1:14 You can practically feel the well of pent up frustration from the thousands of requests to translate Old Norse names and phrases into the anachronistic Elder Futhark
@Ruthanne D'Antuono It was well deserved and appropriate snarkiness. After being in some groups about Norse mythology, especially tattoos, on facebook you can easily see how many people make these requests. Even worse, how many people think that using Elder Futhark to write English is correct "translation", so for a person who prefers historical accuracy in these topics rather than some mumbo jambo I can fully understand his comments
If you surround yourself with people more ignorant than yourself you will learn nothing. If you surround yourself with people who know more than you do the world is in your hand.
Something you may not know: some of us veterans use that in place of other farewells. And the context we use it in is "(un)til (we meet again in) Valhalla." We just don't use the apostrophe in "' 'til ".
And Amercans started using it after they saw that decade old video of norwegians in Afghanistan. The one where the commander goes: Dere er jegerne. Det er dere som er rovdyret, taliban er nå byttet! Then he repeats: Til Valhall 3 times and the soldiers respond with hoorah each time
I just ordered your Poetic Edda translation, having thoroughly enjoyed Havamal. I'm also looking forward to your Prose Edda. Thank you for sharing this knowledge.
Thank-you for all the time you invest into this channel and public education, Dr. Crawford. I have watched most of your content and am truly fascinated by it. While I know you stress the different between your reconstructed pronunciation compared to modern Icelandic, I took some of the resources from your video on learning it to better get a handle on Nordic languages.
If we really are going to get into the nitty-gritty, I would add that another difference between Old Norse and modern Icelandic is that Icelandic tends to devoice its final -r's. Anyway, in Faroese, you can say til Valhallar but it's pretty archaic, so instead we would use til + accusative, so: til Valhøll.
Prof. Crawford, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thank you so much in laying to rest all the misconceptions about people of Scandinavia. I love watching your videos, just wonderful. BTW, I don't think ANYONE would question your knowledge of Old Norse!! I have nothing but respect for your work. Thank you again.
Hey Jackson, I am from Jordan and I live in PA since 4 years. The America that appears behind you is the America that I fell in love with as 5 years old through cartoon movies before even knowing what the heck is that country called. Living in hut there is in my dying to do list 😁 Bless you.
So glad I found this channel before getting my tattoos. If not I probably would have gotten elder futhark like everyone else with wrong spelling or even just in the English language with the EF alphabet
Because sometimes you just have to cut through the crap and set the record straight and call out: "Bring it!" This is a good service, because people who find themselves in some internet or local debate can solve it with one link to here. Thank you.
Confirmed - Gwynn Jones discusses the proper form of Valholl (assuming the umlaut) in his book on the vikings. It's nice to see some confirmation of that.
Stan Lee was a genius, if it wasn't for him we would never have these great characters like Thor and Odin. It's crazy how he invented an entire language that we know as Old Norse.
Everyone who is the least bit interested in Norse paganism or Vikings should watch this and learn once and for all that the younger Futhark was used during the viking era and that you do not write the same rune twice to mark long consonants. The weirdest thing I ever saw though, was someone using dotted runes with the elder Futhark. Personally I have the medieval, expanded younger Futhark for everyday use(goes well with modern Swedish) , such as letters to friends or notes but I use the younger Futhark from the viking era for more serious work. Thanks you so much for this video!
As a Scandinavian I appreciate this video. Its kinda cringe hearing or reading foreigners say old Norse names like Mjolnir(Mjölner) or in this case Valhalla
But that applies to Scandinavians as well, "Tor" isn't so much like "Þórr". A lot of Scandinavians also think Fenrir is Fenris because it's Fenris in the genitive case.
@@meginna8354 Ive never heard anyone in Scandinavia say fenris and Tor is pronounced different in different parts of Scandinavia. Its not like we have a population of 300.000 there are so many different dialects in Scandinavia so Tor is pronounced different depending if youre in the north, south, east etc. Odin/Oden for example
I some times wonder why some prepositions trigger seemingly odd noun cases. I would expect the accusative case for the target/destination of some action, not genitive.
"Valhalla" is not a modern Scandinavian word. Its an english word. In Danish it is "Valhal". The word Valhalla has sneaked into modern Scandinavia through the amazing Valhala cartoons and animated movie from the 1980'ties through, although it is still used very rarely.
Hey Mr.Crawford was wondering if you could mention the old norse word for graceful? Was thinking of that as a name for my cat, he isn't particularly graceful but it could still be a cool name.
You're probably thinking of Dr. Crawford's series on Grímnismál, where Óðinn goes through a list of halls (among many other things)-- most of them are associated with specific deities rather than something like professions, but he starts in stanza 4 ( th-cam.com/video/NU294bNbCR4/w-d-xo.html ) Most of the information re: halls is in stanzas 4-26, and that video only goes to stanza 5, but the rest of them should be in this playlist if YT doesn't auto-suggest the next one: th-cam.com/play/PLATNGYBQ-Tjp2rLtaIKzrMFcWGComaiVN.html
I always assumed people saying "til Valhalla" was just English and short for "Until Valhalla". I don't think I've personally seen anyone say it in an attempt to speak Old Norse.
Fé does typically stand for the sound of v, unless it's at the beginning of the word or doubled (th-cam.com/video/X7Z65582ex4/w-d-xo.html) -- in this case the "v" is at the beginning, so it uses the úr rune instead (th-cam.com/video/X7Z65582ex4/w-d-xo.html)
Hi Dr. Crawford, do you know if there is any intersections between the Norse Pantheon and the Baltic ones? Specifically Lithuanian? As far as I know, they were literally the last country to Christianize... And from what I know, there are some similar themes. Like Thor and Perkunas for thunder gods.
It is not very common. The prepositions "á/í milli" (between) and "til" (to) always take genitive, whereas "án" (without) can take genitive, accusative and dative. "(Fyrir) sakir" oftentimes takes genitive, but can also take accusative.
I guess you kiiinda could get "til Valhalla" in modern Norwegian if you assume the -a suffix is the definite feminine article, which would translate as "to the (feminine) val hall", but "hall" is masculine, making the correct form "til valhallen" - but since this is treated as a given name, not a kind of hall with the function of being a val hall, you don't use a definite suffix - the modern translation is "til Valhall". (And in some dialects, the -a suffix can denote plural, which will also obviously not work here)
Living in Uppland, I found your list of basic vocabulary odd. Surely stone, father, son, brother, mother, god & soul are the most common nouns you’ll encounter!
It still baffles me people are so obsessed with Valhalla. There are a plethora of interesting aspects of old norse. Just hope the alt right dosnt see this video.
1:14 You can practically feel the well of pent up frustration from the thousands of requests to translate Old Norse names and phrases into the anachronistic Elder Futhark
@Ruthanne D'Antuono It was well deserved and appropriate snarkiness. After being in some groups about Norse mythology, especially tattoos, on facebook you can easily see how many people make these requests. Even worse, how many people think that using Elder Futhark to write English is correct "translation", so for a person who prefers historical accuracy in these topics rather than some mumbo jambo I can fully understand his comments
I'm sure those who get requests for Kanji tattoos feel a similar frustration.
Well sure. I just want to find a blank box I can type English into and the Jackson Crawford box will give me the authentic viking version. :D
'A public service to get this over with...' - that's a great phrase, and useful in many contexts.
I've strayed into an area where people are so much smarter than me. I like it.
If you surround yourself with people more ignorant than yourself you will learn nothing. If you surround yourself with people who know more than you do the world is in your hand.
I live close to the kings mounds in Upsala and I appreciate the authentic background.
Something you may not know: some of us veterans use that in place of other farewells. And the context we use it in is "(un)til (we meet again in) Valhalla." We just don't use the apostrophe in "' 'til ".
Hoo Rah!
I think this is due to fconfusion of it iwth garbled translation
@@mareksicinski3726 I literally just saw a post on fb with a t-shirt that says "until valhalla". Lol
What's ironic, is when many soldiers say til Valhalla, but turn out to be Christian. 😏
And Amercans started using it after they saw that decade old video of norwegians in Afghanistan.
The one where the commander goes: Dere er jegerne. Det er dere som er rovdyret, taliban er nå byttet! Then he repeats: Til Valhall 3 times and the soldiers respond with hoorah each time
Great information! Valhalla gets used so often now, especially in military clothing etc ...it’s nice to know the true translation/spelling
Really? In which country? In what context?
I just ordered your Poetic Edda translation, having thoroughly enjoyed Havamal. I'm also looking forward to your Prose Edda. Thank you for sharing this knowledge.
Thank-you for all the time you invest into this channel and public education, Dr. Crawford.
I have watched most of your content and am truly fascinated by it. While I know you stress the different between your reconstructed pronunciation compared to modern Icelandic, I took some of the resources from your video on learning it to better get a handle on Nordic languages.
Noone in Norway today would use Valhalla. We all say Valhall. So modern norwegian would be: Til Valhall.
Samma på svenska, till Valhall.
Säger man Tor eller Thor i Norge?
I am fully norwegian and I say "Til valahalla" without the "r" in the end.
If we really are going to get into the nitty-gritty, I would add that another difference between Old Norse and modern Icelandic is that Icelandic tends to devoice its final -r's. Anyway, in Faroese, you can say til Valhallar but it's pretty archaic, so instead we would use til + accusative, so: til Valhøll.
Prof. Crawford, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thank you so much in laying to rest all the misconceptions about people of Scandinavia. I love watching your videos, just wonderful. BTW, I don't think ANYONE would question your knowledge of Old Norse!! I have nothing but respect for your work. Thank you again.
Jackson Crawford Thank you and have a bless day!
So glad you're involved in the new Assassin's Creed! :)
This tells me good things are coming with this game. The fact that they’re going out of their way to find actual experts on Norse history has me sold.
Hey Jackson, I am from Jordan and I live in PA since 4 years. The America that appears behind you is the America that I fell in love with as 5 years old through cartoon movies before even knowing what the heck is that country called. Living in hut there is in my dying to do list 😁 Bless you.
Thank you for your public service. Till Valhall!
Very good info to get the proper words for a tattoo...thanks.
Thank you for all you do. It means more than I can ever say.
So glad I found this channel before getting my tattoos. If not I probably would have gotten elder futhark like everyone else with wrong spelling or even just in the English language with the EF alphabet
+"...and i learned so much more on the way, and it was so fun..."
:D
So it's the correct spelling in futhark ? Why the elder futhark IS wrong i dont understand sorry i dont speak english very well😅
Because sometimes you just have to cut through the crap and set the record straight and call out: "Bring it!" This is a good service, because people who find themselves in some internet or local debate can solve it with one link to here. Thank you.
Always enlightening and educational. Thank you sir!
Very good. I get this in a random sequence
Love your videos. Thank you
Confirmed - Gwynn Jones discusses the proper form of Valholl (assuming the umlaut) in his book on the vikings. It's nice to see some confirmation of that.
Stan Lee was a genius, if it wasn't for him we would never have these great characters like Thor and Odin. It's crazy how he invented an entire language that we know as Old Norse.
Ikr, if Charlemagne didn’t commission him to inscribe those comics on scrolls the Vikings never would’ve existed.
Bruh i cant 👏 believe 👏 cardi B 👏 literally INVENTED 👏 Norse mythology 👏
You are a linguistic bad ass sir. Well done
Thank you Jackson for explaining the R, have been trying to figure that out for a long time,.,.
Great video and thank you for this. Would you have any good references for someone wanting to research and learn Younger Futhark?
Everyone who is the least bit interested in Norse paganism or Vikings should watch this and learn once and for all that the younger Futhark was used during the viking era and that you do not write the same rune twice to mark long consonants. The weirdest thing I ever saw though, was someone using dotted runes with the elder Futhark. Personally I have the medieval, expanded younger Futhark for everyday use(goes well with modern Swedish) , such as letters to friends or notes but I use the younger Futhark from the viking era for more serious work. Thanks you so much for this video!
As a Scandinavian I appreciate this video. Its kinda cringe hearing or reading foreigners say old Norse names like Mjolnir(Mjölner) or in this case Valhalla
i feel that pain too
But that applies to Scandinavians as well, "Tor" isn't so much like "Þórr". A lot of Scandinavians also think Fenrir is Fenris because it's Fenris in the genitive case.
@@meginna8354 where are you from
@@Lajosen Iceland
@@meginna8354 Ive never heard anyone in Scandinavia say fenris and Tor is pronounced different in different parts of Scandinavia. Its not like we have a population of 300.000 there are so many different dialects in Scandinavia so Tor is pronounced different depending if youre in the north, south, east etc. Odin/Oden for example
two simple words: thank you
I some times wonder why some prepositions trigger seemingly odd noun cases. I would expect the accusative case for the target/destination of some action, not genitive.
Thank you
"Valhalla" is not a modern Scandinavian word. Its an english word. In Danish it is "Valhal". The word Valhalla has sneaked into modern Scandinavia through the amazing Valhala cartoons and animated movie from the 1980'ties through, although it is still used very rarely.
Hey Mr.Crawford was wondering if you could mention the old norse word for graceful? Was thinking of that as a name for my cat, he isn't particularly graceful but it could still be a cool name.
Was there a hall for Crafters? i thought you had a video on it and i cant find it. If anyone knows the video please let me know!
You're probably thinking of Dr. Crawford's series on Grímnismál, where Óðinn goes through a list of halls (among many other things)-- most of them are associated with specific deities rather than something like professions, but he starts in stanza 4 ( th-cam.com/video/NU294bNbCR4/w-d-xo.html ) Most of the information re: halls is in stanzas 4-26, and that video only goes to stanza 5, but the rest of them should be in this playlist if YT doesn't auto-suggest the next one: th-cam.com/play/PLATNGYBQ-Tjp2rLtaIKzrMFcWGComaiVN.html
@@nkhtn663 I am going to check it out now thank you!
You can just hear the sass in this video. Thank you for making this
During the Danelaw in the 9th century, would the V be pronounced as a w? so Walholl?
I really like that shirt.
Can you make a video about elliteration and other beautiful literary techniques used in Old West Norse poetry, please? It would be lovely!
Sorry, I haven't seen this video... th-cam.com/video/K7TbN9LqaJw/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/j_wgXEfzG-A/w-d-xo.html
Good man
Bet you'll still have to link to this video readily bc people will ask you before googling haha
Sir, could you please recommend an old norse phrase to tattoo on my arms.
So, if I prefer Sessrumnir to Valhalla, what would be the runic version of "Till Sessrumnir"? 🤔
I always assumed people saying "til Valhalla" was just English and short for "Until Valhalla". I don't think I've personally seen anyone say it in an attempt to speak Old Norse.
So... the reconstructed proto-norse. Or romans time pronounciation we gan get from the spelling? "Til Ualhalaz?"
Can someone translate me into the runes of "Victory or Valhalla", but in old Norse, not just transcribed English into the runes
Im making a game that is named Til Valhall
I might have missed the memo, but how come valhallar starts with an ur instead of fe?
Fé does typically stand for the sound of v, unless it's at the beginning of the word or doubled (th-cam.com/video/X7Z65582ex4/w-d-xo.html) -- in this case the "v" is at the beginning, so it uses the úr rune instead (th-cam.com/video/X7Z65582ex4/w-d-xo.html)
@@nkhtn663 Oh thank you so much!
Hi Dr. Crawford, do you know if there is any intersections between the Norse Pantheon and the Baltic ones? Specifically Lithuanian? As far as I know, they were literally the last country to Christianize... And from what I know, there are some similar themes. Like Thor and Perkunas for thunder gods.
Looks like it was an inflected language like Anglo-Saxon, Ancient Greek and Latin.
Yes, they’ve all inherited their infexibility(!) from proto-Indo European
0:57 it's not Elder Futhark
so is it incorrect to say valhalla, or should you say valholl ?
Is it normal for the genitive case to follow a preposition in old norse?
It is not very common. The prepositions "á/í milli" (between) and "til" (to) always take genitive, whereas "án" (without) can take genitive, accusative and dative. "(Fyrir) sakir" oftentimes takes genitive, but can also take accusative.
Til valhallar
Hmm. About "Valhalla". Norse people called it "Valhǫll" that is singular. "Valhǫllar" is plural.But wasn't Valhǫll only once place?
Han förklarar 3:22. Det har inte med plural att göra.
@@Thulzor Du har rätt. Jag blandade ihop det. Valhǫll är ackusativ och Valhǫllar är genitiv. Kasus är något vi inte i svenskan använder längre.
@@jangrondahl9512 Actually would be Valhallir in plural. Valhallar is the genetive singlular.
So, you're saying if I get a tattoo of this translation my Norse ancestors won't laugh at me when I go to meet them after my inevitable bloody death?
As long as it’s super bloody, you’ll be great!
I guess you kiiinda could get "til Valhalla" in modern Norwegian if you assume the -a suffix is the definite feminine article, which would translate as "to the (feminine) val hall", but "hall" is masculine, making the correct form "til valhallen" - but since this is treated as a given name, not a kind of hall with the function of being a val hall, you don't use a definite suffix - the modern translation is "til Valhall". (And in some dialects, the -a suffix can denote plural, which will also obviously not work here)
1:11 not quite tl, it is a lateral consonant sound
"Til Valhalla" is how you'd say it in Danish
Hello so if i wanted to write valhalla in runes it would look like this ? ( ᚹᚨᛚᚺᚨᛚᛚᚨ ) . Thank you for reply :D
Living in Uppland, I found your list of basic vocabulary odd. Surely stone, father, son, brother, mother, god & soul are the most common nouns you’ll encounter!
It still baffles me people are so obsessed with Valhalla. There are a plethora of interesting aspects of old norse. Just hope the alt right dosnt see this video.
till Valhall på svenska
Jepp. På norsk også. Tror ganske sikkert danskene ikke legger på noe ‘a’ på slutten, heller.
@@binker__nor9907 Du er korrekt, det er også Valhal (kan være med enten et eller to l'er til sidst) på dansk.
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