As a mental health nurse with 20 years clinical experience this whole scene is quite embarrassing. The threshold for sections under the mental health act, which I assume this is, is very high. What's clear with this lady is that whilst she is very well presented, and appears to have capacity, she isn't able to retain what anyone is saying. She doesn't appear able to weigh up information, and make a decision. She likely lacks capacity, as per the Mental Capacity Act. The asbestos comment is a bit odd and alerted the hospital staff to make further investigations. Hospitals are snowed under so generally don't follow people into the street. Therefore, having a dozen people surrounding her trying to reason with her is more likely to traumatize her, rather than lead to a return to hospital. She is unable to reason based on the footage, is scared and likely quite unwell. Whilst sounding archaic a more assertive approach and swift return to hospital whilst not a good thing is likely to lead to a better outcome. This should have taken five minutes rather than been allowed to develop into the circus it did, which is a complete waste of resources and bad for the ladies mental health.
I could not agree more. I worked at Elmleigh in Havant and also Hollybank same town. None of us would ever leave our patients/residents alone to create a farce or drama that would only be detrimental to them or staff. We worked as family and friends. What ever went on outside, stayed outside. We would get Council workers trying to fine some of our residents that were allowed out for dropping cigarette butts just outside our property line in the public domain. The Fag Butt Police spread the word that patients here would drop litter and butts so they hung around in bushes, I kid you not. When the residents came in all wound up, the 3rd Party Council workers thought it was OK for them to come in and find out the details of our patients so they could dish out a fine. WE RAN THEM OFF THE PROPERTY. I then made it my mission to go clean up outside. We made complaints to the council and the Fag Butt Police on commission were told to STAY AWAY. It is a really serious issue, when people being looked after for not being completely well, can not even go out for 5 minutes before someone comes along and destroys months of work.
There was a recent high quality metastudy showing facerags = useless - the Cochrane editor in chief clown is trying to get the authors to back peddle & declare that despite the facts the forced useage filthy face rag garbage might be a good idea.
@@johntracey4196 there must be a part 2 , there have been cases of ppl getting sectioned for mentioning chemtrails to their gp. it's theylive feat. the uk health security agency
She thinks it will help make the public think that there's some airborne palutent that unalives people by the masses. She loved the sheeple clapping for her and her comrades , making them feel like hero's that she knew they were not ! These nurses knew it was all bull shit from the beginning, empty hospitals where they could spend all the shift doing tic toc and playing with their phones. I will never trust the N H S again.
what a stupid comment! We do not know this womans history so can assess but to have nurses and police around her suggests something more to this. You are an idiot by even trying to compare this to the maniac that butchered Sarah Everard.
Well that’s where you’re wrong, assuming the lady is on a DoLS, security have every right to assist the Nurse in preventing the patent from absconding.
@@h07swilkinson96 If a person is in hospital they should not be subject to the DoLS if they meet the criteria for detention under the Mental Health Act.
@@h07swilkinson96 if she was there would or should be no reason how she got off the hospital grounds... Whilst making a few off the wall comments about asbestos etc. This could be down to the stressful situation she now finds herself in.
@@reign7770 it’s horrible seeing people in a highly stressful situation. I can only assume that there is indeed a lot more going on. Love to the poor lady. ❤
They had nothing else to do. So you must ask why are so many employed? Just like the covid test sites full of security but very few patients/clients/people wanting testing. And that has spread to the "Job Centres". Too many stuff with nothing to do, too many security with nothing to do. They hate people with cameras fearing the public will see what a waste of money they are. This government knows how to waste money and to line their own pockets.
@Hugo I don’t know what a ‘blc’ woman is, but every human has potential for aggression. There was not a hint of aggression from this person, so clearly no need for the security heavies. I’m sure a couple of cops could have restrained her if she turned nasty, she’s only small.
@Hugo *their Dude, your spelling and grammar is atrocious. I have no hope you are a decent human. If you want to spout racist nonsense, at least have the balls to say ‘black’…..
I know. She wasn't acting violent/angry. Looks to me like she just want to walk away. I would feel pretty intimidated with that lot. Plus do we take their word about a care order. She said she walked out of the hospital because they were asking ridiculous question. Security over reaction 👍
Massive overreach from the state. NHS are under enough pressure as it is without trying to force someone to be treated when they don’t want to. Without cameras I’m sure she would have been dragged away and probably sectioned, all because of opinions of a misguided nurse. Dangerous times
@@popart9350 have you any links, brother? Every time I’ve went to research that I can never find anything on it. Plenty about them creating NASA and the good ol CIA though
@@Anubis_-_ it was few years back if im right it will of been History channel mate ww11 related to rise of national SOCIALISM but was definately featured
@PINACI Well, it’s not if it’s a lawful detention, it’s quite clear to see that the nurses have take her liberty for whatever reason, most likely on a DoLS. So security have the authority to assist in lawful detention, just like anyone does under common law.
@@h07swilkinson96 Well she said she's not under any care order, and if that's the case then private security or the police don't have any authority to detain her without a crime. Especially private NHS security on the street. Private security are not there to do the bidding of what a nurse wants on a public street. Their job is to protect staff and patients who are on NHS property and nothing more. No free adult is obligated to remain in hospital if they choose to leave. So if there isn't any care order in place then it's false imprisonment.
@@PINACI Exactly, the patent said that she’s not, however the trained health care professional said that she is. And you’re wrong, Security and Police do have the authority to assist the Nurse in her detention. You do not have to commit a crime for your liberty to be taken away.
Misuse of the Mental Capacity Act will have happened here. Someone I know went through the same thing. Didn’t consent to treatment, got threatened with being sedated, feared for his safety and left. 2 hours later he had police threatening to kick his door in. Said under the Mental Capacity Act he had no choice but to go back. That Act is designed for the dementia patient walking around in their nightwear or the guy so drugged up he’s a danger to himself. Shouldn’t be used in general medicine.
Exactly 💯 Ask a random selection of people about Their experience over the last decade, Never mind 3yrs, and you're sure 2B told a fair few stories That'd make your toes curl my love 😮❤🎉
So I can't get a hospital appointment for love nor money but they'll happily spend hours of their time dragging women off the street who DON'T want one?
If she gets away they might lose their job. Whether you live or die outside their care doesn't affect them. Not saying that as a criticism necessarily, just the way it goes. I spend far more of my time and effort trying to fix the minor problems in my life, than I do donating to malaria charities to literally save lives. We're selfish creatures.
What's this country come to when a person is surrounded and corralled by security because she's made a decision of her own free will. This country is the pits. She's far more "with it" than the hundreds of crack addicts that roam the streets... don't see the police trying to get them help in a hospital. This situation reminds me of the summer of 2020 when people were being accosted by police and medical staff for nothing more than a sniffle.
@@wavell14 This is deliberate. They are running the NHS badly to create an argument for privatisation. Then the private investors get to reap the rewards of decades of tax payer investment in our system. Standard Britain. Just look at the railways, same pattern. Look at the energy sector, same pattern. I could go on.
@@paullbennett2923 Do you know anything about how healthcare works in France or Germany? You do realise there is an alternative to socialist incompetence?
Charlie needs to be careful messing with the staff at these hospitals or during the next interaction, he might suddenly find that he has been placed under a care order.
Charlie, FFS, please tell me you were JOKING when you said you cleaned your camera lens with a PAPER TOWEL !!!!!! paper towels are made from crushed wood mate, they'll scratch your lens B4 you know it !! Carry a small MICROFIBRE CLOTH 😊😊😊
In the US the best doctors and nurses were forced to quit because they refused the experimental judeo-jab. The Biden regime used the same tactics to purge the military of senior White officers.
Clearly an extremely dangerous shopping lady, a significant threat to herself & most of Manchester. More security, law enforcement & medical authority peeps obviously required. Probably needs the armed forces, coast guard & god knows what else to attend as well to be safe, can they get HMS Safesure (type 42) up the Manchester Ship Canal?
Love your sentiments towards that lady Charlie....love, kindness and compassion are the greatest medicine for all. Bless you CV. The real thing that needed sorting is the pretend Plods ganging around her . That was just a show of force. The complete opposite of love, kindness and compassion. Yet another example and symptom of the madness that society is becoming consumed by 🙏. Peace and love to lady
The behaviour from the hospital security and police especially that nurse is very suspicious to watch the lady clearly has full capacity of the situation upon her
Chris Veitch - When the lady requested from you that she needed help to attach her bag on her trolley, but you remarked you had to go because you had another appointment to attend. Then you stand there continuing the video 😂😂😂 so much for morals and social media profiteering 😂
Given her behaviour, it is more than likely she is on a DoLS rather than a mental health section, meaning she doesn’t understand the repercussions of leaving hospital without treatment. Given that she booked in with possible Co2 poisoning, it is easy to understand the Nurses concerns given that Co2 poisoning causes confusion and abnormal behaviour.
Unless she lacks capacity to give (and thus refuse) consent under the Mental Capacity Act 2005. On the facts of this video alone, nothing shows she lacks capacity, but we don't know her antecedents, whether she's under a court order giving medical professionals powers to detain her if they feel it is in her best interest an so on... they have assumed care for her at some point, and are probably legitimately concerned (in legal terms) for her wellbeing. Like Charlie said it is a grey area especially when we viewers don't have all the facts.
@@Wolfsschanze99 In fact the uniformed security employee & uniformed medical employee jurisdiction has significant limits. I've had the job of extracting victims from hospitals & 'mental health Imprisonment'? facilities on a number of occasions.
@@Wolfsschanze99 You might have been guilty of various criminal offences which would only come to light if another party or parties had determined that you were acting in opposition to the other parties wishes. In a typical care facility with dementia patients & similar all involved are generally happy for a care subject to remain in care for obvious reasons. If the care subject had left with a relevant helper & both declared that any attempt to return the care subject to the care facility by care facility uniformed employees of various types were unwanted then the situation changes regarding the legality of the care facility uniformed employees of various types attempts to retrieve the absconding care subject.
I feel so bad for this lady. True or not, she was scared. She didn't trust anyone and she was being surrounded by people in public. She needed someone to trust desperately. I just imagine my mum in this situation and I'd furious with what is happening. This should have been handled much better and more dignified.
This is disgusting to watch how the nurses private security and police are behaving towards this lady who is clearly aware of the situation and has full capacity
Well done today Charlie....I feel like your were in the right time right place....just your presence of been there changed the hole situation...well documented situation...👍👍
Having 5 hospital security is far too heavy handed and scary. Why couldn't they just move off and allow the 1 cop and the 1 nurse to talk to her in comfort?
The poor lady's mental anxiety probably wasn't helped by the fact the nurses and hospital security guards had their faces covered whilst they were outside 🤷🏻♂️😷🤤. I hope she got the care she needed 🙏🏻
Well played Mr Veitch. The policeman should have told the hospital goons to go away to enable de-escalation. (I hope the 'Hope' Lady is, or will be well).
I saw a video Charlie of someone with a camera taking shots of a building. That is all it was. Suddenly people from within came out all aggressive and surrounded the chap, they were very hostile. Apparently, they were looking after vulnerable people yet decided to leave them all alone inside to accost an individual taking photo's of buildings. I imagine the vulnerable people inside may have become alarmed and stressed because of these peoples actions. These people became very angry and I think one of them called the police over a few photos the chap was taking. It really made no sense to me. They should have stayed with their clients, customers, patients, what ever they are and closed blinds perhaps and then sung some happy songs. But instead, they left all the vulnerable people inside to create mayhem and fear. I wonder what transpired when they all went back in only to realise all the vulnerable inside that had not noticed anything were all rattled. How long did it take these fools to calm down their vulnerable clients after creating such a pointless and needless drama. Can't be good for those inside being there for their wellbeing. Such a shame. I can't find the link to the video but a lot of people have seen it 😜
Charlie loves the tryanny. Free to leave hospital in Liverpool,Free to enter hospital in Manchester and free to leave. Had enough of NHS dictates in the 3 years.
Do you TRULY believe the nurses and Cops would let her walk away with a Care Order? I stand by my advice to her until the end of time. Thanks for witching
@@CharlesVeitch I remember not to long ago your opinions on the Ukraine Russia war, you were so adamant with your uneducated views , then 6 months later you made a grovelling retraction saying you've now educated yourself I love watching you Cv for at least 7 years now!!! but I'm fuming with you today 🤬
@@CharlesVeitch Do you know what a "Care Order" is? It's an order for keeping children in care. They only one who mentioned it was the cop, in the vaguest possible terms. He said she must be under "some sort of care order" whatever that means? I don't think it's an actual thing that applies to adults and I don't think they had any grounds to hold this woman unless she had been sectioned, which doesn't seem likely. The cop was just following the lead of that nurse and going by what she said.
Charlie, all the police and security attention was bad enough, but the Prime-Minister in a Harry Potter beanie??? Definitely OTT!! Although I do applaud Mr Sunak for being a man of the people here! 😉👍 Joking aside, I hope this lady sorts it out. Clearly somebody in the hospital has her best interests at heart I am sure. Just a shame it escalated to this bless her. 🙏
The whole situation is so very sad. If indeed this lady is in need of mental health support, then trying to deliver it like this is awful. I felt that she was scared and her capacity to retain information and weigh information up was greatly diminished by her fear and anger caused by this situation.
Medical fascism disguised as care orders, with 6 goons stalking, harassing and illegally restricting the freedom of movement of this woman, all with the endorsement of the corporate officer, who did nothing to protect this woman, as he was following instructions. Disgusting.
The lady got more right than most of the security guys because it seems most security guys are foreign nationals and they seem to make the laws up as they go. Poor lady WTF.
Whether this lady was under a care order or not ,it must of been quite intimidating to be pursued and surrounded by all these uniformed people. All credit to you Charlie for handling the situation with tact and diplomacy.
It is disgusting that a member of public seeking medical help for obvious chest issues should be treated like this. And being a registered nurse myself, i would find it hard to give good reason for a bunch of goons to chase my patient away, as an advocate she should be in the patients corner, not the camera mans face. How sick is a society that forces a young woman to trust a total stranger with a camera, rather than a policeman or nurse? The lady displayed not one bit of mental health issues, her argument was entirely logical, so no Psychosis, paranoia or delusions. So, she was singled out because her cultural view of medicine is different from a white nurses view? Which of course makes it racism through the back door. Nurse, shame on you. And the rest of you goons.
Any one notice the hospital tag on her wrist? I think shes done a runner with her bags and nurse has duty of care called security and followed her because sh wasn't fit to leave.
This was hard and upsetting to watch. My own son has been under a care order for severe MH issues in the past. The medical team and the polices hands were tied with this one. My own son would exhibit total denial - sense of persecution (not saying it was the case with this woman) but I saw something similar in my son. In the end being detained again his own free will saved his life. Such situations are very difficult to judge and assess. Poor woman I do hope it all turned out well for her.
And this is why we need to retain free press laws especially the street Vlogger'/auditor's. Good man Charlie making sure that the Goonie Squad kept within some kind moral limits because surely the security have zero legal grounds to block and surround this poor already vulnerable woman.
I think Charlie handled the situation well. I would have handled it similarly. It was a hard situation to read. It was nice to see Charlies caring instinct kick in, trying to help her with his knowledge of her lawful rights. An unfamiliar, hard situation for all involved to deal with. She seemed a lovely lady, you could tell by her demeanour. Hopefully she gets the love and care she deserves.
poor poor show charlie, the content for your video asks for help getting a taxi and you hit her with "oh im busy, i gotta go". Practice what you preach
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As a mental health nurse with 20 years clinical experience this whole scene is quite embarrassing. The threshold for sections under the mental health act, which I assume this is, is very high.
What's clear with this lady is that whilst she is very well presented, and appears to have capacity, she isn't able to retain what anyone is saying. She doesn't appear able to weigh up information, and make a decision. She likely lacks capacity, as per the Mental Capacity Act. The asbestos comment is a bit odd and alerted the hospital staff to make further investigations. Hospitals are snowed under so generally don't follow people into the street.
Therefore, having a dozen people surrounding her trying to reason with her is more likely to traumatize her, rather than lead to a return to hospital. She is unable to reason based on the footage, is scared and likely quite unwell. Whilst sounding archaic a more assertive approach and swift return to hospital whilst not a good thing is likely to lead to a better outcome. This should have taken five minutes rather than been allowed to develop into the circus it did, which is a complete waste of resources and bad for the ladies mental health.
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Exactly
Very complex situation. 😢 poor woman. Hope she is safe, warm and well.
I wonder what the real truth was behind this story 🤔
We'll never know.
NHS staff are unable to reason. She seems a lot more capable of weighing up information than your average NHS employee.
I could not agree more. I worked at Elmleigh in Havant and also Hollybank same town. None of us would ever leave our patients/residents alone to create a farce or drama that would only be detrimental to them or staff. We worked as family and friends. What ever went on outside, stayed outside. We would get Council workers trying to fine some of our residents that were allowed out for dropping cigarette butts just outside our property line in the public domain. The Fag Butt Police spread the word that patients here would drop litter and butts so they hung around in bushes, I kid you not. When the residents came in all wound up, the 3rd Party Council workers thought it was OK for them to come in and find out the details of our patients so they could dish out a fine. WE RAN THEM OFF THE PROPERTY. I then made it my mission to go clean up outside. We made complaints to the council and the Fag Butt Police on commission were told to STAY AWAY. It is a really serious issue, when people being looked after for not being completely well, can not even go out for 5 minutes before someone comes along and destroys months of work.
It'll never get better if you picket!
Since when, during the last 3 years, were the NHS worried about people's mental health and wellbeing?
The NHS is primarily a far left political organ. Nothing to do with health.
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The government haven't cared for years , if they don't pay people properly its there fault .
Erm never. This is about using the law to persecute people and discredit their truth.
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Fucking masks, 3 years in 😂😂
Because they reduce the risk of catching illnesses? Use your head
There was a recent high quality metastudy showing facerags = useless - the Cochrane editor in chief clown is trying to get the authors to back peddle & declare that despite the facts the forced useage filthy face rag garbage might be a good idea.
Clowns mate
It's a cult. th-cam.com/video/wKruCsHjQFc/w-d-xo.html
because nurses and doctors never wore masks before the pandemic.
12:20 how many times does she have to say "NO" before it's harassment? 72 times, apparently
spot on there FORCING her to be a voluntary patient
@@johntracey4196 there must be a part 2 , there have been cases of ppl getting sectioned for mentioning chemtrails to their gp. it's theylive feat. the uk health security agency
So why has that head nurse got a mask on in the street
when nobody else has 🤔
She thinks it will help make the public think that there's some airborne palutent that unalives people by the masses. She loved the sheeple clapping for her and her comrades , making them feel like hero's that she knew they were not ! These nurses knew it was all bull shit from the beginning, empty hospitals where they could spend all the shift doing tic toc and playing with their phones. I will never trust the N H S again.
'Go with the policeman, nothing bad will happen'. Worked a treat for Sarah Everard.
That was a very different situation.
Well said, would love to hear what Charlie's response to that would be.
@@noelward8047 Yes Obviously but you’re missing the point: the police are not innately trustworthy because they have a uniform and collar number
what a stupid comment! We do not know this womans history so can assess but to have nurses and police around her suggests something more to this. You are an idiot by even trying to compare this to the maniac that butchered Sarah Everard.
You clearly need to have a good look at your post, then think again.
I can't believe the security guards have any jurisdiction outside of the hospital.
They don't!
Something eerie about this video my friend, i hope Charlie keeps contact with the lass
Well that’s where you’re wrong, assuming the lady is on a DoLS, security have every right to assist the Nurse in preventing the patent from absconding.
@@h07swilkinson96 If a person is in hospital they should not be subject to the DoLS if they meet the criteria for detention under the Mental Health Act.
@@h07swilkinson96 if she was there would or should be no reason how she got off the hospital grounds...
Whilst making a few off the wall comments about asbestos etc. This could be down to the stressful situation she now finds herself in.
Bless that lady. No need for all that
Clearly Harassment
@@willking1625 that's what you get from a 5 min clip, clearly there's more going on 🤦
@@reign7770 it’s horrible seeing people in a highly stressful situation. I can only assume that there is indeed a lot more going on. Love to the poor lady. ❤
@@reign7770 Like what? The only person in that video making any sense was that woman. Nobody else seemed to know what they were supposed to be doing.
Wasting tax payers money the lot of them
Absolutely no need for the security goons to be there.
especially that steroid boy at the end of the video
@@stepawa yes the steroid idiot flexing,what a twat
They had nothing else to do. So you must ask why are so many employed? Just like the covid test sites full of security but very few patients/clients/people wanting testing.
And that has spread to the "Job Centres". Too many stuff with nothing to do, too many security with nothing to do.
They hate people with cameras fearing the public will see what a waste of money they are.
This government knows how to waste money and to line their own pockets.
@Hugo
I don’t know what a ‘blc’ woman is, but every human has potential for aggression. There was not a hint of aggression from this person, so clearly no need for the security heavies. I’m sure a couple of cops could have restrained her if she turned nasty, she’s only small.
@Hugo
*their
Dude, your spelling and grammar is atrocious. I have no hope you are a decent human. If you want to spout racist nonsense, at least have the balls to say ‘black’…..
12:40 she was just assaulted by those security guards = SURROUNDING IS TREATENING, and can be considered "Assault"
13:43 then they block her ability to move, that's "arrest" and "kidnapping," the officers should arrest those goons right here
I know. She wasn't acting violent/angry. Looks to me like she just want to walk away. I would feel pretty intimidated with that lot. Plus do we take their word about a care order. She said she walked out of the hospital because they were asking ridiculous question. Security over reaction 👍
@@cupidstunts.stcmedia.6618 yup, super obvious that they abused their powers and committed several crimes, the police, the security, AND the nurses
They're all parading round in costumes thinking they are above the LAW and that includes the Policy Officers
You can be put under a care order if you know too much. A frightening state.
They can try. They will fail with anyone who knows what they are trying to do. What do you know Daz? Anything juicy?
You have been Assanged.
Using mental health as another control weapon ? No theyd never do that 😮
Massive overreach from the state. NHS are under enough pressure as it is without trying to force someone to be treated when they don’t want to. Without cameras I’m sure she would have been dragged away and probably sectioned, all because of opinions of a misguided nurse. Dangerous times
NHS under pressure hahaha
Fuck the NHS. Defund the entire system
Did you know the Nhs is a blue print of mengeles
@@popart9350 have you any links, brother? Every time I’ve went to research that I can never find anything on it. Plenty about them creating NASA and the good ol CIA though
@@Anubis_-_ it was few years back if im right it will of been History channel mate ww11 related to rise of national SOCIALISM but was definately featured
Private security blocking her way preventing her from leaving = false imprisonment.
@PINACI Well, it’s not if it’s a lawful detention, it’s quite clear to see that the nurses have take her liberty for whatever reason, most likely on a DoLS. So security have the authority to assist in lawful detention, just like anyone does under common law.
@@h07swilkinson96Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it NOT for themselves!
@@h07swilkinson96 Well she said she's not under any care order, and if that's the case then private security or the police don't have any authority to detain her without a crime. Especially private NHS security on the street. Private security are not there to do the bidding of what a nurse wants on a public street. Their job is to protect staff and patients who are on NHS property and nothing more. No free adult is obligated to remain in hospital if they choose to leave.
So if there isn't any care order in place then it's false imprisonment.
@@PINACI Exactly, the patent said that she’s not, however the trained health care professional said that she is. And you’re wrong, Security and Police do have the authority to assist the Nurse in her detention. You do not have to commit a crime for your liberty to be taken away.
@@h07swilkinson96 What I said is correct... ( Well she said she's not under any care order, and if that's the case then...... )
Those ZOMBIES wearing face nappies are embarrassing
Let us wear face masks if we choose to, you muppet. There's more valid things you could criticise from these weirdos.
Those private security vultures should be caged in the scavengers section along with the other animals in the Churchill House Zoo.
you mean the security staff therre to protect the staff and visitors
They are just doing their job you moron.
Misuse of the Mental Capacity Act will have happened here. Someone I know went through the same thing. Didn’t consent to treatment, got threatened with being sedated, feared for his safety and left. 2 hours later he had police threatening to kick his door in. Said under the Mental Capacity Act he had no choice but to go back. That Act is designed for the dementia patient walking around in their nightwear or the guy so drugged up he’s a danger to himself. Shouldn’t be used in general medicine.
If ever I’ve seen a comment which tells me the author doesn’t know what they’re talking about, this is it
@@slees1847 Give the correct info then big bo*locks?
@@slees1847 Care to elaborate genius?
@@slees1847 Yes, I’m always up for learning new things so educate me. Spotlight is yours.
She's more likely to be harmed than helped in the "healthcare" system.
Spot on Tony.
Exactly 💯 Ask a random selection of people about Their experience over the last decade, Never mind 3yrs, and you're sure 2B told a fair few stories That'd make your toes curl my love 😮❤🎉
Afraid So
@Wealdstone Raider Lol.
oh yeah why's that?
So I can't get a hospital appointment for love nor money but they'll happily spend hours of their time dragging women off the street who DON'T want one?
If she gets away they might lose their job. Whether you live or die outside their care doesn't affect them.
Not saying that as a criticism necessarily, just the way it goes.
I spend far more of my time and effort trying to fix the minor problems in my life, than I do donating to malaria charities to literally save lives. We're selfish creatures.
GREAT REPLY AS YOU KNOW NO ONE WANT`S TO SEE YOU,
AND THEY TROT OUT HOW CARING THEY ALL ARE,
WHEN WE KNOW ITS NOT TRUE,
What's this country come to when a person is surrounded and corralled by security because she's made a decision of her own free will. This country is the pits. She's far more "with it" than the hundreds of crack addicts that roam the streets... don't see the police trying to get them help in a hospital. This situation reminds me of the summer of 2020 when people were being accosted by police and medical staff for nothing more than a sniffle.
Very interesting that the NHS security are OFF their premises/ boundary.
NOT ALLOWED
She shouldn't go any where near the police FACT .... STAY AWAY FROM HOSPITALS!!!
The NHS makes me sick to my stomach.
Awful aren't they. Privatisation will make this much worse.
@@nospoon4799 No it won't. Look to Germany for a far superior privatised system.
@@wavell14 This is deliberate. They are running the NHS badly to create an argument for privatisation. Then the private investors get to reap the rewards of decades of tax payer investment in our system. Standard Britain. Just look at the railways, same pattern. Look at the energy sector, same pattern. I could go on.
@@paullbennett2923 Do you know anything about how healthcare works in France or Germany? You do realise there is an alternative to socialist incompetence?
Don't use it then...🤬
Imagine if you wasn't there filming that. The way they were surrounding and following her was very scary and intimidating
"Trust the cop... Nothing bad will happen." LOL!
Charlie needs to be careful messing with the staff at these hospitals or during the next interaction, he might suddenly find that he has been placed under a care order.
@@FoxtrotYankeeHotel grammar?
Yes some Dr Tar's out there wanting to diagnose.
Charlie, you bottled it.
Charlie, FFS, please tell me you were JOKING when you said you cleaned your camera lens with a PAPER TOWEL !!!!!! paper towels are made from crushed wood mate, they'll scratch your lens B4 you know it !!
Carry a small MICROFIBRE CLOTH 😊😊😊
I second this. Be kinder to your camera bro.
You get a micro cloth free with the camera anyway
and if not you can always get one from Specsavers , say 🤔
How to make a difficult and tense situation, (which you know nothing about), even worse by interfering.
TBF they could start by taking the masks off to be more human if they "care"!
Until 2020 I fully trusted nurses and the establishment.
Now, sadly, they have lost that trust and it will never be regained.
It was 2006 when I found the whole system to be run by crooks.
I completely lost all faith in UK 2005. I was alone for long time. Now seems I'm in majority that's getting angry at last
In the US the best doctors and nurses were forced to quit because they refused the experimental judeo-jab. The Biden regime used the same tactics to purge the military of senior White officers.
whys that is it because you didnt want the covid vaccination
and still people praise them for their 'good work'
Why are they still wearing the silly muzzles?
Clearly an extremely dangerous shopping lady, a significant threat to herself & most of Manchester. More security, law enforcement & medical authority peeps obviously required. Probably needs the armed forces, coast guard & god knows what else to attend as well to be safe, can they get HMS Safesure (type 42) up the Manchester Ship Canal?
Ha ha BRILLIANT COMMENT God Bless You Amen xxxxxxx And God Bless Your Earthly Life Time And Earthly Family Amen xxxxxxx
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I can see you're taking the piss out of the situation
but it's true
what you're saying
it is an absolute load of BS 😅 good one 👍
The masks.... THE EFFING MASKS! 😵💫🤯🤡
you are right Charlie. Those security goons in gloves need to move on. they are intimidating her.
Why are 5 male security guards stood around her embarrassing her is she really that much of a risk
Legit. One or two would have sufficed.
How the hell is so much resource spent on this when most people with mental health issues are put on a waiting list and ignored.
Love your sentiments towards that lady Charlie....love, kindness and compassion are the greatest medicine for all. Bless you CV. The real thing that needed sorting is the pretend Plods ganging around her . That was just a show of force. The complete opposite of love, kindness and compassion. Yet another example and symptom of the madness that society is becoming consumed by 🙏. Peace and love to lady
Noticed her LOVE hair clip?
Charlie the love police guy is okay sometimes but the 'sit in cop car' comment is ill thought out and naive
He jumped into it too quick, then realized it was complicated, then showed some understanding of the situation.
The behaviour from the hospital security and police especially that nurse is very suspicious to watch the lady clearly has full capacity of the situation upon her
Chris Veitch - When the lady requested from you that she needed help to attach her bag on her trolley, but you remarked you had to go because you had another appointment to attend. Then you stand there continuing the video 😂😂😂 so much for morals and social media profiteering 😂
Trust the cop ! WTF
Trust a cop 😂😂😂😂😂 David.& Wayne said the same
She has every right too refuse treatment and that nurse is acting unethically IF she is coercing a patient, rather than as an advocate.
@skinjim123 clearly not under a section as she would not be in the community. She appears lucid, coherent and in control.
Given her behaviour, it is more than likely she is on a DoLS rather than a mental health section, meaning she doesn’t understand the repercussions of leaving hospital without treatment. Given that she booked in with possible Co2 poisoning, it is easy to understand the Nurses concerns given that Co2 poisoning causes confusion and abnormal behaviour.
Unless she lacks capacity to give (and thus refuse) consent under the Mental Capacity Act 2005. On the facts of this video alone, nothing shows she lacks capacity, but we don't know her antecedents, whether she's under a court order giving medical professionals powers to detain her if they feel it is in her best interest an so on... they have assumed care for her at some point, and are probably legitimately concerned (in legal terms) for her wellbeing. Like Charlie said it is a grey area especially when we viewers don't have all the facts.
I suspect the head nurse knows the law and is following it. She doesn't stand to benefit from flouting it.
Mental Health treatment at an NHS hospital, that’s a good one.
Why has the nurse got a face nappy on?
dunno. why has she got a pen in her hair? i think she's acting strange and someone should call the cops on her.
this would have been a whole lot different had you not been pointing a camera i suspect.
yeah she would have got her much needed treatment quicker
I doubt the hospital security staff jurisdiction extends out onto the public street.
It will go to wherever the patient is
@@Wolfsschanze99
In fact the uniformed security employee & uniformed medical employee jurisdiction has significant limits. I've had the job of extracting victims from hospitals &
'mental health Imprisonment'?
facilities on a number of occasions.
@@paulpaul9914 Maybe the laws are a bit different down under, I've captured escapee's km's away from hospital & brought them back.
@@Wolfsschanze99
You might have been guilty of various criminal offences which would only come to light if another party or parties had determined that you were acting in opposition to the other parties wishes. In a typical care facility with dementia patients & similar all involved are generally happy for a care subject to remain in care for obvious reasons. If the care subject had left with a relevant helper & both declared that any attempt to return the care subject to the care facility by care facility uniformed employees of various types were unwanted then the situation changes regarding the legality of the care facility uniformed employees of various types attempts to retrieve the absconding care subject.
@@paulpaul9914 Nah, all good.
And there is a example,all the private security , a nurse, wandering around Manchester, taxpayers money being wasted
I feel so bad for this lady. True or not, she was scared. She didn't trust anyone and she was being surrounded by people in public. She needed someone to trust desperately.
I just imagine my mum in this situation and I'd furious with what is happening. This should have been handled much better and more dignified.
This is disgusting to watch how the nurses private security and police are behaving towards this lady who is clearly aware of the situation and has full capacity
Those security guards were itching to go hands-on.
Well done today Charlie....I feel like your were in the right time right place....just your presence of been there changed the hole situation...well documented situation...👍👍
Having 5 hospital security is far too heavy handed and scary. Why couldn't they just move off and allow the 1 cop and the 1 nurse to talk to her in comfort?
Absolutely despicable treatment of her for absolutely no reason
Britain.
@@a-bootiful-mind6648 Awful paedo theme park Britain.
@Wealdstone Raider The situation still wasn't handled well as she was clearly distressed, regardless of whether she's mentally sound or not lol.
and if she came to harm because of no medical action taken?
@@JamesC1981 That would be her choice right?
The poor lady's mental anxiety probably wasn't helped by the fact the nurses and hospital security guards had their faces covered whilst they were outside 🤷🏻♂️😷🤤. I hope she got the care she needed 🙏🏻
if she hasn't been sectioned then there just bullying her surrounded by brown shirts
exactly.
Well played Mr Veitch.
The policeman should have told the hospital goons to go away to enable de-escalation.
(I hope the 'Hope' Lady is, or will be well).
Charlie , this woman you have had on before 😳, she tried to us a child bus pass 🤣
the cop was glad you were there to be honest lol you did his job for him, poor guy looked scared to talk lol
That poor woman I hope she's okay ❤
I saw a video Charlie of someone with a camera taking shots of a building. That is all it was. Suddenly people from within came out all aggressive and surrounded the chap, they were very hostile. Apparently, they were looking after vulnerable people yet decided to leave them all alone inside to accost an individual taking photo's of buildings. I imagine the vulnerable people inside may have become alarmed and stressed because of these peoples actions. These people became very angry and I think one of them called the police over a few photos the chap was taking. It really made no sense to me. They should have stayed with their clients, customers, patients, what ever they are and closed blinds perhaps and then sung some happy songs. But instead, they left all the vulnerable people inside to create mayhem and fear. I wonder what transpired when they all went back in only to realise all the vulnerable inside that had not noticed anything were all rattled. How long did it take these fools to calm down their vulnerable clients after creating such a pointless and needless drama. Can't be good for those inside being there for their wellbeing. Such a shame. I can't find the link to the video but a lot of people have seen it 😜
The way that wana be gangster came up to Charlie he should be nowhere near vulnerable people. Had no control over his temper.
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@@mickp3605 The Left will employ anyone today...
Exactly phone the dibble let them deal with it ,dont even leave the building
end of this clip is the video your on about .. th-cam.com/video/4bOHsIQ2yVQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CharlesVeitch
When was this??? Why are these so called 'professionals' still wearing masks. Even got them doubled up!! The mind boggles
I don't think you've been to a hospital recently but they all are wearing them.
I don't think surrounding a woman with security guards, especially if she has mental health problems, is a good way to respond.
Don't trust the copper
Charlie loves the tryanny. Free to leave hospital in Liverpool,Free to enter hospital in Manchester and free to leave. Had enough of NHS dictates in the 3 years.
When the state invokes mental health legislation your powerless and at the whim of doctors diagnosis. .just ask Charlie Bronson..
Nurse in a mask on the street , that will calm the situation ! No need for masks at all .
love when Charlie backs up people getting harassed
no he didnt ! he took side of the police !!
@@lacossanostra I saw that too. Completely backed up the authorities.
Don't know what you're smoking when you typed this
@@nospoon4799 i guess authorities aren't people. notice how i didn't specify who he was backing up.
@@sleepswithnopillow8413 Maybe specify that now then...
Why are people still wearing masks outside now? Can't imagine they all have COVID?
We're only protecting you from yourself, now come with us.
How many people died in hospital over the last 3 years ‘who needed to be in hospital’? This is disgusting
Charlie so much for helping the public 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Do you TRULY believe the nurses and Cops would let her walk away with a Care Order? I stand by my advice to her until the end of time. Thanks for witching
@@CharlesVeitch I remember not to long ago your opinions on the Ukraine Russia war, you were so adamant with your uneducated views , then 6 months later you made a grovelling retraction saying you've now educated yourself
I love watching you Cv for at least 7 years now!!!
but I'm fuming with you today 🤬
@@Triggered1964 OK
@@CharlesVeitch "ok" what
a ✊⚓ ers response
@@CharlesVeitch Do you know what a "Care Order" is? It's an order for keeping children in care. They only one who mentioned it was the cop, in the vaguest possible terms. He said she must be under "some sort of care order" whatever that means? I don't think it's an actual thing that applies to adults and I don't think they had any grounds to hold this woman unless she had been sectioned, which doesn't seem likely. The cop was just following the lead of that nurse and going by what she said.
Hope things work out for you Lady ❤️
Charlie, all the police and security attention was bad enough, but the Prime-Minister in a Harry Potter beanie???
Definitely OTT!! Although I do applaud Mr Sunak for being a man of the people here! 😉👍
Joking aside, I hope this lady sorts it out. Clearly somebody in the hospital has her best interests at heart I am sure. Just a shame it escalated to this bless her. 🙏
The upload grind is real 💪🏻
The police are self-harming themselves with those masks. And why are they still wearing them?
The whole situation is so very sad. If indeed this lady is in need of mental health support, then trying to deliver it like this is awful. I felt that she was scared and her capacity to retain information and weigh information up was greatly diminished by her fear and anger caused by this situation.
Medical fascism disguised as care orders, with 6 goons stalking, harassing and illegally restricting the freedom of movement of this woman, all with the endorsement of the corporate officer, who did nothing to protect this woman, as he was following instructions. Disgusting.
So many standing around educated by the book but not much movement for being educated in the heart ❤️
Too many people surrounding that poor lady, cop should of told them to return to their property, it was causing her more stress
The lady got more right than most of the security guys because it seems most security guys are foreign nationals and they seem to make the laws up as they go. Poor lady WTF.
Thousands of people trying to get a hospital appointment and 1 lady trying not to , modern broken Britian
Security clowns yet again acting above there station, retired lifeboatman
Whether this lady was under a care order or not ,it must of been quite intimidating to be pursued and surrounded by all these uniformed people. All credit to you Charlie for handling the situation with tact and diplomacy.
It is disgusting that a member of public seeking medical help for obvious chest issues should be treated like this. And being a registered nurse myself, i would find it hard to give good reason for a bunch of goons to chase my patient away, as an advocate she should be in the patients corner, not the camera mans face.
How sick is a society that forces a young woman to trust a total stranger with a camera, rather than a policeman or nurse?
The lady displayed not one bit of mental health issues, her argument was entirely logical, so no Psychosis, paranoia or delusions. So, she was singled out because her cultural view of medicine is different from a white nurses view? Which of course makes it racism through the back door.
Nurse, shame on you. And the rest of you goons.
What is concerning is security on the public streets.
USSR used to pull stunts like this.
@@nigelwatson2750 and seems to have started doing so again!
Never a dull moment eh lol
Hello fellow grey tick verified TH-cam person
Any one notice the hospital tag on her wrist? I think shes done a runner with her bags and nurse has duty of care called security and followed her because sh wasn't fit to leave.
Ahh the Big old Face Panties.
That woman seems totally fine
breaking the Nuremberg code AGAIN
This was hard and upsetting to watch. My own son has been under a care order for severe MH issues in the past. The medical team and the polices hands were tied with this one. My own son would exhibit total denial - sense of persecution (not saying it was the case with this woman) but I saw something similar in my son. In the end being detained again his own free will saved his life. Such situations are very difficult to judge and assess. Poor woman I do hope it all turned out well for her.
It's almost like charlie and smart guy was surprised to learn he didn't know the whole story.
they think we're all crazy once they hear our accent in Manchester haha
Taken against her will, that's kidnap
And this is why we need to retain free press laws especially the street Vlogger'/auditor's. Good man Charlie making sure that the Goonie Squad kept within some kind moral limits because surely the security have zero legal grounds to block and surround this poor already vulnerable woman.
What right do the private security have in a public area they are employed for the hospital grounds surely theg have no right of detainment
Security clowns 🤡 & I hope the lady is okay 👌 Thanks Charlie 👍
Charlie really missed you, I have been binge watching superchuffer glad to hear your voice xx
I think Charlie handled the situation well. I would have handled it similarly. It was a hard situation to read. It was nice to see Charlies caring instinct kick in, trying to help her with his knowledge of her lawful rights. An unfamiliar, hard situation for all involved to deal with. She seemed a lovely lady, you could tell by her demeanour. Hopefully she gets the love and care she deserves.
poor poor show charlie, the content for your video asks for help getting a taxi and you hit her with "oh im busy, i gotta go". Practice what you preach
It was funny watching Charles torn between helping the common nice lady & helping the Police 😂
He showed his preference, lets put it that way..
@@Danolboy The sad thing is that she thought him as her saviour. The hardest decisions are never easy. 😪
Thank You Charlie For Helping Our Good Sister God Bless You Charlie Amen xxxxxxx And God Bless Your Earthly Life Time And Earthy Family Amen xxxxxxx
The police have to deal with this every day. Hats off to the cop. You are correct, his hands are tied.