I suspect the reason for the tight-lipped response to questions about the exhumation was indeed due to Victorian attitudes - the attitudes of Queen Victoria herself, resident at Osborne House in the Isle of Wight and making her displeasure at the desecration of the remains of a family member known. Her subsequent interest in having the memorial prepared would seem to bear this out.
“Pathetic and sentimental” accurately describe so much of Victorian art. After all, Victoria herself wallowed in an orgy of grief for nearly 40 years after Albert died. Poor Elizabeth! She endured things that no child, or adult for that matter, should ever have had to experience. One thing that most historians overlook is the effects of the disastrous decisions that adults make upon their own children. What happened to her and her brother as a result of the Civil War which was a result of their father’s disastrous decisions was shameful. As a former school teacher who taught several years in a low income area with a high crime rate I saw firsthand how children were and continue to be treated as collateral damage in their parents’ efforts to break or subvert the law. This attitude is shameful regardless of what period of history it happened in.
Well stated, however, I would suggest reading John Holt and Raymond Moore's books on how compulsory government instruction destroyed the American family and CONVINCED poor people they were inept at educating their own children.
@@williamegler8771 The poster was referring to the memorial for the late Stuart Princess, commissioned and realized well in the reign of Queen Victoria, hence reflecting Victorian taste.
I have been to Carisbrooke Castle and Newport numerous times over the last 50+ years and have always been aware of Princess Elizabeth whose story was particularly appealing to a history obsessed teen girl such as I once was :) Elizabeth's life is a reminder of the personal tragedies caused by power politics
A beautiful, poignant monument to another short life. All that she saw and lived no doubt took its toll on her. Perhaps it's a good thing she rests in peace, safe on the Isle of Wight. Thanks so much Allan.
its such a shame the way people seem incapable of leaving remains to remain undisturbed. i live in a rural area of new england, & during the period of the revolutionary war & when small pox was rampant and misunderstood, many small private burial grounds were constructed. some due to misunderstanding of how the virus was transmitted, leaving those who died from it, being banned from public burial lots. i believe this is what led to others who served in the war being buried with their earlier deceased family members in private lots. as a kid in the early 90's, i stumbled upon a small graveyard which was entirely abandoned. trees grew up between graves, the ground was deeply sunken a foot or more above each casket, due to wood decomposition & settling. in the years since, these lots have been 'discovered' by so called 'historians' who meddle, and fiddle with the graves under the guise of research, but nothing is to be learned other than the narcissism of their small lives & their greed knowing no bounds.
A formidable young woman, who no doubt would have become yet more so, had she been granted longer life. A young woman who, as is so often the case, was possessed of more fortitude, resilience, courage, and compassion than a great many men.
Elizabeth's life is so heartbreaking. She was so kind and resilient during the brutal civil war. Being caught in the crossfire between two political factions destroying the country is something no child or anyone should go through. And her tragic final meeting with her father was basically the final nail in the coffin. Despite her downward spiral after her father's death, she maintained her chill nature until the very end. She died alone but her soul and spirit has been set free and into God's hands in eternal peace.
The poor child, victim of the blot on our history that is the execution of the king. Thank you for this video, as usual narrated with sensitivity and beautifully illustrated.
There are worse blots! For example, Henry VIII beheading his Queens, his daughter earning the title "Bloody Mary" for burning almost 300 protestants at the stake. The blots are really in abundance in history.
Always sad to hear about these kids dying in their teens and twenties. They'd made it all the way through the desperately perilous younger years, only to die on the cusp of adulthood.
She and her brother must so often felt alone and vulnerable, and poor Prince Henry had to spend the last two years of his imprisonment without her. In spite of the sentimentality of the memorial she commissioned, I find it touching that Queen Victoria had it done. Thank you for this thoughtful video.
Thank you for this account of a surprisingly interesting Stuart princess. I didn’t know that she was lodged at Syon House with her brothers. It still looks like a country estate from the riverside at Kew, notwithstanding being in the middle of West London. Syon wasn’t short of historic residents, with Catherine Howard and Jane Grey being but two.
Thank you for this account of the Princess Elizabeth. What a sad life. Do you believe she and her brother were safe from being killed? It seems that they were in danger as the reign of Cromwell began to fail. I would think that would cause one to be despondent.
Thank you, Allan! I’ve been watching since your earliest episodes. I regard your channel to be an island of thoughtful civility in the often turbulent contents of TH-cam. Unlike other history channels whose claims demand a grain of salt, I trust what you say. 😊 That alone makes you unique! I enjoy every minute of it.
Dear Allan thank you so much for this video. You can't help but feel for little Elizabeth and all that she had to go through. I want to especially thank you for the length of this video as there were so many details and you didn't cut anything out. Can you tell me if there's any books on Elizabeth Stewart on her life? I have to say that I was moved by monument made for her. It moves you to grieve for a life lost so long ago just like Princess Charlotte of Wales in St George Chapel. As always thank you for your hard work.
Hmm, YT acting up today. After ads or scrolling the comments, the video blacks out. Audios works well. Have to restart to see the video again. It’s not only this video, but others.
Thank you, i'm very much enjoying your videos, cheers from Italy! One question, you say her victorian memorial is some meters away from the vault, well where exatcly is the vault positioned when compared to the memorial?
How so? Lady Jane Grey was murdered by beheading, on the orders of Queen Mary I. Due to her relatives forcing her to try to take the crown. Princess Elizabeth died of natural causes, and possibly malnutrition. I don’t really see the connection, I would love to hear why do you though. 😊
@@Kenzalina_ She didn't try. She was Queen for 9 days! And she was not killed for that at the time when Mary Tudor took her throne from Jane. She wasn't killed until her husband and father joined the resistance against Mary I's marriage to Phillip of Spain. Obviously, the similarity was her fate of early death due to no decision of her own but her father's, etc.
@@Kenzalina_ Hi, thanks for responding. I was thinking only of her sex, youth and high level of education (e.g. Lady Jane Grey was once observed reading Plato, in Greek). I agree that the manner of death was totally different.
@@davidhowe6905 Thanks for your response David. Yes, both girls seemed to be highly intelligent. Catherine Parr was certainly instrumental in educating both Jane and Elizabeth I. Sadly that living situation ended tragically for all except for Elizabeth I. Princess Elizabeth Stewart seems to have been not looked after well, after her governesses death. I do find it interesting that they both became mythologized in the Victorian Era. Thanks for your kind response. I enjoy looking at history from other’s perspectives.
@@Kenzalina_ Reminds me that Queen Elizabeth I made a translation of Boethius into English (something also done many centuries earlier by King Alfred - another monarch fond of learning).
so she had scoliosis....which makes it look like your legs are different lengths. A curved spine will make the legs develop differently but she would not necessarily look horrifically deformed
I've got moderate scoliosis and didnt even know until I had an x-ray at the age of 51. Had a lot of back and shoulder problems, though no hip or leg problems.
Can you please make a video on the imperial crown 👑 of India, it too is a forgotten part of crown jewels....well I do understand that it might turn out to be a bit controversial 😢
Agree! Or, perhaps less controversial, the crown of Hanover - and interesting relic of a backwater of Georgian history, when Salic law saw the parting of the ways between Britain and Hanover on Queen Victoria’s accession. Of itself, it is simple and (I think) really rather beautiful.
@@Floortile Interesting. Where is it now? That's an excellent topic and the Imperial Indian as well. I too am interested in learning about the Indian regalia. He's pretty good with what he covers though. He's done so many topics.
The crown remains the personal property of the (somewhat unsympathetic) royal house of Hanover. My understanding is that it was on display at Marienburg Castle, their summer castle, and it may still be. However, there is an unseemly legal battle at the moment between Ernest August, the head of the royal house, and his son (also Ernest Augustus) as to ownership of the castle.
the death of this one young woman, though sad and lonely, is only one of the many who died in the service of, or in service against, her father, whose grandiose ambitions in defiance of his own subjects, sealed her fate. and that of thousands of others to a much more grim existence and death.
What a tragedy. All that young intelligence with huge potential for critical thought in a future world taken away due to a lack of Vitamin D. A little Sunshine in her life would have made a difference. Spiritually minded folks who apreciate metaphors, would suspect the God's have a sense of humour and like to keep the best in humans close to themselves.
I suspect the reason for the tight-lipped response to questions about the exhumation was indeed due to Victorian attitudes - the attitudes of Queen Victoria herself, resident at Osborne House in the Isle of Wight and making her displeasure at the desecration of the remains of a family member known. Her subsequent interest in having the memorial prepared would seem to bear this out.
The quality of her memorial carving is exquisite. I appreciate the incorporation of the raised iron bars showing her free of captivity in death.
What a very sorrowful story.
Thank you for bringing back to life the history of this young princess.
“Pathetic and sentimental” accurately describe so much of Victorian art. After all, Victoria herself wallowed in an orgy of grief for nearly 40 years after Albert died. Poor Elizabeth! She endured things that no child, or adult for that matter, should ever have had to experience. One thing that most historians overlook is the effects of the disastrous decisions that adults make upon their own children. What happened to her and her brother as a result of the Civil War which was a result of their father’s disastrous decisions was shameful. As a former school teacher who taught several years in a low income area with a high crime rate I saw firsthand how children were and continue to be treated as collateral damage in their parents’ efforts to break or subvert the law. This attitude is shameful regardless of what period of history it happened in.
The Stuarts in question were in power during the mid-1600s and the Victorian era wasn't until 1837.
I blame the upstart Cromwell and his minions myself
Well stated, however, I would suggest reading John Holt and Raymond Moore's books on how compulsory government instruction destroyed the American family and CONVINCED poor people they were inept at educating their own children.
@@williamegler8771 The poster was referring to the memorial for the late Stuart Princess, commissioned and realized well in the reign of Queen Victoria, hence reflecting Victorian taste.
A beautiful statue indeed, full of pathos. Such a shame that she died so young.
I have been to Carisbrooke Castle and Newport numerous times over the last 50+ years and have always been aware of Princess Elizabeth whose story was particularly appealing to a history obsessed teen girl such as I once was :) Elizabeth's life is a reminder of the personal tragedies caused by power politics
A beautiful, poignant monument to another short life. All that she saw and lived no doubt took its toll on her. Perhaps it's a good thing she rests in peace, safe on the Isle of Wight. Thanks so much Allan.
There's much worse places to be than the Isle of Wight. Thanks for telling us this story.
its such a shame the way people seem incapable of leaving remains to remain undisturbed. i live in a rural area of new england, & during the period of the revolutionary war & when small pox was rampant and misunderstood, many small private burial grounds were constructed. some due to misunderstanding of how the virus was transmitted, leaving those who died from it, being banned from public burial lots. i believe this is what led to others who served in the war being buried with their earlier deceased family members in private lots. as a kid in the early 90's, i stumbled upon a small graveyard which was entirely abandoned. trees grew up between graves, the ground was deeply sunken a foot or more above each casket, due to wood decomposition & settling. in the years since, these lots have been 'discovered' by so called 'historians' who meddle, and fiddle with the graves under the guise of research, but nothing is to be learned other than the narcissism of their small lives & their greed knowing no bounds.
This is a wonderful but sad story of such a lovely young woman so wise for her years. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. 🌷👑🌷
Lady Elizabeth was lucky at least her burial wasn’t disregarded like so many others!
Great content once again Allen! 🇺🇸
A formidable young woman, who no doubt would have become yet more so, had she been granted longer life. A young woman who, as is so often the case, was possessed of more fortitude, resilience, courage, and compassion than a great many men.
Elizabeth's life is so heartbreaking. She was so kind and resilient during the brutal civil war. Being caught in the crossfire between two political factions destroying the country is something no child or anyone should go through. And her tragic final meeting with her father was basically the final nail in the coffin. Despite her downward spiral after her father's death, she maintained her chill nature until the very end. She died alone but her soul and spirit has been set free and into God's hands in eternal peace.
The poor child, victim of the blot on our history that is the execution of the king. Thank you for this video, as usual narrated with sensitivity and beautifully illustrated.
There are worse blots! For example, Henry VIII beheading his Queens, his daughter earning the title "Bloody Mary" for burning almost 300 protestants at the stake. The blots are really in abundance in history.
16:15 "and there were a few inches of semi-liquid matter at the bottom of the coffin" right as I'm taking a sip of my gravy hahaha
Always sad to hear about these kids dying in their teens and twenties. They'd made it all the way through the desperately perilous younger years, only to die on the cusp of adulthood.
Very informative. I'd never heard of Elizabeth before.
Thank you, Allan. Such a tender age, and to have witnessed such personal tragedy. Let's pray that in death her spirit has achieved peace for ever.
Poor child😢
She and her brother must so often felt alone and vulnerable, and poor Prince Henry had to spend the last two years of his imprisonment without her. In spite of the sentimentality of the memorial she commissioned, I find it touching that Queen Victoria had it done. Thank you for this thoughtful video.
My names Elizabeth and a very fine name it is too. Wonderful upload Dr Allan xx
This was a fantastic episode. Really enjoyable.
Thank you for this account of a surprisingly interesting Stuart princess. I didn’t know that she was lodged at Syon House with her brothers. It still looks like a country estate from the riverside at Kew, notwithstanding being in the middle of West London. Syon wasn’t short of historic residents, with Catherine Howard and Jane Grey being but two.
Thank you for this account of the Princess Elizabeth. What a sad life. Do you believe she and her brother were safe from being killed? It seems that they were in danger as the reign of Cromwell began to fail. I would think that would cause one to be despondent.
Thank you for yet another superb article on someone would have been lost to history otherwise.
So many stories of historically significant people go untold. This is a wonderful video that tells one of those stories. I enjoyed it very much.
Thank you, Allan! I’ve been watching since your earliest episodes. I regard your channel to be an island of thoughtful civility in the often turbulent contents of TH-cam. Unlike other history channels whose claims demand a grain of salt, I trust what you say. 😊 That alone makes you unique! I enjoy every minute of it.
That is very kind of you, what a compliment. I think we need islands of civility in this turbulent world in general. Thank you.
This was so interesting. Again, thank you for my lesson. ❤😊
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Thank you Martha.
As a viewer and Patreon, I say thank you, Martha. Just wanted to say that to you.
Dear Allan thank you so much for this video. You can't help but feel for little Elizabeth and all that she had to go through. I want to especially thank you for the length of this video as there were so many details and you didn't cut anything out. Can you tell me if there's any books on Elizabeth Stewart on her life?
I have to say that I was moved by monument made for her. It moves you to grieve for a life lost so long ago just like Princess Charlotte of Wales in St George Chapel. As always thank you for your hard work.
What an interesting insight to the past. Thank you.
Timing is everything in life : )
Hmm, YT acting up today. After ads or scrolling the comments, the video blacks out. Audios works well. Have to restart to see the video again. It’s not only this video, but others.
Fascinating, Allan! Thank you!
Fascinating thankyou.
Playing catch up on many of these videos. As usual, I learned something new. Thank you.
Fascinating! Many Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you, i'm very much enjoying your videos, cheers from Italy! One question, you say her victorian memorial is some meters away from the vault, well where exatcly is the vault positioned when compared to the memorial?
interesting ... I'd never heard of her before
Very interesting…thank you
Thank you, Allan
This reminds me of Lady Jane Grey, another learned female who died tragically young.
How so? Lady Jane Grey was murdered by beheading, on the orders of Queen Mary I. Due to her relatives forcing her to try to take the crown.
Princess Elizabeth died of natural causes, and possibly malnutrition. I don’t really see the connection, I would love to hear why do you though. 😊
@@Kenzalina_ She didn't try. She was Queen for 9 days! And she was not killed for that at the time when Mary Tudor took her throne from Jane. She wasn't killed until her husband and father joined the resistance against Mary I's marriage to Phillip of Spain. Obviously, the similarity was her fate of early death due to no decision of her own but her father's, etc.
@@Kenzalina_ Hi, thanks for responding. I was thinking only of her sex, youth and high level of education (e.g. Lady Jane Grey was once observed reading Plato, in Greek). I agree that the manner of death was totally different.
@@davidhowe6905 Thanks for your response David. Yes, both girls seemed to be highly intelligent. Catherine Parr was certainly instrumental in educating both Jane and Elizabeth I. Sadly that living situation ended tragically for all except for Elizabeth I.
Princess Elizabeth Stewart seems to have been not looked after well, after her governesses death. I do find it interesting that they both became mythologized in the Victorian Era. Thanks for your kind response. I enjoy looking at history from other’s perspectives.
@@Kenzalina_ Reminds me that Queen Elizabeth I made a translation of Boethius into English (something also done many centuries earlier by King Alfred - another monarch fond of learning).
so she had scoliosis....which makes it look like your legs are different lengths. A curved spine will make the legs develop differently but she would not necessarily look horrifically deformed
I've got moderate scoliosis and didnt even know until I had an x-ray at the age of 51. Had a lot of back and shoulder problems, though no hip or leg problems.
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Marochetti-the “ch” is pronounced as one would a “k” in English.
U know I hate to say this but I'm so glad I was born in those time there medical practice and conditions were extremely bad...
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Can you please make a video on the imperial crown 👑 of India, it too is a forgotten part of crown jewels....well I do understand that it might turn out to be a bit controversial 😢
Agree! Or, perhaps less controversial, the crown of Hanover - and interesting relic of a backwater of Georgian history, when Salic law saw the parting of the ways between Britain and Hanover on Queen Victoria’s accession. Of itself, it is simple and (I think) really rather beautiful.
@@Floortile Interesting. Where is it now? That's an excellent topic and the Imperial Indian as well. I too am interested in learning about the Indian regalia. He's pretty good with what he covers though. He's done so many topics.
The crown remains the personal property of the (somewhat unsympathetic) royal house of Hanover. My understanding is that it was on display at Marienburg Castle, their summer castle, and it may still be. However, there is an unseemly legal battle at the moment between Ernest August, the head of the royal house, and his son (also Ernest Augustus) as to ownership of the castle.
@@Floortile Ok. Thank you for the information.
the death of this one young woman, though sad and lonely,
is only one of the many who died in the service of,
or in service against, her father, whose grandiose ambitions
in defiance of his own subjects, sealed her fate.
and that of thousands of others to
a much more grim existence and death.
Not everyone was against the King.
@@skadiwarrior2053 Can you not read? He mentioned in service of before those against! Honestly!
:54 double first cousin, no less
What a tragedy. All that young intelligence with huge potential for critical thought in a future world taken away due to a lack of Vitamin D. A little Sunshine in her life would have made a difference.
Spiritually minded folks who apreciate metaphors, would suspect the God's have a sense of humour and like to keep the best in humans close to themselves.
So cruel to keep those children away from their mother! What harm could such children do to them? It seems so unnecessary!
I think it may have been more, how much harm could the Mother do to the children.
She looks a lot like Emma Watson.