Thanks for watching! If you would like the PDF Outline of Pat's Method, along with the guitar pro, pdf, and music xml files for this lesson click here (Patreon): patreon.com/NathanBortonMusicPatreon?Link&
Great lesson! Everyone needs to understand Pat’s “symmetrical parental forms”. There are 2 chords that are easy to play on the guitar and that lead to the discovery of other chords: the 3-note augmented triad and the 4-note Diminished 7th chord. 1) Play 554 on the GBE strings for C augmented (1-3-#5). If you lower any one of those 3 notes, you will form: C, G# or E Major triads. 2) If you instead raise any one of those 3 notes, you will form: Am, Fm, or C# minor. - Now if you play 4545 on the DGBE strings, that’s a Diminished 7th chord named for any one of those notes (F#, C, D#, A). If you raise any one of those notes, you will form a Half-Diminished 7th chord (Min7b5). If you lower any one of those notes, you will form a Dominant 7th chord. - So those 2 chords, the Augmented triad and the Diminished 7th chord, are what Pat called “symmetrical parental forms”. They are symmetrical on the guitar and can be used to find other chords. - Pat Martino was a genius! May he rest in peace!
Another real gem summarising Martino's/ Azzara's unique approach. He used to call this 'minorising' any chord sequence (using minor lines over most types of chord) - a lot to learn from this lesson. Keep 'em coming Nathan!
Thanks Rick! And what’s cool about Quantum Guitar is the inclusion of the augmented form into the minor lines! I love the F major over A7 sound personally!
I have been looking into this for a while now and this video turned on the lights for me. There are many discussions and videos on Pat Martino’s “magic chord” including his own video’s. I understood the symmetry part but not the application of the four dominant chords of the parent diminished sounding great over any one of the four.💡 I just ordered Pat Martino’s book “Linear Expressions” and it should be a lot easier now that I get the theory. Onto putting it into practice. Thanks! You brought it down to earth for me! The art of a real teacher. Pat Martino Demystified!
So happy to hear this! Glad this video helped you out. Also make sure to check out the augmented family portion of the video. When you combine both together you can get some great stuff!
Hope you it helps! I think it’s a great way to generate new ideas. I personally love the Fmaj over A7 sound from the augment form! I’ve heard monk use that sound in his comping before!
the cool thing about augmented triads is that if you raise a note it becomes the root of a minor triad and if you lower the note it becomes the fifth of a major triad that coincedentaly it the relative major to the previous minor....
This is my favorite video you have ever done. I love Pat and Barry. Trying to understand both of their approaches together is how I spend a great deal of time practicing. Thanks!
Great video! Btw just wanna know your opinion. Would you recommend someone to study Pat Martino straight ahead if they understand music theory and is kinda an advanced player to get into bebop or should he/she study other things first (that you might recommend)? Thanks!
Hi, thanks for your question! I would say that if you have a foundation in jazz and are able to improvise over different sounds (like being able to just solo over C7 or just G-7) then using pat's concept can help incorporate other ways to use those ideas. Though I will say that for comping, using the augmented sounds is pretty cool! If you listen to monk comp, you can hear him use these triads over dominant chords (listen to More Than You Know - Sonny Rollins for examples)
Thanks a lot Nathan . Very very good instruction ; I love Pat and I 'm happy you make a video with his method ; If you can follow that it's " Christmas"🙏
If you can play dorian/mm you can learn to play like Pat. You just have to use your ears and change how you resolve things. MM is the trick to it all. He uses the diminished chord as his 'parental form' but most of his lines can be understood by thinking dorian/mm. (MM isn't a major scale with a flattened 3rd, it's the dorian mode with a raised 7th. Makes much more sense to me as it's a minor scale).
Off their two chords yes. Like C7’s “ii chord” is G-7 (or think about it a fifth up from C). You can not only play G-7 ideas over C7, but over all the other chords from the diminished family! Also remember that you can combine Caug sounds with that as well! (For more color)
Hi John, thanks for your question. Unfortunately there is no scale there but instead it’s a line directly transcribed from Pat (from quantum guitar video) showcasing the “4 dimensional” playing, being the main concept shown in this video
amazing info and presentation. thanks a lot... as a future idea: you could create a few follow up videos of just some lines built off the various ideas.
What are some ways you where thinking? I open to making more videos off this one! You could also transcribe some of the lines off Pat's video. That helped me a lot (though it took some work)!
One way to simplify is to start by practicing arpeggios from each of the chord tones of the dominant. Then practice the dominants a minor third apart (for example: G7, Bb7, Db7, E7). Then practice arpeggios from each of the chord tones of those chords. The "lower each tone of a diminished chord to get a dominant" is just a handy way to remember those four dominant chords. It also relates them to the V7b9 (G7 with an Ab, for example). You can mix and match language from those sounds to suit your taste. I personally haven't worked much with the augmented, so it will be fun to sort out.
Thanks for watching! If you would like the PDF Outline of Pat's Method, along with the guitar pro, pdf, and music xml files for this lesson click here (Patreon): patreon.com/NathanBortonMusicPatreon?Link&
Great lesson! Everyone needs to understand Pat’s “symmetrical parental forms”. There are 2 chords that are easy to play on the guitar and that lead to the discovery of other chords: the 3-note augmented triad and the 4-note Diminished 7th chord.
1) Play 554 on the GBE strings for C augmented (1-3-#5). If you lower any one of those 3 notes, you will form: C, G# or E Major triads. 2) If you instead raise any one of those 3 notes, you will form: Am, Fm, or C# minor.
- Now if you play 4545 on the DGBE strings, that’s a Diminished 7th chord named for any one of those notes (F#, C, D#, A). If you raise any one of those notes, you will form a Half-Diminished 7th chord (Min7b5). If you lower any one of those notes, you will form a Dominant 7th chord.
- So those 2 chords, the Augmented triad and the Diminished 7th chord, are what Pat called “symmetrical parental forms”. They are symmetrical on the guitar and can be used to find other chords.
- Pat Martino was a genius!
May he rest in peace!
also remember that you can combine the forms (as per this video) to get some crazy lines like in quantum guitar! 🎸
I've never seen so complexed and so easy to understand instructor video! Pat was a genius, a true brilliand mind! Thx, Nathan!
Thanks so much :) hope it helps you!
Another real gem summarising Martino's/ Azzara's unique approach. He used to call this 'minorising' any chord sequence (using minor lines over most types of chord) - a lot to learn from this lesson. Keep 'em coming Nathan!
Thanks Rick! And what’s cool about Quantum Guitar is the inclusion of the augmented form into the minor lines! I love the F major over A7 sound personally!
I have been looking into this for a while now and this video turned on the lights for me. There are many discussions and videos on Pat Martino’s “magic chord” including his own video’s. I understood the symmetry part but not the application of the four dominant chords of the parent diminished sounding great over any one of the four.💡
I just ordered Pat Martino’s book “Linear Expressions” and it should be a lot easier now that I get the theory. Onto putting it into practice. Thanks! You brought it down to earth for me! The art of a real teacher. Pat Martino Demystified!
So happy to hear this! Glad this video helped you out. Also make sure to check out the augmented family portion of the video. When you combine both together you can get some great stuff!
Thanks Sr
Super interesting concept. I need to explore this in more depth. Thank you!
Hope you it helps! I think it’s a great way to generate new ideas. I personally love the Fmaj over A7 sound from the augment form! I’ve heard monk use that sound in his comping before!
great job!! this helps crack the code on pat's approach. thanks.
Happy to provide reasons for people! Hopefully this video opens up people to his excellent teachings
the cool thing about augmented triads is that if you raise a note it becomes the root of a minor triad and if you lower the note it becomes the fifth of a major triad that coincedentaly it the relative major to the previous minor....
This is my favorite video you have ever done. I love Pat and Barry. Trying to understand both of their approaches together is how I spend a great deal of time practicing. Thanks!
Amazing! Glad I could help!
This is great stuff, thanks for sharing your deep knowledge of Pat's genius.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant explanation of not so easy material. Pat was quite a genius
Thanks! Hoping this will be a useful resource for people looking into Pat’s teachings
Another incredible lesson!!!
Best explanation of Pat's quantum guitar method so far!
Wow, thanks!
Pat Martino is my favorite jazz guitarist!!!
One of mine too! Thanks for watching!
Masterclass lesson Nathan, thanks mate👍
No problem! Hope it helps you!
@@NathanBortonMusic not really no .not yet anyway 👍
@@millwall930 let me know if you have any questions on the topic! Happy to help :)
@@NathanBortonMusic ok I shall get back to you tomorrow..thankyou 👍👍
Wonderful video 🎸👍 thanks so much
Nice to see ya back! Thanks for watching!
@@NathanBortonMusic Always love your videos, going through some health struggles so I don't always comment but love your channel
This just opens up the whole neck.
The possibilities are limitless!
great video, thanks man! how can we apply this methodology to playing over other chords like m7 or maj7?
Great video!
Btw just wanna know your opinion. Would you recommend someone to study Pat Martino straight ahead if they understand music theory and is kinda an advanced player to get into bebop or should he/she study other things first (that you might recommend)? Thanks!
Hi, thanks for your question! I would say that if you have a foundation in jazz and are able to improvise over different sounds (like being able to just solo over C7 or just G-7) then using pat's concept can help incorporate other ways to use those ideas. Though I will say that for comping, using the augmented sounds is pretty cool! If you listen to monk comp, you can hear him use these triads over dominant chords (listen to More Than You Know - Sonny Rollins for examples)
Thanks a lot Nathan . Very very good instruction ; I love Pat and I 'm happy you make a video with his method ; If you can follow that it's " Christmas"🙏
Happy to help! I learned a bunch making this video!
Hello, do you think Pat and Doug Raney's way of thinking could be similar? They sound similar to me at times.
Although it wasn't expressed in the same way, Pat had a lot of very similar ideas to Barry Harris. Great minds...
Definitely!
Gracias!
Hope this video helps you out!
If you can play dorian/mm you can learn to play like Pat. You just have to use your ears and change how you resolve things. MM is the trick to it all. He uses the diminished chord as his 'parental form' but most of his lines can be understood by thinking dorian/mm. (MM isn't a major scale with a flattened 3rd, it's the dorian mode with a raised 7th. Makes much more sense to me as it's a minor scale).
So for the four dominant chords of the diminished form - (Gb7 C7 A7 Eb7 ) I should be able to play minor ideas?
Off their two chords yes. Like C7’s “ii chord” is G-7 (or think about it a fifth up from C). You can not only play G-7 ideas over C7, but over all the other chords from the diminished family! Also remember that you can combine Caug sounds with that as well! (For more color)
hi Nathan, may i know the scale played over the first bar of A7#5 at time 0:59? Thx :)
Hi John, thanks for your question. Unfortunately there is no scale there but instead it’s a line directly transcribed from Pat (from quantum guitar video) showcasing the “4 dimensional” playing, being the main concept shown in this video
@@NathanBortonMusic thank u :)
One of those dom7 children off the parental dim7 is the tritone sub.
amazing info and presentation. thanks a lot... as a future idea: you could create a few follow up videos of just some lines built off the various ideas.
Thanks for the idea! Also, thanks for watching!
Very clever way to relate chords by common tones it's like scrambled eggs
Pat was a genius!
The only way is God
Could you dive deeper into this? Too packed 😢
You're just not there yet mate, keep practicing
What are some ways you where thinking? I open to making more videos off this one! You could also transcribe some of the lines off Pat's video. That helped me a lot (though it took some work)!
One way to simplify is to start by practicing arpeggios from each of the chord tones of the dominant. Then practice the dominants a minor third apart (for example: G7, Bb7, Db7, E7). Then practice arpeggios from each of the chord tones of those chords. The "lower each tone of a diminished chord to get a dominant" is just a handy way to remember those four dominant chords. It also relates them to the V7b9 (G7 with an Ab, for example). You can mix and match language from those sounds to suit your taste. I personally haven't worked much with the augmented, so it will be fun to sort out.
@@NathanBortonMusicFor example linear expressions could be interesting
@@guillermor.r4831 I actually did a Pat Martino video! Here's the link (it's his quantum guitar method): th-cam.com/video/O_bpp41biPg/w-d-xo.html
😂 Lol with other Words...Everybody could I mean could now Train to understand the Jeet Kun Do off Guitars
Jazz still sucks, no matter how much you explain how to play bad music its still bad music.
Why is it bad?