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What an interesting interview. Particularly his thoughts on the importance of consistency as a skating competitor and his take on how judges should FEEL and prepare.
He is. He deserves better than TSL rehashing the Battle of the Brians for the gazillionth time anyone has ever done it and for the gazillionth time saying "it shouldn't have been that close," as if his skating utterly sucked when compared to the brilliance of Boitano. It didn't. The outcome was fair, but it was a closely fought competition and rehashing it over and over and saying he was overmarked is an insult to him. Maybe someday he'll get his due for the incredible gifts he has given to skating as a competitor, show skater and producer, and coach. And even a reporter and TV commentator (although he was probably disrespected in that role more than any other). And it's so great that he turned out to play such a huge role in where skating went in those next 5-10 years after this interview. Which is something he probably never imagined. But "never say never"! And yes..."When you see a winner with a coach (in the K&C), that's a class act"! Well said, Brian. You are that class act now.
TruWatcher you completely misinterpreted that comment. It had to do with the difference in technical content on that night and had nothing to do with anyone sucking. They both skated fantastic programs and I awarded both great marks.
Very interesting and informative video, thank you. The most interesting thing for me that he tells that somebody has to talk to ISU, but nobody will listen anyway
Assuming that some skaters coming up these days lack something because they didn't train figures when they were young, like not knowing how to do a rocker or not having good edges, how does that account for Alena Kostornaia, who has some of the best edges ever seen, and an extreme high quality of general skating, yet she didn't do figures? Also, even in the old days, many pair skaters and ice dancers dropped figures at an early age and yet routinely developed into the equal or better of singles skaters in basic skating skills. I contend that for every competitive skater who lacks something because they didn't do enough figures, there are twice as many who gain something by not having done figures. For one thing, in crowded rinks, figures ate up a lot of ice time, and they were expensive to train, in terms of needing separate equipment and to pay a coach to spend time on them, as well as pay for the ice time to do them. Top skaters who struggled with figures would sometimes train them for twice as many hours in a day than they did free skating. With that time spent on figures, skaters could have been doing cross training to prevent injuries, or getting physical therapy, or just had more time to pursue some interests outside of skating. The expense of figures and the time needed to train them just cut out opportunities for really talented free skaters who came from poorer backgrounds, or even middle class backgrounds with parents who weren't willing to sacrifice everything so their children could become competitive skaters, to have the opportunity or incentive to rise through the competitive ranks. Competitive skating was expensive and elitist enough as it was, but figures just made that worse. As Brian Orser pointed out, figures were an open window for political bias. Computer judging of figures would be fairest, as in a computer (with cameras) analyzing the tracing for symmetry, number and severity of wobbles, flatting of the blade, and triple execution etc. I think the decline in the popularity of skating is not because we lack a Battle of the Brians or Carmens, but because the internet has opened up other interests and activities for people. The Olympics, in general, is not as exciting and special as it used to be. It's easy to access thousands of skating performances, dating back decades, on the Internet, whereas when I was young and we got three channels on the TV, even seeing skating on TV was a rare and special event. Anyway, Brian is really articulate and I remember how disappointed I was when I thought he should have won gold in the 1984 Olympics.
What an awesome interview! Brian took the time to think about his answers. I really liked that. A little hard to hear him at times as he is soft-spoken. I don't agree with him about the ISU scoring system though. Think it rewards the technical at expense of artistry. Agree with him that by eliminating school figures that the sport has lost something basic. Totally agreed with him about not enough punishment for corrupt judges. He was hesitant and declined to name names in this area. I like him. Also, incredibly handsome! Thank you for posting this.
Judges need to be accountable and prepared for each assignment they get! But many are there for the frequent flyer points! What an imbalance of power and responsibility.
Orser's loss at the '88 Olympics was NOT about just one jump. He needs to tell himself that to reconcile losing the gold. Not only did he fall out of the triple flip, he doubled his second triple axel and had a hard two-foot landing on his last triple, not to mention much inferior choreography to Boitano's more sophisticated program. In contrast, Boitano did two triple axels, two triple flips, and a triple-triple combination, all of which Orser didn't do. Boitano crushed Orser's performance, and their scores should NEVER have been just 0.1 apart. It's funny to hear Orser talk about "politics" being involved in competitions, because there was a LOT of it involved in Calgary. In a video on YT titled: Brian Boitano (2016) Interview, Boitano's coach, Linda Leaver, talks at the 17:10 mark about how 15 years after the '88 Olympics she and Brian were approached at a rink in Europe by a man who turned out to be the Russian judge on the men's LP panel at those Olympics. He told them the fix was in for Orser to win that night no matter how he skated. He was to be the "hometown hero", and his gold medal victory skating on home ice was to be the feel-good story of those Olympics. Orser has no idea how right he is when he says it was all "scripted". The Russian man told Linda that after seeing Boitano's amazing skate, he couldn't go along with the plan and HAD to vote his conscience. It was his score that put Boitano barely over the top and gave him his rightful gold. As a consequence, the Russian man said he was fired by the Russian skating federation. True story. Of course, Orser had no knowledge of any of that, but it just goes to show how corrupt these skating federations are, and how much wheeling and dealing went on with the Eastern Bloc judges back then. The COP isn't perfect, but I'm SO glad the 6.0 system is gone forever.
Don't blame just the Eastern bloc countries. Canada was involved and they have a history of crying foul about their athletes not getting the medal they thought were supposed to get.
@@beeharbour Certainly. The Canadian skating federation set the whole thing up in the background. Things like this can't happen without certain skating federations getting together and "working it out". I firmly believe the phenomenon known as "Chanflation" where Canada's Patrick Chan won repeatedly over the years for seriously flawed performances was orchestrated by the Canadian skating federation to set him up for Olympic gold in 2014 because, as most people know, Canada obsesses about never having won a men's Olympic gold medal in figure skating. They tried to manipulate the process with Orser and also with Patrick Chan. One of the best examples of Canada's meddling with the judges is the men's LP at the 2013 World Championships. Patrick Chan missed four jumps, fell twice, downgraded several jumps and had wonky landings, and STILL won. That title belonged to Denis Ten who was terrific, but there was no way the Canadian skating federation was going to let Patrick Chan lose the World title right before the 2014 Olympics and not have that momentum going in as the favorite for gold. In fact, only one of Patrick Chan's three world titles (2011) wasn't controversial. Many believe the 2012 title belonged to Daisuke Takahashi. That's just one example, but you are correct; the Canadian skating federation is quite corrupt. That's why many have said for years that the ISU needs to stop allowing the national skating federations to choose their own judges. The judges need to be appointed by an independent agency separate from the skating federations. Until that happens, there will always be certain questionable victories.
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What an interesting interview. Particularly his thoughts on the importance of consistency as a skating competitor and his take on how judges should FEEL and prepare.
I agree!
He's so wonderful
He is. He deserves better than TSL rehashing the Battle of the Brians for the gazillionth time anyone has ever done it and for the gazillionth time saying "it shouldn't have been that close," as if his skating utterly sucked when compared to the brilliance of Boitano. It didn't. The outcome was fair, but it was a closely fought competition and rehashing it over and over and saying he was overmarked is an insult to him. Maybe someday he'll get his due for the incredible gifts he has given to skating as a competitor, show skater and producer, and coach. And even a reporter and TV commentator (although he was probably disrespected in that role more than any other). And it's so great that he turned out to play such a huge role in where skating went in those next 5-10 years after this interview. Which is something he probably never imagined. But "never say never"! And yes..."When you see a winner with a coach (in the K&C), that's a class act"! Well said, Brian. You are that class act now.
TruWatcher you completely misinterpreted that comment. It had to do with the difference in technical content on that night and had nothing to do with anyone sucking. They both skated fantastic programs and I awarded both great marks.
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Very interesting and informative video, thank you. The most interesting thing for me that he tells that somebody has to talk to ISU, but nobody will listen anyway
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I'm american and Orser was always my Favorite male skater. Great career!
Assuming that some skaters coming up these days lack something because they didn't train figures when they were young, like not knowing how to do a rocker or not having good edges, how does that account for Alena Kostornaia, who has some of the best edges ever seen, and an extreme high quality of general skating, yet she didn't do figures? Also, even in the old days, many pair skaters and ice dancers dropped figures at an early age and yet routinely developed into the equal or better of singles skaters in basic skating skills.
I contend that for every competitive skater who lacks something because they didn't do enough figures, there are twice as many who gain something by not having done figures. For one thing, in crowded rinks, figures ate up a lot of ice time, and they were expensive to train, in terms of needing separate equipment and to pay a coach to spend time on them, as well as pay for the ice time to do them.
Top skaters who struggled with figures would sometimes train them for twice as many hours in a day than they did free skating. With that time spent on figures, skaters could have been doing cross training to prevent injuries, or getting physical therapy, or just had more time to pursue some interests outside of skating.
The expense of figures and the time needed to train them just cut out opportunities for really talented free skaters who came from poorer backgrounds, or even middle class backgrounds with parents who weren't willing to sacrifice everything so their children could become competitive skaters, to have the opportunity or incentive to rise through the competitive ranks. Competitive skating was expensive and elitist enough as it was, but figures just made that worse.
As Brian Orser pointed out, figures were an open window for political bias. Computer judging of figures would be fairest, as in a computer (with cameras) analyzing the tracing for symmetry, number and severity of wobbles, flatting of the blade, and triple execution etc.
I think the decline in the popularity of skating is not because we lack a Battle of the Brians or Carmens, but because the internet has opened up other interests and activities for people. The Olympics, in general, is not as exciting and special as it used to be. It's easy to access thousands of skating performances, dating back decades, on the Internet, whereas when I was young and we got three channels on the TV, even seeing skating on TV was a rare and special event. Anyway, Brian is really articulate and I remember how disappointed I was when I thought he should have won gold in the 1984 Olympics.
What an awesome interview! Brian took the time to think about his answers. I really liked that. A little hard to hear him at times as he is soft-spoken. I don't agree with him about the ISU scoring system though. Think it rewards the technical at expense of artistry. Agree with him that by eliminating school figures that the sport has lost something basic. Totally agreed with him about not enough punishment for corrupt judges. He was hesitant and declined to name names in this area. I like him. Also, incredibly handsome! Thank you for posting this.
I watched that Olympics in 1988, and to me you won the gold!
Nathan Chen and Yuzu really taught me how the new system works and how they can build a program piece by piece.
Thanks for this gift! You posed some great questions.
They did a great job!
I like the new system. The creativity and talent can be separated between the real talent and the just average talent.
He was a great skater and the best coach ever!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Judges need to be accountable and prepared for each assignment they get! But many are there for the frequent flyer points! What an imbalance of power and responsibility.
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Judges must, in my opinion be fair, look at promoting the sport and recognize true talent
It is on its way back Brian.
Orser's loss at the '88 Olympics was NOT about just one jump. He needs to tell himself that to reconcile losing the gold. Not only did he fall out of the triple flip, he doubled his second triple axel and had a hard two-foot landing on his last triple, not to mention much inferior choreography to Boitano's more sophisticated program.
In contrast, Boitano did two triple axels, two triple flips, and a triple-triple combination, all of which Orser didn't do. Boitano crushed Orser's performance, and their scores should NEVER have been just 0.1 apart.
It's funny to hear Orser talk about "politics" being involved in competitions, because there was a LOT of it involved in Calgary. In a video on YT titled: Brian Boitano (2016) Interview, Boitano's coach, Linda Leaver, talks at the 17:10 mark about how 15 years after the '88 Olympics she and Brian were approached at a rink in Europe by a man who turned out to be the Russian judge on the men's LP panel at those Olympics. He told them the fix was in for Orser to win that night no matter how he skated. He was to be the "hometown hero", and his gold medal victory skating on home ice was to be the feel-good story of those Olympics. Orser has no idea how right he is when he says it was all "scripted".
The Russian man told Linda that after seeing Boitano's amazing skate, he couldn't go along with the plan and HAD to vote his conscience. It was his score that put Boitano barely over the top and gave him his rightful gold. As a consequence, the Russian man said he was fired by the Russian skating federation. True story.
Of course, Orser had no knowledge of any of that, but it just goes to show how corrupt these skating federations are, and how much wheeling and dealing went on with the Eastern Bloc judges back then. The COP isn't perfect, but I'm SO glad the 6.0 system is gone forever.
Don't blame just the Eastern bloc countries. Canada was involved and they have a history of crying foul about their athletes not getting the medal they thought were supposed to get.
@@beeharbour Certainly. The Canadian skating federation set the whole thing up in the background. Things like this can't happen without certain skating federations getting together and "working it out".
I firmly believe the phenomenon known as "Chanflation" where Canada's Patrick Chan won repeatedly over the years for seriously flawed performances was orchestrated by the Canadian skating federation to set him up for Olympic gold in 2014 because, as most people know, Canada obsesses about never having won a men's Olympic gold medal in figure skating. They tried to manipulate the process with Orser and also with Patrick Chan.
One of the best examples of Canada's meddling with the judges is the men's LP at the 2013 World Championships. Patrick Chan missed four jumps, fell twice, downgraded several jumps and had wonky landings, and STILL won. That title belonged to Denis Ten who was terrific, but there was no way the Canadian skating federation was going to let Patrick Chan lose the World title right before the 2014 Olympics and not have that momentum going in as the favorite for gold. In fact, only one of Patrick Chan's three world titles (2011) wasn't controversial. Many believe the 2012 title belonged to Daisuke Takahashi.
That's just one example, but you are correct; the Canadian skating federation is quite corrupt. That's why many have said for years that the ISU needs to stop allowing the national skating federations to choose their own judges. The judges need to be appointed by an independent agency separate from the skating federations. Until that happens, there will always be certain questionable victories.
I wonder if You are "bitter" about the times Canada marked the best ones down and you up so you could win? Cuz I am.
God he seems bitter what a miserable man