I don't think this is a DBD problem, it's more like a society problem. If you walk through every super market on every country you can see sometimes someone being rude. It happens on every DBD server, it happens in every game.
As someone whose played only a few days now... playing 2v8 for BP increase. The wraiths ive encountered are the worse just sitting invis at hooks/cages and as soon as player is unhooked kills the person that was just unhooked. Doesnt go after anyone just hook camping. So when you constantly do this to new people this creates the just wait im gonna make every killer miserable in every match i play. I havent played killer yet que times to long for me.
I literally just played a game against a Zeno morph who tunneled a Zarina at 5 gens, she lasted till 3 and eventually the xenomorph started SLUGGING us. He wouldn’t hook any of us and he just kept slugging, and the problem was that it was solo Q. He eventually bled my teammates out after like 20 minutes and he eventually found me after closing hatch and slugged me till I died. A 3v1 against a Xeno was practically impossible in Solo Q.
It could have been because there were no hooks around, although if all 4 were slugged then probably not. However, If all of the survivors were clicking and Teabagging, then it is completely good for mr. Xeno
@@liams3637 Bro did you not read what I said? He slugged you no matter where u were on the map in a Solo Q match. Tbagging in this situation would be the same as nodding your head as killer, not constantly slugging the survivors on the ground to bore them and be an A hole. How would there be no hooks around ACROSS THE WHOLE MAP. And he never even picked u up to check for hooks. He was just a jerk.
The worst I get when I play killer is hackers that will timeout my connection when they are losing the match. Really pathetic loser behavior. I never stick around for the end game chat. I just click past it.
I disable the end game chat completely. I don't engage with toxic people. Sadly that also means no fun or cool interactions with better people, but it's better than seeing the crap in chat all the time. I'd consider turning it back on if the devs did something about them.
There's a couple tournaments that the players ended up in tunneling out a single person at the start of the game... it was so scummy but since it's not against the rules 😑😑 Really hate this game sometimes
In a competitive scenario then most survivors should know that tunneling out 1 can be a thing and they probably play around it. Love that you mentioned it! 😄💪
I would actually like to push back against this a little. I'm a new DBD player, just over 60 hours and I've had the game for almost 3 weeks. I've played both survivor and killer roughly the same amount, with killer probably having a few more hours. While I have run into toxic players(bully squads, tunnelers etc.), I would say for the most part my experience has been amazing. I'm constantly having games where survivors and killers ended up being friendly and chilling. I know this steps into the realm of whataboutism, especially since I have a smaller sample size. However, the community has been the main reason for me wanting to keep playing. I think at the end of the day, no matter what game you play, there will be toxic players. They will also always be the loudest and most noticeable people. I think if you ignore the toxicity DBD actually has one of the better and more fun communities I've seen.
There are lots of friendly players as well as toxic players in every online game. I try to talk from my own personal experience in this video but I also mention it is a small part of the playerbase I’m ranting about later on in the video :)
@@skott199 Oh no doubt. We all can only speak from our own point of views. Just wanted to put out there that the community does have a lot of good in it. I feel as if people can see videos or reddit post about this topic and it push them away from the game. I want people to feel comfortable coming in without the fear of only running into toxic people. Great video overall though and you do cover great points.
I dont mind toxic players in the actual game too much. I HATE how much the player base complains about literally everything though. Every post by bhvr on every site is just full of comments by players crying about everything.
I have roughly 25k hours in Dead by Daylight with at least 4 digit hours in both roles. The only toxicity i've seen gameplay wise has been survivors sandbagging other survivors, IE body blocking people in corners where they can't move until both parties get AFK crows or die to an endgame collapse. Endgame chat has a little whininess but not a lot of toxicity. Post game adds however are *Very* different and you've got people sending gruesome and illegal images, making threats and such but never see that in the game chat.
Yesterday a bubba let 4 of us slug next to hook basement. This is toxic in my opinion, he could just hook us, even after ds 60 seconds and other survivor at the end said he was a "monkey" when talking about his skin colour
@@karlackk I went to a college that had designated "safe spaces" in corner hallways for people to cry between classes. Some of the people who used them have found lots of little things toxic, they called them microaggressions. Misgendering, using triggering words in normal conversation. Whatever else. that sorta thing happens. In reality, we have no idea why the Bubba was slugging. There are lots of competitive advantages to bleeding out survivors. No chance to 4%, If someone else unbreakables you don't have to drop the slug to reset them. You can pick the order people use their UBs, if they stand up out of order, you can wait out the soulguard because they aren't carrying, last survivor in a trial is on death hook etc. Is it more effort than most killers are going to put into their games or more than is required to win most of the time? Sure. But why assume people are just being mean to you, or try to become a victim? Survivors can go out of their way to sandbag each other, but there is very little platform for survivor or killer to be "toxic" or even unfriendly to the other without making a leap of logic to accommodate it, and at that point you just want to. Post game chat might be a different animal, but as far as i've seen in over 25k hours of DBD there is very little toxicity compared to what i've seen on stuff like Battlenet or ANet
@@skott199 I don't even really mind if a survivor sandbags someone else because they think they need to take a hit, or they haven't been hooked and they think that the killer can't afford to hit them, or even if they are playing for hatch. There are (often suboptimal) strategical reasons to do it. The people who play survivor and body block other survivors til death are the only example of toxicity that I have seen and that I think this game supports. Anything else reported almost always seems to be a stretch and victim mentality.
as a person who play's both i will say i tunnel if there are 4 players left and i am at 2 gens left you kinda have too to get the pressure back i will also tunnel if some is being toxic and i will teabag if a killer is toxic i believe it's fair i will also see people get off hook and actively try to pull agro then get mad when i get them. i think more or less how i play is fair and simple i have almost 200 hours on pc and idk how much on xbox so prolly 500 at most. Idk if my experience or playstyle is similar to other or toxic to others. also side note not sure if people care but i think proxy camping is ok if you got 1 maybe 2 gen at most if all player are alive that's just my opinion.
I'm doing my best to spread love and positivity with Skull Merchant. She is my instrument of positivity for a reason. People hate Skull, come into my chat and be toxic and I'm being super nice, got me several follows because of my energy 😄
There are very few things you can do as a survivor to be toxic that actually impact the quality of the game for the killer, while killers can straight up ruin the experience for four other people. I've been toxic on killer for multiple games in a row to see if it's actually possible to win often while doing it, and to no surprise, it is very possible. So I see why survivors can get upset, especially if you are against one of the very strong anti loop killers and you just get proxied out of the game, then the rest of the team gets snowballed on by multiple slowdowns. This is why I'm glad they are adding 10 seconds to the hook state, in hopes that it makes proxy camping less valuable.
I have to take regular breaks from DBD because of the toxicity. I'm not one that's vulnerable to shit talk or suicide/death threats, but it does get to you after awhile when its *almost every god damn game*, man. It's always from survivors too, the worst that I've ever got from a killer was "ggez", which doesn't even remotely compare to the horrific things survivors say to me (and to each other!)
For thebyears I've been playing the game I've rarely get players that are toxic i mostly seen some salty ones but i seen a lot of nice players i guess maybe it's because i mainly run non meta perks and play killer and hardly tunnel and camp so i guess that's the reason why i don't get people like them but i know there are some people no matter how good the game went they'll just harass other people for no reason which I think that is a shity which honestly those types of people should be temp banned to perma eventually.
I've had this question for a while, why is tunneling toxic? Why is it considered a bad thing to do? I love getting tunneled I don't see why you wouldn't. The chase is the central gameplay on both sides so why would you not like when the killer chases you the whole match, do you want to sit on gens all game? But then why do so many also complain about gen slowdown? You don't like slowdown cuz you gotta sit on gens but you don't like being tunneled because you can't sit on gens. It just doesn't make sense to me
@@AshyGashy how is it unfair for the one being targeted? Do you not want to be in chase which is the main part of the game? Only way I can see it being unfair is to the other survivors that don’t get much chase but sometimes it’s just like that and you gg go next, hopefully the next game you get more interaction with the killer.
@@forkkrof8736 you don’t always want to be in a chase, sometimes you just want the killer to be going after someone else so you can heal Up and do gens
I don't understand something. Why can't you just ignore them? You made a video about people getting angry and spreading their hatred, but why not just ignore them? I also don't understand why "tunneling" is seen as toxic, but using meta and being a gen jockey is A ok. They are both playing at max efficiency. On top of that, where is the fun?
I do think toxicity should be ignored however I do wanted to share my opinion on the topic as it is important to not stay silent. What I do think should be getting attention is why are people entitled to send others unalive threats because they lose in a game? The last point you make is I don’t think tunneling is bad as mentioned in the video however I do think the Behavior at 5 gens is pathetic. Just my take and people are allowed to play however they fit them.
dude. all these people need to realize that they need to get a damn life. hop off the screen and go do something other than complain on a game on pixels. go workout or make money or whatever. But after a game no matter how toxic i was killed. i'll be mad for a min or 2 then im over it. These losers need to stop complaning both survivors and killers. just a game dude get over it.
I mean people have the right to complain and cry lol. That's how the world works, you cry and make other folk cry about the same issue. Pretty much what MLK did but it's an extreme example lol
I would love for otz to see this video, you've got actual arguments, also i don't think you've mention survivors that play on a party to humiliate the killer
@@Mini_Wolf. I try to keep my videos within my own opinions and don’t try to state facts. You’re right I forgot to mention bully squads! I will consider covering that in another video.
@@Sixdawg06 ain’t nothing but facts bro, everytime i go into a stream to say gg i just end up getting annoyed by whoever is streaming cause they complain regardless of what killer of playstyle you use. they always have something negative to say
I don't think this is a DBD problem, it's more like a society problem. If you walk through every super market on every country you can see sometimes someone being rude. It happens on every DBD server, it happens in every game.
@@StealthKillerJaythere’s always gonna be toxic negative people in communities bro
I'd like to point out that console is much better simply because there isn't an end game chat
As someone whose played only a few days now... playing 2v8 for BP increase. The wraiths ive encountered are the worse just sitting invis at hooks/cages and as soon as player is unhooked kills the person that was just unhooked. Doesnt go after anyone just hook camping. So when you constantly do this to new people this creates the just wait im gonna make every killer miserable in every match i play. I havent played killer yet que times to long for me.
Good to know nothing has changed in the past 4 years 🤗
It’s to be expected now lol
I literally just played a game against a Zeno morph who tunneled a Zarina at 5 gens, she lasted till 3 and eventually the xenomorph started SLUGGING us. He wouldn’t hook any of us and he just kept slugging, and the problem was that it was solo Q. He eventually bled my teammates out after like 20 minutes and he eventually found me after closing hatch and slugged me till I died. A 3v1 against a Xeno was practically impossible in Solo Q.
It could have been because there were no hooks around, although if all 4 were slugged then probably not. However, If all of the survivors were clicking and Teabagging, then it is completely good for mr. Xeno
@@liams3637 Bro did you not read what I said? He slugged you no matter where u were on the map in a Solo Q match. Tbagging in this situation would be the same as nodding your head as killer, not constantly slugging the survivors on the ground to bore them and be an A hole. How would there be no hooks around ACROSS THE WHOLE MAP. And he never even picked u up to check for hooks. He was just a jerk.
@@NanamiBlitzer Dayum calm down lil bro, it’s just a video game
@@liams3637 If you were put through the same situation you wouldn’t be calling it just a video game 😂
@@NanamiBlitzer Yes I would bro. It’s literally just a game, go cry about it
The worst I get when I play killer is hackers that will timeout my connection when they are losing the match. Really pathetic loser behavior. I never stick around for the end game chat. I just click past it.
I disable the end game chat completely. I don't engage with toxic people. Sadly that also means no fun or cool interactions with better people, but it's better than seeing the crap in chat all the time. I'd consider turning it back on if the devs did something about them.
There's a couple tournaments that the players ended up in tunneling out a single person at the start of the game... it was so scummy but since it's not against the rules 😑😑 Really hate this game sometimes
Why is it scummy trying to win ?
In a competitive scenario then most survivors should know that tunneling out 1 can be a thing and they probably play around it. Love that you mentioned it! 😄💪
@@aroace7913 Sorry, didn't realize I was talking to you. My bad.
I would actually like to push back against this a little.
I'm a new DBD player, just over 60 hours and I've had the game for almost 3 weeks. I've played both survivor and killer roughly the same amount, with killer probably having a few more hours. While I have run into toxic players(bully squads, tunnelers etc.), I would say for the most part my experience has been amazing. I'm constantly having games where survivors and killers ended up being friendly and chilling.
I know this steps into the realm of whataboutism, especially since I have a smaller sample size. However, the community has been the main reason for me wanting to keep playing.
I think at the end of the day, no matter what game you play, there will be toxic players. They will also always be the loudest and most noticeable people. I think if you ignore the toxicity DBD actually has one of the better and more fun communities I've seen.
There are lots of friendly players as well as toxic players in every online game. I try to talk from my own personal experience in this video but I also mention it is a small part of the playerbase I’m ranting about later on in the video :)
@@skott199 Oh no doubt. We all can only speak from our own point of views. Just wanted to put out there that the community does have a lot of good in it. I feel as if people can see videos or reddit post about this topic and it push them away from the game. I want people to feel comfortable coming in without the fear of only running into toxic people. Great video overall though and you do cover great points.
@@HalcyonHobbit I agree 100% thanks for sharing your opinion 😄
Wait until you get into higher level matches as killer lol
Come back after you’ve reached high mmr 😂
I dont mind toxic players in the actual game too much. I HATE how much the player base complains about literally everything though.
Every post by bhvr on every site is just full of comments by players crying about everything.
I have roughly 25k hours in Dead by Daylight with at least 4 digit hours in both roles. The only toxicity i've seen gameplay wise has been survivors sandbagging other survivors, IE body blocking people in corners where they can't move until both parties get AFK crows or die to an endgame collapse.
Endgame chat has a little whininess but not a lot of toxicity.
Post game adds however are *Very* different and you've got people sending gruesome and illegal images, making threats and such but never see that in the game chat.
Yesterday a bubba let 4 of us slug next to hook basement. This is toxic in my opinion, he could just hook us, even after ds 60 seconds and other survivor at the end said he was a "monkey" when talking about his skin colour
@@karlackk I went to a college that had designated "safe spaces" in corner hallways for people to cry between classes. Some of the people who used them have found lots of little things toxic, they called them microaggressions. Misgendering, using triggering words in normal conversation. Whatever else. that sorta thing happens.
In reality, we have no idea why the Bubba was slugging. There are lots of competitive advantages to bleeding out survivors. No chance to 4%, If someone else unbreakables you don't have to drop the slug to reset them. You can pick the order people use their UBs, if they stand up out of order, you can wait out the soulguard because they aren't carrying, last survivor in a trial is on death hook etc.
Is it more effort than most killers are going to put into their games or more than is required to win most of the time? Sure. But why assume people are just being mean to you, or try to become a victim?
Survivors can go out of their way to sandbag each other, but there is very little platform for survivor or killer to be "toxic" or even unfriendly to the other without making a leap of logic to accommodate it, and at that point you just want to.
Post game chat might be a different animal, but as far as i've seen in over 25k hours of DBD there is very little toxicity compared to what i've seen on stuff like Battlenet or ANet
I forgot to mention sandbagging others on purpose I see.
@@skott199 I don't even really mind if a survivor sandbags someone else because they think they need to take a hit, or they haven't been hooked and they think that the killer can't afford to hit them, or even if they are playing for hatch. There are (often suboptimal) strategical reasons to do it.
The people who play survivor and body block other survivors til death are the only example of toxicity that I have seen and that I think this game supports.
Anything else reported almost always seems to be a stretch and victim mentality.
25k Hours?
i get way more toxic survivors then i do killers
I experience the same unfortunately. Thank you for sharing!
as a person who play's both i will say i tunnel if there are 4 players left and i am at 2 gens left you kinda have too to get the pressure back i will also tunnel if some is being toxic and i will teabag if a killer is toxic i believe it's fair i will also see people get off hook and actively try to pull agro then get mad when i get them. i think more or less how i play is fair and simple i have almost 200 hours on pc and idk how much on xbox so prolly 500 at most. Idk if my experience or playstyle is similar to other or toxic to others. also side note not sure if people care but i think proxy camping is ok if you got 1 maybe 2 gen at most if all player are alive that's just my opinion.
I'm doing my best to spread love and positivity with Skull Merchant. She is my instrument of positivity for a reason. People hate Skull, come into my chat and be toxic and I'm being super nice, got me several follows because of my energy 😄
I can definitely see how that positivity can be spread! 😃
There are very few things you can do as a survivor to be toxic that actually impact the quality of the game for the killer, while killers can straight up ruin the experience for four other people. I've been toxic on killer for multiple games in a row to see if it's actually possible to win often while doing it, and to no surprise, it is very possible. So I see why survivors can get upset, especially if you are against one of the very strong anti loop killers and you just get proxied out of the game, then the rest of the team gets snowballed on by multiple slowdowns. This is why I'm glad they are adding 10 seconds to the hook state, in hopes that it makes proxy camping less valuable.
I have to take regular breaks from DBD because of the toxicity. I'm not one that's vulnerable to shit talk or suicide/death threats, but it does get to you after awhile when its *almost every god damn game*, man. It's always from survivors too, the worst that I've ever got from a killer was "ggez", which doesn't even remotely compare to the horrific things survivors say to me (and to each other!)
For thebyears I've been playing the game I've rarely get players that are toxic i mostly seen some salty ones but i seen a lot of nice players i guess maybe it's because i mainly run non meta perks and play killer and hardly tunnel and camp so i guess that's the reason why i don't get people like them but i know there are some people no matter how good the game went they'll just harass other people for no reason which I think that is a shity which honestly those types of people should be temp banned to perma eventually.
I've had this question for a while, why is tunneling toxic? Why is it considered a bad thing to do? I love getting tunneled I don't see why you wouldn't. The chase is the central gameplay on both sides so why would you not like when the killer chases you the whole match, do you want to sit on gens all game? But then why do so many also complain about gen slowdown? You don't like slowdown cuz you gotta sit on gens but you don't like being tunneled because you can't sit on gens. It just doesn't make sense to me
It’s unfair for the person your tunnelling they are only being targeted while they are 3 other people in the match you could rather be going after
@@AshyGashy how is it unfair for the one being targeted? Do you not want to be in chase which is the main part of the game? Only way I can see it being unfair is to the other survivors that don’t get much chase but sometimes it’s just like that and you gg go next, hopefully the next game you get more interaction with the killer.
@@forkkrof8736 you don’t always want to be in a chase, sometimes you just want the killer to be going after someone else so you can heal
Up and do gens
@@AshyGashy Personally I just don't understand that if I ain't in chase I ain't having fun
@@forkkrof8736 yeah it’s sad the only fun thing about dbd is the chases, everything else is just watching a bar fill up
I don't understand something. Why can't you just ignore them? You made a video about people getting angry and spreading their hatred, but why not just ignore them?
I also don't understand why "tunneling" is seen as toxic, but using meta and being a gen jockey is A ok. They are both playing at max efficiency. On top of that, where is the fun?
I do think toxicity should be ignored however I do wanted to share my opinion on the topic as it is important to not stay silent. What I do think should be getting attention is why are people entitled to send others unalive threats because they lose in a game?
The last point you make is I don’t think tunneling is bad as mentioned in the video however I do think the Behavior at 5 gens is pathetic. Just my take and people are allowed to play however they fit them.
Cuz it needs to be addressed
dude. all these people need to realize that they need to get a damn life. hop off the screen and go do something other than complain on a game on pixels. go workout or make money or whatever. But after a game no matter how toxic i was killed. i'll be mad for a min or 2 then im over it. These losers need to stop complaning both survivors and killers. just a game dude get over it.
I mean people have the right to complain and cry lol. That's how the world works, you cry and make other folk cry about the same issue. Pretty much what MLK did but it's an extreme example lol
Bros never been in a cod lobby
@@AshyGashy for he's soft asf like jelly
I would love for otz to see this video, you've got actual arguments, also i don't think you've mention survivors that play on a party to humiliate the killer
@@Mini_Wolf. I try to keep my videos within my own opinions and don’t try to state facts.
You’re right I forgot to mention bully squads! I will consider covering that in another video.
survivor players are definitely much more toxic than killers, ttvs accuse me of hacking and tunneling more than anyone else
Lies
@@Sixdawg06 ain’t nothing but facts bro, everytime i go into a stream to say gg i just end up getting annoyed by whoever is streaming cause they complain regardless of what killer of playstyle you use. they always have something negative to say