Wow so many people turned up to see how Fire was doing, even went far as putting her name on their vehicles. Yes she's doing OK, thanks for the dedicated support for Fire. She's glad you came.
Nothing to do with the subject, but wasn't that a good old Routemaster I saw, decked out in Platinum Jubilee decor??!! Wonderful to see it back on the London streets!
I thought this was about the fire brigade attending a fire. Indeed, whilst I saw quite a few fire engines and ambulances, at times it looked more like an impromptu London Motor Show for expensive vehicles.
If it had been a normal building it would probably only been a couple of pumps .........but cos it was a pub and beer was at stake , they sent as many pumps as were available 😅
I think the author got over excited by the amount of smoke,and called this a massive fire ,as our firework bonfire was bigger than that in our back garden, Smoke always appears far worse once you put water on it
Wth are the police doing? In my opinion they should be clearing the area for people/shut the area down to make room for the firefighters. And why are nobody making room for the emergency vehicles. Do people know how to operate their cars in the UK? Complete chaos 🤦♂️
@@sayedhossain2582 ah that explains why 20 busses 40 lorrys and 200 taxies were on the road all the time... closing down the road = ZERO vehicles other than the emergency vehicles, they should have blocked all entrances to the area and guide traffic around it so it was completely clear for the emergency vehicles and then get rid of all those pedestrians trying to get themselves killed under firetrucks while paying zero attention
@@LiLBitsDK that square connects several major roads, seeing some 70,000 vehicles per day; They shut down as much as they had to and as little as they could
@@EnjoyFirefighting apparently shutting down nothing seemed to not work since there were so many cars and busses blocking the emergency vehicles constantly as seen in the video. and who cares if it is 1.000.000 vehicles a day.... a fire > some dude in a car... they can go around and arrive a little later... emergency vehicles arriving "later" because of lazy people can be deadly to victims and if the fire spreads which can happen in densely populated areas like this
@@LiLBitsDK maybe because it wouldn't be wise to shut down all roads to THE most important square for road traffic in the city? Maybe it would give a little more room on scene, but the traffic in the entire area would collapse and by that making the response of further emergency vehicles (both to this incident and other incidents) even more difficult, leading to further delays of the apparatus struggling to get through traffic. I had such a traffic collapse over on my city once; Instead of taking 20 minutes to get back to the station, it took 4.5 hrs
when i was little, my dream was to become a firefighter. i live in cologne, germany. if i had been born in london or lived there as a child i probably would never have thought of becoming a firefighter. that's completely crazy... i think when the firefighters in london get to the scene, they already have fought the hardest battle. btw. 6:40 BOSS MOVE!
I'd like to know just where the responders managed to park all those appliances even close to the pub on fire? Not to mention all the "unmarked senior officers cars"? Seriously, with those overloaded streets, it should have been impossible!
With the insane London traffic. I'm surprised they have not yet installed any traffic pre emption devices on their emergency vehicles and traffic lights. ( opticoms ) help get the traffic moving to clear the intersection for the apparatus .
Or use police motorbikes as outriders closing junctions and clearing routes like they do in Paris and the Netheerlands. OOPPS my bad, mentioning EU countries that do things properly.
They are pretty tied up with some serious incidents! At one point I think ~90 of the on duty engines were at a fire at some place in London. Any idea if they've called back off-duty fire fighters? I heard they declared a major incident citywide
Well the brigade has 142 pumps and up to 104 were all out at one point. Bloody mental. In some incidents that are on county borders, those county brigades assist LFB. Such as Surrey FRS and Essex FRS
The LFB fleet is actually quite uniform by the standards of other fire services, with just 1 type of pumping appliance, and each type of specialist appliance type built to the same design, with most of the appliances built on a Mercedes chassis. The answer to your question lies in Ruislip, West London where there is an enormous workshop with a huge fleets team.
Way too many senior officers in their single occupant cars clogging up the scene & not enough police directing non emergency vehicles away from the area. A total cluster fuck! 🙄😢
What do you suggest LFB do? Spend precious hours sending a minibus round to the officers homes to collect them from all over London to reduce the number of cars on scene?
@@thepymes Question to the contrary: Why do LFB *need* that many officers with their own car on scene? You need one officer for every "platoon" (or whatever you call this 2 quads and a ladder config), but they can ride on one of the three rigs. Then you need incident command, safety and maybe 2 or 3 sector commands. I'll even give you one additional for CBRN possibilities. And a further one to coordinate with ambulance. So the abolute maximum of single car officers you should need at such a scene is somewhere around seven. And why most of them are civilian with itty bitty lights is completly beyond understanding for me. Why does LFB need undercover/unmarked cars?!? Also, the communication/cooperation with the met police should be examined, because it is their job to keep the incident area clear and not have this kind of traffic flow directly along an incident.
@@QemeH 1. UK Fire & Rescue Services don't have "platoons" or "rigs". That's for US Fire Departments to cosplay being in the military... 2. They're not "undercover" cars. They are the officers own cars, aquired through either the Essential Car User Scheme (ECUS) or Lease Car Scheme (hence the different makes/models of cars). As personal cars they have temporary light beacons to be used when they are mobilised and not when they are en route to the family holiday. 3. This incident was first reported at 1749 and was "made up" to a 20 pump fire (125 firefighters). The PDA for 16+ Pump fires includes: 6x Station Managers, 3x Group Managers, 1x FSO, 1x DAC and 1x AC (IC). The senior officers (GMs, DACs, AC and some SMs) will have responded from non-operational locations (Union Street, Merton, Borough Council meetings, on way home, etc) and therefore wouldn't "ride on" an appliance. 4. The footage isn't the actual fire ground. It's just the best vantage point from which to film emergency services in that part of London. The Admiralty pub is on the other side of the block. 5. If you knew anything about London, you'd know that the Trafalgar Square roundabout is arguably the most congested but important intersections in the capital so closing off too many routes would instantly cause gridlock across the area further hampering the arrival of additional appliances. Even so, the fire ground itself was closed off (Spring Gardens plus the bottom end of The Mall and Cockspur). 6. No one was seriously injured in this incident (3 minor) and an old historic building in central London was saved (fire was confined to the basement) whilst other residents in the block were unaffected - including the Ugandan High Commission. p.s. The red police car at 3:06 is from the Met's Protection Command as the immediate area contains Buckingham Palace, 10 Downing Street, Houses of Parliament, UK Ministry of Defence, UK Foreign Office plus a lot of Embassies/High Commissions...
@@QemeH 1) Those guys are coming from all over London, all 600 odd sq miles of it. How long do you expect a truck to wait at s station for 2/3 of them to turn up. It could be waiting for hours. And it’s got a crew on board - all seats taken. 2) The cars are unmarked as they’re the officers’ own vehicles, kitted out with concealed blue lights, a magnetic battery one for the roof, a siren, and comms equipment. 3) Some will have been called from their homes as off duty, or at meetings gods know where, but they won’t have been together in one place. 4) No-one knows for any one incident how many will be needed, where, to do what, or when. It’s a little difficult to plan for that sort of thing. You can have protocols, but that’s it. If there was a better way, do you not think they’d have worked it out by now?
I guess all those unmarked cars like Audi Q3, Audi A3, Mercedes A class, BMW X1 or Volvo XC40 are firefighters private cars equipped with lights and sirens in case of emergency?
A great example of the pointlessness of the crazy 'battenburg' livery of fire trucks. For high conspicuity a vehicle needs one colour for the entire vehicle. The appliances are patches of red, yellow, black, and random signage that has the effect of breaking up the outline and appearance of the vehicle, making it less conspicuous. Synchronized flashing lights compound the problem. All that stands out is a patch of yellow moving through traffic, particularly in lower visibility conditions. We know that bright colours have temporal priority in the visual system (ie they are seen and registered first by the brain), but in patches drivers have to apply more mental effort to interpret the scene, establish distance and direction, assess action needed, then decide how to move. Is this a patch of yellow? Is it attached to something larger than itself? Is it a vehicle or a road sign? What is it? I better look carefully to try to figure it out. In dense traffic even worse where the whole scene is patches of random colours that are discontinuous and in constant motion.
Science doesn't agree. The pattern was a result of Police Scientific Development Branch research in the 1990's and of all the patterns trialled had the best overall results. Perfect? No, as no one scheme could be the best against every single aspect of the research outcome criteria, but still good. Red & Yellow isn't as good as blue & yellow in testing and the red background doesn't help, which is why for many years one Scottish Brigade pre nationalisation had white fire engines with red & yellow battenburg which worked better. In low light the material is high intensity reflective (not the cheap engineering grade) and is highly visible in vehicle headlights
2 questions: How many pumps responded to this incident? And do they REALLY need all those high ranking officers in attendance, or can’t an intermediate level officer (whoever would correspond to a battalion chief in the USA) be in command of a major incident?
The officers arriving will vary in rank from Station Commander (In charge of a single station) to Deputy Commissioner (Deputy Chief) so a range of ranks to perform a range of roles such as tactical advisors, sector commanders, monitoring officers etc
"How many units do you need?" -"Yes" En daar heb je lang gestaan om dit alles te filmen! Als laatste ben ik stomverbaasd dat ze zoveel wagens daar kwijt kunnen zonder dat alles een zooitje wordt.
Most of the engines seemed to be just parked up, why so many cars and vans, I counted 5 command vehicles, was it a day out? What were the police doing, should there not have been some traffic management?
You cant shut Trafalgar square, it's the meeting point of too many major roads; better to let it flow so every other major road in the area doesn't become clogged.
Let me guess the cause of fire? Kitchen fire where no one cleans the canopy grease filters? Iam a kitchen porter myself and it's part of health and safety that the filters are cleaned every week. This prevents fires from happening. 9 times out of 10 it's always the kitchen that catches fire
No. Private cars cannot have sirens and lights fitted. If you look at the number plates, they also have lights on the edges. These are fire brigade vehicles.
@@Backs4more You absolutely can have your private vehicle fitted with blue lights, response capable managers are used by all 3 services and have their private vehicles fitted with blue lights if they fit criteria.
@@Cherubrmy The vehicle is leased to/for that person via the organisation they work for and must be registered as an emergency vehicle. They must also be suitably trained. They can use that vehicle for day to day personal use, but it is not a “private vehicle”.
So noticing the differences between those LFB trucks and an American-style pumper engine...are those LFB rigs capable of pumping water from a hydrant? I don't see any valves or inlets/outlets like you see on the sides of an American pumper. Unless they're hidden behind some of the roll-up doors? I notice they're a good bit smaller than our ones over here in the States, which would make sense for London traffic.
Yes, they can get water from multiple sources, inlets and outlets are hidden behind the doors. The size of the trucks makes sense for Europe, not just for the UK. Don't let the size of the trucks fool you, they are very capable of their job.
@@Peregrine101 Thanks for the reply, that makes perfect sense. I saw a Stavros video after this where he got to do a walkaround and actually drive an Irish Scania appliance and saw where the pump controls were behind the door on the back (instead of on the sides as on American engines). I was really impressed how incredibly efficiently the space was used to store everything.
Seems to me that they are more interested in showing off their vehicles with blue lights and sirens than they are about maybe throwing some water on the fire. Just how many posh cars do they need to put out a fire?
The senior officers use these vehicles, they are personal vehicles as they do not ride on the appliances. What they're doing has no effect on water delivery + they are a critical part of managing the incident. Buying a fleet of boring marked vehicles is so they dont look 'flashy' is a waste of time and money/
All the officer cars are their personal vehicles decked out with blues. They can make use of the company lease scheme but it's the same sort of scheme you get at any other large company, so they're not necessarily out of the budget.
As usual it's all over the top, there were fires raging all over the county last weekend, you wouldn't have know as the fires in London were the only concern for the news channels
@@anmlrsqnj apart from quite a few departments in the states using hi-lo sirens, wail and yelp sirens are very common across Europe and are used in a greater variety than in the states
The senior officers use these vehicles, they are personal vehicles as they do not ride on the appliances. What they're doing has no effect on water delivery + they are a critical part of managing the incident. Buying a fleet of boring marked vehicles is so they dont look 'flashy' is a waste of time and money/
Because there is more officers in the brigade than seats on an appliance - every department in the world carries senior officers in separate vehicles, the 'show-off' cars are paid for by the officers salary.
What's up with all those unmarked vehicles? What's the policy / strategy behind this? Wouldn't like 3 to 5 marked and appropiately staffed cars suffice? It looks like every senior officer went for a field trip and not like a pre-planned response by one of the biggest fire departments in Europe. Also, are those privately owned vehicles? Or does LFB just posses about any make/type of vehicle?
@@MaH112 Each pumping appliance will have 4-6 people onboard, each officer will be by themselves. They are critical in managing the incident and all play a separate important role.
Where’s Those unmarked fire officer cars parked? Does the officer take the car home when he/she is off duty or are the cars parked at the station with the rest of the appliances? Just curious. Mega video btw
@@minidriversouthsweden5137 They aren't parked at Shoreditch; Only officers who are staying there (as it has sleeping quarters for officers who live far away) park there. The cars are officers personal vehicles so will go home with them, or wherever the officer stays.
@@QemeH It is likely that a higher level of response turns out for a more high risk area, more populated area, near royal grounds, and older buildings which may be more vulnerable.
What's up with all these private unmarked cars racing to the fire? How many people does it take to deal with a fire? I thought it was fire brigade's job!!!
@@1122Schiedam How ridiculous. All these people have to get paid. Probably costs millions and millions of pounds to run London fire Brigade. I have never seen anything stupid like this anywhere in the world. We emigrated from the Uk over 20 years ago and I have heard that London has become a totally dumb woke place but not to this extent.
No it isn't... this is a proportionate response to a fire in a large basement + ground floor requiring lots of oxygen cylinders (hence the number of pumps and OSUs) in a challenging location, posing the threat of smoke damage to underground facilities associated with downing street. You have 0 idea what you're talking about.
If it wasn't for the grenfell tower tradegy, the response would of been smaller. I think any building fire triggers a 8 pump repsone and a officer automatically, then more if a officer requests.
@@kevinwake8789 There are diplomatic missions near to the location of the fire (The Admiralty Pub); there's the South African High Commission, Ugandan High Commission and the High Commission of Canada in the United Kingdom. This will be why you saw the Met's PDPG van turn up, and most likely what elicited such a large response by all the crews who attended.
@@kevinwake8789 There are pre-determined attendances but none that require 8 pumps straight away, not for a pub certainly. Someone said basement fire so might be why made up to more pumps.
Outside of London the fire spread risk and risk to life would likely be different. Buildings like this may have multiple basements, which are an absolute b*stard to get down to and get out of. Risk to personnel is substantial, and breathing apparatus doesn't last long when you're having to go down through the heat - so you need replacement crews to continue the attack. That's one factor causing the large turnout. Old or historic buildings can have centuries-old construction which can cause unpredictable fire spread to multiple floors and/or areas. If that fire was 'persons reported' then multiply the complexity and risk. Being a pub, the basement may have a lot of gas cylinders in the basement. That takes some working out. The responders are having to strategically place aerial and pumping appliances (you'll see the turntable ladder in a pumping appliance sandwich when they first arrive from Soho - that's deliberate, to get the TL where it needs to be, as once the stabilising legs are down it ain't moving. Once a pump is plugged into a hydrant, it's fixed too. Another is comms and control when the fire is potentially being attacked from multiple angles on different streets. There's a lot of strategy going on here, and no-one has the perfect view. Leadership, coordination and comms are highly skilled roles.
The cars aren't intended to go 'off road' - but sometimes it's the only way. Can you imagine the safety risk in central London? Horses for courses. In more rural areas a 4x4 is probably more appropriate.
@@1122Schiedam still inefficient and in a city like london they should have a response force ON DUTY and pay them for that this solution is just... well poor
You're right of course. But it's part of the U.K. persona to over-react (particularly after a full morning playing ludo) except of course when criminal sentencing occurs, when everyone is forgiven and blessed.
British Fire appliances are standardised so any fire fighter can get any tool and it should be in the same place as any other vehicle even if the truck is not from same area, Same for ambulances.
@@slyfoxyandalifesaver Wrong, appliances are not standardised across the country at all, if you put an LFB firefighter infront of an appliance from Manchester, they'd have no idea where most of the equipment is. Same with ambulances.
@@888ssss let them buy whatever they want to, everyone has different needs for their car(s). They might take a station wagon, compact van, family van ... I drive a 7 seater SUV but I would neither like to have nor could I afford a BMW or Mercedes of that size. However there are cars from BMW and Mercedes which are definetly cheaper than mine, but they will be more compact and have a more basic trim level then. Just look at the fire trucks and ambulances: Mercedes-Benz all over the place. Because Mercedes doesn't automatically mean that it's luxury
Wow so many people turned up to see how Fire was doing, even went far as putting her name on their vehicles. Yes she's doing OK, thanks for the dedicated support for Fire. She's glad you came.
Nothing to do with the subject, but wasn't that a good old Routemaster I saw, decked out in Platinum Jubilee decor??!! Wonderful to see it back on the London streets!
I thought this was about the fire brigade attending a fire. Indeed, whilst I saw quite a few fire engines and ambulances, at times it looked more like an impromptu London Motor Show for expensive vehicles.
well kind of obvious when this channel aims at recording emergency vehicles and the scene itself is probably shut down for pedestrian traffic
It is! You want KFC to open a beer and chicken Bar?
LFB officers use their personal vehicles to respond to fires, most of which are quite flashy.
If it had been a normal building it would probably only been a couple of pumps .........but cos it was a pub and beer was at stake , they sent as many pumps as were available 😅
There is a no more tragic sight than a blazing Pub.
0:12 Look there is a lot of smoke
07:48 Is it a BMW i3?
Yes it is
I think the author got over excited by the amount of smoke,and called this a massive fire ,as our firework bonfire was bigger than that in our back garden, Smoke always appears far worse once you put water on it
Wth are the police doing? In my opinion they should be clearing the area for people/shut the area down to make room for the firefighters. And why are nobody making room for the emergency vehicles. Do people know how to operate their cars in the UK? Complete chaos 🤦♂️
They did close the road.
@@sayedhossain2582 ah that explains why 20 busses 40 lorrys and 200 taxies were on the road all the time... closing down the road = ZERO vehicles other than the emergency vehicles, they should have blocked all entrances to the area and guide traffic around it so it was completely clear for the emergency vehicles and then get rid of all those pedestrians trying to get themselves killed under firetrucks while paying zero attention
@@LiLBitsDK that square connects several major roads, seeing some 70,000 vehicles per day; They shut down as much as they had to and as little as they could
@@EnjoyFirefighting apparently shutting down nothing seemed to not work since there were so many cars and busses blocking the emergency vehicles constantly as seen in the video. and who cares if it is 1.000.000 vehicles a day.... a fire > some dude in a car... they can go around and arrive a little later... emergency vehicles arriving "later" because of lazy people can be deadly to victims and if the fire spreads which can happen in densely populated areas like this
@@LiLBitsDK maybe because it wouldn't be wise to shut down all roads to THE most important square for road traffic in the city? Maybe it would give a little more room on scene, but the traffic in the entire area would collapse and by that making the response of further emergency vehicles (both to this incident and other incidents) even more difficult, leading to further delays of the apparatus struggling to get through traffic.
I had such a traffic collapse over on my city once; Instead of taking 20 minutes to get back to the station, it took 4.5 hrs
when i was little, my dream was to become a firefighter.
i live in cologne, germany.
if i had been born in london or lived there as a child i probably would never have thought of becoming a firefighter.
that's completely crazy...
i think when the firefighters in london get to the scene, they already have fought the hardest battle.
btw. 6:40 BOSS MOVE!
That's crazy, so many trucks.
The biggest fire I've filmed at was 30 trucks.
Just subscribed.
I'd like to know just where the responders managed to park all those appliances even close to the pub on fire? Not to mention all the "unmarked senior officers cars"? Seriously, with those overloaded streets, it should have been impossible!
Nice footage Jordy! I'm coming to NL in September so perhaps see you then!
Nice! Really cool. ;)
North London? I live in North London.
@@sayedhossain2582 Netherlands..
With the insane London traffic. I'm surprised they have not yet installed any traffic pre emption devices on their emergency vehicles and traffic lights. ( opticoms ) help get the traffic moving to clear the intersection for the apparatus .
Or use police motorbikes as outriders closing junctions and clearing routes like they do in Paris and the Netheerlands. OOPPS my bad, mentioning EU countries that do things properly.
@@Demun1649 my response is the same for the op and your comment, UK ain't got the money or leadership for that sadly lol
I understood some towns and cities in the UK do allow emergency services to prempt the traffic lights.
@@Orcaben1 and in most videos that I watch, fire trucks go straight (or turn left) while the light is still red at the intersection
Shame Johnson closed so many fire stations when Mayor of London. Criminal really
Excellent catch
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They are pretty tied up with some serious incidents! At one point I think ~90 of the on duty engines were at a fire at some place in London. Any idea if they've called back off-duty fire fighters? I heard they declared a major incident citywide
This one was a few days ago. Though some of the stuff they’ve been attending today I can understand their Major Incident declaration.
Well the brigade has 142 pumps and up to 104 were all out at one point. Bloody mental. In some incidents that are on county borders, those county brigades assist LFB. Such as Surrey FRS and Essex FRS
Due to the hotness
@@sayedhossain2582 HEAT.
How do they maintain such a diverse fleet?
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The LFB fleet is actually quite uniform by the standards of other fire services, with just 1 type of pumping appliance, and each type of specialist appliance type built to the same design, with most of the appliances built on a Mercedes chassis. The answer to your question lies in Ruislip, West London where there is an enormous workshop with a huge fleets team.
Way too many senior officers in their single occupant cars clogging up the scene & not enough police directing non emergency vehicles away from the area. A total cluster fuck! 🙄😢
What do you suggest LFB do? Spend precious hours sending a minibus round to the officers homes to collect them from all over London to reduce the number of cars on scene?
@@thepymes Question to the contrary: Why do LFB *need* that many officers with their own car on scene?
You need one officer for every "platoon" (or whatever you call this 2 quads and a ladder config), but they can ride on one of the three rigs.
Then you need incident command, safety and maybe 2 or 3 sector commands. I'll even give you one additional for CBRN possibilities. And a further one to coordinate with ambulance.
So the abolute maximum of single car officers you should need at such a scene is somewhere around seven. And why most of them are civilian with itty bitty lights is completly beyond understanding for me. Why does LFB need undercover/unmarked cars?!?
Also, the communication/cooperation with the met police should be examined, because it is their job to keep the incident area clear and not have this kind of traffic flow directly along an incident.
@@QemeH 1. UK Fire & Rescue Services don't have "platoons" or "rigs". That's for US Fire Departments to cosplay being in the military... 2. They're not "undercover" cars. They are the officers own cars, aquired through either the Essential Car User Scheme (ECUS) or Lease Car Scheme (hence the different makes/models of cars). As personal cars they have temporary light beacons to be used when they are mobilised and not when they are en route to the family holiday. 3. This incident was first reported at 1749 and was "made up" to a 20 pump fire (125 firefighters). The PDA for 16+ Pump fires includes: 6x Station Managers, 3x Group Managers, 1x FSO, 1x DAC and 1x AC (IC). The senior officers (GMs, DACs, AC and some SMs) will have responded from non-operational locations (Union Street, Merton, Borough Council meetings, on way home, etc) and therefore wouldn't "ride on" an appliance. 4. The footage isn't the actual fire ground. It's just the best vantage point from which to film emergency services in that part of London. The Admiralty pub is on the other side of the block. 5. If you knew anything about London, you'd know that the Trafalgar Square roundabout is arguably the most congested but important intersections in the capital so closing off too many routes would instantly cause gridlock across the area further hampering the arrival of additional appliances. Even so, the fire ground itself was closed off (Spring Gardens plus the bottom end of The Mall and Cockspur). 6. No one was seriously injured in this incident (3 minor) and an old historic building in central London was saved (fire was confined to the basement) whilst other residents in the block were unaffected - including the Ugandan High Commission. p.s. The red police car at 3:06 is from the Met's Protection Command as the immediate area contains Buckingham Palace, 10 Downing Street, Houses of Parliament, UK Ministry of Defence, UK Foreign Office plus a lot of Embassies/High Commissions...
@@QemeH 1) Those guys are coming from all over London, all 600 odd sq miles of it. How long do you expect a truck to wait at s station for 2/3 of them to turn up. It could be waiting for hours. And it’s got a crew on board - all seats taken.
2) The cars are unmarked as they’re the officers’ own vehicles, kitted out with concealed blue lights, a magnetic battery one for the roof, a siren, and comms equipment.
3) Some will have been called from their homes as off duty, or at meetings gods know where, but they won’t have been together in one place.
4) No-one knows for any one incident how many will be needed, where, to do what, or when. It’s a little difficult to plan for that sort of thing. You can have protocols, but that’s it. If there was a better way, do you not think they’d have worked it out by now?
@@QemeH Wrong country mate. We do it right here in the UK instead of the ego trip that the US has.
What's with the under-cover plain-clothes stealth fire vehicles?
These are Fire Officers from the LFB.
Personal vehicles from LFB.
Great work everyone .!'
Great video, shame other spotters kept getting in the way though
I walked past it on a school trip, probably about 2 days before it burnt down.
Hello, what camera do you use ?
Panasonic HC-V770 ;)
@@1122Schiedam OK thank you !
Did the pub bbq go out in time
I guess all those unmarked cars like Audi Q3, Audi A3, Mercedes A class, BMW X1 or Volvo XC40 are firefighters private cars equipped with lights and sirens in case of emergency?
Yes you're right!
Yes, but only senior Officers. Normal firefighters do not respond in their own personal vehicles and cannot have blue lights or sirens fitted.
nice video
Wow beautiful truck London fire brigade
Who is in those unmarked cars? There's so many of them which is highly ineffective, especially in such crowded places.
These are Fire officers
London traffic needs help, this video clearly shows how bad things have become.
um yeah probably because there was an massive road block ahead
How come there was no actual footage of the fire ?!
Because the police blocked the road.
A great example of the pointlessness of the crazy 'battenburg' livery of fire trucks. For high conspicuity a vehicle needs one colour for the entire vehicle. The appliances are patches of red, yellow, black, and random signage that has the effect of breaking up the outline and appearance of the vehicle, making it less conspicuous. Synchronized flashing lights compound the problem. All that stands out is a patch of yellow moving through traffic, particularly in lower visibility conditions. We know that bright colours have temporal priority in the visual system (ie they are seen and registered first by the brain), but in patches drivers have to apply more mental effort to interpret the scene, establish distance and direction, assess action needed, then decide how to move. Is this a patch of yellow? Is it attached to something larger than itself? Is it a vehicle or a road sign? What is it? I better look carefully to try to figure it out. In dense traffic even worse where the whole scene is patches of random colours that are discontinuous and in constant motion.
Science doesn't agree. The pattern was a result of Police Scientific Development Branch research in the 1990's and of all the patterns trialled had the best overall results. Perfect? No, as no one scheme could be the best against every single aspect of the research outcome criteria, but still good. Red & Yellow isn't as good as blue & yellow in testing and the red background doesn't help, which is why for many years one Scottish Brigade pre nationalisation had white fire engines with red & yellow battenburg which worked better. In low light the material is high intensity reflective (not the cheap engineering grade) and is highly visible in vehicle headlights
2 questions: How many pumps responded to this incident? And do they REALLY need all those high ranking officers in attendance, or can’t an intermediate level officer (whoever would correspond to a battalion chief in the USA) be in command of a major incident?
This was a 20 Pump Fire. So 20 pumps attented to the fire
@@1122Schiedam thanks!
The officers arriving will vary in rank from Station Commander (In charge of a single station) to Deputy Commissioner (Deputy Chief) so a range of ranks to perform a range of roles such as tactical advisors, sector commanders, monitoring officers etc
Did every officer in the LFB get called to this?? So many different cars arriving….
It depends on how big the fire is.
The London traffic is a nightmare to emergency responders that they literally drive through the roundabout. 😮😮
"How many units do you need?" -"Yes"
En daar heb je lang gestaan om dit alles te filmen!
Als laatste ben ik stomverbaasd dat ze zoveel wagens daar kwijt kunnen zonder dat alles een zooitje wordt.
Netjes maat! Echt niet normaal hoe veel!😂💪🏻💪🏻
Whats with all the civil cars that responded, can somebody please explain? Thanks guys
Those are unmarked fire brigade command cars.
Most of the engines seemed to be just parked up, why so many cars and vans, I counted 5 command vehicles, was it a day out?
What were the police doing, should there not have been some traffic management?
You cant shut Trafalgar square, it's the meeting point of too many major roads; better to let it flow so every other major road in the area doesn't become clogged.
Was this an accident or was this deliberate?
Let me guess the cause of fire? Kitchen fire where no one cleans the canopy grease filters? Iam a kitchen porter myself and it's part of health and safety that the filters are cleaned every week. This prevents fires from happening. 9 times out of 10 it's always the kitchen that catches fire
All those fade outs are so distracting. Straight cuts would have been a lot better.
uff nice!
This video shows extremely clearly, far too many chiefs in the Fire Service.
Gave video Jordy!
Damn, them Audis do be fire tho
why didnt they clear the roadways all around the buildings so all the emergency crews could get tto the building without fighting so much traffic?
If they closed roads around here, all the surrounding traffic would be backed up making the problem worse. Best just to let things flow.
So many civil cars with blue lights. Where are this? So many volunteers???
These are unmarked Fire officer cars.
@@1122Schiedam So many? What does a Fire Officer?
Are the single unmarked cars their private vehicles?
Yes , unmarked Fire officers.
No. Private cars cannot have sirens and lights fitted. If you look at the number plates, they also have lights on the edges. These are fire brigade vehicles.
@@Backs4more Hmmm makes sense, those are some fancy response vehicles haha
@@Backs4more You absolutely can have your private vehicle fitted with blue lights, response capable managers are used by all 3 services and have their private vehicles fitted with blue lights if they fit criteria.
@@Cherubrmy The vehicle is leased to/for that person via the organisation they work for and must be registered as an emergency vehicle. They must also be suitably trained. They can use that vehicle for day to day personal use, but it is not a “private vehicle”.
So noticing the differences between those LFB trucks and an American-style pumper engine...are those LFB rigs capable of pumping water from a hydrant? I don't see any valves or inlets/outlets like you see on the sides of an American pumper. Unless they're hidden behind some of the roll-up doors? I notice they're a good bit smaller than our ones over here in the States, which would make sense for London traffic.
Yes, they can get water from multiple sources, inlets and outlets are hidden behind the doors. The size of the trucks makes sense for Europe, not just for the UK. Don't let the size of the trucks fool you, they are very capable of their job.
@@Peregrine101 Thanks for the reply, that makes perfect sense. I saw a Stavros video after this where he got to do a walkaround and actually drive an Irish Scania appliance and saw where the pump controls were behind the door on the back (instead of on the sides as on American engines). I was really impressed how incredibly efficiently the space was used to store everything.
Treft Ie weer , is ie in Londen vangt ff zon incident! Strak gefilmd!
Seems to me that they are more interested in showing off their vehicles with blue lights and sirens than they are about maybe throwing some water on the fire. Just how many posh cars do they need to put out a fire?
The senior officers use these vehicles, they are personal vehicles as they do not ride on the appliances. What they're doing has no effect on water delivery + they are a critical part of managing the incident. Buying a fleet of boring marked vehicles is so they dont look 'flashy' is a waste of time and money/
Oh no not the PUB! No wonder there was a panic.
In each vehicle only one person. 🤔 Not very efficient. Maybe they are much faster with bicycles.
So many unmarked fire cars and all very new. Wish they had the budget like that in other areas. In my area they still run an S reg fire truck
Wheres that? SW?
@@LondonEmergency999 SE
All the officer cars are their personal vehicles decked out with blues. They can make use of the company lease scheme but it's the same sort of scheme you get at any other large company, so they're not necessarily out of the budget.
Hey man great video just asking what caused the fire if you know?
I have no idea , it's started in the basement
You've been lied to a lot in your life if you think that's Massive
As usual it's all over the top, there were fires raging all over the county last weekend, you wouldn't have know as the fires in London were the only concern for the news channels
Make that 'Massive Response' in the title instead...imagine if there had been -two- smoldering cigarette butts!
Great to hear normal sirens in the UK.
What is "normal"?
@@MauriceBln1 anything other than the dee doo dee doo (hi-low) that is used. We don't use that in the States.
@@anmlrsqnj But that doesn't make the other sirens abnormal. 😂
@@anmlrsqnj apart from quite a few departments in the states using hi-lo sirens, wail and yelp sirens are very common across Europe and are used in a greater variety than in the states
@@anmlrsqnj Two tones are far more effective. Search for North Wales Fire & Rescue Service.
Is this new police siren ?
No , these are unmarked fire officers.
Some people have no idea get out of are way 🙄
Is this one of those spontaneous building fires caused by the hot weather. Oh! hang on, it's not that hot today!
3:03 i tought it was a ford bronco😂
Notice how the London Fire Brigades Officers ‘Blue Light’ private cars get posher and posher as the incident continues?🙂🧐👍
The senior officers use these vehicles, they are personal vehicles as they do not ride on the appliances. What they're doing has no effect on water delivery + they are a critical part of managing the incident. Buying a fleet of boring marked vehicles is so they dont look 'flashy' is a waste of time and money/
Why so many fire officers drive their own show-off cars and not sitting in a pump or ladder to rush to the scene?
Because there is more officers in the brigade than seats on an appliance - every department in the world carries senior officers in separate vehicles, the 'show-off' cars are paid for by the officers salary.
Yes matey, they are good at fining you if your car isn't young enough for the greenies, but anything else is fucked.
What's up with all those unmarked vehicles? What's the policy / strategy behind this? Wouldn't like 3 to 5 marked and appropiately staffed cars suffice? It looks like every senior officer went for a field trip and not like a pre-planned response by one of the biggest fire departments in Europe.
Also, are those privately owned vehicles? Or does LFB just posses about any make/type of vehicle?
These are unmarked LFB officers. And i think this are there private cars.
@@1122Schiedam what's the officer to firefighter ratio then at that scene?
@@MaH112 I thought every officer has his one specialism at a fire.
@@1122Schiedam I'm not too familiar with LFB, but there are at least a dozen senior officers in the video. I was just wondering...
@@MaH112 Each pumping appliance will have 4-6 people onboard, each officer will be by themselves. They are critical in managing the incident and all play a separate important role.
Wow mass confusion! Fora moment I thought i was in new york !!
Where’s Those unmarked fire officer cars parked? Does the officer take the car home when he/she is off duty or are the cars parked at the station with the rest of the appliances? Just curious. Mega video btw
No they are parked at Shoreditch fire station during the night
@@1122Schiedam okay thanks for the info.
@@1122Schiedam I dont know if its different in London but up in the North they take cars home with them. Talking group / area managers fwiw.
@@minidriversouthsweden5137 They aren't parked at Shoreditch; Only officers who are staying there (as it has sleeping quarters for officers who live far away) park there. The cars are officers personal vehicles so will go home with them, or wherever the officer stays.
@@LondonEmergency999 oh okay that’s convenient. Thanks for your reply and the information
The entire fire department showed up
No it didn't. This was a 20 pump fire - just 14% of the total number of London Fire Brigade pump appliances available.
@@thepymes 20 units is still a lot for a basement fire...
@@QemeH It is likely that a higher level of response turns out for a more high risk area, more populated area, near royal grounds, and older buildings which may be more vulnerable.
Who are all these unmarked cars??
Unmarked Fire Officer Cars
Fires are so exciting. I'm a professional arsonist and love my job. unfortunately we only deal with controlled fires at my work.
You can always "work" after hours, mate xD
yes there are some who have to fire engine up in thier but bro get the little tin Mann up an running
When u need to bring all departments on your city for a massive fire be like;
Twisted Fire starter
Netjes maat!
What's up with all these private unmarked cars racing to the fire? How many people does it take to deal with a fire? I thought it was fire brigade's job!!!
Every officer has his one task at a fire. That's why the're so many officers.
@@1122Schiedam How ridiculous. All these people have to get paid. Probably costs millions and millions of pounds to run London fire Brigade. I have never seen anything stupid like this anywhere in the world. We emigrated from the Uk over 20 years ago and I have heard that London has become a totally dumb woke place but not to this extent.
jebus there is alot of people that arrived for a fire
That is WAY over the top. Hope there wasn't another fire somewhere else.
No it isn't... this is a proportionate response to a fire in a large basement + ground floor requiring lots of oxygen cylinders (hence the number of pumps and OSUs) in a challenging location, posing the threat of smoke damage to underground facilities associated with downing street. You have 0 idea what you're talking about.
Mooie👍🏻👌🏻
Why are there so many unmarked cars?
These are all unmarked fire officers cars.
@@1122Schiedam never seen them in Europe, seems like a typical British thing, very interesting tho
@@lucacarraro5300 you see them in e.g. Germany as well, usually higher ranked city or county fire chiefs, EMS chiefs etc
That’s a lot of blue light for a pub fire 🤨
If it wasn't for the grenfell tower tradegy, the response would of been smaller.
I think any building fire triggers a 8 pump repsone and a officer automatically, then more if a officer requests.
@@kevinwake8789 There are diplomatic missions near to the location of the fire (The Admiralty Pub); there's the South African High Commission, Ugandan High Commission and the High Commission of Canada in the United Kingdom. This will be why you saw the Met's PDPG van turn up, and most likely what elicited such a large response by all the crews who attended.
@@eddief32 no? the met pdpg van was trying to block traffic for the pump trying to come through.
@@rapstninja That was a coincidence.
@@kevinwake8789 There are pre-determined attendances but none that require 8 pumps straight away, not for a pub certainly. Someone said basement fire so might be why made up to more pumps.
All this and it's just some bloke having a BBQ on the roof.
My dad was the one in the car at 7:50 heh 🙈
Wonder why a DPG van was there suprised HART wasen't there
HART was on scene , but they came by the other way so we didn't caught them
@@1122Schiedam Oh
Outside of London that would have been prob dealt with by 4 pumps and one or two managers and a couple of police cars
Outside of London the fire spread risk and risk to life would likely be different. Buildings like this may have multiple basements, which are an absolute b*stard to get down to and get out of. Risk to personnel is substantial, and breathing apparatus doesn't last long when you're having to go down through the heat - so you need replacement crews to continue the attack. That's one factor causing the large turnout.
Old or historic buildings can have centuries-old construction which can cause unpredictable fire spread to multiple floors and/or areas. If that fire was 'persons reported' then multiply the complexity and risk.
Being a pub, the basement may have a lot of gas cylinders in the basement. That takes some working out.
The responders are having to strategically place aerial and pumping appliances (you'll see the turntable ladder in a pumping appliance sandwich when they first arrive from Soho - that's deliberate, to get the TL where it needs to be, as once the stabilising legs are down it ain't moving. Once a pump is plugged into a hydrant, it's fixed too.
Another is comms and control when the fire is potentially being attacked from multiple angles on different streets. There's a lot of strategy going on here, and no-one has the perfect view. Leadership, coordination and comms are highly skilled roles.
i guess the London Police are too busy sipping tea and and eating crumpits to do their job and clear traffic.
They were clearing traffic.
Talk about over kill for just a pub fire... wonder how many weren't actually attending the pub but to go to someone's BBQ that causing the wildfires?
All the expensive luxury cars they've got; they should have basic capable vehicles that are at least ready to go over a curb.
like which vehicles do you think of? And as long as it's their private vehicle, shall we really judge what they should drive or shouldn't drive?
The cars aren't intended to go 'off road' - but sometimes it's the only way. Can you imagine the safety risk in central London? Horses for courses. In more rural areas a 4x4 is probably more appropriate.
Zeer mooi
Interesting show of off duty or perhaps volunteer firefighters showing up in their personal vehicles equipped with blue lights and a siren.
This cars al specially for the Fire Officers :-)
Техники очень много а толку по моему очень мало.
I hope now buddy is dai and i hoppe it woas Not Match work fore the firefighter
Thats this woat my breain sae
Nice offiers cars
Netjes!
Muistakaa pitää yleis kunnosta kiinni ja Yrittäkää pysyä terveenä .
How many are there O.o
btw. every police officer by his own separate car… this is insane!
This are not police cars.. They are unmarked Fire officers. ;)
@@1122Schiedam oh okay my mistake
@@1122Schiedam still inefficient and in a city like london they should have a response force ON DUTY and pay them for that this solution is just... well poor
@@LiLBitsDK They are on duty! Those cars are senior fire officers, responding from all over the city.
You're right of course. But it's part of the U.K. persona to over-react (particularly after a full morning playing ludo) except of course when criminal sentencing occurs, when everyone is forgiven and blessed.
London fire engines look the same
Yes, standardised equipment, is that unusual?
British Fire appliances are standardised so any fire fighter can get any tool and it should be in the same place as any other vehicle even if the truck is not from same area, Same for ambulances.
@@slyfoxyandalifesaver Wrong, appliances are not standardised across the country at all, if you put an LFB firefighter infront of an appliance from Manchester, they'd have no idea where most of the equipment is. Same with ambulances.
since when did a fireman be able to afford a mercedes ?
why not? It's a plain normal car like any other car as well?!
@@EnjoyFirefighting a 17k dacia duster would have been just fine.
@@888ssss instead of their already existing private vehicle or as additional car, which wouldn't be cost effective no matter how cheap it was
@@EnjoyFirefighting eotherway, i dont see that they feel a need to budget. whats the best car ? mercedes, right we will take it....lol
@@888ssss let them buy whatever they want to, everyone has different needs for their car(s). They might take a station wagon, compact van, family van ... I drive a 7 seater SUV but I would neither like to have nor could I afford a BMW or Mercedes of that size. However there are cars from BMW and Mercedes which are definetly cheaper than mine, but they will be more compact and have a more basic trim level then.
Just look at the fire trucks and ambulances: Mercedes-Benz all over the place. Because Mercedes doesn't automatically mean that it's luxury
Zeer nette maatje
Hoping no one was hurt