I bought the Airdyne. Do not under estimate the variable hand grips on the handlebars. Each of the 3 grips work different muscles - during a workout, I DO change grips and really notice the difference. The Scwinnn may not be over-built, but it has a smaller footprint, which is valuable for a home gym. Either one will kick your cardio up a notch.
@@bmp713 new owner here. I’d compare it to a window/box fan set to high on sustained 75% effort. I hesitate to call it loud, it’s just like a dense white/pink noise. Max effort could probably be heard through an apartment wall but the verbal groaning from the workout will be louder, ha.
@@bmp713 standing up is a yes, no issues. Edit: it’s noticeable but not bothersome from an adjacent room at what I’d call moderate pace. It will drown out tv noise for sure. The small footprint and excellent workout far outweigh the whooshing sound.
This video was unbelievably helpful.. I was so close to getting the airdyne and ended up going with the Echo after seeing how much quieter the Echo was on this video. The airdyne display looks fancy but didn’t even think about the fact that the phone holder for the rogue allows you to actually see the phone while you train.. THANKS FOR THIS VIDEO!
My first air bike experience was at the gym on an Airdyne Pro. I liked it. When I was outfitting my home gym, all I could get was a used Assault Bike classic while I was waiting for the Echo bike to be available. Luckily, I was able to get an Echo Bike within a month of getting the Assault Bike classic, which I then sold. They all work, and they will all give you what you put into it. My personal preference is the Echo, then AD Pro and then AB classic. The Echo fits my 6'3 frame better, it's quieter, smoother and the monitor rocks. The Echo counts calories slower and doesn't allow ghost riding. The AD Pro is comparable to the Echo, but isn't as stable, counts calories quicker and doesn't feel as solidly built as the Echo, and is more suitable for shorter riders. The AB classic is more old school, and is better suited for higher rpm intervals IMO, and is noisier and feels lightweight by comparison. They will all kick your butt, and will give you a great workout.
I almost bought the Schwinn today, thinking it was the best of the best, decided to check out some reviews and I'm so glad I did... Looks like I'll be ordering the echo!! Thank you.
Here is a response direct from Rogue regarding users height range for the Echo aka The Devils Tricycle - The inseam on this bike is for 27-38", so generally about 5ft 2 and taller, but can vary on the individual
Tim, great review! A few things I'd add after having both as well. The handles are slightly larger on the Echo and they're also further apart. Similarly, the seat is further away (horizontally) from the pedals, even when moved all the way forward. The AD Pro has the added advantage of multiple grip positions. I know you didn't use them, but several of my friends, especially females, liked the different options. If the Echo bike were the only bike I had, I probably wouldn't even notice the small differences, but with the two bikes side-by-side you can definitely tell. As one person put it, you can tell the AD Pro was made by a bike company. I agree about the Echo monitor being cleaner than the Airdyne. If you're doing a workout where the goal is a certain number of calories, the Echo allows you to adjust the calories by single digits down to 10. On the other hand, the AD Pro only adjusts in increments of 25 down to 50. When doing a workout with specified rest intervals, the AD Pro will let you adjust the rest period up to 99 seconds, but the Echo stops at 60 seconds. The Echo's monitor will pause after 7 or 8 seconds of inactivity and can be re-started by hitting the "Start" button. The timer on the AD Pro will keep counting for several minutes after you've stopped, even though it is no longer counting distance, calories, etc. You can manually pause it though by hitting "Stop" as you're getting off the bike. The AD Pro is more generous with its calorie count, but I've found the 1.5x conversion to be accurate when compared to the AB and the Echo. In other words, 10 calories on the Echo bike is equivalent to 15 cals on the AD Pro. The Echo's monitor also shows all your stats (watts, cals, time, RPM, distance, etc.) simultaneously. Neither monitor maintains a history of workouts like you might be used to on the C2 Performance Monitors. I actually liked the pedals on the AD Pro better because they have metal bumps/notches on them that do a better job of gripping your feet, especially during a hard sprint. I actually switched pedals between the two bikes before selling the AD Pro.
Glad you liked it and thanks for the extra info! Regarding the pedals, my Echo bike does have bumps on the pedals so they may have updated them. I've already sold the AD Pro so I can't check myself but from memory (as I say in the video) they pedals did look identical to me other than the color.
Since you've also had (or have) both bikes, which one would you say is best for shorter people? I'm around 5'6" and wondering which one would be most comfortable. Did you notice any difference in the seat adjustment range?
@@timk8258 good review Tim I own a AD PRO but one complaint that alot o people say about the Schwinn AD PRO compared to the rogue or the old Air assault bike model is that the peddling is too heavy because the pro has more fan blades is the peddling a bit easier on the echo bike because the ad pro is like peddling through a mouse trap or quick sand 🤣🤣😂😂 ????
Great review I enjoyed and learned a lot from it. In the U.K. we don’t have them available to test side by side so you have made it easier for me. Echo bike. Thank you
Nice job Tim. Appreciate your time it getting a very common comparison into the public forum. If I was a single guy - Rogue, but to meet the needs of the rest of the family the AD won out. Really it was due to the flexibly of adjustments and handle position.
In this pandemic I am thinking that we may get shut down at any given time. I been busy at work and have let myself go. I do wish to lower my heart rate and lose some weight if possible. I was advised by a fitness instructor to go with a Schwinn, which I had my heart set on. I just had to make to the fitness depot a couple of towns over. I never made it out in time, and at present there is a 4 month back order on it. So I was about to go with an Amstaff, but looked one more time for another quality machine. And I came across the Echo, and looked for Comparison videos. So long story long, The Echo will be delivered in a week.
Thanks for posting the video Tim. I own the Schwinn AD Pro and have used it 5 days / week for a little more than a year. It's decent for what it does however, the long term build quality isn't there (second time I'm having a repair tech come to the house to swap out parts). Your assessment regarding the AD Pro computer is spot on - it appears "aged" and pretty much only use the timer (HR Link doesn't work). I was disappointed to hear that the HR Link doesn't work on the Rogue Echo either. The console of the Rogue appears compact and appears to have similarities to the Concept 2 Rower. I also own several Rogue products and the build quality is definitely there (also the customer service at Rogue is awesome - they definitely stand behind their products. The customer service from Schwinn is "thin.").
What i am trying to figure out is which bike is best for me and my smaller older mother who lives with me. It seems like the AD is smaller yet harder to use at low rpms which is contradictory and the echo larger and easier to use at low rpm.... The echo seems the better choice but i am concerned with the fit for someone 5'3. Feel like im leaning toward the Echo due to the interface, lower noise profile, and slightly lower resistance at low rpms. Thanks for the review.
This was a really good review and perspective on both bikes. I currently own a Schwinn AD6 Bike which I’ll be selling soon. I’ll either be looking to replace it with the Schwinn Airdyne Pro or Rogue’s Echo bike.
My Airdyne lasted 7 years before the rusted out piece if shit stopped working. I had to replace the belt twice, but something started grinding metal on metal and it became impossible to push anymore. There were large stretch where it didn't even get much use.
I went with the AD8 as it’s known in the UK because it has such a small footprint and I have limited space in a small home gym. After almost daily use over the couple of months of ownership I think it’s great. Probably a little behind the Echo bike in terms of build quality but nothing to worry about
So I've been wanting to get an airbike for the longest time at home. Years ago I always liked the airdyne. I almost thought of getting one recently. But the Rogue Echo came into play so I've been doing a ton of research. I'm super glad you did this video. It has definitely helped me look solely at the Echo. I tried both and I think the Echo is going to find a home at our home. Thanks Tim!!!
@@NuLevelsOnly Yes. They had them for about a week in early August. The two pack option had the "notify me" thing but you could add a single one to the cart and check out, snagged one. edit- They're in stock on the Rogue website right now
Thanks for the review. I've had the AD pro for a couple years, I have been thinking about selling and buying the Echo. I think for now I'll just stick with the AD pro.
I ended up buying the Schwinn, and I just wanted to comment on one thing this video mentioned regarding the multiple handle positions of the Schwinn. I think it's a great addition to the bike because let's say once you adjust the seat height, the one handle position of the echo bike is either too high or too low, that wouldn't be great, right? With the Schwinn you get more options and that means it will fit more people, but I also find myself switching during the workouts too, now that I'm getting used to that, I wouldn't want one with a single handle position only. But what sold me to the Schwinn the most is the form factor, I had limited space and the Schwinn is smaller, so it made more sense for me. Thanks again for the review.
my biggest concern with getting one of these is the noise. Is there anything that can be done to reduce the noise? Would putting a blanket over the fan make much of a difference? Is the noise noticeable from the room next door?
Schwinn has such a high resistance from the moment you start to pedal, impossible to have longer cruising rides, its all punishment all the time, awesome for HIIT but nothing else. If you like long rides you will need to get a separate upright/spin bike.
Thanks very much for the very helpful review. I am torn between the 2 bikes but am leaning towards the Echo. That being said, I have a relatively small space and the Airdyne dimensions appear to make the Airdyne Pro bike much more compact L 42, W 20 vs Echo's dimensions of L 59, W 30. Can anyone tell me if the Echo feels that much bigger than the Airdyne? Thank you!!
The Echo is bigger but those dimensions for the Echo are the total width from the farthest point of the seat post (with the seat all the way back) to the frontmost point of the fan, and the full width of the handlebars. I'm pretty sure those measurements on the Airdyne are just for the base of the bike, but it still sticks out farther from that for the fan/seat/handlebars. So while the Echo is larger it's much less difference between the two than those dimensions make it seem. I don't remember exactly but I want to say the actual difference in length is more like 9" and the width was pretty similar, maybe a couple inches narrower on the Airdyne.
Hi. I was wondering if you are able to stand on the echo in like a stair climber? Apparently the Schwinn you can do that without the handle hitting you in the gut. Guys were saying this was a problem on the echo. Thanks
I am trying to decide to buy rogue echo or airdyne ad7. My 13 year old son and I are both 5’2”. I read review somewhere that Echo is not for small person. I wonder anyone here experience any trouble with Echo regarding size issue? Thanks
I just got this bike, I noticed that when the fan is moving and you look at it from the front of the cage , especially when viewing the metal strip that goes around the fan from that gap that is in the middle of the cage, my fan has a bit of a wobble to it? Have you noticed this with yours at all? The metal pieces look uneven a bit as it turns, and the entire fan has a slight wobble, or a flex in mine? It doesn’t seem to effect the normal operation of the bike at all so far, it just looks kinda weird and I was a bit worried if this normal at all?
Sorry, Im talking about the AirDyne. Just wondering if this is normal on these bikes and if anyone else has noticed? I expected the fan to have some flex at higher RPMs, but I was really surprised to see that much wobble/play of the fan at lower speeds. It’s still a beautiful and smooth machine, and so far it does not appear to effect performance at all. I also noticed that the right side crank arm was a bit loose when I got it so I had to remove it and re-seat it and torque it down again.
Surprised you didn't mention if they had any differences in seat adjustment range. This can be very important for people that are very short or very tall. Personally, I'm most curious about which one would be best for shorter people.
Sorry for the oversight! I'm 5'11" so both were comfortable for me and I didn't think about that too much. But from everything I've read, shorter folks sometimes have trouble with the Echo bike. I think if you were very tall, go with the Echo, and if you're quite short the Airdyne would be a safer bet. Since I'm in the middle it's hard to give any kind of accurate cutoff numbers though; if you can't find a way to try them both in person then the next best thing would be to look for reviews that specifically mention fit issues for short or tall people.
That's what I've read too, but it would've been awesome if you had put the seat all the way down (and all the way up) on both bikes and then measured the distance from the top of the seat to the pedals. Anyways...thanks for the video, as well as your comment.
@@sandercohen3309 Yeah definitely wish I would have thought of that. This video was unfortunately a little rushed and filmed late at night because I had someone coming to buy the Airdyne from me the next day. I just measured the distance for the echo bike. In the lowest seat position, it's 29", and in the highest position it's 39.25". That's measuring from where the pedal axle (?) meets the crank arm (with the pedal at the lowest point of travel) to the red stitching on the seat, right at the apex or "corner" of the seat curve (hope that makes sense... basically where your inner thigh contacts the seat). With the seat in the furthest back position, the measurements are 30.5" and 40.75". The actual amount of horizontal adjustment available in the seat is 5". Also the front to back travel of each handle is roughly 21" (little hard to measure but I think that's within 0.5" accuracy). Hopefully someone with an AD Pro or AD7 can measure it and add the info here so we can compare.
@@timk8258 Wow! Thank you so much for such an incredibly detailed and informative response! I didn't expect that. Very useful. Measured my inseam and it's actually right at 29", so the Rogue Echo bike might be pushing it. I don't want my legs to be fully extended when the pedal is at its lowest point, because that's probably not good for the knees. There should be a slight bend and I'm not sure I'll be able to get that with the Echo. Maybe the extra thickness added by wearing shoes will help, but I don't know. Can't exactly return the Echo Bike either if I order it, because of International shipping.
@@sandercohen3309 No problem! It does sound like the Echo might be borderline for you but keep in mind that you want to be pedaling with the ball of your foot so that should theoretically add some extra length on top of your inseam measurement. Maybe if you have a bike you could adjust the seat so it's 29" from the pedal and see how it feels.
Thank you for doing this! I was set on the Schwinn because I automatically thought the Rogue was more expensive. After this video I checked the price and it’s cheaper then the AD7/Pro! Getting the Echo now.
Evan Porter it is sold out everywhere ha ha. I’m waiting for things to come back in stock then get it. Been watching TH-cam videos just to make sure I’m making a good decision. This video has helped a lot. Even though I ride the AD7/Pro 5x/week at the gym. Still might be hard to go with the Echo since I am used to the AD7/Pro. In the end it’s always about what my pockets can handle lol! Have a good one bud!
EzSkAnKeN Ahhh I see, I thought you had an inside scoop on when they will restock lol. I am brand new to the more advanced bikes (still rehabbing torn ACL ) but I have reacted well to the bike. It’s a shame I came late to this realization and that my current bike broke now when all stock in bone dry and people in my area selling the Echo for double price because of demand. Best of luck to you my guy!
They have had loads on rogue Europe site, I just got mine. The guy who works there told me they had over 1000 in stock I just checked out the US site. WOWW you guys have so much more choice than us when it comes to plates and stuff. Good luck
there is a reason that you noticed the airdyne ad 7 was harder to run the same rpms you noticed in the beginning. the echo has 10 fan blaeds and the schwinn ad 7 has 26 fan blades and since the resistance is from the fan blades pushing against the air you have more than 1.5 times the blades pushing the air so it makes sense that it will be harder..
It’s not just the number of blades that matters, it’s also the size... total surface area is what counts. The echo has fewer blades, but they’re larger, so the difference in resistance is less than you would expect based simply on counting the blades.
1 question I’m making a buying decision. I will need to move whichever airbike I end up getting from time to time depending on if I have guests staying over. I’m assuming the AD7 is the way to go right? Because it’s lighter
jaymeez They’re both kind of awkward to move around. The AD7 is 113lbs and the Echo is 127lbs so it’s not a big difference. Personally, I wouldn’t make the decision based on that factor.
Is the sweep in the handlebars greater in the Rogue Echo? I’ve read some complaints that the handlebars moved back too far. Also which bike do you think is better for knee rehabilitation?
I think it's a little longer but I didn't measure it when I had both bikes. I just measured it on the Echo, and the front to back travel of each handle is roughly 21" (little hard to measure but I think that's within 0.5" accuracy). Hopefully someone with an AD Pro or AD7 can measure it and add the info here so we can compare. I can't comment on the knee rehab aspect as I don't have any medical training and I haven't used either one for that purpose myself.
No mention that the phone holder and water bottle holder are standard on the Airdyne? Especially considering you mentioned that you are having to order a holder for your echo bike?
Great review Tim just what i was looking for. I have a question for you or anyone that has experience with both of these bikes. I’m about to purchase one of these bike and I’m in Canada and the airdyne is a lot cheaper $880 vs $1195 for the echo. They rarely come up used where I am and when they due it’s usually almost retail price. My question to anyone that knows both these bike is “ is the echo $300 dollars better than the airdyne. It will be going into a home gym.
If I may... I am also in Canada and bought the Airdyne couple of months ago on Amazon for 849$ plus tax free shipping and, for the price, this is a killer piece of equipment ! I had no issues except a pedal bushing that I had to tighten (inside) and I use it 3-4 days a week up to 45 minutes workout at 80-85% aerobic threshold. I absolutely don’t regret my purchase. It is also in a home gym environment and only me is using it. I agree though for the review on the monitor ; you constantly have to push buttons to see the different features. But, for the rest, absolutely happy with it ! ;-)
@@marcmartineau7858 Thank you very much for your input. I did end up ordering the Airdyne off of amazon yesterday and it should be here on the 5th. Didn't get the $850 price, paid $880. The pricing on the Airdyne is all over the map. In Canada you can get the Airdyne for $880cad($662us) from amazon or $1,827cad($1,375us) from roguecanada. The Echo bike is $1,195cad($899). In the U.S the Airdyne is $799us on amazon or $999us rogue and the Echo bike is $725us. From everything i read and watched they seem very similar. I almost ordered the echo, but I have to admit that me almost doing that was the "look" of the echo bike. In the end i saved over $300 going with the Airdyne plus i was able to try it out at a local store and confirm that i liked it. Plus the warranty on the Airdyne is longer so thats always nice
Sam Cook You won’t regret it. Of course the Eco Bike is most looks sturdier and is most probably made for commercial gym, but for a home gym, the Airdyne is more than enough ! I also like the fact that it has different handles position. When you are use to it, the workout is different depending of where you handle the bars. Neutral feels different than pronated on the top than on the bottom. Heart rate changes depending on where you grab the handles. This is a great acquisition ! I agree for the price ! When I ordered at first, it was at 899.99$. 1 week later, I saw it at 849$ ! My first order was not shipped yet so I called Amazon and canceled my first order, and process the second at 849$, free shipping, which was a great deal ! And I’ve never regretted it since ! (Y) I like the Rogue equipment, but here in Canada, we got stolen with shipping fees ! One advice : take your time to put it together ; especially the handles bar. They are finicky to put in and you don’t want to screw up the grooves. The seat has a tendency to move a bit so don’t be shy to over tighten the screws !
@@samcook15 HI Still happy with the product ? Fast forward to August 2020 and I have the same dilemma . Except they cost the same now. 1200 CAD $ At Best Buy Canada for the Scwinn AD 7 or 1195 CAD $ on the Rogue Canada web site for the Echo bike. Fitness depot has on backorder the Schwinn Airdyne pro for 1288. But I understand the AD7 and the Pro are the same product with different warranties. I would definitely buy like you did the Schwinn for 850-899 but at the same price ( 1200 ) not sure which one is worth purchasing. Maybe the price for the Schwinn will come down eventually to the 900 $ ? Not sure about that either because the demand is too high now. Thanks
For the same price would you still pick the Echo Bike? My understanding is that the Airdyne Pro used to be more expensive, but now I'm able to get it at exactly the same price as the Echo.
Tim, would the Echo work for a taller rider? I'm 6'4" and I am a bit worried that the arm attachments might be too low if i adjust the seat to my height...
I think it should be fine. I normally use it on the 3rd highest seat position (so it could go up two more inches) and I just tried it on the highest position and it seemed fine to me (aside from my feet just barely making contact with the pedals because my legs are too short, lol).
You can, it's not as comfortable as a recumbent bike but it's doable. I take my hands off the handles fairly often for rest intervals and it's no problem, you won't fall off the bike or anything like that. It might help to put the seat a little lower than normal to make it easier to maintain the upright seating position. When using your arms you lean forward more.
I wanted the Echo bike but it's sold out everywhere. Everyone bought it cause it's so good. All you can do is sign up on Rogue for an email notification when it's available. So I went with the Air Assault Classic. May not be as good but I ordered it two days ago and it's already on the way.
Great review, no annoying music, straight to the point, no stupid jokes, and no showing off or bragging. 👍👍👍 And covered all the points of comparison
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Stop throwing shade at garage gym reviews 😆
I bought the Airdyne. Do not under estimate the variable hand grips on the handlebars. Each of the 3 grips work different muscles - during a workout, I DO change grips and really notice the difference. The Scwinnn may not be over-built, but it has a smaller footprint, which is valuable for a home gym. Either one will kick your cardio up a notch.
How loud is the AD7 at steady state threshold speed around 160HR? What sound at all out effort?
Can you hear it through apartment walls?
@@bmp713 new owner here. I’d compare it to a window/box fan set to high on sustained 75% effort. I hesitate to call it loud, it’s just like a dense white/pink noise.
Max effort could probably be heard through an apartment wall but the verbal groaning from the workout will be louder, ha.
@@SRplaysdrums Thank you.
I am also curious can you pedal standing up on these air bikes like with a spin bike?
@@bmp713 standing up is a yes, no issues. Edit: it’s noticeable but not bothersome from an adjacent room at what I’d call moderate pace. It will drown out tv noise for sure. The small footprint and excellent workout far outweigh the whooshing sound.
I agree, the grip positions on the AD give you a much better upper body workout.
I've had my Echo for over a year and it's great. It's built like a tank and it doesn't shake all regardless of how hard you pedal.
How loud is the Echo at steady state threshold speed around 70--80% effort? How about all out?
Can you hear it through apartment walls?
This video was unbelievably helpful.. I was so close to getting the airdyne and ended up going with the Echo after seeing how much quieter the Echo was on this video. The airdyne display looks fancy but didn’t even think about the fact that the phone holder for the rogue allows you to actually see the phone while you train.. THANKS FOR THIS VIDEO!
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Can you hear the Echo through apartment walls at all out effort? How about at 75-85% effort for steady state?
@@bmp713 I don’t think so. It’s all white noise and the bike is super sturdy. It’s like a big fan on high.
My first air bike experience was at the gym on an Airdyne Pro. I liked it. When I was outfitting my home gym, all I could get was a used Assault Bike classic while I was waiting for the Echo bike to be available. Luckily, I was able to get an Echo Bike within a month of getting the Assault Bike classic, which I then sold.
They all work, and they will all give you what you put into it. My personal preference is the Echo, then AD Pro and then AB classic.
The Echo fits my 6'3 frame better, it's quieter, smoother and the monitor rocks. The Echo counts calories slower and doesn't allow ghost riding. The AD Pro is comparable to the Echo, but isn't as stable, counts calories quicker and doesn't feel as solidly built as the Echo, and is more suitable for shorter riders. The AB classic is more old school, and is better suited for higher rpm intervals IMO, and is noisier and feels lightweight by comparison.
They will all kick your butt, and will give you a great workout.
Which of the two would you recommend for someone who’s 6’0ft?
@@vgman94 I would say Echo Bike because they are somewhat readily available for about $200 less than the Airdyne Pro.
I'm a sucker for overbuilt. I'll take the Rogue. The Schwinn looks like a sweet machine too. Doesn't look like I can go wrong on either one.
I almost bought the Schwinn today, thinking it was the best of the best, decided to check out some reviews and I'm so glad I did... Looks like I'll be ordering the echo!! Thank you.
Been using my AD7 and I'm very happy with the build and function of the machine.
How loud is the AD7 at steady state threshold speed around 70--80% effort? How about all out?
Can you hear it through apartment walls?
No, very quiet
Here is a response direct from Rogue regarding users height range for the Echo aka The Devils Tricycle - The inseam on this bike is for 27-38", so generally about 5ft 2 and taller, but can vary on the individual
Tim, great review! A few things I'd add after having both as well. The handles are slightly larger on the Echo and they're also further apart. Similarly, the seat is further away (horizontally) from the pedals, even when moved all the way forward. The AD Pro has the added advantage of multiple grip positions. I know you didn't use them, but several of my friends, especially females, liked the different options. If the Echo bike were the only bike I had, I probably wouldn't even notice the small differences, but with the two bikes side-by-side you can definitely tell. As one person put it, you can tell the AD Pro was made by a bike company.
I agree about the Echo monitor being cleaner than the Airdyne. If you're doing a workout where the goal is a certain number of calories, the Echo allows you to adjust the calories by single digits down to 10. On the other hand, the AD Pro only adjusts in increments of 25 down to 50. When doing a workout with specified rest intervals, the AD Pro will let you adjust the rest period up to 99 seconds, but the Echo stops at 60 seconds. The Echo's monitor will pause after 7 or 8 seconds of inactivity and can be re-started by hitting the "Start" button. The timer on the AD Pro will keep counting for several minutes after you've stopped, even though it is no longer counting distance, calories, etc. You can manually pause it though by hitting "Stop" as you're getting off the bike. The AD Pro is more generous with its calorie count, but I've found the 1.5x conversion to be accurate when compared to the AB and the Echo. In other words, 10 calories on the Echo bike is equivalent to 15 cals on the AD Pro. The Echo's monitor also shows all your stats (watts, cals, time, RPM, distance, etc.) simultaneously. Neither monitor maintains a history of workouts like you might be used to on the C2 Performance Monitors.
I actually liked the pedals on the AD Pro better because they have metal bumps/notches on them that do a better job of gripping your feet, especially during a hard sprint. I actually switched pedals between the two bikes before selling the AD Pro.
Glad you liked it and thanks for the extra info! Regarding the pedals, my Echo bike does have bumps on the pedals so they may have updated them. I've already sold the AD Pro so I can't check myself but from memory (as I say in the video) they pedals did look identical to me other than the color.
Since you've also had (or have) both bikes, which one would you say is best for shorter people? I'm around 5'6" and wondering which one would be most comfortable. Did you notice any difference in the seat adjustment range?
@@timk8258 good review Tim I own a AD PRO but one complaint that alot o people say about the Schwinn AD PRO compared to the rogue or the old Air assault bike model is that the peddling is too heavy because the pro has more fan blades is the peddling a bit easier on the echo bike because the ad pro is like peddling through a mouse trap or quick sand 🤣🤣😂😂 ????
@@timk8258 it's like everyday I get home and I'm like I wanna workout out then I tell myself naaaa I don't wanna tear a leg muscle 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Which one would you say is quieter and would not be heard through apartment walls?
Great Review no music WE LOVE IT!! Love the NOISE Comparison!!
Excellent review. I was going to go with the airdyne but after watching your video I'm going with the Rogue.
richard curley Glad I could help!
I decided on the Airdyne because of the handles. Happy with my choice so far.
Great review I enjoyed and learned a lot from it. In the U.K. we don’t have them available to test side by side so you have made it easier for me. Echo bike. Thank you
multiple handle positions are a huge bonus.
Schwinn does this patent
I agree. I change grips and it definitely works different muscles.
Nice job Tim. Appreciate your time it getting a very common comparison into the public forum. If I was a single guy - Rogue, but to meet the needs of the rest of the family the AD won out. Really it was due to the flexibly of adjustments and handle position.
In this pandemic I am thinking that we may get shut down at any given time. I been busy at work and have let myself go. I do wish to lower my heart rate and lose some weight if possible. I was advised by a fitness instructor to go with a Schwinn, which I had my heart set on. I just had to make to the fitness depot a couple of towns over. I never made it out in time, and at present there is a 4 month back order on it. So I was about to go with an Amstaff, but looked one more time for another quality machine. And I came across the Echo, and looked for Comparison videos. So long story long, The Echo will be delivered in a week.
Nice review, it answered my questions I had about the fan air bikes. I was leaning towards the Rogue anyway but your review sealed the deal, thanks
Thanks for posting the video Tim. I own the Schwinn AD Pro and have used it 5 days / week for a little more than a year. It's decent for what it does however, the long term build quality isn't there (second time I'm having a repair tech come to the house to swap out parts). Your assessment regarding the AD Pro computer is spot on - it appears "aged" and pretty much only use the timer (HR Link doesn't work). I was disappointed to hear that the HR Link doesn't work on the Rogue Echo either. The console of the Rogue appears compact and appears to have similarities to the Concept 2 Rower. I also own several Rogue products and the build quality is definitely there (also the customer service at Rogue is awesome - they definitely stand behind their products. The customer service from Schwinn is "thin.").
Thanks for this review. I almost bought the Airddyne. Now I'm more confident with Rogue
Excellent video. Thank you. I was torn on what to buy and this helped me make my decision to get the Riogue
Picking up my echo in the morning. Glad I made the right choice!
Thanks for the great review, I just bought a Rogue after watching your vid. Let’s get it!
Simple and informative review for a home gym viewer. Thanks for the content!
Clutch review. I have been looking for something like this. Good stuff.
Thank you so much, you've been very helpful. Well explained and you sticked to the point all time, very straight forward. Thanks again.
Very nice explanation, very thorough, went with the rogue echo as per recommended and loving it!
Get the Airdyne.
What i am trying to figure out is which bike is best for me and my smaller older mother who lives with me. It seems like the AD is smaller yet harder to use at low rpms which is contradictory and the echo larger and easier to use at low rpm.... The echo seems the better choice but i am concerned with the fit for someone 5'3. Feel like im leaning toward the Echo due to the interface, lower noise profile, and slightly lower resistance at low rpms. Thanks for the review.
Hi Taylor, did you end up getting one? I have a similar question regarding the usability for my own smaller, older mother
This was a really good review and perspective on both bikes. I currently own a Schwinn AD6 Bike which I’ll be selling soon. I’ll either be looking to replace it with the Schwinn Airdyne Pro or Rogue’s Echo bike.
Thank you so much of your very useful review
I'm not looking to buy any of this kind of things, but end up watching the entire comparison.... that good, that honest :)
Time well spent 😂
Thank you for the excellent review and comparison!
What would work best for someone petite like me? I’m 5’3” so basically short legs and short arms?
My Airdyne lasted 7 years before the rusted out piece if shit stopped working. I had to replace the belt twice, but something started grinding metal on metal and it became impossible to push anymore. There were large stretch where it didn't even get much use.
I went with the AD8 as it’s known in the UK because it has such a small footprint and I have limited space in a small home gym. After almost daily use over the couple of months of ownership I think it’s great. Probably a little behind the Echo bike in terms of build quality but nothing to worry about
Have you had any problems with it so far?
Thank you for your work, beautiful homegym by the way
So I've been wanting to get an airbike for the longest time at home. Years ago I always liked the airdyne. I almost thought of getting one recently. But the Rogue Echo came into play so I've been doing a ton of research. I'm super glad you did this video. It has definitely helped me look solely at the Echo. I tried both and I think the Echo is going to find a home at our home. Thanks Tim!!!
Airdyne,1st owner,'79. Me,'88-'99. Still perfect, no maintenance. "New/Old" comparison?
Excellent video, really helped me make a decision on a new air bike. (went with the Echo) Appreciate you posting this
Did you order from their website?? I’ve been looking for the past two weeks
@@NuLevelsOnly Yes. They had them for about a week in early August. The two pack option had the "notify me" thing but you could add a single one to the cart and check out, snagged one.
edit- They're in stock on the Rogue website right now
Caleb B i was able to buy one bro. I’m way to excited lol.
Great info sir 🙏🏼 appreciate the detailed review and in depth analysis!
Thanks for the review. I've had the AD pro for a couple years, I have been thinking about selling and buying the Echo. I think for now I'll just stick with the AD pro.
ok, got the echo, sold AD pro on Kijiji. Echo monitor is waaaaaaaaaaay. I personally recommend the echo.
Thanks for this video. I’m sold on the echo
thank you I bought the rogue
Great info......How long to burn 100 cals at a steady pace (tickover) on the echo? 🤔🤔🤔...................👍
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks dude :)
I ended up buying the Schwinn, and I just wanted to comment on one thing this video mentioned regarding the multiple handle positions of the Schwinn. I think it's a great addition to the bike because let's say once you adjust the seat height, the one handle position of the echo bike is either too high or too low, that wouldn't be great, right? With the Schwinn you get more options and that means it will fit more people, but I also find myself switching during the workouts too, now that I'm getting used to that, I wouldn't want one with a single handle position only.
But what sold me to the Schwinn the most is the form factor, I had limited space and the Schwinn is smaller, so it made more sense for me.
Thanks again for the review.
It doesn't look that much smaller than the Echo bike
my biggest concern with getting one of these is the noise. Is there anything that can be done to reduce the noise? Would putting a blanket over the fan make much of a difference? Is the noise noticeable from the room next door?
I’m buying the rogue. Thx
Very informative, helped me make my choice. Thank you.
Schwinn has such a high resistance from the moment you start to pedal, impossible to have longer cruising rides, its all punishment all the time, awesome for HIIT but nothing else. If you like long rides you will need to get a separate upright/spin bike.
Go slower/ go longer
So it’s impossible to keep your HR at LISS level? I doubt that. Just go slower lol
Very valuable. Thanks for your time.
Thanks very much for the very helpful review. I am torn between the 2 bikes but am leaning towards the Echo. That being said, I have a relatively small space and the Airdyne dimensions appear to make the Airdyne Pro bike much more compact L 42, W 20 vs Echo's dimensions of L 59, W 30. Can anyone tell me if the Echo feels that much bigger than the Airdyne? Thank you!!
The Echo is bigger but those dimensions for the Echo are the total width from the farthest point of the seat post (with the seat all the way back) to the frontmost point of the fan, and the full width of the handlebars. I'm pretty sure those measurements on the Airdyne are just for the base of the bike, but it still sticks out farther from that for the fan/seat/handlebars. So while the Echo is larger it's much less difference between the two than those dimensions make it seem. I don't remember exactly but I want to say the actual difference in length is more like 9" and the width was pretty similar, maybe a couple inches narrower on the Airdyne.
Hi. I was wondering if you are able to stand on the echo in like a stair climber? Apparently the Schwinn you can do that without the handle hitting you in the gut. Guys were saying this was a problem on the echo. Thanks
Have your views changed at all?😊
I am trying to decide to buy rogue echo or airdyne ad7. My 13 year old son and I are both 5’2”. I read review somewhere that Echo is not for small person. I wonder anyone here experience any trouble with Echo regarding size issue? Thanks
Ping Xu read through the comments, there’s a thread where I post measurements
Can you stand on the Rogue Echo as easily as on the Airdyne? Looks like handles come back towards the body further.
Thank you. Great review!
Awesome review. Which one would you recommend for someone around 5'6 with 32" legs?
Thanks for the review. I'm not going to take up sprinting when I can take up bike sprinting.
I just got this bike, I noticed that when the fan is moving and you look at it from the front of the cage , especially when viewing the metal strip that goes around the fan from that gap that is in the middle of the cage, my fan has a bit of a wobble to it? Have you noticed this with yours at all? The metal pieces look uneven a bit as it turns, and the entire fan has a slight wobble, or a flex in mine? It doesn’t seem to effect the normal operation of the bike at all so far, it just looks kinda weird and I was a bit worried if this normal at all?
Which bike?
Sorry, Im talking about the AirDyne. Just wondering if this is normal on these bikes and if anyone else has noticed? I expected the fan to have some flex at higher RPMs, but I was really surprised to see that much wobble/play of the fan at lower speeds. It’s still a beautiful and smooth machine, and so far it does not appear to effect performance at all. I also noticed that the right side crank arm was a bit loose when I got it so I had to remove it and re-seat it and torque it down again.
@@greerhog i notice a wobble too on my Airdyne Pro, it;s normal
Would you suggest one of these for hip/labrum tear repair rehab? Never tryed an airbike... Dont know if its easier on this or normal upright bike..
Surprised you didn't mention if they had any differences in seat adjustment range. This can be very important for people that are very short or very tall. Personally, I'm most curious about which one would be best for shorter people.
Sorry for the oversight! I'm 5'11" so both were comfortable for me and I didn't think about that too much. But from everything I've read, shorter folks sometimes have trouble with the Echo bike. I think if you were very tall, go with the Echo, and if you're quite short the Airdyne would be a safer bet. Since I'm in the middle it's hard to give any kind of accurate cutoff numbers though; if you can't find a way to try them both in person then the next best thing would be to look for reviews that specifically mention fit issues for short or tall people.
That's what I've read too, but it would've been awesome if you had put the seat all the way down (and all the way up) on both bikes and then measured the distance from the top of the seat to the pedals. Anyways...thanks for the video, as well as your comment.
@@sandercohen3309 Yeah definitely wish I would have thought of that. This video was unfortunately a little rushed and filmed late at night because I had someone coming to buy the Airdyne from me the next day.
I just measured the distance for the echo bike. In the lowest seat position, it's 29", and in the highest position it's 39.25". That's measuring from where the pedal axle (?) meets the crank arm (with the pedal at the lowest point of travel) to the red stitching on the seat, right at the apex or "corner" of the seat curve (hope that makes sense... basically where your inner thigh contacts the seat). With the seat in the furthest back position, the measurements are 30.5" and 40.75". The actual amount of horizontal adjustment available in the seat is 5".
Also the front to back travel of each handle is roughly 21" (little hard to measure but I think that's within 0.5" accuracy).
Hopefully someone with an AD Pro or AD7 can measure it and add the info here so we can compare.
@@timk8258 Wow! Thank you so much for such an incredibly detailed and informative response! I didn't expect that. Very useful. Measured my inseam and it's actually right at 29", so the Rogue Echo bike might be pushing it. I don't want my legs to be fully extended when the pedal is at its lowest point, because that's probably not good for the knees. There should be a slight bend and I'm not sure I'll be able to get that with the Echo. Maybe the extra thickness added by wearing shoes will help, but I don't know. Can't exactly return the Echo Bike either if I order it, because of International shipping.
@@sandercohen3309 No problem! It does sound like the Echo might be borderline for you but keep in mind that you want to be pedaling with the ball of your foot so that should theoretically add some extra length on top of your inseam measurement. Maybe if you have a bike you could adjust the seat so it's 29" from the pedal and see how it feels.
Just curious. My wife is 4'10". Would she be able to use it??
So, I'm confused. I see no airdyne pro on schwinn website, but I do see airdyne ad7 and ad6. In europe, i guess the ad7 is called the ad8.
Thank you for doing this! I was set on the Schwinn because I automatically thought the Rogue was more expensive. After this video I checked the price and it’s cheaper then the AD7/Pro! Getting the Echo now.
EzSkAnKeN Where are you getting it? Sold out everywhere lol
Evan Porter it is sold out everywhere ha ha. I’m waiting for things to come back in stock then get it. Been watching TH-cam videos just to make sure I’m making a good decision. This video has helped a lot. Even though I ride the AD7/Pro 5x/week at the gym. Still might be hard to go with the Echo since I am used to the AD7/Pro. In the end it’s always about what my pockets can handle lol! Have a good one bud!
EzSkAnKeN Ahhh I see, I thought you had an inside scoop on when they will restock lol. I am brand new to the more advanced bikes (still rehabbing torn ACL ) but I have reacted well to the bike. It’s a shame I came late to this realization and that my current bike broke now when all stock in bone dry and people in my area selling the Echo for double price because of demand. Best of luck to you my guy!
They have had loads on rogue Europe site, I just got mine. The guy who works there told me they had over 1000 in stock
I just checked out the US site. WOWW you guys have so much more choice than us when it comes to plates and stuff. Good luck
Evan Porter Echo is back in stock as of 2:20pm MST! Just got the email! Get on it bro!
Seems there is more range of motion on the arms for the echo bike.
Great review. Thanks!
Excellent in every way
Great review, thank you
Nice review, good work. If you had a link that I could use to make a purchase I would have used it.
there is a reason that you noticed the airdyne ad 7 was harder to run the same rpms you noticed in the beginning. the echo has 10 fan blaeds and the schwinn ad 7 has 26 fan blades and since the resistance is from the fan blades pushing against the air you have more than 1.5 times the blades pushing the air so it makes sense that it will be harder..
It’s not just the number of blades that matters, it’s also the size... total surface area is what counts. The echo has fewer blades, but they’re larger, so the difference in resistance is less than you would expect based simply on counting the blades.
What do you think about how wide the pedals are against each other?
do you happen to remember which one took up more space? others say schwinn is a smaller footprint but in the video they look about the same
Thanks from México...good video
1 question I’m making a buying decision. I will need to move whichever airbike I end up getting from time to time depending on if I have guests staying over. I’m assuming the AD7 is the way to go right? Because it’s lighter
jaymeez They’re both kind of awkward to move around. The AD7 is 113lbs and the Echo is 127lbs so it’s not a big difference. Personally, I wouldn’t make the decision based on that factor.
I miss my old smaller wheel airdyne. Bought the AD7 and it's not nearly as nice IMO I just cannot seem to get comfortable on the Schwinn
Great video sir! Thanks.
Excellent. Thanks. Money wise they go new for same price (in Canada). Considering this same price would you still prefer the Rogue ?
Yeah, even for the same price I would go with the Echo, but it's personal preference really.
@@timk8258Thank you TimK
is it ok for when you life in a flat with the noise? which one to you advise then?
Which one would you say has a more comfortable/ergonomic seat position?
Is the sweep in the handlebars greater in the Rogue Echo? I’ve read some complaints that the handlebars moved back too far. Also which bike do you think is better for knee rehabilitation?
I think it's a little longer but I didn't measure it when I had both bikes.
I just measured it on the Echo, and the front to back travel of each handle is roughly 21" (little hard to measure but I think that's within 0.5" accuracy).
Hopefully someone with an AD Pro or AD7 can measure it and add the info here so we can compare.
I can't comment on the knee rehab aspect as I don't have any medical training and I haven't used either one for that purpose myself.
Thanks!
Good review, thanks
I don't know why I'm watching this. I already own a Echo. Still great video.
Well done sir Thank you !
No mention that the phone holder and water bottle holder are standard on the Airdyne?
Especially considering you mentioned that you are having to order a holder for your echo bike?
To downplay the obvious advantages of multiple grip positions to the general public seems biased.
Yeah man, you totally figured it out, I’m obviously being paid by Rogue
Howabout the octane airdyne x?
Great review Tim just what i was looking for. I have a question for you or anyone that has experience with both of these bikes. I’m about to purchase one of these bike and I’m in Canada and the airdyne is a lot cheaper $880 vs $1195 for the echo. They rarely come up used where I am and when they due it’s usually almost retail price. My question to anyone that knows both these bike is “ is the echo $300 dollars better than the airdyne. It will be going into a home gym.
If I may... I am also in Canada and bought the Airdyne couple of months ago on Amazon for 849$ plus tax free shipping and, for the price, this is a killer piece of equipment ! I had no issues except a pedal bushing that I had to tighten (inside) and I use it 3-4 days a week up to 45 minutes workout at 80-85% aerobic threshold. I absolutely don’t regret my purchase. It is also in a home gym environment and only me is using it. I agree though for the review on the monitor ; you constantly have to push buttons to see the different features. But, for the rest, absolutely happy with it ! ;-)
@@marcmartineau7858 Thank you very much for your input. I did end up ordering the Airdyne off of amazon yesterday and it should be here on the 5th. Didn't get the $850 price, paid $880. The pricing on the Airdyne is all over the map. In Canada you can get the Airdyne for $880cad($662us) from amazon or $1,827cad($1,375us) from roguecanada. The Echo bike is $1,195cad($899). In the U.S the Airdyne is $799us on amazon or $999us rogue and the Echo bike is $725us. From everything i read and watched they seem very similar. I almost ordered the echo, but I have to admit that me almost doing that was the "look" of the echo bike. In the end i saved over $300 going with the Airdyne plus i was able to try it out at a local store and confirm that i liked it. Plus the warranty on the Airdyne is longer so thats always nice
Sam Cook You won’t regret it. Of course the Eco Bike is most looks sturdier and is most probably made for commercial gym, but for a home gym, the Airdyne is more than enough ! I also like the fact that it has different handles position. When you are use to it, the workout is different depending of where you handle the bars. Neutral feels different than pronated on the top than on the bottom. Heart rate changes depending on where you grab the handles. This is a great acquisition ! I agree for the price ! When I ordered at first, it was at 899.99$. 1 week later, I saw it at 849$ ! My first order was not shipped yet so I called Amazon and canceled my first order, and process the second at 849$, free shipping, which was a great deal ! And I’ve never regretted it since ! (Y) I like the Rogue equipment, but here in Canada, we got stolen with shipping fees ! One advice : take your time to put it together ; especially the handles bar. They are finicky to put in and you don’t want to screw up the grooves. The seat has a tendency to move a bit so don’t be shy to over tighten the screws !
Sam Cook echo bike is now under 800 from rogue
@@samcook15 HI Still happy with the product ? Fast forward to August 2020 and I have the same dilemma . Except they cost the same now. 1200 CAD $ At Best Buy Canada for the Scwinn AD 7 or 1195 CAD $ on the Rogue Canada web site for the Echo bike. Fitness depot has on backorder the Schwinn Airdyne pro for 1288. But I understand the AD7 and the Pro are the same product with different warranties. I would definitely buy like you did the Schwinn for 850-899 but at the same price ( 1200 ) not sure which one is worth purchasing. Maybe the price for the Schwinn will come down eventually to the 900 $ ? Not sure about that either because the demand is too high now. Thanks
Great video, thanks.
For the same price would you still pick the Echo Bike? My understanding is that the Airdyne Pro used to be more expensive, but now I'm able to get it at exactly the same price as the Echo.
Personally I would get the Echo if they were the same price.
I can stand, pedaling on the Schwinn, but not the Rogue. This is a good thing.
Tim, would the Echo work for a taller rider? I'm 6'4" and I am a bit worried that the arm attachments might be too low if i adjust the seat to my height...
I think it should be fine. I normally use it on the 3rd highest seat position (so it could go up two more inches) and I just tried it on the highest position and it seemed fine to me (aside from my feet just barely making contact with the pedals because my legs are too short, lol).
@@timk8258 Thanks for the quick response.
which one is better for apartment(condo)??
I just had surgery on my shoulder. Can I ride these bikes without gripping the hand rails?
You can, it's not as comfortable as a recumbent bike but it's doable. I take my hands off the handles fairly often for rest intervals and it's no problem, you won't fall off the bike or anything like that. It might help to put the seat a little lower than normal to make it easier to maintain the upright seating position. When using your arms you lean forward more.
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Great video. Thanks very much. Really helpful. Getting the Rogue!
I wanted the Echo bike but it's sold out everywhere. Everyone bought it cause it's so good. All you can do is sign up on Rogue for an email notification when it's available. So I went with the Air Assault Classic. May not be as good but I ordered it two days ago and it's already on the way.
nice review
Thanks!
very thorough, nice
Nice review, nice gym Bro 😎
Thank you!