hey all got greedy and took their content off Netflix. And now they will all collapse as these prices are living in a dream world. Almost everyone has gone back to piracy now
Have done so since January this year. All of them subscriptions. Which I had done it way earlier. Such a sense of relief & no more stress or disturbances!
I’ve seen people calling out that we’d loop back to this like 10 years ago. Became clear soon as every license holder got greedy and wanted their own streaming service.
They better figure something out, use their existing IP to sell some Merch or Tshirt, or create a Worldwide event and charge entrance ticket, build a secondary income source on top of their streaming platform. they already did the hardest work which is lined up people into their platform, people somehow accept streaming as a norm and oldie movie suddenly get relevancy again. and now they're gonna ruin all of it, just because some company named Disney trying to rock the boat. if they make their pricing inaccessible again, then all of that marketshare building will turn into a waste. people will definitely go back to Piracy again.
Subscription fatigue is also a thing. Whether it's playing online, doing office work, reading an article, watching TV - (even cars are starting to do this), there's an ever growing list of companies that want more and more of your money. It's death by a thousand cuts.
What is ironic is that people were saying that communism/socialism would take your stuff away and now capitalism is slowly forcing you to rent/subscribe to everything, so you don't own it.
Same with every company left and right creating their own phone apps in order to collect your personal info instead of just making a mobile friendly website you can visit with a web browser.
This video has a major flaw and completely ignores the fact that piracy exists. If things get too expensive and shows people wanna watch get split between multiple subscriptions, it's easier to just pirate it. Its not always a factor of money, but if a subscription to one service costs 100 a year, people will put up with it, if you need 10 subscriptions over different services, not only will it cost 1000, its also way more inconvenient. There's also the fact that subscription services make zero promise to keep their products up, which can lead to lost media.
@@issonyt I often come across news about huge fines for downloading pirated versions of movies or TV series in different countries (mostly European). I'm not sure that piracy is everywhere equally easy and safe for your wallet
@@checktheneckdepends if you download or streamed something. In Germany e.g. the majority of people in court went there for downloading, not streaming. Technically there is only a small difference but jurisdictional a huge
@@checktheneckthere are multiple ways of keeping yourself safe from copyright notices and all of them are cheaper than ad-supported tier from just 1 streaming service
If someone sells you something, with the implicit expectation that you will own that thing, but according to the seller.. you don't? well, that sounds like piracy to me. So no, we aren't pirates, we're privateers!
We used to own most of our media. Streaming killed that off. You still have to the option to go buy any movie , or series on DVD or Blu-ray and it's yours forever.
I moved away from home about 60km when I started uni. I couldn't use my parents' netflix account. So now I went back to piracy like many people. Greed brought it back
@@axa3687 The filmmakers are still being paid. It's the ridiculous greed of companies building out multi-billion dollar platforms in an over-saturated market that are going to lose out. Those platforms cost a ton of money to build, and the market simply cannot support so many You think filmmakers were going broke for the 15 years that Netflix dominated streaming alone? You think the Netflix originals made during that time were free?
Pirating would feel so much worse if these companies didn’t treat their customers so poorly. Paying for shows you don’t own is one thing; paying for artificially reduced quality or more ads than the free version? Without residuals? Why?
@bigpurpleDics You didn’t even watch the video. It was never going to be profitable that cheap. Maybe watch the video next time first before leaving a comment
@@AlessandroPioltelli @bigpurpleDics You didn’t even watch the video. It was never going to be profitable that cheap. Maybe watch the video next time first before leaving a comment
You can get DVDs for $0.25 at the local thrift shop, makes more sense than paying so much for an ever inflated streaming subscription price... now with ads!
I've actually built back up my dvds and blu rays because so many streaming services were taking certain TV series off. I just got 20 dvds including box sets for a euro. Bargain I won't have to keep jumping from streaming service to streaming service for certain shows
Simple trick. Wait till your favourite shows have a completed season, or more then one show. Then join for a month and binge. Wait till another platform has accumulated other shows you like to watch. End the subscription of the first, and rejoin the other platform, and so on. That way, you get to watch all your shows at only one monthly fee. It’s saved me buckets of money over the years.
When it was only Netflix it made sense for people to subscribe to it, you could pay a small fee to have access to a huge ton of great shows and films. Now that every studio has its own (expensive) service, people will just go back to using torrents and piracy the way they used to. It's precisely why streaming has worked so well for music but not for Hollywood - with music, you can stream every song on every platform, and they compete on a quality basis, not a catalog basis.
That's true for most countries except USA. If you check a random series it's high chance it will be available on Netflix everywhere in the world, but in the US it's on Hulu. Or Paramount. Or Peacock. It would be a great TH-cam video to explore why USA is so unique in this aspect.
Streaming hasn't worked for the musicians and bands though. They are paid a tiny tiny tiny amount per stream. I don't really know how professional musicians can make it anymore. The huge successful musicians can make it, but if you're an up and coming band then it's harder than ever out there right now.
I pirated in the early 2000's because streaming didn't exist , then happily payed when that was available , now there is 50 different services, they all cost more and have a worse product I've started to pirate again, shrug , if its too annoying to pay I just wont...
No doubt that within the next few years, some of these companies will enforce minimum subscription length requirements or a forced break after cancellations.
Yep. Streaming contracts will become a thing. Or it'll make like phone plans, where you can get a monthly subscription for some ridiculous price that becomes industry standard... or, you can get your old price if you sign up for a year (what a deal!!)! smh
What bugs me is that you pay for each streaming platform and then they STILL put commercials inside the episodes. Like, why am I paying for this? It’s like watching free TH-cam at this point…
The thing is TH-cam has a skip button after five seconds in most cases... now take paramount + they will run 120 seconds of ads every 10 minutes.. such greedy ad revenue for a mediocre service
In what way? As a result? Or a cause? Tbh I would urge you to do some research into piracy numbers and legit streaming sub numbers and compare those. Piracy isn't the cause for the higher cost. It merely is a result. Streaming lost their only positive: it being cheap. Result: piracy...
@mono, no we haven’t Mrs 20IQ. 20 years ago you paid the equivalent of $100 to get those channels, had to sign a contract, and pay at least $100 in set up fee…and little “on demand” so you had to record it when it actually came on. Today I have far more content and more quality content paying $20-$30 a month. I just rotate my services on occasion.
Usually the case with these vain videos on here and TikTok, they need the clicks on their title and interactions in the comments. They don't actually mean to discuss any kind of solution or even care about the problem.
@@FunnieApple i love vox. i think they do an excellent job most times. this one was a miss tho which was the only reason why i commented lol it seems they made a video to make a video which seems like a waste of a few $$ they could have put towards something more enlightening
@@FunnieApple What are these kind of topics usually called aside from clickbaits? Seems like Vox is now just resting on it's laurels, and is now a glorified chatgpt TTS
We live in an era where there's a million subscription services for everything. Even apps on your phone aren't one time payments anymore. We keep this up and we'll see it fall back down. When people get tired of paying subscriptions, they will sell the solution: what we already had. Physical media will make a return. I can see people coming up with new ideas for how that looks. There's still a large appeal to owning things digitally, even though you don't actually OWN it and it's reliant on the upkeep of the services those digital items are on. You can watch anywhere, on any device. You don't have to physically put something in. It saves physical space. But all at the cost of it not being guaranteed. I like buying copies with digital codes so I have both. I think we'll see more of that somehow as time goes on.
You've forgotten another option: sailing the high seas, and become free. Cost is way lower, and depending on your needs you might just use a laptop o desktop; without the need for a dedicated media server
The best thing about Netflix was that you could watch all the good shows on the same subscription plan. Companies saw that and as always, looked past what made Netflix so attractive in the first place: Convenience. The new race to essentially "re-invent" cable by basically trying to launch their own "Netflix" has just split the content across the web. I'm pretty sure there was an instance of Season 1 of a show being on HBO and Season 2,3 being on some other service entirely. Good one team, y'all just made cable 2.0
@smoche The point of streaming was to become cable 2.0. The advertisers were upset that we were skipping the commercials on the DVR so they decided to fix that. The people got hooked on streaming and the companies increased the price of streaming, that’s always been the business model. I still have cable with my DVR.
The official Pokemon website has a streaming viewing guide. It's split across EIGHT DIFFERENT STREAMING PLATFORMS. I think the minimum to watch everything was 3 or 4 platforms. Streaming has become incredibly inconvenient
Netflix and other streaming services are good for binge watching, or at least that's how I use it. I only subscribe to them if there are enough movies I want to watch. I don't want to waste my subscription money if I end up not watching anything. So after I'm done binging every movie or series I'm interested in, just immediately cancel them. My concurrent subscriptions are never longer than a month.
If I am willing to wait a year, my local library has all the newest movies and many of the favorite streaming TV shows. All free. Only cost is a blu ray DVD player.
Just pirate everything. No ads, Higher quality, everything on the same app, permanent offline content. Forgotten content, content not available in your country.
That's a ridiculous statement, proper tortured logic that is invented just for people to justify that they pirate. Nobody has ever thought they "owned" any shows they paid for via streaming. It was always clear you're just buying access to the content, not the content itself.
@@jmckendry84 it's not ridiculous, it is out of place.. this statement emerged against ubisoft after trying to remove games from online stores after players bought them at full price.
@jmckendry84 the problem is the norm of digital bought content is you pay for a license, so you don't own it. Obviously people who think streaming should amount to owning are mentally challenged. But buying a digital movie should = owning the thing.
Majority of people will take whatever corporations throw at them. Thats why Netflix password crackdown was so successful if we are to believe Netflix data and others like Prime Video, Disney+ are following it. Then again people paid for cable in the past to watch ads so…
It's not all that mind blowing. That's how it was/is with cable. You paid and still got ads. Ads are a subsidizer. That's it. They help remove some or all of the cost from you as the consumer. That's all they are. They're not a fix all for the cost of producing something. The amount the subsidize depends on the amount you have to see. All that being said, the current prices *with* the current ad situation just equals greediness. Prices should've went down when ads were introduced, not stayed the same or in some cases, increased. I definitely don't see a world where ads-only completely finance a company like Netflix, but I can see one where there is a budget friendly ad option that comes with ads and reduces the main price.
That’s what cable was for like 40 years or whatever. Plus you couldn’t watch what you wanted whenever you wanted. Plus you couldn’t sign up or cancel whenever you wanted
I have Netflix, Disney + and Prime Video. Following this, turned out I am a churner for Netflix and Prime but I have a year subcription with Disney +. Great content!
@Tiger10002That's not the way this works. Create interesting content and hit the numbers by working for them. I won't even look at channels begging to watch or subscribe.
I find it very ironic that streaming platforms as a concept started with being able to enjoy media on demand *without ads*. And now it's neither on demand nor without ads
Not quite. As this video points out, Hulu has always had an ad supported tier. Plus, speaking personally, one of the main ways I've used streaming over the last twenty years is to watch broadcast network shows, which become available to stream on their websites (free with ads) the day after they air.
I believe they never cared about if the consumers had an honest cheaper alternative in the long run, the board directors just want to grow big enough to go IPO if not big enough to liquidate the company as private equity. Same as the electric car/whatever fad, some companies are literally made to exploit FOMO investors and ghost them.
I guarantee you that the next big thing these subscription services will implement is contracts. Sign up for a year at a lower price than monthly subscriptions and they we're back to cable again full circle.
Only thing missing is hundreds of channels for different genres of music and adding $40/month more to the price so we can subsidize some content for sports fans.
remember to check you local library first, you can rent shows and movies for free and stream on sites like Hoopla. I am all for sailing the sea but supporting the library also supports good art.
The actual blu-ray does (though I'd typically not watch from the disc, to preserve it. Just have it, to own the movie/show, and watch a rip) ...but a lot of streamed content, doesn't get released on physical media, so there the only option is pirating it.
How can someone with a full-time job (and life) have time to watch all five streaming services? I barely manage to watch one or two series in a month. In summer probably even less.
I used to pay for Netflix. But I realized that I was still pirating most of the time because Netflix (in Sweden) never had the shows or movies I wanted to watch, even when it was available on Netflix US. I canceled it and haven’t looked back since. Sail the high seas!
@@zeroheroes4081 ladda aldrig ner filmerna. Som jag har förstått så är det lagligt att streama filmer från sidor men man får inte ladda ner till datorn/enhet. Men lagarna ändras då och då så det kanske är annorlunda nu.
@@jessy1982 free vpns rarely work or are fast enough. I had a paid VPN (included in my Norton subscription) and it wasn’t always working either. Having to pay for a separate service just to make Netflix (which I’m already paying for) work is unreasonable. Even in perfect conditions and without geoblocking I still wouldn’t be able to watch everything I wanted because not everything is on Netflix. Being a pirate however, I just need to visit one url and I have everything ready.
simple dude, wait until the season of the series you want is over, and then you get a monthly rent record the episodes with OBS and then you sell cheap copies in dvd for 2 dollar/copy to your neighbors, you can't share passwords but you can share copies.
I’m a CHURNER! Something I discovered on my own. 1. I’m going to subscribe when ALL TV episodes of a show I want to follow are available. 2. Some channels just over stay their welcome. And 3. Some aren’t worth subscribing to, and with my base channel, Prime TV, I can initially have a free trail period of about one week then decide if it will become one of my “churn” stations.
Some of these streaming services wont even let you see their library unless you have an active sub. So how do you plan to know if all the episodes are available?
Video streaming is a total failure. On music apps like Spotify, Apple, etc, we have almost all music in one app, for a cheap price. With video, you have to pay for several apps, if you want the sama catalog. I miss the times where I could find all movies at the rental store close to my house. It had everything.
In short, it's the same reason everything else goes bad. It had to find infinite growth from a finite resource, so of course it had to put the squeeze on existing customers eventually.
My public library offers movies, films, documentaries, kids movies and how-to videos. Completely free. They aren't really free, though. The library has purchased the items through tax money and donations. The items are for the benefit of the public. Some super-popular items may have long wait lines though, and I do see the benefit in buying the item outright or paying for a service long-term.
If you live in the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, your library may be affiliated with hoopla, a website that offers free streaming of certain shows and films, in addition to e-books, audiobooks, and music.
Hoopla wants a credit card number for access. That’s not technically free. And there’s a limit of five a month. You only watch five things a month? Not much of an alternative to me. Streaming came into being because cable got ridiculously expensive and forced you to pay for a hundred channels you were never going to watch. Eventually something new will come around that gives people a better choice too. It’s just the waiting is the hardest part. Said Tom petty. I hate the amount of ads they employ now so you have to pay more for ad free or ads less. Their holding a gun to our heads so we give them our money. It’s a soft gun, but it’s still coercion just the same. That’s robbery, slightly different from piracy. Piracy is stealing but not using a weapon. Of course the law is not on your w. It protects the big business and craps on individuals. I don’t recommend piracy I just hate being taken advantage of.
@@dancotterman1267 we have to wait for these studios to realize that most of them don't have enough content to justify having their own streaming service, and that buying into something collective like Hulu would be better for all of them. Pretty much the only studio who can justify having its own streaming service is Disney, and even they're losing money.
The only advantage over cable left is that you don't have to wait for a set time to watch a show when it premieres (or record it with a VCR or DVR). The only content that needs to be watched live is mainly sports (and kind of news).
With the exception of TH-cam, I don't believe in streaming. I like to download and listen, or watch locally off my own drive. I miss Netflix's Blu-ray mailing program.
I've been a churner from before the pandemic and have never paid for cable and dish. I'm 35 and it's so strange to think back to my childhood memories of TV and the ads. Ads are not the same these days and it's part of the reason I churn, paying g for ad-free.
When piracy is so much easier, free and often better quality I really don't see the point in all these services. They're supposed to make things easier and better for a price but they're just doing the opposite :/
Also it doesn't even feel like one is "supporting the industry" by subscribing since we know that the lion's share of revenue goes into the pockets of executives and shareholders instead of the people who actually make these shows
I believe they never cared about if the consumers had an honest cheaper alternative in the long run, the board directors just want to grow big enough to go IPO if not big enough to liquidate the company as private equity. Same as the electric car/whatever fad, some companies are literally made to exploit FOMO investors and ghost them.
"If only there was a way to enjoy shows without having to pay companies ludicrous amounts of money a month!" Piracy: *Mercy from Overwatch reaching out with her hand*
Yeah, they just undercut cable to make it go out of business, and now BAM, they can raise prices to ACTUALLY cover the costs it takes. Cable, but without the regulations and worker protections!
EXACTLY, people seem to always forget about all of the regulations, protections, and union contracts these streaming services have been able to weasel themselves out of with no checks on their growing power.
Literally just steal it. I haven't paid for a subscription service in years I torrent all my shows. It's so easy and nobody can take it from my hard drive
Most comments mention the piracy, which is strongly despised by media companies. But I think the piracy's model of distribution should actually be embraced by those companies, because it dramatically reduces costs. Streaming services are centralized so they need super expensive servers and thousands of programmers, middle managers and upper managers. But to provide seamless experience they also need CDNs and edge servers, which further raises costs. And when multiple streaming companies exists, each needs its own expensive infrastructure while capturing only some users. So currently we're multiplying costs and dividing income - not very sustainable. On the other hand, in piracy's distribution model everything is distributed. Storage consists of inexpensive home servers which are also used for other purposes, you CDN is your country's or even city's network. Your edge server is at your own or neighbor's home. So when you and your partner want to watch the same thing but at different times, data doesn't need to be transferred twice, because it can be temporarily stored locally. And there are no CEO's or managers to be payed. If someone could embrace that model while fairly compensating media creators (and only them, not tens of CEO's alongside) then costs for users will be low and no laws broken.
Many people still don't realize that the libraries of america offer free movies and tv shows to rent and stream on sites like hoopla. Support local libraries!!
I agree this to me is part of why it's harder for shows to become super popular because there's 10+ services, it's hard for a show to be popular outside the service because not everyone has said service and they don't advertise new shows. Like if a new show is on Hulu, but it's hard for those without a Hulu subscription to watch it without piracy. I do hope for a method where people can pay less to access all these services but as long as they desire their own netflix, it will likely not happen. The only way it can happen is if the streaming bubble bursts and they have to work together to find a new distribution model. I wonder if the bubble could burst if enough people cancel subscriptions and streamers not being able to churn out hits.
@@RossOzarka perhaps the aspect of piracy that's appealing is having media from different companies and the latest hit shows in one place versus having to pay for multiple services to watch the latest stuff and back catalogies from big companies. The free part would certainly not be embraced by companies, nor will this compensate creators. Rather the desire has to be to pay less to access all this stuff. To have one platform to watch this stuff and for companies to work to make these shows available elsewhere so they can make more money off it.
6:13 I find it a bit weird but so cool at the same time how I get how SZA feels. Like EXACTLY how she feels. Being an artist and having a track out that you don't really feel like that which got people in theirs feels is a very intriguing experience. You want to apologise almost - not for making the song because a lot of the time the process was enjoyable, cathartic etc, but more for not being able to like the song with your supports and fans alike. You can't bond over it which, as the song's literal maker, feels nearly like living in cellophane in that you can see everything going on outside but can't participate or even think straight over the loud crinkling of what separates you from the outside world.
Here’s something people in the UK might not have considered: In 1946 they introduced the tv license, which we have to pay if you own a TV irrespective of whether you watch BBC or not. This funded the BBC who did not rely on advertising for revenue. Later channels like ITV(1955) and Channel 4(1982) had adds. So you could argue that subscription based tv has been around for longer than we think.
It doesn’t solve the issue of platform-specific content, but libraries are an awesome resource and we need to keep using them if we want them to stick around.
They can pry my DVDs from my cold, dead hands. I get great quality, bonus features, and guarantee that some company can't just decide that they don't want me to have it and take it away
@@ShaneTheBaneI pirate absolutely shamelessly, unless it's a small creator, and that applies to everything starting with game devs and ending with content creators those clowns at the top aren't entitled to 1 CENT of my hard earned money, shouldn't be yours either
@@XD-bx6ee sure. I'm all for pirating, as my comment should suggest. Just saying, pirating isn't "owning" something without permission, making it where if a company claims buying something digital doesn't mean you own it so that means downloading the stuff from shady sites means it's not pirating, because according to the company, you don't "own" it. No lol. Pirating is just using stuff without permission. Ownership has nothing to do with it, so the original commenter is wrong when they're saying it's not pirating/stealing. It still is lol and I'm all for it. That's why I said lets be honest with ourselves and what we are doing
It’s copyright infringement not stealing. It never was stealing. Mainly the people doing it reference stealing by exclaiming that it’s not stealing. The copyright owners know it’s copyright infringement.
@@mynameisben123 it is stealing. You are taking something that you do not have permission to take. It's all of the above, stealing, copyright infringement, and piracy. However, it's only copyright infringement for the one distributing it. If you're just streaming/downloading it and using it for your own personal use, it is not copyright infringement, just piracy. Under US law, copyright infringement only has these things fall under it: copying, distributing, publicly performing or transmitting, publicly displaying, and making derivative works. So you streaming it in your bedroom, alone, does none of these.
5:11 fun fact: this is why some shows have mid season breaks, to keep people from unsubscribing or at least making it a task to do twice per year instead of once.
We're going to see a boom of piracy much like the 2008-2013 years. Streaming was supposed to be the affordable and accessible platform but now it's just cable with extra steps. I've been hopping around platforms since late 2022 and it does save a lot of money.
The people in this video probably make more than most the people in the United States. Find a person to narrate or tell the story that really can't afford to stream all those channels and I will show you a person that knows how to sail the high seas.
"Churning" is really the only way to go about it. If someone were subscribed to all of those services at the same time but were only watching one program on one service all month, they were throwing their money away. Plan what you want to watch, subscribe to the one service until you're done watching it, cancel, and move on to the next. I only had a subscription to whatever HBO called its app at the time for two months out of the year to watch Game of Thrones. I had Paramount for a couple months to watch Star Trek then canceled it. Currently watching Grey's Anatomy on Netflix.
"Password sharing" is a poorly defined term by NETFLIX. Many people have kids in college, for example. It is the same household where members do not share the same address all the time.
I think the point is there are different type of password sharing: e.g. sharing Netflix account with different families, sharing with your kids in colleges. I hope Netflix can do something to at least allow the 2nd type@@xynyde0
They defined it as the same physical network. College students away from home do not count. They don't care if it's the same family, they want the additional signups
I remember 15 years ago when I paid 35$ for my TV service, which is now 50$ when adjusted for inflation. That was with 15 minutes of ads for 1-hour shows. Paying for a couple of services still seems worth it to me. Plus, there's Tubi and Pluto which are free with ads.
I cancelled my cable tv service in 2023 and bought an amazon fire cube. I then cancelled several apps/channels that I was not watching very often. Finally, I bought a Motorola modem and returned my Comcast modem. I have not signed up for a live tv streaming service such as Sling TV, TH-cam TV, etc. Because of these steps I am saving approximately $100.00 a month vs what I was paying when I had cable.
I'm curious to see what streaming will be like 2 years from now. An interesting article to look up. "Every streaming service is raising prices. How come? The price of a streaming subscription is going way up because the services were too inexpensive for too long. Internet companies thrive by undercutting the establishment on price. Netflix, Amazon and Google all offered products - be it TV, books or news - more cheaply than the legacy players. These low prices made their services popular, and some of the companies used that popularity to raise money during a time of low interest rates. They needed that money to fund unprofitable businesses. While this has been great for consumers, it couldn’t last forever..." From: Hollywood Strikes Are Over. Get Ready to Pay More for Less. Bloomberg
The video completely skipped the pressure from share-holders to produce profits/dividends every year and show they are growing both of those. This drives pricing far more than anything else.
Meanwhile in India, we can pay a Single Subscription to a Fiber Service like JioFiber or Airtel Xtreme and use 15 OTT platforms which is absolutely cheaper than paying them seperate
@@PHlophe in case of jio fiber we get unlimited data(internet acess) for a month or year whichever plan you chose and along with it we get around 10 to 15 OTT apps like prime video, netflix, disney plus, discovery plus etc... al at a cost of 1400 rupess which is around 15 dollar a month or around 150 dollars for 1 year( if you you purchased a yearly plan)
@@PHlophe Don't quote me on this but the Netflix India library alone is like 2x what we have here in the US. Including some classic movies like the entire Studio Ghibli collection. The other services cover a lot of HBO and Disney, and the Prime library is approximately the same except exponentially cheaper.
I have an Indian phone plan You get Disney, Hotstar (local service), Netflix and a bunch more with just your phone plan, which is less than 5usd a month
Yeah because ours is a third world, nation. People wouldn't care to buy a subscription of ott unless it is an absolute bargain. That is how jio is able to acquire the media services for much less. Meanwhile for europe and America ,they are the primary costumers....
I feel like the main problem is that you have to subsidize a lot of content you don’t need or want. With cable, you could pick your selection of channels, but now you also get Netflix’s ridiculous reality shows and gazillion of lookalike TV shows with repeated storylines. Maybe they should make less content and prioritize high-quality stuff? Here in Europe I can get a cinema subscription for $20 and gladly pay for it, as well as occasional cinema tickets when something is not screened with my provider, but I am sailing the high seas for TV shows at this point (I actually pay about $10 to a service provider for that because I can stream all high-quality TV shows with them with a convenient interface, so that money would have gone to Netflix or HBO if they offered a wider range of things to watch).
Lol just wait until the likes of Netflix follow Apple & co into wasting billions in TV rights for various sports despite not having a separate sub option to recoup the money like traditional cable did. It's already started with the £100m gimmick Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul fight that's on Netflix live for free.
I'd argue it was not that easy with TV channels. At least where I live they had those 2 strategies: 1) They'd bundle channels with similar topics together and you'd have to purchase access to them all, even if you were interested in just one or two. 2) They'd sort channels into tiers (like bronze, silver and gold). If you wanted a channel only accessible in the gold tier you'd also have to purchase access to all the ones in lower tiers even if you weren't interested. This is even worse than option 1 as you're forced to pay for more unwanted channels. To me it still looks like subsidizing content you don't want. For that to truly change they'd have to introduce paying for individual channels/shows which would likely increase the individual cost of them, just like today you can rent films for 48 h for 1/3 of what you pay for a monthly subscription. If you watch more than 3 films a month it's just cheaper to subscribe than rent individual copies.
@@sliwka_mirabelka what we pay has nothing to do with the costs of the programming nevertheless. It is pretty much a fixed cost plus whatever the licensing fees are. My argument is that they should just make less content. Nobody needs it.
@@witzigevideos9858 sadly would not help you as now you need a Russian bank account/credit card to pay for it. You might want to check Kinopub out though - not sure what it does, but I've heard good things.
Is streaming really expensive? Or are we just used to cheap prices? If you compare to how much a DVD costs or one cinema ticket, having a Netflix subscription is already worth after 2 movies per month. (Of course this calculation only works on movies you are not planning to watch again, which I think is true for most of the content)
I find it weird that you described subscription services as something you choose to "invest in". What is the return on this investment? Entertainment? Would you consider other forms of entertainment an investment?
The frustrating part is we had a solution to the problem until last year. The disc rental service from Netflix had most of the history of film and TV available all for one monthly fee that cost as much as one or two streaming subscriptions. Much of the library was available on Blu-Ray which has higher picture and audio quality than streaming too. There are a few alternate disc rental services available. I'm not sure any have the same size library, but I've thought about trying some of them out.
At the beginning of the streaming era there was Netflix. One Subscription for all (or most) Content. They offered a legal comfortable alternative to piracy. Now there are a dozen of streaming providers with limited content and reduced quality, if you don’t pay the most expensive plan. So, consumers who paid for Netflix in the past can either get Churners or get Pirates. As long as the streaming providers don’t introduce discounts for annual subscriptions, more and more people will Churn or share their access with Neighbors and friends with their home cinemas.
Would love to see a part two on comparing costs of seeing movies in say, 1980, compared with now. Most people I know go to the movies as a fun treat but it’s not a regular part of their life. Sometimes I wonder if streaming costs balance with cost of going to the movies, or in the 90s and 00s, buying or renting DVDs.
cancel them all and sail the high seas!
These services simply cannot compete with a $2/month vpn
Pirates ftw
hey all got greedy and took their content off Netflix. And now they will all collapse as these prices are living in a dream world. Almost everyone has gone back to piracy now
Have done so since January this year. All of them subscriptions. Which I had done it way earlier. Such a sense of relief & no more stress or disturbances!
That was a beautiful way to promote piracy
Cable pushed people to piracy. Streamers replaced cable. Go figure.
I’ve seen people calling out that we’d loop back to this like 10 years ago. Became clear soon as every license holder got greedy and wanted their own streaming service.
They better figure something out,
use their existing IP to sell some Merch or Tshirt,
or create a Worldwide event and charge entrance ticket,
build a secondary income source on top of their streaming platform.
they already did the hardest work which is lined up people into their platform,
people somehow accept streaming as a norm and oldie movie suddenly get relevancy again.
and now they're gonna ruin all of it, just because some company named Disney trying to rock the boat.
if they make their pricing inaccessible again, then all of that marketshare building will turn into a waste.
people will definitely go back to Piracy again.
And streaming is pushing 🏴☠️🦜🏴☠️
@@scoops2yep
Cancel all services and sail the high seas! ⛵️🏴☠️
Subscription fatigue is also a thing. Whether it's playing online, doing office work, reading an article, watching TV - (even cars are starting to do this), there's an ever growing list of companies that want more and more of your money.
It's death by a thousand cuts.
Bankrupcy by a thousand payments.
@@darksidegryphon5393 I like that, so true.
companies want to make more money. consumers want to save more money. it's a constant battle of greed. you just cant get around that
What is ironic is that people were saying that communism/socialism would take your stuff away and now capitalism is slowly forcing you to rent/subscribe to everything, so you don't own it.
Same with every company left and right creating their own phone apps in order to collect your personal info instead of just making a mobile friendly website you can visit with a web browser.
A long 6-minute video without a proper answer or conclusion to the question they asked. Perfect.
Every video review is nowadays like that!
@@cetateanturmentat1200he already answered it at the early part of the video.
Yeah, it's almost like they expect their audience to take in information, think for themselves, and then draw their own conclusion.
This video seems sponsored by streaming platforms
"Just keep subscribing to 10 different streaming platforms! It's an investment!" Absolutely delusional.
This video has a major flaw and completely ignores the fact that piracy exists. If things get too expensive and shows people wanna watch get split between multiple subscriptions, it's easier to just pirate it. Its not always a factor of money, but if a subscription to one service costs 100 a year, people will put up with it, if you need 10 subscriptions over different services, not only will it cost 1000, its also way more inconvenient. There's also the fact that subscription services make zero promise to keep their products up, which can lead to lost media.
Yeah piracy is a better product, one app /plateforme for them all. And for free
@@issonyt I often come across news about huge fines for downloading pirated versions of movies or TV series in different countries (mostly European). I'm not sure that piracy is everywhere equally easy and safe for your wallet
@@checktheneck yeah you need to be careful, use a vpn and voilà
@@checktheneckdepends if you download or streamed something. In Germany e.g. the majority of people in court went there for downloading, not streaming. Technically there is only a small difference but jurisdictional a huge
@@checktheneckthere are multiple ways of keeping yourself safe from copyright notices and all of them are cheaper than ad-supported tier from just 1 streaming service
Love the 'solutions' posed to the problem:
1: i just keep paying
2: i just keep paying...sometimes
Free movies can be rented from the library and streamed on Hoopla
Go to the public library and get free blue rays for the week
Serial churning is an easy solution and very cost effective. But people aren’t that smart
@@Homer-OJ-Simpsonit's wasting time and it's annoying... Especially when you can just pirate and have everything in one place for free
Serial churning sounds like it needs a lot of effort to keep track and everything.
If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing
If someone sells you something, with the implicit expectation that you will own that thing, but according to the seller.. you don't? well, that sounds like piracy to me. So no, we aren't pirates, we're privateers!
very original
if Renting isn't owning, then House invasion isn't stealing
We don't necessarily buying a product and owning them forever... We're technically paying for great service
We used to own most of our media. Streaming killed that off. You still have to the option to go buy any movie , or series on DVD or Blu-ray and it's yours forever.
This video just seems unfinished like it just ended without a proper conclusion in my opinion
Agreed !
A video about nothing
thanks im not gonna watch this useless yapping video
Ahoy brother! ⛵🏴☠️🦜
correct. its back to "you decide".
I moved away from home about 60km when I started uni. I couldn't use my parents' netflix account. So now I went back to piracy like many people. Greed brought it back
Streaming stopped Piracy. But greed brought it right back
So greedy companies brought back greedy consumers? The only losers are the filmmakers. RIP.
@@axa3687 The filmmakers are still being paid. It's the ridiculous greed of companies building out multi-billion dollar platforms in an over-saturated market that are going to lose out. Those platforms cost a ton of money to build, and the market simply cannot support so many
You think filmmakers were going broke for the 15 years that Netflix dominated streaming alone?
You think the Netflix originals made during that time were free?
Infinite growth is demanded, but just isn't possible.
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“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.” - Edward Abbey
Bros think population increases by 10% every year for real 💀💀💀
@@vitoc8454 that's a good one
Exactly
Pirating would feel so much worse if these companies didn’t treat their customers so poorly.
Paying for shows you don’t own is one thing; paying for artificially reduced quality or more ads than the free version? Without residuals? Why?
Exactly
I feel no guilt pirating from Disney or HBO max
It’s really that simple at least for me
Lol, these are multibillion-dollar companies with ped0s as heads. Zero sympathy at all.
the 20IQ 15yr old doesn’t know about serial churning Described in the video and just looking for excuses to be a criminal
@bigpurpleDics You didn’t even watch the video. It was never going to be profitable that cheap. Maybe watch the video next time first before leaving a comment
@@AlessandroPioltelli @bigpurpleDics You didn’t even watch the video. It was never going to be profitable that cheap. Maybe watch the video next time first before leaving a comment
You can get DVDs for $0.25 at the local thrift shop, makes more sense than paying so much for an ever inflated streaming subscription price... now with ads!
I've actually built back up my dvds and blu rays because so many streaming services were taking certain TV series off. I just got 20 dvds including box sets for a euro. Bargain I won't have to keep jumping from streaming service to streaming service for certain shows
Simple trick. Wait till your favourite shows have a completed season, or more then one show. Then join for a month and binge. Wait till another platform has accumulated other shows you like to watch. End the subscription of the first, and rejoin the other platform, and so on. That way, you get to watch all your shows at only one monthly fee. It’s saved me buckets of money over the years.
People don’t think ahead like this anymore 😂
Or just pirate
When it was only Netflix it made sense for people to subscribe to it, you could pay a small fee to have access to a huge ton of great shows and films. Now that every studio has its own (expensive) service, people will just go back to using torrents and piracy the way they used to. It's precisely why streaming has worked so well for music but not for Hollywood - with music, you can stream every song on every platform, and they compete on a quality basis, not a catalog basis.
Don't give them ideas!!
That's true for most countries except USA. If you check a random series it's high chance it will be available on Netflix everywhere in the world, but in the US it's on Hulu. Or Paramount. Or Peacock. It would be a great TH-cam video to explore why USA is so unique in this aspect.
Streaming hasn't worked for the musicians and bands though. They are paid a tiny tiny tiny amount per stream. I don't really know how professional musicians can make it anymore. The huge successful musicians can make it, but if you're an up and coming band then it's harder than ever out there right now.
@@MegaKiri11 Because most services aren't available outside the US
@@MegaKiri11 If you check a random series outside of USA you'll most probably find out that it isn't even available anywhere.
I pirated in the early 2000's because streaming didn't exist , then happily payed when that was available , now there is 50 different services, they all cost more and have a worse product I've started to pirate again, shrug , if its too annoying to pay I just wont...
This
Real Debrid?
VPN?
BTN
exactly this.
No doubt that within the next few years, some of these companies will enforce minimum subscription length requirements or a forced break after cancellations.
Is that you, Adobe?
Yep. Streaming contracts will become a thing. Or it'll make like phone plans, where you can get a monthly subscription for some ridiculous price that becomes industry standard... or, you can get your old price if you sign up for a year (what a deal!!)! smh
Simple, support smaller businesses
Some almost do this already by offering discounts for yearly subscriptions (like Mubi).
don’t give em ideas
this guy just said paying for all the streaming services at the same time is an "investment"
🤢
Only one way, into the streaming company's pocket. The subscriber never gets any of this money back
Obey, don't think
He said he works in the film industry. This is not likely an investment for most people, decide for yourself what the value is to you.
Yeah any credibility was immediately lost for me at that point.
What bugs me is that you pay for each streaming platform and then they STILL put commercials inside the episodes. Like, why am I paying for this? It’s like watching free TH-cam at this point…
The thing is TH-cam has a skip button after five seconds in most cases... now take paramount + they will run 120 seconds of ads every 10 minutes.. such greedy ad revenue for a mediocre service
just get an addblock for youtube
What's weird is that platforms put up adverts for themselves. Like Freevee. Every advert is for Freevee. I'm already watching!
THIS
How are you still doing this? Genuinely interested @@Sogger2Agahim
why didn’t this video talk about piracy? seems like a giant piece of the story that was completely left out
i agree i feel the same way
oh you know why
Because it's Vox.
In what way? As a result? Or a cause? Tbh I would urge you to do some research into piracy numbers and legit streaming sub numbers and compare those. Piracy isn't the cause for the higher cost. It merely is a result. Streaming lost their only positive: it being cheap. Result: piracy...
@@AnoshterHaar yeah and horrible movies... in Piracy I find the classics and also movies from China which are fun too
we've gone full circle back to the early 2000s
The 90's and early 2000's were the glory days/
Well, except the internet is faster 😅
piracy is easier than ever before though. Curious to see what the consequence of that is.
@mono, no we haven’t Mrs 20IQ. 20 years ago you paid the equivalent of $100 to get those channels, had to sign a contract, and pay at least $100 in set up fee…and little “on demand” so you had to record it when it actually came on. Today I have far more content and more quality content paying $20-$30 a month. I just rotate my services on occasion.
@@Homer-OJ-Simpson i think they mean "paying to be a legal consumer is such an awful experience, that piracy is preferable"
lol i feel like the video asked the question “now what?” and the video ended and its still “now what?”
Usually the case with these vain videos on here and TikTok, they need the clicks on their title and interactions in the comments. They don't actually mean to discuss any kind of solution or even care about the problem.
@@FunnieApple i love vox. i think they do an excellent job most times. this one was a miss tho which was the only reason why i commented lol it seems they made a video to make a video which seems like a waste of a few $$ they could have put towards something more enlightening
@@fakenames7065 Feels like the topic was just an afterthought after reading an email for a sponsor.
@@FunnieApple What are these kind of topics usually called aside from clickbaits?
Seems like Vox is now just resting on it's laurels, and is now a glorified chatgpt TTS
We live in an era where there's a million subscription services for everything. Even apps on your phone aren't one time payments anymore. We keep this up and we'll see it fall back down. When people get tired of paying subscriptions, they will sell the solution: what we already had.
Physical media will make a return. I can see people coming up with new ideas for how that looks. There's still a large appeal to owning things digitally, even though you don't actually OWN it and it's reliant on the upkeep of the services those digital items are on. You can watch anywhere, on any device. You don't have to physically put something in. It saves physical space. But all at the cost of it not being guaranteed.
I like buying copies with digital codes so I have both. I think we'll see more of that somehow as time goes on.
You've forgotten another option: sailing the high seas, and become free. Cost is way lower, and depending on your needs you might just use a laptop o desktop; without the need for a dedicated media server
there are still many Bays out there to be discovered ⛵
Ay, ay, captain!!
I canceled my Netflix subscription, that's what
Cancelled Netflix, too.
Been a year since I cancelled
Same
same, 3 years ago
Same..
The best thing about Netflix was that you could watch all the good shows on the same subscription plan. Companies saw that and as always, looked past what made Netflix so attractive in the first place: Convenience. The new race to essentially "re-invent" cable by basically trying to launch their own "Netflix" has just split the content across the web. I'm pretty sure there was an instance of Season 1 of a show being on HBO and Season 2,3 being on some other service entirely. Good one team, y'all just made cable 2.0
Look at the official guide where to watch Pokémon seasons, you have ti switch streaming services for basically every season
@smoche
The point of streaming was to become cable 2.0. The advertisers were upset that we were skipping the commercials on the DVR so they decided to fix that. The people got hooked on streaming and the companies increased the price of streaming, that’s always been the business model. I still have cable with my DVR.
The official Pokemon website has a streaming viewing guide. It's split across EIGHT DIFFERENT STREAMING PLATFORMS. I think the minimum to watch everything was 3 or 4 platforms. Streaming has become incredibly inconvenient
Netflix and other streaming services are good for binge watching, or at least that's how I use it. I only subscribe to them if there are enough movies I want to watch. I don't want to waste my subscription money if I end up not watching anything. So after I'm done binging every movie or series I'm interested in, just immediately cancel them. My concurrent subscriptions are never longer than a month.
@@giantsr1eva Still having cable isnt something you should brag about.
If I am willing to wait a year, my local library has all the newest movies and many of the favorite streaming TV shows. All free. Only cost is a blu ray DVD player.
Many libraries also make use of Kanopy to provide streaming services
Truth! My local library is better than when the Blockbusters were still around!
Don't know where you live, but in some countries libraries have a streaming service (free or really cheap) so no need for Bluray player 😉
If you were smart you'd buy a BluRay ripper and make digital copies for yourself
Just pirate everything. No ads, Higher quality, everything on the same app, permanent offline content. Forgotten content, content not available in your country.
Except if everyone pirates stuff, people will have no money for making it.
“If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”
That's a ridiculous statement, proper tortured logic that is invented just for people to justify that they pirate.
Nobody has ever thought they "owned" any shows they paid for via streaming. It was always clear you're just buying access to the content, not the content itself.
@@jmckendry84 it's not ridiculous, it is out of place.. this statement emerged against ubisoft after trying to remove games from online stores after players bought them at full price.
@jmckendry84 the problem is the norm of digital bought content is you pay for a license, so you don't own it. Obviously people who think streaming should amount to owning are mentally challenged. But buying a digital movie should = owning the thing.
Ahoy maties, tell me what seas we be sailing today??
Keep begging @Tiger10002
@Tiger10002 lies. spammer scammer.
Instead of acting like pirates, yall should act like you’re robbing a store
@@OttophilHAHA someones mad, just keep paying them while we get them for free.
Someone has to pay for our sailing. Thank you sir @@Ottophil
Blows my minds that somw people are willing to pay to watch ads.
Majority of people will take whatever corporations throw at them. Thats why Netflix password crackdown was so successful if we are to believe Netflix data and others like Prime Video, Disney+ are following it.
Then again people paid for cable in the past to watch ads so…
Theoretically the reason is because “the subscription price isn’t high enough”
It's not all that mind blowing. That's how it was/is with cable. You paid and still got ads. Ads are a subsidizer. That's it. They help remove some or all of the cost from you as the consumer. That's all they are. They're not a fix all for the cost of producing something. The amount the subsidize depends on the amount you have to see.
All that being said, the current prices *with* the current ad situation just equals greediness. Prices should've went down when ads were introduced, not stayed the same or in some cases, increased. I definitely don't see a world where ads-only completely finance a company like Netflix, but I can see one where there is a budget friendly ad option that comes with ads and reduces the main price.
That’s what cable was for like 40 years or whatever. Plus you couldn’t watch what you wanted whenever you wanted. Plus you couldn’t sign up or cancel whenever you wanted
Why? If you rarely use your subscription, that is the smartest way to go.
Looks like I’m gonna keep being told that Anna is 2 miles away 🤷♀️
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Anna is single go get her tiger 😂
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Same 😭🤣🤣
"Anna (Go to him)," as the Beatles used to sing.
Thank you for not dragging this out over a 20 minute video, and providing the relevant information in a digestible way
I have Netflix, Disney + and Prime Video. Following this, turned out I am a churner for Netflix and Prime but I have a year subcription with Disney +.
Great content!
Your local library has a lot of viewing options too
Trueeee this is so true ive seen a LOT TO WATCH THERE!
This is true for a few
Kanopy ftw!
what's a local library?
@@lazyboy300 a local library is a place where you can get a free id and rent books,computers for free use and movies by DVD
Yeah not worth it. As long as it’s released on streaming platforms, it’ll be available for free online
@Tiger10002 what has the 20k to do with ur camera.... grow up kid.... do some real work
and make ur parents proud
@Tiger10002That's not the way this works. Create interesting content and hit the numbers by working for them. I won't even look at channels begging to watch or subscribe.
@Tiger10002disliked.
@@susanne5803it’s a bot just report it.
@@ashishhandique4391don't interact with bots
I find it very ironic that streaming platforms as a concept started with being able to enjoy media on demand *without ads*. And now it's neither on demand nor without ads
Not quite. As this video points out, Hulu has always had an ad supported tier. Plus, speaking personally, one of the main ways I've used streaming over the last twenty years is to watch broadcast network shows, which become available to stream on their websites (free with ads) the day after they air.
I believe they never cared about if the consumers had an honest cheaper alternative in the long run, the board directors just want to grow big enough to go IPO if not big enough to liquidate the company as private equity.
Same as the electric car/whatever fad, some companies are literally made to exploit FOMO investors and ghost them.
I guarantee you that the next big thing these subscription services will implement is contracts. Sign up for a year at a lower price than monthly subscriptions and they we're back to cable again full circle.
It literally became cable TV without the box :/
Cable 2.0, that's for sure.
Only thing missing is hundreds of channels for different genres of music and adding $40/month more to the price so we can subsidize some content for sports fans.
I always sail the sea. Nothing beats a 4k hdr Blu-ray rip
Agreed hope I'm not the only one who buys them so they keep getting made in the first place
remember to check you local library first, you can rent shows and movies for free and stream on sites like Hoopla. I am all for sailing the sea but supporting the library also supports good art.
Any recommendations? I usually don't see places on the seas with 4k options
@@Sellsor FMHY
The actual blu-ray does (though I'd typically not watch from the disc, to preserve it. Just have it, to own the movie/show, and watch a rip) ...but a lot of streamed content, doesn't get released on physical media, so there the only option is pirating it.
How can someone with a full-time job (and life) have time to watch all five streaming services? I barely manage to watch one or two series in a month. In summer probably even less.
I was wondering the same thing
schizophrenia
they don't most of these services don't' even produce one good show every 6 months.
@@dschonsie :))))))))))))
If their career involved watching lots of TV maybe? Even then yeah I can't justify full price for all the services
I used to pay for Netflix. But I realized that I was still pirating most of the time because Netflix (in Sweden) never had the shows or movies I wanted to watch, even when it was available on Netflix US. I canceled it and haven’t looked back since. Sail the high seas!
Några tips på vad man bör eller inte bör göra?
@@zeroheroes4081 ladda aldrig ner filmerna. Som jag har förstått så är det lagligt att streama filmer från sidor men man får inte ladda ner till datorn/enhet. Men lagarna ändras då och då så det kanske är annorlunda nu.
You haven't used a VPN?
@@jessy1982 free vpns rarely work or are fast enough. I had a paid VPN (included in my Norton subscription) and it wasn’t always working either. Having to pay for a separate service just to make Netflix (which I’m already paying for) work is unreasonable. Even in perfect conditions and without geoblocking I still wouldn’t be able to watch everything I wanted because not everything is on Netflix. Being a pirate however, I just need to visit one url and I have everything ready.
@@zeroheroes4081 jellyfin server som inte är publik på webben, wireshark för att ansluta till ditt hemmanätverk när du inte är hemma.
simple dude, wait until the season of the series you want is over, and then you get a monthly rent record the episodes with OBS and then you sell cheap copies in dvd for 2 dollar/copy to your neighbors, you can't share passwords but you can share copies.
I’m a CHURNER! Something I discovered on my own. 1. I’m going to subscribe when ALL TV episodes of a show I want to follow are available. 2. Some channels just over stay their welcome. And 3. Some aren’t worth subscribing to, and with my base channel, Prime TV, I can initially have a free trail period of about one week then decide if it will become one of my “churn” stations.
The fact you're referring to them as channels really hits home, to me, that this is just cable 2.0
Cable was awful. I don't want to go back to that
Some of these streaming services wont even let you see their library unless you have an active sub. So how do you plan to know if all the episodes are available?
Video streaming is a total failure. On music apps like Spotify, Apple, etc, we have almost all music in one app, for a cheap price. With video, you have to pay for several apps, if you want the sama catalog. I miss the times where I could find all movies at the rental store close to my house. It had everything.
Music is relatively cheap to produce and people are willing to listen over and over
@@SuperPlayzfound the trump supporter
@@NunoFilipe99 pardon?
@@SuperPlayz duh everybody knows that ''music is cheap to produce'' is a typic trump supporter mindset !
@@benjaminhamel5280damn I can’t believe I got caught like that
In short, it's the same reason everything else goes bad. It had to find infinite growth from a finite resource, so of course it had to put the squeeze on existing customers eventually.
Greed. Bottomless, unrelenting greed.
My public library offers movies, films, documentaries, kids movies and how-to videos. Completely free.
They aren't really free, though.
The library has purchased the items through tax money and donations.
The items are for the benefit of the public.
Some super-popular items may have long wait lines though, and I do see the benefit in buying the item outright or paying for a service long-term.
If you live in the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, your library may be affiliated with hoopla, a website that offers free streaming of certain shows and films, in addition to e-books, audiobooks, and music.
Hoopla wants a credit card number for access. That’s not technically free. And there’s a limit of five a month. You only watch five things a month? Not much of an alternative to me. Streaming came into being because cable got ridiculously expensive and forced you to pay for a hundred channels you were never going to watch. Eventually something new will come around that gives people a better choice too. It’s just the waiting is the hardest part. Said Tom petty. I hate the amount of ads they employ now so you have to pay more for ad free or ads less. Their holding a gun to our heads so we give them our money. It’s a soft gun, but it’s still coercion just the same. That’s robbery, slightly different from piracy. Piracy is stealing but not using a weapon. Of course the law is not on your w. It protects the big business and craps on individuals. I don’t recommend piracy I just hate being taken advantage of.
@@dancotterman1267 we have to wait for these studios to realize that most of them don't have enough content to justify having their own streaming service, and that buying into something collective like Hulu would be better for all of them. Pretty much the only studio who can justify having its own streaming service is Disney, and even they're losing money.
Yeah but you can rarely access it. It’s always in use by another library member.
The only advantage over cable left is that you don't have to wait for a set time to watch a show when it premieres (or record it with a VCR or DVR). The only content that needs to be watched live is mainly sports (and kind of news).
I like how they left out the actors strike where they now get residuals of everything that's played on the streaming services
Streaming became free. They cancelled one too many shows halfway through, not enabling that. Torrent here I come
yeah
It looks like I will start reading novels again.
The only real answer here 😆
Oh no! Sounds horrible!
There's a secret third option actually🏴☠️
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With the exception of TH-cam, I don't believe in streaming. I like to download and listen, or watch locally off my own drive. I miss Netflix's Blu-ray mailing program.
I've been a churner from before the pandemic and have never paid for cable and dish. I'm 35 and it's so strange to think back to my childhood memories of TV and the ads. Ads are not the same these days and it's part of the reason I churn, paying g for ad-free.
When piracy is so much easier, free and often better quality I really don't see the point in all these services. They're supposed to make things easier and better for a price but they're just doing the opposite :/
Also it doesn't even feel like one is "supporting the industry" by subscribing since we know that the lion's share of revenue goes into the pockets of executives and shareholders instead of the people who actually make these shows
I believe they never cared about if the consumers had an honest cheaper alternative in the long run, the board directors just want to grow big enough to go IPO if not big enough to liquidate the company as private equity.
Same as the electric car/whatever fad, some companies are literally made to exploit FOMO investors and ghost them.
Yep, they’ll eventually price themselves out of the market
when services become unreasonable, people turn to pirating until something better comes along
Here's how to make these companies stop: Don't use it or pay them a cent. -Sail the seas.- Buy the physical copy.
But what if they don't sell it physically? I can't buy Stranger Things or Severance as a Blu-Ray.
There are some shows, like Doc, that you can't buy physical copies of. What do you do then?
Exactly this!
yes
@@hejrafa at that point... might be worth making your own physical copies of some things.
"If only there was a way to enjoy shows without having to pay companies ludicrous amounts of money a month!"
Piracy: *Mercy from Overwatch reaching out with her hand*
$15 is ludicrous for you. 😂
"There are so many great things to watch" - are you sure about that? Enjoyed She-Hulk, did you?
Yeah, they just undercut cable to make it go out of business, and now BAM, they can raise prices to ACTUALLY cover the costs it takes. Cable, but without the regulations and worker protections!
EXACTLY, people seem to always forget about all of the regulations, protections, and union contracts these streaming services have been able to weasel themselves out of with no checks on their growing power.
It's almost as if they copied the Uber model. Or basically all tech bros just copy each other's model - which is this.
@@FunnieApple That's a good thing. Streaming is much better than cable ever was.
Cable was always trying to trick you with the contracts and hidden fees
@@8isOnly as long as cable was competition. Now that people are locked in, we are seeing it steadily get worse.
Literally just steal it. I haven't paid for a subscription service in years I torrent all my shows. It's so easy and nobody can take it from my hard drive
salute!
Where do u find torrents that aren’t viruses lol
Well, technically, they can. They just need a warrant.
@@thedarkdot2977 used to use rarbg, it went down, now 1337x
@@thedarkdot2977 this isn't kazaa. I've never had issues finding clean torrents
Most comments mention the piracy, which is strongly despised by media companies. But I think the piracy's model of distribution should actually be embraced by those companies, because it dramatically reduces costs.
Streaming services are centralized so they need super expensive servers and thousands of programmers, middle managers and upper managers. But to provide seamless experience they also need CDNs and edge servers, which further raises costs. And when multiple streaming companies exists, each needs its own expensive infrastructure while capturing only some users. So currently we're multiplying costs and dividing income - not very sustainable.
On the other hand, in piracy's distribution model everything is distributed. Storage consists of inexpensive home servers which are also used for other purposes, you CDN is your country's or even city's network. Your edge server is at your own or neighbor's home. So when you and your partner want to watch the same thing but at different times, data doesn't need to be transferred twice, because it can be temporarily stored locally. And there are no CEO's or managers to be payed.
If someone could embrace that model while fairly compensating media creators (and only them, not tens of CEO's alongside) then costs for users will be low and no laws broken.
Decentralized socialized media
Many people still don't realize that the libraries of america offer free movies and tv shows to rent and stream on sites like hoopla. Support local libraries!!
I agree this to me is part of why it's harder for shows to become super popular because there's 10+ services, it's hard for a show to be popular outside the service because not everyone has said service and they don't advertise new shows.
Like if a new show is on Hulu, but it's hard for those without a Hulu subscription to watch it without piracy.
I do hope for a method where people can pay less to access all these services but as long as they desire their own netflix, it will likely not happen. The only way it can happen is if the streaming bubble bursts and they have to work together to find a new distribution model. I wonder if the bubble could burst if enough people cancel subscriptions and streamers not being able to churn out hits.
In this model, where does the cash that compensates media creators come from?
@@RossOzarka perhaps the aspect of piracy that's appealing is having media from different companies and the latest hit shows in one place versus having to pay for multiple services to watch the latest stuff and back catalogies from big companies. The free part would certainly not be embraced by companies, nor will this compensate creators. Rather the desire has to be to pay less to access all this stuff. To have one platform to watch this stuff and for companies to work to make these shows available elsewhere so they can make more money off it.
6:13 I find it a bit weird but so cool at the same time how I get how SZA feels. Like EXACTLY how she feels. Being an artist and having a track out that you don't really feel like that which got people in theirs feels is a very intriguing experience. You want to apologise almost - not for making the song because a lot of the time the process was enjoyable, cathartic etc, but more for not being able to like the song with your supports and fans alike. You can't bond over it which, as the song's literal maker, feels nearly like living in cellophane in that you can see everything going on outside but can't participate or even think straight over the loud crinkling of what separates you from the outside world.
Here’s something people in the UK might not have considered: In 1946 they introduced the tv license, which we have to pay if you own a TV irrespective of whether you watch BBC or not.
This funded the BBC who did not rely on advertising for revenue. Later channels like ITV(1955) and Channel 4(1982) had adds.
So you could argue that subscription based tv has been around for longer than we think.
just pirate it all ?
stealing is not good maybe
Piracy isn't stealing @@shivambinge
@@shivambinge if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
@@lukkkasz323 but production house work very hard for the money and you pirating it all makes it you dont respect people hard work.
@@shivambingeTry before you buy, if the film is actually good I'll buy a dvd of it after I pirate it to support the filmmakers.
Torrent: "You couldn't live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Back to me?"
Even better cached torrents on Real Debrid.
Facts
based.
Here's your regular reminder that public libraries exist and lend out plenty of dvds and blurays -- so long as your tastes lean old enough
It doesn’t solve the issue of platform-specific content, but libraries are an awesome resource and we need to keep using them if we want them to stick around.
Vox is great... but how did the word "piracy" not come up here once? It's an important part of this ecosystem.
Where are my physical media people at?
Right here buddy!
Locked up inside Jurassic Park I figure
20th century called, they want their format back
They can pry my DVDs from my cold, dead hands. I get great quality, bonus features, and guarantee that some company can't just decide that they don't want me to have it and take it away
fossilized
If what you buy over the internet isn't owning the content, then 'borrowing' the content isn't stealing.
That's not how that works lol come on now, we may be pirates, but that doesn't mean we can't be honest pirates
@@ShaneTheBaneI pirate absolutely shamelessly, unless it's a small creator, and that applies to everything starting with game devs and ending with content creators those clowns at the top aren't entitled to 1 CENT of my hard earned money, shouldn't be yours either
@@XD-bx6ee sure. I'm all for pirating, as my comment should suggest. Just saying, pirating isn't "owning" something without permission, making it where if a company claims buying something digital doesn't mean you own it so that means downloading the stuff from shady sites means it's not pirating, because according to the company, you don't "own" it. No lol. Pirating is just using stuff without permission. Ownership has nothing to do with it, so the original commenter is wrong when they're saying it's not pirating/stealing. It still is lol and I'm all for it. That's why I said lets be honest with ourselves and what we are doing
It’s copyright infringement not stealing. It never was stealing. Mainly the people doing it reference stealing by exclaiming that it’s not stealing. The copyright owners know it’s copyright infringement.
@@mynameisben123 it is stealing. You are taking something that you do not have permission to take. It's all of the above, stealing, copyright infringement, and piracy. However, it's only copyright infringement for the one distributing it. If you're just streaming/downloading it and using it for your own personal use, it is not copyright infringement, just piracy.
Under US law, copyright infringement only has these things fall under it: copying, distributing, publicly performing or transmitting, publicly displaying, and making derivative works. So you streaming it in your bedroom, alone, does none of these.
The whole model of streaming is being more convenient that piracy... once that no longer holds true....
You can stream torrents, so piracy was always more convenient.
5:11 fun fact: this is why some shows have mid season breaks, to keep people from unsubscribing or at least making it a task to do twice per year instead of once.
We're going to see a boom of piracy much like the 2008-2013 years. Streaming was supposed to be the affordable and accessible platform but now it's just cable with extra steps. I've been hopping around platforms since late 2022 and it does save a lot of money.
Vox becoming like netflix: Pointless. You couldn’t even answer your own question in the video title.
Get a blu ray player and go straight to your local library to check out DVDs and blu ray discs.
Yes! Also Lobby, Hoopla, and other free apps
Libby*
Our library charges 2€ to rent a movie for a week. That’s a bit too expensive imo…
@@erbsenkaffee8720 renting it on amazon for 24hrs costs more than that 🤷
@@erbsenkaffee8720 Your library is not a library.
Now what? Yo ho, yo ho, ☠️ 🚢
@Tiger10002 untrue, you scammer spammer.
@@eyespliced don't engage, report for spam and carry on
sail down to your local library where you can rent movies and shows for free and stream them on sites like hoopla
The people in this video probably make more than most the people in the United States. Find a person to narrate or tell the story that really can't afford to stream all those channels and I will show you a person that knows how to sail the high seas.
"Churning" is really the only way to go about it. If someone were subscribed to all of those services at the same time but were only watching one program on one service all month, they were throwing their money away.
Plan what you want to watch, subscribe to the one service until you're done watching it, cancel, and move on to the next. I only had a subscription to whatever HBO called its app at the time for two months out of the year to watch Game of Thrones. I had Paramount for a couple months to watch Star Trek then canceled it. Currently watching Grey's Anatomy on Netflix.
"Password sharing" is a poorly defined term by NETFLIX. Many people have kids in college, for example. It is the same household where members do not share the same address all the time.
you're sharing your account with others by sharing the password.... what's so poorly defined about it?
I think the point is there are different type of password sharing: e.g. sharing Netflix account with different families, sharing with your kids in colleges. I hope Netflix can do something to at least allow the 2nd type@@xynyde0
They defined it as the same physical network. College students away from home do not count. They don't care if it's the same family, they want the additional signups
@@mikea5745 Exactly!
I won't sail the high seas but I also won't be held hostage, either. I cancelled most and right now am only keeping one.
0:37 *cues the jack sparrow end credits cut to black and music*
Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
I didn't know that it had a name for it, but I was a "churner" since the beginning, and then started sailing the high seas.
I remember 15 years ago when I paid 35$ for my TV service, which is now 50$ when adjusted for inflation. That was with 15 minutes of ads for 1-hour shows.
Paying for a couple of services still seems worth it to me. Plus, there's Tubi and Pluto which are free with ads.
Sail the high seas like the old days
What now? Yarr! Captain Jack Sparrow
- Now what?
- Yarr 🏴☠
I cancelled my cable tv service in 2023 and bought an amazon fire cube. I then cancelled several apps/channels that I was not watching very often. Finally, I bought a Motorola modem and returned my Comcast modem. I have not signed up for a live tv streaming service such as Sling TV, TH-cam TV, etc. Because of these steps I am saving approximately $100.00 a month vs what I was paying when I had cable.
I'm curious to see what streaming will be like 2 years from now.
An interesting article to look up.
"Every streaming service is raising prices. How come?
The price of a streaming subscription is going way up because the services were too inexpensive for too long.
Internet companies thrive by undercutting the establishment on price. Netflix, Amazon and Google all offered products - be it TV, books or news - more cheaply than the legacy players. These low prices made their services popular, and some of the companies used that popularity to raise money during a time of low interest rates. They needed that money to fund unprofitable businesses.
While this has been great for consumers, it couldn’t last forever..."
From:
Hollywood Strikes Are Over. Get Ready to Pay More for Less.
Bloomberg
The video completely skipped the pressure from share-holders to produce profits/dividends every year and show they are growing both of those.
This drives pricing far more than anything else.
Meanwhile in India, we can pay a Single Subscription to a Fiber Service like JioFiber or Airtel Xtreme and use 15 OTT platforms which is absolutely cheaper than paying them seperate
What do you get as part of the bundle.
@@PHlophe in case of jio fiber we get unlimited data(internet acess) for a month or year whichever plan you chose and along with it we get around 10 to 15 OTT apps like prime video, netflix, disney plus, discovery plus etc... al at a cost of 1400 rupess which is around 15 dollar a month or around 150 dollars for 1 year( if you you purchased a yearly plan)
@@PHlophe Don't quote me on this but the Netflix India library alone is like 2x what we have here in the US. Including some classic movies like the entire Studio Ghibli collection. The other services cover a lot of HBO and Disney, and the Prime library is approximately the same except exponentially cheaper.
I have an Indian phone plan
You get Disney, Hotstar (local service), Netflix and a bunch more with just your phone plan, which is less than 5usd a month
Yeah because ours is a third world, nation. People wouldn't care to buy a subscription of ott unless it is an absolute bargain. That is how jio is able to acquire the media services for much less.
Meanwhile for europe and America ,they are the primary costumers....
I feel like the main problem is that you have to subsidize a lot of content you don’t need or want. With cable, you could pick your selection of channels, but now you also get Netflix’s ridiculous reality shows and gazillion of lookalike TV shows with repeated storylines. Maybe they should make less content and prioritize high-quality stuff? Here in Europe I can get a cinema subscription for $20 and gladly pay for it, as well as occasional cinema tickets when something is not screened with my provider, but I am sailing the high seas for TV shows at this point (I actually pay about $10 to a service provider for that because I can stream all high-quality TV shows with them with a convenient interface, so that money would have gone to Netflix or HBO if they offered a wider range of things to watch).
Lol just wait until the likes of Netflix follow Apple & co into wasting billions in TV rights for various sports despite not having a separate sub option to recoup the money like traditional cable did. It's already started with the £100m gimmick Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul fight that's on Netflix live for free.
I'd argue it was not that easy with TV channels. At least where I live they had those 2 strategies:
1) They'd bundle channels with similar topics together and you'd have to purchase access to them all, even if you were interested in just one or two.
2) They'd sort channels into tiers (like bronze, silver and gold). If you wanted a channel only accessible in the gold tier you'd also have to purchase access to all the ones in lower tiers even if you weren't interested. This is even worse than option 1 as you're forced to pay for more unwanted channels.
To me it still looks like subsidizing content you don't want. For that to truly change they'd have to introduce paying for individual channels/shows which would likely increase the individual cost of them, just like today you can rent films for 48 h for 1/3 of what you pay for a monthly subscription. If you watch more than 3 films a month it's just cheaper to subscribe than rent individual copies.
Hey, could you share the name of the service? :)
@@sliwka_mirabelka what we pay has nothing to do with the costs of the programming nevertheless. It is pretty much a fixed cost plus whatever the licensing fees are. My argument is that they should just make less content. Nobody needs it.
@@witzigevideos9858 sadly would not help you as now you need a Russian bank account/credit card to pay for it. You might want to check Kinopub out though - not sure what it does, but I've heard good things.
Is streaming really expensive? Or are we just used to cheap prices? If you compare to how much a DVD costs or one cinema ticket, having a Netflix subscription is already worth after 2 movies per month. (Of course this calculation only works on movies you are not planning to watch again, which I think is true for most of the content)
More financial sustainability means more vivid yielding, get more people access to streaming TV and alternative price strategy are always the key.
I find it weird that you described subscription services as something you choose to "invest in". What is the return on this investment? Entertainment? Would you consider other forms of entertainment an investment?
The frustrating part is we had a solution to the problem until last year. The disc rental service from Netflix had most of the history of film and TV available all for one monthly fee that cost as much as one or two streaming subscriptions. Much of the library was available on Blu-Ray which has higher picture and audio quality than streaming too. There are a few alternate disc rental services available. I'm not sure any have the same size library, but I've thought about trying some of them out.
Public libraries and their free dvds and even library apps like hoopla are always an option. Most underrated public service imo
5 downloads Max a month which is reasonable
At the beginning of the streaming era there was Netflix. One Subscription for all (or most) Content. They offered a legal comfortable alternative to piracy.
Now there are a dozen of streaming providers with limited content and reduced quality, if you don’t pay the most expensive plan. So, consumers who paid for Netflix in the past can either get Churners or get Pirates. As long as the streaming providers don’t introduce discounts for annual subscriptions, more and more people will Churn or share their access with Neighbors and friends with their home cinemas.
Would love to see a part two on comparing costs of seeing movies in say, 1980, compared with now. Most people I know go to the movies as a fun treat but it’s not a regular part of their life. Sometimes I wonder if streaming costs balance with cost of going to the movies, or in the 90s and 00s, buying or renting DVDs.