I respectfully note, in terms of the comments section, that THG does history and leaves decisions about current events up to the viewer. But, as always, please be civil and respectful.
“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” -Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV, King Solomon
Unfortunately, some history topics will cause people to snipe at each other. When I start going in that direction I try to step back and remember "just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.". If I have offended, I apologize.
"Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Yet those who do study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeats it"
Politics has ever been and ever will be tribal. G. Washington was wise in not wanting political parties in the newborn republic. Too bad more people didn't listen to him.
@@skeetrix5577 In what sense? A lot of the people who are considered "talking heads" by journalism grads are still well qualified to at least report the news, and usually the underlying investigative work is done by journalism graduates who have both a special mention in the Constitution and professional code of ethics. They are still human, but they often report when they have made errors. With the exception of those who argue in court that their shows are for entertainment purposes only, despite having the word "news" plastered over it (or those who just decided to start an opinion podcast on the internet), most are exactly what they claim to be. So, in what way is news "largely" fraudulent, or do you mean that you dislike what they report?
@@rachelk4805 What they mean is the news is often patently false. A combination of blatantly biased, just plain dishonest, and lazily incompetent reporting, has left a great many people with absolutely no trust in the media. The only people who believe the media any more are those who DO like what they report. Of course, if you like what you hear, why would you bother the check the facts. I've caught the media in so many blatant lies I can't take anything they say seriously anymore. Well, maybe the weather.
@@GUNNER67akaKelt A lot of people don’t care what the truth is. They find someone who tells them what they want to hear and then calls that the news. Half of the 24 hour news stations have commentary not news. Often blatant opinion having nothing to do with fact.
@@rachelk4805 what we mean is YOU BROADCAST FAKE NEWS! izakly as stated mo ron. Get This: The People Don't Trust You anymore, however much they ever did. And y'all did it to yourselves, eat it.
This illustrates the old adage "The more things change the more they stay the same". It is unfortunate that we ignore our history an keep repeating so many of the most distasteful aspects of human nature and politics.
Saw a cartoon that reminded me of you: "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do study history are doomed to watch helplessly as those who don't ...repeat it."
@@moss8448 Miller's Crossing (1990 Movie) Leo; "Hey Tom, you know the Mayor don't you?" Tom; "I should, I voted for him 6 times in the last election." The Mayor; "The worst thing is that's not the record."
A cautionary tale from the past, as usual expertly reported, and so clearly relevant for the current situation in the USA. I cannot make up my mind whether learning that "all of this has happened before" should be a source of comfort or not.
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way, since we're talking about the period immediately after the Civil War...get that? A Civil War! Although this does at least tell us that nothing's changed throughout history, there are always people willing to do anything for power over others. The whole point of democracy is that the majority of the people who are going to affected by this power decide who will have it...and will take it away if it's abused! That last part is important.
@@karenryder6317 The 'easiest' way to overcome tribalism is for EVERYONE to be good & honest. Once we can make that happen, tribalism has not a leg to stand on. Thats it; thats all we have to do! LOL
Your joking about 2020, right? The 2000, that was easily proven! The 2020, election, Trump lost because he underestimated the NEW voting block that are predominantly liberals!!!! All one has to do is study them!!!! The continuous downfall of the GOP, now after 2020, the abortion!!!! The GOP should have left abortion alone because it opened Pandora’s Box. People, you all need to turn off that stupid MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN!!!! Open up books, study analytics, trends, and demographics (EXTREMELY important)!!!! BEFORE the 2020 election, i made a Facebook livestream telling people Trump would lose, WHY, states he would lose, and the Electoral College!!!! Can’t damn close!!!! Trump’s OTHER downfall was his idiocy administration!!!! They were just dumb!!!! Had no knowledge of history which is VERY important as well!!!! Trump yelling massive voter fraud against Obama, H. Clinton, Ted Cruz, and Brian Kemp, NOOOOO evidence whatsoever!!!! Funny that more and more voter fraud from conservatives are being uncovered!!!! The wide investigations by conservatives, STILL haven’t found massive voter fraud!!!! OOOOOOH, see the link from conservatives themselves!!!! i read it!!!! The conservatives better direct their attention to the younger voters and how to make them happy!!!! This massive voter fraud and abortion crap, just pissing them off more!!!! See the recent elections lately? More indicators!!!! Hell, even 36% of conservative women support abortion!!!! You all better wake the FCUK up and leave you emotions out of this!!!! Then there are the PLETHORA of indictments within the Trump administration 🤦🏾♂️!!!! That ALONE is insane!!!! lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket So, you want to use the actions of a long dead person to color the reputation of their currently living descendants? How about we start with your family? How about every time one of your ancestors broke a law that you are punished for it? And what if one of your ancestors once murdered someone? Shall we toss you in prison for a crime you never committed or possibly even knew about it? Yes, slavery and racism are abhorrent. But why in the world would you punish someone now for something that they and their living family members had no part in? That whole idea is ridiculous, stupid, and very woke. It's about as stupid as the idea of reparations for those whose ancestors were slaves. Those who have been slaves are the only ones owed reparations and only those who own/owned slaves should be punished. You do not punish the son for the sins of the father. Ted Bundy's family was not executed alongside him because they had nothing to do with his murders. The same for Adolf Hitler's family, the BTK killer's family, or even the family of the Son of Sam. As for what you said about killing off people in the south, that kind of attitude is no different then what Joseph Mengle and his "associates" did.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket that would be absolutely no good. You replace slave owners with angry grieving people who had relatives die because of your purge. It would have further ingrained the hatred for former slaves.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket "The thing is anyone that gets offended by that statement is saying they think slave owners should be alive" 1. Most people are rather picky about who they are willing to kill. Nowadays a lot of people are adverse to killing ANYONE, even serial killers and child molesters who are convicted with overwhelming evidence. 2. How are you defining "slave owners"? There were 393,975 slave owners on the 1860 census. But that doesn't include people who rented slaves, traded slaves, were overseers of slaves, spouses and other family members of slave owners who didn't own slaves in the strict legal sense but did own them in a practical sense, etc. 3. "Kill every racist" is even more problematic. The vast majority of Americans who opposed slavery in the 1860s were still racist, including many who fought in the Union Army and Southern Unionists who opposed the Confederacy. 4. Regardless of who you can make a compelling argument deserved to be executed, carrying out such executions wasn't remotely practical.
Great episode. 7:05 "...newspapers across the country were declaring winners, stoking controversy, selling papers...." I'm sure glad that doesn't happen today 🤣
Your video mentioned Dan Sickles. I imagine this is the same Dan Sickles that was a Civil War General, famous (or infamous) for his actions at Gettysburg, and also famous for shooting his wife's lover, a government Attorney, in broad daylight outside the White House. Sickles was acquitted, the first time that a successful plea of "Temporary Insanity" was used.
I wondered why Bull Dozer was in as news paper before they could have been invented Interesting one for you to do History Guy According to "Bulldozers" written by Sam Sargent and Michael Alves: "Around 1880, the common usage of 'bull-dose' in the United States meant administering a large and efficient dose of any sort of medicine or punishment. If you 'bull-dosed' someone, you gave him a severe whipping or coerced or intimidated him in some other way, such as by holding a gun to his head. In 1886, with a slight variation in spelling, a 'bulldozer' had come to mean both a large-caliber pistol and the person who wielded it. By the late 1800s, 'bulldozing' came to mean using brawny force to push over, or through, any obstacle."
Ah, so when the heavy tracked pushing machine was invented, it was a natural name to apply to it. I'd like to know the real origin of the phrase, "That's a doozy!" It sounds like it should refer to the Duesenberg luxury and racing cars, but it predates their creation by at least 4 years. (It's possible that these cars, many of which are still roadworthy today, popularized the phrase, but it couldn't have inspired it.)
@@evensgrey you might be interested in watching an episode of Jay Leno's garage about a Duesenberg that he owns. He touches on the "doozy" phraseology a little before the video ends.
@@filanfyretracker That may have been where the term actually came from. After all if you get run into by one of those critters you are literally bulldozed!
Wow. After watching the series 'The American West' I thought the History guy should really do an episode on the election of 1876 and here it is. I didn't even need to send an email. History guy is just taking suggestion telepathically.
Living in Fremont Ohio most of my life, I am familiar with this story as that is the location of Hayes home Spiegel Grove. Thank you for bringing it to a wide audience in your matter of fact manner. Spiegel Grove is owned by the state of Ohio, open to the public with the house maintained c1880 appearance, museum, research library, and shady grounds with walking trails
Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it their senior year... But yea, thats not a familiar story to current times in the slightest...
People think politics is so crazy today, but never stopped to realize it’s always been this crazy, we’re just paying more attention now. If anything, it’s calmed down a little.
We see the the U.S. as a bastion of enlightenment. During the first 100 years, the U.S. govt. was no better than the Congo or Cambodia, or any other tiny country with a strong man leader. Corruption and Cronyism were just called, "government".
I notice the USPS LLV in the background. The wife just came back from a DC work trip and picked me up a seemingly identical one from the Postal Museum. I'm hard to buy tourist things for, but she knows I'm a fan of those vehicles.
Funny thing is, Wheeler was actually nominated as Haye's running mate as a joke. The convention was looking for a running mate and no one wanted it. Someone on the floor shouted, 'Let's give it to Wheeler!' It was late and everyone wanted to just get it over with and the nomination went to the floor and was approved. Many of the delegates comment, 'Who is Wheeler?'
I did teach my class about that election at Arnold Middle school in Arnold PA, many years, ago while working for that district as a substitute teacher.
Rather than venture into difficult territory, I will simply point out that I think is the finest work on this - Gore Vidal's *_1876_* released during the bicentennial.
Good presentation. I learned a lot today and also was reminded of my high school history teacher who went on about Hayes back in 1968. It's good to refresh one's memory and gain new perspectives on current events. Thank you.
Wonderful explication on the Worst Year in Electoral History. I was reminded of this by recent antics during the last presidential election, I recommend to anyone Gore Vidal's epic novel, "!876," That deals with that fallen election through the eyes of a young man visiting Washington at the time. Great Channel.
First, this is really well timed content. Second, this may be your best content that I have seen to date. People argue about statues and confederate leaders and they don't understand that it took a century for many of the resolutions to this conflict to settle. Now we've forgotten and we act like we are bringing up something new.
There are monuments that were erected immediately following the Civil War (e.g. Manassas Battlefield) and those erected in the Jim Crow Era (e.g. R.E. Lee in Charlottesville). The latter was actually unanamously approved by an entirely Democrat city council. The history of each, individual monument is certainly forgotten today.
Great video. It's sad how some people today believe that "politics only became dirty and corrupt in recent years"... but human nature has never changed.
Nope. We ARE in an unusual situation. Our last president was a useful idiot for a major adversary. Also, 30 criminal charges. It is NOT "sad" to notice.
"If there is one fact we really can prove, from the history that we really do know, it is that despotism can be a development, often a late development and very often indeed the end of societies that have been highly democratic. A despotism may almost be defined as a tired democracy. As fatigue falls on a community, the citizens are less inclined for that eternal vigilance which has truly been called the price of liberty; and they prefer to arm only one single sentinel to watch the city while they sleep." G. K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man, Ch. III (1922)
And that was written before TV and these little sxrying screens grew our complacency further. Great quote. Ofcourse if a politician was to say to the people that maintaining a government of the people was the responsibility of the people, Nancy Pelosi would drag them up infront of the J6 commission on grounds of inciting the Great American Walkthrough of 21'.
@@ricksanchez3176 Ya, but fortunately J6 wasn't in 21 and happened in 20 instead which was an actual insurrection and not a walk through. But I get it. You aren't talking about that or even making a vague reference to it, so...
I don't know if it's happened enough or others would be interested enough in it, but it'd be great to see a video on headlines that never came true. The famous Dewey Defeats Truman paper comes instantly to mind.
Indeed! I had a similar thought, trying to remind people that everything they're so wrapped around the axle about is nothing new. 1948 definitely came to mind!
makes me wonder at times how many headlines the papers have had ready in history, That thankfully did not come true or unfortunately came true. Like I would not be surprised if there was a rocket explodes headline ready for every Apollo and Shuttle mission(which sadly they got to use in 1984 for Challenger). In less serious things I know that things like the Superbowl tend to have two headlines already to go to the presses.
A while back I read in a book somewhere that G.A. Custer was being considered as a candidate for the Presidency in 1876. (He was famous) He needed to get back east in early July to accept the nomination (or something along those lines) and was trying to get one more win against the Native Americans. He needed a big win, and he couldn't afford a protracted campaign. That is why he rushed his attack against the Sioux at Little Bighorn. The rest is history. (Edited to fix the date)
Yes... I find it fascinating how few people take voting seriously today. And how many people know nothing of the issues, other than what they hear on Broadcast News or social media
As opposed to 2016 when 2/3 of the eligible voters stayed home in protest. I wonder if Trump or Hillary could have won if those people had chosen any third party.
In all the U.S. history courses I took, this fiasco was never mentioned. That includes the 8th grade U.S. Constitution course and exam I took in California to graduate from the 8th grade, the Civics course and exam in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the US Constitution course at Iowa State University, the U.S. Constitution course at Barstow Community College in California and the U.S. Constitution and Nevada History course at the University of Nevada at Reno. Interesting!
(posting this before I watch later.) My grandmother, born in 1897, often spoke about this election, having heard about it from her mother, who was born in 1854. At that time, there were at least three daily papers in central Vermont, with both of the major parties having at least one advocate. After the long wrangle and the report of the special commission, the paper favoring the Democrats ran a banner at the top of the page, apparently for some months, that proclaimed, "TILDEN ELECTED, HAYES COUNTED IN!" Almost, kinda, sorta sounds familiar, don't it??
"The Long Depression" is almost entirely mythical. It is the result of later historians not understanding economics and so simply assuming that a lengthy period of steadily lowering prices must mean there was an economic disaster in progress. People at the time, however, didn't mention anything of the sort going on. What was really happening was the supply of money couldn't quite keep up with economic growth, which forced the value of money up and prices down.
@working_country ___Hardly. We have records of currency being devalued and the resulting price inflation going back to at least Classical Rome. It also happened when Spain looted all that gold and silver from Aztec and Inca empires. It happened periodically in England when the Crown would debase the metal the coinage was minted from (and was largely undone when Elizabeth I systematically undebased all the coinage and issued high-purity coins again). Inflation wasn't all THAT bad in the US until the US went fully fiat currency in the 1970's. I was a kid, but even I noticed that there was an order of magnitude increase in prices between when I started primary school in 1975 and ended middle school in 1984.
@@vulpsturm Which is an easy mistake to make if you only look at documents, which are relatively scarce in the period we call the Middle Ages. If you look at what actually happened, there was a LOT going on in Europe in the period. Huge migrations, massive wars, great (if incredibly dirty and smelly) cities were built, and by the later half of the period you've got the construction of massive cathedrals and castles that still exist all over Europe. (Fun fact: France spent a larger proportion of it's total productivity building cathedrals than the US did to go to the moon in the 1960's. The results were some of the largest indoor spaces created before the 20th century.)
@working_country ___ "which is why inflation (devaluing currency) was invented." Please tell me you're joking. Inflation as a economic concept dates back to the Romans.
All of which goes to show that the outcome of the election is very much alive until the senate finalises it in America’s indirect democracy. I found it interesting that Pence says he couldn’t have overturned the outcome. I think rather he had the power to choose the result that hadn’t yet happened by choosing different electors, but he chose not to out of decency.
The 1876 election is the second most safe and secure election ever. There was no evidence of widespread fraud. Stop spreading misinformation. Or we'll have to charge you for sedition.
Best retelling I've ever heard. Anything I'd ever read on this before makes it sound like the back-room deal was a "for sure" thing, and failed to mention that Hayes was in favor of South home rule before the controversy.
I remember reading about these times in the US History; first in High School and later in college. Interesting. Makes some of the more recent political doings in America look pretty tame by comparison, sounds like. I am fond of PBS' historical documentaries, but there have only a few such about these historical points given in this clip. It might be informative if there were more?
Why are there two Dakotas? Also why are Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming three states instead of one? Apparently it was a scheme of Republicans to assure themselves of a majority in the Senate. They figured that they could have 10 senators instead of just 4.
But not history that should be re-lived and should be a cautionary tale. The election of 1876 didn't install a communist whose corruption permeated the entire executive branch.
Boy, politics was great back in those days! That was the first of six straight close presidential elections during the Gilded Age. A book about this election is "The Stolen Election" by Lloyd Robinson, published in 1968.
“We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” joe biden which administration?
The Hayes home in Freemont, Ohio is worth the visit if you're ever in north-central Ohio. The President and Mrs. Hayes are buried in a family plot out in the yard, flanked by the graves two of Hayes' Civil War horses.
Fremont is in Northwest Ohio, not North Central. It's approximately 30 miles East of Toledo on U.S. 20 and I've lived in the area my entire 53 years. Other than that, you're right, the Hayes House and Museum are definitely worth visiting. They're actually having sleigh rides on the grounds this weekend.
I'm surprised that you didn't make the connection between the election of 1876 and the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which was passed to deal with the problems revealed by the 1876 election. That Act had a key role to play in the 2020 election.
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
"The struggle’s no longer just who gets to vote. It’s about who gets to count the vote." joe biden. but politifact assures me potato joe doesnt hold similar beliefs as ole uncle joe.
It does seem that, while much more subdued, the election of 2020 could easily appear on the same list as the election of 1876, if further down on that list.
“We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” joe biden "The struggle’s no longer just who gets to vote. It’s about who gets to count the vote." also joe biden......
Not in this case though because unlike that election then, there's no evidence of any tampering of votes unless you count what Bonespur Spanky was trying to set in motion.
@@Brian-li5up And just hours before the votes were tallied and one party was in the lead all of a sudden there was a blackout in the deciding state, all the cameras turned off and all the certifiers from a single party were thrown out of the room. Doors locked and cardboard was thrown up over the windows. Then after about two hours they unlocked the door and said it was actually the party that was loosing that won.
They don't really teach about the Reconstruction era in school. I first got a better understanding of it through genealogical research. Most of my family lines start in Salem , Massachusetts Bay Colony (the part now called Beverly), and seemed to either linger in Essex County or spread out north into Maine and New Hampshire, but one distant cousin ("Witchcraft" Mark Haskell) skipped out on jury duty in the witch trials and skipped town down to Rochester in Plymouth Colony. Eventually a descendant, Colonel Elnathan Haskell (pictured in John Trumbull's "Surrender of General Burgoyne" - 7th from the right with the red lapels) moved to the Zante Plantation in South Carolina. Descendants of his became Confederate officers in the Civil War with two brothers (Lt. Col. John Cheves Haskell and Colonel Alexander Cheves Haskell) eventually leading the artillery and cavalry to the surrender at Appomattox. In 1876 they supported Wade Hampton III for governor of South Carolina (John married Wade's daughter Sally Buchanan Hampton and Alex got a seat as an associate justice in the South Carolina Supreme Court). In 1890 Alex ran against Benjamin Tillman for governor of South Carolina (didn't win, though).
I respectfully note, in terms of the comments section, that THG does history and leaves decisions about current events up to the viewer. But, as always, please be civil and respectful.
“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” -Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV, King Solomon
Dishonesty, collusion and distrust are poor medicine for a nation that needs healing.
I believe 2020 has surpassed this election as the most corrupt. Just my opinion though.
Unfortunately, some history topics will cause people to snipe at each other. When I start going in that direction I try to step back and remember "just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.". If I have offended, I apologize.
I think this is a case where the phrase," those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." Seems to apply.🙄
"Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Yet those who do study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeats it"
🤣 So very true
"You can ignore History, but History won't ignore you."
Thats democracy bro
Politics has ever been and ever will be tribal. G. Washington was wise in not wanting political parties in the newborn republic. Too bad more people didn't listen to him.
@@karenryder6317 Naive attitude. They were inevitable with the system and survived every attempt to avoid them.
Too bad our modern day journalists don't learn this kind of history. They always seem to think any controversy regarding elections is "unprecedented".
The media in this country is largely fraudulent
@@skeetrix5577 In what sense? A lot of the people who are considered "talking heads" by journalism grads are still well qualified to at least report the news, and usually the underlying investigative work is done by journalism graduates who have both a special mention in the Constitution and professional code of ethics. They are still human, but they often report when they have made errors. With the exception of those who argue in court that their shows are for entertainment purposes only, despite having the word "news" plastered over it (or those who just decided to start an opinion podcast on the internet), most are exactly what they claim to be.
So, in what way is news "largely" fraudulent, or do you mean that you dislike what they report?
@@rachelk4805 What they mean is the news is often patently false. A combination of blatantly biased, just plain dishonest, and lazily incompetent reporting, has left a great many people with absolutely no trust in the media.
The only people who believe the media any more are those who DO like what they report. Of course, if you like what you hear, why would you bother the check the facts.
I've caught the media in so many blatant lies I can't take anything they say seriously anymore. Well, maybe the weather.
@@GUNNER67akaKelt
A lot of people don’t care what the truth is. They find someone who tells them what they want to hear and then calls that the news. Half of the 24 hour news stations have commentary not news.
Often blatant opinion having nothing to do with fact.
@@rachelk4805 what we mean is YOU BROADCAST FAKE NEWS! izakly as stated mo ron. Get This: The People Don't Trust You anymore, however much they ever did. And y'all did it to yourselves, eat it.
This illustrates the old adage "The more things change the more they stay the same". It is unfortunate that we ignore our history an keep repeating so many of the most distasteful aspects of human nature and politics.
Those who choose to erase history will find themselves repeating it.
I just said the same.
Gee, it's almost as if the politicians in charge, intentionally want to keep the electorate as ignorant as possible.
1876, Ballot box stuffing.
2020, Universal mail in voting.
Saw a cartoon that reminded me of you:
"Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do study history are doomed to watch helplessly as those who don't ...repeat it."
"For it is the Doom of men that they forget!" Merlin
People will learn about all the corrupt and unethical things the government has done in the past and say "Wow, glad that doesn't happen anymore!"
And we (those who don't) are working hard to supply future content for The History Guy, cheers!
LOL! Thanks for your refreshing cynicism. In light of recent events, this episode makes me sort of...uneasy. Cheers!
What we think of as warnings they think of as instructions.
"I won this state by 103% of the vote!" Oh yeah, sounds like a legit election.
Mayor Daly somehow got away with it...twice!
what was the line in the movie Gangs of New York? it's not how many votes are cast but who's counting them....or something to that effect.
@@moss8448
Miller's Crossing (1990 Movie)
Leo; "Hey Tom, you know the Mayor don't you?"
Tom; "I should, I voted for him 6 times in the last election."
The Mayor; "The worst thing is that's not the record."
But that's such a small amount of error that it wouldn't change the results to fix the problem, however big that problem may be.
Lol
"...2020???"
A cautionary tale from the past, as usual expertly reported, and so clearly relevant for the current situation in the USA. I cannot make up my mind whether learning that "all of this has happened before" should be a source of comfort or not.
Election of his fraudulency led to a Great populist revolt.
It isn't to me. It makes me fear we will never be able to overcome tribalism.
@@mlconley you lost.
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way, since we're talking about the period immediately after the Civil War...get that? A Civil War! Although this does at least tell us that nothing's changed throughout history, there are always people willing to do anything for power over others. The whole point of democracy is that the majority of the people who are going to affected by this power decide who will have it...and will take it away if it's abused! That last part is important.
@@karenryder6317 The 'easiest' way to overcome tribalism is for EVERYONE to be good & honest. Once we can make that happen, tribalism has not a leg to stand on. Thats it; thats all we have to do! LOL
Whoever thought up the old saying about "Cheaters never win" must not have been a politician.
Or he might have been, and he said that as misdirection. After all, if "cheaters never win" and he won that's "proof" he didn't cheat, right?
Nor a capitalist.
The point is that to cheat and win is to lose, morally.
It’s “cheaters never prosper”.
Even cheaters must face their maker, eventually.
It just goes to show that politics is still a dirty business and a confused mess.
Political corruption seems to come in waves--we happen to be riding the crest of a wave right now.
I remember studying this way back in high school. That's why the 2000 and 2020 elections were no shock for me.
Good on your history teachers. We didn't get much of this type of detail in highschool.
Your joking about 2020, right? The 2000, that was easily proven! The 2020, election, Trump lost because he underestimated the NEW voting block that are predominantly liberals!!!! All one has to do is study them!!!!
The continuous downfall of the GOP, now after 2020, the abortion!!!! The GOP should have left abortion alone because it opened Pandora’s Box.
People, you all need to turn off that stupid MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN!!!! Open up books, study analytics, trends, and demographics (EXTREMELY important)!!!!
BEFORE the 2020 election, i made a Facebook livestream telling people Trump would lose, WHY, states he would lose, and the Electoral College!!!! Can’t damn close!!!!
Trump’s OTHER downfall was his idiocy administration!!!! They were just dumb!!!! Had no knowledge of history which is VERY important as well!!!!
Trump yelling massive voter fraud against Obama, H. Clinton, Ted Cruz, and Brian Kemp, NOOOOO evidence whatsoever!!!! Funny that more and more voter fraud from conservatives are being uncovered!!!! The wide investigations by conservatives, STILL haven’t found massive voter fraud!!!! OOOOOOH, see the link from conservatives themselves!!!! i read it!!!!
The conservatives better direct their attention to the younger voters and how to make them happy!!!! This massive voter fraud and abortion crap, just pissing them off more!!!! See the recent elections lately? More indicators!!!! Hell, even 36% of conservative women support abortion!!!! You all better wake the FCUK up and leave you emotions out of this!!!! Then there are the PLETHORA of indictments within the Trump administration 🤦🏾♂️!!!! That ALONE is insane!!!!
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2016 shouldn't have been shock either
*Russia says USAID ousted for meddling in elections*
~LA Times, 9/20/12
Kinda of funny that Florida was involved in the 1876 and 2000 election mess.
😂
Liars, cheaters and thieves are the bane of our existence.
(aka. Career Politicians)
And yet they are always in power, Politicians and Wall Street.
"The struggle’s no longer just who gets to vote. It’s about who gets to count the vote." joe biden
they just wanna be in charge of the tax money is all
Man you ain't lyin lol
If our schools actually taught history maybe we wouldn't be repeating it so often.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket So, you want to use the actions of a long dead person to color the reputation of their currently living descendants?
How about we start with your family? How about every time one of your ancestors broke a law that you are punished for it? And what if one of your ancestors once murdered someone? Shall we toss you in prison for a crime you never committed or possibly even knew about it?
Yes, slavery and racism are abhorrent. But why in the world would you punish someone now for something that they and their living family members had no part in?
That whole idea is ridiculous, stupid, and very woke. It's about as stupid as the idea of reparations for those whose ancestors were slaves. Those who have been slaves are the only ones owed reparations and only those who own/owned slaves should be punished.
You do not punish the son for the sins of the father. Ted Bundy's family was not executed alongside him because they had nothing to do with his murders. The same for Adolf Hitler's family, the BTK killer's family, or even the family of the Son of Sam.
As for what you said about killing off people in the south, that kind of attitude is no different then what Joseph Mengle and his "associates" did.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket that would be absolutely no good. You replace slave owners with angry grieving people who had relatives die because of your purge. It would have further ingrained the hatred for former slaves.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket "The thing is anyone that gets offended by that statement is saying they think slave owners should be alive"
1. Most people are rather picky about who they are willing to kill. Nowadays a lot of people are adverse to killing ANYONE, even serial killers and child molesters who are convicted with overwhelming evidence.
2. How are you defining "slave owners"? There were 393,975 slave owners on the 1860 census. But that doesn't include people who rented slaves, traded slaves, were overseers of slaves, spouses and other family members of slave owners who didn't own slaves in the strict legal sense but did own them in a practical sense, etc.
3. "Kill every racist" is even more problematic. The vast majority of Americans who opposed slavery in the 1860s were still racist, including many who fought in the Union Army and Southern Unionists who opposed the Confederacy.
4. Regardless of who you can make a compelling argument deserved to be executed, carrying out such executions wasn't remotely practical.
Hey come on, they do teach history in red states. They just teach the parts that make them look good and definitely not storming the Capitol types.
I got so distracted reading this insane comment thread I had to restart the video.
Great episode. 7:05 "...newspapers across the country were declaring winners, stoking controversy, selling papers...." I'm sure glad that doesn't happen today 🤣
Snicker.
🤨....man, so do I. It *couldn't* happen nowadays, could it? 🙄
LOL!
No one is really selling papers anymore - so there's that.
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
@@stephenphillip5656 that would be crazy. People would NEVER exploit a “once in a generation” event to alter an election…
Your video mentioned Dan Sickles. I imagine this is the same Dan Sickles that was a Civil War General, famous (or infamous) for his actions at Gettysburg, and also famous for shooting his wife's lover, a government Attorney, in broad daylight outside the White House. Sickles was acquitted, the first time that a successful plea of "Temporary Insanity" was used.
I think it is also Sickles was a Medal of Honor receiptian for his actions at Gettysburg
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@@TheHistoryGuyChannel LOL. I forgot where I learned it from. In my defense (not using temporary insanity though) you have produced around 600 videos.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel thanks. I thought you did that.....
Infamous & notorious
Mr. History you are truly a gentleman and a scholar.
And there are few of us left
I wondered why Bull Dozer was in as news paper before they could have been invented Interesting one for you to do History Guy According to "Bulldozers" written by Sam Sargent and Michael Alves: "Around 1880, the common usage of 'bull-dose' in the United States meant administering a large and efficient dose of any sort of medicine or punishment. If you 'bull-dosed' someone, you gave him a severe whipping or coerced or intimidated him in some other way, such as by holding a gun to his head. In 1886, with a slight variation in spelling, a 'bulldozer' had come to mean both a large-caliber pistol and the person who wielded it. By the late 1800s, 'bulldozing' came to mean using brawny force to push over, or through, any obstacle."
Ah, so when the heavy tracked pushing machine was invented, it was a natural name to apply to it.
I'd like to know the real origin of the phrase, "That's a doozy!" It sounds like it should refer to the Duesenberg luxury and racing cars, but it predates their creation by at least 4 years. (It's possible that these cars, many of which are still roadworthy today, popularized the phrase, but it couldn't have inspired it.)
@@evensgrey you might be interested in watching an episode of Jay Leno's garage about a Duesenberg that he owns. He touches on the "doozy" phraseology a little before the video ends.
And here I thought bulldozer was a name connected to a large strong bovine.
@@filanfyretracker That may have been where the term actually came from. After all if you get run into by one of those critters you are literally bulldozed!
Wow. After watching the series 'The American West' I thought the History guy should really do an episode on the election of 1876 and here it is. I didn't even need to send an email. History guy is just taking suggestion telepathically.
Hey, I like THG's 'Lost in Space' robot on the shelf. That brings back a lot of memories from my childhood. Looks like I'm becoming an antique!
There is nothing new under the sun.
Living in Fremont Ohio most of my life, I am familiar with this story as that is the location of Hayes home Spiegel Grove. Thank you for bringing it to a wide audience in your matter of fact manner. Spiegel Grove is owned by the state of Ohio, open to the public with the house maintained c1880 appearance, museum, research library, and shady grounds with walking trails
You really can always depend on history repeating itself.
Maybe rhyming too
Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it their senior year...
But yea, thats not a familiar story to current times in the slightest...
For better or worse, the cycle of history is a source of hope.
@@r3dp9 yes, it is. It just saddens me the amount of blood required to buy that hope is measured in such large quantities.
Damn
People think politics is so crazy today, but never stopped to realize it’s always been this crazy, we’re just paying more attention now. If anything, it’s calmed down a little.
What goes around,comes around!!
Back in the Saddle Again
I remember Walter Cronkite's "You are There" series did an episode on this election. Even back then they emphasized the Corruption and Cronyism of it!
We see the the U.S. as a bastion of enlightenment. During the first 100 years, the U.S. govt. was no better than the Congo or Cambodia, or any other tiny country with a strong man leader. Corruption and Cronyism were just called, "government".
Interestingly, a visit by Hayes in San Antonio created the Battle of Flowers, which has become a parade in Fiesta over 100 years later.
I thought it was a dedication to the Alamo defenders.
I notice the USPS LLV in the background. The wife just came back from a DC work trip and picked me up a seemingly identical one from the Postal Museum. I'm hard to buy tourist things for, but she knows I'm a fan of those vehicles.
Funny thing is, Wheeler was actually nominated as Haye's running mate as a joke. The convention was looking for a running mate and no one wanted it. Someone on the floor shouted, 'Let's give it to Wheeler!' It was late and everyone wanted to just get it over with and the nomination went to the floor and was approved. Many of the delegates comment, 'Who is Wheeler?'
"Wheeler? I hardly know her!"
@@jimbob3332 😂
Vice president that's who
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You liquor
I did teach my class about that election at Arnold Middle school in Arnold PA, many years, ago while working for that district as a substitute teacher.
Rather than venture into difficult territory, I will simply point out that I think is the finest work on this - Gore Vidal's *_1876_* released during the bicentennial.
Thanks.
Good presentation. I learned a lot today and also was reminded of my high school history teacher who went on about Hayes back in 1968. It's good to refresh one's memory and gain new perspectives on current events. Thank you.
Wonderful explication on the Worst Year in Electoral History. I was reminded of this by recent antics during the last presidential election, I recommend to anyone Gore Vidal's epic novel, "!876," That deals with that fallen election through the eyes of a young man visiting Washington at the time. Great Channel.
First, this is really well timed content. Second, this may be your best content that I have seen to date. People argue about statues and confederate leaders and they don't understand that it took a century for many of the resolutions to this conflict to settle. Now we've forgotten and we act like we are bringing up something new.
There are monuments that were erected immediately following the Civil War (e.g. Manassas Battlefield) and those erected in the Jim Crow Era (e.g. R.E. Lee in Charlottesville). The latter was actually unanamously approved by an entirely Democrat city council. The history of each, individual monument is certainly forgotten today.
@@justme_gb before repubs switched to the south and pivoted to racism
@@MrIluvbutts Another media/Dem lie.
@@MrIluvbutts really? When did that happen?
@@northdakotaham1752 between the 30's-60's
What a timely report. History does repeat itself in large strokes.
Indeed it does.
“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” - Mark Twain.
@@timothykeith1367 I'm a little late to the party but you said exactly what I was planning to say before I saw your response. ;)
Strokes being the key word there.
Except back then both sides were actually trying to steal the election.
No one was pretending.
Everything old is new again; history repeats itself. 😩🤦♂️🤷♂️🙁
Great video. It's sad how some people today believe that "politics only became dirty and corrupt in recent years"...
but human nature has never changed.
Nope. We ARE in an unusual situation. Our last president was a useful idiot for a major adversary. Also, 30 criminal charges. It is NOT "sad" to notice.
There were plenty of other examples of 19th century corruption: Teapot Dome scandal, Credit Mobilier scandal, etc.
It was just more obvious now
Is this a history or current events channel?
Both
2020- The Most Fortified Of All Time - The Former VP
Ha ha, yeah, no this is history. Kinda sad still trying to disenfranchise the Blacks after 150 years.
Lol!!
Yes
Great information! Thankyou...🎉🎉🎉
"If there is one fact we really can prove, from the history that we really do know, it is that despotism can be a development, often a late development and very often indeed the end of societies that have been highly democratic. A despotism may almost be defined as a tired democracy. As fatigue falls on a community, the citizens are less inclined for that eternal vigilance which has truly been called the price of liberty; and they prefer to arm only one single sentinel to watch the city while they sleep."
G. K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man, Ch. III (1922)
And that was written before TV and these little sxrying screens grew our complacency further. Great quote. Ofcourse if a politician was to say to the people that maintaining a government of the people was the responsibility of the people, Nancy Pelosi would drag them up infront of the J6 commission on grounds of inciting the Great American Walkthrough of 21'.
@@ricksanchez3176 Ya, but fortunately J6 wasn't in 21 and happened in 20 instead which was an actual insurrection and not a walk through. But I get it. You aren't talking about that or even making a vague reference to it, so...
@@daviddamascus9657 don't eat paint chips
@@ricksanchez3176 Don't drink bleach. It won't help with COVID.
@@daviddamascus9657 keep that mask on tight
Very timely, makes me feel like politics today are not as nearly bad as in our not so distant past history of the country. There is hope!
People who say “that’s never before happened in history” just need to watch more History Guy. Thanks again!
Very interesting video! Thanks for another great episode
I don't know if it's happened enough or others would be interested enough in it, but it'd be great to see a video on headlines that never came true. The famous Dewey Defeats Truman paper comes instantly to mind.
Indeed! I had a similar thought, trying to remind people that everything they're so wrapped around the axle about is nothing new. 1948 definitely came to mind!
makes me wonder at times how many headlines the papers have had ready in history, That thankfully did not come true or unfortunately came true. Like I would not be surprised if there was a rocket explodes headline ready for every Apollo and Shuttle mission(which sadly they got to use in 1984 for Challenger). In less serious things I know that things like the Superbowl tend to have two headlines already to go to the presses.
Good to know things still haven't changed.
Ouch
Thank you
A while back I read in a book somewhere that G.A. Custer was being considered as a candidate for the Presidency in 1876. (He was famous) He needed to get back east in early July to accept the nomination (or something along those lines) and was trying to get one more win against the Native Americans. He needed a big win, and he couldn't afford a protracted campaign. That is why he rushed his attack against the Sioux at Little Bighorn. The rest is history. (Edited to fix the date)
1876.
@@shawnr771 Yes 1876, my bad. 1976 was Carter fighting the Native Americans. :)
@@alanocarlossur9440 lmao.
I saw that earlier and had the same thought but it would have been Ford.
Carter took over in 77.
@@shawnr771 +Yes, but Carter was running in 1976.
@@alanocarlossur9440A short peg to hang your hat. ("...and the truth shall set you free")
looks like it is deja vu all over again
To add to the chaos of that day/ week, tomb robbers attempted to steal Abraham Lincoln's body.
Thanks!
“A record of 81% of eligible voters voted” (twice, or even three times) 😁. Great history lesson. Just proves how powerful the vote is
Yes... I find it fascinating how few people take voting seriously today. And how many people know nothing of the issues, other than what they hear on Broadcast News or social media
As opposed to 2016 when 2/3 of the eligible voters stayed home in protest. I wonder if Trump or Hillary could have won if those people had chosen any third party.
Remember. Vote early and vote often.
I'm reminded of the voting chapter of the film Gangs of New York
@@HM2SGT yeah, that was great! Get a shave and vote again lol
In all the U.S. history courses I took, this fiasco was never mentioned.
That includes the 8th grade U.S. Constitution course and exam I took in California to graduate from the 8th grade, the Civics course and exam in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the US Constitution course at Iowa State University, the U.S. Constitution course at Barstow Community College in California and the U.S. Constitution and Nevada History course at the University of Nevada at Reno.
Interesting!
@Glen Martin, Maybe it was not mentioned due to corruption of this election. No point in “airing dirty linen in public.”
(posting this before I watch later.) My grandmother, born in 1897, often spoke about this election, having heard about it from her mother, who was born in 1854. At that time, there were at least three daily papers in central Vermont, with both of the major parties having at least one advocate. After the long wrangle and the report of the special commission, the paper favoring the Democrats ran a banner at the top of the page, apparently for some months, that proclaimed, "TILDEN ELECTED, HAYES COUNTED IN!" Almost, kinda, sorta sounds familiar, don't it??
@Robert Black, so true!!!!
Another great THG video 📹 👏
Hmmm, it's quite evidently that this did not begin 2020.
Or 2016. Or 2000.
History really does repeat itself...
"The Long Depression" is almost entirely mythical. It is the result of later historians not understanding economics and so simply assuming that a lengthy period of steadily lowering prices must mean there was an economic disaster in progress. People at the time, however, didn't mention anything of the sort going on. What was really happening was the supply of money couldn't quite keep up with economic growth, which forced the value of money up and prices down.
@working_country ___Hardly. We have records of currency being devalued and the resulting price inflation going back to at least Classical Rome. It also happened when Spain looted all that gold and silver from Aztec and Inca empires. It happened periodically in England when the Crown would debase the metal the coinage was minted from (and was largely undone when Elizabeth I systematically undebased all the coinage and issued high-purity coins again). Inflation wasn't all THAT bad in the US until the US went fully fiat currency in the 1970's. I was a kid, but even I noticed that there was an order of magnitude increase in prices between when I started primary school in 1975 and ended middle school in 1984.
Much like how "The Dark Ages" was and is still viewed as a period of time where nothing was going on.
@@vulpsturm Which is an easy mistake to make if you only look at documents, which are relatively scarce in the period we call the Middle Ages. If you look at what actually happened, there was a LOT going on in Europe in the period. Huge migrations, massive wars, great (if incredibly dirty and smelly) cities were built, and by the later half of the period you've got the construction of massive cathedrals and castles that still exist all over Europe. (Fun fact: France spent a larger proportion of it's total productivity building cathedrals than the US did to go to the moon in the 1960's. The results were some of the largest indoor spaces created before the 20th century.)
Interesting.
@working_country ___ "which is why inflation (devaluing currency) was invented."
Please tell me you're joking. Inflation as a economic concept dates back to the Romans.
This one was fascinating
Vote early and vote often.
That was Lincoln's advice to the Whigs, when he was one.
All of which goes to show that the outcome of the election is very much alive until the senate finalises it in America’s indirect democracy. I found it interesting that Pence says he couldn’t have overturned the outcome. I think rather he had the power to choose the result that hadn’t yet happened by choosing different electors, but he chose not to out of decency.
This sounds so familiar.
It's a really deja vu sort of thing.
Agreed. So little has changed.
Can you imagine what a political shakeup on both sides would happen if every American viewed this video?
We DID NOT learn THIS in our Education in the State of California. Love this, yet...
Those who study history are not as prone to go into shock when tragic history does repeat itself. At least they have some time to prepare.
History often repeats...you, you know the thing.
Are you referring to "His Fraudulency the Second"?
@@mlconley Thanks, I'm stealing that....just like the election.
The 1876 election is the second most safe and secure election ever.
There was no evidence of widespread fraud.
Stop spreading misinformation. Or we'll have to charge you for sedition.
@@slowturtle6745 🤣
It might not repeat but it sure does rhyme.
I thought he was more commonly referred to as "Rutherfraud".
And the wheel of History just keeps on turning. :)
Best retelling I've ever heard. Anything I'd ever read on this before makes it sound like the back-room deal was a "for sure" thing, and failed to mention that Hayes was in favor of South home rule before the controversy.
oh did we leave that part out? that's one thing the South didn't forget but they did bring it on themselves in a lot of ways..spoken as a Southerner
I remember reading about these times in the US History; first in High School and later in college. Interesting. Makes some of the more recent political doings in America look pretty tame by comparison, sounds like. I am fond of PBS' historical documentaries, but there have only a few such about these historical points given in this clip. It might be informative if there were more?
I wonder how many years it took before they called it ACTUAL fraud.
Long after it was too late, as usual. It's like the fake election was actually made in a lab.
missing chads
Why are there two Dakotas? Also why are Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming three states instead of one? Apparently it was a scheme of Republicans to assure themselves of a majority in the Senate. They figured that they could have 10 senators instead of just 4.
Gerrymandering on a national Continental scale?🤔
So you just assume those states vote Republican?
@@northdakotaham1752 That was the assumption at the time the decisions were made. Can you not read?
@@nedludd7622 does that assumption include cheating on elections?
@@northdakotaham1752 What does that have to do with anything?
Blaine, Blaine, James G. Blaine. Continental liar from the State of Maine!
The things one remembers after 45-50 years...
"Burn this letter!"
James G. Blaine: a man too corrupt to be elected president even in the Gilded Age.
History worth remembering indeed
But not history that should be re-lived and should be a cautionary tale. The election of 1876 didn't install a communist whose corruption permeated the entire executive branch.
It's always a good time when Dan the man Sickles gets brought up
Boy, politics was great back in those days! That was the first of six straight close presidential elections during the Gilded Age. A book about this election is "The Stolen Election" by Lloyd Robinson, published in 1968.
Today's lesson: politicians will always be politicians.
Thanks for this piece of history. It seems the former administration DID read their history after all.
“We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” joe biden
which administration?
you actually think biden got more votes than anyone ever? I would if cornpop was his VP
A fascinating account of this little corner if history is Gore Vidal's "1876," his sequel to "Burr."
The Hayes home in Freemont, Ohio is worth the visit if you're ever in north-central Ohio. The President and Mrs. Hayes are buried in a family plot out in the yard, flanked by the graves two of Hayes' Civil War horses.
I'm glad the horses were civil; so many are NOT!
Fremont is in Northwest Ohio, not North Central. It's approximately 30 miles East of Toledo on U.S. 20 and I've lived in the area my entire 53 years. Other than that, you're right, the Hayes House and Museum are definitely worth visiting. They're actually having sleigh rides on the grounds this weekend.
I stand correct... I meant to say "Civil War horses"!
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I stand correct... I meant to say "Civil War horses"!
@@MikeBrown-ii3pt Sound great... thanks for the info Mike!
Hayes attended my alma mater!
I'm surprised that you didn't make the connection between the election of 1876 and the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which was passed to deal with the problems revealed by the 1876 election. That Act had a key role to play in the 2020 election.
Oh how history does repeat itself
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
"The struggle’s no longer just who gets to vote. It’s about who gets to count the vote." joe biden. but politifact assures me potato joe doesnt hold similar beliefs as ole uncle joe.
Like our last Presidential Election.
Democracy is always messy. But, of all the ways possible to transfer power, it usually does so with the least bloodshed.
The things change the more they stay the same
Sounds familiar
thanks!!!
We have seen some dark days in America, days we are not proud of. May God have mercy on us All.
The 1876 election may be regarded as the "golden dawn" of the south's Jim Crow era.
And history is now repeating.
@@maryrichards157 apparently
democrats gonna democrat........
I always think that things just couldn't get any worse, then I look at history.
Sometimes when people do learn history they learn how others got away with things. School for Scandal.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes." ~ Mark Twain
Tilden, great fella.
It does seem that, while much more subdued, the election of 2020 could easily appear on the same list as the election of 1876, if further down on that list.
i would say above because of sheer volume of fraud. there were probably more fraudulent votes "cast" in 2020 then the whole of 1876.
Hanging Chad's come to mind...
Or
Find me 700+ vote's
History hasn't changed
Throw out the electoral college
“We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” joe biden
"The struggle’s no longer just who gets to vote. It’s about who gets to count the vote." also joe biden......
Wow, doesn’t this sound familiar. The more things change the more they stay the same.
"More votes than Obama got!"
@@vulpsturm why it's almost as if population grows with time
Not in this case though because unlike that election then, there's no evidence of any tampering of votes unless you count what Bonespur Spanky was trying to set in motion.
@@PDVism Yep, it just coincided with the largest use of mail-in voting in our country's history. Absolutely no opportunity for tampering there.
@@Brian-li5up And just hours before the votes were tallied and one party was in the lead all of a sudden there was a blackout in the deciding state, all the cameras turned off and all the certifiers from a single party were thrown out of the room. Doors locked and cardboard was thrown up over the windows. Then after about two hours they unlocked the door and said it was actually the party that was loosing that won.
They don't really teach about the Reconstruction era in school. I first got a better understanding of it through genealogical research. Most of my family lines start in Salem , Massachusetts Bay Colony (the part now called Beverly), and seemed to either linger in Essex County or spread out north into Maine and New Hampshire, but one distant cousin ("Witchcraft" Mark Haskell) skipped out on jury duty in the witch trials and skipped town down to Rochester in Plymouth Colony. Eventually a descendant, Colonel Elnathan Haskell (pictured in John Trumbull's "Surrender of General Burgoyne" - 7th from the right with the red lapels) moved to the Zante Plantation in South Carolina. Descendants of his became Confederate officers in the Civil War with two brothers (Lt. Col. John Cheves Haskell and Colonel Alexander Cheves Haskell) eventually leading the artillery and cavalry to the surrender at Appomattox. In 1876 they supported Wade Hampton III for governor of South Carolina (John married Wade's daughter Sally Buchanan Hampton and Alex got a seat as an associate justice in the South Carolina Supreme Court). In 1890 Alex ran against Benjamin Tillman for governor of South Carolina (didn't win, though).