Both my parents as they got older ended up using wheelchairs to go with. Around their apartments they could walk around due to it being short distances, but they didn't have the strength for long distances. So when they went out they used wheelchairs. But it never ceased to amaze me how often someone would comment if they stood up to get into a vehicle or something about "Why they were using a wheelchair".
People are a-holes, that is why. (actually I don't really believe that... some people are) It's funny/sad how often people confront people for having handicap placards and seemingly being healthy enough. Just stay in your own lane. To quote Roy Kent "that's none of my f'ing business!"
It's got to come from some sort of inferiority complex, right? Like... the fear that someone else is cheating the system and getting one over on them. It sucks.
@@PaulaDeming I usually think that it comes from poor moral beings, whenever I run into someone who first thought is that people are trying to cheat the system, it's because that is the way they think, they would cheat if they thought they could get away with it and so are assuming everyone else is doing exactly that. That is why I think certain politics think the worse about people, that they are trying to game the system, because they themselves would cheat the system.
@@cardsfanboy kinda like honestly if people were good. i don't think communism or socialism would have any real problems compared to democracy and capitalism. in fact it might eliminate several inefficiencies in the system. unfortunately on the whole people are awful so things don't work
Yeah, I bet Ruth Madeley, the actress who plays Shirley, she has spina bifida and is actually in a wheelchair. She can stand and move around a little with out it but I bet she cops a lot of people saying what was said in the episode.
@@alexsimpkin5620 THANK YOUU!!!!!!!!!!!!! when she was like "im shirley" i was like "no?" im hoping big finish does something with that..... UGGHHHH MEL WAS EVEN THERE LIKE RTD WHY WASNT SHE HEBE
My interpretation was that Ncuti had benefitted from Tenants time on Earth with Donna. He said something along the lines of "you fixed yourself, we are doing rehab out of order". So when Tenant dies in the future, I believe he will regenerate into Ncuti. But then Ncuti's incarnation travels back in time to pop out during the Bi-generation.
That would be an even more insane and contrived thing for Russell to pull out his ass instead of just what’s presented in the episode, because that raises a thousand other questions about how this works and why we’ve literally never heard about it before.
An hour of Mel and no carrot juice in sight? Fun fact: The original Toymaker pictured in this episode was played by Michael Gough, most famous for playing Alfred in ‘89 Batman.
14 is going to slow down. He's in family therapy. He's decompressing. Unless there is an emergency he will not be going on any big adventures... but maybe some little ones. 😅
I think 14 after the bigeneration lives in some kind of loop and when he dies, he will become 15 in the moment of the bigeneration... Because 15 said "I'm fine because you fixED yourself." So they can't be completely separated entities... :)
This is it, exactly. While we don't understand what bigeneration is, beyond a way for the Doctor to heal some from everything from 9-13 has gone through, RTD has basically confirmed that 14 lives with the Noble-Temple's (presumably for the rest of their lives? Not sure but I love that idea) and at some point in the future, dies. But time motherfuckery (timey-wimey is far too tame considering what an absolute mind-fuck bigeneration is from the perspective of time travel) occurs and the 14th Doctor essentially goes back in time, bigenerates into 15. The 15th Doctor is the 14th, after all the time spent with Donna and her family. Both absurdly confusing and relatively simple to understand. He may not be completely healed, but he lived for quite a while and happily and that's why the 15th is so immediately different and helpful and presumably influenced by his time with Donna and her family. So no, they're still the same Doctor, confirmed by RTD. Basically, it's a very soft reboot of the series for the benefit of Disney+ watchers, so they don't have to wade through 62 years of established canon to enjoy the new show on their streaming service. It helps _us_ enter a new era for the Doctor. Personally I thought it was a great move. I know people _hate_ it, but that's just people; unless you're doing things exactly how they prefer they'll always rag on Gatwa for no other reason than their preferences weren't met.
When I heard of "bi-regenration", I didn't like the idea at all, thinking it would undermine 15's arrival because RTD can't let go of "his" Doctor. Nevermind 10, Russell's the one who "doesn't want (him) to go". But I should have trusted him, the execution worked very very well. Ncuti exudes perfect Doctor energy and sass right away, and 14 gets his well-earned reward. And I can't begin to express how much I loved that perfect moment of self-love. The Doctor comforting the Doctor sent me blubbering.
it'll be interesting if we get any confirmation of a time loop of sorts as Davids subtitles revert to him being called the Tenth Doctor after the bigeneration.
I was just pleased that I aren't the only one to remember the fob watch with all the Doctor's pre-Hartnell memories in, because I've not heard any other reviewers mention it but it was the first thing I wondered when he duplicated the TARDIS was to wonder if said watch has been duplicated too?
15:28 - guess where the phrase "folding up shop" came from ;) 16:18 - your two reactions to something like the Toymaker are perfect. Horror at what it is capable of, and humor at its actions 19:27 - because the Doctor is getting what he has always needed - someone to help him heal 19:37 - imagine whoever gets possessed by the Master also getting a fraction of the Toymaker's powers 21:16 - this was added because a fan wrote to Russell T Davies and mentioned that they would never be able to go into the TARDIS because of their wheelchair 21:42 - Ncuti also was a Doctor Who fan and grew up with Doctor and Donna. Now he gets to be the Doctor. 22:13 - of course there are no pants. The amount of time since we last saw him has been brief.
Anyone else realize that when the bigeneration happened and they split clothes that 15 in his underwear means 14 was going commando for the last third of the episode!
My daughter told me when Mel appeared I couldn't stop grinning for about 5 minutes. But when Ncuti wrapped him up in a big hug and said "I've got you."? That broke me.
If I had a nickel for everytime the Master's essence was trapped in an object and was picked up by a mysterious woman with red fingernails I'd have two nickels..... Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
19:27 the reason its 'going to make you blubber' is because RTD just pulled off both Steve Moffat and Chris Chibnall's best tricks - a brilliant bit of clever story-writing that's also so understated as to be almost unconscious. With no great fanfare, he just wrote a line where the Doctor is forgiven and reassured by his future self. Imagine how powerful a gift rhat would be for anyone in their own life - if you couldnjump back theough time and tell your younger self 'we get through this' or 'it isn't your fault'.
I like to think that ncuti's doctor will have the memories of Tennants doctor healing his trauma with Donna (after this episode), which is why ncuti's doctor is so light-hearted and free.
My theory is that Tennant becomes the first Caretaker and eventually regenerates but can only use the faces he has been before which is why we have Tom Baker's Caretaker in the 50th anniversary.
My theory is 15 is from the future after 14 had his rehabilitation. Once 14 has healed from his trauma etc, he returns to the point of bigeneration and becomes 15. I'd like to think that 14 also will deal with the timeless child stuff by reclaiming their memories and dealing with that. This is why 15 is so chipper, he's recovered from all the past trauma and can start travelling again.
i really liked this 3 part special. it kinda touched on most things to expect from a doctor who season. 1- pure campy energy 2-here is your horror 3-here is your bbeg. can't wait for a ridiculous christmas special.
My head canon is that if 14 regenerates he’ll turn into the Curator. However some people seem to think that when he regenerates he’ll travel back to this moment and become 15. So, if that’s the case, that may happen if 14 is brought back into the show. A third idea is that when they bigenerated, ALL the generations of the Doctor bigeneraated. That’s apparently supposed to tie in with Tales of the TARDIS. Apparently this is from a commentary with RTD someone saw. I’ll be taking the long way round to find out what actually becomes canon.
I think that Tennant is about to be the "Great Curator," the one from the 50th anniversary. I think the Curator will also be the Watcher, which was never properly explored. A Doctor seeing events, without interference and bringing things back to the UNIT museum.
It's interesting how they made the Toymaker being culturally insensitive a character trait, his original outfit and title of "celestial" made him seem like a caricature of an east/asian man. And in this he puts on bad German and French accents and assumes where that man is from.
I grew up with classic Who as a kid in Liverpool,England in the 70's, so i have seen it all, i think it really is brilliant, as a classic Companion, I love this show and always will.
Don't know if you two have seen them, but fun fact: The actor who played the original Toymaker was Alfred Pennyworth in the Batman movies starting with Michael Keaton.
So the theory I’ve heard is that by The doctor invoking a superstition at the edge of creation, he accidentally created a new law of the universe. “It’s a superstition and it’s real”-So now superstitions, myths, folk lore are all truths. Ncuti says bigeneration is a myth, that’s it not real, and yet it just happened. So going forward we may see more fantastical creatures that wouldn’t ordinarily exist in doctor who.
I don't believe the Toymaker died, he's being stored in the deepest vault underground covered with salt. Close ups of hands have revealed that Kate picked up the tooth containing the Master. Great show! 👍
@@TheAppeyes Absolutely true. Yet when looking at the nails they look 100% exactly the same shape and color. So it is possible that we are being tricked for certain.
Memory restored. Best friend and her family by her side. Job at UNIT. The Toymaker played a game, and Donna Noble won. I also wonder if 10/14 now retired will eventually become The Curator.
Yeah but of the many many many many wonderful things Moffat brought to the show his over use of the regeneration fake out (first done by RTD in the stolen earth) was not one of them@@NicoleM_radiantbaby
Q was pretty evil right, from what i remember. Or maybe not evil but the same as the toymaker, good and bad are foreign concepts to them, they just do as they please
I LOVED Ncuti in Sex Education so when we heard he was going to play the Doctor, I was so excited to see him bring his warming love and contagious happiness to the show and his first few scenes already have that. I’m so excited for the future of this show
Being from the same hometown as John Logie Baird, Helensburgh in Scotland - where we even have a Stookie Bill sculpture in our town square - made the opening of this episode an absolute delight. In a bizarre twist, for years and years I've thought the story of JLB & the invention of telly would make a good subject for a slightly off-kilter comedy docu-drama film/limited series - in which I would've cast David Tenant as JLB. XD
Random head-cannon: This is how Matt Smith winds up meeting an older Doctor in The Day of the Doctor special. It's Tennant as 14. He stayed. He got old. He became the curator of the museum.
I have to say, that regeneration made me think of Calvin and Hobbes, when Calvin cloned himself so the clone could go to school and do his homework while he sat at home reading comics and watching tv. It didn't end well.
I just adored this episode. David and Catherine are amazing, NPH was just the height of creepy villainy, and Ncuti just OWNED the role from moment one. I can't wait for his run
While it is incredibly silly I can't help but love it. The bi-generation gives the old era a nice ending, allowing Ncuti to start completely fresh without any emotional baggage. We acknowledged that 14 is still grieving the Flux, and he'll have the time to process that and all his other losses, while having a happy life with his best friend. Once he has healed emotionally I believe that he'll regenerate into Ncuti as usual, only appearing at Unit HQ. It isn't much different from Clara, who technically died, but got some extra time before returning to her death. We don't need Ncuti to be burdened by grief, Time War redux. We need a hopeful happy Doctor in this era to inspire the kids, embracing inclusivity and being a fantastic role model. While bigeneration was a spicy controversial choice I firmly belive that some people just need to sit back and enjoy the ride, no matter how silly or campy it gets. Once one starts analyzing and nitpicking, they quickly spiral into negativity, which is the opposite of what we need. Very much looking forward to more Ncuti Gatwa, what an entrance!
“We need Ncuti to be happy” And therein lies the problem. 15 has all the exact same experiences and memories as 14 so should still be burdened with all the same trauma. Ehhhh, that’s too inconinconvenient so let’s just pretend 14 gets all of it and 15 gets none of it despite them supposedly being the same character! It’s lazy, forced and contrived to get the ending Russell wants without any of the supporting writing to get us there.
@@Longshanks1690 I think the implication of "we're Time Lords, we're doing rehab out of sync" is that although 15 has popped out of 14 now, he is still a future incarnation whose personality is after 14, and after any trauma recovery that 14 goes through from now on. So not the exact same memories, but post-healing. It's a bit messy and convenient but it is what it is. (I'm not a huge fan of these specials or the direction they've taken it, but it makes as much sense as anything else over the past 60 years, really.)
@@bobblebardsley Oh how extremely convenient! No, we don’t wanna see how the Doctor gets to that point. He’s just magically over it now, don’t think about it! Also ignore how we went for Toymaker’s hammer like it was an idea he had just then when he actually knew it would 100% work. Also ignore how Toymaker was incredibly surprised by it if it was all down to him. It works, it makes sense, don’t think about it. 🙃
@@Longshanks1690 Hey I'm with you, I think the absolute biggest crime of convenience in these specials was last week, The Doctor says "if I'm right..." stamps his foot and a freaking golf kart pops up out of the floor. But people said Chibnall's writing was bad. For the smaller details it's just a McGuffin and you can choose to be angry about it or just chalk it up to not having enough run time in the episode to spend on a better explanation. The big stuff, like The Doctor's entire personality/memories, at least they tossed a line in there to explain that away. I have low expectations for the next few years but whatever, if they want to do a happier Doctor after 18 years of him basically being tormented by latent guilt, at least it won't be the same old schtick.
@@Longshanks1690 Yeah, we're going to lose the actual character development of that healing and I think that sucks. (That was one of my fave things about Capaldi's Doctor -- we got to watch his healing and go on an arc with him. With RTD, it's always about a stupid reset button)
Wait a minute. I just thought of something. The Master was dying when he lost his game with the Toymaker. So what’s his regeneration going to look like?
The first 40 mins or so we're basically perfect for me, but meta-crisis Part 2 included I still really enjoyed it. Landing Ncuti is one of those incredible castings where you'd never have thought of it but the second you hear it, it makes PERFECT sense & it's instantly exciting. I really feel like we're going to move away from the "wacky, fast-talking, hyperactive eccentric" archetype Doctor (as much as I love it), as well as the trauma of New Who Doctors. I want a performance that's as distinctive & fresh as Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker felt in their debut.
Yeah, it's kinda genius really - the classic Doctors were all a bit eccentric but hadn't really suffered _catastrophic_ trauma (some loss, sure, but we all suffer that at some point), then 9 was fresh from the time war, angry and damaged beyond belief, 10 was lonely and regretful, and a bit uncertain of who he was (the time lord victorious was a symptom of desperately looking for meaning in the ashes of everything he once knew), 11 was a chaotic bubbling mess who just kept busy and energetic to avoid having to really stop and process anything, and whenever he had a quiet moment what came out was mostly quiet anger, 12 was grumpy and weary but trying his best to just hold to his ideals despite being so tired that he wanted to finally die for good, then 13 was in denial about all of it, completely closed up in order to survive another lifetime that she didn't really want in the first place, leading to being goofy one moment and emotionally cold and distant the next, and finally 14 is at breaking point, crying out, ready to just crumble in the presence of the one person left who he knows can help. 15 is the rejuvenated Doctor, the one who has worked through their issues and found a fresh lease on life. It feels like the bigeneration (and potential regeneration timeloop) is a result of the Doctor knowing that 14's purpose wasn't complete and that a long road of healing was still needed, made possible by the weakening of reality caused by a) the toymaker's presence and b) the whole "invoking superstition at the edge of the universe" thing. The more I think about it the more I kinda love the whole thing.
What are the odds that the two of you would be willing to do the Live Action One Piece series on this channel? Preeeeetty sure it's right up your alley.
I've seen the first 3 episodes of the live action! But I originally started the anime first, and now I am just hooked and can't bring myself to finish the live action yet 😂
An homage to the Flash Gordon movie from the 1980's at the end there.... The hand from off camera reaching for the tooth, was like the gloved hand taking Ming the Merciless's ring. :)
so i looked it up Mel's actress is only a couple years older than David, meaning 1) she was like early 20s when she was companion and 2) david was like a teen, when she was with the 6th and 7th doctors
First off that sweater, I need it. Second, The Giggle might be one of the most S tier episodes of Doctor Who I've seen to date. I cannot tell you how ready I am for Ncuti.
15 is THE Doctor now and will be saving the universe. 14 will be having safe but fun occasional TARDIS adventures while retired lol. I think it was Kate's hand and the Master might actually get reintroduced via the UNIT spinoff before popping over to Who. It was really nice seeing you both get teary when Mel showed up! All other reactions I've seen have been "Old companion? I don't know who this is." And I feel like The One Who Waits being The Valeyard really fits.
Have you seen the Doctor Who Comic-Relief special - The Curse of Fatal Death? It's on youtube and predicted/foreshadowed a lot of things that came to be.
Steve Austin, astronaut. A man barely alive. Gentlemen, We Can Rebuild Him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic man. Steve Austin will be that man. Better than he was before. Better. Stronger. Faster."
(Sorry for length. Just thorough with my thoughts is all.) Two things a view on bigeneration and a theory of who the next big baddy/baddies are. We really don't know what The Doctor's species (real species not Time Lords that hijacked regeneration from The Doctor) are actually capable of. Bigeneration might be considered a myth because Time Lords getting regenerations past their limit was rare due to them being genetically altered but not the source. The Doctor's species may have unlimited regenerations, with bigeneration being a physical-psychological auto immune response to help cope. Instead of a split personality developing from stress and everything, their immune response is to generate the perfect support, themselves without the baggage, who knows everything and can help them move past it and make changes. So many ways it could turn out. My guess is that The One Who Waits is Fenric from the older DW. His character is based on one of Lovecraft's Great Old Ones. Lovecraft in DW, all for it! AND, what I hope for most, is it could bring back and tie in Krop Tor from The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit episodes! The Beast says "this one knows me as I know him. The killer of his own kind." Which could actually be referring to his true kind, not the Time Lords. And it also implies whatever The Beast's kind is, he was and is not the ONLY one. There were/are more. And I think it's what they encountered in Wild Blue Yonder. The beast speaks about events/beings that trapped them there which happened before time, before THIS universe existed, and The Doctor can't believe it. TB: Before light and time and space and matter. Before the cataclysm. Before THIS universe was created. TD: That's impossible. No life could have existed back then. TB: Is that YOUR religion? TD: It's a belief. TB: You know nothing. All of you. So Small. Trapped before the universe was created. When the cataclysm/universe was created, TB's prison was given structure and form governed by the laws of the universe in which the prison was enveloped. Light, time, space, matter, but still powerful and capable of influence. The beings of the Wild Blue Yonder are The Beast's kind.
Actually there is a spin off series with the Doctors daughter called "Jenny". Its an audio drama featuring the actual actress who played Jenny you know David Tennent's wife. Check out Big Finish Productions who have produced audio dramas with the actual actors from the original series from Doctor 4 Tom Baker to Doctor 8 Paul McGann. Plus some spin-off series. They are amazingly great it's a full production.
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby so right at the end the 15th says to the 14th you fixed your self because I’m fixed or something along those lines basically saying that what the doctors needs to be happier that’s when the 15h doctor comes in, so initially the 14th doctor would take some time off to heal then change into the 15th but the toy maker comes into play, so there’s a rumour going around online that the 14th doctor changed to early and due to toy makers powers the 15th got pulled out of him 14th kept his body while also keeping his 15th body so it’s like the 10th and 11th coexisting in one time there also other leaks that in season 3 or 4 that the current doctor will be bought back into his time stream to the point where 14th will have a normal regeneration into the 15th but that will have to wait and see about that, there the same with the same memories but both at different time periods as they stated that the 15th is older than the 14th so I can believe that. So yes there’s been leaks that the future doctor gets pulled back into he past hence we see the bigeneration and when season 3 or 4 happens u will see the 15th get pulled back into like a loop and change normally and defeat the toy maker because he already know how to defeat him but take it as a pinch or salt but way I see it this is where it going
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby and also excuse me if I just made it more confusing for you it’s more if you get it you get it if you don’t u will find click on bout season 3 or 4 apparently
Yeah, my guess for the bi-generation is that it’s a closed time loop. So, Fourteen lives with the Nobles for as long as he wants, gets all the help & time that he needs to fully recover from all of his past trauma, and when he finally regenerates into Fifteen properly, the time-warp that was caused by the Toymaker’s presence causes Fifteen to loop back to the moment when they split. That explains Fifteen’s “I’m better because you fix yourself; we’re doing rehab out of order” line, why his new TARDIS is more advanced than Fourteen’s existing one, and why Fifteen is older than Fourteen despite the fact that they should be the same age if they’d just split in two.
It’s appropriate that bi-generation has split fans. I don’t mind it, and considering how long the Doctor has lived and how many times they regenerated during their existence, a random mutation like that is a cool sci-fi idea.
Yup, makes sense, plus it doesn't really change the universe since there's already so many copies of The Doctor in his different regenerations running around the same time periods..lol, I have a feeling the Tardis tries to keep them separate otherwise there's no way they wouldn't constantly be running into each other.
@markfuston2714 Exactly! I genuinely don't get the criticism that there's 2 of them in a show about time travel. The Lazarus Experiment and The Eleventh Hour both take place in 2008, despite neither being released in that year: both the Tenth and the Eleventh Doctors were on Earth in the same year. It's literally no different to this. Same with Dalek and The Power of Three: 9th and 11th Doctors both on Earth in the same year. No different to this.
I like the line "there's no such thing", which is a quick dig at 'fans' who'd say the same thing - and by explaining it as a myth means it's not a new concept to the Doctor and something you can't complain about not being mentioned before.
Ya, I also like the idea that maybe it was because of The Toymaker too..like, maybe him being there and altering our dimension and the rules of reality and play allowed 14 to kinda "break the rules" and do his healing out of order the way 15 said, split and allow 15 to be there to help him with The Toymaker and whatever The One That Waits is..lol, but also allow 14 to remain there and be able to heal and finally get a time to just breath.@@manticore5733
I didn't realise until this reaction that when they won the final game David's Doctor claimed his prize and then Ncuti claimed his to get the second TARDIS. At the time it seemed like a made up convenience but now I see it was fair - Ncuti had yet to claim his prize for also winning the game and the Toymaker's effects still remained in play until he claimed it: two winners = two prizes.
Maybe "The One Who Waits" is Captain Jack? That was one of RTD's first characters. He has definitely been known to wait for a while. It would also be a shocker to see him as a villain after being left by The Doctor so much. Or maybe Me (Ishildur)? She waited until the end of the Universe.
New main set, three returning characters with Kate, Donna and Mel and three new archetype characters introduced through specials 1 and 3 for a core cast of 6. This was a backdoor UNIT pilot.
It’s exactly like when the Doctor trapped the little girl in all the mirrors. Except instead of being trapped in all mirrors, the doll head was burned into the first television screen, and everyone created after it. 😊
The Gallifrey Gals. Presented by Kat, Paula AND SHEP! (I adored Kat giving Shep a snoot kiss!) This is probably one of the greatest Wibbly Wobbly reactions we ever had! Your reactions were perfect.
I see some people are saying the Timeless child scenario has been got rid of due to the toymaker saying he messed with the Doctors past? I aint got a clue anymore 😂😂😂
I didn't really have any expectations about Gatwa's doctor (aside from being, yk, _the Doctor_ ) since I didn't know the actor before this, but I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. A new Doctor's first episode is always a bit challenging, but coming in alongside/after _David Tennant,_ who is (I think it's fair to say) the most popular Doctor of New Who, is a tall order for anyone. But he charmed me immediately. His energy is just infectious and he's so very... Doctor-y. But the Doctor when they're not weighed down by several metric fucktons of fresh trauma. Just the Doctor on their best days, when it's just about running around, seeing things, saving the day and having fun (15 will have his more serious moments of course, and we got a little bit of that this episode, but overall he was very... light.). And I for one can't wait to see more of him.
But it makes so much sense. It explains the Curator, and the Doctor in hiding(sorry can’t remember which episode it was…she had a TARDIS buried in her garden). I love how this leaves it open for a U.N.I.T. Spin-off or a specials where they all need to team up. I’m thinking that the idea of not being able to regenerate…
I really hope "the one who waits" is The Valeyard. I would absolutely love for some kind of byproduct of the biregeneration to cause a dark version of the Doctor, or simply the Master (or someone else) creates the dark Doctor to defeat the real Doctor.
I would LOVE for The Valeyard to be a biregeneration of the War Doctor to the 9th Doctor, and have Christopher Eccleston play The Valeyard, but that's just a fever dream at this point lol.
The one who waits? The Tyrant, the one version of the Doctor that everyone fears. He's the one version of the Doctor that as no choice but to Rule the galaxy for a thousand years and force a ban one the usage of timetravel, in order for for him to fix history as at that point he/she has seen it all and it is all His-Story, too many people trying to change The Doctor's past.
I do like the full circleness of David's Doctor going from "I don't want to go," to now he gets to stay. Plus, I always lowkey dissatisfied witht he fact that, in-narrative, 10 was only around a couple of years; because they kept tying his age to the series real time and a few years is a drop in the bucket for a character like the Doctor - especially given how old/how long 11 got to stick around. I'm ambivalent about them talking about the Doctor staying in one place, as if it's something he doesn't do; because it undermines or just ignores the fact that he stayed on Trenzalore for a thousand years, he stayed with River for 24 years. When he lost Rory and Amy, he actually did stop traveling for a bit. We don't know how long, but he parked the Tardis above the clouds and stayed there awhile. (I like to think it was part of a plan to see them again. Since he couldn't have the Tardis travel there, he intentionally went far enough back to park the Tardis and wait to catch up to them; and planned to just be with them. But then Clara showed up and it was off to the races).
seeing you two reacting together is so nice!! having watched almost all of your previous reactions via zoom, being caught up to Doctor Who, going into a new era reacting in-person is awesome. love this episode too!
Personally, I'm cool with the bi-generation, as a tri-generation was previous set in a book, The Gallifrey Chronicles. There is suppose to be three Ninth Doctors which exist simultaneously. These three Doctors line up perfectly with Rowan Atkinson (Curse of Fatal Death), Richard E Grant (Scream of the Shalka), and Christopher Eccleston (Series 1). So if RTD could just confirm the tri-generation I would be extremely happy.
So, now there's the Doctor with Donna, the human Doctor with Rose, the newly regenerated Doctor, and technically Jenny is a clone of the Doctor. Perhaps the Doctor and Donna will go to work at U.N.I.T.
My personal theory on the Valeyard is that he is born (grown?) from Tennant's Doctor's severed hand. After all, he's meant to be from between the Doctor's 12th and 13th incarnations, and as was made clear from Mat Smith's last episode, Tennant was actually the 11th AND 12th rather than the 10th, so that would match up there. Bloody hell, that means Tennant has basically played 3 different incarnations of the Doctor now...
I also think that The Toymaker's existence in this reality is what made the bi-generation myth a reality. Like it might have been an old TimeLord myth on Gallifrey, but when the Toymaker was altering reality, it made the impossible possible. Just like when the new Doctor worked out doubling the Tardis. At least that's my idea about it. I just like the fact that we got to spend more time with this Doctor, as apposed to the 1 minute we usually get post-regenerations. I'm liking Ncuti's version already, and the fact we got another fancy doctor like Pertwee. The costumes.......oh, the costumes.....
I loved this episode. Toymaker was amazing. But oh MAN am I conflicted about bigeneration. On one hand, it's a scifi show about a magic immortal space wizard, so regeneration can work however they say it works. But on the other hand...FBKEFKJRBJGNERKJGBKJ that's not how regeneration works! xD Like, I think what bugs me the most about it is RTD said in an interview that bigeneration affected the Doctor's entire timeline, meaning every time the Doctor has regenerated, now theoretically there was a split that created a copy of the old incarnation. He specifically used the word "Doctorverse." And personally I think that's silly, because it's a show about time travel. Every other version of the Doctor is "out there" in a sense already. We don't need to completely rewrite how regeneration works and fill the universe up with these duplicates to do that. I'm HOPING 15's line about doing "rehab out of order" means the duplicates, or even if it really just is 14, are temporary and just a way for the Doctor to deal with their trauma. So in a sense, this copy of 14 will still "become" 15, so to speak. That's at least how I would run with it if I were the next showrunner.
All the UK: "The Doctor's in his pants!"
The US: "The Doctor has no pants on!"
Both my parents as they got older ended up using wheelchairs to go with. Around their apartments they could walk around due to it being short distances, but they didn't have the strength for long distances. So when they went out they used wheelchairs.
But it never ceased to amaze me how often someone would comment if they stood up to get into a vehicle or something about "Why they were using a wheelchair".
People are a-holes, that is why. (actually I don't really believe that... some people are) It's funny/sad how often people confront people for having handicap placards and seemingly being healthy enough. Just stay in your own lane. To quote Roy Kent "that's none of my f'ing business!"
It's got to come from some sort of inferiority complex, right? Like... the fear that someone else is cheating the system and getting one over on them. It sucks.
@@PaulaDeming I usually think that it comes from poor moral beings, whenever I run into someone who first thought is that people are trying to cheat the system, it's because that is the way they think, they would cheat if they thought they could get away with it and so are assuming everyone else is doing exactly that.
That is why I think certain politics think the worse about people, that they are trying to game the system, because they themselves would cheat the system.
@@cardsfanboy kinda like honestly if people were good. i don't think communism or socialism would have any real problems compared to democracy and capitalism. in fact it might eliminate several inefficiencies in the system. unfortunately on the whole people are awful so things don't work
Yeah, I bet Ruth Madeley, the actress who plays Shirley, she has spina bifida and is actually in a wheelchair. She can stand and move around a little with out it but I bet she cops a lot of people saying what was said in the episode.
As a 7th Doctor fan, I love the question-mark sweater - very appropriate for the return of Mel :)
It was even stranger for me, the moment Mel came on I was drinking carrot juice.
I WAS SCREAMING WHEN MEL WAS THERE AND LIKE OMG SEEING HER WITH SHIRLEY WAS EVERYTHING (even if its not hebe who i still think shirley secretly is)
@@Arizonaguy1856 Shirley is almost certainly Hebe in my headcanon
@@alexsimpkin5620 THANK YOUU!!!!!!!!!!!!! when she was like "im shirley" i was like "no?" im hoping big finish does something with that..... UGGHHHH MEL WAS EVEN THERE LIKE RTD WHY WASNT SHE HEBE
@@StevenHouse1980 'Carrot juice! Carrot juice! Carrot juice!' 🥕🥕
My interpretation was that Ncuti had benefitted from Tenants time on Earth with Donna. He said something along the lines of "you fixed yourself, we are doing rehab out of order".
So when Tenant dies in the future, I believe he will regenerate into Ncuti. But then Ncuti's incarnation travels back in time to pop out during the Bi-generation.
That would be an even more insane and contrived thing for Russell to pull out his ass instead of just what’s presented in the episode, because that raises a thousand other questions about how this works and why we’ve literally never heard about it before.
@@Longshanks1690 i assume bc it's a legend and it only came true bc of the toymaker's powers.
But we have heard of something like that before... The Valeyard.
Or because that superstition allowed more than just the toy maker in.
@@iwillcry The Toymaker seemed pretty damn shocked by something that he caused 😂
An hour of Mel and no carrot juice in sight?
Fun fact: The original Toymaker pictured in this episode was played by Michael Gough, most famous for playing Alfred in ‘89 Batman.
Carrot Juice? Carrot Juice???
14 is going to slow down. He's in family therapy. He's decompressing. Unless there is an emergency he will not be going on any big adventures... but maybe some little ones. 😅
I think 14 after the bigeneration lives in some kind of loop and when he dies, he will become 15 in the moment of the bigeneration... Because 15 said "I'm fine because you fixED yourself." So they can't be completely separated entities... :)
This is it, exactly. While we don't understand what bigeneration is, beyond a way for the Doctor to heal some from everything from 9-13 has gone through, RTD has basically confirmed that 14 lives with the Noble-Temple's (presumably for the rest of their lives? Not sure but I love that idea) and at some point in the future, dies. But time motherfuckery (timey-wimey is far too tame considering what an absolute mind-fuck bigeneration is from the perspective of time travel) occurs and the 14th Doctor essentially goes back in time, bigenerates into 15. The 15th Doctor is the 14th, after all the time spent with Donna and her family. Both absurdly confusing and relatively simple to understand. He may not be completely healed, but he lived for quite a while and happily and that's why the 15th is so immediately different and helpful and presumably influenced by his time with Donna and her family.
So no, they're still the same Doctor, confirmed by RTD.
Basically, it's a very soft reboot of the series for the benefit of Disney+ watchers, so they don't have to wade through 62 years of established canon to enjoy the new show on their streaming service. It helps _us_ enter a new era for the Doctor. Personally I thought it was a great move. I know people _hate_ it, but that's just people; unless you're doing things exactly how they prefer they'll always rag on Gatwa for no other reason than their preferences weren't met.
This episode really spiced up my life
I think it did for every boy and every girl.
LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA
When I heard of "bi-regenration", I didn't like the idea at all, thinking it would undermine 15's arrival because RTD can't let go of "his" Doctor. Nevermind 10, Russell's the one who "doesn't want (him) to go".
But I should have trusted him, the execution worked very very well. Ncuti exudes perfect Doctor energy and sass right away, and 14 gets his well-earned reward.
And I can't begin to express how much I loved that perfect moment of self-love. The Doctor comforting the Doctor sent me blubbering.
Now the Doctor is like a Binary Star
it'll be interesting if we get any confirmation of a time loop of sorts as Davids subtitles revert to him being called the Tenth Doctor after the bigeneration.
17:53 First time the “regenerating” doctor gets to immediately see what his next incarnation looks like.
Still not ginger!
I was just pleased that I aren't the only one to remember the fob watch with all the Doctor's pre-Hartnell memories in, because I've not heard any other reviewers mention it but it was the first thing I wondered when he duplicated the TARDIS was to wonder if said watch has been duplicated too?
Since Ncuti got the tie and undies it's cannon... david is commando under those trousers >:D
But surely there were some keks somewhere in the Unit Tower?
15:28 - guess where the phrase "folding up shop" came from ;)
16:18 - your two reactions to something like the Toymaker are perfect. Horror at what it is capable of, and humor at its actions
19:27 - because the Doctor is getting what he has always needed - someone to help him heal
19:37 - imagine whoever gets possessed by the Master also getting a fraction of the Toymaker's powers
21:16 - this was added because a fan wrote to Russell T Davies and mentioned that they would never be able to go into the TARDIS because of their wheelchair
21:42 - Ncuti also was a Doctor Who fan and grew up with Doctor and Donna. Now he gets to be the Doctor.
22:13 - of course there are no pants. The amount of time since we last saw him has been brief.
Anyone else realize that when the bigeneration happened and they split clothes that 15 in his underwear means 14 was going commando for the last third of the episode!
15 got the sandshoes too...
That was my very first thought!
I mean it destroyed my theory that the doctor was always going commando
@@quazz79 I live in Argentina. What does "going commando" mean?
@@cargo71Going commando means not wearing underwear under your clothes.
Yeah, the jumper is bloody amazing. I am sending a screenshot to Sylvester.
The laughter was most of the former Masters and Missy mixed together.
I've rewatched it since (already lol) and definitely caught all of the extra laughter!!
My daughter told me when Mel appeared I couldn't stop grinning for about 5 minutes. But when Ncuti wrapped him up in a big hug and said "I've got you."? That broke me.
17:29 At this moment I had said, “Don’t you dare say ‘I don’t wanna go’!”
The doll at the beginning was genuinly the first thing sent by television.....
All the Masters'/Missy's laughs could be heard in that scene, if you listen carefully
If I had a nickel for everytime the Master's essence was trapped in an object and was picked up by a mysterious woman with red fingernails I'd have two nickels..... Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
19:27 the reason its 'going to make you blubber' is because RTD just pulled off both Steve Moffat and Chris Chibnall's best tricks - a brilliant bit of clever story-writing that's also so understated as to be almost unconscious. With no great fanfare, he just wrote a line where the Doctor is forgiven and reassured by his future self. Imagine how powerful a gift rhat would be for anyone in their own life - if you couldnjump back theough time and tell your younger self 'we get through this' or 'it isn't your fault'.
Stooky Bill still exists.. He's in a museum.
You’re both correct, 14 and his predecessors have retired, 15 begins afresh, without the baggage, from Xmas onwards.
There’s a theory that David Tennant’s doctor goes on to become The Curator from the 50th anniversary special. I could totally see that happening.
I like to think that ncuti's doctor will have the memories of Tennants doctor healing his trauma with Donna (after this episode), which is why ncuti's doctor is so light-hearted and free.
I am guessing the doctor after retirement becomes the great curator.
My theory is that Tennant becomes the first Caretaker and eventually regenerates but can only use the faces he has been before which is why we have Tom Baker's Caretaker in the 50th anniversary.
My theory is 15 is from the future after 14 had his rehabilitation. Once 14 has healed from his trauma etc, he returns to the point of bigeneration and becomes 15. I'd like to think that 14 also will deal with the timeless child stuff by reclaiming their memories and dealing with that. This is why 15 is so chipper, he's recovered from all the past trauma and can start travelling again.
i really liked this 3 part special. it kinda touched on most things to expect from a doctor who season. 1- pure campy energy 2-here is your horror 3-here is your bbeg. can't wait for a ridiculous christmas special.
My head canon is that if 14 regenerates he’ll turn into the Curator.
However some people seem to think that when he regenerates he’ll travel back to this moment and become 15.
So, if that’s the case, that may happen if 14 is brought back into the show.
A third idea is that when they bigenerated, ALL the generations of the Doctor bigeneraated. That’s apparently supposed to tie in with Tales of the TARDIS. Apparently this is from a commentary with RTD someone saw.
I’ll be taking the long way round to find out what actually becomes canon.
I wish that during the splitting in half scene Tennant had pointed to Ncuti’s head and said “still not ginger”, and carried on that running gag…😂
I think that Tennant is about to be the "Great Curator," the one from the 50th anniversary.
I think the Curator will also be the Watcher, which was never properly explored. A Doctor seeing events, without interference and bringing things back to the UNIT museum.
It's interesting how they made the Toymaker being culturally insensitive a character trait, his original outfit and title of "celestial" made him seem like a caricature of an east/asian man. And in this he puts on bad German and French accents and assumes where that man is from.
I grew up with classic Who as a kid in Liverpool,England in the 70's, so i have seen it all, i think it really is brilliant, as a classic Companion, I love this show and always will.
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Don't know if you two have seen them, but fun fact:
The actor who played the original Toymaker was Alfred Pennyworth in the Batman movies starting with Michael Keaton.
Tate & Tennant, you guys would love their chemistry in “Much Ado about Nothing”
And DuckTales!
So the theory I’ve heard is that by The doctor invoking a superstition at the edge of creation, he accidentally created a new law of the universe. “It’s a superstition and it’s real”-So now superstitions, myths, folk lore are all truths. Ncuti says bigeneration is a myth, that’s it not real, and yet it just happened. So going forward we may see more fantastical creatures that wouldn’t ordinarily exist in doctor who.
I don't believe the Toymaker died, he's being stored in the deepest vault underground covered with salt. Close ups of hands have revealed that Kate picked up the tooth containing the Master. Great show! 👍
Just because they both have red nail polish doesn’t mean Kate picked up the tooth
@@TheAppeyes Absolutely true. Yet when looking at the nails they look 100% exactly the same shape and color. So it is possible that we are being tricked for certain.
@@timescales i still think it was the Rani
@@timescalesI also think it was likely Kate, especially with her UNIT spinoff coming.
@@ImmortalBroken Didn't know there was a UNIT spinoff coming but it makes sense. Having the Master in it also makes sense. Good stuff!
Memory restored. Best friend and her family by her side. Job at UNIT. The Toymaker played a game, and Donna Noble won.
I also wonder if 10/14 now retired will eventually become The Curator.
I love Paulas reaction to the regeneration fake out was to curse MOFFAT!
That was odd. Throwing hate at Moffat, even when he has zero to do with the story.
Yeah but of the many many many many wonderful things Moffat brought to the show his over use of the regeneration fake out (first done by RTD in the stolen earth) was not one of them@@NicoleM_radiantbaby
Just hit play and I have to say I LOVE LOVE LOVE the vest
The Toy Maker is basically an evil Q
Q was pretty evil right, from what i remember. Or maybe not evil but the same as the toymaker, good and bad are foreign concepts to them, they just do as they please
We were saying the exact same thing!! When he came in for the dance scene my husband was like, "Oh he's Q!"
I LOVED Ncuti in Sex Education so when we heard he was going to play the Doctor, I was so excited to see him bring his warming love and contagious happiness to the show and his first few scenes already have that. I’m so excited for the future of this show
Being from the same hometown as John Logie Baird, Helensburgh in Scotland - where we even have a Stookie Bill sculpture in our town square - made the opening of this episode an absolute delight.
In a bizarre twist, for years and years I've thought the story of JLB & the invention of telly would make a good subject for a slightly off-kilter comedy docu-drama film/limited series - in which I would've cast David Tenant as JLB. XD
LOVE the outfits!!
Random head-cannon:
This is how Matt Smith winds up meeting an older Doctor in The Day of the Doctor special.
It's Tennant as 14. He stayed. He got old. He became the curator of the museum.
Paula: tries to kiss Shepard. Shepard: access denied
I have to say, that regeneration made me think of Calvin and Hobbes, when Calvin cloned himself so the clone could go to school and do his homework while he sat at home reading comics and watching tv. It didn't end well.
I just adored this episode. David and Catherine are amazing, NPH was just the height of creepy villainy, and Ncuti just OWNED the role from moment one. I can't wait for his run
21:06 The TARDIS is so gonna make him pay for that later. XD
While it is incredibly silly I can't help but love it. The bi-generation gives the old era a nice ending, allowing Ncuti to start completely fresh without any emotional baggage. We acknowledged that 14 is still grieving the Flux, and he'll have the time to process that and all his other losses, while having a happy life with his best friend. Once he has healed emotionally I believe that he'll regenerate into Ncuti as usual, only appearing at Unit HQ. It isn't much different from Clara, who technically died, but got some extra time before returning to her death.
We don't need Ncuti to be burdened by grief, Time War redux. We need a hopeful happy Doctor in this era to inspire the kids, embracing inclusivity and being a fantastic role model. While bigeneration was a spicy controversial choice I firmly belive that some people just need to sit back and enjoy the ride, no matter how silly or campy it gets. Once one starts analyzing and nitpicking, they quickly spiral into negativity, which is the opposite of what we need.
Very much looking forward to more Ncuti Gatwa, what an entrance!
“We need Ncuti to be happy”
And therein lies the problem. 15 has all the exact same experiences and memories as 14 so should still be burdened with all the same trauma. Ehhhh, that’s too inconinconvenient so let’s just pretend 14 gets all of it and 15 gets none of it despite them supposedly being the same character!
It’s lazy, forced and contrived to get the ending Russell wants without any of the supporting writing to get us there.
@@Longshanks1690 I think the implication of "we're Time Lords, we're doing rehab out of sync" is that although 15 has popped out of 14 now, he is still a future incarnation whose personality is after 14, and after any trauma recovery that 14 goes through from now on. So not the exact same memories, but post-healing. It's a bit messy and convenient but it is what it is. (I'm not a huge fan of these specials or the direction they've taken it, but it makes as much sense as anything else over the past 60 years, really.)
@@bobblebardsley Oh how extremely convenient! No, we don’t wanna see how the Doctor gets to that point. He’s just magically over it now, don’t think about it! Also ignore how we went for Toymaker’s hammer like it was an idea he had just then when he actually knew it would 100% work.
Also ignore how Toymaker was incredibly surprised by it if it was all down to him. It works, it makes sense, don’t think about it. 🙃
@@Longshanks1690 Hey I'm with you, I think the absolute biggest crime of convenience in these specials was last week, The Doctor says "if I'm right..." stamps his foot and a freaking golf kart pops up out of the floor. But people said Chibnall's writing was bad. For the smaller details it's just a McGuffin and you can choose to be angry about it or just chalk it up to not having enough run time in the episode to spend on a better explanation. The big stuff, like The Doctor's entire personality/memories, at least they tossed a line in there to explain that away. I have low expectations for the next few years but whatever, if they want to do a happier Doctor after 18 years of him basically being tormented by latent guilt, at least it won't be the same old schtick.
@@Longshanks1690 Yeah, we're going to lose the actual character development of that healing and I think that sucks. (That was one of my fave things about Capaldi's Doctor -- we got to watch his healing and go on an arc with him. With RTD, it's always about a stupid reset button)
Wait a minute. I just thought of something. The Master was dying when he lost his game with the Toymaker. So what’s his regeneration going to look like?
I am choosing to believe Kate gets 14 a fully briefed Unit therapist (or seven).
The first 40 mins or so we're basically perfect for me, but meta-crisis Part 2 included I still really enjoyed it. Landing Ncuti is one of those incredible castings where you'd never have thought of it but the second you hear it, it makes PERFECT sense & it's instantly exciting. I really feel like we're going to move away from the "wacky, fast-talking, hyperactive eccentric" archetype Doctor (as much as I love it), as well as the trauma of New Who Doctors. I want a performance that's as distinctive & fresh as Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker felt in their debut.
Yeah, it's kinda genius really - the classic Doctors were all a bit eccentric but hadn't really suffered _catastrophic_ trauma (some loss, sure, but we all suffer that at some point), then 9 was fresh from the time war, angry and damaged beyond belief, 10 was lonely and regretful, and a bit uncertain of who he was (the time lord victorious was a symptom of desperately looking for meaning in the ashes of everything he once knew), 11 was a chaotic bubbling mess who just kept busy and energetic to avoid having to really stop and process anything, and whenever he had a quiet moment what came out was mostly quiet anger, 12 was grumpy and weary but trying his best to just hold to his ideals despite being so tired that he wanted to finally die for good, then 13 was in denial about all of it, completely closed up in order to survive another lifetime that she didn't really want in the first place, leading to being goofy one moment and emotionally cold and distant the next, and finally 14 is at breaking point, crying out, ready to just crumble in the presence of the one person left who he knows can help. 15 is the rejuvenated Doctor, the one who has worked through their issues and found a fresh lease on life.
It feels like the bigeneration (and potential regeneration timeloop) is a result of the Doctor knowing that 14's purpose wasn't complete and that a long road of healing was still needed, made possible by the weakening of reality caused by a) the toymaker's presence and b) the whole "invoking superstition at the edge of the universe" thing. The more I think about it the more I kinda love the whole thing.
Thank you for so eloquently putting into words my (and many other fans', I gather) feelings.@@mrspiderhead8794
What are the odds that the two of you would be willing to do the Live Action One Piece series on this channel?
Preeeeetty sure it's right up your alley.
I suspect both have seen it already
I've seen the first 3 episodes of the live action! But I originally started the anime first, and now I am just hooked and can't bring myself to finish the live action yet 😂
Not just a shirt. Ncuti was wearing underwear. Which means that Tennant was going commando.
An homage to the Flash Gordon movie from the 1980's at the end there....
The hand from off camera reaching for the tooth, was like the gloved hand taking Ming the Merciless's ring. :)
Thank you.💅
so i looked it up Mel's actress is only a couple years older than David, meaning 1) she was like early 20s when she was companion and 2) david was like a teen, when she was with the 6th and 7th doctors
Paula great to see the Sylvester McCoy pullover.
Now we have 3 Tennant docs out there in the Whoniverse. Rose's, Donna's and 10 in his own time stream.
First off that sweater, I need it. Second, The Giggle might be one of the most S tier episodes of Doctor Who I've seen to date. I cannot tell you how ready I am for Ncuti.
Zingo must be the space equivalent of Uber. 😊
15 is THE Doctor now and will be saving the universe. 14 will be having safe but fun occasional TARDIS adventures while retired lol. I think it was Kate's hand and the Master might actually get reintroduced via the UNIT spinoff before popping over to Who. It was really nice seeing you both get teary when Mel showed up! All other reactions I've seen have been "Old companion? I don't know who this is." And I feel like The One Who Waits being The Valeyard really fits.
A perfect way to honor the past and move into the future.
Have you seen the Doctor Who Comic-Relief special - The Curse of Fatal Death? It's on youtube and predicted/foreshadowed a lot of things that came to be.
Steve Austin, astronaut. A man barely alive. Gentlemen, We Can Rebuild Him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic man. Steve Austin will be that man. Better than he was before. Better. Stronger. Faster."
(Sorry for length. Just thorough with my thoughts is all.)
Two things a view on bigeneration and a theory of who the next big baddy/baddies are.
We really don't know what The Doctor's species (real species not Time Lords that hijacked regeneration from The Doctor) are actually capable of. Bigeneration might be considered a myth because Time Lords getting regenerations past their limit was rare due to them being genetically altered but not the source. The Doctor's species may have unlimited regenerations, with bigeneration being a physical-psychological auto immune response to help cope. Instead of a split personality developing from stress and everything, their immune response is to generate the perfect support, themselves without the baggage, who knows everything and can help them move past it and make changes.
So many ways it could turn out. My guess is that The One Who Waits is Fenric from the older DW. His character is based on one of Lovecraft's Great Old Ones. Lovecraft in DW, all for it! AND, what I hope for most, is it could bring back and tie in Krop Tor from The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit episodes!
The Beast says "this one knows me as I know him. The killer of his own kind." Which could actually be referring to his true kind, not the Time Lords. And it also implies whatever The Beast's kind is, he was and is not the ONLY one. There were/are more. And I think it's what they encountered in Wild Blue Yonder.
The beast speaks about events/beings that trapped them there which happened before time, before THIS universe existed, and The Doctor can't believe it.
TB: Before light and time and space and matter. Before the cataclysm. Before THIS universe was created.
TD: That's impossible. No life could have existed back then.
TB: Is that YOUR religion?
TD: It's a belief.
TB: You know nothing. All of you. So Small.
Trapped before the universe was created. When the cataclysm/universe was created, TB's prison was given structure and form governed by the laws of the universe in which the prison was enveloped. Light, time, space, matter, but still powerful and capable of influence. The beings of the Wild Blue Yonder are The Beast's kind.
I love that Mel never screamed! ❤
And even with all that spinning, she didn't sprain her ankle either! 💃
Actually there is a spin off series with the Doctors daughter called "Jenny". Its an audio drama featuring the actual actress who played Jenny you know David Tennent's wife. Check out Big Finish Productions who have produced audio dramas with the actual actors from the original series from Doctor 4 Tom Baker to Doctor 8 Paul McGann. Plus some spin-off series. They are amazingly great it's a full production.
In the original run the wanted to introduce the toy makers sister. Who has powers like him. I think that was her hand
I believe it was explained that Ncuti is basically just the future Doctor pulled into the past
No it was not. 😂
That’s a fan theory to try and justify what doesn’t make sense about his character.
@@Longshanks1690someone wasent paying attention 😂😂😂😂
@@marcusgirling I was paying attention and I'm confused too. Can you tell me where it was explained in story?
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby so right at the end the 15th says to the 14th you fixed your self because I’m fixed or something along those lines basically saying that what the doctors needs to be happier that’s when the 15h doctor comes in, so initially the 14th doctor would take some time off to heal then change into the 15th but the toy maker comes into play, so there’s a rumour going around online that the 14th doctor changed to early and due to toy makers powers the 15th got pulled out of him 14th kept his body while also keeping his 15th body so it’s like the 10th and 11th coexisting in one time there also other leaks that in season 3 or 4 that the current doctor will be bought back into his time stream to the point where 14th will have a normal regeneration into the 15th but that will have to wait and see about that, there the same with the same memories but both at different time periods as they stated that the 15th is older than the 14th so I can believe that.
So yes there’s been leaks that the future doctor gets pulled back into he past hence we see the bigeneration and when season 3 or 4 happens u will see the 15th get pulled back into like a loop and change normally and defeat the toy maker because he already know how to defeat him but take it as a pinch or salt but way I see it this is where it going
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby and also excuse me if I just made it more confusing for you it’s more if you get it you get it if you don’t u will find click on bout season 3 or 4 apparently
Yeah, my guess for the bi-generation is that it’s a closed time loop. So, Fourteen lives with the Nobles for as long as he wants, gets all the help & time that he needs to fully recover from all of his past trauma, and when he finally regenerates into Fifteen properly, the time-warp that was caused by the Toymaker’s presence causes Fifteen to loop back to the moment when they split. That explains Fifteen’s “I’m better because you fix yourself; we’re doing rehab out of order” line, why his new TARDIS is more advanced than Fourteen’s existing one, and why Fifteen is older than Fourteen despite the fact that they should be the same age if they’d just split in two.
15 says, 'We're Times Lords, we do therapy out of order', I'm wondering if 14 will re join with 15 when he dies
It’s appropriate that bi-generation has split fans. I don’t mind it, and considering how long the Doctor has lived and how many times they regenerated during their existence, a random mutation like that is a cool sci-fi idea.
Yup, makes sense, plus it doesn't really change the universe since there's already so many copies of The Doctor in his different regenerations running around the same time periods..lol, I have a feeling the Tardis tries to keep them separate otherwise there's no way they wouldn't constantly be running into each other.
@markfuston2714 Exactly! I genuinely don't get the criticism that there's 2 of them in a show about time travel. The Lazarus Experiment and The Eleventh Hour both take place in 2008, despite neither being released in that year: both the Tenth and the Eleventh Doctors were on Earth in the same year. It's literally no different to this. Same with Dalek and The Power of Three: 9th and 11th Doctors both on Earth in the same year. No different to this.
I like the line "there's no such thing", which is a quick dig at 'fans' who'd say the same thing - and by explaining it as a myth means it's not a new concept to the Doctor and something you can't complain about not being mentioned before.
Ya, I also like the idea that maybe it was because of The Toymaker too..like, maybe him being there and altering our dimension and the rules of reality and play allowed 14 to kinda "break the rules" and do his healing out of order the way 15 said, split and allow 15 to be there to help him with The Toymaker and whatever The One That Waits is..lol, but also allow 14 to remain there and be able to heal and finally get a time to just breath.@@manticore5733
I'm waiting to see how it pans out. I don't hate it.
I didn't realise until this reaction that when they won the final game David's Doctor claimed his prize and then Ncuti claimed his to get the second TARDIS. At the time it seemed like a made up convenience but now I see it was fair - Ncuti had yet to claim his prize for also winning the game and the Toymaker's effects still remained in play until he claimed it: two winners = two prizes.
Love the Sylvester McCoy jumper!
Maybe "The One Who Waits" is Captain Jack? That was one of RTD's first characters. He has definitely been known to wait for a while. It would also be a shocker to see him as a villain after being left by The Doctor so much.
Or maybe Me (Ishildur)? She waited until the end of the Universe.
New main set, three returning characters with Kate, Donna and Mel and three new archetype characters introduced through specials 1 and 3 for a core cast of 6. This was a backdoor UNIT pilot.
I think this is how we get the Curator from the 50th. He's revisiting some old faces
It’s exactly like when the Doctor trapped the little girl in all the mirrors. Except instead of being trapped in all mirrors, the doll head was burned into the first television screen, and everyone created after it. 😊
The Gallifrey Gals. Presented by Kat, Paula AND SHEP! (I adored Kat giving Shep a snoot kiss!) This is probably one of the greatest Wibbly Wobbly reactions we ever had! Your reactions were perfect.
I see some people are saying the Timeless child scenario has been got rid of due to the toymaker saying he messed with the Doctors past? I aint got a clue anymore 😂😂😂
Love you two BEAUTIFUL SOULS
Going back slowly the only person in those bigeneration scene that has red nails is: Kate Lethbridge-Stewart.
I didn't really have any expectations about Gatwa's doctor (aside from being, yk, _the Doctor_ ) since I didn't know the actor before this, but I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed.
A new Doctor's first episode is always a bit challenging, but coming in alongside/after _David Tennant,_ who is (I think it's fair to say) the most popular Doctor of New Who, is a tall order for anyone.
But he charmed me immediately. His energy is just infectious and he's so very... Doctor-y. But the Doctor when they're not weighed down by several metric fucktons of fresh trauma. Just the Doctor on their best days, when it's just about running around, seeing things, saving the day and having fun (15 will have his more serious moments of course, and we got a little bit of that this episode, but overall he was very... light.).
And I for one can't wait to see more of him.
But it makes so much sense. It explains the Curator, and the Doctor in hiding(sorry can’t remember which episode it was…she had a TARDIS buried in her garden). I love how this leaves it open for a U.N.I.T. Spin-off or a specials where they all need to team up. I’m thinking that the idea of not being able to regenerate…
The Fugitive Doctor (or the Ruth Doctor), from the episode Fugitive of the Judoon, episode 5, series 12. Fun episode.
@@JekyViews THANK YOU!
RTD has found a NEW way to do what Dr Who has done several times before anyway....the multiple Doctor stories....bring em on
I really hope "the one who waits" is The Valeyard. I would absolutely love for some kind of byproduct of the biregeneration to cause a dark version of the Doctor, or simply the Master (or someone else) creates the dark Doctor to defeat the real Doctor.
I would LOVE for The Valeyard to be a biregeneration of the War Doctor to the 9th Doctor, and have Christopher Eccleston play The Valeyard, but that's just a fever dream at this point lol.
Ncuti has great energy. I can't wait. My eight-year-old is more excited about the Christmas special than she is about Christmas at this point.
The one who waits? The Tyrant, the one version of the Doctor that everyone fears. He's the one version of the Doctor that as no choice but to Rule the galaxy for a thousand years and force a ban one the usage of timetravel, in order for for him to fix history as at that point he/she has seen it all and it is all His-Story, too many people trying to change The Doctor's past.
It's Kate Stewart who picks up the gold tooth. Nobody else we see in that scene has red nails.
I do like the full circleness of David's Doctor going from "I don't want to go," to now he gets to stay. Plus, I always lowkey dissatisfied witht he fact that, in-narrative, 10 was only around a couple of years; because they kept tying his age to the series real time and a few years is a drop in the bucket for a character like the Doctor - especially given how old/how long 11 got to stick around.
I'm ambivalent about them talking about the Doctor staying in one place, as if it's something he doesn't do; because it undermines or just ignores the fact that he stayed on Trenzalore for a thousand years, he stayed with River for 24 years. When he lost Rory and Amy, he actually did stop traveling for a bit. We don't know how long, but he parked the Tardis above the clouds and stayed there awhile. (I like to think it was part of a plan to see them again. Since he couldn't have the Tardis travel there, he intentionally went far enough back to park the Tardis and wait to catch up to them; and planned to just be with them. But then Clara showed up and it was off to the races).
As Twelve, he also spend quite a few decades a professor at the university he met Bill at. It's not like he's not taken breaks.
seeing you two reacting together is so nice!! having watched almost all of your previous reactions via zoom, being caught up to Doctor Who, going into a new era reacting in-person is awesome. love this episode too!
Personally, I'm cool with the bi-generation, as a tri-generation was previous set in a book, The Gallifrey Chronicles. There is suppose to be three Ninth Doctors which exist simultaneously. These three Doctors line up perfectly with Rowan Atkinson (Curse of Fatal Death), Richard E Grant (Scream of the Shalka), and Christopher Eccleston (Series 1). So if RTD could just confirm the tri-generation I would be extremely happy.
Somehow, I doubt it. He's gone on record as HATING the Shalka!Doctor, which is sad because tbh I like Shalka!Nine more than Eccleston's Nine.
So, now there's the Doctor with Donna, the human Doctor with Rose, the newly regenerated Doctor, and technically Jenny is a clone of the Doctor. Perhaps the Doctor and Donna will go to work at U.N.I.T.
With the Doctor being split, this could mean that the 14th Doctor can become the Curator, or even the Valeyard.
My personal theory on the Valeyard is that he is born (grown?) from Tennant's Doctor's severed hand. After all, he's meant to be from between the Doctor's 12th and 13th incarnations, and as was made clear from Mat Smith's last episode, Tennant was actually the 11th AND 12th rather than the 10th, so that would match up there.
Bloody hell, that means Tennant has basically played 3 different incarnations of the Doctor now...
@@stephenhumphreys9149 FOUR, if RTD's universal biregeneration thing is correct. We are WAAAAY too saturated with Tennant Doctor's now.
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby Well, in the nicest possible way, hopefully we've seen the last of him now. A well deserved retirement :-)
@@stephenhumphreys9149 Agree.
I also think that The Toymaker's existence in this reality is what made the bi-generation myth a reality. Like it might have been an old TimeLord myth on Gallifrey, but when the Toymaker was altering reality, it made the impossible possible. Just like when the new Doctor worked out doubling the Tardis.
At least that's my idea about it. I just like the fact that we got to spend more time with this Doctor, as apposed to the 1 minute we usually get post-regenerations. I'm liking Ncuti's version already, and the fact we got another fancy doctor like Pertwee. The costumes.......oh, the costumes.....
Kat got a point, the toy maker says when the master was dying, the John simm master was dying cause missy shot him,
Sasha was dying the last time we saw him too
@@bemasaberwyn55 I really hope it's either dhawan's master or missy if they bring back an old face.
@@iwillcry they says master not missy
I loved this episode. Toymaker was amazing. But oh MAN am I conflicted about bigeneration. On one hand, it's a scifi show about a magic immortal space wizard, so regeneration can work however they say it works. But on the other hand...FBKEFKJRBJGNERKJGBKJ that's not how regeneration works! xD Like, I think what bugs me the most about it is RTD said in an interview that bigeneration affected the Doctor's entire timeline, meaning every time the Doctor has regenerated, now theoretically there was a split that created a copy of the old incarnation. He specifically used the word "Doctorverse." And personally I think that's silly, because it's a show about time travel. Every other version of the Doctor is "out there" in a sense already. We don't need to completely rewrite how regeneration works and fill the universe up with these duplicates to do that. I'm HOPING 15's line about doing "rehab out of order" means the duplicates, or even if it really just is 14, are temporary and just a way for the Doctor to deal with their trauma. So in a sense, this copy of 14 will still "become" 15, so to speak. That's at least how I would run with it if I were the next showrunner.