Finally! Game Changing File Transfer, on the Amiga?

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  • Mini Build project to connect Amiga 500/600/1200 to ZIP100 Drive.
    Shop links and driver can be found here ... hackbuildresto...
    Now available from the HBR store ... hackbuildresto...
    project on PCBWay ...
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    #amiga #zipdrive #hbr
    I have sent a kit to ‪@CRG‬ so he may choose to give it a go too :)
    Use of a parallel port Iomega ZIP 100 Drive on an Amiga 500 / 500+ / 600 / 1200 is not straight forward as it would seem. Join me as I build a solution based on a 22 year old piece of innovation from Bruce Abbott.
    This genius device allows the use of a parallel ZIP100 drive, and bridges the incompatibility gap with the Amiga's printer port by using additional signaling from the joystick port.
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  • @richiegoldfish
    @richiegoldfish 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a parallel port one be good if you could by the adapter pre made with the required software.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In theory you can, there is a link to the project on PCBWay in the description they do offer an assembly service, all you would need then is a 9pin joystick extension and the software is available on aminet... If you are in the UK I could sell you one assembled I guess, wasn't expecting there to be a market lol

    • @krisvantuerenhout537
      @krisvantuerenhout537 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore I would like to buy one . So people can ask : Why ? And I can say : because it can :-) What's the price of such a build ?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where are you based? I have enough to build a few I think, I don't have joystick extensions though... Didn't really expect to sell them...

    • @stathissim
      @stathissim 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also have a parallel port one and an Amiga 600 which I sadly have no way of copying software onto it. I would also buy one pre-made if available!

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shop is now up on hackbuildrestore.com/store

  • @ScoopexUs
    @ScoopexUs 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    About 15 years ago I just connected a SCSI Zipdrive to my Amiga, and had an IDE Zipdrive in my PC. No drivers needed Amiga side, and readily available drivers PC side. The parallel port version is very slow. There should be drivers for it already from back then. Currently my solution for file transfers Amiga-Amiga is to just have a single CF card, and use the CF card with the Amiga I want to use ATM. This also works well in WinUAE and you can transfer file to PC folders. CF is not removable media on the Amiga end, though.
    Right now, the parallel MicroSD card adapter looks good for not opening or modding the case, but I'm using something even better: Ethernet. Nothing to eject or insert.
    But one thing doesn't exclude the other, of course. You can have CF, Ethernet, and parallel port devices!

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for watching. I run SCSI Zip drive on my Amiga 2000, use Blue SCSI for main boot and ZZ9000 for Ethernet (Could use blue SCSI too thanks to @RobSmithDev) internal Compact Flash in my 500+ with parallel ZIP solution as shown, which is faster than you think given period alternatives, it's faster than parallel ethernet :) but you do loose a joystick port.

  • @CRG
    @CRG 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fantastic work, looking forward to building mine and thanks again for sending it.

  • @EXITMUSIC2011
    @EXITMUSIC2011 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved mine. I had a few one in my Akai sampler. Never had a days trouble

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for sharing your positive experience! It's always encouraging to hear when someone has had a trouble-free time.

  • @pkf4124
    @pkf4124 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is exactly why I squirrelled away a few IDE, parallel and USB ZipDrives. Its a real shame my friend killed my scsi one when he plugged it into his PC parallel port.going to have to make one or two of these.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you found it useful, I'll be interested in hearing how it goes for you!

  • @bigd5090
    @bigd5090 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done! I use two SCSI units and one ATAPI/IDE unit on the Amiga side and an USB one on the PC/Mac side!

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you :) I have a SCSI drive, thanks to @CRG, will be looking to cover that in the mix too at some point :)

    • @bigd5090
      @bigd5090 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore I would love an external 250GB SCSI Zip and a 250MB internal IDE Zip so all of mine would then be 250MB Zip compatible!

  • @stevvieb
    @stevvieb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I still have my IDE zip drive in my Towered A1200 with Zorro slots and a blizard 1260.It truely was a game changer.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for watching! I was looking at some towered A1200 systems on evilBay only last night :), they look to be a nice alternative to an 4000t !! I don't have any AGA machines yet... I do have a ZIP250 and ZIP750 in the internal IDE form, just I lack an IDE controller in my A2000. I do, however, have an external SCSI ZIP100 I plan to try that on the A2000 at some point... soon!

  • @janwiersma1449
    @janwiersma1449 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    lol, just bought some par zip's drives by mistake, along with a scsi zip drive a few weeks ago. now I can use those also. thanks!
    subbed right away. superb.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, glad you found it valuable!

  • @mikehamilton6259
    @mikehamilton6259 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great work 🎉 I wish something like this could be done for the N64 or 64dd

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, not sure what expansion options are available on the N64. I wouldn't have thought anything close to a parallel port was even considered... There are some "ever cart" solutions that allow file transfer from what I understand, but not a platform I'm familier with.

  • @cowasakiElectronics
    @cowasakiElectronics 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had all three ZIP drives and the 250 Mb version. They were great :). Their tape drive was a bit flaky though :). Good luck with the channel.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had a ZIP drive of some description in every computer from 1996 through 2007 :) Thanks for the support!

  • @GadgetUK164
    @GadgetUK164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Subbed =D I didn't know you had a channel until seeing your mention on Glens 10,000 subs video!

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm the "new" old boy on the block :)

    • @bamdadkhan
      @bamdadkhan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      who's Glen? more amiga content is always appreciated : )

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glen in @CRG Casual Retro Gamer www.youtube.com/@CRG

    • @bamdadkhan
      @bamdadkhan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hackbuildrestore cheers, subbed : )

  • @lurkerrekrul
    @lurkerrekrul 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was lucky enough to have a GVP hard drive for my A500. It had a SCSI port on the back and the only thing I needed to do to the Zip drive was set the termination. For that point on, it was just like using a big floppy drive. It even sensed disk changes and mounted the new disk without me having to do anything. In order to format the disks, I believed I used GVP prep and then just formatted them, but it has been quite a few years.
    Later on, I got a used A2000 with Commodore's SCSI card in it. It was a drastic change from the GVP. For starters, I couldn't even figure out how to format a disk. It's been so long that I've forgotten the commands, but I seem to recall that there was a reboot required, which wiped out whatever you had just done. Even my friend didn't know how to do it with just Commodore's software. He told me to download a program called SCSI Mounter, which did the trick. Of course, it had to be used whenever you swapped disks, since the Commodore card didn't automatically detect disk changes.
    Oh, did I mention I had TWO Zip power supplies just die on me? The first one died after I unplugged it, moved the drive and then plugged it back in. The second died after being unplugged for a few days. Iomega replaced both. My drive also clicks (shutter opening and closing), but it never corrupted a disk.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching... Amiga SCSI experience depends on the cards firmware more than the card, I have a GVP Accelerator with SCSI in my A2000 very happy with that. The Commodore cards varied but depending on driver / firmware where just as capable. As to power supplies, and drives electronics manufacture in the 90s was a bit wild west.

    • @lurkerrekrul
      @lurkerrekrul 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hackbuildrestore To be honest, my experiences with Commodore hardware in the Amiga era left me a little disillusioned. Besides the SCSI card, the A2000 also had a Commodore made 020 board. The board worked fine, but being an 020 board, a lot of games wouldn't run. How do you disable it? By holding down a mouse button while booting, and it's only disabled until you next reboot. What's the problem? Holding a mouse button while booting is also the method used by the Kickstart switcher, and which also resets upon the next boot. Using PAL mode also requires you to reboot, but holding a mouse button while doing so will bypass the PAL boot. This severely limited my games compatibility.
      My first A500 developed a fault where it would crash if you bumped it, or even if you typed too hard on the keyboard. Experimenting with it open, I discovered that pressing on the center of the motherboard would cause it to crash. I'm not an electronics expert, but I examined the board as best I could and I didn't see any cracks or bad solder joints.
      My second A500, which was used, also developed a crashing problem. In that case, it was a bad solder joint on the power supply connector. Luckily, that was an easy fix.
      I not only had the GVP for the A500, but also a Supra 8MB RAM expander, a Supra Turbo 28 accelerator, and a kickstart switcher that STAYED switched. I LOVED this setup! I got the benefit of a much faster CPU while also being able to make pretty much any configuration needed for games. Unfortunately the RAM expander developed a problem, which I'm kind of , sort of blaming on Commodore (as well as myself).
      Commodore made peripherals designed to plug into the A500's side expansion slot had a plate that was designed to slide under the A500's case. I guess this was supposed to provide some kind of support if someone picked the system up with the device attached. Regardless, pretty much all companies followed this design. Unfortunately, the plates on these devices only side under the A500 itself, not each other. So when you stack multiple devices on the side, putting the plates under the next one causes stress on the connectors. I should have just cut those damn plates off, or taken the cases off, but I didn't. The RAM expander was already slightly damaged when I got it used, and over time it got worse. I tried to repair the connections, but my soldering skills aren't the greatest. Even though everything looked OK, it didn't work. And without the extra RAM, the Turbo 28 didn't make any difference. That was when I got the A2000 from a friend and started using that.
      Oh, and probably not Commodore's fault directly, as I'm sure they probably bought them from someone else, but I saw multiple Amiga floppy drives develop the problem where they don't detect when a disk has been inserted, or they think you ejected it right in the middle of something. The culprit was always those little pin switches on the lower left of the drive opening, which get pushed down by the disk. I took one of those components apart once and the contacts are TINY. You could balance them on the head of pin. Putting it back together after cleaning them was a royal PITA! For what it's worth, neither of my third party floppy drives ever had this problem.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It wasn't just CBM it was just hardware in the 80s and 90s lol PCs were just as bad. The early big box Amigas were very well designed (compared to other machines of the period) I remember many issues on PCs with ISA card compatibility due to no standard bus speed... 😜 The A500 was expandable to a point but as it had no buster chip meaning multiple side cart compatibility would depend on the use of interrupts and DMA. The drives were just bad but if cleaned regularly were "OK" ... Never had an issue with PAL switching being in the UK 😉

    • @lurkerrekrul
      @lurkerrekrul 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore The only problem my C64 ever had was a blown fuse, and that was my fault. I had made a dongle to run an uncracked copy of Leaderboard Golf, which plugged into the cassette port. I just sawed off a connector and left the end open, so when I plugged it in blind, it shorted some of the pins. A new fuse and it was as good as new. I had a Datassette in the beginning (because I didn't know any better, and didn't know how much tapes sucked), and one day I accidentally knocked that braided metal cable into the user port. It crashed the machine, but it was fine after I cycled the power.
      The only problem I ever had with my 1541 drive was one really hot summer night, it started reporting errors on all my disks. I wedged a piece of cardboard in the last ventilation slot and angled it forward, then aimed a small fan at it. After 10-15 minutes, the drive was working normally again. I left the fan blowing on it until I shut it off for the night.
      Like ten years ago, I found two C64 power bricks in the trash. As I didn't then know their reputation for failing and frying computers, I plugged them into another C64 I had (mine as packed away), and they both worked. I also found 1702 and 2002 monitors in the trash around the same time, and they both worked great.
      BTW, "trash" is "bulk trash pickup". Twice a year, the city will haul away for free, almost anything you put on the curb. People use these periods to clean out their closets, attics, basements, etc. It's about 75-80% trash and 20-25% usable stuff. I've found working laptops, DVD movies with the shrinkwrap still on them, bicycles, keyboards (computer and musical), and all sorts of stuff. The only downside is that scrap dealers take all the metal if they get to it first, and cut the cords off everything for the copper.
      When my A500 setup was working properly, I had the A500, 8MB expander, Turbo 28, and the GVP drive. The accelerator could be toggled with a switch, even when the Amiga was on. I used to love showing people the dramatic difference in Wing Commander when I flipped that switch. I usually left it on, as I don't think it ever interfered with any games, even non-DOS European ones. I would have put RAM in the GVP, but it didn't support 2MB SIMMS. Only 4 x 1MB or 2 x 4MB. I didn't want to downgrade to just 4MB, and the 2MB ones were ridiculously expensive.
      I kept my drives clean, but those damn little pin switches always gave me problems. Each one is a plunger and under each one in the "box" is a spring and a set of contacts. The base of each plunger is maybe 4-5MM, hollow and with a notch on one side. Inside that base is a tiny little "U" shaped piece of brass or copper. It's maybe 2-3mm long, maybe 1mm tall, and probably about 0.25mm thick. It sits in the base, so that the opening of the "U" faces the notch. When the plunger is pushed down by the disk, the ends of the "U" connect the two contacts in the base. The total contact area is probably 0.5mm. The tiniest bit of oxidation and the connection becomes unreliable. Basically the same reason virtually all mice today develop that damn double-click problem. Now imagine trying to get two of those suckers to stay in the bases of the plungers while you put the springs back in place and try to snap the whole thing back together. I only ever did it once!
      Here in the U.S.A., we had to use PAL mode to run a lot of pirated games, otherwise they had severe glitches or refused to run at all. On the other hand, a lot of American made software was hard drive installable, something that was virtually unheard of for UK and European software developers. So there's that. ;)

  • @drzeissler
    @drzeissler 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use the SCSI Zipdrive on my A2000 connected to the SCSI controller.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching! I have a SCSI ZIP 100 on my Amiga 2000 too 😀

  • @paulpsomiadis5847
    @paulpsomiadis5847 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Enjoyed the awesome video - but not sure what frame rate the parts where you are speaking to the audience are playing at, as it’s giving me a headache 😢

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching, and glad you liked it... I sorry you had a bad experience with parts of the recording, its the first time I have recorded on my laptop, thanks for the feedback and I will check my settings!!

    • @paulpsomiadis5847
      @paulpsomiadis5847 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore it’s cool, although I did notice your overhead cam has good frame rate, so maybe whatever those settings are - that would also be good for other bits of the video :-)

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Recorded on a completely different computer, so it may just be the laptop hasn't got the horsepower to do the job properly, or something is set very differently ... I will sort it out for the next time I'm "On Camera" :) Good to know the other shots are OK... If you can watch the ZZ9000 video without any issue that uses the same camera but on my desktop. Thanks again for the feedback, invaluable!

  • @DeadCat-42
    @DeadCat-42 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use a zip drive on my Atari St to move files. Works greatmn

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool, I will be using one on my Atari ST too!!

    • @DeadCat-42
      @DeadCat-42 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore Use the small GEM (33 meg) partitions for windows comparability. Linux mounts them just fine (don't use AUTO mode in fstab use FLUSH instead or access will be really SLOOOOOW.)

  • @VectrexForever
    @VectrexForever 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The SyQuest drives were much better than the Iomega ones, SyQuest was making these kinds of drives long before Iomega. I still have my SyQuest EZ 135 MB Drive. Later on I got a 2GB Castlewood ORD drive.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its a bit of a VHS/Betamax story to be honest, yes SyQuest had platter disk drives at the time Iomega released the ZIP100, but at a much lower capacity and speed, they didn't release the EZ135, which was set to compete with the ZIP drive, until 1996 (2 years later) and the other contender from 3M was the LS120 SuperDisk but that didn't hit until 1997. I suppose Iomega just proved you can win the race with a lame horse if it has a 2 year head start!

  • @elmariachi5133
    @elmariachi5133 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I dreamt of a swapable disk like the ZIP all through the 80s .. when it finally came to the market I had an CD burner.. ZIP was useless because it was way too late and didn't even find widespread adoption :(

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching, IMO the advantage of ZIP was cost and re-use while CD-R suffered with compatibility issues when introduced in early 90s and the same to a degree with CDRW in late 90s; ZIP and later JAZZ did have a place even if it was shorter lived than iomega expected. The sweet spot was, I think, 1994 to 2000 it was eventually killed along with optical drives by USB Storage. I had Optical and ZIP drives in PCs well into the 2000s, I use ZIP for the convenience of a floppy, writing CDs even now is cumbersome at best and isn't as fast for a few MB of files.

  • @Renville80
    @Renville80 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Probably a more elegant solution than StarCommander and a trusty 1541 was back in the day...

  • @imqqmi
    @imqqmi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I used to own a parallel port one but unfortunately I've thrown it out some years ago. I do still own an pata/ide one though. Not much use with just one. But I'll hold on to it, I might find a drive for cheap one day.

  • @brunosouza2918
    @brunosouza2918 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    》I still have my parallel version operating well here in Brazil.

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo668 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Zip and Jaz drives were great, until ...click......click....click.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for watching!.. True, but out of 10s of drives I have, only one exhibits click of death. Never heard of JAZ drives suffering this fait, that would be worth some investigation... can't find my 1GB Jaz though. 😀

    • @Pablo668
      @Pablo668 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore We had both Zip and Jaz drives here, Mum was/is a bit of a tech addict. I might be remembering wrong.

  • @RetroFox
    @RetroFox 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The one question I had hoped you would cover in this vid - can you load and run games directly from the ZIP using this device on the Amiga 500 and can you install games from floppy to it? Further, since it uses the joystick port, I'm assuming there may be an issue playing a game with a joystick while this device is plugged in/in use?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Think you have sort of answered your own question, I have experienced with protracker on zip this does give space for samples so on and makes it simpler to then pick up and backup on PC... Playing games would be possible for those that don't have a need for joystick big point and click adventures would be a possible use case if you had a zip drive but no HD

  • @pikewerfer
    @pikewerfer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice work

  • @NightSprinter
    @NightSprinter หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So curious, how long did it take to transfer the 2MB version of Worms from the ZIP to the A500+?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not that long, speed wise depending on the spec of your amiga the zip drive is 2-3 x faster transfer than a floppy disk. As for exact timing I'm not sure but at Kickstart 02 Expo I was copying 2-3Mb MP3 files from ZIP to Ram Disk in about 30s, I think; could even be way less than that :)

  • @genenorton2880
    @genenorton2880 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video and uploading to pcbway. I have a few zip drives and a few Amigas and I need some soldering practice before tackling larger projects. Do you have a supplier for the parts that you recommend?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching, glad you liked it. There is nothing really special about any of the components they are all quite widely available, availability is quite good on eBay, if you're in the UK I did put links in the components section for the D-Sub connectors www.switchelectronics.co.uk

    • @genenorton2880
      @genenorton2880 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore in US. Trying to build on the cheap .... might have to order those connectors from China and wait....

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ali Express is an option but geared more towards volume orders than one of... Hope it goes well, there is an adf file for download on my website with the driver, if that helps once you have it built...

  • @jeffystreet
    @jeffystreet 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Maybe it's because I'm a tad too modern and have yet to even see an Amiga in person, but why not use an SD card adapter? Smaller, quicker speeds, still works on modern devices... Granted I'm unsure if an SD adapter for Amiga computers even exists (and Ii mean full size SD cards, not mini or micro) but still. Zip disks are a wonderful option sure but they aren't being made anymore which means not everyone with an amiga can get them.. Though I guess you can't replace the nice mechanical charm they have with flash media, either..

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for watching, and all valid points. You can get flash to work internally but that would mean constantly removing it then booting it in an emulator to transfer files... It's the quick transfer of data too big for a floppy like os update / installer alongside your HD / flash solution. In fact the A500+ in the video is 68030 @50Mhz accelerated with 8Gb compact Flash internally 😀

    • @jeffystreet
      @jeffystreet 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hackbuildrestore Wait, there's no way to mount and use flash media (SD card, compact flash, etc) on the outside of the Amiga like a floppy disk? Seriously?! That's just insane, and honestly does give the ioAmiga a lot more of a reason to exist in my eyes then, but still, WTF? Plus how would the zip disk work on both the Amiga and a modern Windows machine? Do both just understand FAT16 or something, or does the Amiga somehow understand FAT32?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're willing to cut holes or dangle cables I guess you could externally expose a compact flash disk, it's a bit easier on a 1200; but you still have to spin it up in emulation to copy files over 880Kb... FAT has been around since 1980 ish, and yes the amiga can read FAT :) being from 1984-1994 depending on the model. Amiga OS 3.2.2.1 was released last year and contains drivers for DOS file systems (with Windows 9x long filename support) and FAT32 drivers too, not used them though. The disk used in the video is just a standard ZIP100PC FAT disk. Hay this solved the problem I had, and makes my life a little simpler, if it helps others great! If you don't like it or think it's stupid that's ok too 😀

    • @jeffystreet
      @jeffystreet 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore That's still rather odd.. From what I've seen many older computers can use a flash disk externally through an adapter (which would make it seem like a floppy drive to the computer over SCSI or parallel) but, honestly, as long as the zip disks work, they work I guess. It isn't stupid to me at all (besides the seemingly odd limitation that there's no way to mount an external flash disk on an amiga without hardware mods, and you can't format it as FAT/FAT16/FAT32?), just seems like the best solution for now.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You have to bare in mind the Amiga was demoed in 1984 same year as the apple Macintosh was released, yet the amiga was colour and capable of stereo sound at a 38Khz sample rate way ahead of the time including the multi-tasking graphical OS. To boot it uses it's own file system and partition system so to have a disk you can boot from it does so from a format that can't be read by a PC or mac, for data transfer it can read double density PC floppy disks, but native amiga disks can't be read by a PC without specialist hardware (Drawbridge or grease wesel) you can use a gotek to emulate a floppy drive that uses USB storage but still has the 880K disk size limitation. Scsi is only on board in a 3000. An ide interface is internal on 600/1200/4000 scsi is an option on big box amigas with expansion slots 1000/2000/3000/4000, the 600 and 1200 have PCIMCA which brings some options... but the 500 and 500+ that most people associate with "amiga" internal and external storage options are limited especially if your on a budget... There are side car expansions but these are rare and expensive, however, they can provide SCSI, networking or graphics expansion. A cheap scsi / USB solution would make an excellent future project!

  • @YarblekRW
    @YarblekRW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My external Zip drive has waited a long time for this. I see that PCB-Way has a 5 board minimum. Is there somewhere to order 1 board or do you mind if people sell extras?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was contemplating selling some kits or complete boards, there is a poll in my community tab which looks like there are enough people interested for me to do an initial offering if you're also interested? I'm not sure where folks are based so postage is unknown. I think I can provide every thing except the joystick extension for a reasonable amount assembled or as a kit 😀

    • @YarblekRW
      @YarblekRW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore I am in Oregon and a kit would be awesome. It lets you provide it without the time consuming assembly which feels like a win win...

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll have a look at what shipping will cost...

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just shipping looking like $20, not an accurate estimate, and I'll see if there are cheaper options...

    • @YarblekRW
      @YarblekRW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore I've used PirateShip for great discounts.

  • @tedtester2794
    @tedtester2794 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    when you speak to the camera the video looks like its dropping to 20fps

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for feeding back! You're not the first to comment on something to that effect. I think my laptop struggled during capture... Lesson learned :)

  • @kirishima638
    @kirishima638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was using Zip 100 drives for exactly this purpose 10 years ago, when they weren’t STUPID prices on eBay. It was just a logical replacement for floppies and failing hard drives.
    This is not new or game changing.
    Since then we’ve had multiple SSD solutions including Pi SCSI and BlueSCSI.
    I’ve had several of these Zip drives just fail on me for no apparent reason as well.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching, I am sorry you didn't enjoy the video, or find the content valuable. My point was really that the zip drive is still usable on modern hardware as well as most vintage machines. To your point not everyone has scsi or ide on their amiga, and such solutions don't always appeal to all amiga users, and don't provide simple solutions to transferring files between systems new and old. Out of the box there is little in the way of external storage devices for the Amiga 500/600/1200. This was a revelation to myself and I have tried to lower the barrier of entry for others.

  • @MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV
    @MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is it ok for me to Stream this on Amitopia TV on Saturday?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As long as there are links back to the original in the notes and my little channel gets a shout out :)

    • @MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV
      @MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sure. I will add it at the end of the program.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only issue you may have is the music is licensed for my channel only you would need to obtain your own licence from Likd... I could, I suppose, upload a version without music, if you're worried? But If you are not worried about monetizing your video then it's fine.

  • @Foebane72
    @Foebane72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Iomega Zip drive was an UTTER JOKE. I went to USB flash drives after my Iomega started the Click of Death (TM).

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching, "UTTER JOKE" might well be your experience, it certainly wasn't mine :) You may have been either late to the party and unlucky or had an early drive that lasted you 4 years?.. as USB was only introduced in 1996 and flash media was only a thing (and expensive) from about 2000. Click of death was only really an issue on early drives to my recollection and only on the ZIP100 (also my recollection). With vintage computers implementing USB mass storage is a bit harder than using something close to period correct.

    • @Foebane72
      @Foebane72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hackbuildrestoreI was late to the party, I specifically ordered an Iomega Zip Drive for my custom PC of 1998, and while it worked for a short while, the click of death started later on, thus becoming useless inside my PC case.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow, the 250 Drive came out in 1999 after the lawsuit in 1998, I had not heard of "click of death" (cod) as such on the internal drives, I know there were a few slightly different issues with similar symptoms that all got dubbed cod but not all where the destructive head alignment seen on early drives, I'm no expert by a long shot, I have maybe been lucky over the years... I do have one drive with some form of cod and might look to investigate that further at some point... I also can't remember if it affected different markets depending on where the drives were manufactured or not!?... Or if disks had a bearing on it?..

    • @cnfuzz
      @cnfuzz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stories ,stories , never had such clicks from zips to this day

    • @Foebane72
      @Foebane72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cnfuzz I DID.

  • @Clancydaenlightened
    @Clancydaenlightened 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why not just put a USB transceiver USB 1.1 or 2.0 would be plenty fast, or an esp32 and transfer via Lan to a pc or something
    I would assume the Amiga could handle USB 2.0 maybe not full speed
    Or sd card

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You could be a much more complex interface and very likely be slower than zip drive... Unless you're attaching directly to CPU bus...

  • @cnfuzz
    @cnfuzz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Naah , why not a sidecar scsi expansion and a scsi zip

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you have one absolutely...

    • @cnfuzz
      @cnfuzz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore i do have 4 zip scsi 100, one 250 scsi , 2 zip Ide and some syquest, but alias no sidecar for the 500 only pcmcia options for a600

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Think you have hit the nail on the head 😂

  • @raymondmookhram5127
    @raymondmookhram5127 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you have a solution for the Superdisk LS120 via parallel port?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Unfortunately I don't, but it may be possible if it works similarly to the Iomega parallel interface. I don't have a drive myself and I can't recall them being popular in the UK back in the 90s. If I do come across one I may be tempted to give it a go using PPAZIP as a starting point.

    • @massmike11
      @massmike11 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wouldnt it have made sense to use an SCSI drive?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you have a SCSI drive and a SCSI controller to plug it into, yes... The 500/500+/600/1200 don't have a SCSI controller without some kind of expansion.

    • @TheLemminkainen
      @TheLemminkainen หลายเดือนก่อน

      LSdrive in ide is supported with Idefix if i remember correctly. I own ide and usb versions :)

  • @MartynC47
    @MartynC47 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm trying to order this through PCBWay but they need a 'Pick & Place (Centroid)' file to continue with the order. Any chance you could provide the file?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have never got PCBWay to assemble anything before, I will take a look and see if I can provide them what's needed, which continent are you on? I'm looking into selling some assembled boards if I can't provide PCBWay what they need that might be an option...

    • @MartynC47
      @MartynC47 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore That'll be great, thanks Andi. I'm in England.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hoping to have some on eBay / setup shop soon...

    • @MartynC47
      @MartynC47 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​ @hackbuildrestore Nevermind! They replied saying to ignore that message as it's automatic.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Store is up ... for what it's worth while stocks last :) hackbuildrestore.com/store/

  • @anakondase
    @anakondase 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you even buy new disk these days?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A good question as far as I know the only new disks are old stock. However, I have found used ones to be quite reliable! Plus I'm not suggesting using them for backup, long term storage or boot media, just file transfer...

    • @anakondase
      @anakondase 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore Just curious. I thought about getting one back in the day but since noone else I knew had one and I could transfer between my 500 and 4000 with parnet so I really didn't see the point.

  • @backgammonbacon
    @backgammonbacon 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Argh your cameras shutter speed isn't matched properly to framerate, set it to auto and buy yourself brighter lights.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching and taking the time to provide feedback.

  • @ferrellsl
    @ferrellsl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Zip Disks and Zip Drives were entirely unreliable. My company bought several Zip Drives back in the day and the drives usually failed within weeks and many times, new disk media would fail within minutes of being pulled out of the box and formatted. We leaned quickly not to put anything important on a Zip Disk and quickly moved on to more reliable methods of storage.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching! Everyone's experience is their own, which seems to differ greatly based on when and where you used a Zip Drive... My experience has been generally good and considering I have several drives that still function after 30 years they can't all have been junk 😉 can they?

  • @DigitalFacts
    @DigitalFacts 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't see anything "game changing" here. Sure, you did a nice layout of a pcb from Abott's first project but anyone with a breadboard could've built that too (and I am sure did it in the past). Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your work and making a video about this, but please stop using that "whoooaaaa this is a gamechanger" clickbait titles for you videos.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for watching and taking the time to feedback, IMO it was game-changing at the time and it was for me personally re-discovering it. Not every amiga owner is able to or confident in building this stuff themselves or is aware it exists, and with the rising cost of Amiga-specific hardware, I would say this is more relevant now than it was in 1998. I'm sorry you felt this to be clickbait, but the title accurately reflects my experience. 😀

    • @brynjarborgersen8131
      @brynjarborgersen8131 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't see it as much of a gamechanger nowadays, with easy PCMCIA2CF adaptors for my A1200 and A600..... And I had the SurfSquirrel back in 1998 as well, and owned both a parallell and a SCSI ZIP drive.
      So for me , personally, knowing this was/is a thing isn't much of a gamechanger.
      That said, I got a fair few bits of Amiga gear when "everyone" just threw it out in the early 2000s, and I could for sure have used this for the A500, but I got the A1200 first and the SurfSquirrel was cheap-ish.... And the A1200 could handle so much more RAM with their accelerators.....
      Anyways. I dream about a more innocent time.....
      I was not aware of this, and for sure, it would have been very handy back in the day, had I still used the A500.

  • @KarlHamilton
    @KarlHamilton 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bet it's slooooooow

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching!.. Actually not as slow as you might think, it is faster than the native floppy drive :) It all comes down to your frame of reference, by today's breakneck data transfer speeds absolutely it's really slow. I may do another video and circle back to this and answer that question with some data and comparisons...

  • @brunosouza2918
    @brunosouza2918 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    🫵🇧🇷✌️

  • @andrewenglish3810
    @andrewenglish3810 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's a bit slow. :(

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The drive, the video or me?

    • @andrewenglish3810
      @andrewenglish3810 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The drive going over paralell :)@@hackbuildrestore

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends on your frame of reference I guess... Data transfer is faster than floppy and faster than a Plipbox network adapter so its all relative :)

  • @bradallen8909
    @bradallen8909 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your typing is so slow it's painful. You haven't been using computers for very long, have you?

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks for watching and I appreciate the feedback... To answer the question specifically, I've only been using computers for about 35 years, however, one-handed holding a phone to record it, maybe only 18 months, I don't seem to have grown extra fingers as yet so I'll consider speeding up any future one-handed arm's length typing footage 😜

    • @bradallen8909
      @bradallen8909 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hackbuildrestore I'm so sorry, I had no idea you were doing it one handed! Thanks for responsing so politely to such a rude comment :)

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apology accepted, but not needed lol

  • @davejones1621
    @davejones1621 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jesus, why you so close to the camera XD. Shit me up.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll be sure to ask Jesus to step back in the future... Any deity on screen can be a shock for anyone!

    • @davejones1621
      @davejones1621 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hackbuildrestore Chat GPT, nice.

    • @hackbuildrestore
      @hackbuildrestore  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you say so, I guess... Maybe you should cut back though you seem to be confusing your AI interactions with reality :)