Edinburgh Waverley: Great Scott!

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2025
  • The mighty gateway to the Athens of the North.
    Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/jago...
    Patreon: / jagohazzard

ความคิดเห็น • 455

  • @DingoWoof
    @DingoWoof 2 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    One small correction - Only trains that approach from the west pass under the castle, trains coming up the East Coast Main Line approach from the east side of the station and don't pass under it.
    What's shown at 0:12 is the back of St Andrews House, with Governors House to the left.

    • @LeoStarrenburg
      @LeoStarrenburg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I visited Edinburgh a number of times, but somehow the station got stuck in my memory as beeing a terminus with all the trains entering and leaving via Princess Street Gardens.
      Thanks to Mr. Hazzard and you that stands corrected now !

    • @johnclarke2997
      @johnclarke2997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The west lines pass north of the castle in a clearing. East lines pass under Old Royal High School

    • @andrewyoung749
      @andrewyoung749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@LeoStarrenburg it has 2 terminus sections. one terminus section that heads out through princes gardens. one terminus that heads to berwick. and then round both sides are the through platforms. its arranged like a capital H.

    • @drmal
      @drmal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @DingoWoof Spot-on, the only notable services from the South that come in from the West, via Haymarket then beneath the castle ramparts are those up the West Coast mainline. It's pretty misleading for the voice-over to refer to the Castle when showing the back of St. Andrews House. For a moment I thought someone had turned my home city back to front!

    • @paulbrown9802
      @paulbrown9802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I came here to correct Jago but I see others have done! 👍🏻

  • @Adeodatus100
    @Adeodatus100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    In some ways Walter Scott _was_ 19th century Scotland - at least to the English. His portrayal of Scotland did much to "reboot" the country in the eyes of its southern neighbours, and make it fashionable. I suspect that the Scottification of the area around Waverley was partly to ensure that the first impression English visitors got had something to do with their favourite Scottish novelist.

    • @peterrivet648
      @peterrivet648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      The really funny part of this is that Scott took the name Waverley from a place in Surrey. It isn't Scottish at all. Also some of his interpretation of Scottish history should be seen as what it is: fiction.

    • @Adeodatus100
      @Adeodatus100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@peterrivet648 Only some? 😉

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Adeodatus100 You could say historical fiction or "faction", which also still sells very well nowadays.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Victoria set the fashion, but afaik she was very influenced by the novelist.

    • @neville132bbk
      @neville132bbk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Waverley an. "across the harbour" suburb of Dunedin... Dunedin - the "Edinburgh of the South" founded in 1848 by Free Kirk members led by the formidable Rev Cargill --is replete with suburbs and streets taken from Edinburgh Snr.
      We did the trip there from Kings Cross on GNER in Aug 2004 ,, and a couple of days later Scot-railed to Stirling. A beautiful city I thought Edinburgh, esp with the old buildings that had been cleaned of 400 years of coal smoke... Interesting to see the French-style tapered towers... what can I call them... on dignified houses... some of the "old money" families had houses like that still to be found in Dunedin....the Glendinnings, the Rosses, the Sideys....

  • @frglee
    @frglee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    It's impossible not to be impressed with this station and the city it serves. I first saw it in the early 70s in the middle of Winter. How gothic and dark and sooty it appeared then, how cold was the wind blowing down the wind tunnel that is Princes Street and how warm was the welcome from the old lady who ran the guest house in Morningside where I stayed. "Och, come in laddie, you must be cold, go into the sitting room, sit by the fire, and I'll bring in some tea..."🙂

    • @neville132bbk
      @neville132bbk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      To quote from the Goon Show
      "Och..come in, laddie --sit down by this roarin' candle."
      Ah yes, " says Neddie."True Scots hospitality."

  • @DB-ug3pe
    @DB-ug3pe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The novel Waverly is particularly apt for the station on the England to Scotland line. The novel is about an Englishman who journeys to Scotland to see a friend of his father and fights for the Jacobites before returning to the loyalist cause and marrying a Scottish woman.

  • @favesongslist
    @favesongslist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was part of the team that was involved in the GEC General Signals electronic TDM communications of the signaling upgrade at Waverly in the late 70s, mainly for the route from Waverly over the forth rail bridge and on up to Lady Bank. TY for another excellent video that also helped bring back many memories.

  • @tidmouthmilk12
    @tidmouthmilk12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Always makes me happy to see HSTs still sporadically working around. It's understandable that they had to be replaced due to their age and accessibility concerns, but their look is just so iconic.

    • @frglee
      @frglee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ah yes, and they continue being Really Useful Trains. Refurbished at Doncaster works, with new interiors, controlled emission tanks and automatic sliding doors, 26 HST sets now run services for Scotrail up to Dundee, Aberdeen and Inverness from Glasgow and Edinburgh, albeit in shortened form with 4 or 5 coaches.

    • @johnm2012
      @johnm2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@frglee And still two power cars? They must have great acceleration.

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@frglee Absolutely. Not at all bad for a 45 year old design!

    • @Alan_UK
      @Alan_UK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The HSTs were far more comfortable than than the Hitachi’s that replaced them on the Paddington to the West Country services.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Honestly, aside from the extreme height that the ramps get raised to, which I can’t hope to push myself up, I find the HST coach to be far more comfortable in my wheelchair than some of the modern multiple units!
      For one, there’s at least twice the space for the wheelchair passenger compared to a lot of modern designs! I’m very happy that the ones which didn’t retire are still operating fulltime between cities in the Scottish network 😊
      (Of course, I would prefer level boarding on all my trains… but almost none of the new designs have that either, so I still need to ask someone for a ramp! As long as that’s still the case, I will always prefer an HST.)

  • @oc2phish07
    @oc2phish07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I made my first visit to Edinburgh earlier this year. What a beautiful city. And a very interesting station, and area surrounding it. Thanks for not only an interesting video, Jago, but for immediately bringing back memories of a wonderful week in Edinburgh. I am now eagerly looking forward to your follow-up presentations.

    • @reggie18b
      @reggie18b 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Edinburgh city centre really is a jewel amongst UK cities. Spectacular views.

  • @gregsyt2030
    @gregsyt2030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Great to see you make an Edinburgh-related video, look forward to the rest of them! The trams are definitely a great topic, a complete clusterfuck to make, extremely limited, but at the same time actually quite good. I think a Glasgow Central video would be interesting too. As you said it's the busiest station, and it has a lot of history. It's a beautiful building too, even if its immediate surroundings can be really quite unsavoury.

    • @marcelwiszowaty1751
      @marcelwiszowaty1751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well while we're on the subjects of Edinburgh trams and Glasgow Central it would seem rude to ignore Glasgow's own unique urban transit network.... the small, but perfectly-formed Subway. Do please consider covering that, Jago... it really is one of a kind!

    • @gregsyt2030
      @gregsyt2030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@marcelwiszowaty1751 I fully second this. The Glasgow Subway is great, and unique!

    • @marcelwiszowaty1751
      @marcelwiszowaty1751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@gregsyt2030 New trains on the way too!

    • @ianmcsherry5254
      @ianmcsherry5254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think we as Edinburgh citizens will be better placed to appraise the tram system once trams are actually running to and from Newhaven. Hopefully that isn't too far off. Goodness knows the locals along the route have suffered through the drawn-out construction saga.

    • @gregsyt2030
      @gregsyt2030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ianmcsherry5254 very true, the whole thing has been an absolute palaver, even if the existing (extremely limited) line has imo been really quite good.

  • @robertweissman4850
    @robertweissman4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another gem, Jago. Scotland - the land of mountains, lochs and engineering- deserves to have such an exquisite railway station in the capital. One regret I have is that in 1969, the Waverley route was axed under the Beeching Plan. Linking Edinburgh with Carlisle via Galashiels and Hawick, and then further into England, it was a lifeline to folks in the Southern Uplands of Scotland. I know that part of it has reopened from near Galashiels to Edinburgh, but think of the difficulty of restoring the remainder of the route to Carlisle.

    • @gemh89
      @gemh89 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Always love seeing people recognising that Scotland is so much more than bagpipes and tartan and shortbread. Much love xx

    • @marc21091
      @marc21091 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We all live in hope. A Campaign for Borders Rail initiative to open to from Tweedbank P&R station on to Melrose, Newtown St Boswells and Hawick seems to be starting up.

  • @SmithyScotland
    @SmithyScotland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It's amazing they built the castle right next to the station. Must have made army troop movements much easier. Good luck on Edinburgh Trams. Edinburgh used to have the biggest tram network in the world. Now it has a 1/3rd of a tram line. Not a "Tram Network". Not a "tram line".

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The video’s in the queue! I mean, I tried to be positive about the trams, but…

    • @asprintablet
      @asprintablet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JagoHazzard - the trams are a real pain, they are working on Leith walk for the 3rd time, they dug it up to get stuff sorted for the trams, then they decided to not put trams down leith walk so they dug it up to make it back to road with out the tram bits.
      They they decided to switch back to having trams down Leith Walk - and it makes any travel a real pain.

    • @barrieshepherd7694
      @barrieshepherd7694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣🤣🤣🤣That's resurrected the old American tourist joke.

    • @Julius_Hardware
      @Julius_Hardware 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@barrieshepherd7694 Are the Highlands open today? (yes that one was real)

    • @barrieshepherd7694
      @barrieshepherd7694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Julius_Hardware " No it's the haggis hunting season so they are closed to the public"

  • @AtheistOrphan
    @AtheistOrphan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    8:50 - I don’t know if it’s just me but having grown up with all U.K trains having full yellow ends I still find it weird to see trains without them.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No, I find it weird too.

    • @britishfilmguy
      @britishfilmguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      These days rules on that aren't so strict on yellow cab fronts, tend to like the alternative colours something different really.

    • @AtheistOrphan
      @AtheistOrphan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@britishfilmguy - Yeah I think it was a safety thing to make trains more visible to p/way gangs, but the introduction of bright LED lighting made them redundant.

    • @britishfilmguy
      @britishfilmguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AtheistOrphan yeah plus anyone working trackside they can see a train coming, so with these fancy led lights yellow cab fronts aren't ad essential so opt for alternative colours like trans pennine with gloss black.

    • @AtheistOrphan
      @AtheistOrphan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@britishfilmguy - ‘anyone working trackside’ - That’s exactly whom I meant by ‘p/way gangs’. Perhaps I shouldn’t have used railway terminology but my late father was a lifelong railwayman and phrases such as ‘the p/way gangs were working in the four-foot and the cess’ are second nature to me and I often forget that they may not be understood by the general public at large! I suppose every industry has it’s own unique phraseology.

  • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
    @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Waverly and its hotel. Edinburgh is one of my favorite weekend getaways when I'm in the U.K.

  • @cythrosi
    @cythrosi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just visited this station after my first stay in Edinburgh. It's quite the station, though making sense of the platform numbering was headache inducing.

    • @pab200
      @pab200 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Platform numbering... I see that hasn't changed since the late 70's then...

    • @mcdon2401
      @mcdon2401 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pab200 just a slight rejig a few years ago.

    • @mcdon2401
      @mcdon2401 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They could have done a far better job if they'd kept things consistent. Instead they went mix and match.
      P1, 2 and 7 are the eastern ends of P20, 19 and 11. But 8 and 9 have east and west ends. And 18 is only accessible from within the ticket barriers, even though it comes right alongside 19, and should probably have a fence along it.
      Then there's P0 in Haymarket. That's not confusing for the tourists either 🤣

    • @Julius_Hardware
      @Julius_Hardware 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The station is named following Scott, and the platforms Kafka. I've been using it for 30 years and still never have any idea where my train is.

  • @Thatspuremental
    @Thatspuremental 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see in the end you visited Glasgow as well glen Douglas a wee star of a by gone era aye it is that

  • @jonasrosengren9093
    @jonasrosengren9093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tack!

  • @ianangusmann
    @ianangusmann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I was there in 2010 they were doing a lot of work on the station. So its good to be able to see it all finished.

  • @Sim0nTrains
    @Sim0nTrains 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really do love Scotland in general, and Edinburgh Waverley is a lovely station indeed. looking forward to your other Edinburgh Videos Jago.

  • @brian9731
    @brian9731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My North British Story - in 1983 aged about 14, I went to a wedding reception at the North British Hotel for an Edinburgh cousin. I met my first girlfriend there. She was lovely and we had a brief long distance thing (such as a thing can be at 14). Not a bloody clue whatever became of her. She had a very rich mummy and daddy (something to do with fresh fruit wholesale I seem to remember) and was no fool herself, so I doubt she's on the streets.

  • @Michael75579
    @Michael75579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    If you're covering Edinburgh railways, the Innocent railway might be worth a mention. There's not much left of it now other than the tunnel from St Leonards going out towards Duddingston, but the tunnel is still open as a pedestrian route. You can still see the remains of platforms and other buildings from the old suburban lines if you know where to look. There are also a few relics of Edinburgh's original tram system which was removed in the 1950s - a tiny section (only a few feet long) of cable tramway in Waterloo Place, the facade of the tram depot on Hanover Row, etc.

    • @davemason6870
      @davemason6870 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This summer I walked the Innocent from Duddingston Golf Course to the Commonwealth Pool with my golf clubs on my back. To paraphrase Mark Twain, It's a nice walk spoiled.

  • @stephenfrost2272
    @stephenfrost2272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great capital city Edinburgh is. You walk out of Waverley station and you're in the main shopping centre of the city. Walk down Princes Street and there's the National Gallery on The Mound, only a short walk away in Chambers Street is the National Museum of Scotland. and you probably pass the National Library of Scotland on your way. The Castle itself dominates the gardens, a great location for train watchers, then St. Giles Catherdral's just on the Royal Mile. Walk down there to the Scottish Parliament and the Place of Holyroodhouse. And Waverley Station, whilst almost invisible at street level is a delight in itself. That lovely round roof light over the waiting area, the cast iron thistles in the capitals of the columns and the constant reminders of the North British Railway, like the War Memorial tablet have a wonderful ambiance, not to mention the announcer's accent. Thanks for giving it the exposure it deserves, torrential rain not withstanding!

  • @MrDavil43
    @MrDavil43 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Naming locos after Walter Scott's writings was a great idea....it reached its culmination (in my opinion) with D11/2 4-4-0 no 62678 "Luckie Mucklebackit" and D30/2 no 62434 "Kettledrummle". These are far better than the dreadful corporate names some modern locos are saddled with

    • @bobmillar2099
      @bobmillar2099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree! And let's not forget 62671 "Bailie MacWheeble" and 62691 "Laird of Balmawhapple".

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      W.A. Tuplin suggested that "Luckie Mucklebackit" might represent the sound of the engine's motion in run down condition. Certainly a contrast with the respectable names of Great Central directors for the D10s and D11/1s. Gresley was prepared to build new locos to an existing design from another constituent line of the LNER as he felt they were the best solution for a need - honest and pragmatic.

    • @robertweissman4850
      @robertweissman4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I fully agree, Davil. In steam days, so many engines had terrific names. I once saw a power-car of an InterCity 125 named “Top of the Pops,” and it seemed such a weird effort.

  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    "Embezzler" appears to be a required qualification for so many railway entrepreneurs...

    • @OMGAnotherday
      @OMGAnotherday 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nothing changes! 😂

    • @neville132bbk
      @neville132bbk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr Yerkes was born just a few decades too late....

  • @paulhaynes8045
    @paulhaynes8045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovely place - excellent video. Raining again!

  • @thehaprust6312
    @thehaprust6312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was in Edinburgh in July. Waverly was a bit of a challenge to navigate at first, but once you get your bearings it's quite a lovely station.
    Of course, as an American, most major train stations in the UK are quite (no, not you Euston) lovely to me.

  • @Richardincancale
    @Richardincancale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did you manage a wee peek at Haymarket station? When I lived in Edinburgh many years ago I worked by there - the air thick with the smell of malt and hops from the brewery next door. When it was very foggy we’d hear the sound of detonators on the lines! I did see the Flying Scotsman pass one day on a heritage outing.

    • @thomasburke2683
      @thomasburke2683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Flying Scotsman; would that be the locomotive 4472, or the daily train service?
      I guess it is the loco, as it was on a heritage outing.
      Nice one!

    • @Zveebo
      @Zveebo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That area - and the station especially - are dramatically different now. A Jago video on the station would be great - it’s the oldest station in Edinburgh, so a very interesting history. And a quirk of the rail network is that for ticketing, it and Waverley count as one station, though you can still buy a ticket between them.

    • @aprilsmith1166
      @aprilsmith1166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The brewery is long gone except for the magnificent chimney stack. There's now an estate of flats there and I was fortunate to stay in one just recently.

  • @drnoeltredinnick5983
    @drnoeltredinnick5983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

  • @iangreenhalgh9280
    @iangreenhalgh9280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's 30 years since I last went to Edinburgh and I'm planning a city break there next year, so your videos on the place are very useful. Cheers!

  • @77smp
    @77smp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Trains from the south pass Edinburgh Castle? Technically true as the sleepers, Avanti West Coast and Trans Pennine do. Majority of services, LNER, Cross Country and Lumo come in underneath the Governor's Office and the Scottish Government building as shown in the video. That's my little (Carlton) hill to die on....now for the rest of the video :)

    • @adastida
      @adastida 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks, I was thinking the same thing. Nice Calton Hill pun as well :)

    • @snorkythepig4494
      @snorkythepig4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this articulate and explanatory comment. I enjoy Jago’s videos so you saved me from embarrassing myself with a wee rant.

  • @paultidd9332
    @paultidd9332 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Edinburgh too! Thank you for this very interesting history on the railway station and I shall feel far more enlightened when I arrive there next. I look forward to more videos on Edinburgh too.

  • @peterrivet648
    @peterrivet648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A very good video. You say that you plan to do a piece on the lost Caledonian station at Princes Street; would you be willing to do one about Haymarket as well? It's more user friendly if you want to visit the West End of the city, as you don't have to climb so far. It still retains the original Edinburgh & Glasgow Railway terminal building of 1842, which is quite a dignified one. This has survived despite being threatened from the 1960s onwards by replacement with a modern office block.

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haymarket has featured for many years in a classic train quiz question as a four-platform station where you can catch trains in opposite directions that go direct to London. (Likewise Exeter St Davids but that has 6 platforms. My old home station, Cosham, is another.)

  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Waverley is one of my favourite stations I have visited, space a plenty, light and airy (sometimes too airy), all achieved in a below street level. Contrast with Birmingham New Street, which, despite being "modernised" remains a dark and dull place to have to visit.

    • @chrisamies2141
      @chrisamies2141 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      and extremely annoying, at least before it was straightforward to use.

    • @robertweissman4850
      @robertweissman4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, Rob. Waverley is as beautiful as New Street - having been rebuilt twice, is a dingy dump at rail level.

  • @Blackburnian737
    @Blackburnian737 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video! I was in Edinburgh this time last year for a semester. Came to Edinburgh by way of Edinburgh Waverley and went to many places in Scotland and England through there. Also used Haymarket a lot. In fact Edinburgh Waverley is the station I've used the most, cause I don't get to take many trains in the U.S. unfortunately. Great to know more about the history of it.

  • @stepheneyles2198
    @stepheneyles2198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's amazing how nice a station can be made from scratch - the ever-universal material used by builders throughout centuries!
    Nice day with sun after that rain shower adding extra drama to the video! Thanks Jago!

  • @afieldsy8236
    @afieldsy8236 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for visiting this station, looking forward to the trams video. So much railway history in Edinburgh, the loss of Princes Street Station and what remains of it for one.

  • @rambler241
    @rambler241 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just picked up on this one.
    Thanks - I think this is one of your best. I tend to get a bit bored with many TH-cam vids after about 5 minutes - butterfly mind, but I watched this one right to the end.

  • @stephenbrasher
    @stephenbrasher 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    And one on the lost stations of Edinburgh? Of which there are quite a few.

  • @shetlandsheep3081
    @shetlandsheep3081 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video! Looking forward to your other tartan tales! Love from Edinburgh ❤

  • @davidf2281
    @davidf2281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Edinburgh is a magnificent city. If anyone is visiting the UK I'd tend to recommend visiting there first over London.

  • @adrianrutterford762
    @adrianrutterford762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Mr H.
    Wonderful stuff as ever.

  • @amanzholkellett6724
    @amanzholkellett6724 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lovely to see a video about a station very close to my heart - thanks Jago!

  • @shelaghjackson9577
    @shelaghjackson9577 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks! I lived in Edinburgh as a student in the 70’s, and spent many journeys on the trains up and down to London.
    I love trains.
    By the way, did you know that the huge clock on the now Balmoral Hotel is always set 5 minutes fast?
    It was done when the hotel was originally built , so that travellers wouldn’t miss their trains!

  • @davidlittle7182
    @davidlittle7182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    To me and many commuting Scots the primary function of Waverley is actually connecting to Glasgow (then Stirling, Aberdeen etc.) rather than to England

  • @leswallace2426
    @leswallace2426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this, yes Edinburgh is wonderful, please keep your videos coming!

  • @phaasch
    @phaasch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If it's not London underground related, then the featured villain must be... George Hudson! (Cue green limelight, and pantomime booing) 😗
    There's a story about Waverley which I recall reading:
    Sometime in the 20s, the veteran train timer EL Ahrons was heading back to London, but needed to make a tight connection at Waverley. His incoming train was late, and pulled in just as the London express was being flagged out on the opposite platform. Undeterred, Ahrons flung himself and his overnight bag across the platform, knocking one of the station staff off his feet. As Ahrons scrabbled aboard the moving train, he heard the porter calling after him "So- ye'll no' be stoppin long in the city the day then, sir?"

  • @mattjackson9859
    @mattjackson9859 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Must visit Edinburgh. The architecture looks amazing.

  • @baxtermarrison5361
    @baxtermarrison5361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The history of the suburban lines, their rise and fall, not to mention the vast number of industrial lines serving to coal fields, agricultural produce into, and horse poop out of the city, as well as the paper mills to name but a few, is endlessly fascinating. A lot of these now disused lines have been turned into cycle routes, and there is evidence of a lot of the old infrastructure in and around the city, if you know where to look!

  • @icecreamgecko2
    @icecreamgecko2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This city looks gorgeous!
    ...and strangely I do not think that I will be disappointed when it rains, when I will finally manage to visit it, one day.

  • @OMGAnotherday
    @OMGAnotherday 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video, I’ve travelled through Waverley many many times, and you have portrayed it wonderfully.
    Thank you 🙏🏻

  • @thesloaneranger1
    @thesloaneranger1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone born and bred in Edinburgh, it was such a surprise to see a Waverley vid appear! The station is interesting (Im old enough remember being able to drive down the ramps to platform level!) and it even had a shooting gallery at one time, but if you want real excitement, check out Glasgow Central instead. That was built ontop of a section of town, parts of which can still be seen underground if you take one of the guided tours.
    Ive spent the bulk of my life on the west coast, but having a father who was an avid Edinburgh trainspotter in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, I have spent alot of time hearing his tales of the old goods yards and what Princes Street station was like. At least the "Cally" hotel survived the Princes Street cull - Glasgow lost St Enochs station and its huge termini hotel completely. You can still catch the underground at St Enochs (the infamous Clockwork Orange), but in hindsight, losing those 2 main stations was a massive loss to both cities.

  • @michaelwest4325
    @michaelwest4325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As the owner of one square meter, and now a fiercely proud Baird I loved my return to the home country! This station, the Museum in York, on the stop south, the hotel, the castle, the city, your video brings back joyous memories. HMY Britannia, the Forth Bridge, Balmoral, my flat overlooking the hanging spot and Last Drop, thank you for keeping Scotland, and England too, in my thoughts every little bell icon!

  • @Azeria
    @Azeria 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:45 part of Derby’s ring road is called ‘Lara Croft Way’, so I suppose it could always be weirder

  • @johna5635
    @johna5635 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    From Kings Cross... to Edinburgh Waverley! Good to see your video topics making a journey I've made many times in my life!

  • @michaelcampin1464
    @michaelcampin1464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Gardens are quite pleasant just remember the 1pm gun. There is a brief history of The Railway King, George Hudson in the Cooper Rose, a wetherspoons in Sunderland

  • @katbryce
    @katbryce 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I see you were welcomed by the traditional Scottish weather 🌧

  • @virginiacentral
    @virginiacentral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An interesting side note, in Virginia, USA, stations along the Norfolk Southern Railroad were also named for places in Scott's novel. Wakefield, Waverly, Windsor, Ivor, and Zuni are on NS's predecessor Norfolk and Petersburg Railway.

    • @tmorganriley
      @tmorganriley 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Additional trivia: And when the rail manager and his wife (who was helping him pick the names) couldn't decide on one of the names, they named it after their impasse: Disputanta, Virginia.

  • @charliescott7764
    @charliescott7764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Always interesting to hear a sympathetic sassenach take on an area I know intimately. As a Caley man I much preferred Edinburgh Princes St Well done.
    Don't do the trams until next Spring. I walked the route of the tram extension this morning and there is only c15m of track still to be concreted in but lots of hard landscaping too. A big scandal will be the tram enquiry if it ever gets published.

    • @roderickjoyce6716
      @roderickjoyce6716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IMHO the bigger scandal was getting rid of the Glasgow trams, but that's a very long time ago.

    • @esmeephillips5888
      @esmeephillips5888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And the CalMac ferries.
      We see millions spent on consultants doing traffic forecasts, environmental impact studies and cost-benefit studies and all the other things 'expert' planners do. The Victorians had capitalist animal spirits.
      We end up with projects botched or done on the cheap, such as the Borders Railway, which take years longer than intended and cost twice or three times as much. The Victorians left us monuments of engineering brilliance which are also works of art, and without a 'professionally qualified' town planner in sight.

  • @davidjohnson00001
    @davidjohnson00001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    It is noteworthy that before Scott there was nothing called Waverley in Edinburgh at all. He named those novels after the ruined Waverley Abbey in South West Surrey, only 430 miles away!

    • @mdhazeldine
      @mdhazeldine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I live very near Waverley Abbey, in the borough of Waverley. I didn't know the station was named after this area! How strange.

    • @andrewyoung749
      @andrewyoung749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mdhazeldine strictly speaking its named after edward waverley which it is suspected scott half-inched from waverley abbey.

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scott originally published his novels anonymously, so his later novels were first credited to "The Author of Waverley."

  • @simonthompson9858
    @simonthompson9858 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent vid Jago old bean. Don't forget to have a look in the Cafe Royal opposite the Waverley steps next time. There is also a line that weaves through the south of Enbra, we (on the LNER from Kings x to Inverness) got diverted onto it at Portobello yards when there was a problem in the station. The train had to wait for a local driver to accompany the LNER driver whilst we trundled around the back of a lot of suburban gardens and eventually emerged near Murrayfield.

  • @alanmoss3603
    @alanmoss3603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I used to write episodes of Balamory for BBC Scotland and have happy memories arriving at Waverley from Kings Cross once a month - mainly because it meant I was getting paid!

    • @mattsyson3980
      @mattsyson3980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So you are a guilty party! Must admit Miss Hooley (?) had a certain attraction for me but I digress.

    • @andrewyoung749
      @andrewyoung749 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattsyson3980 she was oddly milfy wasnt she. i think archie wanted her

  • @sampointau
    @sampointau 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having travelled from London to Edinburgh in 1970 to visit family, on the non stop service and we stayed at the railway hotel so we didn't have to lug our bags far from the station! 😁
    I can tell you that the interesting thing for a young lad at the time was at night hanging out the window watching and listening to the trains arrive and depart the station. Especially on foggy nights. Much better on that side of the hotel than the other!

  • @NaomiClareNL
    @NaomiClareNL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The (former) railway lines in the area north of Waverly station to the coast at Leith might be the subject of a few videos if you go back to Edinburgh. From afar and looking at historical pictures it looks interesting.

    • @aprilsmith1166
      @aprilsmith1166 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @NaomiClareNL Yes indeedy! Especially as Granton is currently being re-developed, and the old railway station is almost finished.

  • @tgmccoy1556
    @tgmccoy1556 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love to see Edinburgh.
    My Gr. Grandma was from there. Thanks,Jago.

  • @daveherbert6215
    @daveherbert6215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love it, love it, love it. Waverley is a beautiful station. Edinburgh is a beautiful city. Great video on its history. Glasgow next?

  • @edwilson5416
    @edwilson5416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Edinburgh they also named a football rean after a Walter Scott work, Heart of Midlothian.

  • @KaitlynnUK
    @KaitlynnUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been to Glasgow a couple of times, but not Edinburgh, must get myself up there sometime. Thank you for the impetus :)

  • @johnd6487
    @johnd6487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Totally misread that platform sign towards the end as ‘Platform Be This Way’.. which sounds more like it should be hanging in Temple Meads than Waverley lol

  • @nomadMik
    @nomadMik 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've used that station pretty much every time I've been in Europe in the past 10 or 15 years. I always seem to go out the opposite exit from what I need, and get lost finding the best way in-the depth of the station doesn't help. This delightful video will make me grumble less, the next inevitable time one of these things happens.

  • @BroonParker
    @BroonParker 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hardly recognised the place until the rain appeared. But I love that station. Many a holiday for me has started there. Thanks for the history.

  • @TalesOfWar
    @TalesOfWar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you're around Manchester at some point (and have the time of course, obviously you have been with the Bury station videos!) I feel you'll find the history of the two main stations there rather interesting. Victoria used to boast the longest single platform in the world when it was connected to Exchange Station next door. Piccadilly has seen several transformations too over the years.

  • @esmeephillips5888
    @esmeephillips5888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Fun fact: Waverley Borough Council in Surrey is named after the abbey from which Scott took his use of the name. It had no Scottish associations and is 450 miles from Edinburgh.

  • @thomasburke2683
    @thomasburke2683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have lovely memories of Waverly in 1978 and early 1980s.
    Class 26&27 locos, Swindon intercity units and the occasional Deltic on trains to and from London

  • @williamw7847
    @williamw7847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One other point of correction ... the Waverley Line from Edinburgh to Carlisle was closed to passenger traffic in January 1969, and the line lifted very shortly thereafter. I'm not sure what services were cancelled in 1965, (was that suburban, eg to Corstorphine?) but passenger services to via Eskbank, Penicuik and Peebles were stopped in 1962 (thanks, Dr Beeching) and the line totally closed and lifted by 1969.
    I assume you travelled to Edinburgh by daytime train from London Kings Cross ... then you'd arrive from the east passing by Calton Hill and through one of the Calton Tunnels. You'd only pass by the Castle and through Princes St Gardens if you arrived from the west. I've arrived at Edinburgh station by sleeper last year by both routes. I won't mention the sudden brake failure ... oops.

  • @philipfischer1612
    @philipfischer1612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the time before last that I was up in Edinburgh I made a point to go and see the Falkirk Wheel linking 2 Canals

  • @handyandy6050
    @handyandy6050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my favourite stomping grounds!
    Nice video, Jago.
    You didn't mention the Balmoral clock! (tic)!

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a small point of order, Jago - the Flying Scotsman service has never actually ended as claimed at 5:45. BR kept the name with the A4s, transferred the services to the Class 55s and then to the Intercity 125.
    It only operates in one direction now MON-FRI as 1E01 0540 Edinburgh to London Kings Cross.

  • @johnriley4394
    @johnriley4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The building shown above the railway at the start of the video is not Edinburgh Castle (that is the other side of Waverley Station en route to Haymarket), but St Andrew's House and the remnants of the long -demolished Calton Jail, (which does look bit like a castle). The Waverley route to Carlisle closed in 1969 not 1965. The Flying Scotsman train still exists, albeit as a very early morning train in one direction only and covering the Edinburgh to Kings Cross route in just four hours.

  • @ThatScottishAtlantic57
    @ThatScottishAtlantic57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video Jago 👍 It is true that the North British Railway did name literally everything they could after something Sir Walter Scott did!

    • @caw25sha
      @caw25sha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wonder whether the named a locomotive Old Mortality. I suspect it might have undermined public confidence.

    • @ThatScottishAtlantic57
      @ThatScottishAtlantic57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@caw25sha No, I don't think they did name a locomotive “Old Mortality”, although I do think it would have suited one of the NBR “Scott” class.

  • @dannyvanstraelen3273
    @dannyvanstraelen3273 ปีที่แล้ว

    been there several time, very nice station and well fitted into the city center, nice video again.

  • @nicklowe536
    @nicklowe536 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video always wondered how the station ended up there. Amazing place Edinburgh love the underground city

  • @rgmusicom
    @rgmusicom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure if it was intentional or not but the building atop the cliff in the opening shots isn’t the castle. That’s Calton Hill, and it’s under those you pass from the south. The castle is further west than Waverley.
    Also, there used to be (genuinely) a sign on the platform in the closing shots with the blue train that said “Caution: Trains”. It disappeared in the late 90s.

  • @PaddyWV
    @PaddyWV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Tales from McTube"? 😉
    Love the thumbnail. I took a picture of that rooflight waiting to go home in January 2020.
    So lucky to have that week there before the proverbial hit the proverbial.

  • @Charstring
    @Charstring 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The hotel certainly does have "NB" monograms everywhere in the interior - or it did decades ago when I used to stay there. They still had original furniture with NB carved into it, and they'd called one of the bars after Napoleon Bonaparte - Napoleon wasn't really best known for his work as a bar keeper so there must have been some other reason for that...

    • @colinmacdonald5732
      @colinmacdonald5732 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Perhaps it contains the piano he played at Waterloo?

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Corridors wide enough for cricket matches, stairs large enough for Busby Berkley musicals and a Foyer big enough for the Battle of Colloden" - Michael Palin.

    • @AbelMcTalisker
      @AbelMcTalisker หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@colinmacdonald5732 I wonder how many people these days will get that reference? Still, if you don`t know what we`re on about there is this. th-cam.com/video/poQERoT3JkQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @Zveebo
    @Zveebo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Always amazing that Walter Scott ended up getting a massive station named after him, then the bridge beside it, then the entire valley - along with a ginormous monument to him as well. Quite the impact in Edinburgh for an author that is not really much read these days at all.

    • @daviemaclean61
      @daviemaclean61 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Also a large number of paddle steamers, Waverley being the last survivor, and a good number of streets in many Scottish towns. As you say though, not much read these days!

    • @D_B_Cooper
      @D_B_Cooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daviemaclean61 I never made that connection with the boat 😩 I need to read this stuff now

    • @GaryJohnWalker1
      @GaryJohnWalker1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Scott effectively invented Scotland - or at least the pimped up tartans, bagpipes and much else. So a station or the odd boat named after his works isn't too surprising to me. Wouldn't be surprised if he finessed Scotch whisky from the Irish whiskey equivalent. (Not being serious there...)

    • @caw25sha
      @caw25sha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's worth reading one or two of his books, even though the use of language seems a bit laboured and heavy going these days.

    • @SeverityOne
      @SeverityOne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well, I for one stopped reading books, and watch TH-cam videos these days. Maybe one day we'll have Hazzard Station somewhere in London...

  • @glitterysparkles2415
    @glitterysparkles2415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looking forward to the tram video

  • @caileanshields4545
    @caileanshields4545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Braw vid, Jago (even though it's of Edinburgh and not Glasgow lol)
    0:48 The Great Central Railway did something similar, they named several of their 11F locomotives (aka 'Improved Directors') after poems, novels & characters from Sir Walter Scott's body of work. Almost as if the Great Central and the North British were battling it out to see who could be the biggest Sir Walter Scott fanboy: the NBR ended up winning hands down I think it's fair to say lol
    The Edinburgh Trams video should be an interesting one, considering how much of a omni-shambles the new line was in terms of planning and construction.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glasgow’s on its way…

    • @grumpyoldman47
      @grumpyoldman47 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only the first 11 (BR numbers 62660-62670) were built by the GCR and were named after company directors, WW1 battles, and the Royal Family; from 62671 onwards were built for the LNER specifically to work in Scotland, and had cut-down boiler mountings compared to the GCR engines to work in that country. They were sub-classified D11/2s - the GCR ones were D11/1s - and it is the LNER engines built specifically to work in Scotland which had names associated with Sir Walter Scott

    • @caileanshields4545
      @caileanshields4545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JagoHazzard Excellent. Of course, having lived & grown up in/around Glasgow (not born here though, that 'honour' falls to Stevenage), I'm predisposed to be biased towards it lol

  • @Blade_Daddy
    @Blade_Daddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Tru Dat" - you have a way wif words - love it!

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Went to Edinburgh Waverley station couple times and it’s such a lovely station that serves the City of Edinburgh which Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland.
    And Edinburgh is a amazing city with lots of interesting buildings, Edinburgh Cathedral, Edinburgh Zoo, Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh trams, buses and so much more to in Edinburgh. I do like Edinburgh a lot.

    • @peterdean8009
      @peterdean8009 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really? You only used the word 'Edinburgh' 10 times. lol

  • @MrGreatplum
    @MrGreatplum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I amazingly have yet to visit Edinburgh- looks worth visiting for the station alone!

  • @mykweb
    @mykweb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing Video. Caught many a train to London from Waverley.
    One other fact you could have mentioned was Waverley was used in Marvels Infinity War.
    Excited to see your video about the White Elephant that is the Edinburgh Sham (i mean tram) project.
    Enjoy your say in Edinburgh, its truely one of the most Beautiul cities in Europe

  • @colinbodger321
    @colinbodger321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The North British Hotel, now. New Balmoral. Mainly as almost everyone in Edinburgh called it the NB. So in fact as long as whatever it became it would still be known as the NB.

  • @darylcheshire1618
    @darylcheshire1618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never been to the UK but I enjoyed this, hope to visit next year

  • @D_B_Cooper
    @D_B_Cooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If you fancy a Scottish tour come and see Ayr station and the absolute state of it.

    • @thomascook578
      @thomascook578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't forget yer hard hat and hazmat suit

    • @izzieb
      @izzieb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thomascook578 Is the hazmat suit because of the station or the locals?

    • @D_B_Cooper
      @D_B_Cooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@izzieb Hard hat for the station, hazmat for the locals 👍🏻

    • @mcdon2401
      @mcdon2401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ayr is going the same way as Dalmuir did. Temporary Portacabins that were there for the best part of 3 decades 😞

    • @D_B_Cooper
      @D_B_Cooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mcdon2401 Ayr has a temporary 5 year problem, I’ll need to look into dalmuir, a half functioning station shouldn’t be too much to ask 🙁

  • @pergunnareriksson
    @pergunnareriksson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looking forward to my first trip to Edinburgh in August 2023. As well as your Edinburgh videos before that.

  • @lozdyer1087
    @lozdyer1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I adore Edinburg and love watching your vlogs. Great combo ❤

    • @atraindriver
      @atraindriver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I prefer Scotland to Texas myself, so I much prefer Edinburgh.

  • @dodgydruid
    @dodgydruid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My grandmother was an Edinburgh Scott of a family of repute from Morningside, a great deal of our family history centres around Edinburgh and Perth, my forebears founded the famous Watson academy of which my great grandfather was a teacher at him being a Scott, my great aunt was for years a teacher at Rottingdean and she remained unmarried a Scott, my great great grandmother with a fund from Watson's Academy helped establish many northern Scottish schools and I remember her consternation in a diary on the night of the great storm that brought down the Tay bridge, she was in her school house in Tongue and the wind ripped the roof clean away and she still held classes but more open to the elements as she believed learning waited for neither man nor weather and if it rained it rained. Also a Scott designed the mentioned Waterloo so we get about and it is a family tradition in my branch that the eldest male child is given Scott next to the surname, my grandmother being a Scott was given Watson next to her surname and when she married my grandfather who was a Watson she became a Watson-Watson... got to love Scottish naming conventions lol My grandparents who were unbeknown to them distant cousins met at the long gone Edinburgh terminus which name I forget, both were there awaiting their deployment and travel orders both in the navy, both heard Watson called out so both stood up and went to the CPO and they kept in contact via wireless as she was a WRNS radio operator and my granddad was a communications radio instructor at Scapa Flow.

  • @captaincodpiece3263
    @captaincodpiece3263 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Across Edinburgh, as in many places, there’s evidence of disused lines and the remnants of stations, the track beds now cycle paths and the like, now some run through tunnels, however some tunnels remain blocked off still and I would love to know where that line went as it would suggest it ran under a major part of the city in the direction roughly of Waverley, so where did this underground section go, where did it join the mainline? It’s puzzled me since I lived in Edinburgh and frequently return

  • @jamessmith6402
    @jamessmith6402 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video 👍 thanks

  • @jamesballantyne8349
    @jamesballantyne8349 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video, and id like to add the line, Walter Scotts book was published in 1812 by my Ancestors Ballantyne Publishing in Edinburgh... I didnt know Scott had such an influence on railways, so thank you!

  • @heidirabenau511
    @heidirabenau511 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see a video about a topic in Scotland!

  • @michaelcampin1464
    @michaelcampin1464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sundays cant get much better, a vlog from Jago followed by the Baldie Food Guy the in the evening Paul and Rebecca Whitewick. I missed out a few beers after the Baldie Food Guy and a lovely family Sunday roast before Paul and Rebecca.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh man, I haven’t seen the Whitewicks’ video yet. Something to look forward to when I get home.

    • @michaelcampin1464
      @michaelcampin1464 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JagoHazzard i think it airs about 5pm. You have a few hours yet.

    • @mattsyson3980
      @mattsyson3980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is getting a little weird. The gentle and soothing commentary from Jago, then the Whitewicks after when I have my tea and Michhael lambert with thoughts on Brexit, no wonder Sunday afternoons disappear so quickly.

    • @michaelcampin1464
      @michaelcampin1464 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattsyson3980 i give Michael Lambert a miss im afraid