Cucking a killer put of their 4k when they slug is so satisfying. I’ll sit here for 3 hours, I genuinely hav all day. One time I had an unknown basically keep injuring the bot but keeping them alive to try and get the 4k. He got it 😢 but I made him wait an hour for it so I think that’s a win
What concerns me is that people actually play like this consistenly. I went against a doctor who did this. It was pain (saying this as a killer main who frowns upon this play style abundantly)
The only thing that I think is toxic is not respecting people's time. Like the wraith game, the survivors on the ground had no way to go next quickly and had to wait the full bleedout. And the jake who just needed to stay for the whole endgame collapse for no reason.
@@ProbablyMishif the killer is toxic and lets my teammates bleed out or beats me or teammates on hook they’re getting tbagged at the exit gates. It’s just gonna happen. Thats my creed lol..
the only time i ever wait at the gates is when i’m playing the twins and am playing as victor. that way if i get someone i still have to take charolette all the map to the gate to actually do anything. victor just buys me a little more time to possibly get someone. there was one night i realized how toxic i was being as i was watching the last two survivors bleed out so i picked one up, let her struggle out, heal her friend, and lead them to the closest gen so they could finish it and leave. they both messaged me and thanked me because they had only been playing a week and that was the first time they had ever escaped. i dont give wins very often, but if i can feel i’m being toxic i will give the win away
I like the idea of Knockout in that it can cause panic and paranoia among less coordinated teams to see your teammate go down and have no idea where, especially when you're playing as a stealth killer, but yeah the reality is that 99% of the time it's used as a tool for perma slugging. I think it needs something like NOED where the aura of the slug gradually gets larger and larger over 20-30 sec
@@ProbablyMish knockout it self isnt a bad perk its needed on some survivors but not like you playing the game for fun and since your so nice but knockout can be usefull for bully sqauds and full flasghlight teams even if its boring against that side it dosnet matter if surviors play boring ill play boring and mean
I’ve been playing the new game mode almost nonstop since it released and the killers have been sooooo much more toxic than I’ve ever experienced. Almost every single game has been something awful to go against. Hard and I mean HARD tunneling, slugging for 4K, hook camping, slugging in general. I don’t understand why people are taking the new game mode so seriously. I thought it would be more chill and fun and you get extra bloodpoints but I’m not sure if the extra blood points and the chance to try perks I don’t otherwise have is worth it
Its because the garbage and toxic killers can actually get kills when no one knows what their perks are they'll be back to getting 1ks tomorrow when the event ends. Tip for you play late at night
Oh no! So sorry to hear your games were so rough! I didn't really play much of the new game mode, I like to interact with my stream too much to pay too much attention to perks & I just like my build, but I heard a lot of people were loving it!
As a killer main whos been flashlight clicked and tbagged at gate one too many times, hell yeah! Survivors give no shits to a killers fun, so why should we? Tunnel, camp, slug! Do whatever it takes to win.
In my opinion, it’s mostly situational BUT a couple things that annoy me As killer: when the survivors wait in end gate until the collapse timer is about to run out and crouch spamming in the gate as well as trying to get repeated blinds with their flashies like JUST LEAVE. Also had a survivor who had boil over and intentionally ran to a corner so that I couldn’t hook them so yes I bled them out As a survivor: when a killer slugs for no valid reason, when the killer tunnels also for no valid reason, and camping early on. Like in end game I don’t think it’s bad to face camp cuz what else can you do you know? I got tunneled out not even a full 2 minutes into a match before and I was kind of annoyed by it, very unfun match. Also if they h/ump you while they bleed you out… just unnecessary and gross behavior smh To sum it up, it’s mostly situational, but overall if you’re purposely trying to slow down the match and make it the worst experience for either side, you’re toxic. Side note: Love you and your videos so much Mish! Glad to be a part of your community ❤
I watch a friend play killer, and I can tell you that survivors waiting at the exit gates instead of just leaving or coming back once the gates are opened to taunt a killer who isn't moving and clearly wants to end the match) will usually cause them to stop caring about being "fair" soon enough. He watches hooks and doesn't tunnel, but after a few matches with teabagging, comments such as "Good job EZ", and "Baby killer", he'll say to hell with it and make play hell for survivors afterward. It's a shame, especially with the new chaos shuffle.
Yes! Once the game is over I think we should just have respect for everyone's time and leave so that we can get started in a new match! Also omg I hate the boil over & run to a corner strat... I don't blame anyone for bleeding out in those situations.
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭. Probably one of those “I play how I want, I don’t follow your little rule book” maniacs.
sadly that is allowed. I got a nemesis match where he camped me on the first hook, then slugged the other 3 and started humping them while they bled. Recorded it, sent a ticket for unsportsmanship and got politely told is a valid tactic and they invited me to educate myself into what´s considered reason to report. (i no longer bother reporting other than outright cheating)
@@DragoonKnight00no, it's not. It falls under refusing to participate in normal gameplay. Slugging everyone at five gen's and then waiting in a corner for them to bleed out is bannable
I had a death slinger tunnelling at 4 gens, slugging everyone and bm’ing me on hook all because he brought a midwich offering…HE brought a midwich offering and was upset….about getting midwich….??
OMG the other day I had a clown tunnel and bleed me out while humping and then in endgame chat he told me: "Map offering = tunnel xD" even though I didn't bring the offering and I was solo queue.. LMAO
i really respect killers who don’t tunnel. when i play killer, i try to keep the game a little balanced bc i know what it feels like pipping down when you didn’t even get the chance to play:( like im not going to let them win bc thats no fun either, but its just a game and even a little kindness in a game like this can make people’s day. but i play mobile and im very appreciative of you! ive gotten a lot more patient since watching. i hope one day i can get the main game :D
Yes, I try to play killer the way I would have fun facing as survivor. And vice versa! I am so glad to hear you've improved & hope to see you on the main game some day! Thank you for watching my videos it means a lot!
@@Girpdbd A win is considered when a killer gets a 4k or all 4 survivors escape. When 3 survivors escape and 1 dies then it's a draw. Just like hatch is. You don't need to tunnel to win..
@@Girpdbd You just need a good perk build in that case, i have faced p100 players and still managed to win at least 80% of my matches and i don't have to tunnel or face camp or slug. The trick is to catch survivors off guard and think smarter, try and watch other main youtuber killers that play legit with pure skills and you'll get there believe me. Lady Mish for instance just gave us a good advice when you are in a good spot walk slowly because the game thinks you are not in chase anymore and breaks the killer's bloodlust, so keep that in mind for next time. So that's how you improve either way.
I kid you not, I’ve been seeing this perk so much more for some reason. I faced slugging Twins back to back using it, and within a couple days a Chucky and Ghost Face who also did the same?? Like why is this remotely used at all, its just no fun for anybody.
@@sonicboy5 I mean I never complained about it, I just made an observation because all the killers I’ve seen doing this strat are typically really awful. Its like compensation to make up for how they can’t win normally, but can’t control what other players decide to do, so at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter what I think of it.
@@ProbablyMish I’ve been trying to make it to a stream lately but I’ve been soooooo busy :((( but I have been lurking during class here and there on TH-cam!!
Wraith players are some of the most miserable people on the face of the plant I swear. Id rather have a nurse then a wraith, at least then the game will be over fast 😭
i just randomly came upon your channel and it was an immediate sub for me- youre truly the energy i wish i had during any match of dbd LOL i'm usually fuming
I once played a match against the Pig who had an add-on giving all survivors Active Reverse Bear Traps at the start. There was only one correct jigsaw box for everyone, but the Pig blocked it, so we just waited to die. It was the most toxic ass game I've ever experienced.
@@DemCheeks666 it is true. it was a long time ago. I dunno what add-on that is or if the killer used a hack. But I'll never forget that match cause I was so pissed.
@@DemCheeks666This actually can happen before BHVR patched it a few updates ago, it was to prevent a pig from camping the correct box for the survivor to remove their trap when the trial starts.
Yeah that can't happen anymore, the game spawns in 5 boxes instead of 4 so she can't camp one, so I'm guessing this happened to you a while ago? also when the pig could do that a while ago, it was still entirely possible to get a 3 man out so I don't know why you all just waited to die
@@scurbbb yes it was a long time ago. I can't speak for the other survivors (maybe they just wanted to die?) I'm on solo que, but I tried all the boxes, the only one left was the one she was blocking. But it's good to know that can't happen anymore. I can't see why killers like that enjoy that tactic.
I think that slugging/tunneling/camping is purposely disrupting a normal match so it is toxic in terms of gameplay. There are perks to slow down matches (gen regression, healing slow downs, etc) so that kind of behavior is unnecessary and bad sportsmanship. But I do think that if endgame comes so quick and multiple survivors have extra hook states then camping/tunneling is fair game. Also the BM-ing on both sides (killers h/umping, b/eating survivors on hook) is toxic to me, and even if im playing survivor and see other survivors doing it (t-bagging, emoting during chases) its just corny to me.
I emote a lot but it's simply so the killer thinks I'm vaulting or moving, not to bm. Is there a difference? How is someone supposed to tell? @@kiaraelana
@@The-Doctor6969 hm that’s a good point. I think when you go out of your way to be seen emoting at the killer that’s corny but if you’re doing it to mind game that’s different bc there’s a purpose. But there’s really no way to tell the difference from the killer side
Probably the most annoying thing that can happen is that the killer slugs to get the 4k when the third survivor is already on the floor and the fourth survivor is in the corner of the map Although it is worse for me when they find the fourth survivor near the third down survivor and before hooking and immediately starting the chase with the fourth survivor, they prefer to leave the other one in the floor for 2mins. (I'm talking about 2v1 situations and when the killer stomps the match at 4-5 gens)
I play survivor and killer equally but I play slightly more killer as I prefer it. I personally think that most of the stuff considered “toxic” in this game really isn’t and the word toxic has completely lost all meaning. Here is a list of stuff from both killer and survivor I do not think is toxic: Teabagging, flashlight clicking, nodding head, tunnelling, camping, slugging, hitting on hook, humping on ground, using perks, looping, throwing pallets, killing survivors, survivors escaping. Now some of those you might be confused on why it’s even there like escaping and killing and using perks, but a lot of people get really upset at basic things, even throwing pallets? Gets really weird. When survivors teabag, flashlight click etc. that is not toxic it’s completely unbannable and just basic taunting which they are allowed to do, for killers it’s the same, just taunting. When a survivor brings a crazy build “bully build” as some say, it’s just the survivor playing the game, when a killer brings a certain build usually with noed, it’s literally just playing the game. Remember guys perks are in the game to be used lol. When killers camp and tunnel they are just playing the game with different strategies. Not everyone plays the same. What I think is REALLY toxic and not just a word I throw around when mad, is going out of you’re way to trash talk the real life player, whether it’s in the in game chat or messaging a real life person over a video game? Now that’s toxic. Just go next. If anyone actually read this whole thing, thank you :)
I believe the toxicity lies behind the reason of the action, not the action itself. Slugging someone and watching them bleed out is toxic, slugging because there are 3 survivors around you is justifiable. Tunneling someone for a petty reason (playing a specific character, wearing a certain cosmetics, bringing a flashlight) is toxic, tunneling for pressure is not (but I still think it's a skill issue/unlucky. Just take the L and move on). The thing is being toxic as killer is thousands of times more impactful than survivor. Killer mains only will never get this.
This is actually a hot take imo, I play both survivor and killer and I started off maining survivor. I started off seeing a lot of things as being toxic that killers would do and after months of that I started watching killer videos and started playing the other half of the game. Honestly, it opened my eyes and I can see why killer mains claim toxic survivor behaviour and survivor mains claim toxic killer behaviour. The game is designed to put you against each other, the killer’s job to kill you and the survivors job to try to survive. I think people often forget that as a killer you aren’t entitled to every kill, and as a survivor you aren’t entitled to surviving every time. To put it even deeper into the lore, the entity thrives off of pain and suffering, so if anything survivors causing the killer as much frustration and frenzy in their mind gaming, and the killer being as brutal and torturous in their mind gaming feeds the entity to her fullest. But at the end of the day, say ggs and appreciate your opponent in those tough games. This game actually taught me a lot in gaming and i appreciate those really frustrating trials where I have to push myself to learn a new tactic
I´m sorry but tunneling for pressure is not an excuse, UNLESS you need the pressure and the match has already advanced, like after 3 gens done for example. When there are 4 gens done, I absolutely expect tunneling, but before the "needed" pressure, to tunnel it´s just being quite an asshole, some surveys don´t even make it two minutes after match has begun unless they´ve brought anti tunneling perks or they´re lucky enough to be playing with other skilled altruistic companions (which actually doesn´t happen as often as it would be convenient) and sometimes that´s not enough even.
The way you edit your videos is so informative. I really appreciate the explanations involved with what you're doing. Helps me become a better survivor. Thanks!
i think toxicity comes from the reason behind the tactic. Bleeding everyone out while humping them its toxic, slugging one survivor to catch the last one you just saw running away not so much. Are you a swf whose whole fun comes from seeing how much you can tilt the killer?, that can be considered toxic, blinding the killer at paletes to gain distance?, that is anoyying but not really toxic. There are a lot of things in dbd that can make the match unfun for both sides and toxicity comes when they are done with that specific purpose.
Yeah… also the “zoning” isn’t exactly toxic either imo. Getting caught in a bad position sucks, but positioning is also a big part of being a skilled survivor. Like we never see survivors leaving a good loop because it’s too strong? I wouldn’t expect a killer to let the survivor get to a strong area of the map either :/
Thank you for this video!!! I think a toxic killer is one who doesn't have any intention of playing the game as it's supposed to be played but one who just abuses all of the game's overpowered perks and add on's. Killers who slug and don't pick up are really toxic.
Slugging for the 4K is toxic. I report for holding the game hostage. because that's what you're doing. You are dragging the game out and wasting everyone's time just because you are TERRIFIED of them POSSIBLY getting hatch... so lame. -Sincerely a killer main
however, i could say its toxic when you’re just going to leave them on the ground and not hooking them after you get the other (this is excused if you cant find the downed survivor though)
How exactly is the player that is trying to end the game as soon as possible holding it hostage? Seems like survivors using flashlights would be the ones holding the game hostage.
This is a bad take so flash lights and flash bangs dnt slow the game down lol everybody got they own way of playing and since the devs make perks to do it so that means it is a win con
- When they slug early on (not considering when they are just downing people who are trying to get flashy saves/etc, i mean traveling the whole ass map just to slug ppl) or tunnel for no reason other than to do it ( like, hooks someone and WAITS for them to be picked just to tunnel) - When it's endgame and survivors wait in exit gate tbbaging until time almost runs out / until killer reaches them. Or on hatch. Like, just leave, the faster you do the faster we all can go to another game. I think in general, just wasting ppls time and going out of the way to make a game less fun it's toxic.
Yes! Just being respectful of each others time. I understand slugging is necessary in some situations, but when you come in with the intention of slugging it sucks because there's little interaction/to do for the survivors on the floor.
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭
I suppose the term “toxic”is subjective. Same thing as in the video happened to me but I wouldn’t call it toxic. Some players like to slug because that’s their play-style. It’s definitely not fun for sure from the survivors pov. Toxic gameplay to me is when a player comment on other players ability or start harassing them for no reason. I was told recently to quit playing dbd bc I suck at it, and simply to go sell my account so others can make use of it. I’d want BEHAVIOUR to address this matter of “what’s a toxic gameplay” in near future. It’s a very fascinating topic.
Oh for sure! Definitely crosses a line when people take it past the game and make comments like that. I have had all sorts of comments after the match & I know people are always asking for voice chat, but honestly feel like it would just make those situations worse.
Only thing I think is toxic about playing killer is when they smack on hook, t-bag with certain killers, or do the slug hump. Otherwise, everything else is fair game and merely a strategy within the game to acquire the win. Just like how it's nothing personal when survivors spam flashlights, flashbangs, gen-rush, spam head-on, heal in your face, bodyblock etc. However, t-bagging at the gates, t-bagging at pallets etc, Imo is pretty toxic behavior. Idk, just seems like any behavior that is meant to antagonize the other player with no win condition tied to it is unnecessary. Even the Wraith in the beginning... it's like... if he brought a slug build then why wouldn't he slug? Just like if a survivor team brought 4 brand new parts and gen-rush perks... why wouldn't they gen-rush? There's nothing toxic about wanting to win the game and utilize unique builds and game mechanics to do so. That's part of the fun of the game. However, it is toxic to purposely put your opponent / opponents down with the sole intention of making them feel inadequate.
The ultimate mindgame on that bubba at shack is to stay out of his line of sight right from the beginning just long enough for him to suspect you've already somehow left shack while under his radar, or if that didn't work, have someone open gate to confirm his doubts even further, it may not do much since he might still eventually catch up if you haven't made it far to anywhere safe after leaving shack, but it might still work against killers who likes to zone others out this way (but if they're a good killer they can still pick up on your injured sound)
My definition of toxic gameplay is anyone who is intentionally trying to make the game unfun for someone else. Camping/Tunneling/Slugging isnt necessarily toxic if the killer is doing it to win and not just to piss people off. While camping/tunneling/slugging might not be the most fun thing to deal with, if the killer isn't doing it purposefully to be an ass or hold people hostage , it then falls to the devs to make a healthier game state.
As a survivor main I can never wrap my head around the fact that survivors want to rush thier objective but when it’s the killer rushing their objective it’s a problem smh such hypocrisy
as someone who doesnt play dbd much, abusing in game mechanics, is not toxic , most people play the game to win not to appeal to the other side, i would say being toxic is bypassing end game chat
Little tip. Most streamers smurf. I called one out the other day. She was spinning killers like mad I thought this is suss. Asked her to show her devotion level. Surprise surprise she said it's a new account lol my next word to her was.... Pathetic
@@MetalAddict6810 LMAO i do not smurf or have another account. I stream on this account everyday and never play off stream. I have a lot of my community added for open lobby days when I do them, and they can tell you they never see me online unless I'm live. Matchmaking is not an exact science because it prioritizes quick matches. This doesn't mean most streamers smurf.
@@MetalAddict6810 Well, that seems like a bit of an unfair assumption to make. The actions of some streamers shouldn’t be a reflection of what most streamers are like. That kind of cynicism is no good for anyone. :(
Toxicity in a game like DBD can be difficult not gonna lie. After that entire slug fiesta he wrote "gg :)" in the postgame chat. For all we know it's a person who's had a rough day, maybe even a rough week and for whatever reason find joy in securing a 4k early on by slugging and so a 3k game with a nea giving them their chase of a lifetime did make their day a lil' brighter. You feel me? I think it's very difficult due to the simple fact that often times, what one side finds enjoyable is NOT enjoyable for the other side and therefor killers and survivors can rarely if ever see eye to eye. Either way, great video. Love the commentary and skills.
I know this comment is old but he most certainly wrote that with the sole intention of trying to instigate a rise out of the survivors. People who bring knock out & deerstalker are exactly the same breed of people who used to bring basement bubba. Like sure, you can be okay with it personally but it's a widely known-to-be maligned play style and the vast majority of people who did it were specifically trying to salt bait people.
@@ProbablyMishEvery Trickster I faced so far was camping and tunnelling, including P100 Tricksters. I’m not the best survivor out there, I main killers, but it’s preposterous.
@olliem40 trickster has a strong chase power because he cant teleport or have any map control. he needs the ability to end chases quickly bcs there's no other choice. and btw the counter is prethrowing, esp at tall loops
I think the only toxic thing is ruining the game for no reason. As a new killer, some people LOVE to t-bag every chance they get, taunt at the exits the entire countdown, it's ridiculous! I understand slugging if there's no close hooks, grouped up survivors, etc. One time these two survivors crawled to a corner with no hooks so I had to let them bleed out. Another time all four were at shack so I slugged them all before hooking them, and had to let Sable bleed out since she went to the basement and was obvious about having Wicked. I think those are acceptable reasons to slug. But letting everyone bleed out just because is toxic. I went against a slugging-only Bubba with No-Mither and I got so much perk value, but I thought it was toxic since he could've ended the game at 5 gens but chose to drag it on forever. Face-camping and tunneling are genuine strategies in the late game and sometimes the only way the killer can make a comeback. I consider it rude, but not toxic, to do in the early game, especially since anti-camp exists. I sometimes like getting tunneled though since I need to practice looping 😂 but I try not to tunnel as killer unless I need to to win
Tunneling used to bother me as a new player, but doesn't really bother me now since I enjoy chases. However, I do feel bad when my teammates are getting tunneled and they are having a tough time. I do agree with situational slugging as well. I don't think slugging in itself is toxic. Thank you for leaving some feedback
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I remembered being left to bleed out by a wraith becaused there was no hooks nearby (all of my other teamates died on them) he closed the hatch before I bleed out which caused my adrenaline to active and allowed me to escape via exit game. One of my favorite moments playing this game.
Everyone can play the game however they want if the game allows you to use that style there is usually a counter like unbreakable and a few other perks. The problem i see is that so many more people complain about slugging which is very easily counterable but no one addressing survivors exploiting the eerie of crows map with boilover or springwood main with no basement this in my opinion is a much bigger issue
I just wish they added a button to make bleed out faster when slugged so then I'm not wasting 4 minutes of my day and can just move on tot he next game.
imo toxic in dbd or any game is when you stop playing to win and start playing to make the other people miserable. it sucks to say as a survivor main, but the majority of the time, when i see something i really consider toxic, it's coming from survivors. a lot of "toxic" things that killers do are just strats, like tunneling or facecamping. that's not to say that killers can't be toxic. i've seen people slug all four survivors and bleed them out instead of just hooking and ending the game, which i think is toxic bc they've won and are just being petty.
theres just no excuse to slugging unless MAYBE theres another surv around but only with the intention of hooking the person on the ground later on but bleeding everyone out is just weird and boring. another thing i find toxic are killers who still think they need to camp to win (that bubba watching the hook from afar?) embarassingggg.. literally anything a killer can do to make the game "easier" for themselves but boring for everyone else i consider toxic (slugging, tunneling)
I had a Chucky do that once on Swamp Rose. It was pretty wild. He slugged everyone and humped every body until we all bled out. Slugging is a strat you use to generate pressure, especially if you're falling behind or if you know you can snowball because a bunch of people are hovering around. But, to just let people bleed out like that makes me feel like these guys got clapped multiple games in a row and just decided to take it out on the next unfortunate lobby.
I personally dont think anything regarding actual gameplay is toxic. Granted, there are things I dislike, like being bleed out for 4 minutes, since I feel like my time is being wasted, but I dont see it as inherently toxic, since I could just bring perks to counteract it but I actively choose not to (Unbreakable, Soul Guard, etc, honestly this can be applied with literally anything in the game). Though if a player decides to use said strategies, I dont think they should complain about what other people do in a game since those strategies are often frowned upon by the general community (basically, dont deal it out if you cant handle the same type of stuff being done to you). THIS BEING SAID... once you take things out of the game and start to harass people in the post-game chat or through other various means, that is when it becomes toxic, since you are taking things that happened in a game and dragging it into the real world which is a massive "no-go" for me.
I feel like something being toxic is very situational and we apply the term when we don't even know what they were doing. A killer shaking their head no at you after downing you may feel toxic to you, but to them they were just goofing around with you. A survivor waving their hand at you while in chase feels toxic to you, but they were having fun and chase and just wanted to get your attention. I feel like the for sure toxic things I consider are needlessly bleeding out survivors, repeatedly faking unhooking a teammate so they can't get off hook, things like that. Everything else just feels more like they are labeled toxic because they're made that they lost to it.
I’m a killer main and I don’t really endorse camping or slugging in most situations. BUT… I will say the fact that killers don’t have a survivor rulebook all is fair in war ,when y’all have games constantly pallet stunning ,head on/flashlight, saving I don’t hear no Survivor main complaining …. Just assume it’s payback.🤷🏽♂️
In both sides it's clearly understandable when someone want to play the game himself and who's gonna "play" just for the sad sadistic pleasure to giving people an awful time... From the killer sides who slugs from the beginning of the match and left them intentionally suffering on the floor, wasting time intentionally for annoying and get mad the survivors... From the survivor sides we have a team full torches and all the perks for stunning the killer, just for made him feel pain to be unable to doing anything... Who play like this only for find pleasure in the suffering or bad time from the other people, honestly, they have a serious problem...
In my eyes, toxic ways of playing the game is performing any kind of behaviour that halts the game not just for you but especially for the other players. Killers seem to do this a lot more than survivors (at least from the games I usually play), and I think it's because of Behaviour. Despite the fact that you get points for doing multiple things, people only feel rewarded if they survive or if they get all four kills (no matter how either of those comes about). I don't remember which one, but @PirateSoftware talked a little bit about this in one of his videos on a different game.
Your very good and I faced a knight that did the same thing slug with knockout you did a good job looping the killer to be honest earned a new subscriber.
Wait until the toolbox buff sabo squads are going to be toxic. So slugging will be justified, but survivor mains will moan about anything the killer does.
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Me personally if it’s a strategy used to WIN the game it can’t be considered toxic imo…tunneling, slugging, camping, flashlights saves, sabotaging yes they are all annoying and can be hard to deal with….. toxic consist of things being done that doesn’t help you win the game in any shape or form which consist of tea bagging, hitting on hook, humping, nodding, holding survivors hostage for a 4k, holding killers hostage, and obviously bully squads
Slugging and camping are the only toxic plays killers can do in my humble opinion. Although survivors can be annoying, killer is the only role that can effectively deny a player the opportunity to play the game. The most toxic things i think survivors can do is 99 a gen with blastmine and finish it in the killers face when the killer is stunned, can also be done by blocking the entrance to the last gen, force the hit, tapp the gen, and disappear with adrenaline. Other things can be annoying from both sides but not as far as i would call it toxic.
Why do people keep talking about skill issues, what ever happened to playing a game because you like it and it's fun. It's not always about skill or being the best, it's a game, have some fun. I admit I'm not the best, but I like the fun of the game. Tunneling and camping, and slugging in toxic manners is not fun and it's not a skill issue.
I literally had a Huntress the other day that refused to kill me and Ada. Our team basically got run over by her and 2 were dead at 5 gens left, so we just gave up and waited at a hook. Huntress turned around to face a corner and went afk for like 5 minutes. Then, she kept hitting at a gen. We kept trying to tell her to just kill us please, but she went afk again. So I started working on the gens while Ada also went afk. I did the 5 gens while the Huntress carried Ada after me and just watched me. Then, once I was finally done, she hooked Ada and let me escape. Was the absolute shittiest game I've ever had, I was bored out of my mind and annoyed as hell.
To be fair as a killer and survivor main slugging isn’t toxic nor is camping there literally tons of survivors perks and things you can do to stop that it all game strategy at the end of the day and it literally just a game as well so doesn’t really matter at that point killers can say being in a full swf is toxic as well haha 🤣
Personally I don’t consider using the perks or the way the killers are playable in the game as a form of toxicity but I do feel like the developers need to do something about it cause it does encourage misery to people sometimes😭
Slugging is fine. Even 4k slugging. Knockout isn't even any good and is hard counters by any coms or people paying attention. Should the devs just make you bleed out faster so that people aren't "held hostage" while the killer tries to end the game as fast as they can?
I had a TTV bleed us out at 5 gens. Went into the chat to ask why he did that. Reason was because one survivor disconnected. ??? Me and my friend were a duo, how are we supposed to control what others do? Gameplay like that is just annoying
I had a ttv do this so I dc'd, I then went in his chat & he was sat there saying there definitely a swf. Lmao lil bro I'm solo que. Idc naming him either his name was something like WdragonL
omg that bubba is a baby. such a precious baby bubba omg 🤣 they are so cute trying to mindgame that shack door lmaoo im dead. they thought the whole lobby was a baby survivor lobby. im deceased🤭😭
As a killer main, I’ll never understand how these killers have fun. Chases are the best part of the game! Outwitting, outplaying, and outsmarting your opponent is the best feeling ever. Sure, there are frustrating things in the game that survivors use but that’s just how it is. Meta is meta for a reason. Either git good or play a different game. SMH.
I know that wraith, I faced him once with randoms, basically did the same thing the whole match just abusing knockout, but we actually got 2 escapes in the end, I hate that type of play style
first i will define toxic as something that makes the game less enjoyable or ruins the game for other players. i think that it is toxic could also be categorized as being when players aren’t respectful of other people’s time/feelings. my thoughts are always play in the manner you would want to face. to me it is super toxic to slug if there are no other survivors around, there’s no point to bleeding someone out. it’s toxic to tbag and wait at the gate when the killer didn’t get you. same as when the killer humps you on the ground or hits you on hook or zones you. tunnling to me is toxic because it ruins the match for everyone involved, it is so hard to come back from. dcing when you first go down is toxic because you’re hurting the game for other players. i think the bottom line is if you are doing something that actively makes the game unenjoyable for someone else on purpose that is toxic. holding people hostage when you lost is so silly and mean. literally leaving chase when the unhook notification goes off to go tunnel is insane. i think it’s toxic if there is no counter or the counter is very difficult to pull off because that just makes for un-fun gameplay.
For me toxic is just the endgame chat i've seen people lately saying i hope you get C word or end with your live etc that's toxic for me but playing a game in order to win i don't thing is toxic is just the way it is, now people is saying "but why they waste peoples time" i mean you decide wasting your time playing videogames instead to do something else i don't see the point.
Will likely never happen. Slugging will always be in the game regardless, just like hook camping. It would make it then unfair for killers if everyone just auto unbreakable..
THE HATCH ON THE WRAITH GAME WAS DESERVED! IT WAS LIKE HELLO GET IN HERE
seriously. that match was sooo long.. i felt so bad for my teammates
Cucking a killer put of their 4k when they slug is so satisfying. I’ll sit here for 3 hours, I genuinely hav all day.
One time I had an unknown basically keep injuring the bot but keeping them alive to try and get the 4k. He got it 😢 but I made him wait an hour for it so I think that’s a win
So satisfying
What concerns me is that people actually play like this consistenly. I went against a doctor who did this. It was pain (saying this as a killer main who frowns upon this play style abundantly)
The only thing that I think is toxic is not respecting people's time. Like the wraith game, the survivors on the ground had no way to go next quickly and had to wait the full bleedout. And the jake who just needed to stay for the whole endgame collapse for no reason.
Yes! I also agree with waiting at the exit gates. It's very unnecessary to continue wasting the killer's time when the match is already over.
Yeah, but I've learned most survivors will just leave if you're just sit in the middle of the map not feeding into their b*******@@ProbablyMish
@@ProbablyMishif the killer is toxic and lets my teammates bleed out or beats me or teammates on hook they’re getting tbagged at the exit gates. It’s just gonna happen.
Thats my creed lol..
It’s their play style. It’s not their job to make the game enjoyable for your entitled ass lmaoo.
the only time i ever wait at the gates is when i’m playing the twins and am playing as victor. that way if i get someone i still have to take charolette all the map to the gate to actually do anything. victor just buys me a little more time to possibly get someone. there was one night i realized how toxic i was being as i was watching the last two survivors bleed out so i picked one up, let her struggle out, heal her friend, and lead them to the closest gen so they could finish it and leave. they both messaged me and thanked me because they had only been playing a week and that was the first time they had ever escaped. i dont give wins very often, but if i can feel i’m being toxic i will give the win away
Omg it was so satisfying to see you getting hatch after looping that Wraith for so long. Amazing looping skills.
I was so happy to see hatch honestly. Thank you so much that means a lot!
The AUDACITY of that wraith to say GGs
hateee when they toxic and say gg. like no it WASNT
For him it was. These people consider a good game making other people miserable.
even with a smiley ' :) ' THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOINGGGG
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@@simpleplanfan011 lit so many survivors do this
I love the little tips that you add they’re actually so helpful and a lot of things I didn’t know😭
So happy to hear you guys find them helpful! There is so much to learn with this game, and even for me it can be hard remembering every add on & perk!
I like the idea of Knockout in that it can cause panic and paranoia among less coordinated teams to see your teammate go down and have no idea where, especially when you're playing as a stealth killer, but yeah the reality is that 99% of the time it's used as a tool for perma slugging. I think it needs something like NOED where the aura of the slug gradually gets larger and larger over 20-30 sec
WAIT I actually love that idea! That would be a great way to keep the perk what it is, but also make it better for the other side. Great idea!
Lol great idea to counter for perma slugging
@@ProbablyMish knockout it self isnt a bad perk its needed on some survivors but not like you playing the game for fun and since your so nice
but knockout can be usefull for bully sqauds and full flasghlight teams even if its boring against that side it dosnet matter if surviors play boring ill play boring and mean
I’ve been playing the new game mode almost nonstop since it released and the killers have been sooooo much more toxic than I’ve ever experienced. Almost every single game has been something awful to go against. Hard and I mean HARD tunneling, slugging for 4K, hook camping, slugging in general. I don’t understand why people are taking the new game mode so seriously. I thought it would be more chill and fun and you get extra bloodpoints but I’m not sure if the extra blood points and the chance to try perks I don’t otherwise have is worth it
Its because the garbage and toxic killers can actually get kills when no one knows what their perks are they'll be back to getting 1ks tomorrow when the event ends. Tip for you play late at night
Oh no! So sorry to hear your games were so rough! I didn't really play much of the new game mode, I like to interact with my stream too much to pay too much attention to perks & I just like my build, but I heard a lot of people were loving it!
As a killer main whos been flashlight clicked and tbagged at gate one too many times, hell yeah! Survivors give no shits to a killers fun, so why should we? Tunnel, camp, slug! Do whatever it takes to win.
@@TheBeastInBlack Buddy you just sound like a sore loser
And then people say “oh well just bring unbreakable” you shouldn’t have to rely on that. This game is so toxic, I’ve been playing less and less
YES EXACTLY
Keep crying, slugging is the new meta especially after increasing the hook timer by 10 seconds
@@omarashraf8961crying about a WHOLE 10 seconds when it only affects camping is peak killer mindset
It’s not toxic, literally 90% of the stuff that’s considered toxic in this game really isn’t
In my opinion, it’s mostly situational BUT a couple things that annoy me
As killer: when the survivors wait in end gate until the collapse timer is about to run out and crouch spamming in the gate as well as trying to get repeated blinds with their flashies like JUST LEAVE. Also had a survivor who had boil over and intentionally ran to a corner so that I couldn’t hook them so yes I bled them out
As a survivor: when a killer slugs for no valid reason, when the killer tunnels also for no valid reason, and camping early on. Like in end game I don’t think it’s bad to face camp cuz what else can you do you know? I got tunneled out not even a full 2 minutes into a match before and I was kind of annoyed by it, very unfun match. Also if they h/ump you while they bleed you out… just unnecessary and gross behavior smh
To sum it up, it’s mostly situational, but overall if you’re purposely trying to slow down the match and make it the worst experience for either side, you’re toxic.
Side note: Love you and your videos so much Mish! Glad to be a part of your community ❤
I watch a friend play killer, and I can tell you that survivors waiting at the exit gates instead of just leaving or coming back once the gates are opened to taunt a killer who isn't moving and clearly wants to end the match) will usually cause them to stop caring about being "fair" soon enough. He watches hooks and doesn't tunnel, but after a few matches with teabagging, comments such as "Good job EZ", and "Baby killer", he'll say to hell with it and make play hell for survivors afterward. It's a shame, especially with the new chaos shuffle.
Yes! Once the game is over I think we should just have respect for everyone's time and leave so that we can get started in a new match! Also omg I hate the boil over & run to a corner strat... I don't blame anyone for bleeding out in those situations.
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭. Probably one of those “I play how I want, I don’t follow your little rule book” maniacs.
sadly that is allowed.
I got a nemesis match where he camped me on the first hook, then slugged the other 3 and started humping them while they bled.
Recorded it, sent a ticket for unsportsmanship and got politely told is a valid tactic and they invited me to educate myself into what´s considered reason to report. (i no longer bother reporting other than outright cheating)
I faced him on rpd a while ago it was not a fun experience😢
OMG personally I really hate having to wait out the slug timer. I wish there was a surrender option for the team for situations like that.
that is the snail wraith build, long time ago it was used to derank
@@DragoonKnight00no, it's not. It falls under refusing to participate in normal gameplay. Slugging everyone at five gen's and then waiting in a corner for them to bleed out is bannable
I had a death slinger tunnelling at 4 gens, slugging everyone and bm’ing me on hook all because he brought a midwich offering…HE brought a midwich offering and was upset….about getting midwich….??
how does that make sense?
That’s not adding up.
Wait did the slinger tell you they were mad they were on midwich?
@@simpleplanfan011 trust me i was so confused
OMG the other day I had a clown tunnel and bleed me out while humping and then in endgame chat he told me: "Map offering = tunnel xD" even though I didn't bring the offering and I was solo queue.. LMAO
That bubba just wanted to play peek-a-boo.
I love a Bubba
i really respect killers who don’t tunnel. when i play killer, i try to keep the game a little balanced bc i know what it feels like pipping down when you didn’t even get the chance to play:( like im not going to let them win bc thats no fun either, but its just a game and even a little kindness in a game like this can make people’s day. but i play mobile and im very appreciative of you! ive gotten a lot more patient since watching. i hope one day i can get the main game :D
I Know the tunnelling is a Bad Idea but without tunnelling i cant win i try so hard to not tunnelling survivors but most of Time i lose😢😢
Yes, I try to play killer the way I would have fun facing as survivor. And vice versa! I am so glad to hear you've improved & hope to see you on the main game some day! Thank you for watching my videos it means a lot!
@@Girpdbd A win is considered when a killer gets a 4k or all 4 survivors escape. When 3 survivors escape and 1 dies then it's a draw. Just like hatch is. You don't need to tunnel to win..
@@Girpdbd You just need a good perk build in that case, i have faced p100 players and still managed to win at least 80% of my matches and i don't have to tunnel or face camp or slug. The trick is to catch survivors off guard and think smarter, try and watch other main youtuber killers that play legit with pure skills and you'll get there believe me. Lady Mish for instance just gave us a good advice when you are in a good spot walk slowly because the game thinks you are not in chase anymore and breaks the killer's bloodlust, so keep that in mind for next time. So that's how you improve either way.
@@rosiethorn5812u win 80% of games by not tunnelling and camping I win 90% of games by tunnelling and camping
Mish literally has the sweetest voice when talking to her team Id trust her with my life 😭
WHY IS IT ALWAYS WRAITHS WHO RUN KNOCK OUT
I kid you not, I’ve been seeing this perk so much more for some reason. I faced slugging Twins back to back using it, and within a couple days a Chucky and Ghost Face who also did the same?? Like why is this remotely used at all, its just no fun for anybody.
@@hallowedchromee310 its fun for us to make you guys sweat. Just get better at looping and you wont have to suffer
@@sonicboy5 I mean I never complained about it, I just made an observation because all the killers I’ve seen doing this strat are typically really awful. Its like compensation to make up for how they can’t win normally, but can’t control what other players decide to do, so at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter what I think of it.
@@sonicboy5Only way your argument makes sense is if you expect no one to go down in a match, which is idiotic.
I genuinely think the only actual toxic thing in the game is bleeding out and major slugging like this killer.
Yes! Definitely agree!
@@ProbablyMish omg you replied!!!! Sorry for fangirling but I love you so much 🥹🥹🥹
@@Cadusssy so much love I appreciate you so much more than you know
@@ProbablyMish I’ve been trying to make it to a stream lately but I’ve been soooooo busy :((( but I have been lurking during class here and there on TH-cam!!
Wraith players are some of the most miserable people on the face of the plant I swear. Id rather have a nurse then a wraith, at least then the game will be over fast 😭
i just randomly came upon your channel and it was an immediate sub for me- youre truly the energy i wish i had during any match of dbd LOL i'm usually fuming
I once played a match against the Pig who had an add-on giving all survivors Active Reverse Bear Traps at the start. There was only one correct jigsaw box for everyone, but the Pig blocked it, so we just waited to die. It was the most toxic ass game I've ever experienced.
Yeah that's not true at all
@@DemCheeks666 it is true. it was a long time ago. I dunno what add-on that is or if the killer used a hack. But I'll never forget that match cause I was so pissed.
@@DemCheeks666This actually can happen before BHVR patched it a few updates ago, it was to prevent a pig from camping the correct box for the survivor to remove their trap when the trial starts.
Yeah that can't happen anymore, the game spawns in 5 boxes instead of 4 so she can't camp one, so I'm guessing this happened to you a while ago? also when the pig could do that a while ago, it was still entirely possible to get a 3 man out so I don't know why you all just waited to die
@@scurbbb yes it was a long time ago. I can't speak for the other survivors (maybe they just wanted to die?) I'm on solo que, but I tried all the boxes, the only one left was the one she was blocking. But it's good to know that can't happen anymore. I can't see why killers like that enjoy that tactic.
I think that slugging/tunneling/camping is purposely disrupting a normal match so it is toxic in terms of gameplay. There are perks to slow down matches (gen regression, healing slow downs, etc) so that kind of behavior is unnecessary and bad sportsmanship. But I do think that if endgame comes so quick and multiple survivors have extra hook states then camping/tunneling is fair game. Also the BM-ing on both sides (killers h/umping, b/eating survivors on hook) is toxic to me, and even if im playing survivor and see other survivors doing it (t-bagging, emoting during chases) its just corny to me.
I don't mind nods/nopers but once the h/umping starts I feel like it's too far. I try to be respectful on both sides.
@@ProbablyMish that’s fair! Those don’t really bother me but doing the actual emotes repeatedly feels like it’s too much
I emote a lot but it's simply so the killer thinks I'm vaulting or moving, not to bm. Is there a difference? How is someone supposed to tell? @@kiaraelana
@@The-Doctor6969 hm that’s a good point. I think when you go out of your way to be seen emoting at the killer that’s corny but if you’re doing it to mind game that’s different bc there’s a purpose. But there’s really no way to tell the difference from the killer side
When I started playing I thought spam crouching a few times at end gate was like saying goodbye to the killer 😅
Probably the most annoying thing that can happen is that the killer slugs to get the 4k when the third survivor is already on the floor and the fourth survivor is in the corner of the map
Although it is worse for me when they find the fourth survivor near the third down survivor and before hooking and immediately starting the chase with the fourth survivor, they prefer to leave the other one in the floor for 2mins. (I'm talking about 2v1 situations and when the killer stomps the match at 4-5 gens)
Yeah, definitely sucks for the slug to sit there for 2-4 minutes doing nothing!
@@ProbablyMishcould the survivor not also just give themselves up if they want the game to end? It goes both ways
I play survivor and killer equally but I play slightly more killer as I prefer it. I personally think that most of the stuff considered “toxic” in this game really isn’t and the word toxic has completely lost all meaning. Here is a list of stuff from both killer and survivor I do not think is toxic: Teabagging, flashlight clicking, nodding head, tunnelling, camping, slugging, hitting on hook, humping on ground, using perks, looping, throwing pallets, killing survivors, survivors escaping. Now some of those you might be confused on why it’s even there like escaping and killing and using perks, but a lot of people get really upset at basic things, even throwing pallets? Gets really weird. When survivors teabag, flashlight click etc. that is not toxic it’s completely unbannable and just basic taunting which they are allowed to do, for killers it’s the same, just taunting. When a survivor brings a crazy build “bully build” as some say, it’s just the survivor playing the game, when a killer brings a certain build usually with noed, it’s literally just playing the game. Remember guys perks are in the game to be used lol. When killers camp and tunnel they are just playing the game with different strategies. Not everyone plays the same. What I think is REALLY toxic and not just a word I throw around when mad, is going out of you’re way to trash talk the real life player, whether it’s in the in game chat or messaging a real life person over a video game? Now that’s toxic. Just go next. If anyone actually read this whole thing, thank you :)
I believe the toxicity lies behind the reason of the action, not the action itself. Slugging someone and watching them bleed out is toxic, slugging because there are 3 survivors around you is justifiable. Tunneling someone for a petty reason (playing a specific character, wearing a certain cosmetics, bringing a flashlight) is toxic, tunneling for pressure is not (but I still think it's a skill issue/unlucky. Just take the L and move on). The thing is being toxic as killer is thousands of times more impactful than survivor. Killer mains only will never get this.
This is actually a hot take imo, I play both survivor and killer and I started off maining survivor. I started off seeing a lot of things as being toxic that killers would do and after months of that I started watching killer videos and started playing the other half of the game. Honestly, it opened my eyes and I can see why killer mains claim toxic survivor behaviour and survivor mains claim toxic killer behaviour. The game is designed to put you against each other, the killer’s job to kill you and the survivors job to try to survive. I think people often forget that as a killer you aren’t entitled to every kill, and as a survivor you aren’t entitled to surviving every time. To put it even deeper into the lore, the entity thrives off of pain and suffering, so if anything survivors causing the killer as much frustration and frenzy in their mind gaming, and the killer being as brutal and torturous in their mind gaming feeds the entity to her fullest. But at the end of the day, say ggs and appreciate your opponent in those tough games. This game actually taught me a lot in gaming and i appreciate those really frustrating trials where I have to push myself to learn a new tactic
I´m sorry but tunneling for pressure is not an excuse, UNLESS you need the pressure and the match has already advanced, like after 3 gens done for example. When there are 4 gens done, I absolutely expect tunneling, but before the "needed" pressure, to tunnel it´s just being quite an asshole, some surveys don´t even make it two minutes after match has begun unless they´ve brought anti tunneling perks or they´re lucky enough to be playing with other skilled altruistic companions (which actually doesn´t happen as often as it would be convenient) and sometimes that´s not enough even.
@@spacewaifuu I slug, tunnel and proxy camp at 5 gens with NURSE and BLIGHT so keep crying abt it, we don't care abt ur rule book 🔔end
The way you edit your videos is so informative. I really appreciate the explanations involved with what you're doing. Helps me become a better survivor. Thanks!
I feel so bad for the pig oh my god 😭😭 chasing someone for 5 gens would hurt my SOUL.
i think toxicity comes from the reason behind the tactic.
Bleeding everyone out while humping them its toxic, slugging one survivor to catch the last one you just saw running away not so much.
Are you a swf whose whole fun comes from seeing how much you can tilt the killer?, that can be considered toxic, blinding the killer at paletes to gain distance?, that is anoyying but not really toxic.
There are a lot of things in dbd that can make the match unfun for both sides and toxicity comes when they are done with that specific purpose.
I wouldn’t really call the bubba toxic, yes he was camping and tunneling. But it was at 1 gen left and was probably his only shot at getting a kill
Yeah… also the “zoning” isn’t exactly toxic either imo. Getting caught in a bad position sucks, but positioning is also a big part of being a skilled survivor. Like we never see survivors leaving a good loop because it’s too strong? I wouldn’t expect a killer to let the survivor get to a strong area of the map either :/
I love how you explain the traits every video, helps a lot!
Thank you for this video!!! I think a toxic killer is one who doesn't have any intention of playing the game as it's supposed to be played but one who just abuses all of the game's overpowered perks and add on's. Killers who slug and don't pick up are really toxic.
Slugging for the 4K is toxic. I report for holding the game hostage. because that's what you're doing. You are dragging the game out and wasting everyone's time just because you are TERRIFIED of them POSSIBLY getting hatch... so lame. -Sincerely a killer main
Unless you’re talking about slugging 2-3 people for this reason, it’s not toxic at all and its just a strategy as both a survivor and killer main
however, i could say its toxic when you’re just going to leave them on the ground and not hooking them after you get the other (this is excused if you cant find the downed survivor though)
How exactly is the player that is trying to end the game as soon as possible holding it hostage?
Seems like survivors using flashlights would be the ones holding the game hostage.
This is a bad take so flash lights and flash bangs dnt slow the game down lol everybody got they own way of playing and since the devs make perks to do it so that means it is a win con
It depends on if you slug when you know where they are but slugging and letting one person bleed out just to find them is cringe
- When they slug early on (not considering when they are just downing people who are trying to get flashy saves/etc, i mean traveling the whole ass map just to slug ppl) or tunnel for no reason other than to do it ( like, hooks someone and WAITS for them to be picked just to tunnel)
- When it's endgame and survivors wait in exit gate tbbaging until time almost runs out / until killer reaches them. Or on hatch. Like, just leave, the faster you do the faster we all can go to another game.
I think in general, just wasting ppls time and going out of the way to make a game less fun it's toxic.
Yes! Just being respectful of each others time. I understand slugging is necessary in some situations, but when you come in with the intention of slugging it sucks because there's little interaction/to do for the survivors on the floor.
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭
I suppose the term “toxic”is subjective. Same thing as in the video happened to me but I wouldn’t call it toxic. Some players like to slug because that’s their play-style. It’s definitely not fun for sure from the survivors pov. Toxic gameplay to me is when a player comment on other players ability or start harassing them for no reason. I was told recently to quit playing dbd bc I suck at it, and simply to go sell my account so others can make use of it. I’d want BEHAVIOUR to address this matter of “what’s a toxic gameplay” in near future. It’s a very fascinating topic.
What you described sounds more like cyberbullying more than toxic gameplay. I think the two are a little different. (imo)
Oh for sure! Definitely crosses a line when people take it past the game and make comments like that. I have had all sorts of comments after the match & I know people are always asking for voice chat, but honestly feel like it would just make those situations worse.
Only thing I think is toxic about playing killer is when they smack on hook, t-bag with certain killers, or do the slug hump. Otherwise, everything else is fair game and merely a strategy within the game to acquire the win. Just like how it's nothing personal when survivors spam flashlights, flashbangs, gen-rush, spam head-on, heal in your face, bodyblock etc. However, t-bagging at the gates, t-bagging at pallets etc, Imo is pretty toxic behavior. Idk, just seems like any behavior that is meant to antagonize the other player with no win condition tied to it is unnecessary. Even the Wraith in the beginning... it's like... if he brought a slug build then why wouldn't he slug? Just like if a survivor team brought 4 brand new parts and gen-rush perks... why wouldn't they gen-rush? There's nothing toxic about wanting to win the game and utilize unique builds and game mechanics to do so. That's part of the fun of the game. However, it is toxic to purposely put your opponent / opponents down with the sole intention of making them feel inadequate.
Gameplay isn't toxic....slugging, flash light saves, etc
Actions are toxic....Tea bagging, hitting people on hook, etc.
You deserve a subscribe just for enduring that Wraith game. That was just an ugly thing to do.
Thank you so much welcome in
The ultimate mindgame on that bubba at shack is to stay out of his line of sight right from the beginning just long enough for him to suspect you've already somehow left shack while under his radar, or if that didn't work, have someone open gate to confirm his doubts even further, it may not do much since he might still eventually catch up if you haven't made it far to anywhere safe after leaving shack, but it might still work against killers who likes to zone others out this way (but if they're a good killer they can still pick up on your injured sound)
the scream during ghostface is so me youre just like me fr
I love seeing survivors work together to counter toxic killers lol.
My definition of toxic gameplay is anyone who is intentionally trying to make the game unfun for someone else. Camping/Tunneling/Slugging isnt necessarily toxic if the killer is doing it to win and not just to piss people off. While camping/tunneling/slugging might not be the most fun thing to deal with, if the killer isn't doing it purposefully to be an ass or hold people hostage , it then falls to the devs to make a healthier game state.
Toxic killers are a menace BUT the games where you outplay them always turn out to be the most intense
I find your experience of the Perks without knowing they got them really impressive!
And your Laugh is awesome
I love how you always teach us things Mish, please never stop 💕
So happy to have this opportunity to teach you guys!
As a survivor main I can never wrap my head around the fact that survivors want to rush thier objective but when it’s the killer rushing their objective it’s a problem smh such hypocrisy
I don't think slugging counts as "rushing" lol
@@killuwumi how else would a killer “rush” their objectives
finally someone said it
as someone who doesnt play dbd much, abusing in game mechanics, is not toxic , most people play the game to win not to appeal to the other side, i would say being toxic is bypassing end game chat
3:23 I appreciate when content creators teach viewers little tips & tricks about a game while playing lol
Those were some fancy jukes there at the end with Pig. Well played! 🤌
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Little tip. Most streamers smurf. I called one out the other day. She was spinning killers like mad I thought this is suss. Asked her to show her devotion level. Surprise surprise she said it's a new account lol my next word to her was.... Pathetic
@@MetalAddict6810 LMAO i do not smurf or have another account. I stream on this account everyday and never play off stream. I have a lot of my community added for open lobby days when I do them, and they can tell you they never see me online unless I'm live. Matchmaking is not an exact science because it prioritizes quick matches. This doesn't mean most streamers smurf.
@@ProbablyMishDid I say you smurf? I was talking in general. That pig was absolute dog 💩 that is a fact LMAO
@@MetalAddict6810 Well, that seems like a bit of an unfair assumption to make. The actions of some streamers shouldn’t be a reflection of what most streamers are like. That kind of cynicism is no good for anyone. :(
Toxicity in a game like DBD can be difficult not gonna lie. After that entire slug fiesta he wrote "gg :)" in the postgame chat. For all we know it's a person who's had a rough day, maybe even a rough week and for whatever reason find joy in securing a 4k early on by slugging and so a 3k game with a nea giving them their chase of a lifetime did make their day a lil' brighter. You feel me? I think it's very difficult due to the simple fact that often times, what one side finds enjoyable is NOT enjoyable for the other side and therefor killers and survivors can rarely if ever see eye to eye.
Either way, great video. Love the commentary and skills.
I know this comment is old but he most certainly wrote that with the sole intention of trying to instigate a rise out of the survivors. People who bring knock out & deerstalker are exactly the same breed of people who used to bring basement bubba. Like sure, you can be okay with it personally but it's a widely known-to-be maligned play style and the vast majority of people who did it were specifically trying to salt bait people.
The bubba was in love when he saw you so he didn't want to let you get away
me personally… i think that playing as The Trickster is the most toxic that a killer can get
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LMAO why do so many people hate Trickster? I had so many people arguing about trickster in a video I posted not too long ago!
Ironically, that is the most toxic sentiment I've heard so far. But it's your personal opinion so...
@@ProbablyMishEvery Trickster I faced so far was camping and tunnelling, including P100 Tricksters. I’m not the best survivor out there, I main killers, but it’s preposterous.
@olliem40 trickster has a strong chase power because he cant teleport or have any map control. he needs the ability to end chases quickly bcs there's no other choice. and btw the counter is prethrowing, esp at tall loops
I think the only toxic thing is ruining the game for no reason. As a new killer, some people LOVE to t-bag every chance they get, taunt at the exits the entire countdown, it's ridiculous! I understand slugging if there's no close hooks, grouped up survivors, etc. One time these two survivors crawled to a corner with no hooks so I had to let them bleed out. Another time all four were at shack so I slugged them all before hooking them, and had to let Sable bleed out since she went to the basement and was obvious about having Wicked. I think those are acceptable reasons to slug. But letting everyone bleed out just because is toxic. I went against a slugging-only Bubba with No-Mither and I got so much perk value, but I thought it was toxic since he could've ended the game at 5 gens but chose to drag it on forever. Face-camping and tunneling are genuine strategies in the late game and sometimes the only way the killer can make a comeback. I consider it rude, but not toxic, to do in the early game, especially since anti-camp exists. I sometimes like getting tunneled though since I need to practice looping 😂 but I try not to tunnel as killer unless I need to to win
Tunneling used to bother me as a new player, but doesn't really bother me now since I enjoy chases. However, I do feel bad when my teammates are getting tunneled and they are having a tough time. I do agree with situational slugging as well. I don't think slugging in itself is toxic. Thank you for leaving some feedback
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I remembered being left to bleed out by a wraith becaused there was no hooks nearby (all of my other teamates died on them) he closed the hatch before I bleed out which caused my adrenaline to active and allowed me to escape via exit game. One of my favorite moments playing this game.
Everyone can play the game however they want if the game allows you to use that style there is usually a counter like unbreakable and a few other perks. The problem i see is that so many more people complain about slugging which is very easily counterable but no one addressing survivors exploiting the eerie of crows map with boilover or springwood main with no basement this in my opinion is a much bigger issue
I just wish they added a button to make bleed out faster when slugged so then I'm not wasting 4 minutes of my day and can just move on tot he next game.
imo toxic in dbd or any game is when you stop playing to win and start playing to make the other people miserable. it sucks to say as a survivor main, but the majority of the time, when i see something i really consider toxic, it's coming from survivors. a lot of "toxic" things that killers do are just strats, like tunneling or facecamping. that's not to say that killers can't be toxic. i've seen people slug all four survivors and bleed them out instead of just hooking and ending the game, which i think is toxic bc they've won and are just being petty.
theres just no excuse to slugging unless MAYBE theres another surv around but only with the intention of hooking the person on the ground later on but bleeding everyone out is just weird and boring. another thing i find toxic are killers who still think they need to camp to win (that bubba watching the hook from afar?) embarassingggg.. literally anything a killer can do to make the game "easier" for themselves but boring for everyone else i consider toxic (slugging, tunneling)
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I had a Chucky do that once on Swamp Rose. It was pretty wild. He slugged everyone and humped every body until we all bled out.
Slugging is a strat you use to generate pressure, especially if you're falling behind or if you know you can snowball because a bunch of people are hovering around. But, to just let people bleed out like that makes me feel like these guys got clapped multiple games in a row and just decided to take it out on the next unfortunate lobby.
I personally dont think anything regarding actual gameplay is toxic. Granted, there are things I dislike, like being bleed out for 4 minutes, since I feel like my time is being wasted, but I dont see it as inherently toxic, since I could just bring perks to counteract it but I actively choose not to (Unbreakable, Soul Guard, etc, honestly this can be applied with literally anything in the game). Though if a player decides to use said strategies, I dont think they should complain about what other people do in a game since those strategies are often frowned upon by the general community (basically, dont deal it out if you cant handle the same type of stuff being done to you).
THIS BEING SAID... once you take things out of the game and start to harass people in the post-game chat or through other various means, that is when it becomes toxic, since you are taking things that happened in a game and dragging it into the real world which is a massive "no-go" for me.
I feel like something being toxic is very situational and we apply the term when we don't even know what they were doing. A killer shaking their head no at you after downing you may feel toxic to you, but to them they were just goofing around with you. A survivor waving their hand at you while in chase feels toxic to you, but they were having fun and chase and just wanted to get your attention. I feel like the for sure toxic things I consider are needlessly bleeding out survivors, repeatedly faking unhooking a teammate so they can't get off hook, things like that. Everything else just feels more like they are labeled toxic because they're made that they lost to it.
Mish sounds like Dory when she screams 😊
So what about toxic survivors? We can’t really have complaints about toxic killers and not survivors
I’m a killer main and I don’t really endorse camping or slugging in most situations.
BUT… I will say the fact that killers don’t have a survivor rulebook all is fair in war ,when y’all have games constantly pallet stunning ,head on/flashlight, saving I don’t hear no Survivor main complaining …. Just assume it’s payback.🤷🏽♂️
'why you breathing like that" sent me to the grave hahaha
In both sides it's clearly understandable when someone want to play the game himself and who's gonna "play" just for the sad sadistic pleasure to giving people an awful time... From the killer sides who slugs from the beginning of the match and left them intentionally suffering on the floor, wasting time intentionally for annoying and get mad the survivors... From the survivor sides we have a team full torches and all the perks for stunning the killer, just for made him feel pain to be unable to doing anything... Who play like this only for find pleasure in the suffering or bad time from the other people, honestly, they have a serious problem...
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In my eyes, toxic ways of playing the game is performing any kind of behaviour that halts the game not just for you but especially for the other players. Killers seem to do this a lot more than survivors (at least from the games I usually play), and I think it's because of Behaviour. Despite the fact that you get points for doing multiple things, people only feel rewarded if they survive or if they get all four kills (no matter how either of those comes about).
I don't remember which one, but @PirateSoftware talked a little bit about this in one of his videos on a different game.
Mish the breathing at end game on the ghostface clip lmaooo
I play both, toxic for killer is slugging. For survivor, would be using window techs since it's a form of a glitch to get an advantage.
Your very good and I faced a knight that did the same thing slug with knockout you did a good job looping the killer to be honest earned a new subscriber.
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Do you even get a decent amount of points playing killer like this? Anyone?
I love doing what the wraith does except on nurse and no add ons. Just try to kill everyone without a single hook!
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Wait until the toolbox buff sabo squads are going to be toxic. So slugging will be justified, but survivor mains will moan about anything the killer does.
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Me personally if it’s a strategy used to WIN the game it can’t be considered toxic imo…tunneling, slugging, camping, flashlights saves, sabotaging yes they are all annoying and can be hard to deal with….. toxic consist of things being done that doesn’t help you win the game in any shape or form which consist of tea bagging, hitting on hook, humping, nodding, holding survivors hostage for a 4k, holding killers hostage, and obviously bully squads
Slugging and camping are the only toxic plays killers can do in my humble opinion. Although survivors can be annoying, killer is the only role that can effectively deny a player the opportunity to play the game.
The most toxic things i think survivors can do is 99 a gen with blastmine and finish it in the killers face when the killer is stunned, can also be done by blocking the entrance to the last gen, force the hit, tapp the gen, and disappear with adrenaline.
Other things can be annoying from both sides but not as far as i would call it toxic.
Why do people keep talking about skill issues, what ever happened to playing a game because you like it and it's fun. It's not always about skill or being the best, it's a game, have some fun. I admit I'm not the best, but I like the fun of the game. Tunneling and camping, and slugging in toxic manners is not fun and it's not a skill issue.
I really think bhvr should rework or delete the perk Knockout
I literally had a Huntress the other day that refused to kill me and Ada. Our team basically got run over by her and 2 were dead at 5 gens left, so we just gave up and waited at a hook. Huntress turned around to face a corner and went afk for like 5 minutes. Then, she kept hitting at a gen. We kept trying to tell her to just kill us please, but she went afk again. So I started working on the gens while Ada also went afk. I did the 5 gens while the Huntress carried Ada after me and just watched me. Then, once I was finally done, she hooked Ada and let me escape. Was the absolute shittiest game I've ever had, I was bored out of my mind and annoyed as hell.
To be fair as a killer and survivor main slugging isn’t toxic nor is camping there literally tons of survivors perks and things you can do to stop that it all game strategy at the end of the day and it literally just a game as well so doesn’t really matter at that point killers can say being in a full swf is toxic as well haha 🤣
16:30 she is waiting for last gen to pop, to open the gate I guess
Personally I don’t consider using the perks or the way the killers are playable in the game as a form of toxicity but I do
feel like the developers need to do something about it cause it does encourage misery to people sometimes😭
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i literally yelled out NANCY watching her be in the way for a second. (im at work)
i cannot believe you all survived against that bubba
Slugging is fine. Even 4k slugging.
Knockout isn't even any good and is hard counters by any coms or people paying attention.
Should the devs just make you bleed out faster so that people aren't "held hostage" while the killer tries to end the game as fast as they can?
I had a TTV bleed us out at 5 gens. Went into the chat to ask why he did that. Reason was because one survivor disconnected. ??? Me and my friend were a duo, how are we supposed to control what others do? Gameplay like that is just annoying
I had a ttv do this so I dc'd, I then went in his chat & he was sat there saying there definitely a swf. Lmao lil bro I'm solo que. Idc naming him either his name was something like WdragonL
omg that bubba is a baby. such a precious baby bubba omg 🤣 they are so cute trying to mindgame that shack door lmaoo im dead. they thought the whole lobby was a baby survivor lobby. im deceased🤭😭
As a killer main, I’ll never understand how these killers have fun. Chases are the best part of the game! Outwitting, outplaying, and outsmarting your opponent is the best feeling ever. Sure, there are frustrating things in the game that survivors use but that’s just how it is. Meta is meta for a reason. Either git good or play a different game. SMH.
I know that wraith, I faced him once with randoms, basically did the same thing the whole match just abusing knockout, but we actually got 2 escapes in the end, I hate that type of play style
first i will define toxic as something that makes the game less enjoyable or ruins the game for other players. i think that it is toxic could also be categorized as being when players aren’t respectful of other people’s time/feelings. my thoughts are always play in the manner you would want to face. to me it is super toxic to slug if there are no other survivors around, there’s no point to bleeding someone out. it’s toxic to tbag and wait at the gate when the killer didn’t get you. same as when the killer humps you on the ground or hits you on hook or zones you. tunnling to me is toxic because it ruins the match for everyone involved, it is so hard to come back from. dcing when you first go down is toxic because you’re hurting the game for other players. i think the bottom line is if you are doing something that actively makes the game unenjoyable for someone else on purpose that is toxic. holding people hostage when you lost is so silly and mean. literally leaving chase when the unhook notification goes off to go tunnel is insane. i think it’s toxic if there is no counter or the counter is very difficult to pull off because that just makes for un-fun gameplay.
For me toxic is just the endgame chat i've seen people lately saying i hope you get C word or end with your live etc that's toxic for me but playing a game in order to win i don't thing is toxic is just the way it is, now people is saying "but why they waste peoples time" i mean you decide wasting your time playing videogames instead to do something else i don't see the point.
Hence why I run, unbreakable, tenacity, soul guard, and adrenaline, anti-slug build.
Hopefully the devs implement a basekit Unbreakable that gets unlocked if you are on the ground for more than 2 minutes.
Will likely never happen. Slugging will always be in the game regardless, just like hook camping. It would make it then unfair for killers if everyone just auto unbreakable..
Yo why did you talking that hooked surv through it make me feel something 😳 lol