Nate, I’ve been watching you, I think since 2017 and I think you do a really great job. I love how much you’ve improved over all those years and let everyone watch; keep making great lessons.
I used to be a chronic ghoster. This wasn't a problem when I was just jamming with friends or improvising, but sometimes the ghost notes would sneak in where they didn't make sense musically. I was playing TOO "funky." Sometimes a groove just calls for silence in between the big beats, or during really space-y jazz figures. I switched to playing my ghost notes in the air. A couple years ago you turned me on to Mark Guiliana and I noticed he'd been doing it too - a lot of the time he'll keep a constant 16th pulse going with his right hand but never actually make contact with the hats or a drum. Looks weird as hell (especially live) but who can argue with him?
I am trying to fix the same thing in my playing. Auto pilot ghost notes where they don’t make sense. I notice that they can compromise the intention in my backbeat in a way that I don’t like
Good one Nate, if I may - My variation of this type of thing (sort of ripped off from Steve Smith on a Vital Information record waaay back in the day) involves backbeat on 2 and 4, and ghost notes on the final two 16ths of those beats ("& and uh"), and then on the "e and &" of 1 and 3. You can play 8ths on hats and 1 and 3 on BD (or straight 4), or whatever pattern you like. Also various tempos though something in the ballpark you're playing here works well as a starting point.. 🤘😗
Extra dry play ghost notes 🎵. Sounds incredible. That's key. You're videos are sound correct. I took introduction to digital recording in college. Only 1 credit but. 😮
This resonates with one useful piece of advice I once received about timekeeping. Someone told me that when I struggled to keep a steady beat at slow tempos, I should set the BPM of my metronome to double the tempo of the song. That way I’d have more clicks between beats, which would help me keep time better. It was great advice. It’s obvious when you hear it but I wouldn’t have thought of it. I think most drummers are secretly afraid of very slow tempos for this reason. All the space between notes is like getting lost in a forest. The extra clicks or beats are like signs to help make sure you don’t get lost.
This same principle is applicable to double bass. The reality is predictability reinforces timing *especially* if you practice with a metronome regularly. The exception to the parallel I made is if your double bass isn't in good time, it will ruin your ability to work with a metronome.
Haven’t checked in for awhile, your playing seems more confident and solid. Maybe it’s not used to hearing you grove like this..either way sounds killer. Funny I try and picture the drums to the songs I play as a fighter. Try and stick to the short combos and jabs most of the time until the end of the round, then throw in a flurry. Just a visualization concept that helps keep me from over playing when I’m on improve mode
Strange, I do this a lot already. Somehow I felt it necessary to practice this exact thing from playing along to Marcus Gilmores playing on Taylor Mcferrins song Chance to Say My Piece.
Ghosts work but what about really slow stuff... Like slow blues 12/8 stuff. I learned to use the ole Ringo windshield wiper method. Its like a pendulum that subdivides that feel just perfectly and keeps me locked in, even when the bpm is scary slow. Give it a try and see what im talking about. Nates examples are fine but they make noise and change the beat... Where the pendulum doesnt require you to hit anything and ends with the same good time results. You do that ghost thing on Peter Greens Need your love so bad and you'll be looking for a new gig.
@@8020drummer no worries Nate... Maybe it's worth a redux and a trip down the rabbit hole on the technique. Seems there are a few of us that have found this useful... Especially us blues players. I know you've covered shuffles but they seem to always be Purdie and variants heavy. Ive got a toolbox from Texas, to Gadd, to Coleman double bass (AVH hot for teacher), to Trucks, and more I don't even know the names for, etc There are so many and it's so important cause seems like many a guitar/bass player love to play blues due to their inflated egos and need to show off. Blues is also not easy to pull off well... Lots of ghosting to loud rim shots. Also your paid lesson are really useful for improving this! Helped me for sure.
What it is. You've played forever. I have to. Playing AA Byzanze like you. You're awesome 💯😎. I see you. In me. I play nearly every day. Ive played in so nany bands. But 2 horn band's. .and country and Rock. Hard. Thank you 🙏 for you. Be well
I think JD is talking to you and sending you code somehow maybe through transcendentally, I see I put up with your smart ass, Whitney this to get through your videos well done
@@8020drummer I wish we could see you just solo over and over again, that way we can just observe what you do. The spoken lessons are good but to hear you drum is a way to observe what you know.
@@cheemooo I 150% agree with this, which is why I try to include as much playing and transparency as possible. I post candid videos from my iPhone almost daily on instagram (just search me). You can also search me and meinl on TH-cam, or just watch a few of my latest TH-cam videos. There should be enough to sink your teeth into. (This is also why I often ask anonymous commenters to “clip me” if they’re making some super contrarian point, because I have to see if they know what it actually feels like to play or if they’re just bullshitting.)
I consider all practice methods “tricks” to get better faster so I don’t know… UNLESS, 80/20 doesn’t really believe this will help and is instead trying to trick us all!
Nate, I’ve been watching you, I think since 2017 and I think you do a really great job. I love how much you’ve improved over all those years and let everyone watch; keep making great lessons.
I used to be a chronic ghoster. This wasn't a problem when I was just jamming with friends or improvising, but sometimes the ghost notes would sneak in where they didn't make sense musically. I was playing TOO "funky." Sometimes a groove just calls for silence in between the big beats, or during really space-y jazz figures. I switched to playing my ghost notes in the air. A couple years ago you turned me on to Mark Guiliana and I noticed he'd been doing it too - a lot of the time he'll keep a constant 16th pulse going with his right hand but never actually make contact with the hats or a drum. Looks weird as hell (especially live) but who can argue with him?
I am trying to fix the same thing in my playing. Auto pilot ghost notes where they don’t make sense. I notice that they can compromise the intention in my backbeat in a way that I don’t like
Nate plays everything really skippy like that but sometimes just sticking the downbeat and leave it alone is what is called for.
“Gauging distance” Interesting. That means so many things for drums overall. You must have had precious time coming upon this realization. Nice video.
Good one Nate, if I may - My variation of this type of thing (sort of ripped off from Steve Smith on a Vital Information record waaay back in the day) involves backbeat on 2 and 4, and ghost notes on the final two 16ths of those beats ("& and uh"), and then on the "e and &" of 1 and 3. You can play 8ths on hats and 1 and 3 on BD (or straight 4), or whatever pattern you like. Also various tempos though something in the ballpark you're playing here works well as a starting point.. 🤘😗
That stray from the path pun was good
Came here to say this, shout out Reynlord.
Extra dry play ghost notes 🎵. Sounds incredible. That's key. You're videos are sound correct. I took introduction to digital recording in college. Only 1 credit but. 😮
This resonates with one useful piece of advice I once received about timekeeping. Someone told me that when I struggled to keep a steady beat at slow tempos, I should set the BPM of my metronome to double the tempo of the song. That way I’d have more clicks between beats, which would help me keep time better. It was great advice. It’s obvious when you hear it but I wouldn’t have thought of it.
I think most drummers are secretly afraid of very slow tempos for this reason. All the space between notes is like getting lost in a forest. The extra clicks or beats are like signs to help make sure you don’t get lost.
This same principle is applicable to double bass. The reality is predictability reinforces timing *especially* if you practice with a metronome regularly.
The exception to the parallel I made is if your double bass isn't in good time, it will ruin your ability to work with a metronome.
Haven’t checked in for awhile, your playing seems more confident and solid. Maybe it’s not used to hearing you grove like this..either way sounds killer. Funny I try and picture the drums to the songs I play as a fighter. Try and stick to the short combos and jabs most of the time until the end of the round, then throw in a flurry. Just a visualization concept that helps keep me from over playing when I’m on improve mode
Fantastic! Thanks.
Strange, I do this a lot already. Somehow I felt it necessary to practice this exact thing from playing along to Marcus Gilmores playing on Taylor Mcferrins song Chance to Say My Piece.
Your snare sound is great 👍🏽
"My playing is not busy, it's supportive!"
Thanks Nate
Ghosts work but what about really slow stuff... Like slow blues 12/8 stuff.
I learned to use the ole Ringo windshield wiper method. Its like a pendulum that subdivides that feel just perfectly and keeps me locked in, even when the bpm is scary slow.
Give it a try and see what im talking about. Nates examples are fine but they make noise and change the beat... Where the pendulum doesnt require you to hit anything and ends with the same good time results.
You do that ghost thing on Peter Greens Need your love so bad and you'll be looking for a new gig.
Admittedly it’s not a complete solution
I think he called that spreading butter, on the hi hats. I've found myself doing that on Chicago shuffles and such just by happenstance
@@todellyson7683 spreading 🧈. That is the coolest description I've heard. I will now refer to that when explaining it in the future.
@@8020drummer no worries Nate... Maybe it's worth a redux and a trip down the rabbit hole on the technique. Seems there are a few of us that have found this useful... Especially us blues players.
I know you've covered shuffles but they seem to always be Purdie and variants heavy. Ive got a toolbox from Texas, to Gadd, to Coleman double bass (AVH hot for teacher), to Trucks, and more I don't even know the names for, etc
There are so many and it's so important cause seems like many a guitar/bass player love to play blues due to their inflated egos and need to show off.
Blues is also not easy to pull off well... Lots of ghosting to loud rim shots.
Also your paid lesson are really useful for improving this! Helped me for sure.
What it is. You've played forever. I have to. Playing AA Byzanze like you. You're awesome 💯😎. I see you. In me. I play nearly every day. Ive played in so nany bands. But 2 horn band's. .and country and Rock. Hard. Thank you 🙏 for you. Be well
wonderful video. where do i click to obtain the pdf transcription. many thanks.
if you received the email, the transcription is in the blog article directly below the video player. the8020drummer.com/blog
@@8020drummer awesome. got it. i was looking in the youtube realm. great concept and lesson. thanks.
Gracias
Intermediate players are just becoming amazing in time! Pun intended lol.
I think JD is talking to you and sending you code somehow maybe through transcendentally, I see I put up with your smart ass, Whitney this to get through your videos well done
0:55 haha I understand that reference
First one
Is that the guillotine intro?
@@8020drummer I wish we could see you just solo over and over again, that way we can just observe what you do. The spoken lessons are good but to hear you drum is a way to observe what you know.
@@cheemooo I 150% agree with this, which is why I try to include as much playing and transparency as possible. I post candid videos from my iPhone almost daily on instagram (just search me). You can also search me and meinl on TH-cam, or just watch a few of my latest TH-cam videos. There should be enough to sink your teeth into. (This is also why I often ask anonymous commenters to “clip me” if they’re making some super contrarian point, because I have to see if they know what it actually feels like to play or if they’re just bullshitting.)
Play all the teeth in the gear. Sixteenth note gear works if none of the teeth are missing. Good point..
Did he just shout out stray from the path?
What metronome do you use?
I just use a free app called tempo
Luke Titus plays that a lot
Funky crutch!!!!
What you need is a trick with a razor and mirror.. maybe some shave cream hmm?
Cringe
@@8020drummer I'm just kidding dude you do a great job. Thanks for the lessons
I mean, those are not "tricks". Just practice methods. Trick is a dumb word.
Pedantic mike over here
@@unintendedinfo2239I think you mean pedantic Petar 😜
I consider all practice methods “tricks” to get better faster so I don’t know…
UNLESS, 80/20 doesn’t really believe this will help and is instead trying to trick us all!