Building a pc later in december, decided to buy my brothers old sapphire pulse rx 590 instead of an rx 6400 or even a brand new rx 580 8gb, i got it for about $100 US. This video made me feel much better about my purchase. Paired with a non pcie gen 4 ryzen 5 5500 made me feel even better. Thanks for the recommendation, i feel like I’m getting a much better deal than i would have been without this channel and video.
@@mihan2d i knew if i was going to buy a used card i would buy that one because i know that it has been taken care of. Whereas buying another card I wouldn’t have that luxury. I had looked at 1070’s and was planning on one of those until my brother told me about his
@@BiboyEats you did good. You got a good deal and your brother got rid of his used card that you know the history of. Perfect. Nice to see you and your brother helping each other. Now, both of you, tidy your room! :-)
In my eyes the 570 is subpar to the 1060 6 gig, never mind the 1070. They are even worse than the 970. The 580 8gig will trade blows with the 1060 6 gig on a good day but it cannot touch the 1070, perhaps except some super radeon friendly games. Just saying.
@@maciejszajnicki4479 dude, RX 580 4gb when brand new had the msrp of GTX 1060 3gb. Rx 570 was between GTX 1050 Ti and GTX 1060 3gb in price. RX 590 was just a little more expensive than GTX 1060 6gb, but still less expensive than GTX 1070
@Scarlet Dani No fanboyism here whatsoever, I build around 20 price/performance systems per year, I know these cards, I am speaking from experience. Polaris was an excellent product but you should know how it compares nonetheless. I love the card for what it is, price wise especially. The 570/80/90 was 470/80 on steroids, they run hot but they have their place on the market.
I would say 3070 to 3080 class Nvidia cards have better value due to DLSS and way better ray tracing perf, especially if longevity is something you care about. But 6800/XT is still a great option on second hand market if you can pick it up under 400 USD.
I still use my RX 580 8GB, best card for 180€ back then. Runs at 1300MHz with 1040mv and 2250MHz vram clock, I gained a few frames and it consumes 130-140 watts. Thanks for the video.
1300? mine runs at 1411MHz stock. Sadly I tried OCing it and while it will hold 2250 mem or up to 1491 core it crashes eventually during the day, presumably because one of the gpu fans is dead so I removed it. but yeah it's awesome man and has been killing it for me for 1080p gaming up until now, maxing out at 180W :) gonna upgrade to the 6900XT this year though I'm excited
You should be able to run it around 1340 min with just the auto overclocking feature in the control panel, I run mine at 1380 in afterburner with +40 power, OCng the ram can actually hurt you're fps, I wouldn't recommend running it over 2200 in case of throttling, an old benchmark title that really shows off well the drop in frames when a too high OC is applied is metro last light
Living in Pakistan, a country where you rarely get access to current gen tech without obscene prices, The 2nd hand market is our primary means of building a gaming PC. So it's bittersweet to see that while Nvidia and AMD both are releasing worse budget cards, the old ones (which are cheaper) still hold up extremely well. Also just wanna say that this is the first channel i started following when it was really small cause it focused on Budget Gaming. Makes me happy that even though the channel has grown to a very large scale, you still focus on budget options more than premium ones.
It's called low budget not budget.Yes nowadays low end used hardware especially rx 570 ,rx 580 ,GTX 1650 super and GTX 1660 super struggles in modern games although these graphics cards are still equal or better to rx 6400 ,6500xt and rtx 3050 by the way I am from Pakistan as well.This guy also reviews high-end something which I don't get bored while even if I don't own .
very useful video rg in hd i was looking for a cheap card for my cousin to play games on a budget.i personally have the 1660 super it outperformes the rx590 but prices are still too high here in greece.anyway love your videos i am a fan of your work for many years and many greetings from greece!!!
I have a the rx 590 in my current system. I stream and play most games at medium/high settings with a 60+ fps experience at 1080p. This card has very much exceeded my expectations and longevity as newer more demanding games came out.
I know the 6400 is 53w max (AMDs figure) but you're right, I'd love to see some actual in use figures. My Lenovo m910T is severely limited by a 210w psu so the 590 is right out.
Yeah power usage really kills the deal factor for older cards, especially if you add in the fact that they have short expected lifespans due to ETH mining, and no warranty. If you've got a decent Visa/Mastercard, that 1 year warranty on the new graphics card becomes a 2 year warranty for free.
@@Bruno_Laion The actual power draw without excessive OCing isnt always that high, I have a mildly OC'ed 5600XT and auto OC'ed Ryzen 5600, and even running GPU and CPU stress tests, my entire System only reaches 300 watts. That's everything, 2 NVME drives, 2 SSDs and 3 HDDS, plus peripherals, audio amp, and 32" 1440p monitor. However, I would like to have seen the actual GPU power draw as well, in these days of high electricity prices in the UK; even an extra 50 watt power draw adds up over a month; especially if like me, gaming is a 4-6 hour per day experience - I am too ill to do much else, and even that total is often split into 1-2 hour stints before I have to go lie down.
@@dingchavez1960 My rx 580 was mined for 3 years. Ive been using it the last year in my main rig with no problems. Miners generally undervolt their cards and take better care of them than normal consumers.
The 590 is just a overclocked 580 that has a TDP of around 150 watts. Overclocked it will burn 180 watts and isn't efficient. The 6400 burns around 100 watts. The 6400 reminds me of the 1050. It just sucks.
@@benjy117 what are u on about? 6400 doesnt consume 100 watts. its mere purpose is to be a giga efficient gpu for office usage. it was never meant to be a gaming gpu
@@gS-kt2ff Most of the games I play are around overwatch 2 level in terms of requirements, so I run them fine at 1080p high 100+ fps. I don't really play any single player AAA titles like tomb raider or GOW, but I'm sure those run fine too
@@gS-kt2ff I actually have a 1080 now - my 1060 is in a second build. It amazes me how these younger people are completely against buying anything pre 20 series when the higher end 10 series cards are still so powerful
(6400/6500XT pricing etc issues aside) What surprises me is the fact you can get an Rx6400 that’s soooo tiny (half height single slot design), has ~75%+ of the Rx590s performance yet uses less than half its power and runs cooler 👍🥰.
@@purplegill10 True, but that's pretty much your only option right now. Anything less nets you progressively flawed GPUs and anything more, at least for Team Green and Team Blue, nets you diminishing returns and spotty performance respectively. At least in 2017 you had more than one choice new.
@@purplegill10 The RX 6600 is in a bit of a tricky situation; the PCIe 4.0 x8 shouldn't be a problem, but as I bought it for a system with a Ryzen 5700G, I'm limited to PCIe 3.0 x8. It's a shame AMD limited their APUs to PCIe 3.0 and limited their lower-end GPUs to less than x16, the combination means I would have been better off getting an Intel CPU. It's not as bad as the RX 6500, which is x4, but still - I'm not getting the FPS I would have gotten from the card with either a Ryzen 5600X or a Core i5 12400. And the 5600X wasn't an option at the time, due to the lack of iGPU. The Ryzen 7000 series is much better in that regards, unfortunately their iGPUs are weaker than either Intel or AMD's own older APUs. I hope the 7000G series will do well and prove to AMD high-powered iGPUs on high-powered CPUs supporting medium-powered GPUs is the way forward, for budget-conscious customers.
@@c99kfm Wait really? I've yet to hear anything about x8 limiting the 6600 including friends of mine who have it with their pcie 3.0 systems. This is coming from a guy who's using a 6500XT on a pcie _2.0_ due to a broken motherboard.
Picked up a Sapphire Nitro+ 590 back in 2019 for just under $200 USD. Still is the heart of my system, though I am eyeing an RX 6600 for an upgrade. Might wait and see what the 7000 series has on offer first. Still happy enough with my 590!
I bought a 5600 xt and let me tell you, I'm pretty satisfied with it. It cost me 170 in August, it surely keeps dropping in price. It might be a good option for content in your channel. I love the niche that you cover and the manner in which you do your presentation. Cheers
@@EvocativeKitsune it is a phantom D3, it runs silent and cool my only complaint is that i cant turn its led lighting but at least it's pretty tame. I had a 650 so it was a huge improvement. I have a 10100f that pairs really well with it. Great card, it seems like it will be relevant for some time.
I got a 5600 xt as well and it's the best GPU I ever had. It runs cool, silent and plays almost anything you throw at it, even nowadays, while consuming max 150w (most of the time much less, if you tune it even under 100 max). it's perfect (in the higher middle range) card that is worth much more than the buck you spend on it.
Polaris is awesome. I bought a 580 8gb a long time ago, and it's still putting out hundreds of fps in competitive games, and maintains 60-120 in new games easily. Idk when I'll upgrade it, but it'll be a long time. The funny thing is, upgrading a CPU was cheaper a year ago, and brought way better results. This R9 5900X and RX580 system is amazing. We managed to virtualize 2 pcs on this thing and play games at the same time. That's crazy from a 580.
My experience exactly. The only reason I sold my 580 8GB, after owning it for 4 years, and bought a 5700 XT was that I switched to a larger, 1440p monitor. Even like that, it was far from unviable (it probably does about as well at 1440p as the 6400 from the video does at 1080p), but still, it's been 4 years and I wanted to maintain the level of performance so the temptation to get a 5700XT was too great (and, at 1440p, the 5700XT actually outperforms 580 running at 1080p). Having said that, the new monitor actually does some kind of upscaling when running games at a lower resolution and it's not magic, but it does the job surprisingly well!
It's incredible how you've described my exact situation: I got an RX6400 (the single fan MSI version) to give some life to my HP oem with a Ryzen 5 3400g, since the 250w PSU can't handle cards that demand pci-e connectors. And I have another system with an RX580 8gb on an even older build, an OC'ed i7 3770k. Your results mirror mine, and I feel somewhat validated in my choices, since there was no other viable upgrade path for my ryzen OEM, and even long on the tooth, my i7 performs decently with the RX580!
They really should make the RX6400 in low profile and perhaps add some more lanes. It would sell like hot cakes for turning SFF Dells into TV boxes and Steam consoles. Nvidia has that market but Linux is not so good with Nvidia. You think you have it all working then you get an update that knocks out your GPU drivers.
@@arcueid3352 I've been looking for low profile RX6400 but never seen them. It's not limited to PCIe 4. It's limited because it does not have enough lanes for PCIe 3 performance.
Very nice to see you comparing those 2 cards, there's just one thing I am worried about, and that's power consumption. Assuming you use a GPU for 2 years, how big would the "true cost" be? I think this should be considered as well
The cheapest RX6400 in Denmark is now around 1050 DKK, which equates to about £120-125 Which could actually earn itself in powerbills in little over a year. Max 75W vs 250W / Real 60W vs 180W - difference being 120-175W an hour. Even with lowest difference of 120 watts an hour, at 4.50 DKK pr kW an hour, for 6 hours gaming a day, 20 days a month, for 12 months equates to some 750 DKK a year, saved in powerbill. (I have an RX 590, Sapphire Gold edition, which rarely goes above 200W on older games.)
This is the main reason I am glad I got a 6400. I have a low profile variant and it is slightly less powerful in terms of performance, but it maxes out at 32W as measured by MSI Kombustor. I have a more powerful graphics card, but I'm currently in college with a pretty weak cooling system, so the performance per watt is amazing for me.
The 590 is pretty much better in nearly all situations I suppose. Unless you're doing a low powered, maybe budget, mini gaming pc where the 6400 makes more sense to exist
I bought a RX 6400 because of its very small size and relatively very good performance compared to the GT 1030 it replaced. I couldn't go with other options because it was either too expansive or too big for my use case.
@@wayland7150 Well, that's the thing: my low profile Sapphire Radeon RX 6400 is thinner than any low profile GTX 1650 I could found - for the same performance-ish _and_ with raytracing support (something I need for work). It cost me €200 (£170) back when GPUs where still quite expansive.
Compared to some newer cards, it's positively frugal. Also, if you slightly limit the boost clock and knock down voltage, you can probably get the consumption waay down and not necessarily even feel it on the performance.
You're kinda underated man. I always enjoy your videos more than i expected. I think you should change your channel name to your name or something easy to remember because right now it gives the impression that it's one of those channels that just post those FPS comparison vidoes and nothing else. Just a suggestion though. Thanks for the conent 👍
Let’s see a comparison with RSR enabled on the 6400. I have the LP version on my wife’s pc and was impressed with how well the scaling worked on her games.
I feel like a 6400XT and a 6500XT that maybe removes the bus limitation, adds even 2GB of VRAM and brings back hardware encoding would make is waaay more appealing. Obviously not gonna happen with RX 7000 right around the corner, but here's hoping that this new gen's budget options will be significantly more reasonable.
Good to see! My old RX 580 is still beating the RX 6400 and is now in the third system, still making someone smile :) PS: Elden Ring is a terrible test game. It's just so inconsistent and graphic settings don't impact anything all that much
My 590 served me well during the GPU shortage and it's still very good for 1080p gaming, I got a 6700xt in July after prices dropped and couldn't be happier
Nice video, its funny how pricing seems to different around the world now in this buyers market, seeing different tech youtubers qoute different prices in quite a wide range. 5700XT ex mining are 200 euro here and would blow these out of the water, power consumption should definitly be in the equation of this review though!
Excellent comparison video. You can also buy an rx 5600 xt for about £140 so that is a good option for a more modern card and 1080p gaming. It even does well with 1440p and lower settings.
I'm this close to buying a RX6600 at 230 from Microcenter but I'm afraid to buy it before RX7000 is released. My bet is prices drop a bit further, not much, but enough. My used 100$ RX580 is still serving me just fine.
I have two friends that are still running the RX 480 GTR Black Editions that they flashed with the 590 BIOS. Almost 7 years on the same cards both from XFX and still cranking. Amazing honestly.
Given the power draw (which randomgaminginHD never mentions 😐), the 6400 is the winner, although I still think the 590 is a better option if that's all that a budget gamer is left with. Otherwise I would consider a 1660 or a 1070, which actually go for relatively good prices.
*_5 years service on mine Sapphire RX 590 SE and still superb performance on 1570 MHz Undervolt pared with Overclocked 2600X to 4.17GHz. Annihilating every game at 1080p._* 🤗
For the same price an RX 5500/5600XT used would leave both GPUs in the dust, and it's a newer and more efficient architecture with further drivers support.
From my point of view, the RX 6400 only makes sense in its low profile one slot variant. It is the most powerful model in that format. But if your PC is compatible with something bigger, the GTX 1660 is a much better option (I have seen them around £180 in the second hand market a few times) Also, some RX 6600 cost around £230 at some retailers, so I wouldn't be surprised if one day I find a second hand one below £200.
Super interesting to see the different system memory usage on the cards (smaller vram buffer = way more system memory used) any thoughts on doing a video diving into it?
I would say for better price to performance, the RX 6600 is a great choice, in the US on amazon if you want to order, it is at $239. I got my XFX 6600 for 319 from best buy during the GPU crisis and it still holds its own amazingly, have not found a game it couldn't handle. Edit: I did not want to start a war over graphics cards haha, just recommending a card I bought that has been serving me pretty well so far. Just chill, I was one step away from turning off notifications for this.
@MonaLisa you absolutely do, on most games the performance improvement is above 50% and it can double the performance in a lot of newer titles. appart from having all the new stuff like RSR, SAM, etc
@MonaLisa rx 6600 is much better option, it's already cheap and also you will get free games, don't forget it can have support for ray tracing, SAM (10-20% FPS BOOST)
@MonaLisa no i mean to say you can do ray tracing if want to try, which is possible, but not with rx 590, and what u said about amd's best competiting against rtx 20 series ? That is wrong, rx 6950x comes close to rtx 3090 ti, and if compared its price is way cheaper than it.
For a die shrink of the 580, which is already a rebrand of the 480, rebranding the 590 doesn't sound ideal to me. It would be as low as Nvidia rebranding the gf108 as a GT730.
@@roxymigurdia-t5p That's exactly what they did by making the Radeon VII. And power efficiency on it is still lame. The only thing that allowed it to catch up on the 2070 is HBM2. Without that, it would've been more like a 2060.
Could you add gpu power draw. When we are doing comparisons on gpus having the cpu power limit is un necessary. I love your videos for how you do them keep it up.
me and my friend both have rx590s, mine is sapphire nitro and his is xfx fatboy. Don't know if we got unlucky with the silicon but these cards can be pretty unsatble in certain games in my experience. I don't think I regret the purchase since they were so cheap back in the day and still hold up, tho an upgrade would be nice in the near future...
I have 2 590's. One in my system and one in my sons. I have the Powercolor version and his is the Gigabyte. Both are stable and never crash. But, the gigabyte's cooler is totally inadequate. When playing an intensive game, the fans cannot stop thermal throttling. I've tried dropping the voltage, which then makes it unstable. Playing with the fan curves, I've tried it without the case side on with a fan blowing in. I've even repasted the die with a quality thermal paste and nothing stops it eventually throttling down. The powercolor one though is completely fine, never have i seen it above 79 degrees...
@@leerobinson8709 Most Polaris cards undervolt insanely well even at out of box clock speeds so that’s a little weird. Have you tried dropping the clock speed a bit then undervolting again? I have a Rx 580 and I can’t go below 1150mv at 1400mhz
I worked in a pc-store before i went to university. We had a few of these XFX RX 590 fatboys for our gaming pcs and you are right, they are the worst cards I have ever seen. 4 out of 10 were unstable out of the box. The cooling system is just too underpowered for the performance tweaked polaris chip. The reason for the instability was the temperature, especially, if the case had a bad air flow. But when im remembering correctly you can switch the bios-switch to a bios with a stricter fan curve. I grabbed one of the fatboys, because the company couldnt sell them and after applying liquid metal all problems were solved and the card stayed at 74 C, even with the quiet bios and no undervolt (which i strongly recommend). But with the Sapphire RX 590 (the blue ones) we never run into these issues...
@@ghardware_3034 mine is the black one, I don't think it's a heat issue, the card rarely goes over 70°C at least according to the sensor. Dropping frequency down to 1500 helps a little but I couldn't find a stable undevolt. The XFX model is just outright bad, I agree
I bought a RX 6400 because of its very small size and relatively very good performance compared to the GT 1030 it replaced. I couldn't go with other options because it was either too expansive or too big for my use case. Also I bought it very impulsively and I am trying to justify it :/
As of now, the only game i cannot really run at 1080p with my rx 590 "out of the ones i own" is forever winter, really graphically demanding and not optimized well as of now, apart from that i can run pretty much everything at 1080p 60+, sometimes have to drop settings down to medium or low with really demanding or unoptimized games. I also feel like those 8 gigs of vram did wonders for the longevity of this card
I purchased an RX580 midway through the pandemic to boost an aging AM3 system and for £100 it's the best money I've ever spent... My game library is mainly titles from the mid 2010s but even newer titles work absolutely fine at 1080p/60 at medium settings. Honestly cannot see myself changing it until newer games I wish to play become impossible to run. Premium second hand is always better than budget new ;)
Where do I begin. Your primary reason for comparing these two cards was their initial cost: 120 to 150 pounds. Using just this one metric is a little deceptive. I noticed how you didn’t tell the audience how the RX 590 was SUCKING DOWN more than 3 times the electricity just to maintain its paltry lead. I believe the the RX 590 uses roughly 160 watts, while the RX 6400 uses a mere 53 watts provided by the PCIe slot. Looking 👀 at the frames per watt, the RX 6400 is the absolute clear winner here assuming, of course, you have an appropriate PCIe slot for it.
580's are available for less than $200 USD at a number of retailers these days. That may be the best option. I don't know that the 6400 is more future-proof than the 580 or not.
rx 580 can be had for 100 euro new and shipped worldwide on aliexpress, if you are okay with a chinese brand. The card has some shaders missing but otherwise works fine. Techyescity has a video on it on yt. BTW here in Europe ex mining cards also go for around 100 euro.
Have an RX 590 and I find it hard to update, since like you showed, updating to a mid range newer card isn't really an upgrade. One thing to note with the 590 is it gets hot. Had one 590 overheat and stopped working, fortunately RMA and got it replaced. I now turn the fans to 100% when playing. I also tried overclocking, but doesn't seem to want to work. Overall, great card that is still useful to this day.
That ain't just any ol RX 590. Thats a Red Devil with a Polaris chip in it. That thing is a workhorse. In my opinion...RX 580's and GTX 1080's were legendary cards. Those teams came to work and nailed it. They did their freaking best. And to me a RX 590 is just a beefy RX 580. Will it replace a modern card? No....but if its what you have to work with....Its gonna do the job. I got 3 RX 580 Red Devils that still work today flawlessly. Pats on the back to the Polaris team. They did good. Side note...I think that Red Devil looks better than a 6400 as well. The design is metal and I don't know....I like a lot of metal on my cards. Probably part of the reason the 3 Red Devils I have now still look brand new. Awesome video. I love that you keep older hardware in the conversation. RX cards ain't done working yet. They may be close to retirement age but they don't need assisted living yet
you should start showing the watt-usage so people can see that too. Since you always been showing it for the cpus. Because this makes the 590 look really good, which it is, but at what cost.
great information thanks a ton. still have this sapphire 590 oc-x in mint condition that I'm sitting on for a while. Gonna sell that for good money or keep for a mcr build
Ive got an RX580 and RX570 as two of my backup cards (also got a 780ti and 750ti), and they both do just fine. The 580 is currently in my 3rd system being used daily by a friend borrowing it. We forget how well hardware can keep up
A local seller was listing the RX 580 8 GB for US$100 and it seemed like a lucrative deal. Good thing I waited as a few weeks later they listed an RX 5700xt refurbished for US$150. I feel like I got a good deal. Built and i3 Alderlake setup around it and I can play most games I throw at it at 1080p with settings cranked up to maximum.
I remember when Polaris is marketed as "Red Rebellion" for "working class" gamers so they can enjoy high fidelity gaming at low price. It was so cool, and surprisingly still true to this day.
I'll go with 6400 for few reasons 1. No adapter required. 2. A chinabrand cheap 7-10 dollar power supply is usable since it doesn't required additional power adapter. 3. Doesn't require too much space. 4. Low electricity bill also lower power consumption.
Great comparison - thanks! I use Linux, I currently have an RX 5500XT. I think I'm going to get a cheap Nvidia card now though as it's way too difficult getting hardware encoding working on AMD GPUs on Linux (it's very easy with Nvidia cards).
My RX 580 8GB runs circles around the 6400 despite the latter being a newere generation. The 6400 only has a 64-bit memory bus and PCIE 4.0 X4 while the 580 has a 256-bit Memory bus and is full PCIE 3.0 X16. One more thing that kills the 6400 is the lack of a encoder. The RX 580 has an Encoder.
in fact, huge winner if on a tight budget at a quite low cost of performance drop, but if you are able to get upfront some money from future electricity bills, RX6500XT should give you equal or better performance AND way better power efficiency than RX590
Believe me, Polaris is very performance sensitive depending on which system you put it into. To give advice to anyone considering a Polaris GPU, you want to put it into a PCIe Version 3 system at x16 speed and it should also be minimum 4th Gen Intel i series or 3rd Gen Ryzen. I have tested this in-depth and I can give anyone considering it good advice, Polaris has a lot of computing power, but also a lot of non-DirectX12 neglected driver optimization, which you want IPC and PCI Bandwidth to blast through. I tested four different setups with my RX 480 and it hated PCIe 2.0 x8 speed in a multi GPU system; in addition, Polaris, Vega and older Radeon GPUs are still missing the DirectX9 Unreal Engine 3 optimizations on Windows 10 which was present up until 17.7.1. Therefore, having a Polaris GPU in a FX 8350 system, or something like an i7 2600K will mostly give you a good experience in most e-Sport games, but a horrible experience in an old game like Unreal Tournament 3.
@@FalenGood actually my refurbished GTX 1060 had no issue with the PCIe 2.0 x8 speed, and like I said, this was only 1/4 systems I tested it in and the x8 speed was only one of my test scenarios out of many, many test scenarios which did not include the limit of x8 speed. Other use cases that will affect Radeon users in the same manner, is having a Ryzen APU. Most AM4 motherboards (if not all) limit PCIe speed to x8 on the primary PCIe slot, just by having something like a Ryzen 5 5600G in your system or any other am4 APU. There is no information on wether disabling the iGPU in the BIOS will restore the full x16 speed back to the primary slot, which is why I ended up buying a Ryzen 5 5600 instead of the 5600G. When referring to Polaris, PCIe speed is not even the major problem, but one of many I definitely had to mention. I love my RX 480, but I am just warning people, make sure you do PCIe x16 V3 and at least 3rd Gen Ryzen or 4th Gen Intel i series.
A good alternativ would be a new rx580 from China(it´s has less shaders than a normal 580 and it is more like an overclocked rx570). It is less than 80 Euros with VAT and delivery on Aliexpress. You do not need PCIe 4.0 with the rx580 and it´s still faster than the rx6400 and a lot cheaper. The only disadvantage is the power consumption.
Strange to me that the 6400 was using more vram in a lot of the games tested. I suppose it's down to different architecture and what not but it just stood out to me.
I'm still enjoying my RX580 8 GB after almost 4 years and it can play modern games at 60+ fps 1080p without sacrificing too much visual quality, the only thing I'm not liking about it is some driver error that generates conflict between Adrenaline software and Windows updates and it makes updating drivers a real pain, Apex Legends is also unplayable due to constant crashing
I have a 580 and honestly I wouldn't have upgraded for quite a while I imagine but I wanted raytracing for a few things. If it hadn't been for that I would have stuck with it.
RX 570/580/590 are still surprisingly capable, if don't play games at 4K (1440p may be doable, with tweaks and rather 30 FPS. At least for 4GB cards). Nice video, but maybe useful to mention power usage for both cards and PSU requirements...
Earlier this year I upgraded and built a new pc, but I kept my old rx570 until i found a rx6700xt on sale for $200 off and jumped on it. The initial upgrade did little to improve my gaming experience, but the new 6700xt took it beyond my expectations as I can play every game on the max settings. Sure I may be lagging behind someone who payed 5-7x as much as I did for this. Yet as I do not play online fps games, my build does what I wanted it to do. Nor am I in a frames per second competition with anyone.. But this build also as i found out a few weeks ago can play some of the older games, that went crazy when I switched to an AMD cpu as I now have an intel cpu again.
I've been using a RX580 Sapphire Nitro + for a few years in my workstation and it's absolutely excellent. I found that undervolting and not pushing for the highest possible clock gives the smoothest gameplay, even over the auto overclock option
Building a pc later in december, decided to buy my brothers old sapphire pulse rx 590 instead of an rx 6400 or even a brand new rx 580 8gb, i got it for about $100 US. This video made me feel much better about my purchase. Paired with a non pcie gen 4 ryzen 5 5500 made me feel even better. Thanks for the recommendation, i feel like I’m getting a much better deal than i would have been without this channel and video.
Same, got an ocd 3600 that i had paired with a 1050 but upgraded to a 580 8gb now for 100€
I think you are better off buying used GTX1070, it is MUCH faster than any of these but they are dirt cheap nowadays from what I heard
@@mihan2d i knew if i was going to buy a used card i would buy that one because i know that it has been taken care of. Whereas buying another card I wouldn’t have that luxury. I had looked at 1070’s and was planning on one of those until my brother told me about his
@@mihan2d no not really while the gtx 1060 and rx580 are 100€ here in germany the gtx 1070 and 2060 are over 200€
@@BiboyEats you did good. You got a good deal and your brother got rid of his used card that you know the history of. Perfect. Nice to see you and your brother helping each other. Now, both of you, tidy your room! :-)
Polaris aged pretty well overall. It is already outperforming the GTX 10 series (1060 and sometimes 1070) in a lot of games.
In my eyes the 570 is subpar to the 1060 6 gig, never mind the 1070. They are even worse than the 970. The 580 8gig will trade blows with the 1060 6 gig on a good day but it cannot touch the 1070, perhaps except some super radeon friendly games. Just saying.
@@maciejszajnicki4479 dude, RX 580 4gb when brand new had the msrp of GTX 1060 3gb. Rx 570 was between GTX 1050 Ti and GTX 1060 3gb in price. RX 590 was just a little more expensive than GTX 1060 6gb, but still less expensive than GTX 1070
@@maciejszajnicki4479 Lol enjoy the vram stutters and muddy textures
@Scarlet Dani No fanboyism here whatsoever, I build around 20 price/performance systems per year, I know these cards, I am speaking from experience. Polaris was an excellent product but you should know how it compares nonetheless. I love the card for what it is, price wise especially. The 570/80/90 was 470/80 on steroids, they run hot but they have their place on the market.
@@maciejszajnicki4479 Polish brain on max power, lmao. You build budget systems and you compared a 570 to the 1060 & 1070? actual peabrain.
AMD gpu prices were unbelievably good at the moment, feels like pre covid or before scalpers doomsday.
I got the MSI RX6650 XT for £299 GBP around a month ago and for 1080p gaming it's been brilliant can't fault it!!
Got a launch day 3080 for £660
were?
I would say 3070 to 3080 class Nvidia cards have better value due to DLSS and way better ray tracing perf, especially if longevity is something you care about. But 6800/XT is still a great option on second hand market if you can pick it up under 400 USD.
That's because they are several years old and under fire sale conditions.
I still use my RX 580 8GB, best card for 180€ back then. Runs at 1300MHz with 1040mv and 2250MHz vram clock, I gained a few frames and it consumes 130-140 watts. Thanks for the video.
1300? mine runs at 1411MHz stock. Sadly I tried OCing it and while it will hold 2250 mem or up to 1491 core it crashes eventually during the day, presumably because one of the gpu fans is dead so I removed it. but yeah it's awesome man and has been killing it for me for 1080p gaming up until now, maxing out at 180W :) gonna upgrade to the 6900XT this year though I'm excited
@@ayyorta mine XFX GTS is going at 1405@1080mv and 2100hz ggdr5...
1300mhz is pretty low, imo too low, even considering uv
I have RX580 Nitro+ and it runs stock 1411MHz (no memory overclock though), undervolted to 1070mV, 30% fan speed 63°C, max 130W
@@1337Ox Nitro+ here too, I should've aforementioned that. I did think that 1300 looked a bit low glad to see everyone is around or exactly my speeds
You should be able to run it around 1340 min with just the auto overclocking feature in the control panel, I run mine at 1380 in afterburner with +40 power, OCng the ram can actually hurt you're fps, I wouldn't recommend running it over 2200 in case of throttling, an old benchmark title that really shows off well the drop in frames when a too high OC is applied is metro last light
Living in Pakistan, a country where you rarely get access to current gen tech without obscene prices, The 2nd hand market is our primary means of building a gaming PC. So it's bittersweet to see that while Nvidia and AMD both are releasing worse budget cards, the old ones (which are cheaper) still hold up extremely well.
Also just wanna say that this is the first channel i started following when it was really small cause it focused on Budget Gaming. Makes me happy that even though the channel has grown to a very large scale, you still focus on budget options more than premium ones.
It's called low budget not budget.Yes nowadays low end used hardware especially rx 570 ,rx 580 ,GTX 1650 super and GTX 1660 super struggles in modern games although these graphics cards are still equal or better to rx 6400 ,6500xt and rtx 3050 by the way I am from Pakistan as well.This guy also reviews high-end something which I don't get bored while even if I don't own .
I'd love to see a Polaris video to see how in my opinion a very good AMD lineup is doing today
The main reason I sprung for a 6400 was that they come in low profile single slot, which fits into compact Optiplex cases.
same here 0ptiplex 3020 16 gigs of ram core i7 and the 6400 is perfect for me !
very useful video rg in hd i was looking for a cheap card for my cousin to play games on a budget.i personally have the 1660 super it outperformes the rx590 but prices are still too high here in greece.anyway love your videos i am a fan of your work for many years and many greetings from greece!!!
I have a the rx 590 in my current system. I stream and play most games at medium/high settings with a 60+ fps experience at 1080p. This card has very much exceeded my expectations and longevity as newer more demanding games came out.
It would have been nice to see the power consumption of both
I know the 6400 is 53w max (AMDs figure) but you're right, I'd love to see some actual in use figures. My Lenovo m910T is severely limited by a 210w psu so the 590 is right out.
RX590 goes up to 200w
Yeah power usage really kills the deal factor for older cards, especially if you add in the fact that they have short expected lifespans due to ETH mining, and no warranty.
If you've got a decent Visa/Mastercard, that 1 year warranty on the new graphics card becomes a 2 year warranty for free.
@@Bruno_Laion The actual power draw without excessive OCing isnt always that high, I have a mildly OC'ed 5600XT and auto OC'ed Ryzen 5600, and even running GPU and CPU stress tests, my entire System only reaches 300 watts.
That's everything, 2 NVME drives, 2 SSDs and 3 HDDS, plus peripherals, audio amp, and 32" 1440p monitor.
However, I would like to have seen the actual GPU power draw as well, in these days of high electricity prices in the UK; even an extra 50 watt power draw adds up over a month; especially if like me, gaming is a 4-6 hour per day experience - I am too ill to do much else, and even that total is often split into 1-2 hour stints before I have to go lie down.
@@dingchavez1960 My rx 580 was mined for 3 years. Ive been using it the last year in my main rig with no problems. Miners generally undervolt their cards and take better care of them than normal consumers.
Next time please enable the power consumption option in RTSS. It would have been nice to see the difference between the two.
590 uses like 200w more
RX6400 > 56 watts peak
RX590 > 262 WATTS peak
The 590 is just a overclocked 580 that has a TDP of around 150 watts. Overclocked it will burn 180 watts and isn't efficient. The 6400 burns around 100 watts. The 6400 reminds me of the 1050. It just sucks.
@@benjy117 the 1050 is a great card for 1080p mid settings @$120 and isn't a space heater using 75w
@@benjy117 what are u on about? 6400 doesnt consume 100 watts. its mere purpose is to be a giga efficient gpu for office usage. it was never meant to be a gaming gpu
I'm still on my RX580 which is serving me well for upto 2-3 year old games.
Yeah my 1060 still does pretty well running most games
@@socio637 honestly speaking, most newer games run 60 fps on high (a step lower than ultra) settings and I don't notice a difference.
@@gS-kt2ff Most of the games I play are around overwatch 2 level in terms of requirements, so I run them fine at 1080p high 100+ fps. I don't really play any single player AAA titles like tomb raider or GOW, but I'm sure those run fine too
@@socio637 Damn, I can play Control, by lowering a few things like shadows 🤯
@@gS-kt2ff I actually have a 1080 now - my 1060 is in a second build. It amazes me how these younger people are completely against buying anything pre 20 series when the higher end 10 series cards are still so powerful
the price drops on used reminds me so much of 2018 and I am here for it! I was able to snag a gtx 1660 ti for 85 bucks usd the other day locally
Would have been interesting to see GPU power draw, I’m sure there would be a big difference
The 6400 draws like 25w at full load
@@salmon320 wtf is that true? what bout 590
@@MetaDude it's more like 50W vs 150W
@@MetaDude like 150w
@@MetaDude Oh sorry, its like 42w
but it's still very impresive
(6400/6500XT pricing etc issues aside) What surprises me is the fact you can get an Rx6400 that’s soooo tiny (half height single slot design), has ~75%+ of the Rx590s performance yet uses less than half its power and runs cooler 👍🥰.
I miss the old days. In 2016-2017 you could get a very good mainstream GPU for around $200-250
Isn't that the case right now with the rx 6600?
In November 2019 you could buy a new RX580 8GB for £123. That was £250 by Christmas and £450 by March 2020.
@@purplegill10 True, but that's pretty much your only option right now. Anything less nets you progressively flawed GPUs and anything more, at least for Team Green and Team Blue, nets you diminishing returns and spotty performance respectively. At least in 2017 you had more than one choice new.
@@purplegill10 The RX 6600 is in a bit of a tricky situation; the PCIe 4.0 x8 shouldn't be a problem, but as I bought it for a system with a Ryzen 5700G, I'm limited to PCIe 3.0 x8. It's a shame AMD limited their APUs to PCIe 3.0 and limited their lower-end GPUs to less than x16, the combination means I would have been better off getting an Intel CPU. It's not as bad as the RX 6500, which is x4, but still - I'm not getting the FPS I would have gotten from the card with either a Ryzen 5600X or a Core i5 12400. And the 5600X wasn't an option at the time, due to the lack of iGPU.
The Ryzen 7000 series is much better in that regards, unfortunately their iGPUs are weaker than either Intel or AMD's own older APUs. I hope the 7000G series will do well and prove to AMD high-powered iGPUs on high-powered CPUs supporting medium-powered GPUs is the way forward, for budget-conscious customers.
@@c99kfm Wait really? I've yet to hear anything about x8 limiting the 6600 including friends of mine who have it with their pcie 3.0 systems. This is coming from a guy who's using a 6500XT on a pcie _2.0_ due to a broken motherboard.
Good video. You you please add the power consumption of the GPU to the stats? It is quite interesting.
Well, somebody had to make this video. Thank you mate.
Picked up a Sapphire Nitro+ 590 back in 2019 for just under $200 USD. Still is the heart of my system, though I am eyeing an RX 6600 for an upgrade. Might wait and see what the 7000 series has on offer first. Still happy enough with my 590!
It isn't a good of an upgrade, save for an 6650 XT as they are generally similar in price.
@@flintfrommother3gaming Okay! Thanks for the advice.
Personally I'd wait for 7000 series and then decide what is the better value since the 590 still runs most games reasonably well.
Same situation.
Sapphire RX590 Nitro+ AMD 50th Anniversary Gold edition
Bought for 1721 DKK on sale in 2019.
Used 5700 XT's are a great deal and mine has been great, but the 6600 is a dang good deal for a new card.
These are the types of videos I subscribed for years ago.
I bought a 5600 xt and let me tell you, I'm pretty satisfied with it. It cost me 170 in August, it surely keeps dropping in price. It might be a good option for content in your channel. I love the niche that you cover and the manner in which you do your presentation. Cheers
Interesting, my brother just got a 5600xt at 160 too! An upgrade over a 970, itself an upgrade over a 290.
Nearly got a 5700 at 170 as well.
@@EvocativeKitsune it is a phantom D3, it runs silent and cool my only complaint is that i cant turn its led lighting but at least it's pretty tame. I had a 650 so it was a huge improvement. I have a 10100f that pairs really well with it. Great card, it seems like it will be relevant for some time.
I got a 5600 xt as well and it's the best GPU I ever had. It runs cool, silent and plays almost anything you throw at it, even nowadays, while consuming max 150w (most of the time much less, if you tune it even under 100 max).
it's perfect (in the higher middle range) card that is worth much more than the buck you spend on it.
Polaris is awesome. I bought a 580 8gb a long time ago, and it's still putting out hundreds of fps in competitive games, and maintains 60-120 in new games easily. Idk when I'll upgrade it, but it'll be a long time. The funny thing is, upgrading a CPU was cheaper a year ago, and brought way better results. This R9 5900X and RX580 system is amazing. We managed to virtualize 2 pcs on this thing and play games at the same time. That's crazy from a 580.
My experience exactly. The only reason I sold my 580 8GB, after owning it for 4 years, and bought a 5700 XT was that I switched to a larger, 1440p monitor. Even like that, it was far from unviable (it probably does about as well at 1440p as the 6400 from the video does at 1080p), but still, it's been 4 years and I wanted to maintain the level of performance so the temptation to get a 5700XT was too great (and, at 1440p, the 5700XT actually outperforms 580 running at 1080p). Having said that, the new monitor actually does some kind of upscaling when running games at a lower resolution and it's not magic, but it does the job surprisingly well!
Sapphire Nitro+ RX 590 legend!
Oh wow, can you please explain or send me a link with tutorial on how to setup 2 virtual machine PC's on single PC?
I remember when the rumor mill thought the RX 590 was gonna be a dual polaris gpu and then it ended up as another refresh lol
Yeah dual gpu would have been so cool, even if it would have been pointless lol
It's incredible how you've described my exact situation: I got an RX6400 (the single fan MSI version) to give some life to my HP oem with a Ryzen 5 3400g, since the 250w PSU can't handle cards that demand pci-e connectors. And I have another system with an RX580 8gb on an even older build, an OC'ed i7 3770k. Your results mirror mine, and I feel somewhat validated in my choices, since there was no other viable upgrade path for my ryzen OEM, and even long on the tooth, my i7 performs decently with the RX580!
They really should make the RX6400 in low profile and perhaps add some more lanes. It would sell like hot cakes for turning SFF Dells into TV boxes and Steam consoles. Nvidia has that market but Linux is not so good with Nvidia. You think you have it all working then you get an update that knocks out your GPU drivers.
@@wayland7150 they did make a low profile models though, but yeah being limited to pcie 4.0 sucks
@@arcueid3352 I've been looking for low profile RX6400 but never seen them. It's not limited to PCIe 4. It's limited because it does not have enough lanes for PCIe 3 performance.
They do have sff rx 6400s. I just bought one right off Amazon! Use it
@@ryanvicksell7266 I see them on Amazon now.
I have an RX 590 in my PC at the office. It holds a decent OC and does just fine for some cheeky gaming at work.
nice😂
Very nice to see you comparing those 2 cards, there's just one thing I am worried about, and that's power consumption.
Assuming you use a GPU for 2 years, how big would the "true cost" be? I think this should be considered as well
The cheapest RX6400 in Denmark is now around 1050 DKK, which equates to about £120-125 Which could actually earn itself in powerbills in little over a year.
Max 75W vs 250W / Real 60W vs 180W - difference being 120-175W an hour.
Even with lowest difference of 120 watts an hour, at 4.50 DKK pr kW an hour, for 6 hours gaming a day, 20 days a month, for 12 months equates to some 750 DKK a year, saved in powerbill.
(I have an RX 590, Sapphire Gold edition, which rarely goes above 200W on older games.)
This is the main reason I am glad I got a 6400. I have a low profile variant and it is slightly less powerful in terms of performance, but it maxes out at 32W as measured by MSI Kombustor. I have a more powerful graphics card, but I'm currently in college with a pretty weak cooling system, so the performance per watt is amazing for me.
The 590 is pretty much better in nearly all situations I suppose. Unless you're doing a low powered, maybe budget, mini gaming pc where the 6400 makes more sense to exist
However the 6400 is let down by lack of PCIe lanes for budget builds like upgrading an old SFF office PC.
@@wayland7150 Therefore, a 1650 would be better in DDR6 form.
I bought a RX 6400 because of its very small size and relatively very good performance compared to the GT 1030 it replaced. I couldn't go with other options because it was either too expansive or too big for my use case.
@@Quesbe Yes but Nvidia do those lower end cards in Low Profile form and AMD could and should but don't.
@@wayland7150 Well, that's the thing: my low profile Sapphire Radeon RX 6400 is thinner than any low profile GTX 1650 I could found - for the same performance-ish _and_ with raytracing support (something I need for work). It cost me €200 (£170) back when GPUs where still quite expansive.
Nice to see these comparisons to put relative card performances in context
With the 590 you also get a free space heater as well - very useful in these troubling times
Compared to some newer cards, it's positively frugal. Also, if you slightly limit the boost clock and knock down voltage, you can probably get the consumption waay down and not necessarily even feel it on the performance.
Maybe even a jet engine if you play your cards right
You're kinda underated man. I always enjoy your videos more than i expected. I think you should change your channel name to your name or something easy to remember because right now it gives the impression that it's one of those channels that just post those FPS comparison vidoes and nothing else. Just a suggestion though. Thanks for the conent 👍
Let’s see a comparison with RSR enabled on the 6400. I have the LP version on my wife’s pc and was impressed with how well the scaling worked on her games.
I've been seeing Vega 56 cards going for that same price on eBay. I bet that would really be the best bang for your buck if power use is no concern.
Yes, those VEGA are getting a bit old now but they have twice the performance than RX 580 at least.
Vega 56 is power efficient if you undervolt it ( which it does a lot)
@@SweatyFeetGirl Compared to an R9 290X they seem power efficient anyway.
I feel like a 6400XT and a 6500XT that maybe removes the bus limitation, adds even 2GB of VRAM and brings back hardware encoding would make is waaay more appealing. Obviously not gonna happen with RX 7000 right around the corner, but here's hoping that this new gen's budget options will be significantly more reasonable.
AMD would be crazy not to attack the low end hard right now. Nvidia won't have 4060 & lower cards out for awhile.
honestly scrap all of that. The extra 2 GB would have been enough...
@@Chrissy717 Sapphire actually makes an 8 gig 6500 XT.
@@riven4121 Sick, that solves like half the issues.
They're designed to be anti mining gpus, if Amd release 6gb/8gb version won't that defeat the purpose?
Good to see! My old RX 580 is still beating the RX 6400 and is now in the third system, still making someone smile :)
PS: Elden Ring is a terrible test game. It's just so inconsistent and graphic settings don't impact anything all that much
My 590 served me well during the GPU shortage and it's still very good for 1080p gaming, I got a 6700xt in July after prices dropped and couldn't be happier
Man these videos really have little effect on me, but I still enjoy the heck out of them!
If possible, a multi-GPU video could be very interesting to see.
RX6400, Arc 380, GTX 1650 (vanilla), RX 470
I would've guessed the opposite, cool video. I was glad to see Fallout 4 benchmarked as well.
Would be nice to see it against a RX 6500 too :) I paid 150 pound when it was new, so it´s not much more expensive.
Nice video, its funny how pricing seems to different around the world now in this buyers market, seeing different tech youtubers qoute different prices in quite a wide range. 5700XT ex mining are 200 euro here and would blow these out of the water, power consumption should definitly be in the equation of this review though!
I'm curious why you didn't have power usage in afterburner since you mentioned power in the intro.
Excellent comparison video. You can also buy an rx 5600 xt for about £140 so that is a good option for a more modern card and 1080p gaming. It even does well with 1440p and lower settings.
I'm this close to buying a RX6600 at 230 from Microcenter but I'm afraid to buy it before RX7000 is released. My bet is prices drop a bit further, not much, but enough. My used 100$ RX580 is still serving me just fine.
Yeah, maybe wait and see how 7000 cards effect prices of the 6000 lineup
I have two friends that are still running the RX 480 GTR Black Editions that they flashed with the 590 BIOS. Almost 7 years on the same cards both from XFX and still cranking. Amazing honestly.
I still think it's cool that a low low end card is trading blows with a previous top tier card, and vice versa
Except it's not really the case here
@@DBZash_FR It is? the 6400 is only slightly worse
Given the power draw (which randomgaminginHD never mentions 😐), the 6400 is the winner, although I still think the 590 is a better option if that's all that a budget gamer is left with. Otherwise I would consider a 1660 or a 1070, which actually go for relatively good prices.
3:00 W. Thanks for testing fallout 4. You legend.
the rx 6500 was on sale for $99 USD for cyber monday its a shame it wouldnt stay that price.
Soon
*_5 years service on mine Sapphire RX 590 SE and still superb performance on 1570 MHz Undervolt pared with Overclocked 2600X to 4.17GHz. Annihilating every game at 1080p._* 🤗
For the same price an RX 5500/5600XT used would leave both GPUs in the dust, and it's a newer and more efficient architecture with further drivers support.
From my point of view, the RX 6400 only makes sense in its low profile one slot variant. It is the most powerful model in that format. But if your PC is compatible with something bigger, the GTX 1660 is a much better option (I have seen them around £180 in the second hand market a few times) Also, some RX 6600 cost around £230 at some retailers, so I wouldn't be surprised if one day I find a second hand one below £200.
Super interesting to see the different system memory usage on the cards (smaller vram buffer = way more system memory used) any thoughts on doing a video diving into it?
I would say for better price to performance, the RX 6600 is a great choice, in the US on amazon if you want to order, it is at $239. I got my XFX 6600 for 319 from best buy during the GPU crisis and it still holds its own amazingly, have not found a game it couldn't handle. Edit: I did not want to start a war over graphics cards haha, just recommending a card I bought that has been serving me pretty well so far. Just chill, I was one step away from turning off notifications for this.
@MonaLisa you absolutely do, on most games the performance improvement is above 50% and it can double the performance in a lot of newer titles. appart from having all the new stuff like RSR, SAM, etc
The RX 6600 is so good that the price went up a little. It's a toss up between that and a used VEGA 56.
Not to mention it should be a little higher than the 1060 in power usage.....
@MonaLisa rx 6600 is much better option, it's already cheap and also you will get free games, don't forget it can have support for ray tracing, SAM (10-20% FPS BOOST)
@MonaLisa no i mean to say you can do ray tracing if want to try, which is possible, but not with rx 590, and what u said about amd's best competiting against rtx 20 series ? That is wrong, rx 6950x comes close to rtx 3090 ti, and if compared its price is way cheaper than it.
Great video - can see how dire this stuff can be! Would be fun to see the 6400 ‘shine’ against an rx470 ......
Yeah right, RX470 is not far off an RX580.
You'd think they would have just updated and rebranded the RX 590 seeing as it's still such a capable card.
Yeah it’s a beast
I agree. Imagine an RX 590 revised with 7nm or something.
For a die shrink of the 580, which is already a rebrand of the 480, rebranding the 590 doesn't sound ideal to me. It would be as low as Nvidia rebranding the gf108 as a GT730.
@@roxymigurdia-t5p That's exactly what they did by making the Radeon VII. And power efficiency on it is still lame. The only thing that allowed it to catch up on the 2070 is HBM2. Without that, it would've been more like a 2060.
Could you add gpu power draw. When we are doing comparisons on gpus having the cpu power limit is un necessary. I love your videos for how you do them keep it up.
me and my friend both have rx590s, mine is sapphire nitro and his is xfx fatboy. Don't know if we got unlucky with the silicon but these cards can be pretty unsatble in certain games in my experience. I don't think I regret the purchase since they were so cheap back in the day and still hold up, tho an upgrade would be nice in the near future...
I have 2 590's. One in my system and one in my sons. I have the Powercolor version and his is the Gigabyte. Both are stable and never crash. But, the gigabyte's cooler is totally inadequate. When playing an intensive game, the fans cannot stop thermal throttling. I've tried dropping the voltage, which then makes it unstable. Playing with the fan curves, I've tried it without the case side on with a fan blowing in. I've even repasted the die with a quality thermal paste and nothing stops it eventually throttling down. The powercolor one though is completely fine, never have i seen it above 79 degrees...
@@leerobinson8709 Most Polaris cards undervolt insanely well even at out of box clock speeds so that’s a little weird. Have you tried dropping the clock speed a bit then undervolting again? I have a Rx 580 and I can’t go below 1150mv at 1400mhz
I worked in a pc-store before i went to university. We had a few of these XFX RX 590 fatboys for our gaming pcs and you are right, they are the worst cards I have ever seen. 4 out of 10 were unstable out of the box. The cooling system is just too underpowered for the performance tweaked polaris chip. The reason for the instability was the temperature, especially, if the case had a bad air flow. But when im remembering correctly you can switch the bios-switch to a bios with a stricter fan curve. I grabbed one of the fatboys, because the company couldnt sell them and after applying liquid metal all problems were solved and the card stayed at 74 C, even with the quiet bios and no undervolt (which i strongly recommend). But with the Sapphire RX 590 (the blue ones) we never run into these issues...
@@ghardware_3034 mine is the black one, I don't think it's a heat issue, the card rarely goes over 70°C at least according to the sensor. Dropping frequency down to 1500 helps a little but I couldn't find a stable undevolt. The XFX model is just outright bad, I agree
Somewhat unrelated, but I got a new phone a few days ago and your garden hasn't looked greener.
Thanks 😁
I bought a RX 6400 because of its very small size and relatively very good performance compared to the GT 1030 it replaced. I couldn't go with other options because it was either too expansive or too big for my use case.
Also I bought it very impulsively and I am trying to justify it :/
As of now, the only game i cannot really run at 1080p with my rx 590 "out of the ones i own" is forever winter, really graphically demanding and not optimized well as of now, apart from that i can run pretty much everything at 1080p 60+, sometimes have to drop settings down to medium or low with really demanding or unoptimized games.
I also feel like those 8 gigs of vram did wonders for the longevity of this card
I purchased an RX580 midway through the pandemic to boost an aging AM3 system and for £100 it's the best money I've ever spent...
My game library is mainly titles from the mid 2010s but even newer titles work absolutely fine at 1080p/60 at medium settings.
Honestly cannot see myself changing it until newer games I wish to play become impossible to run.
Premium second hand is always better than budget new ;)
Same with me. Been with my 590 for 3 years and as a 1080p gamer, I don't see any point in trading up until a great deal arises.
Where do I begin. Your primary reason for comparing these two cards was their initial cost: 120 to 150 pounds. Using just this one metric is a little deceptive. I noticed how you didn’t tell the audience how the RX 590 was SUCKING DOWN more than 3 times the electricity just to maintain its paltry lead. I believe the the RX 590 uses roughly 160 watts, while the RX 6400 uses a mere 53 watts provided by the PCIe slot. Looking 👀 at the frames per watt, the RX 6400 is the absolute clear winner here assuming, of course, you have an appropriate PCIe slot for it.
580's are available for less than $200 USD at a number of retailers these days. That may be the best option. I don't know that the 6400 is more future-proof than the 580 or not.
You can find RX 6600 for 200$ lol
@@ShizukTesar This. it is at $239 on amazon now, at least on my amazon page with my location. Way better performance for the little price differences.
rx 580 can be had for 100 euro new and shipped worldwide on aliexpress, if you are okay with a chinese brand. The card has some shaders missing but otherwise works fine. Techyescity has a video on it on yt. BTW here in Europe ex mining cards also go for around 100 euro.
Have an RX 590 and I find it hard to update, since like you showed, updating to a mid range newer card isn't really an upgrade.
One thing to note with the 590 is it gets hot. Had one 590 overheat and stopped working, fortunately RMA and got it replaced. I now turn the fans to 100% when playing. I also tried overclocking, but doesn't seem to want to work.
Overall, great card that is still useful to this day.
i had a 590 it was a beast. then updated to a 5700xt and that was a bigger beast. still is
Yeah great upgrade :)
That ain't just any ol RX 590. Thats a Red Devil with a Polaris chip in it. That thing is a workhorse. In my opinion...RX 580's and GTX 1080's were legendary cards. Those teams came to work and nailed it. They did their freaking best. And to me a RX 590 is just a beefy RX 580. Will it replace a modern card? No....but if its what you have to work with....Its gonna do the job. I got 3 RX 580 Red Devils that still work today flawlessly. Pats on the back to the Polaris team. They did good. Side note...I think that Red Devil looks better than a 6400 as well. The design is metal and I don't know....I like a lot of metal on my cards. Probably part of the reason the 3 Red Devils I have now still look brand new. Awesome video. I love that you keep older hardware in the conversation. RX cards ain't done working yet. They may be close to retirement age but they don't need assisted living yet
Do remember that the rx 6400 has ray tracing support and modern AMD advantage features if you pair it with an amd cpu.
It doesn't really do raytracing though... Technically it "supports" it, but the performance is abysmal... Unless 480p is acceptable I suppose 😬
@@MLWJ1993 480p is considered hi-res, what r u talking abt?
Thanks!
A friend managed to get an RX 580 8GB used for around the equivalent of 85 USD just before GPU famine.
He was so happy he did when the famine did hit.
you should start showing the watt-usage so people can see that too. Since you always been showing it for the cpus.
Because this makes the 590 look really good, which it is, but at what cost.
I love that you treat your GPU humanely by also letting them to roam free on grass for some time
great information thanks a ton. still have this sapphire 590 oc-x in mint condition that I'm sitting on for a while. Gonna sell that for good money or keep for a mcr build
Maybe you could have a buying guide where you have a card (s) at each price point?
50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300?
Ive got an RX580 and RX570 as two of my backup cards (also got a 780ti and 750ti), and they both do just fine. The 580 is currently in my 3rd system being used daily by a friend borrowing it.
We forget how well hardware can keep up
You know these benchmarks are useless as fuck when you don’t show the most important data, and that is GPU power consumption…
True
A local seller was listing the RX 580 8 GB for US$100 and it seemed like a lucrative deal. Good thing I waited as a few weeks later they listed an RX 5700xt refurbished for US$150. I feel like I got a good deal. Built and i3 Alderlake setup around it and I can play most games I throw at it at 1080p with settings cranked up to maximum.
I remember when Polaris is marketed as "Red Rebellion" for "working class" gamers so they can enjoy high fidelity gaming at low price. It was so cool, and surprisingly still true to this day.
i really enjoy your "Mortal people" content, things that are affordable and withing reach for people who dont want to give out kidneys.
the 590 still performs well for its age.
I'll go with 6400 for few reasons
1. No adapter required.
2. A chinabrand cheap 7-10 dollar power supply is usable since it doesn't required additional power adapter.
3. Doesn't require too much space.
4. Low electricity bill also lower power consumption.
Exactly this!
Great comparison - thanks! I use Linux, I currently have an RX 5500XT. I think I'm going to get a cheap Nvidia card now though as it's way too difficult getting hardware encoding working on AMD GPUs on Linux (it's very easy with Nvidia cards).
Still very happy with my R5 1600 + RX580 combo since 2018.
My RX 580 8GB runs circles around the 6400 despite the latter being a newere generation. The 6400 only has a 64-bit memory bus and PCIE 4.0 X4 while the 580 has a 256-bit Memory bus and is full PCIE 3.0 X16.
One more thing that kills the 6400 is the lack of a encoder. The RX 580 has an Encoder.
Considering the power draw, it is actually not bad.
The prices for electricity makes the rx 6400 a better buy
in fact, huge winner if on a tight budget at a quite low cost of performance drop, but if you are able to get upfront some money from future electricity bills, RX6500XT should give you equal or better performance AND way better power efficiency than RX590
Please more that type of compare
Believe me, Polaris is very performance sensitive depending on which system you put it into. To give advice to anyone considering a Polaris GPU, you want to put it into a PCIe Version 3 system at x16 speed and it should also be minimum 4th Gen Intel i series or 3rd Gen Ryzen.
I have tested this in-depth and I can give anyone considering it good advice, Polaris has a lot of computing power, but also a lot of non-DirectX12 neglected driver optimization, which you want IPC and PCI Bandwidth to blast through. I tested four different setups with my RX 480 and it hated PCIe 2.0 x8 speed in a multi GPU system; in addition, Polaris, Vega and older Radeon GPUs are still missing the DirectX9 Unreal Engine 3 optimizations on Windows 10 which was present up until 17.7.1.
Therefore, having a Polaris GPU in a FX 8350 system, or something like an i7 2600K will mostly give you a good experience in most e-Sport games, but a horrible experience in an old game like Unreal Tournament 3.
Any modern card will perform bad with pcie 2.0 x8
@@FalenGood actually my refurbished GTX 1060 had no issue with the PCIe 2.0 x8 speed, and like I said, this was only 1/4 systems I tested it in and the x8 speed was only one of my test scenarios out of many, many test scenarios which did not include the limit of x8 speed.
Other use cases that will affect Radeon users in the same manner, is having a Ryzen APU. Most AM4 motherboards (if not all) limit PCIe speed to x8 on the primary PCIe slot, just by having something like a Ryzen 5 5600G in your system or any other am4 APU.
There is no information on wether disabling the iGPU in the BIOS will restore the full x16 speed back to the primary slot, which is why I ended up buying a Ryzen 5 5600 instead of the 5600G.
When referring to Polaris, PCIe speed is not even the major problem, but one of many I definitely had to mention. I love my RX 480, but I am just warning people, make sure you do PCIe x16 V3 and at least 3rd Gen Ryzen or 4th Gen Intel i series.
@@FalenGood My rx6600 objects
please show the GPU power consumption next time since it's also a pretty important point many people consider when buying a graphic card
A good alternativ would be a new rx580 from China(it´s has less shaders than a normal 580 and it is more like an overclocked rx570). It is less than 80 Euros with VAT and delivery on Aliexpress. You do not need PCIe 4.0 with the rx580 and it´s still faster than the rx6400 and a lot cheaper. The only disadvantage is the power consumption.
@El Cactuar That is n
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@El Cactuar but at least it is very cheap and it is faster than a 570. But agree they should have called it rx575 8GB or rx570 oc 8GB.
Strange to me that the 6400 was using more vram in a lot of the games tested. I suppose it's down to different architecture and what not but it just stood out to me.
I'd suspect the limited bandwidth is the cause of it, where the lower bandwidth means that the card need to cache more in preparation.
I'm still enjoying my RX580 8 GB after almost 4 years and it can play modern games at 60+ fps 1080p without sacrificing too much visual quality, the only thing I'm not liking about it is some driver error that generates conflict between Adrenaline software and Windows updates and it makes updating drivers a real pain, Apex Legends is also unplayable due to constant crashing
Should've also included the power consumption. The 590 is gonna eat up a ton of power and might be something to consider when upgrading
I loved my RX 590! I remember it needed a fair amount of power, more than recommended for sure!
As i person who used both rx590 and rx6500xt , this result dont surprised me !
some video ideas, maybe revisit A380 every 3-6 months to see if its driver situation has improved. Maybe pit it against 6400 and 3050 too
Can you also include gpu power in comparisons like this? Would be appreciated
This is the one of the reasons why I haven’t upgraded my rx 580 8gb as polaris cards have really aged well and still has a good performance in 2022
I have a 580 and honestly I wouldn't have upgraded for quite a while I imagine but I wanted raytracing for a few things. If it hadn't been for that I would have stuck with it.
RX 570/580/590 are still surprisingly capable, if don't play games at 4K (1440p may be doable, with tweaks and rather 30 FPS. At least for 4GB cards). Nice video, but maybe useful to mention power usage for both cards and PSU requirements...
Better than I expected to be honest. If I was brand new to PC gaming I may even be happy if I had no other reference to compare it to.
Earlier this year I upgraded and built a new pc, but I kept my old rx570 until i found a rx6700xt on sale for $200 off and jumped on it. The initial upgrade did little to improve my gaming experience, but the new 6700xt took it beyond my expectations as I can play every game on the max settings. Sure I may be lagging behind someone who payed 5-7x as much as I did for this. Yet as I do not play online fps games, my build does what I wanted it to do. Nor am I in a frames per second competition with anyone.. But this build also as i found out a few weeks ago can play some of the older games, that went crazy when I switched to an AMD cpu as I now have an intel cpu again.
I've been using a RX580 Sapphire Nitro + for a few years in my workstation and it's absolutely excellent. I found that undervolting and not pushing for the highest possible clock gives the smoothest gameplay, even over the auto overclock option
Interesting video.