One useful application would be communicating with your game cams/security cams across a larger property, where you wouldn't want to bury miles of wires but the same time want to be independent from the internet.
you should also add that Hong Kong protesters used this mesh network to communicate with each other when the Chinese government restricted their internet usage.
I work on youth camps in the middle of the outback (Australia) and this would be an awesome idea to set up a communications network just for the camp so all the staff can keep in touch locally.
This is very interesting. A while back I was thinking of making a small mesh network with a couple of RPi's to connect some of my friends together. It would be really cool if we could connect our whole town through these types of networks.
That spinning sound is slightly annoying when used so repetitively as this. Could you use another one or space it out a bit? The old "blob" sound was alot less anoying
My original idea back in college was to hoard routers, pass them among my neighbors in emergency events, get apache or ftp installed on whatever computers needed it, then get the routers connected to eachother. Thing is, I'm not sure how I would work out inter-router things. And even if I could.... everyone in my neighborhood is older than dinosaur poop :/
DarkBallYE - Zero G Random Can I find you during an apocalypse situation. Resourceful thinking is a lost art in this day and age. You wouldn't happen to live near Florida, United States would you?
Florida is the last place you wanna be in an apocalypse... Florida would be the worst place because it has a shit load of Arms running(more dangerous people are likely to exploit your resourcefulness). The main demographic would be OLD people, so no help or collaboration anytime soon. The weather is humid in summer(overheating). Your best bet would be Colorado or Utah.
No sir, im convinced im cut off from reality and the internet is here to trick me cause it’s literally one thing that magically connects everything through nothing with infinite power yet no copy cats and no attempts to copy it so I believe there’s more but we can’t communicate
One interesting thing that was glanced over a bit: Internet doesn't mean wireless! While it's impractical on any large scale to wire a connection to many people, this video seems to mainly be discussing local scale internet anyway. You can eliminate many of the roadblocks which these systems encounter (and albeit introduce a few new ones), while also making your connection faster and more stable just by using wires instead of wireless. I fact, if you have numerous cell phone devices, you can connect them all to a computer and enable data sharing via usb. This super simple 'plug and play' option can essentially turn the desktop (or other non-mobile os system) into a server. You can load data from one phone to the computer, and then the computer to the phone. This is the same concept as the internet, and can be done without installing any extra software (at least for windows users, Idk about mac/linux).
Great tutorial! In Hungary, at us, government wanted to implement tax on the internet. If that had happened I would have wanted to create a kind of new internet with my friends or something. Or before I got my first smartphone, I looked for tutorials how can I share internet connection via Bluetooth. I ended up writing two J2ME apps to send source code to my previous phone. It was very slow took minutes to transfer a few words. These are my experiences with creating my own network
Michael The Reaper Slayer a j2me app is an app that runs on the Java Mobile OS (for cell phones) J2ME used to be popular with very low end phones. In the USA, many Tracphone branded cell phones run on J2ME.
+Sakii csatornája I'm computer illiterate but I'm hoping to do so because for real situations even the darknet shouldn't be trusted. I'm currently learning Linux in its pure form, do I need networking languages like PHP? I already know java.
Thank you so very much for making this video. This is information that should be much more widely circulated and you presented it in a manner accessible even to those among us who are not code monkeys.
This is the most interesting video I've come across in some time. I was curious if it was even possible to create my own network for an idea I had. This is very cool stuff
In short yes. But it depends on how large you want to go. You should look up pirate box DIY make your own network for sharing information cheap and is a lot of fun.
You would only need lots of Routers, Switches, Cables, WiFi Sticks Servers and Clients. In some way, if you disconnect your ISP router from the Internet, you have your own "internet". Get your neighbors to share it with you, host some websites, and it works.
Exactly, kinda defeating the point of a private network, I have some spare laptops which are in working condition and I'm wondering if i did this how could it be useful
if you are an amateur radio operator there is the BroadbandHamnet and Aredn projects. The advantage is, in most counties, amateur radio operators can use much higher effective radiated power on the frequencies their license allows (like the lower portion of 2.4 GHz).
"What if the Internet was taken over by the government?" The government is just a bunch of companies in a trench coat. "The Internet is now owned by various companies..." SEE?!
I don't doubt you for a second Tinkernut but how do you know all this stuff? Thanks for all the info and excellent graphics to reinforce it. I sure am glad I stumbled onto your channel.
i think the best way to archieve a good mesh network is by making alternative firmware for wireless routers (like dd-wrt), so they all connect to each other relaying information, this would only work in densly populated area's ofcourse... i wonder if something like this already exists, i would imediatly set up a network with my friends in the neightborhood. (sorry for bad english :D)
I'm mostly curious if something happens that cooks all electronics like a solar flare or global emp bursts during our upcoming world War, could there be a way to recover any of what's on the internet or are we starting from scratch building the network, interface, websites etc.?
Why not just do this: 1. Take some routers and turn them all except one into network repeaters 2. Now connect some repeaters to that 3. Now connect some repeaters to each of them 4. Repeat step 3 until it fits you P.S This will not make your own internet, but an intranet
The whole point of the internet is to send and receive data from all over the world.. I really don't think an intranet can span very far, but good idea nonetheless.
***** *1. Take some routers and turn them all except one into network repeaters* The one router that isn't a network repeater is the one that is collecting the data.
What if a group of folks, for whatever reason (maybe govt), had to have an absolutely secure inter-network system? Could a dedicated inter-network be built for them that would be 99.9999% safe & unhackable?
Governments have already succeeded in commandeering the Internet in various nations around the world. Some already have replaced the World Wide with their own for purpose of complete and absolute control. Here in the US, after years of battle to prevent it, the government has just succeeded in getting it's foot in the door guaranteeing the approaching loss of the open and free Internet we've mostly enjoyed up until now.
So which should I do if I wanted to create my own home mesh network. We have about 20 devices just in our house. Could I use something like this? And would it give good speeds?
This was pretty inspiring cause I am all about FREE information - free from charge, monitoring, advertisement mining, etc. Good call on this video and I look forward to viewing more of your videos.
i was planing to make something like the last example. we all use wifi nowadays so everyone could just buy access points (which are inexpensive) and connect to each other without the need of internet. free "internet" for no cost (other than the gear that you will buy for connecting to it in the beginning)
If the world where to end (for example super volcano at yellowstone errupting) and you survived. the internet would be one of the most important things as you most likely would not know how to hunt animals for food, make the dead animal edibal, or turn the fur into warm clothing to survive the mega cold winter the volcanic ash leaves upon you, where as a simple google search unlocks every single thing you'd need or want to know about almost anything!
Thing is, If the internet as you say did spontaneously disappear, we wouldn't have your video as a resource for building a new internet. So, Unless people acted on this now, Its pretty useless. As a hypothetical question though, Its a great response =)
Good point and the answer is people can download and for the foreseeable future store this very video and many others which is what we should be doing while we can right now so it can be re uploaded to another network or shared locally at any point when this internet we know is gone.
These mesh networks just need a lot more people using them to really get traction...I guess they would work in urban places like NYC, but not in suburbs or rural areas
Good idea :) but what exactly is the difference between mesh and p2p? Those BitTorrent apps (Sync, Blink, Maelstrom, ...) appear to me like a private network too.
can someone tell me how far the distance between user or Pcs can be to comunicate ? Or still will need the current telephone lines ANtena to transmit each other??
The internet is just a Network of interconnected networks and sub-nets where protocol for packet forwarding makes this system addressable. All you can do is build onto the network, the internet isn't a thing you make its the result of what was made from a world wide perspective.
This is needed now more than ever. The corporations are taking over and working with the government. That is called corporatism, and by Mussolini's definition it is Fascism.
Can't you sneakily make an app everyone loves but have it connected to a mesh network that way the more people that download it the closer you get to making your own internet
So basically to even get it started you still need an ISP provider. Without a base device having internet access, you cannot create a mesh network. If I am wrong in this, please explain because I still confused as to how you just start from scratch without needing an ISP provider. In Cuba they use mesh networks to communicate, but someone (a base person/device/or starting point/origin) has access to internet. Thank you for the video.
When my brother was a child he peeled telephones cable and attach his telephones cables on them and he managed to listen to telephones called through his telephone
I'm not so sure about intERnet, but intRAnet you could. Granted, you'd be confined to your own physical location instead of being miles and miles away from each other.
Thanks for the video but there was a point you made at the beginning where you stated “ the internet can bring us such beauty and also such ignorance” but I also noticed how u left out 1 of its main purpose which is providing knowledge or more so info. Let’s be thankful for all else we can do w/ it but humanity has to learn to think for themselves instead of being a follower
im not much of a tech head so sorry if this sounds dumd but what im understanding is this is mostly used for commuunications how does one make it so that one can access things like google or maybe thats a whole diffrent thing?
I've always been fascinated with living off grid with modern conveniences but I never thought about creating a grid off the grid
One useful application would be communicating with your game cams/security cams across a larger property, where you wouldn't want to bury miles of wires but the same time want to be independent from the internet.
you should also add that Hong Kong protesters used this mesh network to communicate with each other when the Chinese government restricted their internet usage.
THATS SO BADASS!
+Matt at least i wasnt a protester and i didnt know that happened
commotiononly for three electronic 3:20 =3:40
You can't even do anything google-linked in china... Why??
Matt iiiii
I work on youth camps in the middle of the outback (Australia) and this would be an awesome idea to set up a communications network just for the camp so all the staff can keep in touch locally.
This is very interesting. A while back I was thinking of making a small mesh network with a couple of RPi's to connect some of my friends together. It would be really cool if we could connect our whole town through these types of networks.
It may make us reach out to our neighbors more... win win
@@Seaseahawks57 true
Bro can you
Tell me or dm me on discord. I want to know you guys made it
my type of internet is running ethernet connections round the house, imagine connecting an ethernet cable to your next door neighbour!
sorry ethernet cables and humans don't mix very well
+Michael Flatman that's kind of how telephone lines work
+alexs123 you tho lol
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I think they do this in Cuba and people have made their own vast intranet (not internet)!
That spinning sound is slightly annoying when used so repetitively as this. Could you use another one or space it out a bit? The old "blob" sound was alot less anoying
Noted. Thanks for the feedback!
Tinkernut No problem! I only wish for the show to be as good as possible! ^^
Davixxa I went through 7 different sound effects before settling on this one...but to be honest, I'm not happy with it either.
Tinkernut Understandable, by the way. Where do you find your sound effects? I'm personally having a hard time finding good ones xD
Davixxa freesound(dot)org and freesfx(dot)co(dot)uk
This is litterally one of the coolest things I have ever heard! I have to try it out now!
My original idea back in college was to hoard routers, pass them among my neighbors in emergency events, get apache or ftp installed on whatever computers needed it, then get the routers connected to eachother. Thing is, I'm not sure how I would work out inter-router things. And even if I could.... everyone in my neighborhood is older than dinosaur poop :/
DarkBallYE - Zero G Random Can I find you during an apocalypse situation. Resourceful thinking is a lost art in this day and age. You wouldn't happen to live near Florida, United States would you?
Florida is the last place you wanna be in an apocalypse...
Florida would be the worst place because it has a shit load of Arms running(more dangerous people are likely to exploit your resourcefulness). The main demographic would be OLD people, so no help or collaboration anytime soon. The weather is humid in summer(overheating).
Your best bet would be Colorado or Utah.
who's here because of your internet is bad?
👋
I only have my phones data :/
No sir, im convinced im cut off from reality and the internet is here to trick me cause it’s literally one thing that magically connects everything through nothing with infinite power yet no copy cats and no attempts to copy it so I believe there’s more but we can’t communicate
✋
Im here wondering if apocalypse breaks out having internet would be world saving, all human knowledge is online
One interesting thing that was glanced over a bit:
Internet doesn't mean wireless! While it's impractical on any large scale to wire a connection to many people, this video seems to mainly be discussing local scale internet anyway. You can eliminate many of the roadblocks which these systems encounter (and albeit introduce a few new ones), while also making your connection faster and more stable just by using wires instead of wireless.
I fact, if you have numerous cell phone devices, you can connect them all to a computer and enable data sharing via usb. This super simple 'plug and play' option can essentially turn the desktop (or other non-mobile os system) into a server. You can load data from one phone to the computer, and then the computer to the phone. This is the same concept as the internet, and can be done without installing any extra software (at least for windows users, Idk about mac/linux).
Great tutorial!
In Hungary, at us, government wanted to implement tax on the internet. If that had happened I would have wanted to create a kind of new internet with my friends or something. Or before I got my first smartphone, I looked for tutorials how can I share internet connection via Bluetooth. I ended up writing two J2ME apps to send source code to my previous phone. It was very slow took minutes to transfer a few words.
These are my experiences with creating my own network
Sakii csatornája That's awesome! Great job!
What's a J2ME app?
Michael The Reaper Slayer a j2me app is an app that runs on the Java Mobile OS (for cell phones) J2ME used to be popular with very low end phones. In the USA, many Tracphone branded cell phones run on J2ME.
David Giles Thanks bro.
+Sakii csatornája I'm computer illiterate but I'm hoping to do so because for real situations even the darknet shouldn't be trusted. I'm currently learning Linux in its pure form, do I need networking languages like PHP? I already know java.
Bro your video should blow up in the next month.
Rezonite here from the future to confirm
Confirmed.
There is so much i want to do, i have finally received my Raspberrypi, thanks for so many nice tutorials! Keep up the good work :D
This is needed now
Thank you so very much for making this video. This is information that should be much more widely circulated and you presented it in a manner accessible even to those among us who are not code monkeys.
I downloaded a backup of this video just because I know I'll need it one day.
Looking forward to your Raspberry Pi CJDNS tutorial!
This is the most interesting video I've come across in some time. I was curious if it was even possible to create my own network for an idea I had. This is very cool stuff
Who else is here because of Net Neutrality?
Skrubzy, same LOL! Gotta make my own internet :/
Yeah we need to know this shit just incase
*raises hand* just in case
me . i need a new source of porn. thinks to agite pai
Lets make it and have blackjack and hookers
In short yes. But it depends on how large you want to go. You should look up pirate box DIY make your own network for sharing information cheap and is a lot of fun.
Lghtng2 I've got that listed as another video to do :-)
Where you able to create anyone?
@@Tinkernut what
Awesome episode! I would like to see MORE of this, instead of some motion activated trash cans, halloween stuff and mind controlled things.
I love it .... I wish all internet users around the world see this video.
This is a freedom type of Internet usage.
You would only need lots of Routers, Switches, Cables, WiFi Sticks Servers and Clients. In some way, if you disconnect your ISP router from the Internet, you have your own "internet". Get your neighbors to share it with you, host some websites, and it works.
but then theres no way to connect to those sites like facebook which everyone spends about 99% of their internet time on
Rishad Manecksha Because then you would have to connect back to the internet.
Exactly, kinda defeating the point of a private network, I have some spare laptops which are in working condition and I'm wondering if i did this how could it be useful
Rishad Manecksha Hosting a webserver for all your multimedia. But then, you could also just connect it to your local network...
We shouldve been doing this already. Soon its going to be too late.
if you are an amateur radio operator there is the BroadbandHamnet and Aredn projects. The advantage is, in most counties, amateur radio operators can use much higher effective radiated power on the frequencies their license allows (like the lower portion of 2.4 GHz).
Idk how I ended up here but… nice job. Good video my dude.
"What if the Internet was taken over by the government?"
The government is just a bunch of companies in a trench coat.
"The Internet is now owned by various companies..."
SEE?!
Description: What if internet went away?
2017: Net Neutrality isn’t going to be repelled- uwu
Casky’s Art and stuff. They also changing cell phone to broadband, this also means that this will longer work. Look it up, he is fucking up America
Meme Central yes I did
"if you have an android phone..."
(uses iphone picture)
Unless you have an Android device and remember the nightmare apple was back in the 80's so refuse to ever trust them again like me lol.
(looks closely at home button)
hey, nice pfp, ill sub to you
Fuck this is 4 yrs old
Lol
PROPER TITLE: How to make a MESH NETWORK
This went right over my head for the most part lol I need an "internet for dummies" tutorial
I don't doubt you for a second Tinkernut but how do you know all this stuff?
Thanks for all the info and excellent graphics to reinforce it.
I sure am glad I stumbled onto your channel.
Clearly you were not born before the Internet Era, I was.
Internet or No Internet, LIFE GOES ON.
“A worldwide mesh-local-Network known as the Hyperborea”
TNO Hyperborea music plays in background
You're like vsauce but for computer nerds haha love it
i think the best way to archieve a good mesh network is by making alternative firmware for wireless routers (like dd-wrt), so they all connect to each other relaying information, this would only work in densly populated area's ofcourse...
i wonder if something like this already exists, i would imediatly set up a network with my friends in the neightborhood.
(sorry for bad english :D)
I'm mostly curious if something happens that cooks all electronics like a solar flare or global emp bursts during our upcoming world War, could there be a way to recover any of what's on the internet or are we starting from scratch building the network, interface, websites etc.?
How would you use something like this to get internet access in a remote place somewhere without Existing Internet or cell service?
I'm wondering, can I use it to connect to the current network without pay to those few monopoly companies?
@@TaigiTWeseFormosanDiplomat that's what i wanna know. Is that possible?
I need to know this
Did anyone find the answer to this?
Why not just do this:
1. Take some routers and turn them all except one into network repeaters
2. Now connect some repeaters to that
3. Now connect some repeaters to each of them
4. Repeat step 3 until it fits you
P.S This will not make your own internet, but an intranet
The whole point of the internet is to send and receive data from all over the world.. I really don't think an intranet can span very far, but good idea nonetheless.
***** Which data?
Jordan O'C Thx
I know. Different people made different stuff on the internet, they also have to on a intranet
Why?
*****
*1. Take some routers and turn them all except one into network repeaters*
The one router that isn't a network repeater is the one that is collecting the data.
Could you make a Linux, Mac, Windows, and Andrioid tutorial for Project Meshnet?
Thanks we need this now
Love this channel. Can't believe I haven't found it earlier.
What if a group of folks, for whatever reason (maybe govt), had to have an absolutely secure inter-network system? Could a dedicated inter-network be built for them that would be 99.9999% safe & unhackable?
Yea bro they will control it and censor but for them its not
Maidsafe is in development as an intranet that rides ontop the current one. Similar to other projects you pointed out.
Ok bro dm me pls I will send the discord link
There's a very interesting project callef Guifi that has achieved to make a quite significant network.
That's pretty awesome! Thanks!
Governments have already succeeded in commandeering the Internet in various nations around the world. Some already have replaced the World Wide with their own for purpose of complete and absolute control. Here in the US, after years of battle to prevent it, the government has just succeeded in getting it's foot in the door guaranteeing the approaching loss of the open and free Internet we've mostly enjoyed up until now.
So which should I do if I wanted to create my own home mesh network. We have about 20 devices just in our house. Could I use something like this? And would it give good speeds?
Awesome video dude! You really deserve more subs! Keep up the great work!
I've got 2 spare DSL routers after we switched to cable, so I suppose I could try using commotion project
Hey thank you, this is all very valuable information that’s not wide spread! I really appreciate it!
This was pretty inspiring cause I am all about FREE information - free from charge, monitoring, advertisement mining, etc.
Good call on this video and I look forward to viewing more of your videos.
i was planing to make something like the last example. we all use wifi nowadays so everyone could just buy access points (which are inexpensive) and connect to each other without the need of internet. free "internet" for no cost (other than the gear that you will buy for connecting to it in the beginning)
Wow, Tinkernut,I learned so much from this video, and it was Hugh quality! Thanks Tinkernut
If the world where to end (for example super volcano at yellowstone errupting) and you survived. the internet would be one of the most important things as you most likely would not know how to hunt animals for food, make the dead animal edibal, or turn the fur into warm clothing to survive the mega cold winter the volcanic ash leaves upon you, where as a simple google search unlocks every single thing you'd need or want to know about almost anything!
Jazzysquaz
na humans have learned that once and can do it again without google, if you would end up as the only alive survival instinct would kick in
Thing is, If the internet as you say did spontaneously disappear, we wouldn't have your video as a resource for building a new internet. So, Unless people acted on this now, Its pretty useless.
As a hypothetical question though, Its a great response =)
Good point and the answer is people can download and for the foreseeable future store this very video and many others which is what we should be doing while we can right now so it can be re uploaded to another network or shared locally at any point when this internet we know is gone.
***** yeah its right, but even if they had the videos, they'd not be able to download the apps
I definitely need to get my videos on the darknet somehow. Maybe once I setup my Raspberry Pi CJDNS node, I can add a tinkernut site :-)
Tinkernut
It would be awesome to get a really in depth look at TOR...I play around with it but it sometimes but it seems like I'm missing something
Tinkernut nycmesh.net/meshberry/
These mesh networks just need a lot more people using them to really get traction...I guess they would work in urban places like NYC, but not in suburbs or rural areas
Good idea :) but what exactly is the difference between mesh and p2p? Those BitTorrent apps (Sync, Blink, Maelstrom, ...) appear to me like a private network too.
Ham radio, has the potential to become the "internet" with little to no infrastructure in between
can someone tell me how far the distance between user or Pcs can be to comunicate ? Or still will need the current telephone lines ANtena to transmit each other??
I’ve always wanted to know if it has been done. A small community intranet. VoIP, iptv, etc.
What a tb to your channel use to be a subscriber and try a bunch of your videos!
The internet is just a Network of interconnected networks and sub-nets where protocol for packet forwarding makes this system addressable. All you can do is build onto the network, the internet isn't a thing you make its the result of what was made from a world wide perspective.
This might be a stupid question but how is this different from Bluetooth?
Stark had to study this before creating the Stark Network
this is very useful thanks
Who's here because the net neutrality voting happening soon?
Nate Brown your not the only one
I am from Brazil, but if net neutrality is destroyed in USA, the same will happen in Brazil
meh
It already happened!
Nate Brown we’re saved
What's the music you use in your videos?
0:40 well that just basically happened
Brad Woods the Fcc :(
This is needed now more than ever. The corporations are taking over and working with the government. That is called corporatism, and by Mussolini's definition it is Fascism.
This looks like a good way to make a type of supercomputer out of phones.
Can't you sneakily make an app everyone loves but have it connected to a mesh network that way the more people that download it the closer you get to making your own internet
2018 squad where you at?!?
Most of these rely on some kind of network that already exists D: , I mean how do you connect to those devices without internet or nearby range?
No new videos
Please upload
Fan of your work
Thank you for the lesson love the information I’ve learned in such a small time
So basically to even get it started you still need an ISP provider. Without a base device having internet access, you cannot create a mesh network. If I am wrong in this, please explain because I still confused as to how you just start from scratch without needing an ISP provider. In Cuba they use mesh networks to communicate, but someone (a base person/device/or starting point/origin) has access to internet. Thank you for the video.
meshnet no windows, so basicly not using most of the worlds computers operating systems, good job
When my brother was a child he peeled telephones cable and attach his telephones cables on them and he managed to listen to telephones called through his telephone
Raspberry Pi meshnet video still in the works? would love to see it
So, no meshnet for windows?. I find that odd.
TheExileFox would a vm work?
@@TavishMcEwen In theory it should
Wow very well made and thought out video!
It gets crazier when hosts on a mesh network have nested environments.
I forgot about this channel holy cow
Could you do that through a raspberry pi, to make a server, and watch the "Web Controlled Spybot" trough your internet? Please answer.
"..securely connect to each other through wifi or bluetooth.."
That one made me laugh. Much funny. Very humor.
Seth Mitchell I'm not sure why encrypted connections are funny.
Tinkernut i think it has something to do with intercourse, but i cant tell either
yay tinkernut! going to make my own NAS from an old computer tomorrow
Great vid! Thanx, & keep up the good work!
Anyone else feel like this is one of those fallout 4 cartoon how to survive videos
Just a heads up the Open Green software is no longer offered its only FireChat
Great video, enjoyed the info
I'm not so sure about intERnet, but intRAnet you could. Granted, you'd be confined to your own physical location instead of being miles and miles away from each other.
I did not understand all of what he said but what I did was brilliant u r a genius
But still the physical layer is needed for any protocol which only the isp's can provide.
Soumit Biswas The physical layer is the actual hardware. You can just buy them on amazon. You con't have to get them from your ISP.
Good idea. This makes me think of intranets.
Thanks for the video but there was a point you made at the beginning where you stated “ the internet can bring us such beauty and also such ignorance” but I also noticed how u left out 1 of its main purpose which is providing knowledge or more so info. Let’s be thankful for all else we can do w/ it but humanity has to learn to think for themselves instead of being a follower
You'd need a shitload of BGP routers with about 700.000 different routes.
im not much of a tech head so sorry if this sounds dumd but what im understanding is this is mostly used for commuunications how does one make it so that one can access things like google or maybe thats a whole diffrent thing?
nice video, you provide me with multiple alternative, thanks.
so how to you download open garden?
I guess I have a lot to learn.