5 Incredible Things Jesus said about the Holy Spirit - Who is the Holy Spirit?
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Title: 5 Incredible Things Jesus said about the Holy Spirit - Who is the Holy Spirit?
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Praise to our Lord Jesus
God didn't add another day in your life because you need it he gave it because someone out there needs you praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all......
Anotherwords the holy Sprite of God and his Glory Love and future of man...😮😮😮😊😊😊😊😊
Praise to our Lord Jesus Christ ✝️🙏Amen.
Pay more attention to your Creator than your critics praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all......
Amen that is True
I incredibly embrace The Holy Spirit ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Amen 🙏
THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVE AMONGST US HERE ON EARTH ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TO REPENT AND HUMBLE YOUR SELF TO PRAY ASKING WISDOM AND ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT
Aww he’s definitely on this earth, the pause was when Jesus died and got glorified, till the Holy Spirit was born. Lbs no one will know who he is because he is within meaning his truth and comfort is within everyone. The Bible also says he the Holy Spirit can’t speak on himself because is like everyone on earth which means no one will believe him. Only he and devil knows that he has come. We all living in the 4th seal of revelation. Jesus is the son God and the son man is the Holy Spirit who will lead all chosen ones.
I love you Jesus I believe and trust in you Jesus Amen in Jesus name 🙏🙏
Everyday the Holy Spirit leads me and guides me and I have been to combat in Iraq plus I made the Honor Roll in College. God gets all the honor, glory and praise ❤🎉🙏
Thanks!
Jesus Christ died for our Sins according to the scriptures and that he was Buried and that he Rose again the third day praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all.....
Amen thank you Holy Spirt 🙏 ❤❤ in the name of Jésus for the Holy ghost and Spirt ❤❤❤much love ❤️
AMEN HALLELUJAH THANK YOU. LOTS OF 💕 FOR UI HOLY SPIRIT.❤🌹💜🌹❣️🌹💗💗
thank you
From the LORD 🙏🏻 GOD 🙏🏻 Jesus Christ 🙏🏻 from his holy name and holy blood 🙏🏻 holy spirit 🙏🏻 will rebuke all curses and Evilss eyes 🧿 and Evilss sickness in Jesus Christ 🙏🏻 name 🙏🏻🌎🙏🏻❤
THANKYOU ABBA FATHER FOR THY 👑🤍🕊️🕯️🔥 HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH THY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST OUR SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN. I MYSELF CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT THY SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND CORRECTION. IN JESUS NAME. AMEN 🙏💙💙💙💙
All The Rest will leaves you but Him never
#1 I ❤adore The Holy Spirit can’t wait to learn more
Amen what can do with out the Holy Spirt??? I can't do with out you ❤❤❤❤ Thank you for being my friend hiep my Adivoca ❤❤❤ much love ❤️ 💕 💗 💙 💓 ♥️ ❤️
Amen 🙏!
REMEMBER OUR GOD IS 3 in 1 IN GOD THE FATHER HE GAVE JESUS CHRIST TO SAVE US LORD JESUS CHRIST HE IS OUR SALVATION HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO KINGDOM OF GOD AND TO THE HEAVEN
Where does it say that God is three in one in the Bible???? I know that in Isaiah at 43:10, 11 and 44:6,8 and 45:5,6,14,18,21×2, 22 and 46:9 all say that He is God and there is NO OTHER. There had been none before and none after. And since Malachi 3:6 says that "I am the LORD and I do not change and yet you think that he changed and became three. I'm sorry but my God doesn't lie to me. If he says he's the only one then that's what it means. And if you think I dishonor Jesus by saying that he's not God Almighty, you're wrong. I honor him by knowing who and what he is and was. Which is something I highly doubt you know since you believe in the pagan belief that God is three. And I don't want to hear he's God in the flesh because that's not in the Bible either. Yes the Bible says to use discernment but you're going way overboard with that way of thinking along with your religion. Which if that's what you want to believe in. Well that's on you. But as for God being three in one, hmmm well the last time I read in the scriptures at Genesis 22:14, Exodus 6:3, 17:15, Judges 6:24, 2 Samuel 22:32, Psalms 83:18, and Isaiah 12:2, 26:4 in the King James Bible it said that Jehovah was God Almighty. Not Jehovah and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Just Jehovah is God Almighty. Again, your religion telling more lies, and you spreading that lie doesn't make it so. Read your Bible and understand who God Almighty is because my King James Bible says that everywhere you read LORD all capitalized that it means Jehovah. Says it plain as day, and yes, I know about the tetragrammaton and YHWH. But its still not three individuals were talking about. It's just one that is God Almighty and the Bible says it over and over and over again and again and yet you and your religion spread these lies. Again Malachi 3:6 say I do not change and yet two pages later you and your religion completely ignore him and say three are one. But even in the New Testament it still says he's One and that's it. Mark 12:29-32, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6, Romans 3:30, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Timothy 2:3-5 and there's probably some imm missing but they all say that GOD IS ONE. And what exactly do you think that means??? With the way you twist the scriptures, there is no telling. I get that you want to spread the word, but you're spreading it by telling lies. God is Jehovah and there is NO OTHER BESIDES HIM. This is why Jesus tell you at Matthew 4:10 "It is written, it is the LORD your God you must worship and it is him alone you must serve. That is Jehovah pal. Not three are one. And I know what your doctrine states. It says that all three are equal and all three are all-knowing. So why doesn't Jesus know when Heaven and earth are passing away if he's equal and all-knowing like your doctrine says that he is???? Why does Jesus himself say that the father (aka Jehovah) is greater than I am. And as for "The father and I are one. Well John 17:22 take care of that little misrepresentation that your church leaders have lied to you about. If the congregation is one just as Jesus and the Father are one I guess that means that the congregation is God too. Wow!! Because they are one just as Jesus and the Father are one. Wow!! You really need to step back and read the Bible without any study Bibles and without anyone showing you what this scripture means or that scripture means. You need to just read the scriptures and don't listen to anyone but what Jesus is saying. Pay attention to him. Because he's saying a lot more than what you think he's saying. For instance John 13:16 "A servant is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. Who and what is he talking about here???
He's talking about himself pal. Jesus is called the servant of God 6 times that I know of in the Bible Acts 3:13, 3:26, 4:27, 4:30 and Isaiah 42:1 and Isaiah 53:13 to 54. And he says he was sent by someone else 24 times in the 4 gospels. See what I mean about listening to him??? Pay attention to his every word because it means something. Just as John 5:41 I do not accept glory from men. Well if he's God why doesn't he accept glory from men??? I thought all glory went to God. So why wouldn't Jesus accept glory from men??? Because he's not God Almighty. Good luck with your religion and I will pray for you.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk THEN YOU DONT WANT TO BE BORN AGAIN TO THE WATER USING IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT???
@@ScottRock-mr6qk TO THE MANKIND THE GOD IS 3 in 1 BUT IN THE HEAVENLY REALM ESPECIALY ANGELIC REALM THERES ONLY ONE GOD WHO CREATED THEM THIER LORD IS THIER GOD
@user-be8dx4oh5o So, now you're just making things up as you go. Boy, you trinitrians are really good at that. However, that's not how it works. There is only one God. Here and in heaven. Since Jesus is dead and no longer on earth, that means he's in heaven too, with the only one God that you just said is just one God. So here's what's up with Jesus. Jesus was given the power of God by God to show you, and I and the Jews who didn't believe in him, that he was the chosen one or Messiah. This is why Isaiah said that he would be called Mighty God. And even Paul said that Jesus is the Power and Wisdom of God. But that doesn't make him God Almighty. And that works here on earth just as it does in heaven. Again Mark 12:29-32 Jesus is talking to a scribe and the scribe asks what commandments are first and Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:4,5 The LORD our God is ONE God and you must love your God with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength. And the second is to love your neighbor. And the scribe said to Jesus. Teacher you spoke well in line with the truth. He is only ONE, and there is no other. Well right there and then Jesus could have said No! There's me too, but he didn't say that at all. In fact, all he said to the scribe was that you are not far from the Kingdom of Heaven. Because the scribe said the truth to Jesus.
I want to help you understand something about who Jesus truly was. You need to read Zechariah 12:8 Galatians 4:14 and even Daniel 3:24-28. All three of these scriptures is gonna say that Jesus (before coming here to earth was what he truly was). And I'm gonna quote Zechariah for you now. "In that day, the one who is feeble among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD Jehovah that goes before them." Soooo in this scripture, it says that the house of David will be like God. Sooo who in the line of David is most like God?? It wasn't Solomon with all his wisdom No, and it wad any of the rest of David's offspring either because they all did what was bad in God's eyes. There was one though in that line that was most like God and his name wad Jesus. Jesus is the one most like God because he's the only one that healed the crippled and made the blind see and raised the dead back to life. And if Jesus is the answer to the first part of that scripture, he's also the answer to the second part of the scripture too. Which is, like the Angel of the LORD Jehovah that goes before them. Exodus 23:20,21 is where it talks about the Angel of Jehovah going before them (the Israelites) where it says "I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on your way into the place I have prepared for you. Pay attention to him and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions because my name is in him.
There are a couple of things here. 1) What angel would have the power to not pardon transgressions?? And 2) did you happen to catch that last bit?? "Because my name is in him." Do you know what Jesus's name means?? Jehovah is salvation, or Jehovah saves is what Jesus's name means. My name is in him. I have more to share with you if you care to understand who Jesus truly is and was. Much more in fact.
PART 2) So I just told you about Zechariah and Exodus. Now hear what's at Daniel 3:24-28, and I'm only going to give you a rough outline of what's happening. Shadrach, Meshach, and Anednego have been thrown into the furnace because they wouldn't worship Nebuchadnezzar statue. And when Nebuchadnezzar looks in he says "I see what looks like three men and the fourth looks like the "SON OF GOD" and later at 28 after he's let them out he says "Praise the God of Shad,Mesh and Abed for he sent his "ANGEL" to rescue them from the firey furnace. That angel is Jesus. Some will tell you that all angels are sons of God, which is true, and so are we. However, in this particular case, it is actually Jesus in that furnace with Shadrach, Meshach, and Anednego. Because that's the way the scripture reads. Because Shadrach, Meshach, and were loyal and faithful to God, God sent his son to rescue them from being killed by Nebuchadnezzar. And as for Galatians 4:14, Paul says, "But you received me like an angel, like Christ Jesus. Jesus is the Angel of the LORD Jehovah, it was Jesus that spoke to Moses in the burning bush and it was Jesus that wrestled with Jacob in Genesis because if you believe that Jacob wrestled with God Almighty and survived when the Bible is clear about "No man may see me and survive" then you'd be wrong. This is why the Bible says that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. So, moving on, it was Jesus that appeared to Balaam's donkey in Numbers, and it was Jesus that spoke to Manoah in Judges. Jesus is the Angel of Jehovah and even Proverbs 8:22-31 pretty much confirms that where he says "I was possessed some say produced by him from the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements long ago." Then at 30, he says,"Then I was beside him as a Mastercraftsman." Soooo, what was he Mastercrafting??? Us!! This is why it says that all things were created through Jesus at John 1:3 because God (aka Jehovah) spoke it, and Jesus did it. "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE:"And Jesus did it because he saw how God made the Heavens and Earth and the Waters. And then God turned his only son loose and let him make things. Do you understand now?? I don't disrespect or dishonor Jesus by not saying he's not God, but I honor him by knowing who he truly is. I love Jesus, but I love his father even more because he gave us Jesus. The Bible says to know the Son is to know the Father, and I have come to know who Jesus is, and by that, I hope to know God. Dig dig into the Bible and find the answers that you are looking for because I did, and I found them. I asked a question to a friend once, what was Jesus before he came to earth as a man. And I found it. He was the Angel of Jehovah. He is the Mighty God that Isaiah said he'd be. Buy is he God Almighty? No! Only Jehovah is God Almighty. Here on earth and in heaven, too. So about him being created Colossians 1:15, is that true? Was Jesus the firstborn of all creatures?? Yes, he was because Colossians 1:17 says he is to be first in all things. Sooo Jehovah created him first, and then, as I said already, Jesus created everything else. The Bible says he was the firstborn three different places by three different writers, and I don't reject anything the Bible says. Revelation 3:14 "This is what the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, "the beginning of the creation by God." Explain that scripture to me if he's not created.. I know you didn't say he wasn't created, but most trinitarians don't believe he was created. But he was, by Jehovah himself. Be cool, Unknown. I hope all of what I've said helps because to know the accurate knowledge of who and what Jesus and Jehovah are is important. That made up stuff that it takes three to be God is false teachings and you should watch what they're saying to you. Question EVERYTHING. Because that's what the Bible tells you to do at 1 John 4:1 "Test the inspired statement to be sure that it originates with God." Sooo test what they're are teaching you. Is God three in one, or is God just One as the Bible says he is. I haven't even touched on the Holy Spirit. But I'll say this about it. The Holy Spirit is God's own spirit that he gives freely to those who are loyal and faithful to him. He doesn't give it to those who do evil works. That's why the Bible says that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative, just like Jesus couldn't either. See there is only one God even here on earth. Do be fooled by those Liars that ate teaching you the wrong path to God. Be stronger than them and stay on the road that's bumpy and cramped. Get off that broad and spacious road and don't go through that large gate. Because it'll doom you. Learn more about who Jesus is Unknown. Listen to everything he says. Because it means something.
Where in the Bible does it say that the fullness of the Holy Spirit was limited to the first Christians? I believe this is limiting what the Holy Spirit can and does do!
The entire new Testament tells us after the resurrection the HolySpirit an all the Blessings were vanished.. Not present. Until the Word of. God us Restored. The church of Jesus Christ has Restored the Holy word of Holy Bible... The Holy spirit can niw only be activated thru repenting from your heart. Confessing with our mouth. And being Baptized in the Holy blood of Christ Jesus... Ask an you will know this TRUTH. I love you an HOPE you follow his Teaching.. In Jesus Christ HOLY name i say this... Amen.
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THE HOLY SPIRIT IS OUR GUIDANCE COMFORTER DELIVERER AND A WORD OF GOD BUT OUR SALVATION IS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
Jesus sacrificed himself so that sin could be removed and the Spirit of God could once again tolerate and combine with the spirit of man. This marriage between spirits results in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Which is to say a human spirit indwelled by the Spirit of God. Which before Christs sacrifice was not possible do to sin. Christ came as the first, showing us how this new species of mankind was to operate while advancing the Kingdom of God here on earth.
JESUS surely appreciates us being grateful but the fact of the matter is he wants us to do as he did...so we got to get rid of all this care about money and the material things in this world take up his yoke and do as he did! We all owe him big time much LOVE to all you my brothers and sisters!❤❤❤
Jesus IS the spirit of Truth. The spirit of Truth was personified in the alligorical gospel stories.
Gorly to God the Father Yahway, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit
AMEN PLEASE NOTE TO NEVER REFER TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AS IT/IT'S AGAIN... HE IS THE REVERED 3RD PERSON IN THEE HOLY TRINITY. PLEASE MAKE CORRECTION GOING FORWARD & I BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION IN GOOD FAITH SHALOM SELAH🙌✝️🔥👑
I see without sight when I see inocence that your god let it go
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Psalm 77:20
You led your people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron.
Hosea 12:13
By a prophet the Lord brought Israel up from Egypt, and by a prophet he was guarded.
Acts 3:22-23
Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
John 8:28
So Jesus said to them, When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.
John 12:49-50
I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment-what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.
John 12:48
The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
1 Peter 4:16-18
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?
2 Peter 2:5-9
if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Hebrews 12:4
In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
1 Peter 2:11
Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul.
Galatians 5:24
Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 Peter 4:2
so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.
Ephesians 4:22-24
to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
1 John 3:2-3
Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
1 Corinthians 15:58
Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
2 Chronicles 15:7
But you, take courage! Do not let your hands be weak, for your work shall be rewarded.
Psalm 58:11
Mankind will say, Surely there is a reward for the righteous; surely there is a God who judges on earth.
Matthew 10:41-42
The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward. And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
James 1:25
The one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Colossians 3:17
Whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
One thing I have to discern is that Jesus did not say in the Bible that The Holy Spirit that he is going to teach you new things that jesus has not taught you!!! then that means you can add to the Bible as you wish!!!! be careful he's going to remind you what jesus taught you and he's gonna tell you what's right and what's wrong those are the 2 things.
Our Unbegotten God:
‘Unbegotten’ means “not created; having no beginning; eternal.” God the Father is the source of existence for *ALL THINGS.* We were chosen from within him before the foundations of the world, which in turn makes us eternal as well. We were always with God before the world was, but after Adam and Eve committed sin, we became separated from God. Sin cannot be in the presence of God. This is why God sent his only begotten Son to die for our sins-to seek and save that which has become lost and to reconcile us back to God.
Jesus has come to bring us back home to the Father; the one and only God.
To me the Holy Spirit is the human Spirit combined with the spirit of God. In the Old Testament God was separated from the people and it was the story of our journey back to him. In the New Testament God was indwelled within one individual Human being, Jesus, who came showing us the way to what we were to he going forward. After Jesus sacrificed himself to take away the gulf sin created between God and man this opened the door for a new kind of creation, a new species of mankind on earth. Which is that of a human being whos spirit is indwellt by the Spirit of God. Thus was born, and manifested the work of God on earth as "The Holy Spirit" which is to say through his believers, those adopted as sons and daughters, those whos spirits have been combined with Gods through the forgiveness of sin. So the Holy Spirit is US. Or those of us who have been redeemed and now carry on the work that Jesus began of revealing and advancing the Kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven until the day of the Lord comes to pass.
0:43! HalleluJah! The Father, The Son, & The Holy Spirit Are Male! King of Kings, Lord Of Lords!
I find the AI pictures desturbing and destracting from thr Word...l get more from the message when l listen with my eyes closed but my ears open ..as Jesus said LET HIM WHO HAS EARS...HEAR!..real Photos of nature would be more edifying...than many that accompany this message...
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About your wealth. You’re on a lot of other comments.
I stabbed hard my Bible Ten Times , the blade went as deep as 2 Chronicles 29:27.
Why forbidden in Asia
Don't Worry! The Lord Came To Save ALL Who Call Upon HIS Name! Be Blessed!
--------- BIBLICAL REVELATION -------- THE ENEMY OF GOD IS PRIDE, PRIDE, PRIDE! Look in the mirror before choosing your words... after all word is recipe for the bread. What is bread? but what we (b)read.... what is butter? but what we (b)utter? So I ask you... WHAT IS YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER? Both relate to WORD for the (b)urning (b)ush is WORD
the earth ís flat plane, not a spinning ball. there is no "outer space"
" For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's; he has set the circle of the earth upon them." - 1.Samuel 2:8 - Bible 1933/1938
The Holy Spirit is The Softer Side of GOD/female/wife. FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. FATHER SON AND, HOLY. MOTHER. Not Mother Mary.
Really? As It Is Written! KJV - John 16 : 7 & 16 : 8 "The Comforter Will not come unto You; but if I depart, I Will send HIM unto You.” “And when HE is come, HE will Reprove The World of Sin, and of Righteousness, and of Judgment:”
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PROPHET ISAAYAA's GOD COME WITH ME CHILDREN AS TEACH NEW EXPLANATIONS ABOY HOLY BIBLE
No you are wrong, holy spirit is the source of the new testament n hence is the absolute authority for the bible, not the other way. For the holy spirit is God himself.
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AMEN!!
I love you all and I’m praying for each and every one of you!!! Wont be long my Brothers and Sisters!!! Keep praying for our lost!!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
--------- BIBLICAL REVELATION -------- GOD is I AM, The Messiah is the CROSS and we AIM towards the truth (cross) - How do you hit the cross (target) but through true AIM :) Why are we AIM? because there is only ONE GOD the "I" therefore is FIRST. We are not to put our "I" first as this is PRIDE so we put our I in the middle of God, thus we reach our target YWHW --- SO SIMPLE, IT'S SOW OBVIOUS
The holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus (God manifest in the flesh :1 Timo 3:16)
ROMANS 8:9... But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST he is none of his.
The Holy Spirit is our Mother
Chapter and verse??????? .
@@jacquesvincent3897 Gen 1: 26 ,27 for starters