I have a No. 347 that I attempted to restore. These registers are monsters. Very heavy. I assume to deter robbery. I could not get it to run easily. It always jams up. After seeing your restoration I may give it another try. Very good presentation.
I came here because i was remembering the metal toy register I had as a kid, I loved the tactile sensations and the sounds sounds it made. This was great. Also, I was at NY Penn Station recently and saw that they got rid of the big board for train announcements. Everyone woukd stand and wait and listen and watch for the “counters” to stop rolling. Now instead of a big board, there are small electronic screens at various locations. I sure missed standing and waiting for that sound of the big board we were all watching. It made me feel like everyone there was all connected somehow. I hope they are preserving that board somehow. Thanks for the memories.
Experiences from being a NCR field engineer: Cashiers, and it usually was in bars it seemed, instead of putting the bill the customer handed them for the sale on the coin slab, they would lay it across the open cash drawer to make change. Occasionally the cashier would forget to put the bill into its compartment and close the drawer. The bill was now on top of the drawer dividers and the base of the machine. Bills rarely are perfectly flat so the next time the drawer was opened the bill would fall behind the drawer and get "crumpled" in the area behind the drawer. Eventually the drawer would not close and a service call would be made. The field engineer would arrive, remove the drawer, and find $20's and $10's crammed behind the drawer. Literally hundreds of dollars sometimes! I knew of a bartender that was fired because his drawer was short cash at the end of his shift and the owner/manager thought he was stealing.
My dad used to be the head bartender at a bar with 2 old cash registers, they would run both all night but only say they used one to keep the rest of the cash tax free because old mschines don't keep a totoal
Live in a small mountain town. Local general store still did customer credit/tabs (if they knew you) clear up until last year when the chain store bought them out. It was so nice only having to pay for groceries like once a month. Btw, if i owned a store i would totally still use a register like this. Just SO COOL!
My grandparents ran a little rural gas station and diner until 1985 when grandma got sick. I remember behind the counter there was an antique cash register and a mechanical adding machine. I'd play with the adding machine when I was a kid, but the register was locked up.
That printer set up NEVER changed on any National monster. I ran check out on one of these up until 1983. Changing the tape while it was busy was a nightmare because that was the time it would always jam. Also, if the power went out, we still stayed open because even though ours were powered, you could still crank them. With more features like subtotal and total, cash tendered, it required more cranks and it took two people to run it, one to crank, one to take care of the customer! Pay out was for money paid out by the establishment for bills like petty cash before stores had book keepers or managers. That button was normally locked out or if unlocked, it was used for refunds, if you used it too many times, the owner would want to know the nature of those refunds! There was a No Sale button for use to open the drawer for making change.
I had a predecessor of this NCR unit, back in the early 70's. It had 4 cash drawers and was a pinchbar model. I sold it at auction in 1978 for $650.⁰⁰ at Hovmand Galleries in Winnipeg. The original dry goods store that used the cash register was G&E Cash Store in Lundar, MB
So interesting to see all the features! Beautiful machine! Looking forward to upcoming episodes on these timeless machines! I consider these National Cash Registers works of art ! Thank You! 😃👏🏻
Thank you for this video. i had just watched a restoration on a National register from 1914 and I was fascinated. Luckily, TH-cam knew what I wanted (kinda creepy) and suggested this video. I watched every minute of it.
I love those old mechanical cash registers. Reminds me of my childhood but I'm not that old but I do remember seeing cash registers like this. Great channel 👏
My dad worked for NCR for 45 years I have seen them all I used to go with him on calls they where the first company to have a system like the internet .apple computers and NCR where compatible in the early 80s
A theme park near me had one of these at a gift shop, fully functioning. I loved playing with it as a kid and hearing that cha-ching when I turned the crank
Been inerested in these things since the mid 80s and I just now learned that the marble top was used to help figure out fake coins back in the day. So cool.
11:22 It was best practice to start with the largest coin first. Fifty cent piece, quarter, nickel, penny. I made change in the olden days. It was a full service gas station though, not a grocery store.
Beautiful restoration. I didn't know the total was done by headwork and just the total was entered in the machine. That alone would have kept me out of the retail business. When did self-adding machines come out?
When I was a kid and I bought something my parents would always say "Did you count your change?" "Count your change!". And I never did. Now a days most of us don't get change.
Awesome video! I have an NCR Model 442 that my husband bought as a collector item 50 years ago. The cash drawer should work- but someone visiting our home just started pushing buttons and now it is jammed. The window shows all red. The handle will not turn- and clear/reset button is not budging. Any suggestions to resolve this?? Please help! My husband is now deceased and I am not able to resolve this but found so much great information on your video. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!!
Here's a tip for you: instead of going over all the extra bits at the start, and saying "I'll show you where that goes later", just introduce them as the demonstration progresses. Makes more sense, makes the video more streamlined.
I got genuine receipt paper from eBay (new old stock), but that is pretty easily torn and jams up a lot. So then I just bought a wider roll of craft paper and cut it down on my table saw. The printers are many different sizes (widths). The ink is machine numbering ink that doesn't try out as readily, but first I scuffed up the felt rollers a bit. There's also a small rectangular ink pad, and for that I just cut a piece from an old self-stamping stamp's ink pad. Good luck!
The Crank is out of time. It should be at 6 o'clock. The "undo button" is called the "Keys Release Lever". The plate that has the Store name on it is called the "Electro". And the pieces that hold the paper money down, are called "Bill Weights".
Hi, I have just bought one the same as this. The keys are in the draw and the draw has been closed. The handle on the right is stuck/locked in position. Is there anyway to get is open?
Congrats on the restoration. It was beautiful. I don't know if you can help me. I am restoring a 452 and would like to remove the value rotary indicators. I saw that it has an axle but I couldn't remove the axle. Even knocking, it looks like there's something preventing the axle from coming out. Will you help me? Thank you very much in advance.
I just purchased a NCR model 441, the "charge, r on acct and paid out buttons push in when I press the money buttons but will not crank.. Could it be a easy fix? Those are the only three I'm having trouble with... thanks
11:45 When I ran a register, the largest bills were always on the left, and the ones were always on the right hand slot. In addition, I was taught to count the change back to the customer so they couldn't dispute it.
Thank you! I've heard them called "glass key checks" - I'm not sure if that's the super thin glass over the numbers/letters. The numbers and letters appear to be printed on metal disks.
The counters across the top are hidden until you turn a key up on the right side, and when the key is turned it uncovers the numbers and an opening into which you insert a longer, special key that turns them all to zeroes. The counters on the front, which have lockable lids, are reset with thumb wheels. Thanks for watching!
If you were to ask me 'how much do I owe you?' I'd be standing there with a blank look on my face as math is not my best subject! Nor is money management. Was never taught how to manage money or handle it properly, just this is how much you have after bills and rent go spend it at the bar.
A few years ago I saw some on eBay and grabbed it. It had been shrink-wrapped at some point which I think helped preserve it. But otherwise I've found that you can use any roll of paper if you cut it to the right width on a table saw. It does help if the paper itself is the right thickness - somewhere between plain copier paper and kraft paper.
Looking for a National Cash Register repair person in the Phoenix, Arizona area - I have two machines that need TLC - one is frozen and the other works but the draws won’t open - can anyone help?
Glad you liked it - coming in a few weeks is an extensive restoration video of one. Of course the best ones to me are the dusty, rusty ones because people who restore them and then sell them have unrealistic prices in mind. Craigslist for your area, eBay but shipping is tough and expensive...a model like this should go for around $400-500. Good luck!
06:48 - It was called the Incorruptible Cashier, meaning "scrupulously honest, and unsusceptible to the temptation to steal". "The Incorrigible Register" means the opposite, that it's pathologically corrupt and you can't make it change its evil ways. 🤓
Your microphone sensitivity is a bit high mate, it is a little unnerving hearing you breathe in before every sentence. I think it might be a bit better to have a mic on your person instead of the camera I don't know if you do but it kind of seems like it is on the camera. Just trying to be helpful.
To Hell with the damn modern flat/minimalist design!! This is beauty!!
Agreed...so sick of the 'everything is a flat blank white surface' aesthetic. No imagination
Agree totally. Modern machines are devoid of character and we have generations who are clueless about these masterpieces!
I have a No. 347 that I attempted to restore. These registers are monsters. Very heavy. I assume to deter robbery. I could not get it to run easily. It always jams up. After seeing your restoration I may give it another try. Very good presentation.
I came here because i was remembering the metal toy register I had as a kid, I loved the tactile sensations and the sounds sounds it made. This was great. Also, I was at NY Penn Station recently and saw that they got rid of the big board for train announcements. Everyone woukd stand and wait and listen and watch for the “counters” to stop rolling. Now instead of a big board, there are small electronic screens at various locations. I sure missed standing and waiting for that sound of the big board we were all watching. It made me feel like everyone there was all connected somehow. I hope they are preserving that board somehow. Thanks for the memories.
Experiences from being a NCR field engineer: Cashiers, and it usually was in bars it seemed, instead of putting the bill the customer handed them for the sale on the coin slab, they would lay it across the open cash drawer to make change. Occasionally the cashier would forget to put the bill into its compartment and close the drawer. The bill was now on top of the drawer dividers and the base of the machine. Bills rarely are perfectly flat so the next time the drawer was opened the bill would fall behind the drawer and get "crumpled" in the area behind the drawer. Eventually the drawer would not close and a service call would be made. The field engineer would arrive, remove the drawer, and find $20's and $10's crammed behind the drawer. Literally hundreds of dollars sometimes! I knew of a bartender that was fired because his drawer was short cash at the end of his shift and the owner/manager thought he was stealing.
My dad used to be the head bartender at a bar with 2 old cash registers, they would run both all night but only say they used one to keep the rest of the cash tax free because old mschines don't keep a totoal
Live in a small mountain town. Local general store still did customer credit/tabs (if they knew you) clear up until last year when the chain store bought them out. It was so nice only having to pay for groceries like once a month. Btw, if i owned a store i would totally still use a register like this. Just SO COOL!
My grandparents ran a little rural gas station and diner until 1985 when grandma got sick. I remember behind the counter there was an antique cash register and a mechanical adding machine. I'd play with the adding machine when I was a kid, but the register was locked up.
That printer set up NEVER changed on any National monster. I ran check out on one of these up until 1983. Changing the tape while it was busy was a nightmare because that was the time it would always jam. Also, if the power went out, we still stayed open because even though ours were powered, you could still crank them. With more features like subtotal and total, cash tendered, it required more cranks and it took two people to run it, one to crank, one to take care of the customer! Pay out was for money paid out by the establishment for bills like petty cash before stores had book keepers or managers. That button was normally locked out or if unlocked, it was used for refunds, if you used it too many times, the owner would want to know the nature of those refunds! There was a No Sale button for use to open the drawer for making change.
I had a predecessor of this NCR unit, back in the early 70's. It had 4 cash drawers and was a pinchbar model. I sold it at auction in 1978 for $650.⁰⁰ at Hovmand Galleries in Winnipeg. The original dry goods store that used the cash register was G&E Cash Store in Lundar, MB
Thank you for taking the time to show us these rare beauties.
So interesting to see all the features! Beautiful machine! Looking forward to upcoming episodes on these timeless machines! I consider these National Cash Registers works of art ! Thank You! 😃👏🏻
This is the moste beautiful cash register I have ever seen in my life.
Thank you for this video. i had just watched a restoration on a National register from 1914 and I was fascinated. Luckily, TH-cam knew what I wanted (kinda creepy) and suggested this video. I watched every minute of it.
I love those old mechanical cash registers. Reminds me of my childhood but I'm not that old but I do remember seeing cash registers like this. Great channel 👏
My dad worked for NCR for 45 years I have seen them all I used to go with him on calls they where the first company to have a system like the internet .apple computers and NCR where compatible in the early 80s
A theme park near me had one of these at a gift shop, fully functioning. I loved playing with it as a kid and hearing that cha-ching when I turned the crank
We just don't see beautiful things like this anymore, I remember as a kid being fascinated by cash registers.
The elegance with which they made thes machines! Every component an artistic masterpiece by itself!
So far the best restoration video. i enjoy watching it..
Looking forward to your next episode. Love that you're sharing your appreciation and giving us a sense of the past.
Been inerested in these things since the mid 80s and I just now learned that the marble top was used to help figure out fake coins back in the day. So cool.
“Do you mind bagging this up?”
“I don’t know what a bag is…”
😂
Definitely much more beautiful and interesting then Apple Pay, love your videos! Thanks for sharing !
11:22 It was best practice to start with the largest coin first. Fifty cent piece, quarter, nickel, penny. I made change in the olden days. It was a full service gas station though, not a grocery store.
Beautiful job on the restoration. I have done many with cars in my 33yrs of doing Auto body.
My parents took over a small western west store which had one. It’s still in the family ❤
I use one of those as the cash drawer in my shop every day!
Beautiful restoration. I didn't know the total was done by headwork and just the total was entered in the machine. That alone would have kept me out of the retail business.
When did self-adding machines come out?
I don't know how i ended up here but I'm glad i did!
This is very helpful for my novel. Thank you!
Damn, learned how to count change, thanks BOM Reviews!
This was so interesting to watch
When I was a kid and I bought something my parents would always say "Did you count your change?" "Count your change!". And I never did. Now a days most of us don't get change.
The NI part made me laugh out loud. Brilliant.
Gotta say that my own NI facial recognition algorhythms are a bit lacking in performance.
Very interesting machine.
Fantastic video, thank you for sharing!
Nice improvised use of the dog's bedding...
Fantastic !!! Thank you for the video
Machines are amazing.
Awesome video! I have an NCR Model 442 that my husband bought as a collector item 50 years ago. The cash drawer should work- but someone visiting our home just started pushing buttons and now it is jammed. The window shows all red. The handle will not turn- and clear/reset button is not budging. Any suggestions to resolve this?? Please help! My husband is now deceased and I am not able to resolve this but found so much great information on your video. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!!
I once owned a predecessor of this model. It had 4 different cash drawers and had pinch bars.
Such a cool video, I just picked up a nice 1903 NCR 1064c, fascinated by it, in great shape, but needs some TLC
Here's a tip for you: instead of going over all the extra bits at the start, and saying "I'll show you where that goes later", just introduce them as the demonstration progresses. Makes more sense, makes the video more streamlined.
What a beauty! Thank you for sharing! 😊💞
I've always found tills fascinating. Got a Sweda 45 that's jammed...
I have an antique register now. I won it in a bid . I love your video. Any recommendations where I can buy ink and paper for receipts?
I got genuine receipt paper from eBay (new old stock), but that is pretty easily torn and jams up a lot. So then I just bought a wider roll of craft paper and cut it down on my table saw. The printers are many different sizes (widths). The ink is machine numbering ink that doesn't try out as readily, but first I scuffed up the felt rollers a bit. There's also a small rectangular ink pad, and for that I just cut a piece from an old self-stamping stamp's ink pad. Good luck!
Muy impresionante! Saludos desde Honduras.
OMG I have that same cat blanket. Ok will definitely watch this entire video now lol
So much mystery! Lol especially when you tell exactly what you going to show in this video
Thx for the videos. I have a 1915 552 model that’s locked up. Any chance I could get some advice
on how to free it up? Thank you
This reminded me of how much I hated being a cashier. Loved the video though! Lol
BEAUTIFUL MACHINE!
What a beautiful machine! What size paper does this take? Thanks
The Crank is out of time. It should be at 6 o'clock. The "undo button" is called the "Keys Release Lever". The plate that has the Store name on it is called the "Electro". And the pieces that hold the paper money down, are called "Bill Weights".
🤓
Hi, I have just bought one the same as this. The keys are in the draw and the draw has been closed. The handle on the right is stuck/locked in position. Is there anyway to get is open?
Congrats on the restoration. It was beautiful. I don't know if you can help me. I am restoring a 452 and would like to remove the value rotary indicators. I saw that it has an axle but I couldn't remove the axle. Even knocking, it looks like there's something preventing the axle from coming out. Will you help me? Thank you very much in advance.
We have an old small national cash register from a Kresge store. The number block is stuck. Can it be fixed?
At the old time people did took the great effort to make the things beautiful.
Kevin is like, hurry up dude.
Hi, I’m interested purchasing one of your restorations…is there a way to buy, do you have an online store?
Hi. I have one, but do not have the manual. Is it possible to buy it? Best regards Anneli
I just purchased a NCR model 441, the "charge, r on acct and paid out buttons push in when I press the money buttons but will not crank.. Could it be a easy fix? Those are the only three I'm having trouble with... thanks
11:45 When I ran a register, the largest bills were always on the left, and the ones were always on the right hand slot. In addition, I was taught to count the change back to the customer so they couldn't dispute it.
Me too. And I was taught to always put the bills in face-up, with the faces all looking in the same direction.
I suspect that this register was accompanied with some sort of abbacus or other counting assist back in the day.
Poor Kevin. Such an angry young man😆
Great video. What material are the numbers and key covers made of?
Thank you! I've heard them called "glass key checks" - I'm not sure if that's the super thin glass over the numbers/letters. The numbers and letters appear to be printed on metal disks.
Kevin looks unamused but is a good sport.
Fun! Here's a positive review to help boost your ratings :)
Thanks for the video. How do you ink the rollers and re-set the counters with that key?
The counters across the top are hidden until you turn a key up on the right side, and when the key is turned it uncovers the numbers and an opening into which you insert a longer, special key that turns them all to zeroes. The counters on the front, which have lockable lids, are reset with thumb wheels. Thanks for watching!
If you were to ask me 'how much do I owe you?' I'd be standing there with a blank look on my face as math is not my best subject! Nor is money management. Was never taught how to manage money or handle it properly, just this is how much you have after bills and rent go spend it at the bar.
I simply don't understand why they didn't make a calculator portion of it
I have a similar register, and would like to know how to lock it...
Did they go back and replace the crank system on those old registers with an electric motor system when electricity became more prevalent.?
They did not.
I’m having trouble closing the drawer. I took it off to restore it and now I can’t put it back in. It closes half way only.
Awesome! I wonder how much those go for?
In fully restored condition, $3000-$8000, depending on the model.
Where on earth did you find paper for the printer? I have a model 442 and have only been able to find one old roll of the detail paper for it
A few years ago I saw some on eBay and grabbed it. It had been shrink-wrapped at some point which I think helped preserve it. But otherwise I've found that you can use any roll of paper if you cut it to the right width on a table saw. It does help if the paper itself is the right thickness - somewhere between plain copier paper and kraft paper.
I watched the whole three part restoration 🤣😄😂💯💯💯👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼💙💙💙✌🏼✌🏼
Cool!
Looking for a National Cash Register repair person in the Phoenix, Arizona area - I have two machines that need TLC - one is frozen and the other works but the draws won’t open - can anyone help?
thank you! Where is a good place to shop for a similar one?
Glad you liked it - coming in a few weeks is an extensive restoration video of one. Of course the best ones to me are the dusty, rusty ones because people who restore them and then sell them have unrealistic prices in mind. Craigslist for your area, eBay but shipping is tough and expensive...a model like this should go for around $400-500. Good luck!
@@BOMReviews Congrats for you and your son - great video, very entertaining, I also appreciate the old pics from the end.
06:48 - It was called the Incorruptible Cashier, meaning "scrupulously honest, and unsusceptible to the temptation to steal".
"The Incorrigible Register" means the opposite, that it's pathologically corrupt and you can't make it change its evil ways. 🤓
hah! touche! and to think how proud I am of my English major!
He looks like Murray Kempton. :P
Should count back the change individually to double check your counting and show the customer what they are getting back.
So, how much would one of these have cost in 1910?
7:08 there is a mario ghost looking to me?!
Kevin reminds me of my youngest daughter, 19, 😂
Don't know what happened to them, before they shoot this video. At 7:37 did they have a little dispute?😅
Unas pastillitas next
Your microphone sensitivity is a bit high mate, it is a little unnerving hearing you breathe in before every sentence. I think it might be a bit better to have a mic on your person instead of the camera I don't know if you do but it kind of seems like it is on the camera. Just trying to be helpful.
What song is at 5:00
A New Constellation by Lama House
IS THAT MODEL 452?
I’m watching this at 11:52
My frist edit
Boa noite adorei o seu vídeo sou do Brasil, gostaria se possível ver fotos de como são as placas protetoras por dentro, agradeço.
Ajajajajaja! He said... "...I dont know what a bag is."
Cachetosito te extraña
Una super duty lifted
I have one like it decorated with gold. I want to sell it at an auction price
I rather doubt that today a kid could walk into a store and say "Charge it".
People in this generation don't know how to count change. Teach your kids people
ramon te extraña
Un purito , una caguamita