shonku stories are also quite good. They are beloved by Bengali readers.
Love your channel. Subscribed it. Please make a video on John Lennox.
And u say there exists no God. Who do u think cut off ur internet at the beginning of the stream?
It was indeed an act of God. JK😅, love ur content Pranav. Keep up making such good content ..
Correction, that was Sadhguru with a glass of water.
Vimoh was too funny humming Star Wars theme
I think you need to do another show with Arif.
I don’t get notification of your videos and live shows… has youtube done something regarding your content..???
Distinguish between atheism and agnosticism.
Atheist will say - There's no god
Agnostic will say - I don't know and probably there's no god
@@ds23dec2k15there are variations in atheists also, some retards act like being atheist will make them already a hardcore intellectual and logical person
@@ds23dec2k15and Ignostic atheists will say that none of the above statements make any coherent meaning.
29:10 book recommendation
The reason fanatics are strong and trying to be united in their worldview and especially traditionalist ideas of the holy cow is mainly due to external pressure from Islamists and missionaries.
Otherwise India has a huge majority of 'mind my own business' type moderate hindus and raitha nationalists as compared to the fanatic ultra devotional traditionalists whose ultimate activity is to enforce traditions. 🔷
Convi starts at 15:00
Anybody who wants to get a correct logical perspective of the phenomenon of religion, then one must study one of the greatest Sociologists of all time and his work on religion. The Elementary Forms Of Religious Life by Emile Durkheim. 🟣