Tatum got criticized like crazy when he lost in the finals and it was warranted because he stunk offensively. Luka lost in his first appearance and he was a major liability on defense so it's also warranted. Not to mention the amount of crying he does to the refs.
@@blablablaa14 strong take, but I’d disagree bc Luka isn’t distracted like Zion nor is Luka outright OPTING to sit out games. I can see how the two of them suffer from the conditioning problem though
@@darkelzsmith3564 he plays defense go watch bro literally thinking about game 3 lol he leads in steals and all type of defense categories so he has to play defense stop with the goofy narratives.. he literally top 3 playmaker in the whole NBA arguably the best so you either don’t know ball or an idiot or both , I think both 👍🏾
Please, Luka didn’t help himself throughout the series. He should learn how to play defense. He played none. Boston targeted him constantly. You’re focused on what he did offensively ONLY. He’s been all NBA five years in a row and has also been one of, if not the worst defensive player in the league. Bring back defense and players like Luka will be seen as just average. This is the NBA finals not the Euro league finals. DEFENSE MATTERS!!!
How do you help a dude that was 58% from the free throw line, turned the ball over 23 times, had 1 assist in game 1, played defense so bad that even the announcers couldn't help noticing it, and has no impact on the game away from the ball ever. No one could help that MF win a championship. Not even the guy who helped Lebron. If he doesn't lose weight, his knees and ankles are going to be putty in 3 years. But keep enabling him, and he's never win a ring. It was the worst finals performance I've ever seen from a superstar. The dude didn't belong in a finals and by game 2, it looked like even he knew it. If he wants to win, he's got to condition, get better on defense, and learn how to keep cool under pressure. He acted like a baby the whole series, it was pathetic.
@@Malundochoker messi would have never achieved success with RMA Just look at him in barca without xavi-iniesta in UCL for almost a decade Glad they didn't signed that choker
As a loyal and passionate Celtics fan, I can admit Luka was the best player on the floor in these NBA Finals - even with his subpar defense. Mavs lost this series because Luka got little help from Kyrie or any of the other Mavs supporting cast.
He shot 58% from the line. He turned the ball over 23 times. He was half a player, playing only on the offensive end. His finals averages went down 4 points, 4 assists, and 1 rebound from his regular season averages, and he had a negative impact on the game away from the ball, it was like watching someone who only conditioned to play horse on the offensive end. His turnovers and bad defense alone gave up 10 more points than he scored. He was not the best player out there. The best player out there wouldn't have turned the ball over that many times, got shut down on assists in game 1, or missed 42% of his free throw shots - in a finals. The defense and turnovers alone cancels out any shots he hurls up. I was shocked at just how horrible he is. Nothing could win a real finals series with that dope out there, even the guy who won with Lebron. He spent more time at half-court tattle-telling to referees than he did playing basketball. He's also grossly overweight and obviously doesn't have the mental capacity to play championship basketball. It was one of the worst finals performance I've ever seen from a supposedly elite player. Even he looked like he knew he didn't belong out there.
his reps tarnished severely = now every team knows how to beat him = do you think EVERY team in the NBA, won't start using that same strategy on Luka?? If Luka doesn't start putting some "effort" into defence, teams are going to embarrass him again, just like BOS just did
@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 u think this is the first year people have said this about luka on defense? It's been said his whole career especially a few years ago against the suns and he still beat them too
@@anthonypalo8191Look at how much Klay is getting paid I'm a GSW Fan but he is hard to watch this days esp when he is Flexing the 4 rings while losing Big
@@naveedthalappil7976 The thing is that Windy thinks Messi played for Real Madrid (he mantioned it like 2 weeks ago that Luka grew up watching Messi lmao) ;)
Brian is also a clown, saying Luka has had this problem for a decade...he was a winner overseas, so what the hell is the point of bringing that up?! And he hasn't been in the NBA for a decade. The hate is real.
You’re not listening, he never said Luka wasn’t a winner or that it’s necessarily stops him from being great, he’s saying that his complaining to the refs habit has always been a problem no matter where he’s been. And that’s true.
His play in the finals was a disgrace. He's 25 years old and looked like a 40 year-old man out there about to have a stroke. He padded his stats with horse-like shots from everywhere, but no one mentions the 23 turnovers that gave up so many points or the 58% from the free throw line that tanked them, or the fact that he had 1 assist in game 1, and played the most shameful defense I've ever seen in a finals. There were times when he just stood there watching the game waiting to get back on offense to grab points. Whined, pouted, acted like a child. Even if he had 100 points, I wouldn't ever want to see that kind of play in a championship again. Even Kyrie couldn't help this guy get a ring. Either get him in shape or get used to pain.
He is a 6'7 James Harden from Houston. They both went to one finals and 2 conference finals. CP3 injury held him back. Both ball dominate and dribble the air out the ball. They play slo mo ball and shoot step back 3s. They both throw lobs and 3 point assist.
Kyrie losing in NBA Finals had no impact on his legacy His legacy was hurt when he refused to get vaccinated Unless you know what you're talking about just shut up
@@MangoTroubles-007 "His legacy was hurt when he refused to get vaccinated".... this is one of the dumbest thing I have heard in my life... Everyone knows Kyrie's legacy has been hurt by the way he left the teams he played on...
Imagine calling a dude that plays throughout the year, out of shape. Why? Because his play style is slow? Body type not like Lebron? Can't question his work ethic. Took a team that no one except Legler picked to go to the finals. Just one playoff loss was enough to tarnish him. Its not even like he choked. Dude averaged 30 and almost had a triple double every other game while looking like he was transitioning into The Mummy.
Yeah lukas overall attitude and his conditioning being way outta shape are the only thing holding him back from being an absolute legend i cant wait to see what the future holds for him
Until he can at least half way stay in front of his man on defense he will always come up short. Never seen a guy everyone claims to be the best player get picked on on defense like he did the whole playoffs. Hell they have to make up stats to even try and say he is a good defender, the eyes dont lie, bro is a one way player.
Luka reached the finals with an average team and lost to a celtics superteam. Great season. WCF mvp and averages a 30pt triple double in the playoffs for his CAREER. The man led the playoffs in total points, assists, rebounds, steals and more... There's only one player in the world better than Luka. That's Jokic btw.
Luka did more than expected, but as a Mavs fan, for me his attitude throughout the games are a turnoff, trashtalking while he's up and complaining all the time when he's down, he gotta work on that and stop being crass
As the biggest Luka fan from Slovenia they are right - all that's missing is him getting in proper shape. There are stories of his awful drinking/eating habits all over the place. It's time Luka. Then he'd be unstoppable
@@hindolbanerjee42 u have to be a casual to not understand that. Boston literally attacked him every chance they could and got open looks every time because of it. Defense is literally HALF the game and Luka had the Mavs out there 4v5 the whole time 🤷🏽♂️ truth can hurt but it’s doesn’t change the fact
When Tatum played the 2022 finals banged up and with a fractured wrist on his shooting hand from carrying Celtics in that tough road to the finals..the media tore him apart. Now they are acting sentimental on Luka🤦🏾♂️
When Luka wins, the opposite team has no defense. When Luka loses, it’s Luka’s defense. Gotcha. Stephen A show me who won their first championship in their first appearance at age 25? Only one, D Wade at 24. Even Lebron won at 28, MJ won at 28.
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713Luka is only 25 he made finals in stacked western conference despite being underdog in every series. He's the best player in the league and will win multiple championships sooner than later
@@arthasmenethil4297harden doesn’t score at all three levels, can’t score going to his right, is far less efficient at the rim and midrange, and isn’t in the same stratosphere as a passer as Luka. Harden became a leading scorer by learning how to hook defender’s arms and draw 20 FTA/ game.
Wdym,Luka was great in these finals other than the defensive end at game 3. From the offensive end aka what he’s known for, he was elite. He has to just get in shape. Kyrie is a different case tho…….:
I get the whole “if he’s out there injuries aren’t an excuse” but it was clear they bothered him at times. Plus, if he did sit out or play less because of them people would call Luka soft. Let’s also not act like other players who had been hitting threes previously didn’t go 1-12 from three in game five, 1-13 in game two, and 0-9 in game one. If just a handful of those are made, those games couldn’t been drastically different (yes Luka shot poorly from three too). I give props to the Celtics and I actually like the players on their team, I just think it’s funny that the guy is dropping 20-30 each game with injuries and people aren’t calling out the role players who missed a million open threes
The Mavs would lose like the Cavs if Luka sat out. I liked Tatum as a person until he just took a shot at all DFW sports fans by mocking Seager’s WS parade speech
In retrospect, Lukas first Finals went down a lot like his first WCF. An unforeseen, magical run that ends with a 4-1 loss to a clearly better & hungrier team. Mavs as a whole just weren't ready for what the moment required. Now they will buy in and get better or implode.
Yall not holding Luka accountable will be his downfall. He's NOT a leader at all. Playing with a dude like Luka can be exhausting cuzz he gets all the praise and no blame. He's the new James Harden, plain & simple. Thinks he's too good at what he does to add another dimension to his game.
another person who puts comments out here but has nothing really to say. so I tell you what why don't you try out for a real basketball team. then come back an tell us how it went for you
It didn't tarnish his legacy, but it did shine light on his weaknesses. For as dominant as he is on the offensive side of the ball, he does have a lot of work to do on the other side.
His image took a hit, for sure. But it’s basketball, it happens to everyone. Luka needs to get in the lab, work on his weak areas. That’s what all the greats do.
Bro, are you crazy??? Did you watched all the time different play off, different finals??? Because I saw Luka having his best season of his career, averaging nearly 34 points triple double in regular season, being the best player from Mavs in first round, 2md round, finals and espe6in conference finals. He was the only reason why Dallas didn't lost every game by 50. I mean what the hell...
@@NotPremee that's different story. The point is, since beggining of this season to the end, Luka was always the best player for the Mavs. And if this man wasn't on that team, they are not making to the play offs.
But when it counted, Luka was a no-show. Defense wins championship, not matador defense, he's not in Spain. No more beer drinking Luka. Discipline your body and mind, championships will follow. @hristijandimitrovski8664
This is embarassing for the Wolves. It demonstrates how bad their coaching was in that series. Luka did all of the sudden become a terrible defender. The Wolves, in one of the worst coaching blunders you'll ever see, allowed Luka to stand on defense and do absolutely nothing the entire game and he cooked them for it. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd say Chris Finch deserves to be fired after this series more so than after the Wolves and Mavs series, because Boston exposed just how bad of a defensive liability that Luka is and how the Wolves could have exploited it. The Wolves would have given Boston a much better series.
The Celtics jumped on Luka when he was face down on the floor, injuring his rib cage in game one. That happened to me (albeit by a much smaller person) and I couldn’t twist my torso for three weeks. It hurt to breath
@@CH-xt4cr Luka was in elite shape this year. He scored the most points minus free throws in NBA history since the 1972 merger. Then he led the team past three teams that were supposed to be both bad matchups for the Mavs and better than the Mavs. He played great defense on ball until he got body slammed on the floor in the first game of the finals.
@@mikemcc8315 He literally gained weight during the season and usually camps out on defense whenever possible. Points are easy, offensive is easy. Defensive is where effort and energy is required. The guy stores up all of his energy for offense. And the way he plays offensive is not by exerting a lot of energy he has a very slow, calculated, style.
he'd play better defence + be able to stay in the game longer = once Luka gets tired, he instantly starts playing "sloppy" defence, which instantly hurts his team = you have never seen any player, in the history of the "NBA Finals", get BLOWN by, so often before = Luka was a severe liability on the court, on defence = we all watched it happen
I think it's more of an issue what the fact but he can't play off the ball, make backdoor cuts and stuff that's going to be his downfall this guy's just like James harden people act like he's something we've never seen. He literally is James harden 2.0
@@purplesky4157James harden almost beat the KD warriors, Luka got swept by an old warriors without KD, stop it casual at least say something that’s debatable 😂
You know he's the best because you replace him with any team's best player and they would be much better. The Celtics simply had the better team, it was basically 12 v 7 at best
I think Luka knew he could outplay anybody in the nba but he realized there’s another level once he reached the finals. I think he is serious now and will come back in better shape.
@@daniellink8416 Says that great teams on both sides of the ball make good champions. Says that the Celtics are World Champions. ☘️🏆☘️ And it says that you’re just simply a hater. And we love that.
right I'm a hater because you can't come up with a good response to my opinion of your so called super stars. good job you want a cookie for a dumb come back
Before 2018 draft Stephen A Smith already tarnish his image. He refused to vote him or Jokic for MVP. Luka scored 73 points this season and SAS scolded Hawks.
Why the hell are they talking about Luka not being in shape being the issue and not even mention the fact that he brought the Mavs to the finals with all his injuries. You guys are so selective when it comes to destroying someone's image. Luka literally didn't want to make his injuries an excuse in the very clip ya showed, but don't want to discuss the fact that he was playing hurt.
Luka before the Finals: Arguably the best player in the league. Luka after the Finals: Arguably the best player in the league. What are we talking about?
I don't think Luka's conditioning had anything to do with the Mavs losing this series. He was in this same type of shape against the timberwolves, who had one of the best defenses in the league and he dominated them. Mavs lost for 3 primary reasons: The Celtics had a great defensive game plan, Kyrie didn't show up, the rest of the supporting cast wasn't very productive
I do not see how it tarnished his image, but it might’ve exposed his weaknesses. He can only grow from here. He’s still very young. The best thing he could do is to get in shape first like real shape.
It's a mixed bag. Luka's numbers look impressive but the splits to get them were awful. Splits of 47/29/59 averaging 5 turnovers a game is horribly inefficient and the fact he did trust Kyrie to help him speaks of his inability to lead a team.
Look at the numbers he averaged. How did that tarnish his legacy???? Bringing up his conditioning or things he needs to work on is irrelevant to the question.
Shaq was out of shape his ENTIRE carrer. That didn't tarnish his career or how he's seen at all. They say he "could" have been better... But they never use it to tarnish his career.
He's the worst defender I've ever seen make it to an NBA Finals and often stood at half-court watching the Celtics so he could creep back on offense. He was a turnover machine with 23 turnovers across the series and shot 58% from the free throw line. Unlike other superstars, his averages went down during the finals, not up, with his points dropping 4, his assists dropping 4, and his rebounds dropping by 1. He had 1 assist in game 1, 8 turnovers in game 2 (7 in game 5), and played defense so bad in game 3 that even the announcers were shocked to see it in a finals. By game 5, he looked like a 50 year-old man with high blood pressure just struggling to stay on the court. He's out of shape. He's a liability on defense (what good does it do to get 33 points on the offensive end if you give up 14 on turnovers and 20 with bad defense?). And most of all, he had all the heart of a kid anxious to get home and eat more cake. If he wants a ring, he'll have to work on his mental toughness, hustle, and most of all, he'll have to use some of that $40 million salary to get a gym membership and dietician. Most of all, he needs to learn how to fire up his teammates and affect the game away from the ball. It's really nice to hurl up 29 in a game, but even when you don't have the ball in your hands, you have to create shots for your teammates, and he's too slow to do that (think Jordan wrecking the court even away from the ball or Shaq creating diversions for Bryant and vice versa). I can't believe the Mavs made it through the west. They were not even remotely close to the best team in it, and it showed in the finals. I doubt they'll be back next year, and Irving is in decline.
Kudos to Luka getting his team to the finals. Him and his team were just outplayed. 2 stars in his team vs. 7 certified in Boston. Outsmarted by the most Moneyball coach of the league playing total basketball with a stone cold face praising the big guy in the sky. I'm hoping his organisation hunkers down and really goes over the entire finals series with a fine toothed comb and comes up with new strategies to really work themselves into a better position for next year.
Luka led the whole playoffs in total pts,rbnds,asts and this is there best argument about his image possibly being tarnished????? What they should be bringing up is how the role players completely forgot how to play in the finals nobody showed up but Luka not even Ky except for game 3, theres only so much 1 player can do without help
Yea maybe Luka could lose 15 more pounds, maybe put on a little muscle But by no means is his image tarnished. He’s gotten better every year. He takes every criticism and gets better. The league is put on notice. He is going to be even better next year and that’s scary to think
Luka got multiple injuries in the start of playoffs but he kept on playing till the end. Destroying CLIPPERS, OKC, TIMBERWOLVES superstars. Remember they're playing against an INJURED, BEATEN DOWN and a very TIRED man... Give man a credit
No excuses for Luka, he was running around and playing the same as always.. he pushes off all the time on each possession and they never call moving screen on the mavericks at all… Luka gets away with murder all the time and cries foul too much
Luka was in the NBA finals. All other teams were sitting home. Lukas image is not tarnished.
Exactly. Just like Tatum's '22 finals loss at 24 also shouldn't have tarnished him. But it did. 🤷
@@mrengaluka defends sucks just accept it plus he’s a ball hogging jock.
Windy posture hurts my back
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He’s fat what you expect
His posture look like he leaning over a table and eating
I hate National Media debate questions
The carpett Muncher who loves snakes is the loudest in the room-Lo and Behold
@@Rasira2023 Who is that?
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This is a great question
Team lost in playoffs?
"HAS THIS TARNISHED __________'S LEGACY!??!?!?!?!"
Luka was in the same shape when he destroyed ANT man. WTH is SA talking about?
That series is over my guy!
Ant man ain't win the chip..... nor did Luka win the chip by beating ant man
Ant was 22 and he was the offense
Minnesota didn’t expose him, Boston did
@@immortalfit That's what I thought. Just say Boston was the better team, not blame it on Luka's shape, which SA did.
This is literally his first finals appearance like let’s just calm down
Tatum got criticized like crazy when he lost in the finals and it was warranted because he stunk offensively. Luka lost in his first appearance and he was a major liability on defense so it's also warranted. Not to mention the amount of crying he does to the refs.
No we have to be hard on him … he may never get back … ask the 76ers franchise
And he’s only 25 years old. I’d say that’s very impressive for a kid that age to make a finals like that better than harden
@@willwhite636its not warranted because luka was the best player on that court, while tatum was never the best player.
@@justicestyles fair point, but this is his 5th year in the league. I’ll put my bank account that he’ll at least get back there
Saying Luka is a Messi fan is blasphemy
D8d somebody say that?
@@jamesmckenna5438luka is a ronaldo fan. He grew up in madrid sports profram
@@hahayessir400 how could he not be a Ronaldo fan but if u truly love sovver you gotta be a5r messi far5n too
Dirk managed to change his conditioning mid career. Luka can too. It's all about motivation.
I know, I feel like we forget he’s just 25
Yes but Luka has never ever cared about conditioning. He’s closer to Zion in attitude than Dirk
@@blablablaa14 strong take, but I’d disagree bc Luka isn’t distracted like Zion nor is Luka outright OPTING to sit out games. I can see how the two of them suffer from the conditioning problem though
He can, but I think he’s not built to be a strong defensive player. He is just too slow footed
Dirk was never overweight with bad ankles and injury issues
Props to Luka, he played pretty well going through multiple injuries at once. As a Celtics fan, I salute him.
Respect , congrats it was you guys year see ya next year.
Plays no defense, overrated as a playmaker, and never takes accountability. All Luka does is cry, complain, and act like a cone. 😂😅😂
@@darkelzsmith3564I wouldn't call his playmaking overrated at all but otherwise accurate
@@darkelzsmith3564 there was never no injury
@@darkelzsmith3564 he plays defense go watch bro literally thinking about game 3 lol he leads in steals and all type of defense categories so he has to play defense stop with the goofy narratives.. he literally top 3 playmaker in the whole NBA arguably the best so you either don’t know ball or an idiot or both , I think both 👍🏾
Stephen a’s problem is body shape not the fact that no one helped Luka until game 4 like what are we doing
Please, Luka didn’t help himself throughout the series. He should learn how to play defense. He played none. Boston targeted him constantly. You’re focused on what he did offensively ONLY. He’s been all NBA five years in a row and has also been one of, if not the worst defensive player in the league. Bring back defense and players like Luka will be seen as just average. This is the NBA finals not the Euro league finals. DEFENSE MATTERS!!!
How do you help a dude that was 58% from the free throw line, turned the ball over 23 times, had 1 assist in game 1, played defense so bad that even the announcers couldn't help noticing it, and has no impact on the game away from the ball ever. No one could help that MF win a championship. Not even the guy who helped Lebron.
If he doesn't lose weight, his knees and ankles are going to be putty in 3 years. But keep enabling him, and he's never win a ring. It was the worst finals performance I've ever seen from a superstar. The dude didn't belong in a finals and by game 2, it looked like even he knew it. If he wants to win, he's got to condition, get better on defense, and learn how to keep cool under pressure. He acted like a baby the whole series, it was pathetic.
@@TomSkinner-cn7mgwhat he did offensively like disappearing in the 4th quarter whole series ??
Messi is crazy 😂 Windy is lowkey the funniest analyst in FT
And he said that Messi was in Real Madrid 😭
He did say it xD
@@Malundochoker messi would have never achieved success with RMA
Just look at him in barca without xavi-iniesta in UCL for almost a decade
Glad they didn't signed that choker
I've never seen LeBron, KD, or Steph out of shape
Elite players be over hype yt boy
@@shanee4188anyone who says yt is racist
I've never seen KD get a team to the finals (on his own being a dog in 3 out of 4 series)
@@wasnloshier10 2012 OKC vs Heat ?
@@wasnloshier10 2 FMVP means he won as the best player on his team so the allegations doesnt even make sense
As a loyal and passionate Celtics fan, I can admit Luka was the best player on the floor in these NBA Finals - even with his subpar defense. Mavs lost this series because Luka got little help from Kyrie or any of the other Mavs supporting cast.
Thank you for being a Celtics fan with common sense lol. I tip my cap to y’all’s team construction, no holes in any position really
@@tubbsthabarber4507 😂😂😂😂they only won the game Celtics didn’t care about . Luka balll hogging lost the series
@@tubbsthabarber4507 luka lost Celtics the series . Mavs got the slowest person on the court holding the ball for 48 mins
He shot 58% from the line. He turned the ball over 23 times. He was half a player, playing only on the offensive end. His finals averages went down 4 points, 4 assists, and 1 rebound from his regular season averages, and he had a negative impact on the game away from the ball, it was like watching someone who only conditioned to play horse on the offensive end. His turnovers and bad defense alone gave up 10 more points than he scored.
He was not the best player out there. The best player out there wouldn't have turned the ball over that many times, got shut down on assists in game 1, or missed 42% of his free throw shots - in a finals. The defense and turnovers alone cancels out any shots he hurls up. I was shocked at just how horrible he is. Nothing could win a real finals series with that dope out there, even the guy who won with Lebron. He spent more time at half-court tattle-telling to referees than he did playing basketball. He's also grossly overweight and obviously doesn't have the mental capacity to play championship basketball. It was one of the worst finals performance I've ever seen from a supposedly elite player. Even he looked like he knew he didn't belong out there.
@@beankobe8205 kinda like the nuggets lol
It didnt tarnish anything…it takes time to get over the hump
his reps tarnished severely = now every team knows how to beat him = do you think EVERY team in the NBA, won't start using that same strategy on Luka?? If Luka doesn't start putting some "effort" into defence, teams are going to embarrass him again, just like BOS just did
@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 u think this is the first year people have said this about luka on defense? It's been said his whole career especially a few years ago against the suns and he still beat them too
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 lmao casual thinks the world just discovered Luka is bad on defense this week.
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713ok? He just needs to get in shape, that’s it. And he did all this at 25, your acting like he’s 34
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713cool story hater prolly antman fan😂
Mavs Over Achieved was a great run for them 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
celtics lose = choke
mavs lose = overachieved
@@hking990mavs did over achieve nobody had them in the finals not even the fans
they choked
@@raymondhall7401 exactly regardless of the outcome .. no one had Dallas in the finals .. I’m not a mavs fan I’m just saying lol
@@IXIRob_MarleyIXI lol Denver not even better than the mavs . Both got a mvp candidate, luka has kyrie . Was s the best team in the west
IDC, Klay went 0-10 in an elimination game
Oh man this is so corny. Your literally 0-0 in an nba game.
Amma be honest, I’m a warriors fan but this is the funniest trending comment I’ve seen
@@anthonypalo8191Look at how much Klay is getting paid I'm a GSW Fan but he is hard to watch this days esp when he is Flexing the 4 rings while losing Big
@@anthonypalo8191so what? A poor performance is a poor performance.
@@Insomnia99530 klsy legit setting screens for curry for 48 mins . Y’all want klsy to average 45 points too
Windy talking about someone conditional is crazy 😂😂😂
true an obese man critiquing conditioning crazy times lol
Messi? Yes I’m sure a massive Real Madrid fan would love to hear from a Barcelona legend
Yes but everyone respects Messi’s greatness, regardless of fanbase
@@naveedthalappil7976 The thing is that Windy thinks Messi played for Real Madrid (he mantioned it like 2 weeks ago that Luka grew up watching Messi lmao) ;)
@@kacprzakandrzej2826 Oh ok lol
@@kacprzakandrzej2826you didn’t listen he says Luka played for Real Madrid not Messi 💀
@@ErickMartinez-nc5jz and that Luka grew up watching him.
Is Jokic in shape? Just stop
His conditioning is outstanding though, durable as hell
@@naveedthalappil7976He’s very well-conditioned. That’s the point.
Can he be in better shape?! Yep!
For his size, yes…. The amount of weight he lost over the last 4/5 yrs is mad
YES HE IS yall will diss anyone just to glaze bums 😂 😂
Brian is also a clown, saying Luka has had this problem for a decade...he was a winner overseas, so what the hell is the point of bringing that up?! And he hasn't been in the NBA for a decade. The hate is real.
In Madrid he was in better shape. American food doesn't help
You’re not listening, he never said Luka wasn’t a winner or that it’s necessarily stops him from being great, he’s saying that his complaining to the refs habit has always been a problem no matter where he’s been. And that’s true.
His play in the finals was a disgrace. He's 25 years old and looked like a 40 year-old man out there about to have a stroke. He padded his stats with horse-like shots from everywhere, but no one mentions the 23 turnovers that gave up so many points or the 58% from the free throw line that tanked them, or the fact that he had 1 assist in game 1, and played the most shameful defense I've ever seen in a finals. There were times when he just stood there watching the game waiting to get back on offense to grab points. Whined, pouted, acted like a child. Even if he had 100 points, I wouldn't ever want to see that kind of play in a championship again.
Even Kyrie couldn't help this guy get a ring. Either get him in shape or get used to pain.
Windy is banned from talking about Luka
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All he said was facts
Andrea Carter is the only one on set who doesn’t understand that luke need to get his a** in shape to be even better
It's because she wants to give him the benefit of the doubt. But when Tatum lost in 2022, there were ALOT of people bashing him
FACTS!!! She looked completely lost when SAS pointed out his lack of conditioning
@@Whyypreeeeeeeeee yeah fr, they act like they scared to agree with the truth , I get it’s a debate show but some things are not up for debate
@@Friedafterbirth yeah fr ! It’s like she was only
Listening to respond and ignoring the cold fact of the kid is way out of shape
the question was did he tarnish his narrative. that was already what people said about him so it isn't tarnished it is the same, just like she said
He's in shape. He was injured throughout the playoffs!
He still fat
Jaylen Brown was on Luka, like white on rice 😂😂😂
Luka still dropping 20 bombs
@@l2-mikeycalling it a 20 bomb is insane.
😂😂😂 held him to like 10 ppg....
Yeh 29 8 6. Pretty horrible ay 😅
@@stephenabeach130324 percent from 3 and 5 turnovers per game
He is a 6'7 James Harden from Houston. They both went to one finals and 2 conference finals. CP3 injury held him back. Both ball dominate and dribble the air out the ball. They play slo mo ball and shoot step back 3s. They both throw lobs and 3 point assist.
Idk bout luka but it doesn't hurt kyries image nomore bcuz he done lost many times in finals already with lebron
Kyrie losing in NBA Finals had no impact on his legacy
His legacy was hurt when he refused to get vaccinated
Unless you know what you're talking about just shut up
@@MangoTroubles-007 "His legacy was hurt when he refused to get vaccinated".... this is one of the dumbest thing I have heard in my life... Everyone knows Kyrie's legacy has been hurt by the way he left the teams he played on...
He lost 1 final with lebron….freaking clowns 🤣🤡
You get more credit for sitting out the playoffs then playing injured and getting eliminated in the finals
"Luka will win a championship, no question" 😂😂😂😂 Yall gotta stop giving people accomplishments before they achieve the goal! 💯
Espn dumb or sum bro the first player in NBA HISTORY to lead the entire playoffs in POINTS, REBOUNDS, ASSISTS, AND STEALS😂
They put the clamps on Luka and Kyrie and said all these other guys gotta beat us
Imagine calling a dude that plays throughout the year, out of shape. Why? Because his play style is slow? Body type not like Lebron? Can't question his work ethic. Took a team that no one except Legler picked to go to the finals. Just one playoff loss was enough to tarnish him. Its not even like he choked. Dude averaged 30 and almost had a triple double every other game while looking like he was transitioning into The Mummy.
Stephen A already peddling narratives lmaoo
What narrative? Are you saying Luka is in optimal condition?
It's absolutely shocking to see SAS criticize Luka, when we all know that he has no bias against white superstars at all... : p
@@jvjjjvvv9157 he loves hir superstars
Yeah lukas overall attitude and his conditioning being way outta shape are the only thing holding him back from being an absolute legend i cant wait to see what the future holds for him
Until he can at least half way stay in front of his man on defense he will always come up short. Never seen a guy everyone claims to be the best player get picked on on defense like he did the whole playoffs. Hell they have to make up stats to even try and say he is a good defender, the eyes dont lie, bro is a one way player.
Not Brian Windhorst discussing someone being out of shape 🤦🏽♂️
Luka reached the finals with an average team and lost to a celtics superteam. Great season. WCF mvp and averages a 30pt triple double in the playoffs for his CAREER.
The man led the playoffs in total points, assists, rebounds, steals and more...
There's only one player in the world better than Luka.
That's Jokic btw.
weird how we didnt hear ''he is injured n all that'' before the finals started
He was hurt from the end of season going into the Clippers series in Round 1. They talked about it every series.
for real bro he can't defend
Didn't have to hear it.... man been hobbling since round 1
we all know WHO complains about injuries when they don't win or think they won't win = it's them "losers" man
They mentioned it every single game,have you been watching games at all?
Luka did more than expected, but as a Mavs fan, for me his attitude throughout the games are a turnoff, trashtalking while he's up and complaining all the time when he's down, he gotta work on that and stop being crass
I feel like Kyrie let the pressure get to him didn't expect him to play like that
Stop it. Luka wasn’t even in the playoffs last year. Why didn’t he carry that team.
As the biggest Luka fan from Slovenia they are right - all that's missing is him getting in proper shape. There are stories of his awful drinking/eating habits all over the place. It's time Luka. Then he'd be unstoppable
he gave boston one of the worst finals losses of all time in his first finals appearance that’s underrated
This was a great segment. Beautifully done. Molly was more engaged as well. 👏🏾
But when Tatum lost in the finals his image was tarnished. Keep that same energy
Tatum lost a few times in the conference finals an final. before they started saying anything bout Tatum legacy. this is Luka first finals appearance.
They letting Luka and Kyrie off easy… I don’t like that. 😂
They let KD ...Bron...Edwards...Jokic off easy...
@@coreyhiggins6890all those dudes played defense and weren’t the sole reason their team lost buddy 😂
Exactly the real reality is they both never show up while playing in Boston
@@ChaposShoota so you think dallas lost because of luka
@@hindolbanerjee42 u have to be a casual to not understand that. Boston literally attacked him every chance they could and got open looks every time because of it. Defense is literally HALF the game and Luka had the Mavs out there 4v5 the whole time 🤷🏽♂️ truth can hurt but it’s doesn’t change the fact
When Tatum played the 2022 finals banged up and with a fractured wrist on his shooting hand from carrying Celtics in that tough road to the finals..the media tore him apart. Now they are acting sentimental on Luka🤦🏾♂️
Well one has a super team. The other has a team that shot less than 10% on wide open 3s in the first 2 games. Guess who is who
When Luka wins, the opposite team has no defense.
When Luka loses, it’s Luka’s defense.
Gotcha.
Stephen A show me who won their first championship in their first appearance at age 25?
Only one, D Wade at 24.
Even Lebron won at 28, MJ won at 28.
what are you trying to say?? You messed this up
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 I’m saying. This is Stephen A narrative. He never gives credit to Luka.
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713Luka is only 25 he made finals in stacked western conference despite being underdog in every series. He's the best player in the league and will win multiple championships sooner than later
@@nahlog he lost though
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 You cant win every finals not everyone is MJ Boston lost just 2 years ago it takes time to win
I don’t think he was out of shape he was hurt there’s a big difference
Defensive effort lmao..... she didnt watch the game
I’m crying how everyone is blaming Luka like he wasn’t out there hooping
Hope that Bird comparisons will seize, everyone knows Bird wouldn’t conduct himself like this Tweety Bird we saw in the finals.
He doesn’t even play like bird. Jokic is similar to bird. Luka plays like James harden honestly.
Maybe. But Luka is better than Bird
@@arthasmenethil4297harden doesn’t score at all three levels, can’t score going to his right, is far less efficient at the rim and midrange, and isn’t in the same stratosphere as a passer as Luka. Harden became a leading scorer by learning how to hook defender’s arms and draw 20 FTA/ game.
Wdym,Luka was great in these finals other than the defensive end at game 3. From the offensive end aka what he’s known for, he was elite. He has to just get in shape. Kyrie is a different case tho…….:
@@MathewDavis-c5qin no reality is Luka better than bird u casual LMAO this is why I call yall lukasuals 🤣
I get the whole “if he’s out there injuries aren’t an excuse” but it was clear they bothered him at times. Plus, if he did sit out or play less because of them people would call Luka soft.
Let’s also not act like other players who had been hitting threes previously didn’t go 1-12 from three in game five, 1-13 in game two, and 0-9 in game one. If just a handful of those are made, those games couldn’t been drastically different (yes Luka shot poorly from three too).
I give props to the Celtics and I actually like the players on their team, I just think it’s funny that the guy is dropping 20-30 each game with injuries and people aren’t calling out the role players who missed a million open threes
The Mavs would lose like the Cavs if Luka sat out. I liked Tatum as a person until he just took a shot at all DFW sports fans by mocking Seager’s WS parade speech
Luka wanted his stats, no more no less
You could say that for anyone on any team. that's a stupid argument. like please come up with something better. but you probably can't
@daniellink8416 I don't need anything better. A stat padder is not a team player. I'm sure you're not a Westbrook fan huh? Shut your face
jayson tatum wanted all that stats in game 5 to win finals mvp
In retrospect, Lukas first Finals went down a lot like his first WCF. An unforeseen, magical run that ends with a 4-1 loss to a clearly better & hungrier team. Mavs as a whole just weren't ready for what the moment required. Now they will buy in and get better or implode.
Yall not holding Luka accountable will be his downfall. He's NOT a leader at all. Playing with a dude like Luka can be exhausting cuzz he gets all the praise and no blame. He's the new James Harden, plain & simple. Thinks he's too good at what he does to add another dimension to his game.
Harden is a playoffs choker. An injured Luka still averaged 30 points on 47% shooting. Kyire disappeared and averaged 19 points on 41% shooting.
another person who puts comments out here but has nothing really to say. so I tell you what why don't you try out for a real basketball team. then come back an tell us how it went for you
It didn't tarnish his legacy, but it did shine light on his weaknesses. For as dominant as he is on the offensive side of the ball, he does have a lot of work to do on the other side.
At least Luka avoided joining Lebron's " Swept in his first finals " club.
Yeah but look at Lebron’s teammates and he was going against a very experienced Spurs team. Not the same 🤷♂️
lol Celtics gave that game away to win in Boston..
That’s MJs club lol Lebron didn’t start that club
losing's the same as getting swept, maybe you should realize that
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious when Windhorst criticizes people about not being in shape?
nah bro that man is a hypocrite
His image took a hit, for sure.
But it’s basketball, it happens to everyone. Luka needs to get in the lab, work on his weak areas. That’s what all the greats do.
Bro, are you crazy??? Did you watched all the time different play off, different finals??? Because I saw Luka having his best season of his career, averaging nearly 34 points triple double in regular season, being the best player from Mavs in first round, 2md round, finals and espe6in conference finals. He was the only reason why Dallas didn't lost every game by 50. I mean what the hell...
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 Fix his attitude dude keeps complaining to the refs, its disgusting.
@@NotPremee that's different story. The point is, since beggining of this season to the end, Luka was always the best player for the Mavs. And if this man wasn't on that team, they are not making to the play offs.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 i agree with you on that.
But when it counted, Luka was a no-show. Defense wins championship, not matador defense, he's not in Spain. No more beer drinking Luka. Discipline your body and mind, championships will follow. @hristijandimitrovski8664
His image only improved these playoffs y'all out here trying to push narratives
This is embarassing for the Wolves. It demonstrates how bad their coaching was in that series. Luka did all of the sudden become a terrible defender. The Wolves, in one of the worst coaching blunders you'll ever see, allowed Luka to stand on defense and do absolutely nothing the entire game and he cooked them for it. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd say Chris Finch deserves to be fired after this series more so than after the Wolves and Mavs series, because Boston exposed just how bad of a defensive liability that Luka is and how the Wolves could have exploited it. The Wolves would have given Boston a much better series.
The Celtics jumped on Luka when he was face down on the floor, injuring his rib cage in game one. That happened to me (albeit by a much smaller person) and I couldn’t twist my torso for three weeks. It hurt to breath
@@mikemcc8315 Luka has been an out of shape, defensive liability his entire career, not only in this series.
@@CH-xt4cr Luka was in elite shape this year. He scored the most points minus free throws in NBA history since the 1972 merger. Then he led the team past three teams that were supposed to be both bad matchups for the Mavs and better than the Mavs. He played great defense on ball until he got body slammed on the floor in the first game of the finals.
@@mikemcc8315 He literally gained weight during the season and usually camps out on defense whenever possible. Points are easy, offensive is easy. Defensive is where effort and energy is required. The guy stores up all of his energy for offense. And the way he plays offensive is not by exerting a lot of energy he has a very slow, calculated, style.
He led in almost every offensive category
Him being in better shape wouldn’t have changed this series though….
he'd play better defence + be able to stay in the game longer = once Luka gets tired, he instantly starts playing "sloppy" defence, which instantly hurts his team = you have never seen any player, in the history of the "NBA Finals", get BLOWN by, so often before = Luka was a severe liability on the court, on defence = we all watched it happen
If he were in better shape, maybe it could have helped prevent some of his injuries, or maybe he would be able to move his feet better on defense.
@@ScarletDream21 being in shape has literally no bearing on knee sprain.
@@ubadman1 keyword in there was "some"
Windy must love talking about conditioning and getting in shape
Luka love 🍺 way more than a ring 😂😂😂 he got that beer belly at 25
Okay Jayson Tatum got bashed until he won the NBA Finals, so I guess it's Luka Doncic's turn now until he wins a championship. LMAO
First abd only player in NBA history to lead in points, rebounds, assists AND steals in the playoff finals. Let that sink for a momment.
I think it's more of an issue what the fact but he can't play off the ball, make backdoor cuts and stuff that's going to be his downfall this guy's just like James harden people act like he's something we've never seen. He literally is James harden 2.0
But actually shows up in the playoffs
Nah he better and has more potential than harden. He just needa adjust and grow from this up to him to do it though
@@kevothegoat9891yet all his stats were down in the series from regular season 🤣 buddy a choker that can’t guard dry paint 😂
@@purplesky4157James harden almost beat the KD warriors, Luka got swept by an old warriors without KD, stop it casual at least say something that’s debatable 😂
@@ChaposShoota The same warriors team that won a championship?
Windy really be up there hating on Luka 😂
Well he definitely isn't the best in the world. Jokic is still the best
Yes he is, there’s a reason he was in the finals to begin with
JB and JT are? 😅
He still top 5 tho
You know he's the best because you replace him with any team's best player and they would be much better. The Celtics simply had the better team, it was basically 12 v 7 at best
Yep, Joker and Giannis better
I think Luka knew he could outplay anybody in the nba but he realized there’s another level once he reached the finals. I think he is serious now and will come back in better shape.
Celtic’s “D” is unlike anything Luka experienced in the playoffs. His endurance got exposed. He’s a freakin’ Fat Albert with an ole’ defense.
an it took Tatum an Brown to have 5 to 6 other great players to help them win a chip so what's that say bout Tatum an Brown as players hmm.
@@daniellink8416 Says that great teams on both sides of the ball make good champions. Says that the Celtics are World Champions. ☘️🏆☘️
And it says that you’re just simply a hater. And we love that.
right I'm a hater because you can't come up with a good response to my opinion of your so called super stars. good job you want a cookie for a dumb come back
Luka doncic is sorry and everyone needs to admit it lmao and people were comparing sorry Luka to Bird and Nowitski SMH 🤣😂🤣🤣
You’re just a hater
@@tombrady2734 truth hurts 🤕 SMH 🤣🤣🤣
Before 2018 draft Stephen A Smith already tarnish his image. He refused to vote him or Jokic for MVP. Luka scored 73 points this season and SAS scolded Hawks.
Why the hell are they talking about Luka not being in shape being the issue and not even mention the fact that he brought the Mavs to the finals with all his injuries. You guys are so selective when it comes to destroying someone's image. Luka literally didn't want to make his injuries an excuse in the very clip ya showed, but don't want to discuss the fact that he was playing hurt.
The thing this would show is that Luka has to remember that you can’t antagonize the refs also get this man some dominant wings
Luka before the Finals: Arguably the best player in the league.
Luka after the Finals: Arguably the best player in the league.
What are we talking about?
Imagine not being in shape and averaging 35 10 and 9. Are these people idiots?
I’m a Celtics fan but thinking less of Luka after an insane run except for the finals (where he still played great) is so confusing
I love how people think Luka will win a championship. They talk like it's east to even get to the finals
I don't think Luka's conditioning had anything to do with the Mavs losing this series. He was in this same type of shape against the timberwolves, who had one of the best defenses in the league and he dominated them. Mavs lost for 3 primary reasons: The Celtics had a great defensive game plan, Kyrie didn't show up, the rest of the supporting cast wasn't very productive
Luka wasn't productive either. 29 points on 29 shots per game
@@rcruz-zu4sm He took that many shots bcuz there was no other consistent scoring threat on the team
Multiple injuries. Took 5th seed team to the finals. Postseason stats: 1st in points, rebounds, steals and assists. not too shabby.
Media don’t like international players dominating the league
I do not see how it tarnished his image, but it might’ve exposed his weaknesses. He can only grow from here. He’s still very young. The best thing he could do is to get in shape first like real shape.
Imagine working hard your life to get yourself to the NBA, only to be told by Brian Windy about conditioning 😂
It's a mixed bag. Luka's numbers look impressive but the splits to get them were awful. Splits of 47/29/59 averaging 5 turnovers a game is horribly inefficient and the fact he did trust Kyrie to help him speaks of his inability to lead a team.
Look at the numbers he averaged. How did that tarnish his legacy???? Bringing up his conditioning or things he needs to work on is irrelevant to the question.
Shaq was out of shape his ENTIRE carrer. That didn't tarnish his career or how he's seen at all. They say he "could" have been better... But they never use it to tarnish his career.
He's the worst defender I've ever seen make it to an NBA Finals and often stood at half-court watching the Celtics so he could creep back on offense. He was a turnover machine with 23 turnovers across the series and shot 58% from the free throw line. Unlike other superstars, his averages went down during the finals, not up, with his points dropping 4, his assists dropping 4, and his rebounds dropping by 1. He had 1 assist in game 1, 8 turnovers in game 2 (7 in game 5), and played defense so bad in game 3 that even the announcers were shocked to see it in a finals. By game 5, he looked like a 50 year-old man with high blood pressure just struggling to stay on the court.
He's out of shape. He's a liability on defense (what good does it do to get 33 points on the offensive end if you give up 14 on turnovers and 20 with bad defense?). And most of all, he had all the heart of a kid anxious to get home and eat more cake. If he wants a ring, he'll have to work on his mental toughness, hustle, and most of all, he'll have to use some of that $40 million salary to get a gym membership and dietician. Most of all, he needs to learn how to fire up his teammates and affect the game away from the ball. It's really nice to hurl up 29 in a game, but even when you don't have the ball in your hands, you have to create shots for your teammates, and he's too slow to do that (think Jordan wrecking the court even away from the ball or Shaq creating diversions for Bryant and vice versa).
I can't believe the Mavs made it through the west. They were not even remotely close to the best team in it, and it showed in the finals. I doubt they'll be back next year, and Irving is in decline.
Dallas lost when Finley took that beer from Luka 😂😂😂😂
They weren’t even supposed to be there. It will not tarnish his career.
Kudos to Luka getting his team to the finals. Him and his team were just outplayed. 2 stars in his team vs. 7 certified in Boston.
Outsmarted by the most Moneyball coach of the league playing total basketball with a stone cold face praising the big guy in the sky.
I'm hoping his organisation hunkers down and really goes over the entire finals series with a fine toothed comb and comes up with new strategies to really work themselves into a better position for next year.
This era is crazy. It’s Ws and Ls. Right now Luka is 0-1 in finals. Yes it hurt him legacy wise. When he wins he’ll be 1-1. That will help is legacy.
His image is crying to the refs everytime he misses a shot, so no his image stands
Stephen A talking about Luka's shape when there's literally an elephant in the room...
Luka led the whole playoffs in total pts,rbnds,asts and this is there best argument about his image possibly being tarnished????? What they should be bringing up is how the role players completely forgot how to play in the finals nobody showed up but Luka not even Ky except for game 3, theres only so much 1 player can do without help
Yea maybe Luka could lose 15 more pounds, maybe put on a little muscle
But by no means is his image tarnished. He’s gotten better every year. He takes every criticism and gets better. The league is put on notice. He is going to be even better next year and that’s scary to think
Luka plays the most minutes with so many injuries, still carrying on offense and you expect he play full strength defensively?
Luka got multiple injuries in the start of playoffs but he kept on playing till the end. Destroying CLIPPERS, OKC, TIMBERWOLVES superstars. Remember they're playing against an INJURED, BEATEN DOWN and a very TIRED man... Give man a credit
No excuses for Luka, he was running around and playing the same as always.. he pushes off all the time on each possession and they never call moving screen on the mavericks at all… Luka gets away with murder all the time and cries foul too much
everyone pushes off. if you don't see that for yourself. then maybe find a different sport
Worse finals I’ve ever seen!
All I hear is a bunch of excuses