Thunderer Doesn't Belong In The Game | Before 10.0 Buff
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ม.ค. 2021
- Thunderer is too powerful. It doesn't care about range, angle, or ship class. It simply deals massive damage that you can't do anything about. There is no counter-play other than running away. I really think this ship doesn't belong in the game. It's not as bad as CV's but its really bad.
This was all done before the ship got buffed in 10.0. I think we can all agree that long range hyper accurate HE spam is not very healthy for the game.
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PQ: "A ship that requires no skill to play is bad to the game!"
WG: "We heard you loud and clear. Here's a new dead eye 'skill' to make said ship requires even less game skill!"
Dead eye is the best skill. BBs are finally pinpoint accurate.
@ANUBHAV SHARMA ohhh,its just one thunderer shell what could it do to me??turns out there is all 8 of them in one pixel...
Game not worth playing in 10.0
Hope they fix - giving it a couple weeks
@@mikesavage6420 try 2 years and still waiting 😅
I think the wording on Deadeye needs to change. Rather than having it active if enemies are outside your detection range. Have it active when enemies are within your detection range.
"Thunderer is a CV not a Battleship" that is GOLD
I can’t express how much I can relate to the pain I hear in your voice. This game is one of my all time favorites and I’m watching it slowly turn into the mess that it is now. It’s sad.
I share this pain 😔 this game has been my escape from daily struggles for the last couple of years. This feels like they're slowly killing a friend
Agree with your comment.. after 5 years I get rewarded with having to spend hours and hours testing and trying to rework my captain skills..
Same for me. I love to read about historic navy ships and battles and the game made me really feel happy when i came in 3 years ago. But it turns more and more into a fiction. And all the positional & tactical gameplay (i like cruisers & DDs) seems to me more and more eliminated
5 years of trying to master Destroyers but in the end I'm pushed to adapt to play battleships. Its even more sad to see a lot of people share the same feelings towards this mess of a game that I once loved playing.
Wot players: first time?
Imagine thinking removing a ship from sale is a valid form of balancing
in fact it make shit worse. Because those who own it basically have clear advantage over those that will never get it. Like with Smolensk which despite nerf in 10.0 still going strong.
@@Mario-kf3ej Smolensk says hello
Not for those, that have it. And there are tons of people, who've gotten Thunderer.
@@Mario-kf3ej I wonder how much longer Smol will be relevant though? Italian BB’s could delete it from existence and smoke up if Smol targets them. Seems like a fairly hard counter with SAP.
Thunderer has no business having such good HE. You already have the super short reload, BATTLE FREAKING CRUISER dispersion on hyper accurate 457s, decent AA (though that doesn’t really matter), pretty good firing angles, an improved heal (albeit not a super heal but better than standard) and very good range stock. The fact that WG looked at this and figured it still needed HE that can do 20k+ alpha with 3 fires against an angled BB from 20km away blows my mind. Then again this is the same company that thinks CVs are healthy for the game so I wouldn’t put much past them at this point.
The heal that Thunderer has is what I call the Warspite heal. It's better than most, but it isn't the drydock heal.
And I agree wholeheartedly. This ship is stupid broken AF. If they nerfed the HE and concealment it would STILL be a very good ship due to range, dispersion, and maneuvering. If they nerfed 3/5 of the things it would STILL be a good ship.
me: *Looks at Smolensk*
If i saw a Smol, Thun, and CV in the same match, all on the enemy team.... i think i'd just leave the match... honestly, I don't mind HE, but it's so damn excessive with those types of ships.
I specifically love the US cruiser HE because of it's very low chance to start fires, but still hit at average damage. it's fun, and requires me to maneuver in a way where i'm both effective and non-effective at the same time.
Thunderer...? "Oh, let me just set a double fire on this DCP'd BB, and then switch to this DD in open water... and destroy it, then hit the closest cruiser, set a couple fires and do moderate damage. That BB is no longer on fire? well, here's more fire."
hey just wait for the subs to come in the game. I just don't know what will gonna happen but I think it will be more cancer for sure lol.
it has better dispersion than battle Cruisers, a battle Cruiser cannot hit all of their fired shell at another kiting cruiser like that
One time with one salvo i did 4 fires with my thunderer... poor montana😅😅
PQ just casually matches my all time high that took me 4 years to get, that i did in a conq with 19 fires by the way lol
I have my dmg record with the Conq too. Love that ship, it's so relaxing and rewarding to play.
If you consider damage as a reward in this game. Your get rewarded most of the time but rarely have fun. What does that remind you? Work...... Exactly
I remember using the conq and getting 36 fires in 1 game, I used HE only to see what would happen. I wasn't disappointed.
The skill gap is the problem, not the ships. Unicums will never agree, because they would lose half of the fish outta their shooting barrel, if you catch my drift...
with concueror? xD i was playing T4 orion and i get x21 fires even in T4 dont need to be sceared fo ben torped from no where xD i set 1 BB witn only 2 shells and i get 3x fires instantly XD what concueror what thunderer even with T4 ship you will get x19-21 fires just shooting HE everywhere
I have to say, I've been having a lot of fun at tier 10 in my shima; if we can get a hole in a flank I can slip through and ruin the lives of all those thunderers. I have devoted my shima gameplay to relentlessly bullying them.
Same here. Torp ninja!
Having a blast in my max torp build Halland too. Stupid fast fishes, awesome AA, and the legendary captain torps reload proc stupidly easy. I love hunting down those fkers, torps damage = no more heal baby.
This reminds me of how the main problem with Conqueror (pre-nerf at least) was that torps were the ONLY way to counter those fuckers. But good luck getting to one when they always hang at the back of the map and never move up until either they're coming in to feast on the remains, or if their buddies are all dead!
PotatoQuality:
I don't get it, does WG hate brawling?
Do they hate pushing in?
Do they want this game to be a snipe fest?...
Me:
*Looks at commander rework...
Yep
I think they just don't care
No, they hate skill ... They want a casual game for glue eaters to enjoy ...
@@somebody700 There's only so much frustration one can endure though. This is a game, not an obligation. When it stops being fun people won't keep pushing themselves into doing it repeatedly, no. People will just uninstall and move on to an infinity plethora of more fun games. When Wargaming finally settles this Captain Rework into a far-from-balanced-but-playable state, they will then add subs. So they keep the trend of making unnecessary changes/adding new content to World of Warships that started with the CV rework TWO years ago. This game peaked in 2018, it's been going downhill since then and there's no indication it will stop descending. Seems like the people in charge at Wargaming were introduced to meth in 2018 and have been using too much since then.
Sad but submarines are going to kill brawling anyway.
It should be introduced a mechanic that at max range the probability of fire is for example 50% of the 63% (stock Thunderer) witch will be 31,5% fire chance. And proportionally increasing the fire chance til 100% at standard detectability range. So the further away is your target, the less HE fire chance will be. At the same time dead eye should be removed.
Here is how I would change HE, remove the fire chance from none penetrating shells and make the superstructure a part that takes less damage in general.
Yeah, do the whole damage saturation on superstructure.
That would nerf other ships more then Tunderer. Most DDs and cruisers would be unplayable.
@@tobiastime4066 you mean Smolensk?
@@tobiastime4066 Stop making those stupid excuses, HE is already too powerful.
fool....don't you know WG always do the opposite?u should ask to make 200% fire chance and 300mm armor penetration since WG always do the opposite
I agree with you on every point you make about the Thunderer. I also have the Thunderer and i even feel dirty playing it in co-op when i was needing fires and cits for one of the missions for the Hizen dockyard and like you said the main problem with the Thunderer is the insane HE that allows you to rack up massive damage without having to worry about angle or armor.
True! Cits and fires? Thunderer! Sometimes both with the same salvo...
This has been the Conqueror's meta for years.
@@mbignell1 I had a co-op game where i fired a full HE salvo at a Smolensk and got 2 HE cits and nuked the bot Smolensk into the next map.
Problem isn't with the ship. It's the skill gap, and the way WG handles it. Or doesn't, as the case has been for 5 years now...
When I talk about Thunderer being a problem while in Thunderer I get called a Hypocrite. When Potato Quality does the same he's praised. Never change Internet.
I play this ship when WG makes stupid mission like 120 fires in BB.
"Nobody plays 457mm Conqueror, what should we do?"
"Turn it into Thanos. And give it the Chaos Emeralds."
As a counter argument, I just brawled a Thunderer with a Bismarck at a health disadvantage AND with his buddies shooting at me. It wasn't my secondaries that killed him, it was my knowledge of angling and how to brawl. He almost clapped me, but I finished him off with a quadruple citadel. Had 1000 hp remaining. I DO HOWEVER understand that Thunderer is too easy to play, too overpowered.
You know that there are some really bad players who can acquire a thunderer. Not saying you didn’t do good but if it was PQ playing that thunderer, you were doomed.
@@loic8669 oh I know. But regardless, Thunderer is a ship you don't wanna tussle with due its big guns and decent RoF.
Reason you can't understand it is because you are thinking about its place in the game balance rather than its place in the games earnings.
While the thunderer is free, it smolensk and FDR have all been reward ships that take grinding to work towards. They take time to get and by being so powerful encourage people to grind. That way people are more likely to buy premiums cause they are playing, premium time etc. Then they announce their removal. People get worked up and obsessively try to get them. This was smolensk a year ago and thunderer now, at this point you see peak population.
But they can't stay overpowered forever. Because it they stay at this state then people won't want the next release. So they start say changing ifhe. Or the captain skills change and look smolensk doesnt have aft. Its all strategic to take them out while reworking other things. Having then taken them out there then goes a period of a ship just having been released that flies under the radar for a bit until it gets noticed as being so powerful. And so people grind again.
Release of powerful easier to use ships is all strategic to encourage people to grind with FOMO
Yes. It’s wargaming marketing framework you just describe and that why I hate the company.
It was op before. But with 10.0 it is straight insane.
what happened with 10.0. Sorry I havent played since last summer
@@harsh71117 idk
How many other ships are exactly the same? But my opinion doesn't count since I'm not a unicom player.
It's the skill gap, not the ships themselves, that is the problem. That and WG's refusal to base MM on skill.
"Core players" are not whales, and whales are what makes this pos continue to float as long as they keep turning away players that want a game based on skill, not rng and 'what did daddy buy you today".
Thunderer and Yoshino are hilarious now, Thunderer doing 10k salvos and setting 3 fires on Kremlins...i love it
Yoshino ... is garbage now. Idk how you think it was buffed at all. With all 457mm + guns with Deadeye Yoshino will get HIT and OVERMATCHED at any distance.
And while I agree on Thunderer , then your example I don't ... Kremlin can fucking burn in hell , it is as OP if not more in many scenarios. At least you can kill Thunderer because it doesnt have idiot proof armor.
@@Mario-kf3ej just hang back in the Yoshino, there will be juicer targets for the BBs to shoot at, the Kremlin just doesn't die but now i can make it's life a nightmare in either ship, good for the game? Not really. Fun and engaging? Not really
I've deleted many a Yoshino in my Kremlin, but against Thunderer it's just overpen/ricochet/shatter/torpedo protection
@@mercantile1803 i've seen enough broadsiding Yoshinos to know that happens often, going dark, finding cover, using throttle and the movement keys can often make long range attempts soon stop, i've also seen many kremlin run into Yoshino torps
@@Mario-kf3ej i don't have YOSHI yet but I have AZUMA.. the little nerfed sister without torps. In many games with her I rarely finish with less than 100k and 5-10 fires started everywhere. Sincerely.. maybe one time I eat a citadel hit that broke my game rhythm and never one dev strike.
The ship you hate is the one I want to have. If Santa mega container in this year doesn't give me this ship, that would be highly disappointing
im 50k coal short? Any way to get that before it goes away?
I've been using AP most of the time on my Thunderer, thanks for helping me realize I've been doing it all wrong!
Same for me. I was suprised how my well above 100k average damage in Thunderer isn't unicum. Then I tried a full HE game.
I don't play that ship any more.
Honestly I still use AP most of the time and HE only if the enemy is well angled but once I set fires that stick I will swap back to AP. Honestly, feels a lot more fun than simply playing Thunderer as a 50000-60000 ton HE cruiser
AP? I stopped using that as the main ammo on Thunderer when I had it bounce off the superstructure of a Yamato at 10km.
Not the upper belt. The *superstructure*.
@@garethfairclough8715 That's just impossible.
Other than the smokestack and a couple of lesser structures, the Yammy's superstructure is 19mm thick, so AP from the Thunderer will overmatch it.
However, it's a very small superstructure, and you probably just hit the deck instead.
@@landochabod7 Dude, it happens in this game ALL the time. You didn't actually think this game's mechanics were actually RELIABLE, did you?
I played in a game yesterday where there were 6 Thunderers, one mine! That certainly makes it more even!
The only fun moment I can remember since the patch went live was when I got 3 citadels on a Thunderer in my Yamato. Yamato is fucking broken with Dead Eye but deleting a cancerous Thunderer player felt so good. Hiding didn't save him, HE didn't save him. Made him wait 10 mins to play his broken ship again.
Yamato is the cure
I’m at 174 coal and I’m wondering if I should get thunderer or Georgia. I already have massa and I love it but I feel like the thunderer is too good to pass up. Any opinion would be great
If you like the Massa, get Georgia, Thunderer is boring to play, has no balls to get into the fight, I have it, but dislike playing it, because I can't sit back and farm HE, I prefer going in with AP, but then everyone focuses you, because they all hate the Thunderer. 😁
everyones so far back rn, shimas 20km torps are finally useful
@Coffee Fueled Curmudgeon i swer i played this game since beta and loved it ever since, but the cv and captain rework make it unbearable
Hey potato quality, I am wondering what you think the best pushing battleship is in the game right now. So when the thunderers die down, and for ranked, because I still think pushing in battleships is better than damage farming for ranked.
So what is your build with the new captain skills then ?
8:18 What if Im not interested in playing this ship? Its overpowered, but as you said, not fun. So is it _still_ worth it?
I have HMS Thunderer.
It took me quite a while to save up the quarter of a million coal to eventually get her.
I don't actually play her that often as I feel kinda guilty melting any ship I like from 23 km away.
I do actually switch shell type depending on target and opportunity but it is easy to sail slowly around spitting out hellfire from the other side of the map.
The devastation a Thunderer can dish out is horrendous and it is a nasty experience to be on the receiving end of it.
My favourite Royal Navy Battleship in my collection is HMS Vanguard and she's lovely.
You actually have to use manouever, speed variation and her stealth to get the job done and she has the rudder and engine to do this which is great.
Her 15in guns can dish out the hurt as well and I do actually prefer her , Bismarck, and the USS Georgia to the Thunderer as you have to vary your play and tactics from battle to battle but with HMS Thunderer.......not so much.
HMS Thunder is beautiful and horrible at the same time.
Beautiful because she's actually a very good ship, horrible because you know what you are doing to your opponent.
Here comes the 'but'.......
........ but , Smolensk.
;-)
You can get the same level of accuracy from other ships. Using the heavy AP or HE rounds, same effect. I got that with the JB earlier today. Got my Vanguard down to 12.6km detectability, and started 8 fires. Is that too strong too?
i kinda love the HE in the King george, crappy range, but good fires.. its that wrong?
I totally agree, and one of my favourite things to see is when I manage to catch a Thunderer inside the secondary range of my Pommern/FDG/GK and watch as my secondaries eat it alive.
To quote you from the cv vid.
Potato: "I like it because I am good at it"
I like thunderer AP but as a ship I like conq more due to the superheal which alows a more agressive gameplay with objectives.
complety agree with you. When I am in my GK (before rework), the first thing I was looking in the MM was if there is a thunder and AFTER i was looking for DDs. As always, there was always a thunder and the first salvo from her was a fire or 2. I don't even play the game since the rewok. I feel complety disapointed by this rework.
It isnt that bad for german BBs, they are even stronger than before the rework in my opinion
It is a premium ship. It will never be directly nerfed. There are too many legal issues WG would have to deal with by nerfing it.
Seeing what this thing does, can u imagine whats gonna happen to the game when WeeGee adds in Italian BBs
"It ain't worth playing tier X man." This did not age well. 😅
Hey, I want to ask: what is your favorite tier x battleship (like montana, yamato, bourgogne, etc) I love the vids and I learned how to play this game because of you :D
Whats the shipangel mod name?
I love the ingame chat at around 11:16......and the responce at 11:30.
Is Thunderer just unnerfed Conqueror without drydock?
With gk I start burn before I have it on full speed and feels bad when most ships out range it
Potato Quality: I used the Thunderer to destroy the Thunderer...
Your hatred for the Thunderer, I have the same for cv's. Another great review as always!!
Love this bote! Just got it before being removed with coal and a little bit of steel. Definitely worth it.
i feel you
I personally don't think Thunderer is extremely overpowered. It's honestly not that different than the half dozen or so Cruisers which can HE spam you much harder than a Thunderer. Which make playing BBs harder because they can sit back and spam you with impunity.
The difference with thunderer though is that it has more range and deals more damage, great accuracy even at extreme ranges. I'm by no means a thunderer hater since it's my only battleship (as a DD main) but I just feel bad for enemy yamatos as they burn and eat 7-12k volleys and only do a couple thousand DMG to me as I angle to them.
got it when it 1st came out was a lota fun.not played for a while went to AW.will come back at some point.
PQ: this was a rant
Me: well, in a Canadian way, maybe. just maybe
Bro try gulio cesare that ship really beast with dead eye and scharnhost become like stalingrad dispersion now
So PQ, what's your Cap'n skills for this thing?
I'm just having fun playing Błyskawica with full gunboat Jerzy and that hilarious adrenaline rush. T7 doesn't get the best mm, but some ships have been brought to light with the patch.
Why don't you show your captain skills build?
This video is the best promotion to get a Thunder. I've been saving my coal to get it. thx
Your videos hit the nail of the head when comes to talking about cancerous, blatantly overpowered ships like the Thunderer. How this video can even have 94 dislikes is beyond me.
I was starting to think I was losing my mind. Thank you so much for this. Another one of those problems that I thought I was the only one who could see a problem with this. If one ship or two ships can change the meta, the ship is overpowered. End of story. A group of players in a game should not have to change their entire playstyle because of one ship.
@potato_quality what do you think about the nerf on the Thunderer? 24.3km ------> 23km fire range....
I've been guilty of playing this ship often, and what you said is exactly why. It doesn't need too much brainpower. I do try to catch broadsides with the AP actively, but slinging HE across the match is a sure -fire go-to response if there's no target in sight. Most ships don't have the luxury of having ALL their salvos counted - except CVs and Thunderers. So your CV comment was spot-on as well!
I actually thought Thunderer would be a tier 10 Warspite and that’s why I got it. I was VERY disappointed to find that it wasn’t spectacular with AP. Because an accurate AP ship was right up my alley but now I guess it’s Yamato and Slava that’ll fill that role.
PQ: The HE is mainly due to being a Royal Navy ship. The HE is just their main thing of the nation: weak AP, highly penetrating HE with a larger chance of setting fires.
Although the AP tears through armor at -15km too.
The dispersion on the ship however is beyond belief. That and the concealment could be nerfed as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps the rudder shift too as that too is something insane for a ship of her size...
This is what I've decided to do from now on when I play tier ten BB's, just play thunder and focus other Thunders and Conqs.
That's why I only play Conq, it's almost Thunderer proof
@@andreid7277 It still makes you blow heals though.
@@BIackCadillac But still does better than any BB would. I had a game today where I was the only BB remaining on a flank with 2 almost full HP Thunderes. I managed to sink one and make the other run away and escape with around 8k hp. In 3 mind I was back at 70k hp.
U can't kill decent conq with he spam. U will need more than 20 minutes.
WG's decision really made no sense, it's as if they're purposely trying to piss their core-players off.
They are. Core players aren't whales.
It would have made sense if they didn't nerf secondaries. So it helps battleships like Yamato who struggle pushing, and secondaries are better so non sniping battleships don't take deadeye.
@@JohannesDichtmann Those paying noobs need to go? Oh yes they really should
how bad is it now in 10.0?
In my experience not that much actually. It was already accurate so deadeye doesn't really make it that much worse, and on SEA you see 4 of these things per side very regularly
However, Yamato with deadeye can now chunk the 32 on this and conq a lot more reliably
Love your vids PQ. More DD play please
The sad thing is, for whatever reason, I'm far more inaccurate with the Thunderer than I am with other BB's. Just can't hit. But completely agree.
It's you. Guns are deadly accurate. Maybe you have a different flight time default in mind when lining up your shots?
That just likely means your aim is bad
I had the same thing once I started with thunderer. For me the only reason why I was hitting more with other ships was because the worse dispersion made it more likely hit with some of the shells atleast.
This is probably because u are not aiming well. The better ship accuracy is, the more it depends on your aiming.
A good change would be to give the superstructure it's own hp separately from the hull's hp this way spamming superstructure or fires won't continuously take the whole ship's hp. This would be a change in the right direction. Once superstructure is destroyed it won't provide anymore dmg so that the hull armor actually matters.
My biggest issue with this ship is that this ship is in literally almost every single random match I play, since Thunderer was a ship available for coal and not steel, which meant literally everyone and their mother could get it and did. on top of the fact for some reason. Despite having the same number of guns and the same caliber of guns as the Ohio, a ship available for research points not coal, the Thunderer gets to reload 1.5 seconds faster than her, the Thunderer’s concealment is a whole 2.1km’s better than Ohio, and she gets broken HE to hard counter angled targets, as well as her very own dispersion table as if she even needs that to begin with. Majority of the community overshadowed this ship, calling it balanced, meanwhile calling Slava a broken ship despite her being uncharacteristically weak against even angled targets.
And this is all BEFORE the thunderer buff lmao
that massachusetts it's like me all the games trying to grind my amalfi against tx
Had a game yesterday with my Bismarck with 8 point captain. I pushed and wrecked the enemy team (130K), but I was burned down. I pushed because I saw our 3 full HP tier 7 BB's also push. After I died, those tier 7 BB's were 15 Km's away from the enemy team and running away...The were afraid, their Deadeye deactivated so they turned tail.
You can do the same with an Azuma, built on range and shot HE at all ships your guns are pointing at.
Best targets: BB going backwards and when they are more than the 22.1km away you take the spotter plane and extent to 26.6km.
With the improved engine module and the faster rudder shift you can dogde lots of shells that are coming from more than 20km away.
I think it is OK in general to have such ships in the game but WG should redo their matchmaker to prevent things like having 3 Thunderer and HE spamming cruisers on the match or Team Green has no ships with radar and Team Red got 3 radar crusiers and a DD with radar.
I agree with you potato and i would like to add something more to the ban pile: the mods you are using! Sure you can say that everyone can use them, but I think they give an advantage to the user vs the people that dont use them.
These mods are available to all, if you choose not to use them you cannot call foul.
🤔
Yup! Even when you face against another thunderer, like I did couple of days ago, my opponent went to a full blown rant in chat hahaha. God bless DES... dead eye syndrome... lul
I have dev-struck full HP broadside Minotaurs with HE in the Thunderer. Maybe you could do that with any BB... But that seems like an issue to me.
Laughs in illnois………
-15k to 10k Dmg
-Every well-aimed salvo comes with at least 2 fires (or RNGesus blesses you)
-That shit happens every 22s
-Ridiculous concealment
-Tokio-Drift Rudder-shift (actually rhymes)
-I don't really count its bad armor as a real weakness since everybody stays in the back of the map using its rudder-shift and being an annoying pain in the ass to hit.
-Good enough AA to scare away CVs
That is my point of view. In my opinion, it is either nerf the fire chance, the HE Alpha or its ROF. I don't need to be struck by a 20k Salve and burn 2x (at least) every 22s. Although with its reload you would have to nerf the HE really hard. And even it's AP would still be a problem for most of the ships facing it.
Truth!! I hate seeing this ship when I'm in my Massachusetts, means no brawling
I've been getting throttled in these past few days and the thunderer is usually there
Nerfing premiums is a whole can of worms... I think WG won't go that way, because they tried it with Giulio Cesare and it didn't work out.
That being said, your analysis is pretty well spot on. I think you're right too... people want this ship before it goes away, so they scrambling to get it. Plus... 0.10 with Dead Eye, makes this ship even more powerful.
I agree Thunderer is just dumb and broken. I've only been playing the game for a little over a year, and I had enough coal to buy the Thunderer the end of November... my 3rd game in it I got 318k damage (215k of it was AP, 223k of it was to just two ships) and I play only co-op: 45 battles in randoms, 2244 battles in co-op across all ships. My highest tech tree ships are Tier VII in 4 lines, VIII in 1, so I wouldn't exactly call myself a high level player, but I am not a complete potato either.
It's difficult to get high damage games most of the time in co-op because 1: There's only 9 ships per team and 2: bots yolo 95% of the time, so games are usually over really quick. That 318k game it was down to me, a Kremlin bot and a CV bot, because my two human teammates died in the first 5 minutes. I was faced off against two full heath BB's, a GK and a Yamato, which I took down doing a total of 223k between the two at a distance of around 6-7km. The Kremlin bot on my team was on the other side of the map hunting down the enemy CV and the CV bot on my team was too busy losing all its planes to AA, so neither of them were any help to me there. I was only using my two front turrets the whole time against the Yammy and GK because I was bow into the GK and 25° angled to the Yammy. The Yammy was pretty easy because I just citadel'd it repeatedly through the cheek. The GK took longer because at the distance I was to it I couldn't citadel it through its turtleback, even though it was full on broadside to me. I took 110k damage that game but had 1/3 of my health and 1 heal remaining when it ended, the 80 AP shells fired at me only did a total of 34k damage because bots aim for your waterline belt at the center of your ship, so I bounced the majority of the shells the GK and Yamato fired at me. 44k of the damage I took was from HE shells and 32k from fires.
So the Thunderer I have had for about two months now but I have only 16 games in it, because it's not a lot of fun to play it.
Honestly the Thunderer should play like Vanguard ideally. Limited by gun range has a lower fire chance and good AP. That's how it SHOULD be.
The BB "Fun Police" lol
5 seconds into this vid I already know I will agree with everything that is going to be said
This is the reason why I only play my thunderer and smolensk in coop when I need to chill out for garbage teams.
YOU SAID IT!!! I bet that dude was so pissed off but couldn't just quit the battle because that gives him further penalty by Wargaming!!!!!
Forgot to mention how this shit yeets your AA, making you even more vulnerable to Carriers...
I'm sure WG will consider all this and address the issue, they'll patch and Thunderer will get 3 Barrels per turret in typical WG fashion :)
Will listened, we considered what you said, we decided you were wrong and we fixed it, AND YOU STILL ARENT HAPPY!! hehe
Jean Bart, Burgorgne is the same. Even worse with their reload booster.
With thunder, you have a chance to go invisible. But against JB,B, it will set you on fire before you go invisible.
This appears to apply at all the upper half of tiers. I was sitting in my spawn point in my Dunkerque spamming HE just like you were here and I was racking up a huge score with eight guns. I could have sat there the whole game and broke my own record but I decided to push in and actually do something interesting. 1 minute into my push and I was dead! I'm not sure what WG wants us to do. I hate sitting back and doing nothing but that seems to be the end result. Don't bother playing Cruisers or Destroyers, the spammers will blow you to bits from miles away!
I'm glad you voiced your thoughts.. its such a shame the direction WG has gone. I really like the game but find myself sticking to lower tiers because of this bullshit. I have had a few games with a up to 4 thunderers on the enemy team and my tank bb build seems like a pile of shit with a thunderer camping in the area....
I share your pain and philosophy. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Fun be damned.
Oh look its back..
lol those big guns reload on 22 sec. and I agree on everthing mr potato said
Hey, this is the first t10 bb im good at xd
[and not rly cus the he, but cus it moves like a cruiser]
I really despise the British tech tree battleships, and I mean pretty much all of them, because I hate that HE is their optimal ammo choice 99% of the time. I never want to fire AP from them even when I normally would, since their AP is so weak against most of the targets I would normally want to use AP against.
Literally all of the British battleships I actually enjoy playing are premiums. I love Warspite for the reasons you listed. I also love Hood and Vanguard, for similar reasons. I prefer Duke of York to King George V, because the improved AP pen angles and slower reload actually incentivize (and reward) proper ammo and target selection.
I also wish Thunderer had standard battleship HE. It would be fine if it did, because it wouldn't be brainless to play or absolutely toxic to play against. I told myself I would never get Conqueror and felt like a bit of a hypocrite when I picked Thunderer up, but I didn't want to miss the boat on getting something special that was relatively easy to access. But I hate it, and pretty much never play it outside of co-op. I might have to try going into randoms with it and only ever shooting HE at enemy Cancerors and Tumorers, even though that is suboptimal. Hey, I already enjoy playing sub-optimally because I actually like to make aggressive pushes now and then. 😛
nice rant! lol i got mine . its almost like the t50-2 when it first came out, epic and fast the rage that people had for it
then they removed it from the game and nerfed it it sucked after that. now they got wheeled vehicles wich has broken it again.
i was hoping to retire to this but now i might have to find a different game to play
I've always been willing to defend Thunderer with the response that its a "glass cannon". Amazing at farming damage - the best T10 BB for doing so - but when you're in situation where you need to push to help secure caps and actually win the game, the ship really suffers. Now though with the addition of Dead Eye helping to kill any remaining balls left on Battleship players, even I'm going to throw up my hands and say this ship needs a nerf, especially if Dead Eye is going to remain unchanged (knowing WG this is likely to be the case).
I actually always really enjoyed playing Thunderer which might have something to do with me trying too hard to make the AP work instead of just slinging HE all the time.
I certainly wouldn't want the accuracy to be nerfed because I absolutely crave having consistent guns, but if neutering the HE alpha doesn't happen then WeeGee can slash the reload to 30s+ and I'd probably be a-ok with that.
i'd say he alpha or fire chance reduction would both be fair nerfs, the reload is pretty important for dealing with cruisers with AP
@@ryanli5803 well that's what I think would be better but I don't see it happening since WG seems to want good HE to be the UK BB gimmick. And you already have 30mm+ overmatch, you'll still dumpster cruisers even with a longer reload.
So fare pointi on that topic.
Still make a video on Venezia, would like to see your point on her.
Everything you said about the Thunderer is true. On the plus side, at least they're very rare in tier X battles. xD
um i hope ur being sarcastic
@@cphil_2192 Nope. Completely serious. Can't remember the last time I saw a Thunderer on NA.