S1-S3 was peak gvg. Now it all comes down to the direction of the content. If money talks, peasants like me will never have a chance, but if they wanna make it competitive and team oriented, then there is surely a lot of ways to fix it.
They added a demon soldier that increases magic dmg resistance of allies...but he is low hp and takes more dmg from Arbiters and Watchers.Are you serious???
I saw a good suggestion somewhere - assign 3 factions to each tower/keep, and only lord bonuses from those faction work. So only 1 in 3 people can run a full power Arbiter team. And you'll hopefully see a bunch of other factions. And people can still run that lineup, but it will be beatable. For matchmaking, I don't mind it pairing you with someone +- 4 places, I just think the swings for wins/losses are way too high. So all the teams are still bouncing up and down wildly, with very few close battles.
Yeah, I think the big problem is you're either a riser or a faller, and you either meet a riser or a faller. Riser/riser and faller/faller matchups might be close, but riser/faller and faller/riser matchups are pretty much guaranteed to be blowouts. There should probably only be small swings for small wins/losses, and something to prevent rematches when guilds are close (e.g. can't match up again until 4 weeks has passed, or something like that).
The addition of both Ingrid & Praetus broke the game in so many aspects. Both GvG and Arena are unplayable due to them. Hope they fix something in their upcoming patch/update.
people just attack the same way all the time no one ever try to find a new way to attack, that's the issue copy paste copy paste the youtube's attack and defence. If no one were making videos of gvg defence it would be a different game.
Il y'aura toujours des unités plus puissantes que d'autre... meme s'ils changeaient quoique se soit... il y'aurait toujours des unité peter que d'autre... et ceux qui mettent beaucoup d'argent ou ceux qui ont beaucoup de chances domineront toujours
This is my main complaint too. It's so boring. I see Pope/Ingrid as a problem. But equal of a problem I see is carn/lili without them... even the pope/ingrid teams can fall.
I just said this today to my guild. Attacking is becoming impossible. This game mode needs a big shakeup. Or the guild who wins is the guild that makes a mistake in defense
Totally agree....the only way is to have OP demons...which is basically too expensive and/or too long to achieve. Just spent last 3 weeks in GR2 to get 16 parts of the angel which will allow me to reach lvl 4...and got none in like 3 to 4.000 runs....thats not accettable.... Hope they fix this....
@@jbbr-adventures A few things wrong with it. Ai is not in the typical placement. Most people actually swap Praetus and Ai. Ai doesn’t look to be running the attack speed that is common with the team setup. Finally is a 10% chance based on RNG a real solution?
@ it’s a Strat, 10% chance is better than 0% with others. But still, you have a point, I’m not saying you are wrong at all. I’m the same in Arena, I don’t have Ingrid and I get wiped in AoE and most of the time Anti Air.
Your not wrong about fat man an legs being OP an breaking the game on some ways and your also not wrong about needing map variety. But your also not all the way correct either. What i mean is, there other contributing factors. 1) BP, i dont care how good a team is, if the gear/BP aint there, then it will lose. - i call this “getting BP’d” 2) competency of the comp, like u eluded to, theres other factors such as carnellion fir example. Those factors are just as important 3) ability to atk, timing has to be precise and you must have the BP/affiliations to not get BP’d on the other end. 4) competency of the atk (same as 2 but the opposite side of things) I have always been an advocate that fat man an legs r busted. I now have both (a2 fat man an a1 legs) and i stand by it. They are busted. The caveat is, they are also very rare. Arbitor an chaos to a degree are designed to be the pay to win factions an you should get what you pay for. Imagine the backlash if they obsoleted these 2? Imagine the backlash if they nerf’d them or limited them? Analogy: If i spend the $ or get super lucky an have a ferrari and you have a honda civic cause it was free or what you could afford and we race (no matter the track) dont u think u should expect to lose the race? Maybe u der perfect circumstances you can beat me BUT 9/10 times its not even close. All that is to say, more variety an viable options are welcome an i would love it to be so. Maps are NOT the answer. Alls map changes do is create a new meta. There will always be a “meta comp” so why do we care if its praetus/ingrid? Very long winded but limiting their use is a bad bad idea. They r the hardest to get so when u get em, it should be worth the investment, beneficial, and while i agree they are cracked, it should be so. You should have an advantage if u get em.
They’ve given plenty of USS out lately to boost your BP heroes to take out these teams, but everyone wanted to boost PvE heroes (like monkey king) then complain about gvg. Answer is simple… farm more & get better BP gear if you want to be successful in GvG
Brother. You do realize i’m in OL right. You do realize the people that play GvG are only going to use SS on GvG units. Also you do know that the comp that is being referred doesn’t benefit from USS. I also am part of the problem. I have a praetus and ingrid that I use. I also have a 120k + affils. The issue isnt “ oh boy let’s go farm more and get some higher BP “ Like that’s going to counter running into a standard pope ingrid team. Also. Unfortunately, I don’t think you realize that Wukong is literally being used in OL GvG because he’s strong af.
@korywor so being the Previous leader of the S5 #3 gvg guild in the world and currently in MAD, believe it or not I do know what I’m talking about. Just because you’re in OL doesn’t mean you’re good, probably why you guys missed it last season. There are several strategies to take out the Ingrid pope ai comps, but they just take high BP. Which comes from Awakenings from those free USS’s Moonton has been handing out lately and better BP gear.
@@Jacob_WoR Msg me: korycreates not for strats but perspective? Because I see what you’re trying to say but it sounds partially unrealistic as it’s a very long term solution to an immediate problem
It's absolutely ridiculous, and sadly ironic, that you can get so much out of using skill, versus p2w, but gvg(pvp) is held back, not by a paywall, because you can't pay for better gear or do shorter runs, but by rng in farming demon soldiers.
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S1-S3 was peak gvg. Now it all comes down to the direction of the content. If money talks, peasants like me will never have a chance, but if they wanna make it competitive and team oriented, then there is surely a lot of ways to fix it.
They added a demon soldier that increases magic dmg resistance of allies...but he is low hp and takes more dmg from Arbiters and Watchers.Are you serious???
I saw a good suggestion somewhere - assign 3 factions to each tower/keep, and only lord bonuses from those faction work. So only 1 in 3 people can run a full power Arbiter team. And you'll hopefully see a bunch of other factions. And people can still run that lineup, but it will be beatable.
For matchmaking, I don't mind it pairing you with someone +- 4 places, I just think the swings for wins/losses are way too high. So all the teams are still bouncing up and down wildly, with very few close battles.
Yeah, I think the big problem is you're either a riser or a faller, and you either meet a riser or a faller. Riser/riser and faller/faller matchups might be close, but riser/faller and faller/riser matchups are pretty much guaranteed to be blowouts.
There should probably only be small swings for small wins/losses, and something to prevent rematches when guilds are close (e.g. can't match up again until 4 weeks has passed, or something like that).
The addition of both Ingrid & Praetus broke the game in so many aspects. Both GvG and Arena are unplayable due to them. Hope they fix something in their upcoming patch/update.
people just attack the same way all the time no one ever try to find a new way to attack, that's the issue copy paste copy paste the youtube's attack and defence. If no one were making videos of gvg defence it would be a different game.
Il y'aura toujours des unités plus puissantes que d'autre... meme s'ils changeaient quoique se soit... il y'aurait toujours des unité peter que d'autre... et ceux qui mettent beaucoup d'argent ou ceux qui ont beaucoup de chances domineront toujours
This is my main complaint too. It's so boring. I see Pope/Ingrid as a problem. But equal of a problem I see is carn/lili without them... even the pope/ingrid teams can fall.
Me, with no Ingrid, sitting here like: 😭💔
Me too!
Yes and if it wasn’t those heroes it would be other heroes
I just said this today to my guild. Attacking is becoming impossible. This game mode needs a big shakeup. Or the guild who wins is the guild that makes a mistake in defense
Yeah last season defences were weak and now they went the other extreme and made defences OP lol.
They should implement a weekly ban on ceratin hero to show TRUE defense strategies not this meta comp that makes the gvg so boring.
50-50 looks good to me, there is always gonna be a meta no matter what.
@@ganjeno 50-50 isnt bad. 50-50 being determined by a combination of 4 units is.
@ ok
Demon soldiers 2.0 are supposed to be coming. Maybe that will help.
The devs don’t play their own game and they will suck ass 100%
Why not show a match? Show one of your guild's strongest teams lose to this combo to show why it is broken.
Totally agree....the only way is to have OP demons...which is basically too expensive and/or too long to achieve.
Just spent last 3 weeks in GR2 to get 16 parts of the angel which will allow me to reach lvl 4...and got none in like 3 to 4.000 runs....thats not accettable....
Hope they fix this....
Destined put out a video on how to beat it easy. th-cam.com/video/H7AdFVhLUC8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=o_WVRjtIPjyDG3yN
@@jbbr-adventures A few things wrong with it. Ai is not in the typical placement. Most people actually swap Praetus and Ai. Ai doesn’t look to be running the attack speed that is common with the team setup. Finally is a 10% chance based on RNG a real solution?
@ it’s a Strat, 10% chance is better than 0% with others.
But still, you have a point, I’m not saying you are wrong at all.
I’m the same in Arena, I don’t have Ingrid and I get wiped in AoE and most of the time Anti Air.
@ Haha the best way to at least counter ingrid in anti air is Piercers with high awakened Nyx + Silas and Hattsut!
ВГ в данной игре помойка. Пока не будет персонажи vs персонажи, будет дисбаланс.
I summoned 180 on Ingrid's banner, got a Torodor:()
Twinfiend here...
I find a way to beat that team necro healer infernal priest magic tank dogs
I hate GvG with a passion. Nearly as much as arena
Your not wrong about fat man an legs being OP an breaking the game on some ways and your also not wrong about needing map variety.
But your also not all the way correct either.
What i mean is, there other contributing factors.
1) BP, i dont care how good a team is, if the gear/BP aint there, then it will lose.
- i call this “getting BP’d”
2) competency of the comp, like u eluded to, theres other factors such as carnellion fir example.
Those factors are just as important
3) ability to atk, timing has to be precise and you must have the BP/affiliations to not get BP’d on the other end.
4) competency of the atk (same as 2 but the opposite side of things)
I have always been an advocate that fat man an legs r busted. I now have both (a2 fat man an a1 legs) and i stand by it. They are busted.
The caveat is, they are also very rare. Arbitor an chaos to a degree are designed to be the pay to win factions an you should get what you pay for.
Imagine the backlash if they obsoleted these 2? Imagine the backlash if they nerf’d them or limited them?
Analogy:
If i spend the $ or get super lucky an have a ferrari and you have a honda civic cause it was free or what you could afford and we race (no matter the track) dont u think u should expect to lose the race? Maybe u der perfect circumstances you can beat me BUT 9/10 times its not even close.
All that is to say, more variety an viable options are welcome an i would love it to be so.
Maps are NOT the answer. Alls map changes do is create a new meta. There will always be a “meta comp” so why do we care if its praetus/ingrid?
Very long winded but limiting their use is a bad bad idea. They r the hardest to get so when u get em, it should be worth the investment, beneficial, and while i agree they are cracked, it should be so. You should have an advantage if u get em.
They’ve given plenty of USS out lately to boost your BP heroes to take out these teams, but everyone wanted to boost PvE heroes (like monkey king) then complain about gvg. Answer is simple… farm more & get better BP gear if you want to be successful in GvG
Brother. You do realize i’m in OL right. You do realize the people that play GvG are only going to use SS on GvG units. Also you do know that the comp that is being referred doesn’t benefit from USS.
I also am part of the problem. I have a praetus and ingrid that I use. I also have a 120k + affils. The issue isnt “ oh boy let’s go farm more and get some higher BP “ Like that’s going to counter running into a standard pope ingrid team.
Also. Unfortunately, I don’t think you realize that Wukong is literally being used in OL GvG because he’s strong af.
@korywor so being the Previous leader of the S5 #3 gvg guild in the world and currently in MAD, believe it or not I do know what I’m talking about. Just because you’re in OL doesn’t mean you’re good, probably why you guys missed it last season. There are several strategies to take out the Ingrid pope ai comps, but they just take high BP. Which comes from Awakenings from those free USS’s Moonton has been handing out lately and better BP gear.
@@Jacob_WoR Msg me: korycreates
not for strats but perspective? Because I see what you’re trying to say but it sounds partially unrealistic as it’s a very long term solution to an immediate problem
@@korywor sure mate, is this your discord or in game name
@ disc brotha!
It's absolutely ridiculous, and sadly ironic, that you can get so much out of using skill, versus p2w, but gvg(pvp) is held back, not by a paywall, because you can't pay for better gear or do shorter runs, but by rng in farming demon soldiers.