When my son was in high school, his teen girlfriend told him that her stepfather was watching her shower. My son told me. I've never cared what people thought of me and reported the incident to the girl's school counselor. I didn't call the police because the offender was a police officer. I received backlash from the family, but I did the right thing.
Hi @mintpatty, you did the right thing,a million per cent right decision👍👏. Even if it didn't happen it's got to be taken seriously,,cos if not a lot more may be going on ?Sadly,Some Police officers are not Angels as we've seen in Boston,and other places,(allegedly?)Don't you lose no sleep over it ok? All the best Warren 🙏
I think the whole family knew ,she begged her aunt not to take her home I believe she told her aunt she didn't want to be there because of Shephan was going to be there aunt didn't care
Yep. I don't give 3 sites about her mental health. Evidently she is ok enough to have her in her custody, so she can take the consequences. This is BS. She needs prison. She can nap 24/7 in there. Oooohhhhh........ She pisses me off so bad. She just of waste of air
Anna Sonoda, LCSW, just gave us the best definition of “GROOMING” that I’ve *ever* heard: “Grooming is a perverse form of courtship: (1) FLATTERY; (2) FAVORITISM; (3) FORBIDDEN FRUITS (characterized by the tell-tale sign of ISOLATION FROM CAREGIVERS); and (4) FEAR.” This is the simplest, most memorable, and most useful description I’ve ever seen. Best definition ever. Thank you, Ms. Sonoda. COE, you’re in my thoughts and prayers as you comb through the disturbing case documents for this and other difficult topics that you cover. I’m sure it’s a grisly task and it must feel thankless sometimes, but never forget how much we all appreciate you and the guests you host. We’re sharing your links, keeping you in our prayers here, and looking forward to being in a position to make a useful dono. Thank you.
CSA has been going on forever. It happened to both my sister and me, over sixty years ago. No one went to the police. I think people just don't realize how rampant SA is.
Happened to me 57 yrs ago. It just wasn't talked about or prosecuted back then. I know for a fact that my aunts were sexually abused in the 1940s. Pedophilia has been around forever unfortunately
@dolphinmom37 exactly. It isn't happening because of the prevalence of "pornography." For crying out loud, that's a dangerous and reductive opinion to put out into the world.
@@dolphinmom37Agreed. Until folks care about children and give these perverts a life sentence this will go on and on. No child is safe in the world when these individuals are allowed any freedom.
I totally agree 💯 with what she just said,everyone in the Soto family family failed MADDIE big time and her father's side and school system,no one did anything to protect her,she was neglected her welfare was not considered. Adult people need to know what's right and this mother which to me doesn't deserve that title should be arrested. There was DV in that home and SA going on and that woman did not value MADDIE.
6:47 I have to disagree right off the bat, I'm sorry. But this NEEDS to be talked about. This NEEDS to be told. Not only for Maddie, but for every other child out there going thru this or who may go thru this. And you want to talk about kids seeing this stuff, well they should! If the parents aren't going to talk to them, someone needs to and tell them this isn't okay. And that they need to know if they are in this situation to GET HELP OUT OF IT. Yes it's disturbing and yes it's scary and disgusting etc etc. But this is the deep dark that needs to be put to light to help STOP it from happening. STOP SWEEPING IT UNDER THE RUG. Let it out. Let everything be known. This needs to be discussed in volumes and in depth and people really need to realize this happens ALL THE TIME
So frustrating when they comment on cases they are uninformed in. This Susan character needs to take a few minutes to read about the case before she gets on the panel. Doesn't take much. Ruins the whole thing.
The idea that sex scenes in movies can be blamed for this kind of perversion - let alone "porn" - ignores that pedophilia is as old as humanity. I find this perspective ridiculous.
@lululiga333 I found her presence on this panel, billed as some kind of expert, to be potentially damaging to the audience. Some of the comments here bear this out. The answer is not to "bring back spiritual connection," ffs. Organized religion is a hotbed of pedophilia, from evangelical/Pentecostal to Baptist to Catholic.
I don't think its realistic to blame existence of kinky porn role play content as cause,however I think can be problematic, stern could use such material to normalize and groom maddie, can use existence of as evidence that behavior he encourages is not abhorrent, that is a natural sexual component. That's how its dangerous,it can be weaponized \ used to groom children, beyond what any consenting adults may do with material.
I’m so disgusted that the dark haired lady went on that tangent in the beginning. Not holding SS or even JS responsible for this terrible crime, but social media, porn, and the internet. Let’s recognize it was that sicko and the access he was allowed to this woman’s child. That, although I do believe poor Maddy was groomed, it was NEVER Maddy’s fault. Gross commentary on her part in my opinion.
Well said. Exactly it sounds like blame the victim to me too horrible. Lol and sounds like her husband had to agree not to watch any movie with a love/sex scene in it. In case they get addicted to porn? 🙄 I’ve heard it all now. What a ridiculous notion.
I think she is pointing out the impact social media, the dark web and porn has on society as a whole. She is correct in what she is saying. I’m a middle school teacher and it unbelievable how the majority of young boys are walking around with full internet access in their pocket. The younger they are, the more damaging it is to the child bc they don’t know how to process the images they are seeing, yet are immediately addicted to seeing those images. She wasn’t blaming Maddie. We don’t even know any of Maddie’s social media habits. But all this horror (which is a global epidemic)is related to the access people have to the internet.
@@catherinemallette7490 between that and the "we fast forward through 'sex' scenes," "it's even in ANIME," and "Gov DeSantis will make sure he's on death row" ... um. WHAT? DeSantis won't be governor when Stearns is sentenced. Governors do NOT sentence criminals. Elon Musk AND DeSantis are extremists. Like, tell us your politics border on hysterical, lady.
@@NikkiKimsthe second you do that, you shut down half the listeners from taking your ideas, opinions, or expertise on the topic seriously. Sensational and dangerous to suggest these horrific issues are easily “fixed” by one billionaire and one governor. An unrealistic solution to a world-wide crisis.
This story definitely needs to be told! You never know who may stumble on your channel, and may help them in some way. People can also change the channel if they don’t want to hear about this case.
If anyone even remotely suspects that their child has been molested,please have your child checked out.There is no excuse for this to continue to happen to any child!
@@thecozyconstellationright he (SS) wasn’t even contributing as daddy was stopping the $600/payment for bedroom #4 & where Jenn sent her 13 year old daughter to “sleep” with her ex-BF with one pillow 😳👀💀
I have really liked Constantine’s input up to this point. But if she truly believes Elon Musk can “fix” anything in this world (and I think she was sincere in saying that), she’s a bit detached from reality. The man has how many children w/how many women? He’s been charged w/keeping the singer “Grimes”, the mother of at least one of his children, from having access to her child(ren). His child who is transgender claims to have been emotionally bullied and abused by Musk and changed her last name from “Musk” because she wants nothing to do with him! Oh, and Elon has stated that this child is “dead” to him. Constantine is obviously a fan of DeSantis as well, an autocratic Governor who has done insurmountable harm to our state. She’d do well to keep her political leanings to herself when on STS.
I think Jenn knew about the SA, but the roommates did not. I think Maddie woke up from the extra meds that Stephan gave her (text messages confirm he gave her extra) during the SA. I think Stephan broke her hyoid bone to quiet her. I think Stephan convinced Jenn to help sell a story to cover Stephan. Jenn needs to face a jury of her peers as a wake up call to all of the mothers out there who choose willful ignorance over their children’s well-being.
Social media in some areas, AND THERE ARE MANY, is the devils playground. If you don't see that, either you don't watch social media or two, your eyes and ears are covered.
No more Susan, please. Dr. G recommended this channel to me and I presumed it would be a safe academic and analytical space. Susan starts off with borderline Satanic-Panic fearmongering about adult material rotting the brain’s gray matter. *Pardon me?* Then drops a Chris Hansen revelation, when he’s one of the most problematic figures of 2000s true crime genre? I cannot finish this. The LCSW seems like a wonderful woman making great change and knowledge sharing. I look forward to your next video but will be unable to watch any Maddie analysis if Susan remains. Bless you, Maddie. We’re here for you.
My niece has always loved history like me. I told her about one book I was reading about a famous royal family. She told me in front of her mom that she would like to read it. I told her mom that I didn't think that was a good idea at that point in time, that it was not appropriate because it included "animalism" ( sex with animals). Her mother told me that kids these days know all about all that kind of stuff these days.... I am thinking my niece was about 11, 12, or 13. I was shocked. I told her mother that I( yes, me) was NOT going to be the one to provide her
Susan legit triggered me with her intro lol. She’s shaming many, many child survivors and she doesn’t even seem to realize it. The social worker is awesome. You can tell she’s worked with many different people, and has read many articles for decades.
@youareawesomethankyouforge8803 so glad it wasn't just me. I saw this exact kind of fake expertise in the stranger abduction hysteria of the 80s and its both dangerous and ridiculous. I cannot believe that someone who is a voice stress "analyst" is being passed off as an "expert" in human behavior.
@@Ms.PrairieI don’t understand how Susan shamed sexual abuse victims and how she triggered anyone with her intro? Also, there is nothing wrong with promoting a book. Joel does it all the time! That’s what you do when you write a book.
He didn't have to do much to earn the mother's trust. It's blatantly obvious she didn't care a thing about her daughter. She showed absolutely no concern for Maddie, but showed immediate concern about getting her "pills" out of the house.
Props to STS for this podcast! I've seen so much outrage about this case, which is appropriate, but very few discussions seem to go beyond the outrage. Situations like Maddie Soto's happen regularly, and it's great to see you shift the conversation to why they occur and how we can protect children from exploitation.
Poor Maddie was failed by so many! So many people could have stepped in along the way and nobody did. This case is so heartbreaking. If only one person had spoke up poor Maddie may still have been with us! Even raised a red flag or their suspicions!
So sickening because it just shows how uninformed she is with Musk’s recent behaviour. She’s detached from lifelong learning and critical media analysis - something integral to criminology and trauma academia.
He got rid of sexual images and porn on twitter (X) and kicks anyone off who has uploaded it to the platform . That’s probably why she mentioned him. You who responded to it with great offense actually brought in your political views leaving me to assume you are democrats. I don’t know what political party she is a part of.
And also the roommates not saying anything at all like the roommates how did they not notice this or hear that little girl crying or anything happened? Like why were they so oblivious?
That lady is right about desensitising around sex on tv and in media in general...cant even watch a cartoon without it...its too much...I love watching, korean movies for this very reason...you dont need sex and inappropriate behaviour to enjoy a great storyline...they've sold to us, "sex sells" for a really long time and its getting worse!!!...stephen sterns is a dis gust ing p.o.s...I feel like his mom may have known something about past behaviours...theres no way his parents did not know something was off...seems like he got away with a lot...Jen, I wont even call her a mother...she was a villain in Maddie's story... it's like she just handed her over to him...it's just so insane to me!!!...I hope she goes to prison, I dont care what her mental situation is!
I think that Jen knew what was going on on. After all she was probably at home when all this happened and probably even had something to do with it. She did not seem overly concerned to me.
She knew it was happening but chose to deny it , even called Maddie a liar ! But she didn't see anything wrong with it and wasn't in on the murder but if she had been a decent mother she would not have pimped out her daughter for a scroungee bum .
yeah. she broke up with SS bc he wasn't having sex with her, and she sends Maddie to a roiom upstairs with him????? don't tell me she didn't know! clearly she is not an intelligent person, you can tell by looking at her stupid face, but come on! you don't have to be a genius to understand what is going on! she literally TRAFFICKEd her daughter!!! disgusting and infuriating!
Does Anna the LCSW have a channel? Where can i see more of her? Brilliant discussion that she added so much value to. Im adding her book to my cart after this.
The lady with the red top makes the most sense of all of them. The fact that people don’t see the problem is the scary thing. We’re phasing out childhood without even realising it.
What kind of mother subjects her daughter to all these roommates. A perfect storm in the works. She is evil to the core. She needs to be held accountable and go to jail!!! Throw the key away. 1:05:15
Her saying the whole problem is social media is just irresponsible and nonsensical. The problem is that there are sick and disgusting people out there in the world.
And that Elon Musk, the “free speech absolutist”, will do anything to protect children when horrific bigotry has been his fountainhead, yet you can’t say the word “cisgender” on X as it’s deemed “hate speech”. You want that, Susan? Seriously? Is she just uninformed? She sounds like a CNN talking head in a 2PM round circle. (A Republican multi-millionaire bought out CNN a few years ago). Dr. G recommended me this channel and I’m severely disappointed. He would push back if he was involved in this, I would bet my morning coffee.
@sj9410 , I'm going to have to disagree with that assertion. The presence of sick and disgusting people on this earth is "perpetuated" by the fact that people give birth to more people, thus "perpetuating" more sick and disgusting people as a certain percentage of the population. These cretins have been on the earth since humankind emerged and will continue to be here regardless of social media.
evil but not child sex abuse evil & not child pornography evil. Jennifer Soto has no excuse. She can talk about all of her medications & their effects on her body & complain about lack of sleep due to her new job but nothing excuses this. She saw what was going on and she was part of it. She was okay with Stephan Sterns sleeping with her daughter when she was not in the bed with them. She is quoted as saying, "The sex was not evil, the murder was evil." Has she not heard that sex with underage children is illegal and immoral? What would make her think that her 37 year old boyfriend having sex with her 13 year old daughter for the past 5 years when he was 32 and Madeline was 8 was normal and not evil?
Watch Dr. Gary Brucato and the Host/Detective on The Interview Room speak on this case. It’s a 3 hour deep-dive and it was EXCELLENT. I find the author of the book on grooming and the detective to be very solid. Constantine has made some claims tonight that I find slightly premature & presumptive, although I agree with what she said in closing about speaking up.
@@TalLeGal I have watched Dr. Gary Brucato & Chris, the police detective, many times on The Interview Room. Dr. Brucato is very intelligent & I love listening to him & learning from him. I liked the experts on this video, however.
I think Anna Sonoda is very professional and knowledgeable on this subject matter. I don’t think what Ms Constantin is contributing is useful. She is making claims that are not substantiated and her body language ability is questionable.
I don’t love that she is interjecting everything with an off topic comment, but could it be her political views that help sway your opinion of Ms. Constantine? 😂
@@evephelpsmarketing we shouldn't even KNOW her political views. You hit on exactly what was wrong with her inclusion on the panel. Tell me, what are the politics of the others on the panel? We don't know because their politics don't color their understanding of the issues at hand. Ms Constantine is no expert in pedophilia and grooming.
@@KattEylAnyone with remotely any skill in media analysis can read between what she is saying based on the narrative, syntax, and rhetoric she uses. It’s pretty apparent she leans to the right. That doesn’t mean I know who she voted for - but it does tell me what some of her priorities are and what news sources she utilizes (because of the syntax).
There was a case in Australia in 1980 whereby a mother was crucified and demonised by the media for over two decades BECAUSE she didn't fit the expectations of a grieving mother who lost her daughter to a Dingo ( a native wild dog ) until she was exonerated for the murder of her daughter by the courts . A film was made about the relentless attacks by the public and subsequent wrongful incarceration starring Meryle Streep .
First time watching this channel, and I'm glad that I took the time to listen to this elevated discussion on this Tragic case. I learned a lot from the Brilliant, dedicated LCSW on the panel. As a Former Social Worker, I knew about some of the Grooming warning signs, but The see-saw example was very effective. I have an Important question for the Experts, since the Florida authorities have stated that they don't intend to arrest Jennifer Soto, despite all of her incriminating statements and behaviors. What can be done to put pressure on The Authorities to arrest and charge her. Because, if allowing your Creepy boyfriend to sleep in bed in a separate room on another floor, with your prepubescent daughter, isn't illegal, it definitely should be.
I absolutely agree with this lady. I’m single but I’ve ended relationships and I’ve had men in tears because porn has completely ruined “normal” sex for them. It’s like their brains have become so used to seeing a certain kind or level of sexual activity that anything less than that they can’t get aroused. Nothing to do with love or attraction. The make up of their brains has actually changed. We are in big trouble if things don’t change.
A perfect example of jen's lies is sending S S& maddie to bed together to get her GOID SLEEP, then stating later she wasn't scheduled to work the next day. She is also a major manipulator
‘We can use this case as an example/lesson…..,’ well no normal people are doing the disgusting things these people did. And the people who are, are ignoring ‘lessons.’
Her mother endangered her big time by letting this monster take over her daughter's life,a man should not have control of your child's hygiene like he had control of it.
I know body language analysis is popular right now (like tv psychics in the 80's). But you can watch video after video of innocent people acting creepy, suspicious, stoic, detached, and on and on. We need to stop trying to gauge someone's guilt based on pseudoscience.
Except when a mothers body language comes across as calm cool detached and totally uninterested in her daughters disappearance. Not even slightly upset in any signs. Thats called a huge red flag body language situation.
Yes I believe all said here is true. She had no emotion towards MADDIE,she has lied since day one. A mother of a child does not have reactions like the one she had and has.She was complicit from the very beginning.
Y'ALL CAN'T TELL ME Maddie did NOT tell Anyone what was happening to her for 7 year's of her 13 year life!¿! Did she NOT have one person she COULD TRUST?¿? That's what Moma's are for!¡!
This is one of the intelligent, common Sense and inspirational video on this terrible case. It’s true lots of folks don’t want to get involved or fearful to report, so this video is a good reminder we should always report and help others. I think it’s a great idea to implement a report without being fearful.
I believe laws should be changed in missing children investigations,once law enforcement gets called to a home a warrant has and should be issued immediately to search the home and surroundings the phones and computer that is and should be done.
This so called mother knew that Maddie was being abused. Over 1700 images and video of her daughter on her boyfriend’s phone. That means that this precious girl was led into a closed bedroom door over hundreds of times in her own home, and Jen is clueless?? I call bullsh.. liar
Excuses medication and mental illness shouldn't be an issue to keep MADDIE safe. Her irresponsibility and neglect and putting MADDIE in danger was her choice. She had options for not accepting this creep in her home,yet she chose to call him back. It's particularly the mother's fault for what happened to Madeline.
This is my fave channel. I have to take breaks because between this case and the Addelsons, I find it hard to stay optimistic since so dark. However, I am back. I do hope you go to Orlando to cover this case. I feel mainstream media gives all of 5 min and there are so many details. I agree with the panel, these days are just the beginning of something far scarier. I pray for true and swift justice, no other than death will do. Poor darling Maddie. 😢
"We are losing our spirituality"? I don't think this needs to be said in relation to this case. I like to listen to experts. This is a religiously tinted rant in my opinion by the guest in the red blouse. When normal people watch a violent or s*ual scene on tv we do not automatically shoot or abuse others as a result. Ironic too, saying social media is the problem while appearing on social media to promote your book.
These things happen all the time. The nation never gets shook up. Women and children mean nothing in this country. Look at how our leaders and potential leaders talk about women. Not to mention all the folks who think these guys are acceptable in leadership roles. Come on this has been highly publicized. This happens all the time with little care from this nation.
This case is Disturbing Jenn knew everything! Failed her daughter big time & not being charged with some kind of abuse pimed Maddie out to sterns ! Not right 🤬🤬🤬
I don’t agree with 5:51 not talking about it and or not releasing info! This reminds me of the war on drugs. We chased our tails for years without recognizing the true problem. We need education so that children can tell.
She changed her story several times on when they went to bed.She lied consistently from her 1rst interview. If thats not guilt i dont know what is. Why would an innocent person have to lie???
I think using a person whose expertise is in analyzing voice patterns as an expert in CSA is dangerous. Many of the statements made by Ms Constantine were, at best, uninformed and, at worst, bordering on hysterical.
Correct if something dosent feel or look right act on it it could save a life .to many people ignore or dont want to get involved but even a anonymous fone call might save a life .
It drives me crazy when people say that psychologists that have Dr. in front of their names are technically not a doctor. Yes they are and they still get the education to earn the Dr. status. They aren't medical doctors but are doctors of the brain that a medical doctor can't do.
Yes. Psychologists have a doctorate in psychology and take licensure exam. Medical doctors have a doctorate in medicine and take licensing exams. Same level of education, different fields that often work collaboratively
@Auqua1973 Ms Sonoda isn't a Dr. No PhD, she's a LCSW. It's a distinction that doesn't take away from her obvious understanding and expertise in this issue, but she is not a Dr.
What they do is claim they love Jesus and their such wonderful Christians , oh and by the way you can see the drawings and genitals but it's behind a paywall.
It’s very evident that you take this seriously Joel. Thank you for covering this case. I hope I might be able to attend any trial pertaining to this case. There is much more going on here than we yet know.
When my son was in high school, his teen girlfriend told him that her stepfather was watching her shower. My son told me. I've never cared what people thought of me and reported the incident to the girl's school counselor. I didn't call the police because the offender was a police officer. I received backlash from the family, but I did the right thing.
Hi @mintpatty, you did the right thing,a million per cent right decision👍👏.
Even if it didn't happen it's got to be taken seriously,,cos if not a lot more may be going on ?Sadly,Some Police officers are not Angels as we've seen in Boston,and other places,(allegedly?)Don't you lose no sleep over it ok? All the best
Warren 🙏
You absolutely did the right thing and so did your son❤
What happened after? I’m so glad you and your son spoke up!
@@rnguyen2516probably got a promotion.
I don’t care what her mental state was, she should have protected her kid. And she didn’t. No excuse.
I think the whole family knew ,she begged her aunt not to take her home I believe she told her aunt she didn't want to be there because of Shephan was going to be there aunt didn't care
Yep. I don't give 3 sites about her mental health. Evidently she is ok enough to have her in her custody, so she can take the consequences. This is BS. She needs prison. She can nap 24/7 in there. Oooohhhhh........ She pisses me off so bad. She just of waste of air
Completely agree 💯
Anna Sonoda, LCSW, just gave us the best definition of “GROOMING” that I’ve *ever* heard: “Grooming is a perverse form of courtship: (1) FLATTERY; (2) FAVORITISM; (3) FORBIDDEN FRUITS (characterized by the tell-tale sign of ISOLATION FROM CAREGIVERS); and (4) FEAR.” This is the simplest, most memorable, and most useful description I’ve ever seen. Best definition ever. Thank you, Ms. Sonoda.
COE, you’re in my thoughts and prayers as you comb through the disturbing case documents for this and other difficult topics that you cover. I’m sure it’s a grisly task and it must feel thankless sometimes, but never forget how much we all appreciate you and the guests you host. We’re sharing your links, keeping you in our prayers here, and looking forward to being in a position to make a useful dono. Thank you.
Thank you for this!
She’s wonderful. I plan on buying her book although all of my children are grown.
When the detective told the mother we are bringing in the 's' crimes division, she said "ok". Are you KIDDING me?
They explained it as being 'because of her age'
CSA has been going on forever. It happened to both my sister and me, over sixty years ago. No one went to the police. I think people just don't realize how rampant SA is.
Happened to me 57 yrs ago. It just wasn't talked about or prosecuted back then. I know for a fact that my aunts were sexually abused in the 1940s. Pedophilia has been around forever unfortunately
@dolphinmom37 exactly. It isn't happening because of the prevalence of "pornography." For crying out loud, that's a dangerous and reductive opinion to put out into the world.
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@@dolphinmom37Agreed. Until folks care about children and give these perverts a life sentence this will go on and on. No child is safe in the world when these individuals are allowed any freedom.
@@NikkiKims Agree what a stupid argument she put forward. Very undermining towards SA children.
I totally agree 💯 with what she just said,everyone in the Soto family family failed MADDIE big time and her father's side and school system,no one did anything to protect her,she was neglected her welfare was not considered. Adult people need to know what's right and this mother which to me doesn't deserve that title should be arrested. There was DV in that home and SA going on and that woman did not value MADDIE.
6:47 I have to disagree right off the bat, I'm sorry. But this NEEDS to be talked about. This NEEDS to be told. Not only for Maddie, but for every other child out there going thru this or who may go thru this. And you want to talk about kids seeing this stuff, well they should! If the parents aren't going to talk to them, someone needs to and tell them this isn't okay. And that they need to know if they are in this situation to GET HELP OUT OF IT. Yes it's disturbing and yes it's scary and disgusting etc etc. But this is the deep dark that needs to be put to light to help STOP it from happening. STOP SWEEPING IT UNDER THE RUG. Let it out. Let everything be known. This needs to be discussed in volumes and in depth and people really need to realize this happens ALL THE TIME
Totally agree
Yes yes yes
So frustrating when they comment on cases they are uninformed in. This Susan character needs to take a few minutes to read about the case before she gets on the panel. Doesn't take much. Ruins the whole thing.
Her voice is awfully irritating as well... sorry not sorry
Pretty awful, came to comments . Glad to see others understand
I thought same😢
OMGosh I totally agree! 😔
I unsubscribed because of Susan
Jenn got caught! She knew
How could any mom subject their child or any child to such a scumbag.These monsters single out moms for their children!
The idea that sex scenes in movies can be blamed for this kind of perversion - let alone "porn" - ignores that pedophilia is as old as humanity. I find this perspective ridiculous.
Susan: "Even ANNA MAY!!" Maybe Elon Musk can fix it. Oh yeah, like he "fixed" Twitter.
Absolutely ridiculous. Also implies that a movie can turn kids onto porn which can lead to them being SA. What a terrible victim blaming idea.
@lululiga333 I found her presence on this panel, billed as some kind of expert, to be potentially damaging to the audience. Some of the comments here bear this out. The answer is not to "bring back spiritual connection," ffs. Organized religion is a hotbed of pedophilia, from evangelical/Pentecostal to Baptist to Catholic.
I don't think its realistic to blame existence of kinky porn role play content as cause,however I think can be problematic, stern could use such material to normalize and groom maddie, can use existence of as evidence that behavior he encourages is not abhorrent, that is a natural sexual component. That's how its dangerous,it can be weaponized \ used to groom children, beyond what any consenting adults may do with material.
The guest who made this comment clearly has an agenda, which compromises her credibility IMO.
At the very minimum she needs to be charged with felony child abuse / neglect.
What do you do when the child isn’t believed and CPS sends them back to the house because one parent is lying about it happening?
You protect the child until investigation is complete.
I have yet to hear a story where CPS got involved that had a good outcome.
My son was SA'd IN foster care, there because I got drunk one night.
# Arrest Jennifer Soto
Arrest Susan ! 😂
Its not going to happen.
It WILL happened, after she testified in SS trial.
That woman is GUILTY. She knew exactly what he was doing to her daughter.
I’m so disgusted that the dark haired lady went on that tangent in the beginning. Not holding SS or even JS responsible for this terrible crime, but social media, porn, and the internet. Let’s recognize it was that sicko and the access he was allowed to this woman’s child. That, although I do believe poor Maddy was groomed, it was NEVER Maddy’s fault. Gross commentary on her part in my opinion.
Well said. Exactly it sounds like blame the victim to me too horrible. Lol and sounds like her husband had to agree not to watch any movie with a love/sex scene in it. In case they get addicted to porn? 🙄 I’ve heard it all now. What a ridiculous notion.
@@lululiga333 absolutely wild. They must be extremely impressionable people.
@@Liz-mm1sy Lol more likely shes scared he'll see another womans flesh. Control freak :)
I think she is pointing out the impact social media, the dark web and porn has on society as a whole. She is correct in what she is saying. I’m a middle school teacher and it unbelievable how the majority of young boys are walking around with full internet access in their pocket. The younger they are, the more damaging it is to the child bc they don’t know how to process the images they are seeing, yet are immediately addicted to seeing those images. She wasn’t blaming Maddie. We don’t even know any of Maddie’s social media habits. But all this horror (which is a global epidemic)is related to the access people have to the internet.
She handed her to him on a silver platter
When your viewers are aware and listened to the police interrogations have more info than your guests it's a problem
Oh wow…Susan is a big yikes.
Right?!! 😔
Almost turned them off until her Elon Musk comment was challenged. A bit much given this sad serious and sensitive topic.
@@catherinemallette7490 between that and the "we fast forward through 'sex' scenes," "it's even in ANIME," and "Gov DeSantis will make sure he's on death row" ... um. WHAT?
DeSantis won't be governor when Stearns is sentenced. Governors do NOT sentence criminals. Elon Musk AND DeSantis are extremists. Like, tell us your politics border on hysterical, lady.
@@NikkiKimsthe second you do that, you shut down half the listeners from taking your ideas, opinions, or expertise on the topic seriously. Sensational and dangerous to suggest these horrific issues are easily “fixed” by one billionaire and one governor. An unrealistic solution to a world-wide crisis.
Her husband probably sneaks porn behind her back 🤔👀💀 he can’t even watch a love 💕 scene in a move?! It’s a “her” problem🤒☠️
This story definitely needs to be told! You never know who may stumble on your channel, and may help them in some way. People can also change the channel if they don’t want to hear about this case.
Susan just rambles on and sounds like she is angry but qlso very lost and confused 😂
Please do not have Susan back. She’s nuts. I almost stopped watching - she’s off the deep end with the fear mongering.
@@TheLauren1113 I totally agree with you
If anyone even remotely suspects that their child has been molested,please have your child checked out.There is no excuse for this to continue to happen to any child!
Amen. I’m a retired HS teacher, and as such h, a mandated CSA reported. Adults should never ignore anything and reporting to CPS is anonymous.
Sadly, too many mothers choose to believe the abuser over the child because they don’t want to face unpleasant truths and take “inconvenient” actions.
and bc they don't want to lose a man. come on!!!
@@thecozyconstellationright he (SS) wasn’t even contributing as daddy was stopping the $600/payment for bedroom #4 & where Jenn sent her 13 year old daughter to “sleep” with her ex-BF with one pillow 😳👀💀
The entire panel is mispronouncing Stephan. Is this intentional for some reason?
No offense, Joel and COE, your guest Consentine was a little over the top tonight.........didn't care for her rant.
she went way too far.... her poor husband lol
I have really liked Constantine’s input up to this point. But if she truly believes Elon Musk can “fix” anything in this world (and I think she was sincere in saying that), she’s a bit detached from reality. The man has how many children w/how many women? He’s been charged w/keeping the singer “Grimes”, the mother of at least one of his children, from having access to her child(ren). His child who is transgender claims to have been emotionally bullied and abused by Musk and changed her last name from “Musk” because she wants nothing to do with him! Oh, and Elon has stated that this child is “dead” to him. Constantine is obviously a fan of DeSantis as well, an autocratic Governor who has done insurmountable harm to our state.
She’d do well to keep her political leanings to herself when on STS.
I think Jenn knew about the SA, but the roommates did not. I think Maddie woke up from the extra meds that Stephan gave her (text messages confirm he gave her extra) during the SA. I think Stephan broke her hyoid bone to quiet her. I think Stephan convinced Jenn to help sell a story to cover Stephan. Jenn needs to face a jury of her peers as a wake up call to all of the mothers out there who choose willful ignorance over their children’s well-being.
This case has nothing to do with social media, though.
Social media in some areas, AND THERE ARE MANY, is the devils playground. If you don't see that, either you don't watch social media or two, your eyes and ears are covered.
No more Susan, please. Dr. G recommended this channel to me and I presumed it would be a safe academic and analytical space.
Susan starts off with borderline Satanic-Panic fearmongering about adult material rotting the brain’s gray matter. *Pardon me?* Then drops a Chris Hansen revelation, when he’s one of the most problematic figures of 2000s true crime genre?
I cannot finish this. The LCSW seems like a wonderful woman making great change and knowledge sharing. I look forward to your next video but will be unable to watch any Maddie analysis if Susan remains.
Bless you, Maddie. We’re here for you.
Yep. Anna gets it. The others, not so much.
EYE OPENER..... SATAN IS REAL.
@@Ms.Prairie Thank you. You perfectly articulated my unease with Susan Constantine. She shouldn't be part of any panel on this or any issue.
@@Ms.Prairie Agree. Worst guests
So well said and true. Also most comments here show that what you say is agreed with, and also very true perceptive and valid.
My niece has always loved history like me. I told her about one book I was reading about a famous royal family. She told me in front of her mom that she would like to read it. I told her mom that I didn't think that was a good idea at that point in time, that it was not appropriate because it included "animalism" ( sex with animals). Her mother told me that kids these days know all about all that kind of stuff these days.... I am thinking my niece was about 11, 12, or 13. I was shocked. I told her mother that I( yes, me) was NOT going to be the one to provide her
Thank you for protecting your niece ❤
PLEASE provide young people with who they need to SAFELY contact to get help when they are being abused !
I like the social worker. She's much more realistic. Susan is lost in the woods
Susan legit triggered me with her intro lol. She’s shaming many, many child survivors and she doesn’t even seem to realize it.
The social worker is awesome. You can tell she’s worked with many different people, and has read many articles for decades.
@@Ms.Prairie she also mentioned her new book….immediately.
@youareawesomethankyouforge8803 so glad it wasn't just me. I saw this exact kind of fake expertise in the stranger abduction hysteria of the 80s and its both dangerous and ridiculous. I cannot believe that someone who is a voice stress "analyst" is being passed off as an "expert" in human behavior.
@@youareawesomethankyouforge8803 yes I agree
@@Ms.PrairieI don’t understand how Susan shamed sexual abuse victims and how she triggered anyone with her intro? Also, there is nothing wrong with promoting a book. Joel does it all the time! That’s what you do when you write a book.
He didn't have to do much to earn the mother's trust. It's blatantly obvious she didn't care a thing about her daughter. She showed absolutely no concern for Maddie, but showed immediate concern about getting her "pills" out of the house.
Susan is playing to the media. I dont think Jennifer is that bright. She was used by this guy. I dont like susan's raging voice.
Loud
Aggressively half-correct. A frustrating narrator to listen to. This isn’t ‘The View’.
@@Ms.Prairie apparently today it is! 😂
She's on a podcast and says this shouldn't be released on social media. So what should we do? Shut down everything?
The world according to Susan = put your head in the sand Susan…does she know that Republicans & church pastors are the worst people for CP & SA!
JS needs to be charged with trafficking and accessory to murder.
@@kellijanssen1171 she only got money from her other roommate. Which was 600.00
THEY DONE SAID THERE WIL BE NO CHARGES
I believe she got immunity
Maddie cry and beg her grandmother no to send her home its in one of interrogation videos so sad.
That's horrible makes me shiver..
All the signs were there but no one listened, no one cared enough to do anything for this beautiful little angel.
Props to STS for this podcast! I've seen so much outrage about this case, which is appropriate, but very few discussions seem to go beyond the outrage. Situations like Maddie Soto's happen regularly, and it's great to see you shift the conversation to why they occur and how we can protect children from exploitation.
Poor Maddie was failed by so many! So many people could have stepped in along the way and nobody did. This case is so heartbreaking. If only one person had spoke up poor Maddie may still have been with us! Even raised a red flag or their suspicions!
Why would one of the guests find it appropriate to slide in her political affiliation- by this I mean the Elon Musk comment. Very disappointing!
So sickening because it just shows how uninformed she is with Musk’s recent behaviour. She’s detached from lifelong learning and critical media analysis - something integral to criminology and trauma academia.
Elon is not a politician but free speech advocate.
He got rid of sexual images and porn on twitter (X) and kicks anyone off who has uploaded it to the platform . That’s probably why she mentioned him. You who responded to it with great offense actually brought in your political views leaving me to assume you are democrats. I don’t know what political party she is a part of.
@@floridaislandgirl1039 That’s completely false and is a facade he’s created in order to align himself with extremely dangerous people.
@@floridaislandgirl1039he's disgusting with his views.
Why didn't a teenager have her own bedroom and bed and sleep by herself?
And also the roommates not saying anything at all like the roommates how did they not notice this or hear that little girl crying or anything happened? Like why were they so oblivious?
That lady is right about desensitising around sex on tv and in media in general...cant even watch a cartoon without it...its too much...I love watching, korean movies for this very reason...you dont need sex and inappropriate behaviour to enjoy a great storyline...they've sold to us, "sex sells" for a really long time and its getting worse!!!...stephen sterns is a dis gust ing p.o.s...I feel like his mom may have known something about past behaviours...theres no way his parents did not know something was off...seems like he got away with a lot...Jen, I wont even call her a mother...she was a villain in Maddie's story... it's like she just handed her over to him...it's just so insane to me!!!...I hope she goes to prison, I dont care what her mental situation is!
I think they both should go to prison Jenn handed Mattie to this sick monster 👹
I think that Jen knew what was going on on. After all she was probably at home when all this happened and probably even had something to do with it. She did not seem overly concerned to me.
She knew it was happening but chose to deny it , even called Maddie a liar ! But she didn't see anything wrong with it and wasn't in on the murder but if she had been a decent mother she would not have pimped out her daughter for a scroungee bum .
yeah. she broke up with SS bc he wasn't having sex with her, and she sends Maddie to a roiom upstairs with him????? don't tell me she didn't know! clearly she is not an intelligent person, you can tell by looking at her stupid face, but come on! you don't have to be a genius to understand what is going on! she literally TRAFFICKEd her daughter!!! disgusting and infuriating!
Does Anna the LCSW have a channel? Where can i see more of her? Brilliant discussion that she added so much value to. Im adding her book to my cart after this.
@MelissaT318 Amen! Let's support Anna by buying her book & finding watching her channel. She definitely adds value on this important topic!
I am a 2x survivor working on becoming a warrior .
@kellidavis2085 4x for me. Hang in there - you'll make it. The hardest part is the surviving and at your foundation, you are already a warrior.
@nikki6821 wow 4x awful
Same here but had very intensive therapy for women who are incest survivors.G.B.U.
You are a warrior!
As a Survivor you already ARE a WARRIOR! I Wish You Further Success in Your Journey
The lady with the red top makes the most sense of all of them. The fact that people don’t see the problem is the scary thing. We’re phasing out childhood without even realising it.
What kind of mother subjects her daughter to all these roommates. A perfect storm in the works.
She is evil to the core. She needs to be held accountable and go to jail!!! Throw the key away. 1:05:15
The dark-haired female guest seems like a right-wing alarmist.
Her saying the whole problem is social media is just irresponsible and nonsensical. The problem is that there are sick and disgusting people out there in the world.
And that Elon Musk, the “free speech absolutist”, will do anything to protect children when horrific bigotry has been his fountainhead, yet you can’t say the word “cisgender” on X as it’s deemed “hate speech”.
You want that, Susan? Seriously? Is she just uninformed?
She sounds like a CNN talking head in a 2PM round circle. (A Republican multi-millionaire bought out CNN a few years ago).
Dr. G recommended me this channel and I’m severely disappointed. He would push back if he was involved in this, I would bet my morning coffee.
@@baker_cannerWhich is perpetuated by social media....
@sj9410 , I'm going to have to disagree with that assertion. The presence of sick and disgusting people on this earth is "perpetuated" by the fact that people give birth to more people, thus "perpetuating" more sick and disgusting people as a certain percentage of the population. These cretins have been on the earth since humankind emerged and will continue to be here regardless of social media.
Exactly.
Sometimes I find these experts naive about the pain and stress of life which causes people to be susceptible to evil.
well said
evil but not child sex abuse evil & not child pornography evil. Jennifer Soto has no excuse. She can talk about all of her medications & their effects on her body & complain about lack of sleep due to her new job but nothing excuses this. She saw what was going on and she was part of it. She was okay with Stephan Sterns sleeping with her daughter when she was not in the bed with them. She is quoted as saying, "The sex was not evil, the murder was evil." Has she not heard that sex with underage children is illegal and immoral? What would make her think that her 37 year old boyfriend having sex with her 13 year old daughter for the past 5 years when he was 32 and Madeline was 8 was normal and not evil?
I'm surprised the school nurse didn't pick up on this
Watch Dr. Gary Brucato and the Host/Detective on The Interview Room speak on this case. It’s a 3 hour deep-dive and it was EXCELLENT. I find the author of the book on grooming and the detective to be very solid. Constantine has made some claims tonight that I find slightly premature & presumptive, although I agree with what she said in closing about speaking up.
@@TalLeGal I have watched Dr. Gary Brucato & Chris, the police detective, many times on The Interview Room. Dr. Brucato is very intelligent & I love listening to him & learning from him. I liked the experts on this video, however.
Jennifer is a sick individual. I hate when people make excuses for her. They need to make a statement and charge Jenn she failed her daughter.
If you listen to the interviews, Jen knew specific times because she checked her phone
I think Anna Sonoda is very professional and knowledgeable on this subject matter. I don’t think what Ms Constantin is contributing is useful. She is making claims that are not substantiated and her body language ability is questionable.
I don’t love that she is interjecting everything with an off topic comment, but could it be her political views that help sway your opinion of Ms. Constantine? 😂
@@evephelpsmarketing we shouldn't even KNOW her political views. You hit on exactly what was wrong with her inclusion on the panel. Tell me, what are the politics of the others on the panel? We don't know because their politics don't color their understanding of the issues at hand. Ms Constantine is no expert in pedophilia and grooming.
@@evephelpsmarketingI don’t know what her politics are. I’d never heard of her
@@NikkiKims I totally agree. I’m laughing at her as a guest because clearly she can’t read a room. lol 😂
@@KattEylAnyone with remotely any skill in media analysis can read between what she is saying based on the narrative, syntax, and rhetoric she uses.
It’s pretty apparent she leans to the right. That doesn’t mean I know who she voted for - but it does tell me what some of her priorities are and what news sources she utilizes (because of the syntax).
There was a case in Australia in 1980 whereby a mother was crucified and demonised by the media for over two decades BECAUSE she didn't fit the expectations of a grieving mother who lost her daughter to a Dingo ( a native wild dog ) until she was exonerated for the murder of her daughter by the courts . A film was made about the relentless attacks by the public and subsequent wrongful incarceration starring Meryle Streep .
First time watching this channel, and I'm glad that I took the time to listen to this elevated discussion on this Tragic case. I learned a lot from the Brilliant, dedicated LCSW on the panel. As a Former Social Worker, I knew about some of the Grooming warning signs, but The see-saw example was very effective.
I have an Important question for the Experts, since the Florida authorities have stated that they don't intend to arrest Jennifer Soto, despite all of her incriminating statements and behaviors. What can be done to put pressure on The Authorities to arrest and charge her. Because, if allowing your Creepy boyfriend to sleep in bed in a separate room on another floor, with your prepubescent daughter, isn't illegal, it definitely should be.
I absolutely agree with this lady. I’m single but I’ve ended relationships and I’ve had men in tears because porn has completely ruined “normal” sex for them. It’s like their brains have become so used to seeing a certain kind or level of sexual activity that anything less than that they can’t get aroused. Nothing to do with love or attraction. The make up of their brains has actually changed. We are in big trouble if things don’t change.
I totally disagree that it's social media. It's parents not teaching their kids how to navigate social media.
Shde should be charged with child endangerment
Susan - you give yourself far too many accolades - ruined this show. Anna - wonderful professional compassionate presentation of information!!!
A perfect example of jen's lies is sending S S& maddie to bed together to get her GOID SLEEP, then stating later she wasn't scheduled to work the next day. She is also a major manipulator
Yes so disgusting that she literally sent her own vulnerable child into his arms. No excuses for that whatsoever.
Replay crew. She's needs charged for sure. She is very disturbed. Sickening.
Joel love you and your guests, amazing panel , love STS ❤
She knew. She didn't care as long as she got her pills.
The parents of Stephan Stern admitted they knew Maddie was in the same bed as Stephan. The mom then blamed it on the child. Sick.
‘We can use this case as an example/lesson…..,’ well no normal people are doing the disgusting things these people did. And the people who are, are ignoring ‘lessons.’
This woman in the red is over the top.
Yeah, I saw her on another panel and thought the same thing. She runs with unproven assumptions as if it's fact. Seems performative.
Her mother endangered her big time by letting this monster take over her daughter's life,a man should not have control of your child's hygiene like he had control of it.
The mother is as sick as what SS is. Shocking what goes on in today's world 😢
I know body language analysis is popular right now (like tv psychics in the 80's). But you can watch video after video of innocent people acting creepy, suspicious, stoic, detached, and on and on. We need to stop trying to gauge someone's guilt based on pseudoscience.
I kind of agree with u
AGREE
I think it is useful analysis, but only if a baseline is established. And many times, it is not established. So we don't know if it is their norm
Except when a mothers body language comes across as calm cool detached and totally uninterested in her daughters disappearance. Not even slightly upset in any signs. Thats called a huge red flag body language situation.
Yes I believe all said here is true. She had no emotion towards MADDIE,she has lied since day one. A mother of a child does not have reactions like the one she had and has.She was complicit from the very beginning.
Y'ALL CAN'T TELL ME Maddie did NOT tell Anyone what was happening to her for 7 year's of her 13 year life!¿! Did she NOT have one person she COULD TRUST?¿? That's what Moma's are for!¡!
This is one of the intelligent, common Sense and inspirational video on this terrible case. It’s true lots of folks don’t want to get involved or fearful to report, so this video is a good reminder we should always report and help others. I think it’s a great idea to implement a report without being fearful.
Mom is seriously self-indulgent concerned only with her emotional state. She nurtured and focused on her “anxiety” while neglecting her child.
I believe laws should be changed in missing children investigations,once law enforcement gets called to a home a warrant has and should be issued immediately to search the home and surroundings the phones and computer that is and should be done.
This so called mother knew that Maddie was being abused. Over 1700 images and video of her daughter on her boyfriend’s phone. That means that this precious girl was led into a closed bedroom door over hundreds of times in her own home, and Jen is clueless?? I call bullsh.. liar
Well said. Impossible not to know.
Replay tonight! Great panel! Educational for certain! Thank you all so much❤
@cancerfree09 don't view Susan Constantine's statements as expert opinion, because they're not and she isn't.
Excuses medication and mental illness shouldn't be an issue to keep MADDIE safe. Her irresponsibility and neglect and putting MADDIE in danger was her choice. She had options for not accepting this creep in her home,yet she chose to call him back. It's particularly the mother's fault for what happened to Madeline.
This was a very helpful and impactful conversation for me, an adult survivor of sex abuse and neglect.
I think they're going to charge her once his verdict comes down and then work from there
Yeah, why have two trials at one time when they don’t have to? And maybe he will testify against her?
This is my fave channel. I have to take breaks because between this case and the Addelsons, I find it hard to stay optimistic since so dark. However, I am back. I do hope you go to Orlando to cover this case. I feel mainstream media gives all of 5 min and there are so many details. I agree with the panel, these days are just the beginning of something far scarier. I pray for true and swift justice, no other than death will do. Poor darling Maddie. 😢
I believe it’s her father’s townhouse and he charged his daughter as well to live there.
Yup
"We are losing our spirituality"? I don't think this needs to be said in relation to this case. I like to listen to experts. This is a religiously tinted rant in my opinion by the guest in the red blouse. When normal people watch a violent or s*ual scene on tv we do not automatically shoot or abuse others as a result. Ironic too, saying social media is the problem while appearing on social media to promote your book.
She’s a right-wing white lady. It’s par for the course at this point.
She’s shrill and uninformed.
These things happen all the time. The nation never gets shook up. Women and children mean nothing in this country. Look at how our leaders and potential leaders talk about women. Not to mention all the folks who think these guys are acceptable in leadership roles. Come on this has been highly publicized. This happens all the time with little care from this nation.
This case is Disturbing Jenn knew everything! Failed her daughter big time & not being charged with some kind of abuse pimed Maddie out to sterns ! Not right 🤬🤬🤬
The papers actually say they found 35,000 images on his thumb drive
I don’t agree with 5:51 not talking about it and or not releasing info! This reminds me of the war on drugs. We chased our tails for years without recognizing the true problem. We need education so that children can tell.
Her comment disgust me. A lot of us mothers have been tired beyond belief
I believe Jen is not "slow" and was the boss of that house.
100%
Arrest and charge jen soto from Australia
She changed her story several times on when they went to bed.She lied consistently from her 1rst interview. If thats not guilt i dont know what is. Why would an innocent person have to lie???
I think using a person whose expertise is in analyzing voice patterns as an expert in CSA is dangerous. Many of the statements made by Ms Constantine were, at best, uninformed and, at worst, bordering on hysterical.
First ever dislike for me
Correct if something dosent feel or look right act on it it could save a life .to many people ignore or dont want to get involved but even a anonymous fone call might save a life .
It drives me crazy when people say that psychologists that have Dr. in front of their names are technically not a doctor. Yes they are and they still get the education to earn the Dr. status. They aren't medical doctors but are doctors of the brain that a medical doctor can't do.
Yes. Psychologists have a doctorate in psychology and take licensure exam. Medical doctors have a doctorate in medicine and take licensing exams. Same level of education, different fields that often work collaboratively
@Auqua1973 Ms Sonoda isn't a Dr. No PhD, she's a LCSW. It's a distinction that doesn't take away from her obvious understanding and expertise in this issue, but she is not a Dr.
I agree no one should show anything inappropriate
What they do is claim they love Jesus and their such wonderful Christians , oh and by the way you can see the drawings and genitals but it's behind a paywall.
Joel you did not over sentionalize this you did great !!!
It’s very evident that you take this seriously Joel. Thank you for covering this case. I hope I might be able to attend any trial pertaining to this case. There is much more going on here than we yet know.
A lot of creators are being respectful
A lot aren't hiding behind a paywall is still showing it .
Susan plugging her book first thing, combined with the social media rant and Karen haircut is a recipe for me to check out.
Love you Maddi girl!! Rip. ❤❤❤❤❤😂
I do think it is odd that the mother was not at the daughter's birthday party. This seems very unusual to me.