Sx4 is possibly the most confusing type to correlate, at first I hear EIE then I hear SEE and then ESI and it’s like bro figure it out already I see ESI the most though
ESI is probably more archetypically SP4, with SX4 showing traits of both ESI and SEE, making it less of a fit. Yes, SP4 has EII traits as well, but not to the extent that SX4 has SEE traits.
@@Shade571 I see ESI as being more sp4, sp4 can be mistaken for sp1. Sx4 is hard to type yeah, I've seen EIE, IEE, SEE, ESI and even IEI. I think ESI fits most though. I've seen EII for sp4 as well and while I think that can work (though ESI is the archetype) I think that so4 fits better with EII.
Great/amazing video as always. Out of topic can you make a video about Classic Jungian (this IN(F) SHIT ) people say they’re not easy or something like that other say, something else I’m confuse af.
Don't mind me just watching this to use the weaknesses against people, also the new format where you're filming from this angle combined with the lighting looks lit (rare occasion of me using my 4F)
Day in the life of an IEI: Wakes up, makes his bed, drinks coffee and opens a fiction book. In the afternoon, he heads to work (works in a supermarket-for now) looking forward to one particular thing. Upon arrival, his manager talks to him one-on-one. She calls the IEI perfect in the position he’s in. The IEI is even offered a promotion at work. He smiles but asks for time to think about it. Then, he sees a coworker of his, goofy and charming, likely an ILE, with smooth, blonde hair, hazel eyes and a nice jawline. From a distance the IEI sees ILE smile at a female coworker, she smiles back. They merely say hi, but IEI sees something else: they may like each other, may form a relationship. The ILE may drift a way. All of a sudden the IEI becomes moody, looks like a family member has died and acts jerk-y. What he was looking forward to May be in jeapordy. The next day IEI asks the ILE to hang out; ILE says yes and now IEI is the most productive, outgoing, joking person in the organization. Being an IEI SO 4 is a pain in the ass and the mbti folks who say they wanna be INFJ are fucking delusional (lmao). Took me a while to realize that relationships are of upmost importance to me in life. If I have no friends or a significant other, I don’t see the purpose to earn a promotion etc…
MBTI fetishes those types due to distorted view, i will put more energy into MBTI soon enough to shed some light on the fuckfest. Good to see IEI give their take
"Took me a while to realize that relationships are of upmost importance to me in life. If I have no friends or a significant other, I don’t see the purpose to earn a promotion etc…" is this not Fi base?
It doesn't have to be Fi base, what can indicate it being unvalued FI is the lack of obvious understanding of how people focused they are i suppose, it took them a while to understand those things.
@@Just_Rusted but aren't all ethical types people focused naturally? I don't see why an ethical type would question if they are people focused "the lack of obvious understanding of how people focused they are i suppose, it took them a while to understand those things." this is a decent point, however that begs the question if they weren't understanding of how people focused they are and it took them a while to understand how important relations are in their life, then why not mobilizing Fi? -- although I will admit, a point against this is, a logical type declaring relations to be the most important thing in their life would be sort of odd, I guess, but maybe not? I sort of fail to see how this is not at least Fi valuing..
I think I came off too strong on that last part of my comment. I guess what i tried to say was that I care more about relationships and human-dynamics, than I do job positions, promotions, etc… Im only 21, so I should posses some naïveté in regards to what I value. If I were an Fi base, would I not have a more defined idea of what I value/is important to me? Not to mention that I’ve been trying to do what is stereotypically required of men to do: get jobs, earn money, push through, etc… I’ve tried doing that, while neglecting romance, relationships, idealism and I was miserable. Hence, I came to realize what the human/feeling stuff makes me tick more than what does the average man.
What are your thoughts on visual identification? In my opinion too many people rely on it and that’s how mistypes happen. Because of how I look I always get typed as a beta ST but I’m not that rigid about rules or enforcing anything on people. I just want pleasant surroundings and enough free time to explore my hobbies and interests. Many of which are related to music and visual art
ESI: dutiful, reliable, takes traditions and friendships seriously, enduring, overly critical, perfectionistic, don't like change Remind me again how this doesn't relate to type 1.
Because everything you listed applies to SP 4, a moral character who is enduring, self critical and relational. "This involves an obsession with improving things that result in making their lives and those of others worse and a narrow-minded concept of perfection in terms of a matching of experience or events with a pre-established code of values, standards, ideas, tastes, rules, and so on." It's a logical type that operates in objectivity with a great grasp on it and they adjust the external world to correspond with it. ESI are Fi base with weak Te, they don't operate on such principles.
Ten komentarz nie dotyczy tematu, ale czy zgodziłbyś się stworzyć krótką na TH-cam o relacji nadzoru przy użyciu postaci Batmana (LSI, podopiecznego) i Jokera (ILE, nadzorcy)? Z tego, co BaglessNereid mi powiedział, relacja nadzoru jest czystym gwałtem umysłu.
Zobaczymy, moze, jezeli chodzi o shorty z filmow bez dodanego dodatkowego materialu to niebezpieczna gra bo liczy się jako reused content, może takie coś zrobie ale musze zmienic podejście do tych shortow.
Here is what classicalsocionics says: A cyclothyme’s emotions are way more impulsive and less controllable than those of a schizothyme. Why do cyclothymes seem impulsive, and were even called “irrational” by C. G. Jung? Because their movements, actions and emotions are always a consequence of some feelings and a particular mental state; they are a response to a cyclothyme beginning to feel comfortable, uncomfortable, calm or uncertain. First, cyclothymes need some time to “get going” internally, and only after that do they react to the situation with an emotion or an action. They do not immediately react to others’ emotions and actions - they react to their own feelings evoked by others’ emotions and actions, which is why their reactions are somewhat slow, smooth, very well suited to the situation, but not thought out in advance (“creative”). Cyclothymes do a lot of things simply “out of habit”, in accordance with their established sets. Schizothymes react to an emotion with an emotion, and to an action with an action - right away, without having to “get going” first. They react in a very reasonable, thought out manner, basing it on all of their experience. For this reason schizothymes seem more strict, decisive, “rational”, their movements are more quick and rigid, their emotions are colder and sharper. Feeling for a schizothyme is a consequence of an action rather than its cause: after a correct action or emotion they feel* better, and after an incorrect action - worse. Because of this fact schizothymes carefully examine and contemplate actions and manifestations of emotions. If schizothymes feel bad, they ponder what they have done wrong, and dig through their past to acquire experience for the future. On the other hand, when cyclothymes feel bad, they think about the future rather than the past: what they need to do to change the way they feel. A cyclothyme’s actions are impulsive, they are nothing more than an individual’s adaptation to the real situation and to their own feelings. It could be said that a cyclothyme acts when they need to exit some kind of situation or some kind of state, while a schizothyme acts when they need to create a particular state, to make themselves feel a certain way. For example, a cyclothyme cooks to end an unpleasant feeling of hunger, and a schizothyme - to acquire a pleasant feeling of being full as a result of this activity; a cyclothyme eats because they find the food delicious, and a schizothyme - in order to be full, even if they are a foodie. Interestingly, the feeling of hunger affects the mood of a cyclothyme much more than that of a schizothyme - when they are hungry, a schizothyme can calmly wait for a longer period of time than a cyclothyme. When it comes to interactions with subjects and objects, the opposite is true. Just how a cyclothyme cannot act until they are overcome by some kind of feeling, so a schizothyme cannot communicate with a person until they feel something for this person and some kind of set is established. Without such a set or fully formed feelings a schizothyme cannot even buy the simplest household item. The same process of “getting going” takes place. Cyclothymes start communication without “getting going” (i.e. without sets) - instead they start with direct interactions, during which people and their qualities are thoroughly examined. Only after that do cyclothymes form sets, feelings and attitudes towards people. For this reason, even though a cyclothyme quickly establishes new contacts, these contacts say nothing about the way this individual feels about the people in question. Just how a schizothyme easily and “rationally” changes their actions and manifestations of emotions if they prove to not be reasonable enough, so a cyclothyme “rationally” changes people they interact with if the qualities of these people do not meet a cyclothyme’s needs. The same is true for household items and other objects.
Is IEI so4 the type with extreme anxiety but arrogance also, romanticism and a sprinkle of magical thinkin. A longing for deep connections but also difficulty interacting with others and being a know it all. Met someone with those traits, they also hardly ever left their comfort zone. Other defining qualities would be... oh he also knew dogshit about politics(news) or sports.
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 sorry for the late reply 😅 Hmm, I'll try not to make it so long, it's my cousin, he was always an Introvert, always in his comfort zone, the type of person who doesn't usually talk in group settings, once asked him why, he said he disliked it when people talked over each other, it seemed like a competition and he'd generally avoided exerting himself, he felt impotent, kinda like he had no ground. And he was also very shy. He is into math, sciences, but has poor general knowledge. Doesn't like talking about his emotions, but is generally a very expressive person when you get to know him. I think his quiet, cold exterior is probably just due to awkwardness, he's said he felt like people where always looking at him when growing up.
Spending time with SLI can be a cool experience (It's true), but when living with them for a long time (being in the family), they are terrible honestly. Unfortunately revealing your worst sides, which is difficult to understand when meeting for the first time or for a short time, even because of this "calm, chill, cold" image that they show to the outside world.
The one SLI in my family is extremely lazy and passive but still never takes responsibility for his inability to do anything with his life, the causes are always out of his control according to him. He has learnt to somewhat fake a nice personality around outsiders which makes him very hypocritical and hard to stand when you know his real personality. Never does anything helpful around the house, only his side projects that benefit only him. Has had a history with addictions (food, cigarettes, alcohol) but refused to take any step towards getting better because everyone’s the problem, not him of course. There’s a reason why he has no friends, his wife divorced him and none of his children want anything to do with him.
@@Just_Rusted After I made the comment, I saw that I generalized, and SLI is one of the types I like most (in fiction), I'll be honest, I can't say for all SLI in the world, but I'll use someone I know as an example. And to avoid mentioning names, I will use the same “SLI”. What you said and a little more. After a while, they settle into someone, they don't really care about things (that sounds like "oh, what a cool, tough guy"), but the guy can't keep his job because he doesn't like hearing complaints from the boss or even taking orders at work, which I found interesting, because I already read this somewhere about SLI, if I'm not mistaken, Stratievskaya also mentioned this, and about losing jobs, money (even though SLIs don't spend much) and studies, almost It's not a main concern, as they already know or are looking for someone who can support them, it's almost like a subtle exploration. Although they say they are relaxed, they are very stubborn and closed-minded. One observation is that they talk bad about people when they are at home and they don't even care about it, it's not those judgmental comments or any kind of shit, it's more jokes, insults and even comments that show a bad character thinking they are being funny. , but when they are on the side of the "few friends" or even to some family members, SLIs appear meek and nice, but they don't actually take friendships "seriously" regardless of who comes and goes in the SLI's life. The truth is that SLI doesn't have any friends, as they don't consider themselves close to anyone. It's funny, because others might consider SLI a long-time friend and shit, but little do they know. It's good to know how to fix everything, but there's no need to clog the house with old rubbish, it looks like an accumulation, and the excuse for that is because it can be fixed or will be of use for something, but in fact the SLI will almost never be used for anything (I think who lost his will). Do you want to see an angry SLI? disagree with one of them, present a better argument than theirs and win an argument or throw out the old junk, they blew up and angry SLIs are scary (mainly because it's less common to see totally angry SLIs out there) but it is common to see- them angry at home. It's true, they are very cold people in general, they want a good life, but they don't act, it's not that fictional coldness like “ah cold and calculating anime character, blah, blah”, in fact they are very indifferent, and whoever lives with with a person who is indifferent to everything in life it is suffering, there is no growth in anything. The lack of ambition after being accommodated to someone is ridiculous. The SLI, after he loses his will in something, doesn't try again, not even when it's something to help his family (i.e. wife, children), sometimes he seems to want to sabotage others. He doesn't like taking responsibility for the shit he does. Another thing, years may pass, but the most intimate part of SLI, even what they really like is a mystery, because SLI aren't usually sincere in their words, they lie a lot, but discreetly.
@@YTx90 I have similar experiences to what you wrote, the difference is that the SLI I know is not passive, he is not addicted to cigarettes, alcoholic beverages or drugs, In fact he doesn't like it, his addictions are curious: I remember his addiction to buying pirated CDs, there were a lot of them every day, also soft drinks every day, it used to be coffee, now it's bread and tea all the time, obviously sleep, now he has the habit of using a chemical product with a strong smell to clean own bedroom and bathroom (it doesn't even clean properly lol) and sometimes the house (which looks horrible), but it's ALL THE TIME. He's two-faced too, to a lot of people.
@@Just_Rusted so4s are stereotyped as like hysterical traumadumping overly emotional types. in the typology community ppl will say “you can’t be so4 you’re not whiny enough” but they’re private ppl aren’t they? they are introverts, they may be dramatic and self-victimizing but not always externally. it’s more like the story they tell themselves about being broken and they’re attached to their pain and express it through art or in a more subtle way. is this correct? i feel like 2s are the hysterical traumadumpy ones if they’re unhealthy, and probably sx4s too, they are the most expressive after all and described as histrionic
I don't view SO 4s as histerical or out right whiny babies altho they are more expressive as a type in general and not just pain, i mean overall, the type is deeply romantic with strong focus on expressing those facets.
@@Just_Rusted IDK, I just usually find myself attarcted to unconventional people or - in media - villains. Part of it because I find myself relating to their darker aspect and then being misunderstood by society, other part of me is attracted to these people because I want to help them get better. Not to much "I can fix them" but more "I want to show them support I didn't get". It's like Naranjo said - SO4s are oftentimes "the rescuer" because they think that by saving someone they find redemption and value. "Already in childhood, the social E4 feeds the illusion that he can save the people around him, even if they hurt and humiliate him. He believes that by saving them, giving them a chance at redemption, he can save himself. Thus, he identifies with the other, projecting his need to be saved, as if he wanted to "eat" his loved ones." - Envidia.
@@Deadpan_Snarker Sounds a lot like my wife in that sense, she always liked unconventional characters, even those who are considered villains or anti heroes, always disliked the prince charming tropes and goodie two shoes, she enjoys characters with depth and some emotional turmoil even to make things spicy.
Eiis are not really that conflict avoiding/sensitive to criticism (from people they deem unimportant) tbh due to fe ignoring. I have an eii friend she just explodes (in the eye of an fe valuer, at least) when someone offends her. It's more like they don't really know they are starting a conflict (se polr, fe ignoring) or when to start one.
I must say that an EII acting that way is a bit odd, exploding is a weird word to use to describe an EII reacting to a slight. How EII is described "He never imposes his own emotions on others, but accompanies, empathizes emotions of his partner. He demonstrates specific emotional standstill. He is sure that other people need him to be quiet, calm, tranquil." "The INFj feels uneasy making demands of others or voicing criticisms in direct, sharp form. It is unpleasant for the EII to voice reprimands. Each time, when there is a need to defend and assert himself, the EII feels torn between the actual circumstances, which require sharp and resolute actions, and his internal protest and unwillingness to undertake them." "He tries so that its own troubles would not spoil the relations prevailing around it; therefore in the expression of its negative emotions it is very careful. Rather it will complain itself to the outside person, than to close one. Rather it will in exactly the same manner express its deep fears and problems to stranger."
you 100% sure she's EII? Women are often typed as ethical by default, while they actually may be logical. If someone explodes like that, it suggests weak Ethics. EIIs are literally the most peaceful types (along with SEIs). Cinderella is the archetype.
Hey Rusted, Nice video, And I do agree with it cos my sister is an IEI and whenever I Write something down in an extremely direct way she always tells me to reword it in a kinder way, she’s also extremely manipulative lol I also wrote down some MBTI correlations cos it’s been a while since your last MBTI correlations video and since you updated the Socionics/Enneagram video I decided to correlate the new types, a lot of changes happened lol (and I know it’s a bad system but it’s one that most people use today that’s more truer than astrology so you kinda have to consider it) ENFP: IEE, EIE (Sx7, So2) INFP: EII, IEI (Sp4, So4, Sx5) ESTJ: LSE (E1, Sp3) ISTJ: SLI, LSI (Sp5, So6, Sp9) ESFP: SEE, ESE (Sp2, Sx2, Sx8) ISFP: ESI, SEI (Sp4, Sx4, Sx9) ENTJ: LIE (So3, Sp3, Sp7) INTJ: LII, ILI, LSI (E5, So6) ESTP: SLE, SEE (E8) ISTP: LSI, SLI (Sp5, Sx6, Sp9) ENFJ: EIE, ESE (So2, Sx3) INFJ: IEI, ESI, EII (Sp4, So4, Sx5, Sp6) ENTP: ILE, LIE (So7, Sp7) INTP: ILI, LII (E5, So6) ESFJ: ESE, SEI (Sx2, Sp2, Sx3, So9) ISFJ: SEI (Sx9, So9) Let me know what you think
Nowadays i am getting away from the idea that an mbti has multiple different possible types and that you can bend logic like with ESTP SEE for example, a type that is Ti polr being Ti aux. To me it's a simple dilemma of consistency, an ESTP SEE would be what in jung, ES(T)? That would not be SEE so if it's ES(F) in jung why wouldn't we just call it ESFP? it's a FEELING type after all.
@@Just_Rusted I can understand where you’re coming from but also you have to remember Socionics functions and Mbti functions are completely different For example an LSI is called ISTj in Socionics despite it having a Ti Base function, and when you read LSI it fits more with ISTJ and when you read SLI it fits with ISTP but it can only be Sp5 or Sp9 and not a 6 core even though when you read the Values of an ISTP seems very Sx6ish Even when you read So9 it literally sounds like the Archetype of an ESFJ but it can only have SEI in the Stack cos the actual ESE is much more Assertive (Se Demon), and like you put Aimee Gibbs from Sex Education is a great example Also when you read the tertiary functions they don’t align with Socionics Role, infact Tertiary aligns more with Suggestive functions (It’s the growth function) which is the 5th function
@@rakhatkupeev0311 I didn’t add ESI because ISFJ and 4 don’t correlate at all ISFJ don’t have creativity in them due to Si Auxiliary, and E4 is a very creative oriented type I was gonna say ISFJ 1 to be ESI but apparently that’s not a thing either It’s mainly cos I can see ENFJ 3 being a thing but only for Sx3, Elle Woods from Legally Blonde is a Good Example and even Gwen Stacy from TASM
@@Shade571U mean it is impossible for ISFJs & si doms in general to be creative and 4s to be not very creative at all? Bruh. Not having a creativity is not same thing as not being type 4.
They are, to a degree. Majority of them are ENTP in MBTI and have strong Ti, which is inherently perfectionistic. "Additionally, there is a perfectionist quality to the Ti user wherein their personal desire for purity of logos is at once a desire for purity of the self. Indeed, the Ti user's success in building this logic framework is tied to their sense of identity, as they may view themselves primarily as a truth-seeker and truth-speakers. There will be an ethical quality to their pursuit which manifests in a valuing of neutrality, honesty, authenticity and clarity. Lack of neutrality, honesty or lack of clarity will be sensed as a transgression; one which they avoid in their own behavior and which they may also depreciate in others. As a compass function, Ti will strive for a type of nobility of character which it can sustain only if it feels it is being honest with itself and avoiding as many impurities as possible in its own thinking. This high personal standard can cause the Ti user to become entirely mute as their ignorance forces them to retract any opinion or utterance that they cannot firmly stand behind. The strong Ti user may be a very silent presence at school or in the workforce, speaking only occasionally and after minutes or hours of reflection on what he wishes to say. If their logical devotion is towards an art project or creative endeavor, the same bottleneck may appear, causing them to hesitate in publishing any works until everything feels entirely perfect. They may feel their works are never quite precise enough and will spend countless hours in the refinement process - aiming always for their writings, paintings or manifestations to capture their thoughts and intentions with no compromise. This can lead to negative feelings and self-blame forming for mistakes made or inaccurate information given."
honestly a pretty rational perspective and view on these sociotypes. felt it was expanded on far more with introverts, which is good because introverts in socionics are often misunderstood
They're not as circlejerked as the extraverted types who like to hear themselves talk that is for sure so giving some in depth look on the introverts is always good
Definitely EII. His book mediations screams R valuing and he might be Sp6 but PDB but people have typed enneagram 1 due to his book and scriptures in terms of self improvement. Here’s WSS blog on Marcus Aurelius worldsocionics.blogspot.com/2016/03/marcus-aurelius-eii-analysis.html?m=1
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ESI: dutiful, reliable, takes traditions and friendships seriously, enduring, overly critical, perfectionistic, don't like change
also ESI: Sx4 🤠
Sx4 is possibly the most confusing type to correlate, at first I hear EIE then I hear SEE and then ESI and it’s like bro figure it out already
I see ESI the most though
lmao tbh
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ESI is probably more archetypically SP4, with SX4 showing traits of both ESI and SEE, making it less of a fit. Yes, SP4 has EII traits as well, but not to the extent that SX4 has SEE traits.
@@Shade571 I see ESI as being more sp4, sp4 can be mistaken for sp1. Sx4 is hard to type yeah, I've seen EIE, IEE, SEE, ESI and even IEI. I think ESI fits most though. I've seen EII for sp4 as well and while I think that can work (though ESI is the archetype) I think that so4 fits better with EII.
EII and SEI seem so similar. What’s the easiest way to distinguish them? Could you make a comparison video, perhaps?
Great/amazing video as always. Out of topic can you make a video about Classic Jungian (this IN(F) SHIT ) people say they’re not easy or something like that other say, something else I’m confuse af.
Don't mind me just watching this to use the weaknesses against people, also the new format where you're filming from this angle combined with the lighting looks lit (rare occasion of me using my 4F)
You should read supervisor relationships trom Startievskya.
@@laluna874-x1h What happened?
@@laluna874-x1h I'm not doing this out of resentment, a relationship built on lies won't give you fulfillment
@@laluna874-x1h when I started I assumed that you two weren't in touch anymore, didn't think that it would actually harm
@@laluna874-x1h but what value did I give when we were talking?
Day in the life of an IEI:
Wakes up, makes his bed, drinks coffee and opens a fiction book. In the afternoon, he heads to work (works in a supermarket-for now) looking forward to one particular thing. Upon arrival, his manager talks to him one-on-one. She calls the IEI perfect in the position he’s in. The IEI is even offered a promotion at work. He smiles but asks for time to think about it. Then, he sees a coworker of his, goofy and charming, likely an ILE, with smooth, blonde hair, hazel eyes and a nice jawline. From a distance the IEI sees ILE smile at a female coworker, she smiles back. They merely say hi, but IEI sees something else: they may like each other, may form a relationship. The ILE may drift a way. All of a sudden the IEI becomes moody, looks like a family member has died and acts jerk-y. What he was looking forward to May be in jeapordy. The next day IEI asks the ILE to hang out; ILE says yes and now IEI is the most productive, outgoing, joking person in the organization. Being an IEI SO 4 is a pain in the ass and the mbti folks who say they wanna be INFJ are fucking delusional (lmao).
Took me a while to realize that relationships are of upmost importance to me in life. If I have no friends or a significant other, I don’t see the purpose to earn a promotion etc…
MBTI fetishes those types due to distorted view, i will put more energy into MBTI soon enough to shed some light on the fuckfest.
Good to see IEI give their take
"Took me a while to realize that relationships are of upmost importance to me in life. If I have no friends or a significant other, I don’t see the purpose to earn a promotion etc…" is this not Fi base?
It doesn't have to be Fi base, what can indicate it being unvalued FI is the lack of obvious understanding of how people focused they are i suppose, it took them a while to understand those things.
@@Just_Rusted but aren't all ethical types people focused naturally? I don't see why an ethical type would question if they are people focused
"the lack of obvious understanding of how people focused they are i suppose, it took them a while to understand those things."
this is a decent point, however that begs the question if they weren't understanding of how people focused they are and it took them a while to understand how important relations are in their life, then why not mobilizing Fi? -- although I will admit, a point against this is, a logical type declaring relations to be the most important thing in their life would be sort of odd, I guess, but maybe not? I sort of fail to see how this is not at least Fi valuing..
I think I came off too strong on that last part of my comment. I guess what i tried to say was that I care more about relationships and human-dynamics, than I do job positions, promotions, etc…
Im only 21, so I should posses some naïveté in regards to what I value. If I were an Fi base, would I not have a more defined idea of what I value/is important to me? Not to mention that I’ve been trying to do what is stereotypically required of men to do: get jobs, earn money, push through, etc… I’ve tried doing that, while neglecting romance, relationships, idealism and I was miserable. Hence, I came to realize what the human/feeling stuff makes me tick more than what does the average man.
Hi Rusted, how do you characterize the difference between IEI and EIE? It would be a great help
What are your thoughts on visual identification? In my opinion too many people rely on it and that’s how mistypes happen. Because of how I look I always get typed as a beta ST but I’m not that rigid about rules or enforcing anything on people. I just want pleasant surroundings and enough free time to explore my hobbies and interests. Many of which are related to music and visual art
It should be considered a little fun theory but not taken too seriously, i've seen many ridiculous typings with that.
ESI: dutiful, reliable, takes traditions and friendships seriously, enduring, overly critical, perfectionistic, don't like change
Remind me again how this doesn't relate to type 1.
Because E1 is not about traditions/past and OCPD
@@JavierMFarias wrong
Because everything you listed applies to SP 4, a moral character who is enduring, self critical and relational.
"This involves an obsession with improving things that result in making their lives and those of others worse and a narrow-minded concept of perfection in terms of a matching of experience or events with a pre-established code of values, standards, ideas, tastes, rules, and so on."
It's a logical type that operates in objectivity with a great grasp on it and they adjust the external world to correspond with it.
ESI are Fi base with weak Te, they don't operate on such principles.
@@rwvry ESI obviously can't be 1, but 1 is correlated with obsessive personality by Naranjo repeatedly
@@rwvry if that's the case, yeah, he's right
Basement Dweller LOL.
All around of ILIs!
Be awaken!
But we know, it's really hard...
What are the enneagram and sociotypes of Vito and Michael Corleone?
ESI SP 4 for vito and LSI SO6 for Michael
Ten komentarz nie dotyczy tematu, ale czy zgodziłbyś się stworzyć krótką na TH-cam o relacji nadzoru przy użyciu postaci Batmana (LSI, podopiecznego) i Jokera (ILE, nadzorcy)? Z tego, co BaglessNereid mi powiedział, relacja nadzoru jest czystym gwałtem umysłu.
Zobaczymy, moze, jezeli chodzi o shorty z filmow bez dodanego dodatkowego materialu to niebezpieczna gra bo liczy się jako reused content, może takie coś zrobie ale musze zmienic podejście do tych shortow.
A w modelu G oni są dualami (Joker EIE, wciąż używa Fe), co czyni ich relację tym bardziej ciekawą!
@@NiceSuccubus Uzywasz Model G?
how to decide if one is rational or irrational?
If your base function is a perceiving function (snesing/intuition) you're irrational, if it's a judging function (Thinking/Feeling) you're rational.
Here is what classicalsocionics says:
A cyclothyme’s emotions are way more impulsive and less controllable than those of a schizothyme. Why do cyclothymes seem impulsive, and were even called “irrational” by C. G. Jung? Because their movements, actions and emotions are always a consequence of some feelings and a particular mental state; they are a response to a cyclothyme beginning to feel comfortable, uncomfortable, calm or uncertain. First, cyclothymes need some time to “get going” internally, and only after that do they react to the situation with an emotion or an action. They do not immediately react to others’ emotions and actions - they react to their own feelings evoked by others’ emotions and actions, which is why their reactions are somewhat slow, smooth, very well suited to the situation, but not thought out in advance (“creative”). Cyclothymes do a lot of things simply “out of habit”, in accordance with their established sets. Schizothymes react to an emotion with an emotion, and to an action with an action - right away, without having to “get going” first. They react in a very reasonable, thought out manner, basing it on all of their experience. For this reason schizothymes seem more strict, decisive, “rational”, their movements are more quick and rigid, their emotions are colder and sharper. Feeling for a schizothyme is a consequence of an action rather than its cause: after a correct action or emotion they feel* better, and after an incorrect action - worse. Because of this fact schizothymes carefully examine and contemplate actions and manifestations of emotions. If schizothymes feel bad, they ponder what they have done wrong, and dig through their past to acquire experience for the future. On the other hand, when cyclothymes feel bad, they think about the future rather than the past: what they need to do to change the way they feel. A cyclothyme’s actions are impulsive, they are nothing more than an individual’s adaptation to the real situation and to their own feelings. It could be said that a cyclothyme acts when they need to exit some kind of situation or some kind of state, while a schizothyme acts when they need to create a particular state, to make themselves feel a certain way. For example, a cyclothyme cooks to end an unpleasant feeling of hunger, and a schizothyme - to acquire a pleasant feeling of being full as a result of this activity; a cyclothyme eats because they find the food delicious, and a schizothyme - in order to be full, even if they are a foodie. Interestingly, the feeling of hunger affects the mood of a cyclothyme much more than that of a schizothyme - when they are hungry, a schizothyme can calmly wait for a longer period of time than a cyclothyme. When it comes to interactions with subjects and objects, the opposite is true. Just how a cyclothyme cannot act until they are overcome by some kind of feeling, so a schizothyme cannot communicate with a person until they feel something for this person and some kind of set is established. Without such a set or fully formed feelings a schizothyme cannot even buy the simplest household item. The same process of “getting going” takes place. Cyclothymes start communication without “getting going” (i.e. without sets) - instead they start with direct interactions, during which people and their qualities are thoroughly examined. Only after that do cyclothymes form sets, feelings and attitudes towards people. For this reason, even though a cyclothyme quickly establishes new contacts, these contacts say nothing about the way this individual feels about the people in question. Just how a schizothyme easily and “rationally” changes their actions and manifestations of emotions if they prove to not be reasonable enough, so a cyclothyme “rationally” changes people they interact with if the qualities of these people do not meet a cyclothyme’s needs. The same is true for household items and other objects.
Is IEI so4 the type with extreme anxiety but arrogance also, romanticism and a sprinkle of magical thinkin. A longing for deep connections but also difficulty interacting with others and being a know it all. Met someone with those traits, they also hardly ever left their comfort zone. Other defining qualities would be... oh he also knew dogshit about politics(news) or sports.
Most likely sx 5 but could be IEI.. how was he like?
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 sorry for the late reply 😅
Hmm, I'll try not to make it so long, it's my cousin, he was always an Introvert, always in his comfort zone, the type of person who doesn't usually talk in group settings, once asked him why, he said he disliked it when people talked over each other, it seemed like a competition and he'd generally avoided exerting himself, he felt impotent, kinda like he had no ground. And he was also very shy. He is into math, sciences, but has poor general knowledge. Doesn't like talking about his emotions, but is generally a very expressive person when you get to know him. I think his quiet, cold exterior is probably just due to awkwardness, he's said he felt like people where always looking at him when growing up.
Are So5 easily mistyped like the types of So7, So6 or an Sx5. Because I believe that's my type already
Spending time with SLI can be a cool experience (It's true), but when living with them for a long time (being in the family), they are terrible honestly. Unfortunately revealing your worst sides, which is difficult to understand when meeting for the first time or for a short time, even because of this "calm, chill, cold" image that they show to the outside world.
What would you say are their bad sides? The SLIs i knew were just some friends i hanged around from time to time so maybe that's why it's pretty chill
What is terrible about them?
The one SLI in my family is extremely lazy and passive but still never takes responsibility for his inability to do anything with his life, the causes are always out of his control according to him. He has learnt to somewhat fake a nice personality around outsiders which makes him very hypocritical and hard to stand when you know his real personality. Never does anything helpful around the house, only his side projects that benefit only him. Has had a history with addictions (food, cigarettes, alcohol) but refused to take any step towards getting better because everyone’s the problem, not him of course. There’s a reason why he has no friends, his wife divorced him and none of his children want anything to do with him.
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After I made the comment, I saw that I generalized, and SLI is one of the types I like most (in fiction), I'll be honest, I can't say for all SLI in the world, but I'll use someone I know as an example. And to avoid mentioning names, I will use the same “SLI”.
What you said and a little more. After a while, they settle into someone, they don't really care about things (that sounds like "oh, what a cool, tough guy"), but the guy can't keep his job because he doesn't like hearing complaints from the boss or even taking orders at work, which I found interesting, because I already read this somewhere about SLI, if I'm not mistaken, Stratievskaya also mentioned this, and about losing jobs, money (even though SLIs don't spend much) and studies, almost It's not a main concern, as they already know or are looking for someone who can support them, it's almost like a subtle exploration. Although they say they are relaxed, they are very stubborn and closed-minded. One observation is that they talk bad about people when they are at home and they don't even care about it, it's not those judgmental comments or any kind of shit, it's more jokes, insults and even comments that show a bad character thinking they are being funny. , but when they are on the side of the "few friends" or even to some family members, SLIs appear meek and nice, but they don't actually take friendships "seriously" regardless of who comes and goes in the SLI's life. The truth is that SLI doesn't have any friends, as they don't consider themselves close to anyone. It's funny, because others might consider SLI a long-time friend and shit, but little do they know. It's good to know how to fix everything, but there's no need to clog the house with old rubbish, it looks like an accumulation, and the excuse for that is because it can be fixed or will be of use for something, but in fact the SLI will almost never be used for anything (I think who lost his will). Do you want to see an angry SLI? disagree with one of them, present a better argument than theirs and win an argument or throw out the old junk, they blew up and angry SLIs are scary (mainly because it's less common to see totally angry SLIs out there) but it is common to see- them angry at home.
It's true, they are very cold people in general, they want a good life, but they don't act, it's not that fictional coldness like “ah cold and calculating anime character, blah, blah”, in fact they are very indifferent, and whoever lives with with a person who is indifferent to everything in life it is suffering, there is no growth in anything. The lack of ambition after being accommodated to someone is ridiculous.
The SLI, after he loses his will in something, doesn't try again, not even when it's something to help his family (i.e. wife, children), sometimes he seems to want to sabotage others.
He doesn't like taking responsibility for the shit he does. Another thing, years may pass, but the most intimate part of SLI, even what they really like is a mystery, because SLI aren't usually sincere in their words, they lie a lot, but discreetly.
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I have similar experiences to what you wrote, the difference is that the SLI I know is not passive, he is not addicted to cigarettes, alcoholic beverages or drugs, In fact he doesn't like it, his addictions are curious: I remember his addiction to buying pirated CDs, there were a lot of them every day, also soft drinks every day, it used to be coffee, now it's bread and tea all the time, obviously sleep, now he has the habit of using a chemical product with a strong smell to clean own bedroom and bathroom (it doesn't even clean properly lol) and sometimes the house (which looks horrible), but it's ALL THE TIME.
He's two-faced too, to a lot of people.
Can you be an iei SP4? Most people think SP4s are eiis but i just havent been able to relate to that type that as much as iei
No, SP 4 doesn't work with an IEI mainly because SP4 is enduring, stoic and inexpresive type, doesn't work with the more dramatic Fe ego type.
@@Just_Rusted so4s are stereotyped as like hysterical traumadumping overly emotional types. in the typology community ppl will say “you can’t be so4 you’re not whiny enough” but they’re private ppl aren’t they? they are introverts, they may be dramatic and self-victimizing but not always externally. it’s more like the story they tell themselves about being broken and they’re attached to their pain and express it through art or in a more subtle way. is this correct? i feel like 2s are the hysterical traumadumpy ones if they’re unhealthy, and probably sx4s too, they are the most expressive after all and described as histrionic
I don't view SO 4s as histerical or out right whiny babies altho they are more expressive as a type in general and not just pain, i mean overall, the type is deeply romantic with strong focus on expressing those facets.
All that power of IEI introspection and people reading and I still almost always fall for people and characters with more red flags than in China.
Why do you do it?
@@Just_Rustedevery Se suggestive type has a degradation/abuse kink and daddy issues
@@Just_Rusted IDK, I just usually find myself attarcted to unconventional people or - in media - villains. Part of it because I find myself relating to their darker aspect and then being misunderstood by society, other part of me is attracted to these people because I want to help them get better. Not to much "I can fix them" but more "I want to show them support I didn't get".
It's like Naranjo said - SO4s are oftentimes "the rescuer" because they think that by saving someone they find redemption and value.
"Already in childhood, the social E4 feeds the illusion that he can save the people around him, even if they hurt and humiliate him. He believes that by saving them, giving them a chance at redemption, he can save himself. Thus, he identifies with the other, projecting his need to be saved, as if he wanted to "eat" his loved ones." - Envidia.
@@Deadpan_Snarker Sounds a lot like my wife in that sense, she always liked unconventional characters, even those who are considered villains or anti heroes, always disliked the prince charming tropes and goodie two shoes, she enjoys characters with depth and some emotional turmoil even to make things spicy.
@@Just_Rusted I hate goodie to shoes as well. They are either too bland, too unrealistic or too stupid/naive.
Eiis are not really that conflict avoiding/sensitive to criticism (from people they deem unimportant) tbh due to fe ignoring. I have an eii friend she just explodes (in the eye of an fe valuer, at least) when someone offends her. It's more like they don't really know they are starting a conflict (se polr, fe ignoring) or when to start one.
I must say that an EII acting that way is a bit odd, exploding is a weird word to use to describe an EII reacting to a slight.
How EII is described
"He never imposes his own emotions on others, but accompanies, empathizes emotions of his partner. He demonstrates specific emotional standstill. He is sure that other people need him to be quiet, calm, tranquil."
"The INFj feels uneasy making demands of others or voicing criticisms in direct, sharp form. It is unpleasant for the EII to voice reprimands. Each time, when there is a need to defend and assert himself, the EII feels torn between the actual circumstances, which require sharp and resolute actions, and his internal protest and unwillingness to undertake them."
"He tries so that its own troubles would not spoil the relations prevailing around it; therefore in the expression of its negative emotions it is very careful. Rather it will complain itself to the outside person, than to close one. Rather it will in exactly the same manner express its deep fears and problems to stranger."
you 100% sure she's EII? Women are often typed as ethical by default, while they actually may be logical. If someone explodes like that, it suggests weak Ethics. EIIs are literally the most peaceful types (along with SEIs). Cinderella is the archetype.
@NiceSuccubus Yeah it doesn't sound like an EII to me at all ngl.
@@Just_Rusted EIIs don’t explode they will ignore you or something and they don’t try to get above you cuz it’s not worth it to them
Your friend is probably an ESI.
Are SX4s detailed oriented?
Hard to say, the detail orientation with strong morality is archetype of SP 4 and that is what ESI portrait is like.
YES,they are
ILI is so sucks.
I am this shit
Lol true!!
Lmao I'm IEI but ILI is so damn real and i mistyped as one alot too. Worst types to be istg
Hey Rusted, Nice video, And I do agree with it cos my sister is an IEI and whenever I Write something down in an extremely direct way she always tells me to reword it in a kinder way, she’s also extremely manipulative lol
I also wrote down some MBTI correlations cos it’s been a while since your last MBTI correlations video and since you updated the Socionics/Enneagram video I decided to correlate the new types, a lot of changes happened lol (and I know it’s a bad system but it’s one that most people use today that’s more truer than astrology so you kinda have to consider it)
ENFP: IEE, EIE (Sx7, So2)
INFP: EII, IEI (Sp4, So4, Sx5)
ESTJ: LSE (E1, Sp3)
ISTJ: SLI, LSI (Sp5, So6, Sp9)
ESFP: SEE, ESE (Sp2, Sx2, Sx8)
ISFP: ESI, SEI (Sp4, Sx4, Sx9)
ENTJ: LIE (So3, Sp3, Sp7)
INTJ: LII, ILI, LSI (E5, So6)
ESTP: SLE, SEE (E8)
ISTP: LSI, SLI (Sp5, Sx6, Sp9)
ENFJ: EIE, ESE (So2, Sx3)
INFJ: IEI, ESI, EII (Sp4, So4, Sx5, Sp6)
ENTP: ILE, LIE (So7, Sp7)
INTP: ILI, LII (E5, So6)
ESFJ: ESE, SEI (Sx2, Sp2, Sx3, So9)
ISFJ: SEI (Sx9, So9)
Let me know what you think
Nowadays i am getting away from the idea that an mbti has multiple different possible types and that you can bend logic like with ESTP SEE for example, a type that is Ti polr being Ti aux.
To me it's a simple dilemma of consistency, an ESTP SEE would be what in jung, ES(T)? That would not be SEE so if it's ES(F) in jung why wouldn't we just call it ESFP? it's a FEELING type after all.
@@Just_Rusted I can understand where you’re coming from but also you have to remember Socionics functions and Mbti functions are completely different
For example an LSI is called ISTj in Socionics despite it having a Ti Base function, and when you read LSI it fits more with ISTJ and when you read SLI it fits with ISTP but it can only be Sp5 or Sp9 and not a 6 core even though when you read the Values of an ISTP seems very Sx6ish
Even when you read So9 it literally sounds like the Archetype of an ESFJ but it can only have SEI in the Stack cos the actual ESE is much more Assertive (Se Demon), and like you put Aimee Gibbs from Sex Education is a great example
Also when you read the tertiary functions they don’t align with Socionics Role, infact Tertiary aligns more with Suggestive functions (It’s the growth function) which is the 5th function
Cannot understand why would ENFJ with Si trickster be ESE with Ni PoLR? Also you forgot to add ESI for ISFJ. Pretty much good list👍
@@rakhatkupeev0311 I didn’t add ESI because ISFJ and 4 don’t correlate at all
ISFJ don’t have creativity in them due to Si Auxiliary, and E4 is a very creative oriented type
I was gonna say ISFJ 1 to be ESI but apparently that’s not a thing either
It’s mainly cos I can see ENFJ 3 being a thing but only for Sx3, Elle Woods from Legally Blonde is a Good Example and even Gwen Stacy from TASM
@@Shade571U mean it is impossible for ISFJs & si doms in general to be creative and 4s to be not very creative at all? Bruh. Not having a creativity is not same thing as not being type 4.
im like kurt cobain. is he iei?
Yes
@@Just_Rusted thanks for confirming
Are so7s perfectionistic ?
Not sure if i'd call them that.
They are, to a degree. Majority of them are ENTP in MBTI and have strong Ti, which is inherently perfectionistic. "Additionally, there is a perfectionist quality to the Ti user wherein their personal desire for purity of logos is at once a desire for purity of the self. Indeed, the Ti user's success in building this logic framework is tied to their sense of identity, as they may view themselves primarily as a truth-seeker and truth-speakers. There will be an ethical quality to their pursuit which manifests in a valuing of neutrality, honesty, authenticity and clarity. Lack of neutrality, honesty or lack of clarity will be sensed as a transgression; one which they avoid in their own behavior and which they may also depreciate in others. As a compass function, Ti will strive for a type of nobility of character which it can sustain only if it feels it is being honest with itself and avoiding as many impurities as possible in its own thinking. This high personal standard can cause the Ti user to become entirely mute as their ignorance forces them to retract any opinion or utterance that they cannot firmly stand behind. The strong Ti user may be a very silent presence at school or in the workforce, speaking only occasionally and after minutes or hours of reflection on what he wishes to say. If their logical devotion is towards an art project or creative endeavor, the same bottleneck may appear, causing them to hesitate in publishing any works until everything feels entirely perfect. They may feel their works are never quite precise enough and will spend countless hours in the refinement process - aiming always for their writings, paintings or manifestations to capture their thoughts and intentions with no compromise. This can lead to negative feelings and self-blame forming for mistakes made or inaccurate information given."
"I'd say so." -Me, a social 7
honestly a pretty rational perspective and view on these sociotypes. felt it was expanded on far more with introverts, which is good because introverts in socionics are often misunderstood
They're not as circlejerked as the extraverted types who like to hear themselves talk that is for sure so giving some in depth look on the introverts is always good
Marcus Aurelius full type ?
IF[S].
Definitely EII. His book mediations screams R valuing and he might be Sp6 but PDB but people have typed enneagram 1 due to his book and scriptures in terms of self improvement.
Here’s WSS blog on Marcus Aurelius worldsocionics.blogspot.com/2016/03/marcus-aurelius-eii-analysis.html?m=1
EII sp6
first (i am the best)
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