i think this is really helpful as i have just got my first horse moving away for lessons and knowing how to warm up, many people think a warm up is easy but they don't think as to why they warm up, so rush the warm up and canter 5 minuets after starting riding!
I love his riding, and I love this horse! It must be difficult to resist collecting it more, when you can see how unbelievably much capacity it has! Wow..
so well said !!! very good demonstration - like it !!! people who argue with that have no idea or feeling about true riding or unfortunately never had good trainers .......
what did he really say? apart from 'do them' he reports some supposed effects, most of which are not even true 'the horse lifts the withers' (no he didn't) 'the horse steps under further' (no he did not!) just look at where the hindleg lands relative to the nice white shabrak... he harldy EVER steps beyond the rear corner... where the hoof should land around the back of the saddle... in the downward transitions the hindlegs should step almost to the middle of the riders saddle... whereas here we see the hindleg shorten from a serious rein aid (even opening the mouth despite a flash noseband) and landing tip down not even forward of the knee of the horse... so what did he tell you that you didn't know already?
It is behind vertical, yes, but the horse is not collected yet and is therefore not asked to stay in, or slightly in front of vertical yet. He is riding the horse forward and down (that's what we call it in Danish, I don't know the exact English term). The horse is very relaxed, and the 'behind vertical' thing is therefore not hurtfull nor a problem from my point of view.
in english it should be called - Incorrect- the throat latch is closed - and notice his hind legs are become wider behind and starting to push out to the side instead of being able to correctly reach comfortably and in balance underneath his barrel allowing his back to come up and naturally over into a light contact. the poll is supposed to be the highest point, or when the neck is lowered, the nose must be allowed to be at or slightly in front of the vertical.
Nice horse.....looks conformationally and movement wise like my 5 yr old by Sandro King, Shame it was ridden in the warm up so behind the vertical, A better stretch with the lifting of the back and tracking up should have been achieved with a more open jaw and slightly infront of the vertical LONG AND LOW at ALL times.
I am missing warming up in canter and walk and all the warming up excercises which would be necessary for collection. A Grand Prix horse needs a different warming up than lower dressage levels.
the english term is "long and low". I agree with the relaxation, but the horse is not quite carrying himsef but rather "supporting himself" on the rider's hand. even later in the exercise when the horse's neck came up he was still behing somewhat "hanging on the hand". I bet you that when the rider will try to PROPERLY collect him on a simple bit he will have the problem carrying his head up and infront of the vertical and will get a "shaky head" & "bumping on a bit"
......but you can compete in show jumping and X country in a Dr Cook! Can anyone explain to me why BD insist on a bit to ride correctly and compete?? All the movements can be trained and ridden without one as Uta Graff demonstrates on U tube riding Le Noir inspirational stuff!!
Only when the top line is strong enough can the horse be asked "bit by bit" to LIFT the neck but still keeping the face INFRONT of the vertical together with the swing through a lifted back. The mouth should also remain shut without being strapped shut too! I achieve all this without a bit in just a halter and reins......one doesn't need a bit to do any of this, try a Dr Cook bitless Bridle, but don't expect to be able to compete in one unless you live in Holland or South Africa!!
Staying in front of the vertical has nothing to do with collection. Since the horses' cervical spine is S-shaped (ours isn't!), stretching the horses neck (and back) means to stretch that S. And that is only possible, if the horse is ridden FORWARD-downward not backwards (in contrary to us humans - stretching our neck means moving backward-downwards..).
collection, by definition is the balancing onto the hindlegs by means of relative elevation and haunch flexion. those tow things are contrary to long and low and worse: LDR. the horse should be seen to offer self carriage and in order to balance front to back it needs to balance each constituent part side to side, this we call straightness, where each part is 'surfing on the wave' the idea to send the horse forward with the leg as opposed to the seat makes horses hard in the hand and makes true collection very hard. are you collected? well, can you transition to a collected gallop at any time? can you turn at any time? can you lead change at any time? can you react to changing situations? then your horse is with you. if your reins don't matter much any more... then you are collected... (old masters start talking about collection once the top of the nostril is HIGHER than the top of the croup... yes, thàt high... the 2000 or so years that peoples lives depended on having a horse 100% working in battle they were consistently striving for high levels of collection, light reins and horses that worked into old age (25-30 yo being relatively common))
not collected yet.. .he can't collect if he's leaning down on his forehand with his legs out behind him. It's pretty pathetic how clueless most of the commentators are on this ride. As nicely as this horse moves while ridden incorrectly front to back, I have no doubt he moves far nicer at liberty.
this horse IS collected. you can see how he uses his back legs and how they come well under him, plus his tail is a tiny bit out from the body. i do not like how curled uæ the horse is either, but saying this horse isnt collected is not true. could it be better? sure
this horse is distinctly behind the bit, and the hindlegs are way out the back... collection requires the hindlegs to carry under the body and to have hankenbiegung... no haunches flexion here. you see it in the socalled 'half halts to walk' he does here, you see the hindlegs coming to the back from the hand, as opposed to lifting the wither with a hindleg carrying the halt, coming further under. this has nothing to do with collection whatsoever
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i think this is really helpful as i have just got my first horse moving away for lessons and knowing how to warm up, many people think a warm up is easy but they don't think as to why they warm up, so rush the warm up and canter 5 minuets after starting riding!
I love his riding, and I love this horse! It must be difficult to resist collecting it more, when you can see how unbelievably much capacity it has! Wow..
That horse is an incredible mover!
He is awesome, 10 months on I wonder who he is and what he's doing. Excellent rider too, really enjoyed watching this video, really motivating too.
so well said !!! very good demonstration - like it !!! people who argue with that have no idea or feeling about true riding or unfortunately never had good trainers .......
this was great info as im working on transitions and it can be difficult. thanksfor posting
what did he really say? apart from 'do them'
he reports some supposed effects, most of which are not even true
'the horse lifts the withers' (no he didn't)
'the horse steps under further' (no he did not!)
just look at where the hindleg lands relative to the nice white shabrak... he harldy EVER steps beyond the rear corner... where the hoof should land around the back of the saddle...
in the downward transitions the hindlegs should step almost to the middle of the riders saddle... whereas here we see the hindleg shorten from a serious rein aid (even opening the mouth despite a flash noseband) and landing tip down not even forward of the knee of the horse...
so what did he tell you that you didn't know already?
It is behind vertical, yes, but the horse is not collected yet and is therefore not asked to stay in, or slightly in front of vertical yet. He is riding the horse forward and down (that's what we call it in Danish, I don't know the exact English term). The horse is very relaxed, and the 'behind vertical' thing is therefore not hurtfull nor a problem from my point of view.
this horse is just outstanding.
AWESOME. AWESOME. AWESOME.
Nice moving horse...shame he is ridden so behind the vertical when his neck is lower....the gullet should be more open Forward down and OUT
in english it should be called - Incorrect- the throat latch is closed - and notice his hind legs are become wider behind and starting to push out to the side instead of being able to correctly reach comfortably and in balance underneath his barrel allowing his back to come up and naturally over into a light contact. the poll is supposed to be the highest point, or when the neck is lowered, the nose must be allowed to be at or slightly in front of the vertical.
Nice horse.....looks conformationally and movement wise like my 5 yr old by Sandro King, Shame it was ridden in the warm up so behind the vertical, A better stretch with the lifting of the back and tracking up should have been achieved with a more open jaw and slightly infront of the vertical LONG AND LOW at ALL times.
Im going to plumton college in 3 years !
I am missing warming up in canter and walk and all the warming up excercises which would be necessary for collection. A Grand Prix horse needs a different warming up than lower dressage levels.
what saddle is he riding in plz?
wooooow. That horse freakin floats.
the english term is "long and low". I agree with the relaxation, but the horse is not quite carrying himsef but rather "supporting himself" on the rider's hand. even later in the exercise when the horse's neck came up he was still behing somewhat "hanging on the hand". I bet you that when the rider will try to PROPERLY collect him on a simple bit he will have the problem carrying his head up and infront of the vertical and will get a "shaky head" & "bumping on a bit"
......but you can compete in show jumping and X country in a Dr Cook! Can anyone explain to me why BD insist on a bit to ride correctly and compete?? All the movements can be trained and ridden without one as Uta Graff demonstrates on U tube riding Le Noir inspirational stuff!!
Only when the top line is strong enough can the horse be asked "bit by bit" to LIFT the neck but still keeping the face INFRONT of the vertical together with the swing through a lifted back. The mouth should also remain shut without being strapped shut too! I achieve all this without a bit in just a halter and reins......one doesn't need a bit to do any of this, try a Dr Cook bitless Bridle, but don't expect to be able to compete in one unless you live in Holland or South Africa!!
I like this horse :)
@YogiNLiza: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU!
It's curl spin behind
I think I wanna test ride but any job offer hackers have the mails mobil
I was thinking that through the entire video... lol
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I'd get travel sick up there..
Staying in front of the vertical has nothing to do with collection. Since the horses' cervical spine is S-shaped (ours isn't!), stretching the horses neck (and back) means to stretch that S. And that is only possible, if the horse is ridden FORWARD-downward not backwards (in contrary to us humans - stretching our neck means moving backward-downwards..).
collection, by definition is the balancing onto the hindlegs by means of relative elevation and haunch flexion. those tow things are contrary to long and low and worse: LDR.
the horse should be seen to offer self carriage and in order to balance front to back it needs to balance each constituent part side to side, this we call straightness, where each part is 'surfing on the wave'
the idea to send the horse forward with the leg as opposed to the seat makes horses hard in the hand and makes true collection very hard.
are you collected? well, can you transition to a collected gallop at any time? can you turn at any time? can you lead change at any time?
can you react to changing situations? then your horse is with you.
if your reins don't matter much any more... then you are collected...
(old masters start talking about collection once the top of the nostril is HIGHER than the top of the croup... yes, thàt high... the 2000 or so years that peoples lives depended on having a horse 100% working in battle they were consistently striving for high levels of collection, light reins and horses that worked into old age (25-30 yo being relatively common))
the horse is totally behind the bit... 45° behind the vertical and hindlegs clearly out of the backside.. this is a very bad example...
did this guy ride at a clinic with CONRAD SCHUMACHER? I think he was the demo rider.. thanks!
My trainer works on these things with me. IT'S FOUNDATION. If yours does not time to change trainers.
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not collected yet.. .he can't collect if he's leaning down on his forehand with his legs out behind him. It's pretty pathetic how clueless most of the commentators are on this ride. As nicely as this horse moves while ridden incorrectly front to back, I have no doubt he moves far nicer at liberty.
this horse IS collected. you can see how he uses his back legs and how they come well under him, plus his tail is a tiny bit out from the body. i do not like how curled uæ the horse is either, but saying this horse isnt collected is not true. could it be better? sure
this horse is distinctly behind the bit, and the hindlegs are way out the back...
collection requires the hindlegs to carry under the body and to have hankenbiegung... no haunches flexion here.
you see it in the socalled 'half halts to walk' he does here, you see the hindlegs coming to the back from the hand, as opposed to lifting the wither with a hindleg carrying the halt, coming further under.
this has nothing to do with collection whatsoever
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