If you have a problem with all of the stuff you a redescribing about how women are expected to be flawless blame yourselves women. Its the fashion industry which is controlled largely by women and gay men who have kept that sort of thing alive since the late 80's. The flawless, fake boob, super skinny thing. In real life men arent like that, we have tastes that are far different than what are forced on women by the fashion industry
I've noticed that in commercials. When there's a couple he is old and not attractive, while she is always younger and beautiful! Like in the new commercial for IKEA
This is the way the industry works. I wouldn’t pay to see her in a leading role. She’s not Meryl Streep you know. If she gets fat no one will go see her at all( 🤞let’s hope she doesn’t).
Olivia Wilde. "Third Person" is the movie you're thinking of. I don't think it was because in *that* scene they're both standing in the doorway and she's in the hallway of the hotel(?), not coming out of the bathroom, and it's a robe, not a towel. Also he was 60 or maybe 61 when that was filmed. But who knows, she could be changing the details or maybe that's how the scene was written when she auditioned.
And she has likely enough draw power and influence to make a movie if she wanted. She could direct that "flip story" script if she really wants. Women would sure go see it, yes. Especially if she pushes some boundaries in it. Because 50 shades trilogy was utter dogshit, acted, directed, produced, just dogshit. Someone with actual movie sensibilities would do immeasurably better if it advertised right and done right.
That's Why I dont Watch Movies Anymore !!! All the Talented people have been shunned out over Youth !!! Experience and Maturity has No value anymore !!! Sucks!!!
She's talking about - I'm guessing - Up in the Air with Clooney. I remember the scene where Vera Farmiga , a GREAT actress, dropped the towel coming out of the bathroom. She is 12 years younger than Andie and George. That said, I love how she said, "I want to play him, not her. I want to be in the bed and the man comes out of the bathroom and drops the towel." Right on.
she makes me want to grow my hair long again....my hair is exactly like this...but its so heavy for me I get headaches and that is what keeps me in a pixie cut for over a decade. but I do miss my long waves...LOVE YOU ANDIE
Some of the comments here are disturbing. Acting like Andie is complaining and that’s just nature taking it’s course, etc. I feel like in any job, if you put forth time and effort, and then at 40, they’re like, “sorry, you’re career is over… we’re phasing you out.” That would be heartbreaking to anyone. Hollywood is extremely superficial, but half the audience is female. We know when something doesn’t ring true.
We are tired of the cliches as well. My pet hate is action movies or where there is any kind of danger, the women always has to appear fucking defenseless, with the man taking the lead. Its bullshit, I know a ton of so called men that would shit themselves if a rabid rabbit came charging towards them. Come on hollywood, lets cut the Weinstein shit, we've had enough.
May be she should go back to college and do nursing or study designing. She is obviously upset with the very industry which has made her a pretty big 🌟.
I find it interesting that the only ones complaining about it are the ones not getting picked. She had no problem using her attractive features when they were in demand. It probably boosted her ego then and now she misses it. Her wanting to shift the paradigm is so not new…ugly men with no positional power were getting rejected by her as she chose men who were attractive, influential, and other cliche truths.
Yes that's what I've often noticed about those who go into the creative arts whether in front of or behind the scenes and really don't appear to have any great talent but end up wielding direction and finances. They just wanted to get their hands or eyes on those humans they considered unobtainable.
geez, like she doesn't know that she will be considered sexy for another twenty years... and no, she doesn't need to drop a towel... i never realized she had that southern of an accent in any of her movies... please do another Ground Hog day and make more money than Bill... I dare you...
Judson Clayto she always trains herself to speak lower so it doesn't show up as much. When she first started acting they famously had her voice dubbed in a film.
Definitions of perfection are subjective and mailable. She’s right about those cliches being boring. They’ve always been. The only times they seem authentic are when they’re used ironically. I always thought it was contradictory in movies that were otherwise interesting and novel and are trying to make you think outside the box to have paint by numbers love scenes. In all creative fields it ends up feeling like something people are forced to do by people who don’t at all understand the work and are trying to work on some sort of base fantasy of male viewers they think are equally out of shape. Honestly what she’s talking about can end up feeling kind of grotesque. Depictions of love should make sense and feel authentic to whatever you’re trying to represent otherwise it just feels wrong and dissonant. Depict something people haven’t seen before or that show the broader range of love. Depict something that speaks to a larger story and doesn’t just seem like a forced fantasy.
I think it's problematic to mix art and business. You can hold true to the art in a low budget, low risk environment; trying to put the best art out there. When you have a "hot director" with a "63 year old, gorgeous, famous" actor, that sounds like a higher budget film trying to create "art" that is going to sell and recoup cost. So whatever the director can add to a film to attract a wide range of eyeballs (least common denominator), then that's what they will do. It's interesting, at one time she was cast for her acting and her beauty (she was a model, right?). I wonder if she turned down roles early in her career because she was being cast as the beauty?
Portrayal of genders (for attraction) is instinctual, not taught. If society started sexualizing old women, it would have to be forced. It wouldn't be natural, because our species doesn't' associate sex or sexiness with the elderly. And for natural reasons. Sexual instinct comes from the biological desire to attract a mate and procreate. 60 year olds aren't doing that. We don't want the 55 year old woman dropping the towel, because it's not our natural preference. Our natural preference is the woman of age who can marry and start a family, not the woman who's kids left the nest 15 years ago, and who's anatomy no longer functions correctly. Women may feel differently, because instinctually women aren't looking for younger men. They're looking for strong, protective, territorial providers, and males between the ages of 18 and 25 typically don't fit that mold. The average age difference in married couples is 5 years. Male older than female. That's nature, not teaching. It's perfectly fine with not wanting to play those kinds of rolls, but that acting "preference" shouldn't be confused with a false new-age feminist belief that there's no such thing as instinct, and that everything can be changed about people, if only we taught it. Andie has been married twice. Both husbands were older than her. Now she's 62 and unmarried, and that may play a roll in her thinking. Because she knows there a very slim chance to find another man to marry, and so she's a little resentful. Just my opinion on that last part, but she's 62, twice divorced, and giving opinions in hindsight. Believing she wouldn't get that towel dropping role, sure didn't stop her from auditioning for it. She obviously wanted it, but may have realized at that point that she wasn't wanted for her "sex appeal" anymore, so it's much easier to say "I didn't want that roll". Sure she did.
Andie, sex sells. End of story. Beautiful young woman. Distinguished older man. It's all about money in Hollywood, and investment is all a movie is to the machine. Now, in reality, the above formula is looked down on, but movies are about pushing the extremes unto joy, scandal or crime, or we might as well stay at home.
Watching these videos has revealed two things in greater detail: 1) Actors, having been successful enough to be interviewable, have no end to their complaints no matter how good life is... which is amazing because 2) Actors either are insecure or feign it really well for humble appearances.
These actresses all start moaning about the objectification of their beauty just as it starts to go? Why this year is she tired of dropping the towel? She displaced older actresses when she was a dewey young fox and the whole thing didn't seem to matter a stitch.Now it's an outrage?
Is this true though? I can think of a number of actresses that have appeared as a character in film intended to e found as "sexy" by the audience that do not fit this 'absolutely perfect with no blemishes' standard that Andie alludes to...
Jixaw15 Examples please, then we can juxtapose the number you come up with against how many films follow the trope from the same time span in the examples you provide.
Andie is correct . for most, this is the norm and it is so very wrong. but some of us see "imperfection" as "perfection" . beauty IS only skin deep... and, sexy comes from within. it is such a shame that so many are so blinded by fashion they miss "gorgeous" looking only for beauty.
Women saying "men get to be imperfect, they get to have a belly".. yeah. As a man maybe you get to have a little bit of a belly but you also get people commenting on it and joking about it. I get people touching my gut and making noises in public. And god forbid I say it's unpleasant then my masculinity is under attack. I can't remember the last time a woman got jokes about her fat belly, someone rubbing it to her face and was supposed to just laugh it off.
She is talking about Hollywood were lots of women are cast, who are much younger than their male co stars. Men can be older looking, that is seen as normal, where as women have to look a certain way. Lots of older actress lose parts to younger ones. Its a real thing in Hollywood, she is not speaking about the non acting world, but how there are super unrealistic standards of beauty placed on actresses.
bargh70- you are right.This happened at my work recently, a male co-worker made a comment about another male co-workers weight. I was so embarrassed for the guy and all I could think about was how mortified I would of been if it was me. This shouldnt be acceptable no matter which gender you are.
I think she absolutely a point, that aging women are written in a clichéd way, and nobody wants that. HOWEVER I don't think we're taught 'sexy' in our culture to the extent that she's implying. It's more in our evolutionary DNA. Can Andie McDowell have children any more at 62? No she can't. Can Tom Hanks have children at 64? Yes he can. Not saying aging women cannot be sexy, but the biological aspect definitely plays a part in what our 'culture' (read: biology) percieves as sexy.
Who wants to have children with a 63 year old though? Most women do not crave having sex with let alone children with a 63 year old. No women of childbearing years wants an aging man as a dad unless they are a gold digger or inexplicably in love which is very rare. The guy is biologically unfit for children too because evolution wise he should already be dead were it not for modern medicine. Also even if he can have children he will not have energy to run around and bring them up and may die before he can bring up the child. Also unless he is rich it will hard for the 63 year old to bring up the kid with material needs covered. In evolutionary terms the dad would prob be eaten by lions or get ill before he can bring up his own children so biologically unattractive to a woman of childbearing years. I certainly wouldn't want a child with a 63 year old. Also mens sperm deteriorates with time making it very hard to have a kid at that age, men also have a biological clock to a certain extent.
TruCon78 This is a working actress who has years of experience in Hollywood (auditions, meetings, negotiations, making films). It's not just "a personal opinion" it's an informed opinion based on experience. What's your experience in this area?
Jennie Feyen ever hear of a biased opinion. Shes just mad because she cant get work. Shes a washed up actress. She chose the profession and doesn't like terms that come with it. Shes mediocre at best in looks, acting skills and her voice is utterly annoying. I have watched her movies for years so thats my "informed" opinion.
you are a terrible listener. She's talking about one role but also acknowledges that it can be applied to the way the entire industry runs. She's angry at the whole system - not just this one role. Learn to listen.
No one should ever hire somebody just by judging...how attractive their body is (unless it's specific to the role they are playing), or how much they would like to have sex with her. That's just wrong! Olivia Munn really hates that, and she spoke a lot of curse words about it. December 6, 2020, 1:54am
"We're all tired of the clichés". No shit. Such a long list of them, too.
If you have a problem with all of the stuff you a redescribing about how women are expected to be flawless blame yourselves women. Its the fashion industry which is controlled largely by women and gay men who have kept that sort of thing alive since the late 80's. The flawless, fake boob, super skinny thing. In real life men arent like that, we have tastes that are far different than what are forced on women by the fashion industry
I agree!!!!!!!!!! Women want the men to drop the towel. Amen.
She seems so intelligent and nice :)
...it's a South Carolina thing.
Yes. I'm sure it is because she really is intelligent and nice. Good sense of humor, too.
for a woman.........
Just kidding
I've noticed that in commercials. When there's a couple he is old and not attractive, while she is always younger and beautiful! Like in the new commercial for IKEA
Uhm, no.
It’s ironic because she gorgeous. This world is messed up
This is the way the industry works. I wouldn’t pay to see her in a leading role. She’s not Meryl Streep you know. If she gets fat no one will go see her at all( 🤞let’s hope she doesn’t).
She is so right!
Sound like should do independent director. Would love to see her film
Truth. But I've never found old male actors "sexy:.. not a bit.
Amen And! Let the men drop the towels 👏👏👏👏👏
So true! 👏🏽 keep talking about this truth.
I wonder if she's specifically referring to that Liam Neeson, Olivia Munn movie?
Olivia Wilde. "Third Person" is the movie you're thinking of. I don't think it was because in *that* scene they're both standing in the doorway and she's in the hallway of the hotel(?), not coming out of the bathroom, and it's a robe, not a towel. Also he was 60 or maybe 61 when that was filmed. But who knows, she could be changing the details or maybe that's how the scene was written when she auditioned.
And she has likely enough draw power and influence to make a movie if she wanted. She could direct that "flip story" script if she really wants. Women would sure go see it, yes. Especially if she pushes some boundaries in it. Because 50 shades trilogy was utter dogshit, acted, directed, produced, just dogshit. Someone with actual movie sensibilities would do immeasurably better if it advertised right and done right.
She is has an amazing accent. And in this day and age she is absolutely right
I would drop my towel for her....
Imagine if all the Hollywood female actors boycotted the industry for 6 months.. I guess it wouldn't work but it would some statement!
Multiplicity!! Great movie she's in with Michael Keaton
That's Why I dont Watch Movies Anymore !!! All the Talented people have been shunned out over Youth !!! Experience and Maturity has No value anymore !!! Sucks!!!
She's speaking the truth. Men do get to be imperfect. Which is sad.
Change it by writing the script then have a female director and make it happen!
God I love everything she said
She's talking about - I'm guessing - Up in the Air with Clooney. I remember the scene where Vera Farmiga , a GREAT actress, dropped the towel coming out of the bathroom. She is 12 years younger than Andie and George. That said, I love how she said, "I want to play him, not her. I want to be in the bed and the man comes out of the bathroom and drops the towel." Right on.
she makes me want to grow my hair long again....my hair is exactly like this...but its so heavy for me I get headaches and that is what keeps me in a pixie cut for over a decade. but I do miss my long waves...LOVE YOU ANDIE
So smart. So right.
She's super intelligent. Happy she shared her story. And shes gorgeous. She would be great at writing script or producing and directing.
she can still get it
Some of the comments here are disturbing. Acting like Andie is complaining and that’s just nature taking it’s course, etc. I feel like in any job, if you put forth time and effort, and then at 40, they’re like, “sorry, you’re career is over… we’re phasing you out.” That would be heartbreaking to anyone. Hollywood is extremely superficial, but half the audience is female. We know when something doesn’t ring true.
"Ahm taaahhrrd..." Man I could listen to her all day.
We are tired of the cliches as well. My pet hate is action movies or where there is any kind of danger, the women always has to appear fucking defenseless, with the man taking the lead. Its bullshit, I know a ton of so called men that would shit themselves if a rabid rabbit came charging towards them. Come on hollywood, lets cut the Weinstein shit, we've had enough.
🙌
May be she should go back to college and do nursing or study designing. She is obviously upset with the very industry which has made her a pretty big 🌟.
I find it interesting that the only ones complaining about it are the ones not getting picked. She had no problem using her attractive features when they were in demand. It probably boosted her ego then and now she misses it. Her wanting to shift the paradigm is so not new…ugly men with no positional power were getting rejected by her as she chose men who were attractive, influential, and other cliche truths.
Can you add the link to the netflix episode to this epusode please???
She seems sweet.
All the nerds in high school who didn't get the girls, went into movie making so that they could get girls that way (nudity and so forth).
Yes that's what I've often noticed about those who go into the creative arts whether in front of or behind the scenes and really don't appear to have any great talent but end up wielding direction and finances. They just wanted to get their hands or eyes on those humans they considered unobtainable.
geez, like she doesn't know that she will be considered sexy for another twenty years... and no, she doesn't need to drop a towel... i never realized she had that southern of an accent in any of her movies... please do another Ground Hog day and make more money than Bill... I dare you...
Judson Clayto she always trains herself to speak lower so it doesn't show up as much. When she first started acting they famously had her voice dubbed in a film.
I love her so much!
wheres hudson hawk 2?
Who is writing most of the films? Men...
Definitions of perfection are subjective and mailable. She’s right about those cliches being boring. They’ve always been. The only times they seem authentic are when they’re used ironically. I always thought it was contradictory in movies that were otherwise interesting and novel and are trying to make you think outside the box to have paint by numbers love scenes. In all creative fields it ends up feeling like something people are forced to do by people who don’t at all understand the work and are trying to work on some sort of base fantasy of male viewers they think are equally out of shape. Honestly what she’s talking about can end up feeling kind of grotesque. Depictions of love should make sense and feel authentic to whatever you’re trying to represent otherwise it just feels wrong and dissonant. Depict something people haven’t seen before or that show the broader range of love. Depict something that speaks to a larger story and doesn’t just seem like a forced fantasy.
Oh my god I love her so much
Love her
I'm gonna win the lottery, and make Andie's movie with her as the lead!!
She says what is so true so easily. I love this. These interviews are great.....go Andy!
Her daughter definitely takes after her. Gorgeous.
63- Bruce Willis?
No it cant be Bruce because he not a lead anymore. He only plays small parts in movies for the paycheck.
I can hear her daughter Margaret Qualley talking.
I think it's problematic to mix art and business. You can hold true to the art in a low budget, low risk environment; trying to put the best art out there. When you have a "hot director" with a "63 year old, gorgeous, famous" actor, that sounds like a higher budget film trying to create "art" that is going to sell and recoup cost. So whatever the director can add to a film to attract a wide range of eyeballs (least common denominator), then that's what they will do. It's interesting, at one time she was cast for her acting and her beauty (she was a model, right?). I wonder if she turned down roles early in her career because she was being cast as the beauty?
Portrayal of genders (for attraction) is instinctual, not taught. If society started sexualizing old women, it would have to be forced. It wouldn't be natural, because our species doesn't' associate sex or sexiness with the elderly. And for natural reasons. Sexual instinct comes from the biological desire to attract a mate and procreate. 60 year olds aren't doing that. We don't want the 55 year old woman dropping the towel, because it's not our natural preference. Our natural preference is the woman of age who can marry and start a family, not the woman who's kids left the nest 15 years ago, and who's anatomy no longer functions correctly.
Women may feel differently, because instinctually women aren't looking for younger men. They're looking for strong, protective, territorial providers, and males between the ages of 18 and 25 typically don't fit that mold. The average age difference in married couples is 5 years. Male older than female. That's nature, not teaching. It's perfectly fine with not wanting to play those kinds of rolls, but that acting "preference" shouldn't be confused with a false new-age feminist belief that there's no such thing as instinct, and that everything can be changed about people, if only we taught it.
Andie has been married twice. Both husbands were older than her. Now she's 62 and unmarried, and that may play a roll in her thinking. Because she knows there a very slim chance to find another man to marry, and so she's a little resentful. Just my opinion on that last part, but she's 62, twice divorced, and giving opinions in hindsight. Believing she wouldn't get that towel dropping role, sure didn't stop her from auditioning for it. She obviously wanted it, but may have realized at that point that she wasn't wanted for her "sex appeal" anymore, so it's much easier to say "I didn't want that roll". Sure she did.
Andie, sex sells. End of story. Beautiful young woman. Distinguished older man. It's all about money in Hollywood, and investment is all a movie is to the machine. Now, in reality, the above formula is looked down on, but movies are about pushing the extremes unto joy, scandal or crime, or we might as well stay at home.
Watching these videos has revealed two things in greater detail: 1) Actors, having been successful enough to be interviewable, have no end to their complaints no matter how good life is... which is amazing because 2) Actors either are insecure or feign it really well for humble appearances.
Biology is a thing
These actresses all start moaning about the objectification of their beauty just as it starts to go? Why this year is she tired of dropping the towel? She displaced older actresses when she was a dewey young fox and the whole thing didn't seem to matter a stitch.Now it's an outrage?
Is this true though? I can think of a number of actresses that have appeared as a character in film intended to e found as "sexy" by the audience that do not fit this 'absolutely perfect with no blemishes' standard that Andie alludes to...
Jixaw15 Examples please, then we can juxtapose the number you come up with against how many films follow the trope from the same time span in the examples you provide.
Jixaw15 yeah that's why Dunham and Schumer are famous.....
Andie is correct . for most, this is the norm and it is so very wrong. but some of us see "imperfection" as "perfection" . beauty IS only skin deep... and, sexy comes from within. it is such a shame that so many are so blinded by fashion they miss "gorgeous" looking only for beauty.
Helen Mirren for example.
Women saying "men get to be imperfect, they get to have a belly".. yeah. As a man maybe you get to have a little bit of a belly but you also get people commenting on it and joking about it. I get people touching my gut and making noises in public. And god forbid I say it's unpleasant then my masculinity is under attack. I can't remember the last time a woman got jokes about her fat belly, someone rubbing it to her face and was supposed to just laugh it off.
She is talking about Hollywood were lots of women are cast, who are much younger than their male co stars. Men can be older looking, that is seen as normal, where as women have to look a certain way. Lots of older actress lose parts to younger ones. Its a real thing in Hollywood, she is not speaking about the non acting world, but how there are super unrealistic standards of beauty placed on actresses.
OMMFG "it's unpleasant then my masculinity is under attack"😆😆😆Stop acting like a fruit.
Are you 12? Because if you're an adult and you let people touch your gut and mock you with no repercussions that's 100% on you.
DbJ right! I mean have y'all seen Alec Baldwin lately?! He is still attractive but certainly not in his prime and still gets sexy roles.
bargh70- you are right.This happened at my work recently, a male co-worker made a comment about another male co-workers weight. I was so embarrassed for the guy and all I could think about was how mortified I would of been if it was me. This shouldnt be acceptable no matter which gender you are.
She forget to say that a beautiful woman up to 25 can get anything she wants from men well thats the trade off once its over
I think she absolutely a point, that aging women are written in a clichéd way, and nobody wants that. HOWEVER I don't think we're taught 'sexy' in our culture to the extent that she's implying. It's more in our evolutionary DNA. Can Andie McDowell have children any more at 62? No she can't. Can Tom Hanks have children at 64? Yes he can.
Not saying aging women cannot be sexy, but the biological aspect definitely plays a part in what our 'culture' (read: biology) percieves as sexy.
Who wants to have children with a 63 year old though? Most women do not crave having sex with let alone children with a 63 year old. No women of childbearing years wants an aging man as a dad unless they are a gold digger or inexplicably in love which is very rare. The guy is biologically unfit for children too because evolution wise he should already be dead were it not for modern medicine. Also even if he can have children he will not have energy to run around and bring them up and may die before he can bring up the child. Also unless he is rich it will hard for the 63 year old to bring up the kid with material needs covered. In evolutionary terms the dad would prob be eaten by lions or get ill before he can bring up his own children so biologically unattractive to a woman of childbearing years. I certainly wouldn't want a child with a 63 year old. Also mens sperm deteriorates with time making it very hard to have a kid at that age, men also have a biological clock to a certain extent.
This is all personal opinion and way off base.
TruCon78 This is a working actress who has years of experience in Hollywood (auditions, meetings, negotiations, making films). It's not just "a personal opinion" it's an informed opinion based on experience. What's your experience in this area?
Jennie Feyen ever hear of a biased opinion. Shes just mad because she cant get work. Shes a washed up actress. She chose the profession and doesn't like terms that come with it. Shes mediocre at best in looks, acting skills and her voice is utterly annoying. I have watched her movies for years so thats my "informed" opinion.
Jennie Feyen whats my experience in this area? I am the customer. I create box office numbers. I dont go to her movies.
Meh. She got parts when she was young and hot. Now she complains.
So she didn’t get the part, but didn’t want it anyhow and is bitching about it after the fact. That sounds exactly like a double standard in my book.
bullmilk you're dumb af
Nina A And you perfectly illustrate my point.
you are a terrible listener. She's talking about one role but also acknowledges that it can be applied to the way the entire industry runs. She's angry at the whole system - not just this one role. Learn to listen.
I would watch Andie sitting silently in a chair for two hours, before I would pay money for another LAME ass Hollywood re-make.
No one should ever hire somebody just by judging...how attractive their body is (unless it's specific to the role they are playing), or how much they would like to have sex with her. That's just wrong! Olivia Munn really hates that, and she spoke a lot of curse words about it. December 6, 2020, 1:54am