I definitely like the term 'pip deck' - it's clear and simple to understand as being more abstract in its illustrative symbolism of the minor arcana... One could simply refer to RWS as a 'non-pip deck'' with its elaborate directive pictures of scenes and situations. Thank you for the flower and foliage exercise - it's brilliant and most helpful in training the mind to begin navigating the less concrete, more intuitive pathways the pip cards present!
It’s very surreal that the more we progress in life, the more we get expeirenced in reading tarot and all.. the more we go back to the past / foundations on things. I have been purchasing such deck that are more on the pips looking tarot deck. Recently, I finally purchased a Tarot Marseille style deck.. it made me realized the beauty and wonder of its detail and I asked myself... why I didn’t noticed this in the past when I started one.. like more than a decade ago lol.
This was such a helpful video Michael! Thank you for making this video and I'm glad the TH-cam algorithm lead me to your channel. Also, so nice to meet more male TarotTubers! 👏👏👏
I just found your channel as I began the journey with the Marseille. This is wonderful and helpful. Reading the Ben Dov book and waiting for my first Marseille, the CBD. Thank you for sharing your knowledge here.
Hello. I am from Brazil and here There isn'ta lot of different books about Marseille Tarot, but there is a writer that has made an excellent key book about it. He speciefied the symbolism of Marseille and says that, because of beeing the oldest deck in the world, is the real and true deck that exists. All the orthers decks are based on this symbolism. Nei naiff is his name. He has written a trilogy that really makes all clear about tarot. Thans for the video and hello from Brazil.
Came across your series last night and watched this episode this morning. I like that you are providing a foundation in what Marseilles is in an accessible fashion that is not overly simplistic. The suggestion to purchase a bouquet and watch it’s appearance as itdegenerates hits home to what the Marseilles tradition requires: observation! You can get a strong sense of timing and activity in th epics if you will carefully observe. Looking forward to watching your next video.🙂
Thank you so much, I'm glad you found this interesting and useful. I have not done any new videos for a while, so thank you for the reminder to get back to it!
Allen, here. Im familiar w the TdM system but am getting back into it due to the Tattoo Tarot: Ink & Intuition deck (but now I see I'm going to have to get a nice new Green Box Marseille Tarot deck, this year). I look forward to learning from and with you.
Thanks for watching! Glad you're finding it helpful :) I love the Ink & Intuition deck, not exactly what I'd consider a TdM, but most of the techniques still apply. It's kind of its own thing - and that's what I like about it! Look through and notice all the things that are carried through, it's quite well done, and I love the Courts in that deck too!
For the different colors they used stencils (pochoirs)or hand painting. It is very long to carve 78 cards in wood. Remember it is a mirror image and very small images too. Impossible to carve exactly the same. I am sure they take great care of their blocks.
Thank you for doing this series! I just began my tarot journey and am beginning with this deck. This was the first video I stumbled upon when researching the Marseilles deck and I'm glad I did. Your explanations are clear and thoughtful. I'm looking forward to learning more using your series as a guide of sorts!
I just got my first TdM deck so I could participate in a reading circle. I found this video and am so happy I did. I really look forward to the rest in the series. This is so beautifully presented. And I loved your recommendation to observe nature. I really can't wait to find out what that is about!
I've been a, primarily, RWS guy for some years and have only dipped my toes into Thoth and Marseille. I've been feeling and more drawn to the Marseille and your videos have been very helpful. Very approachable and conversational, thank you!
Thank you for the series. I picked up two Marseille style decks although I am afraid of reading them without any knowledge. Your videos help me see them in a new way!
I think that’s the Mary Packard, based on the Madenie. The Packard decks are nice (there’s also a Visconti-Sforza) but they are quite big - which makes them great for teaching & videos, but perhaps not as practical for readings. There’s another version of the Madenie by Yves Renaud, which is a more “normal” size, but visually I prefer the Packard even though the Renaud is probably more accurate 😆
You have a really calming voice it's easy to watch your channel,... I'm trying to find a pip tarot deck I'm a little more old-fashioned you have any recommendations for a decent one
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying :) Any of the Marseille decks I used in this video are great for you, I like the Madienie or the Robledo for a more traditional style pip deck, but there are also good versions of the Burdel that are fun. My go-to Marseille currently is the Robledo because it is "new" in the sense that it is a new interpretation, fresh and clean, but it feels "old" because the backgrounds are an aged/tan color (not stark white) and it is faithful to traditional decks. That said, I have not looked at what is currently available in Marseille-land for the past 2 years or so, so there may be some newer offerings that may suit your needs as well.
I. Freakin. Love. Your channel! Thank you! I'm a tarot teacher and am sharing so many of your videos on our private study group. I've just begun my own channel (literally, last night) to share and teach and play - starting with the playing cards... Would you mind if I recommend your channel from time to time or refer to your videos and include links? Much love. Ryan (Cape Town, South Africa)
Have you noticed stuff which most do not, such as the wing under the Empress's backside, how the three streams become two in Temperance, the long spoon of the Fool which cuts off his head from whats happening below, why the hat with the left-hand acolyte in the Pope card?, The Thumb in the belt symbolism in two cards of the Major arcana, the rope not tied round the Hanged Man's ankle & why six knots? (in the visconti version one of them is split), Death cutting off his own foot, The ill fitting crown, tongues of flame & the phallic shaped windows of the Tower, the tail of one dog raised whilst the other is down in the Moon, with its 19 drops & 30 rays, & one I still haven't figured out yet, why are there "leaves" on the two bottom animals of the tetramoph in the World card?
Hi, there. I just came across your video and am very impressed. I note that the comments are a few years old. Are you still producing lessons for the Marseille deck? I certainly hope so, as I just got a deck. :)
Hi there, so glad you enjoyed the video & that you have started your TdM journey! I am still taking a break from producing TdM lessons, but one day I will return to them. Most of the info and exercises in my existing videos is still useful & relevant though! They will get you started, and then it’s a process of finding your own ways to work through practice ☺️
Great! Can't wait for more and can't wait for your marseille deck!!! It looks amazing! I changed my channel name from Tafalarota to Tarot Map but it's me and Im so excited about you sharing your thoughts on marseille. It's my deepest love
I know. I liked it too but was hard for people to remember and pronounce. Simple and short is good this year for me :) I invented Tafalarota after watching Tarology! It came from fala tarota which in Polaish means the wave of tarot :) Then I mingled with it and loved the sound of it :) My baby needed to die today hahaha but I will give Tarot Map a bit more life, so soon hope to feel happy about it as I did about the other one :)
It's the Mary Packard TdM, which is a re-creation of the Pierre Madenie TdM. I really like the Packard version, except that the cards are HUGE. Yves Reynaud has a Madenie also, but among the Yves Reynaud replicas, I prefer the Chosson.
Hi Liliana, unfortunately it is not. I have reached a creative block on how to deal with the Majors and Courts, so it is currently on hold. I will update on progress, though. I am encouraged by the interest you and others have shown!
I'm at 18:29 and still no mention of reading the Marseille as yet...I'll leave it here. This is more of a history of/comparative study of Marseille with other decks.
Hi, thank you very much for the video! I would like to ask you: to which deck of the Tarot of Marseilles belongs the card that you show at 16:03? I would greatly appreciate it. regards! :)
Would love if you did a video talking more about Visconti Sforza and what you can use from Marseille Tarot interpretation and what you cannot use and specific techniques with Visconti
The number and element/suit combinations seem to work well with the Sforza, but I really also like the visual method, particularly in reference to the flowers I don't work with the Sforza as much, but I do find it provides some really interesting eye rhymes that are not the same as with the TdM. The technique is pretty much the same, just the actual visuals differ :)
So if a deck had all the other elements of a Marseille deck (numberless Fool, Justice is 8, Strength is 11, coloration, etc.) but not the same exact patterns in the pips, it wouldn't be a Marseille deck?
Correct. In the modern English-speaking world where the RWS system is considered "standard" there is this false division where people assume anything that is not RWS is TdM. Not so! there are many regional tarots in Europe that well pre-date RWS, and some that pre-date TdM, too, but follow that European numbering. Fool as 0, numbered Death, Strength as 8, and Justice as 11 is the anomaly in the history of tarot, not the other way around. But because the North American and British market is flooded with RWS variants, it skews our view. It's just popular, that's all. TdM is only ONE of many styles that continue the traditional European numbering. There are also decks that have alternate numberings, but they are fewer.
True, I personally divide the deck into 3 sections though: the Ace-10 pips, the Courts, and the Majors. You are correct; the Courts and Pips are both part of the Minor Arcana, but I often think of the Courts as being separate which is why I will often refer to the pips as minors and vice versa.
Hi! Thank you for watching :) I do have more videos planned for this series, but my focus has had to shift the last several months toward something else. I will be back with more videos soon, however :) Glad you're enjoying the series so far!
You seem confused, there are no tarot decks that are pip decks, as the Tarot pack includes the Major arcana, The Fool which can be included under that term, but is sometimes separate as it's a wild or sacrificial discard, & the minor arcana which is composed of the court cards (with people) & the numbered pip cards (which often do not), apart from especially the Sol Busca, Waite-Smith & others influenced mainly by these.Of course one can illustrate an abstract pictorially.
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I definitely like the term 'pip deck' - it's clear and simple to understand as being more abstract in its illustrative symbolism of the minor arcana... One could simply refer to RWS as a 'non-pip deck'' with its elaborate directive pictures of scenes and situations. Thank you for the flower and foliage exercise - it's brilliant and most helpful in training the mind to begin navigating the less concrete, more intuitive pathways the pip cards present!
It's clear and simple to petiole who know what pip deck means and what a pip is. Not everybody does.
It’s very surreal that the more we progress in life, the more we get expeirenced in reading tarot and all.. the more we go back to the past / foundations on things. I have been purchasing such deck that are more on the pips looking tarot deck. Recently, I finally purchased a Tarot Marseille style deck.. it made me realized the beauty and wonder of its detail and I asked myself... why I didn’t noticed this in the past when I started one.. like more than a decade ago lol.
Intuitive Tarot and Astrology Readings by Krissy yes, very well said, I know what you mean!
This was such a helpful video Michael! Thank you for making this video and I'm glad the TH-cam algorithm lead me to your channel. Also, so nice to meet more male TarotTubers! 👏👏👏
Thanks! I’m so glad you found it helpful!
I just found your channel as I began the journey with the Marseille. This is wonderful and helpful. Reading the Ben Dov book and waiting for my first Marseille, the CBD. Thank you for sharing your knowledge here.
Thank you for watching! Glad you found what I had to share helpful. Good luck with the CBD! It's a great deck :)
Hello. I am from Brazil and here There isn'ta lot of different books about Marseille Tarot, but there is a writer that has made an excellent key book about it. He speciefied the symbolism of Marseille and says that, because of beeing the oldest deck in the world, is the real and true deck that exists. All the orthers decks are based on this symbolism.
Nei naiff is his name. He has written a trilogy that really makes all clear about tarot.
Thans for the video and hello from Brazil.
Cool, do you know if there are English translations of his books?
Thanks for watching!
Came across your series last night and watched this episode this morning. I like that you are providing a foundation in what Marseilles is in an accessible fashion that is not overly simplistic. The suggestion to purchase a bouquet and watch it’s appearance as itdegenerates hits home to what the Marseilles tradition requires: observation! You can get a strong sense of timing and activity in th epics if you will carefully observe. Looking forward to watching your next video.🙂
Thank you so much, I'm glad you found this interesting and useful. I have not done any new videos for a while, so thank you for the reminder to get back to it!
Allen, here. Im familiar w the TdM system but am getting back into it due to the Tattoo Tarot: Ink & Intuition deck (but now I see I'm going to have to get a nice new Green Box Marseille Tarot deck, this year). I look forward to learning from and with you.
Thanks for watching! Glad you're finding it helpful :)
I love the Ink & Intuition deck, not exactly what I'd consider a TdM, but most of the techniques still apply. It's kind of its own thing - and that's what I like about it! Look through and notice all the things that are carried through, it's quite well done, and I love the Courts in that deck too!
Thank you my friend. That was very interesting and informative.
For the different colors they used stencils (pochoirs)or hand painting. It is very long to carve 78 cards in wood. Remember it is a mirror image and very small images too. Impossible to carve exactly the same. I am sure they take great care of their blocks.
Thank you for doing this series! I just began my tarot journey and am beginning with this deck. This was the first video I stumbled upon when researching the Marseilles deck and I'm glad I did. Your explanations are clear and thoughtful. I'm looking forward to learning more using your series as a guide of sorts!
Thank you! I'm glad you found it helpful, I hope to return to the series soon.
I just got my first TdM deck so I could participate in a reading circle. I found this video and am so happy I did. I really look forward to the rest in the series. This is so beautifully presented. And I loved your recommendation to observe nature. I really can't wait to find out what that is about!
Excellent! I hope reading is going well for you, and I'll return to the series again soon!
I've been a, primarily, RWS guy for some years and have only dipped my toes into Thoth and Marseille. I've been feeling and more drawn to the Marseille and your videos have been very helpful. Very approachable and conversational, thank you!
Thank you so much!
Thank you for the series. I picked up two Marseille style decks although I am afraid of reading them without any knowledge. Your videos help me see them in a new way!
I'm so glad you found my videos helpful! I've been taking a (long) break from making videos, but I hope to return soon :)
what was that last deck you showed? I really love it!
I think that’s the Mary Packard, based on the Madenie. The Packard decks are nice (there’s also a Visconti-Sforza) but they are quite big - which makes them great for teaching & videos, but perhaps not as practical for readings.
There’s another version of the Madenie by Yves Renaud, which is a more “normal” size, but visually I prefer the Packard even though the Renaud is probably more accurate 😆
I would like to commend your channel for being an invaluable resource in the TdM reading community. Thank you very much for this.
Thank you! That is very kind of you to say :)
You have a really calming voice it's easy to watch your channel,... I'm trying to find a pip tarot deck I'm a little more old-fashioned you have any recommendations for a decent one
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying :)
Any of the Marseille decks I used in this video are great for you, I like the Madienie or the Robledo for a more traditional style pip deck, but there are also good versions of the Burdel that are fun. My go-to Marseille currently is the Robledo because it is "new" in the sense that it is a new interpretation, fresh and clean, but it feels "old" because the backgrounds are an aged/tan color (not stark white) and it is faithful to traditional decks.
That said, I have not looked at what is currently available in Marseille-land for the past 2 years or so, so there may be some newer offerings that may suit your needs as well.
Hello!!
I am so waiting to buy your deck!! Thank you for promoting this beautiful style!
I. Freakin. Love. Your channel! Thank you! I'm a tarot teacher and am sharing so many of your videos on our private study group. I've just begun my own channel (literally, last night) to share and teach and play - starting with the playing cards... Would you mind if I recommend your channel from time to time or refer to your videos and include links? Much love. Ryan (Cape Town, South Africa)
Thank you! I'm so glad you're enjoying my work! Yes please share my videos as much as you like :)
Hi, the tarot cards you have in last minutes, what is the name of that deck? I like it look like old color is not to bright 😊
Have you noticed stuff which most do not, such as the wing under the Empress's backside, how the three streams become two in Temperance, the long spoon of the Fool which cuts off his head from whats happening below, why the hat with the left-hand acolyte in the Pope card?, The Thumb in the belt symbolism in two cards of the Major arcana, the rope not tied round the Hanged Man's ankle & why six knots? (in the visconti version one of them is split), Death cutting off his own foot, The ill fitting crown, tongues of flame & the phallic shaped windows of the Tower, the tail of one dog raised whilst the other is down in the Moon, with its 19 drops & 30 rays, & one I still haven't figured out yet, why are there "leaves" on the two bottom animals of the tetramoph in the World card?
Im geeked to watch this video! Thanks for making it :)
Hi, there. I just came across your video and am very impressed. I note that the comments are a few years old. Are you still producing lessons for the Marseille deck? I certainly hope so, as I just got a deck. :)
Hi there, so glad you enjoyed the video & that you have started your TdM journey!
I am still taking a break from producing TdM lessons, but one day I will return to them. Most of the info and exercises in my existing videos is still useful & relevant though! They will get you started, and then it’s a process of finding your own ways to work through practice ☺️
you will find very good videos in French and Spanish, some in Italian as well.
yay! thank you for talking about marseille deck!! I just bought this deck and this was very helpful!
Thank you, I'm glad you found it helpful!
Great! Can't wait for more and can't wait for your marseille deck!!! It looks amazing! I changed my channel name from Tafalarota to Tarot Map but it's me and Im so excited about you sharing your thoughts on marseille. It's my deepest love
Aw, I liked Tafalarota :D
Thank you, I hope what I can share is useful!
I know. I liked it too but was hard for people to remember and pronounce. Simple and short is good this year for me :) I invented Tafalarota after watching Tarology! It came from fala tarota which in Polaish means the wave of tarot :) Then I mingled with it and loved the sound of it :) My baby needed to die today hahaha but I will give Tarot Map a bit more life, so soon hope to feel happy about it as I did about the other one :)
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starting my journey into the marseilles tarot here with you! thank you for sharing 🙏💙
Excellent! It's endlessly fascinating :)
What 8s the name of the deck you use towards the end of the video? Love the coloring thank yoy
It's the Mary Packard TdM, which is a re-creation of the Pierre Madenie TdM. I really like the Packard version, except that the cards are HUGE. Yves Reynaud has a Madenie also, but among the Yves Reynaud replicas, I prefer the Chosson.
Hi :) What is the exact Marseille Tarot that you display at 16 minutes and beyond please?
Hi! Is Arcanum X already available for purchase?
Hi Liliana, unfortunately it is not. I have reached a creative block on how to deal with the Majors and Courts, so it is currently on hold. I will update on progress, though. I am encouraged by the interest you and others have shown!
I'm at 18:29 and still no mention of reading the Marseille as yet...I'll leave it here. This is more of a history of/comparative study of Marseille with other decks.
Where can I find the Arcanum X tarot?
Hi, thank you very much for the video! I would like to ask you: to which deck of the Tarot of Marseilles belongs the card that you show at 16:03? I would greatly appreciate it. regards! :)
It's the Mary Packard version of the Madenie TdM
Thank You! :)
What about the deck at 12:02?
Would love if you did a video talking more about Visconti Sforza and what you can use from Marseille Tarot interpretation and what you cannot use and specific techniques with Visconti
The number and element/suit combinations seem to work well with the Sforza, but I really also like the visual method, particularly in reference to the flowers
I don't work with the Sforza as much, but I do find it provides some really interesting eye rhymes that are not the same as with the TdM. The technique is pretty much the same, just the actual visuals differ :)
So if a deck had all the other elements of a Marseille deck (numberless Fool, Justice is 8, Strength is 11, coloration, etc.) but not the same exact patterns in the pips, it wouldn't be a Marseille deck?
Correct. In the modern English-speaking world where the RWS system is considered "standard" there is this false division where people assume anything that is not RWS is TdM. Not so! there are many regional tarots in Europe that well pre-date RWS, and some that pre-date TdM, too, but follow that European numbering.
Fool as 0, numbered Death, Strength as 8, and Justice as 11 is the anomaly in the history of tarot, not the other way around. But because the North American and British market is flooded with RWS variants, it skews our view. It's just popular, that's all.
TdM is only ONE of many styles that continue the traditional European numbering. There are also decks that have alternate numberings, but they are fewer.
There are people in the minor arcana, just not in most pip cards, the court cards are part of the minor arcana
True, I personally divide the deck into 3 sections though: the Ace-10 pips, the Courts, and the Majors. You are correct; the Courts and Pips are both part of the Minor Arcana, but I often think of the Courts as being separate which is why I will often refer to the pips as minors and vice versa.
What is the unidentified deck shown at 11:56 ?
What is the deck that you show after Visconti-Sforza that you say is getting closer to Marseille?
I forget the name of it actually, sorry :/
semi illustrated/semi-scenic. but for Marseille, i would call it non-scenic
Any more videos coming?
Hi! Thank you for watching :)
I do have more videos planned for this series, but my focus has had to shift the last several months toward something else. I will be back with more videos soon, however :)
Glad you're enjoying the series so far!
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You seem confused, there are no tarot decks that are pip decks, as the Tarot pack includes the Major arcana, The Fool which can be included under that term, but is sometimes separate as it's a wild or sacrificial discard, & the minor arcana which is composed of the court cards (with people) & the numbered pip cards (which often do not), apart from especially the Sol Busca, Waite-Smith & others influenced mainly by these.Of course one can illustrate an abstract pictorially.
how about saying "non people minor cards"? lol
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