Dirt Daily. My 1960’s Land Rover Series 2 109 wagon walk around
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- My grandfather had a Land Rover when he was in Africa and I think it would be neat to fix up an old Land Rover as a fun trail truck. Today Ill do a walk around on this unfinished project I decided to take on.
"Grover" - a combo of Grandpa and Rover
"Bring back... a shrubbery!" 2nd the vote on a 300cid ford. Torquey and reliable. Esp the fuel injected ones.
Perfect nickname would be “Gramps”!
That is an awesome project! Keep everything that makes it look Land Rover.....throw everything else in the trash where it belongs! Complete new/used reliable drivetrain but keep a diesel under the bonnet!
I had a '52 Land Rover named Gramps . . .
Or maybe "Grampy" y'know, like "Clampy"
Amazing….. We have always had a Larry in our family, they are totally always braking down but that’s why we love them…. 😂 Great show and BIG thanks for all the knowledge 🤙
Just seen this video. Congratulations on joining the world of land rover ownership 🙂
Lovely colour and very cool.
That will be an awesome project. I can't wait to see all of the work done to it. Keep it simple 35's and not crazy. Keep the old school look.
Fun Fact: Contrary to what Fred says in the video, the bodywork is actually "Aluminium"
Actually it’s “birmabright” combination of aluminium and various other alloys.
@@abeld.4008 Very interesting, I'd always wondered how they didn't just rot away, being aluminum.
Fred is Rocking the Mullet
Best of luck on "Project Grandpa". 🤟😎🤘
I so get it. My first J20 project was to honor my dad's 76 J20 I grew up riding in. In the blizzard of '78, he pulled a Skool bus out of a ditch. Life lasting memory.
Now you’re talking!!! coolest!
Make it yours
Dude, you probably have everything you need laying around your place, recycle, repurpose and revive!
Today I would say a Mercedes OM606 straight 6 turbo diesel, five speed standard, atlas transfer case, trophy truck suspension with air bags on 37’s to make it look like a Dakar Rally rig, big rack on the roof, spare fuel on the rear bumper and a tire on the hood
OM617 is a straight 5, OM616 is a straight 4, not sure what (if it exists) the straight 6 MB diesel is called.
They are a pain to install as they don't clear the axle without a bunch of work. LS is almost bolt in.
@@BoredoldPunk I just found out it’s called the OM606
@@xozindustries7451 cool, so weird that the engine model numbers in MB seem to go down, my OM616 is from the 70's
Also if you're keeping the rover transfer case its super easy to put land cruiser axles in as they're passenger drop and fit nicely, and you get lockers, disc brakes etc.
You can put Toy 8" centers straight into the LR axle housings, if you want. A lot less work. Or you can just build the LR centers and they are as strong as built Toys. The axles he has are disc brake already.
Someone else suggested Grover for grandpa and rover. Add Sir for the British flavor, and then take Sir Grover and your Red Headed lady on an adventure, but don't forget Baxter and Batman.
Chevy straight six! In NZ and Australia thousands of land rovers got straight 6 GM engines made by Holden. Run sweet as a nut and have okay power and good torque for the weight of the old LR's
Awesome truck!!!! Good luck with the project and looking forward to watching the progress
Im actually building a series 3 109. Mines getting a 300tdi 2.5 liter out a 97 discovery not very powerful though. Its getting 105 series land cruiser diffs wich are nearly identical to the 80 series land cruiser diffs pretty popular over hear in Australia. It'll get 37s and im using the disco automatic and lt230. One word of advice if you do end up using the lt230 just make sure you check what ratios you have in there as a lot where NOT 1:1 IN high range they were higher ratio (geared lower) as they had something like 3.7:1 in factory diffs. Other than that there is a lot available for them and are pretty stout unit. Cant wait to see the build it'll give me some more push to get mine on /off the road.
Doorman 2.8. Jeep commonrail. Inline 6 would be awesome but you will need to move the grill forward. It looks awesome when you do by the way. No LS. No cummins. Normal folks can't afford one. We use salvage yard engines or buy complete donar trucks. There are tins of really good wheeling inline 6 cylinders for 300, jeep 258 and 4.0. Several fj40 straight 6's including the 4.2 vortex monster. Consider the 302 ford. It's very compact has a fr8nt dist (no beating in the firewall) and can be had with junkyard zf-5spd t-18 or np435.
Came on here to say a ford 300 inline six with a 5 speed I'm glad I wasn't the only one
Feeling clampys presence!
Ford 300 6 is a tork monster and it's simple. Also very hard to kill.
Hey Fred, I've got a 1960 LR109 too that my current direction will be swapping everything from a 1984 Toyota 4wd 22r rolled rock crawler. Let me know if you want my complete period correct gas drivetrain. (dude you can have it, I've enjoyed your content for years!)
So many options! Personally I would put a military leaf spring chassis back under it, (2" lift built into the hangers) with rocky mountain parabolics, keep the TDI engine (if that is what it is), fit a part time 2wd conversion to the transfer box (Ashcroft transmissions) and run 33's with a Dana 60 axle out of a series III 109. Then change my mind halfway through the process... And then again...
Awesome Land Rover! I would say if I owned it I would put a Dana 60 in the back and probably a Dana 50 in the front from a Super Duty. If you can get the Land Rover diesel running without spending too much on it I would say that would be the best bet. Can’t wait to see how it turns out!
Yep, 4.3L , 4l60e, NP241,& Dana 44s you should have some of that stuff laying around
Dana 44s, 33x10.5s, and Ford straight 6. The look should be old school Dakar.
Put some Waggy D44's under it, 35's, and some sort of i6 (AMC 258/4.0, Ford 300, etc). And then a matching t-case and trans and call it good. Well, minus the giant amount of wiring and lights and everything else that needs to be handled.
I named my '61 "Edward" after the friend that left it to me. There were some 110s made in Morocco that used a BMW straight six. Those things can really scream. Went to a dyno day and some one pulled in with an SII diesel. It layed down 25 HP and 32 ft lbs of torque and burned about a quart of oil.
Get the diesel up and running better axles maybe straighten out those body panels tires like you said 35s or 37s make it a coffee getting over lander/ mid range wheeler oh and some rock sliders (prob home brew ones since I dont know if any are already made for LR's)...keep the coils though, while not correct for an old land rover will def. make for a more comfortable ride given the trucks expected use (and a bit more trail flex)
If you are staying with a Rover engine then you need one of the V8's or a bare minimum TD5. Although all of the body, except the firewall, is aluminum it's still a very heavy truck. Either fit an overdrive unit, which will bold straight on to the LT230 of at least have a 6 speed tranny. The 2A 109's, which is what it was when it left the factory, usually had Salisbury rear axle (not the rover one) these axles are very good. The other thing is that the ride will be so much better with coils.
You had better love rust, I've had 2 series LRs and a Defender, all rusty!😆
Go with portal axles, soooo cool!
Parabolic leaf springs ride nice under a Series truck too.
Series LRs did come with a 2.6l petrol straight six from the factory, so they will fit.
The 200tdi and 300tdi 2.5l all fit and very strong and economical. Found in old LR Discovery's. And there's a 2.8l variant out there.
Any help you need,ask, I'm in the Uk
Looks like a good platform for a overland rig.
I have a series 3 88', the shorter chasis, which is getting a complete drivetrain swap from a lj70 landcruiser to make it coil sprung, with chasis, axles and the 3 liter kzt engine
Lj70 has a 2.4ltr diesel. Kzj70/73 has the 3 ltr version. 1kzt engine is awesome. I gad one in my fj55 and my dad still drives his kzj73. AMG water/air intercooler. 1.2bar turbo pressure and tweaked fuel pump. Thing flies…
Vortech 3700 inline 5 swap! You could even use the transmission(5 speed? You do have quite a few auto rigs), possibly the transfer case(depending on how serious this thing is gonna get) that comes behind them in the 1st gen Cheby Colorado too!
I'd suggest the larger Vortech 4200 inline 6 version for more powah if it'll fit, but the inline 5 definitely makes for a more interesting swap
As far as making them run, you could always get ahold of Lucky or Tony since they messed with one, or you get ahold of this guy since he's been doing a lot with them...
th-cam.com/users/Nivlac57
The more landrover stuff you can get rid of the more reliable it will be
I would say keep it lightweight and simple. I4 Turbo Diesel (1.9 volkswagen tdi?) manual and simpler axles from maybe an fj80.
How about a Toyota V6? 80 series axles. Its a great blend of overland with rock crawling strength.
As a big Land Rover fan, I totally agree with your decision to not run Land Rover axles.
The Overlandrover
I like it 👌
Could baxter be holding off the land rover purest in your yard ?
The Rover V8 can be found in 4.4 and 5.0 sizes, and it's all alloy, nice and light over the front axle.
80 Series Cruiser axles, Rover 4.0 V8
Nice series rig! I put a 2.0 vw tdi into my 109 and it's awesome. Lots of people do the vortec v6 swaps, they go in pretty good. You could get these stock with a straight 6 so you could go that route, jeep 4.0 or perhaps a merc diesel? Cant wait to see what you decide!
Hey Dylan you have a write up on your diesel swap or Instagram. I’m thinking about doing just that in my new to my project 109”
Bmw m57, or om606 engine popular choices in the later defenders, they might fit in a series or a land rover 300tdi or 3,5v8 if you want to use the lt230. I think toyota axles have the same rear diff offset so maybe use them as they are stronger
BMW m54 bolted to a Zf automatic, just like what the African land rovers had when bmw owned them
Put an LV1 in it!
Don't know if the project is still ongoing but... Kubota V2203 maybe?
300tdi engine if you can get the 2.8 if not the 2.5 and 3.45 difs will cruse at 120kmh it should have a dana 60 on the back as standard you can't brake them a dana from a 110 defender will bolt on in place of the disco one
It looks like a Range Rover chassis
R 2.8
35’s
Dana 44’s
Coils on all 4 corners
And name it Grampy. That way you can have Clampy and Grampy, twins that are nothing alike. (Think DeVito and Arnold)
Just my .02
What is the highway speed for the 2/8 db diesel?
Definitely some sort of diesel, and it’s name has to be “queen”
I say keep the Diesel that's in it if it's in good enough shape (and if you can get parts idk how hard that is) as for the rest of the drivetrain i guess that depends on what axles you go with since the current setup is offset front and back. Cool rig!
If its the 2.25 or 2.5 diesel its kinda gutless for what he wants
Toyota V-8, Toyota axles and t/c + doubler second box 40'S ARE A MUST
To you video gamers, the Sniper from Team Fortress 2 drivers a camper van modeled after this series of Land Rover; chosen for its superior off-roading performance.
R 2.8 with 9” style axels front rear
Since you mentioned the 2.8, hypothetically, would you ever consider swapping the 2.7 out of clampy?
No, don't do an LS engine. I was about to say 4BT, and then you said no! A 6BT would be cool if it would fit.
People have stuffed the 6BT into them but it's WAAAAY to big and heavy for this application. As for the 4BT...I just don't get it. As heavy as a big block chevy, rattles and shakes like washing machine with a brick in it, doesn't make much power... I swear if that think didn't have a big C on the top nobody would ever touch it.
@@donhappel9566 the best 4bt description ever
Keep it diesel, r 2.8, 4BD1T ,TDI swaps
I know I am late, but EARL.
Hi Fred 😀
Series 2A
Straight 6 would be cool. Old school ford 300, or 4200 GM as a more modern/more power deal. Or to really piss off the purists put a 3.6 v-6 with an 8 speed from a newer jeep in there. That's probably not easy though with all the electronics and whatnot.
Name it Sojourner
Why not a kabota swaps with toyota running gear 🤔
Don't discount the venerable GM 4.3. I think it is an under utilized option.
The new LS based 4.3 is pretty damn cool, too. gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lv3/
Probably a bit spendy, but you can probably find them in junk yards already.
I personally like the straight six idea. Jeep 4.0 or the Ford 300. 1 tons on coils,40s and go hit the trials
You could name it bollocks that way if it breaks down you could pull a James May and say oh bollocks 😁
I did a 58 series one with 20r (upgraded cam) toyota 5 speed, and a dana 20 t-case. did a 44 rear and a 30 front. i used parabolic leafs made for the land rover. even put a gm tilt column in it. if i had to do it over and i might i would do a 4.3 with holly sniper fuel injection. full manual 700r4 and a dana 20 with upgraded low range.
its not a rock crawler and its not a mall crawler but it does go where I want it to.
a name? bluddy bloke
Chevy Ecotec3 4.3L V6 or a Ford 4.2L V6
If here at Sabah, Malaysia. We modify to use Toyota axle and toyota engine.. only the body was original land rover
22R/RE with all Toyota drivetrain. That would get you the double benefits of having cheap, reliable, easily sourced and easy to install parts and driving the Land Rover purists absolutely insane. :)
Agreed! I'm going to go this route. I picked up a rolled '84 Toyota rock crawler and plan to put it all under my 1960 LR109 pick up. Should be interesting! Should I go frame and all or just drivetrain?
I seen Land Rover on a Jeep chassis
LS, Tons and 40s, obviously! I think it'd actually be pretty cool with a v6 (easier to fit in that compartment), 50/60 axles on 37-ish tires.
My first choice would be a Mercedes straight 5 or 6cyl diesel(pick your OM flavor and adapter support). Second is a Chevy 4.3 v6, tons of them have been swapped into old Land Rovers, truly a popular swap in these rigs...cheap and reliable, which neither were Land Rover's strong suit. Last would be a Cummins R2.8.....love the motor, but cost is a tough pill to swallow, but it has a warranty. The wagon begs for a diesel, but the most budget approachable and relatable to your viewers is the tried and true Chevy 4.3 v6. ...or just be crazy and keep the factory little diesel and swap the transfer case to something rational to get a center rear, and driver front pumpkin, and that opens up a lot of good axle options. I like coils on 37s, regardless of engine choice. I love the wagons, this is gonna be a very fun build.
Dana 44's with RCV's and the Cummins 2.8. Considering what your goals are for the Rover that would be a great all around setup with easily available parts.
I second this. and based on what we've seen from tube sock the motor runs cool and gets surprisingly great mpg and did really well on the highway as well as the trail.
I would name it Beardsley, or Farley, or Robin. All classic British men’s names befitting for a classic British icon.
300 inline 6 ford
Perkins!! Anything from a 4.236 to a 6.354 would be AWESOME!
Hey Fred I am a follower of pewe and David from way back have 5 jeeps including a vec 2a. I also have a 67 rover. I would say not to just toss in Dana stuff and a t5. Part of the fun of a rover is using odd ball stuff. The ultimate axles for this are Volvo c303 units. My rover back in the day got fj40 disc brake axles and a Scotty's adapter 305 conversion. Mine has the ultra cool Fairey overdrive along with a 2a box and case make it insane cool. The 215 Buick v8 is my period swap for my rig which stays inline with the 305 and it's maybe 120 horse power keeping the 2a box alive. Last, tall skinny tires only. Q78s or 11.00r16s would be my choice because they are rare and hard to find. My rig is sitting on 34x9.50 pizzas. You can see it in the only public video on my page about my 2A
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It would be cool if you did the skinny 38 tsl on steel wheels
Ford 300 I6
4.0L
AMC 258
If you want to get a little weird Chrysler slant 6.
Ello governor,
Aluminum buick 215 but add sniper fi or fitech, kinda like a rover v8..... but aluminum....or the r2.8 is always a solid option
Love it Dave. Just found out about your Chanel from comments on DED Facebook👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Engine: Put in a 2F engine and axles from an FJ40 and call it Land Crover - paint it light blue!
Dependability of a Land Cruiser with the looks of a Land Rover
THE LAND CROVER!!
5.9 or 6.7 would be fun, but pretty heavy for the front of a rock crawler. An OM606 turbo Mercedes would be good (and weighs about the same as a small block), but you would need to move the grill forward for space unless you just like cutting up the firewall and floor. Stick with the 89-90 OM606, it has the Bosch mechanical injection pump (M style pump vs P-pump) on certain models. An OM617 turbo would work also, but is shorter in length (5 cylinder) than the OM606. OM617 is less refined that the OM606 but is far simpler and usually cheaper. If you are enamored with the length of the 5 cylinder, Mercedes also makes an OM602 5 cylinder turbo with a Bosch injection pump. If you want to dare to be different, you could get an air-cooled Deutz diesel, available in 4 and 6 cylinder versions.
The 1960's Landrover was a leaf sprung truck alot of people make abit of a mungrul truck up by using Discovery 1 and RangeRover classic's cos the coil springs are so much better ride quality in this type of truck over here in the UK there are afew company's fitting LS'S and Cummins and changing axles aswell the size tyres it is on now iv seen brake halfshafts and cv's you've got better availability of stronger axles over there so I'd change them an engine swap that is getting more and more popular now is the merc OM606 & 605 and the BMW 330D straight 6 using both manual and automatic gearboxes or the P38 RangeRover 4.6 V8 again using manual and automatic gearboxes and the LT230 Transfer box which is quite strong
Isuzu 4BD1T maybe a nice choice and keep the LT230 transfer case or maybe the gearbox too (LT77 or R380). Land Cruiser axles are offset so there no problem with LT230 case, or Dana 60 which is basically the same with Land Rover salisbury axle. Tire wise i think 35 inch is big enough for series 2.
Cheap would be a Chevy v6, or SBC. Not so cheap a Toyota Diesel. Stock R.R. parts are pricy and as the Aussies say "If you want to go out to the bush, take a Landrover, if you want to make it back, take a Toyota".
See if you can get it reliable as is. This way we get many episodes of upgrades, because...I'm selfish. Would a Rubicon 4 door JK frame slide under there? I love the R2.8 as an option, if you don't get the motor with the frame. Drivetrain solved.
Nissan y61axles if you can get hold of them have offset diffs that will line up with the lt230 transfer box outputs and are plenty strong enough, also I've heard they mount to landrover radius arms too. Loads of guys running 40" treps with standard shafts on those axles with no problems. The lt230 is a good strong transfer box, quite a few ratio options for high range from 1:1, 1:2, 1:4 & 1:6. And there's even compnies that can supply crawler gear sets for low range too. If you have the Landrover 200 or 300tdi engine they're a brilliant reliable engine if looked after.
Axles - Fj80 for more gear options than the rover but still high clearance and offset.
Engine- Short engine bay means it’s tough to retain the recessed grill with a larger 6cyl so 2.8tgv /200 or 300Tdi is what I’d recommend.
Trans - r380 trans and lt230 case. 4:1 and 5:1 gearing as well as an under drive can be sourced for the LT case.
35” tires are kind or the limit without really limiting uptravel or rubbing on inside of tub.
I have a 1960 2a 109 pu on a stretched disco 1 chassis using full disco drivetrain as my daily driver. Gears lockers and Ashcroft shafts are a must if retaining rover axles. Rover v8 is fine with a good rad but tough to package so I use later defender grill and hood.
I like simple so it is,easy to find parts. Wagoneer Dana 44's, GM truck 5.3, 4L60e (because Dave needs an automatic), Dana 300' and keep the coils if it is already set up. I know it seems like everyone does an LS, , but if not that, then a Land Rover V8 like in Jimmy's flatie.
Considering the engine bay in these is pretty cramped, I'd stick with a 4cyl. An inline 6 does fit but it's tight. Personally I'd use the Cummins R2.8 like tubesock, NV4500 5 speed and either a Toyota or Atlas T-Case. Axle wise I'd probably run Dana 44s on coils using the Land Rover system.
One thing you need to do is get rid of those rocker panels, they serve no purpose and were only used on the "Delux" models, standard on all station wagons and optional on others.
Fun fact, the rear door/tailgate was used all the way till the end of production of the tradional Defender, including the gate latch handle! I'd seriously recommend getting a swing out spare wheel carrier and avoid putting the spare on the door, or the hood for that matter. Especially if you intend to use bigger/heavier wheels and use it hard. I've seen Land Rovers pull the door apart with heavy wheels hanging off it.
I would say put a Land Rover 300tdi into it with an r380 gearbox and the lt230 transfer you have. It’s a rock solid combo. I like the r2.8 option but it depends if you have a money to blow.
So glad you don't want to put in a ls. I totally agree with no 4bt or 6bt. R2.8 would probably be the most logical choice but I'm hoping for either a all mechanical diesel, Chevy 292, or something else that's super basic and has a vintage vibe. The all aluminum Buick/olds/rover v8s would be really cool.
Sorry, but it sounds like you just want another American pick-up but you want to disguise it under a classic Land Rover Series II. 35 inch to 40 inch tires...why?