The only thing that I think is toxic is not respecting people's time. Like the wraith game, the survivors on the ground had no way to go next quickly and had to wait the full bleedout. And the jake who just needed to stay for the whole endgame collapse for no reason.
@@ProbablyMishif the killer is toxic and lets my teammates bleed out or beats me or teammates on hook they’re getting tbagged at the exit gates. It’s just gonna happen. Thats my creed lol..
I like the idea of Knockout in that it can cause panic and paranoia among less coordinated teams to see your teammate go down and have no idea where, especially when you're playing as a stealth killer, but yeah the reality is that 99% of the time it's used as a tool for perma slugging. I think it needs something like NOED where the aura of the slug gradually gets larger and larger over 20-30 sec
I’ve been playing the new game mode almost nonstop since it released and the killers have been sooooo much more toxic than I’ve ever experienced. Almost every single game has been something awful to go against. Hard and I mean HARD tunneling, slugging for 4K, hook camping, slugging in general. I don’t understand why people are taking the new game mode so seriously. I thought it would be more chill and fun and you get extra bloodpoints but I’m not sure if the extra blood points and the chance to try perks I don’t otherwise have is worth it
Its because the garbage and toxic killers can actually get kills when no one knows what their perks are they'll be back to getting 1ks tomorrow when the event ends. Tip for you play late at night
Oh no! So sorry to hear your games were so rough! I didn't really play much of the new game mode, I like to interact with my stream too much to pay too much attention to perks & I just like my build, but I heard a lot of people were loving it!
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭. Probably one of those “I play how I want, I don’t follow your little rule book” maniacs.
sadly that is allowed. I got a nemesis match where he camped me on the first hook, then slugged the other 3 and started humping them while they bled. Recorded it, sent a ticket for unsportsmanship and got politely told is a valid tactic and they invited me to educate myself into what´s considered reason to report. (i no longer bother reporting other than outright cheating)
@@DragoonKnight00no, it's not. It falls under refusing to participate in normal gameplay. Slugging everyone at five gen's and then waiting in a corner for them to bleed out is bannable
In my opinion, it’s mostly situational BUT a couple things that annoy me As killer: when the survivors wait in end gate until the collapse timer is about to run out and crouch spamming in the gate as well as trying to get repeated blinds with their flashies like JUST LEAVE. Also had a survivor who had boil over and intentionally ran to a corner so that I couldn’t hook them so yes I bled them out As a survivor: when a killer slugs for no valid reason, when the killer tunnels also for no valid reason, and camping early on. Like in end game I don’t think it’s bad to face camp cuz what else can you do you know? I got tunneled out not even a full 2 minutes into a match before and I was kind of annoyed by it, very unfun match. Also if they h/ump you while they bleed you out… just unnecessary and gross behavior smh To sum it up, it’s mostly situational, but overall if you’re purposely trying to slow down the match and make it the worst experience for either side, you’re toxic. Side note: Love you and your videos so much Mish! Glad to be a part of your community ❤
I watch a friend play killer, and I can tell you that survivors waiting at the exit gates instead of just leaving or coming back once the gates are opened to taunt a killer who isn't moving and clearly wants to end the match) will usually cause them to stop caring about being "fair" soon enough. He watches hooks and doesn't tunnel, but after a few matches with teabagging, comments such as "Good job EZ", and "Baby killer", he'll say to hell with it and make play hell for survivors afterward. It's a shame, especially with the new chaos shuffle.
Yes! Once the game is over I think we should just have respect for everyone's time and leave so that we can get started in a new match! Also omg I hate the boil over & run to a corner strat... I don't blame anyone for bleeding out in those situations.
i really respect killers who don’t tunnel. when i play killer, i try to keep the game a little balanced bc i know what it feels like pipping down when you didn’t even get the chance to play:( like im not going to let them win bc thats no fun either, but its just a game and even a little kindness in a game like this can make people’s day. but i play mobile and im very appreciative of you! ive gotten a lot more patient since watching. i hope one day i can get the main game :D
Yes, I try to play killer the way I would have fun facing as survivor. And vice versa! I am so glad to hear you've improved & hope to see you on the main game some day! Thank you for watching my videos it means a lot!
@@Girpdbd A win is considered when a killer gets a 4k or all 4 survivors escape. When 3 survivors escape and 1 dies then it's a draw. Just like hatch is. You don't need to tunnel to win..
@@Girpdbd You just need a good perk build in that case, i have faced p100 players and still managed to win at least 80% of my matches and i don't have to tunnel or face camp or slug. The trick is to catch survivors off guard and think smarter, try and watch other main youtuber killers that play legit with pure skills and you'll get there believe me. Lady Mish for instance just gave us a good advice when you are in a good spot walk slowly because the game thinks you are not in chase anymore and breaks the killer's bloodlust, so keep that in mind for next time. So that's how you improve either way.
i just randomly came upon your channel and it was an immediate sub for me- youre truly the energy i wish i had during any match of dbd LOL i'm usually fuming
I had a death slinger tunnelling at 4 gens, slugging everyone and bm’ing me on hook all because he brought a midwich offering…HE brought a midwich offering and was upset….about getting midwich….??
OMG the other day I had a clown tunnel and bleed me out while humping and then in endgame chat he told me: "Map offering = tunnel xD" even though I didn't bring the offering and I was solo queue.. LMAO
I kid you not, I’ve been seeing this perk so much more for some reason. I faced slugging Twins back to back using it, and within a couple days a Chucky and Ghost Face who also did the same?? Like why is this remotely used at all, its just no fun for anybody.
I believe the toxicity lies behind the reason of the action, not the action itself. Slugging someone and watching them bleed out is toxic, slugging because there are 3 survivors around you is justifiable. Tunneling someone for a petty reason (playing a specific character, wearing a certain cosmetics, bringing a flashlight) is toxic, tunneling for pressure is not (but I still think it's a skill issue/unlucky. Just take the L and move on). The thing is being toxic as killer is thousands of times more impactful than survivor. Killer mains only will never get this.
This is actually a hot take imo, I play both survivor and killer and I started off maining survivor. I started off seeing a lot of things as being toxic that killers would do and after months of that I started watching killer videos and started playing the other half of the game. Honestly, it opened my eyes and I can see why killer mains claim toxic survivor behaviour and survivor mains claim toxic killer behaviour. The game is designed to put you against each other, the killer’s job to kill you and the survivors job to try to survive. I think people often forget that as a killer you aren’t entitled to every kill, and as a survivor you aren’t entitled to surviving every time. To put it even deeper into the lore, the entity thrives off of pain and suffering, so if anything survivors causing the killer as much frustration and frenzy in their mind gaming, and the killer being as brutal and torturous in their mind gaming feeds the entity to her fullest. But at the end of the day, say ggs and appreciate your opponent in those tough games. This game actually taught me a lot in gaming and i appreciate those really frustrating trials where I have to push myself to learn a new tactic
Probably the most annoying thing that can happen is that the killer slugs to get the 4k when the third survivor is already on the floor and the fourth survivor is in the corner of the map Although it is worse for me when they find the fourth survivor near the third down survivor and before hooking and immediately starting the chase with the fourth survivor, they prefer to leave the other one in the floor for 2mins. (I'm talking about 2v1 situations and when the killer stomps the match at 4-5 gens)
I think that slugging/tunneling/camping is purposely disrupting a normal match so it is toxic in terms of gameplay. There are perks to slow down matches (gen regression, healing slow downs, etc) so that kind of behavior is unnecessary and bad sportsmanship. But I do think that if endgame comes so quick and multiple survivors have extra hook states then camping/tunneling is fair game. Also the BM-ing on both sides (killers h/umping, b/eating survivors on hook) is toxic to me, and even if im playing survivor and see other survivors doing it (t-bagging, emoting during chases) its just corny to me.
I emote a lot but it's simply so the killer thinks I'm vaulting or moving, not to bm. Is there a difference? How is someone supposed to tell? @@kiaraelana
@@The-Doctor6969 hm that’s a good point. I think when you go out of your way to be seen emoting at the killer that’s corny but if you’re doing it to mind game that’s different bc there’s a purpose. But there’s really no way to tell the difference from the killer side
@@ProbablyMish I’ve been trying to make it to a stream lately but I’ve been soooooo busy :((( but I have been lurking during class here and there on TH-cam!!
i think toxicity comes from the reason behind the tactic. Bleeding everyone out while humping them its toxic, slugging one survivor to catch the last one you just saw running away not so much. Are you a swf whose whole fun comes from seeing how much you can tilt the killer?, that can be considered toxic, blinding the killer at paletes to gain distance?, that is anoyying but not really toxic. There are a lot of things in dbd that can make the match unfun for both sides and toxicity comes when they are done with that specific purpose.
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I once played a match against the Pig who had an add-on giving all survivors Active Reverse Bear Traps at the start. There was only one correct jigsaw box for everyone, but the Pig blocked it, so we just waited to die. It was the most toxic ass game I've ever experienced.
@@DemCheeks666 it is true. it was a long time ago. I dunno what add-on that is or if the killer used a hack. But I'll never forget that match cause I was so pissed.
@@DemCheeks666This actually can happen before BHVR patched it a few updates ago, it was to prevent a pig from camping the correct box for the survivor to remove their trap when the trial starts.
Yeah that can't happen anymore, the game spawns in 5 boxes instead of 4 so she can't camp one, so I'm guessing this happened to you a while ago? also when the pig could do that a while ago, it was still entirely possible to get a 3 man out so I don't know why you all just waited to die
@@scurbbb yes it was a long time ago. I can't speak for the other survivors (maybe they just wanted to die?) I'm on solo que, but I tried all the boxes, the only one left was the one she was blocking. But it's good to know that can't happen anymore. I can't see why killers like that enjoy that tactic.
I suppose the term “toxic”is subjective. Same thing as in the video happened to me but I wouldn’t call it toxic. Some players like to slug because that’s their play-style. It’s definitely not fun for sure from the survivors pov. Toxic gameplay to me is when a player comment on other players ability or start harassing them for no reason. I was told recently to quit playing dbd bc I suck at it, and simply to go sell my account so others can make use of it. I’d want BEHAVIOUR to address this matter of “what’s a toxic gameplay” in near future. It’s a very fascinating topic.
Oh for sure! Definitely crosses a line when people take it past the game and make comments like that. I have had all sorts of comments after the match & I know people are always asking for voice chat, but honestly feel like it would just make those situations worse.
@@ProbablyMishEvery Trickster I faced so far was camping and tunnelling, including P100 Tricksters. I’m not the best survivor out there, I main killers, but it’s preposterous.
@@ProbablyMishbecause if they have certain add ons it’s almost impossible to counter play. It’s so boring and feels pointless even trying as you’re playing a losing game.
Yeah… also the “zoning” isn’t exactly toxic either imo. Getting caught in a bad position sucks, but positioning is also a big part of being a skilled survivor. Like we never see survivors leaving a good loop because it’s too strong? I wouldn’t expect a killer to let the survivor get to a strong area of the map either :/
Thank you for this video!!! I think a toxic killer is one who doesn't have any intention of playing the game as it's supposed to be played but one who just abuses all of the game's overpowered perks and add on's. Killers who slug and don't pick up are really toxic.
- When they slug early on (not considering when they are just downing people who are trying to get flashy saves/etc, i mean traveling the whole ass map just to slug ppl) or tunnel for no reason other than to do it ( like, hooks someone and WAITS for them to be picked just to tunnel) - When it's endgame and survivors wait in exit gate tbbaging until time almost runs out / until killer reaches them. Or on hatch. Like, just leave, the faster you do the faster we all can go to another game. I think in general, just wasting ppls time and going out of the way to make a game less fun it's toxic.
Yes! Just being respectful of each others time. I understand slugging is necessary in some situations, but when you come in with the intention of slugging it sucks because there's little interaction/to do for the survivors on the floor.
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭
Little tip. Most streamers smurf. I called one out the other day. She was spinning killers like mad I thought this is suss. Asked her to show her devotion level. Surprise surprise she said it's a new account lol my next word to her was.... Pathetic
@@MetalAddict6810 LMAO i do not smurf or have another account. I stream on this account everyday and never play off stream. I have a lot of my community added for open lobby days when I do them, and they can tell you they never see me online unless I'm live. Matchmaking is not an exact science because it prioritizes quick matches. This doesn't mean most streamers smurf.
@@MetalAddict6810 Well, that seems like a bit of an unfair assumption to make. The actions of some streamers shouldn’t be a reflection of what most streamers are like. That kind of cynicism is no good for anyone. :(
Wraith players are some of the most miserable people on the face of the plant I swear. Id rather have a nurse then a wraith, at least then the game will be over fast 😭
As a survivor main I can never wrap my head around the fact that survivors want to rush thier objective but when it’s the killer rushing their objective it’s a problem smh such hypocrisy
Your very good and I faced a knight that did the same thing slug with knockout you did a good job looping the killer to be honest earned a new subscriber.
Only thing I think is toxic about playing killer is when they smack on hook, t-bag with certain killers, or do the slug hump. Otherwise, everything else is fair game and merely a strategy within the game to acquire the win. Just like how it's nothing personal when survivors spam flashlights, flashbangs, gen-rush, spam head-on, heal in your face, bodyblock etc. However, t-bagging at the gates, t-bagging at pallets etc, Imo is pretty toxic behavior. Idk, just seems like any behavior that is meant to antagonize the other player with no win condition tied to it is unnecessary. Even the Wraith in the beginning... it's like... if he brought a slug build then why wouldn't he slug? Just like if a survivor team brought 4 brand new parts and gen-rush perks... why wouldn't they gen-rush? There's nothing toxic about wanting to win the game and utilize unique builds and game mechanics to do so. That's part of the fun of the game. However, it is toxic to purposely put your opponent / opponents down with the sole intention of making them feel inadequate.
I think the only toxic thing is ruining the game for no reason. As a new killer, some people LOVE to t-bag every chance they get, taunt at the exits the entire countdown, it's ridiculous! I understand slugging if there's no close hooks, grouped up survivors, etc. One time these two survivors crawled to a corner with no hooks so I had to let them bleed out. Another time all four were at shack so I slugged them all before hooking them, and had to let Sable bleed out since she went to the basement and was obvious about having Wicked. I think those are acceptable reasons to slug. But letting everyone bleed out just because is toxic. I went against a slugging-only Bubba with No-Mither and I got so much perk value, but I thought it was toxic since he could've ended the game at 5 gens but chose to drag it on forever. Face-camping and tunneling are genuine strategies in the late game and sometimes the only way the killer can make a comeback. I consider it rude, but not toxic, to do in the early game, especially since anti-camp exists. I sometimes like getting tunneled though since I need to practice looping 😂 but I try not to tunnel as killer unless I need to to win
Tunneling used to bother me as a new player, but doesn't really bother me now since I enjoy chases. However, I do feel bad when my teammates are getting tunneled and they are having a tough time. I do agree with situational slugging as well. I don't think slugging in itself is toxic. Thank you for leaving some feedback
I literally had a Huntress the other day that refused to kill me and Ada. Our team basically got run over by her and 2 were dead at 5 gens left, so we just gave up and waited at a hook. Huntress turned around to face a corner and went afk for like 5 minutes. Then, she kept hitting at a gen. We kept trying to tell her to just kill us please, but she went afk again. So I started working on the gens while Ada also went afk. I did the 5 gens while the Huntress carried Ada after me and just watched me. Then, once I was finally done, she hooked Ada and let me escape. Was the absolute shittiest game I've ever had, I was bored out of my mind and annoyed as hell.
I personally dont think anything regarding actual gameplay is toxic. Granted, there are things I dislike, like being bleed out for 4 minutes, since I feel like my time is being wasted, but I dont see it as inherently toxic, since I could just bring perks to counteract it but I actively choose not to (Unbreakable, Soul Guard, etc, honestly this can be applied with literally anything in the game). Though if a player decides to use said strategies, I dont think they should complain about what other people do in a game since those strategies are often frowned upon by the general community (basically, dont deal it out if you cant handle the same type of stuff being done to you). THIS BEING SAID... once you take things out of the game and start to harass people in the post-game chat or through other various means, that is when it becomes toxic, since you are taking things that happened in a game and dragging it into the real world which is a massive "no-go" for me.
Toxicity in a game like DBD can be difficult not gonna lie. After that entire slug fiesta he wrote "gg :)" in the postgame chat. For all we know it's a person who's had a rough day, maybe even a rough week and for whatever reason find joy in securing a 4k early on by slugging and so a 3k game with a nea giving them their chase of a lifetime did make their day a lil' brighter. You feel me? I think it's very difficult due to the simple fact that often times, what one side finds enjoyable is NOT enjoyable for the other side and therefor killers and survivors can rarely if ever see eye to eye. Either way, great video. Love the commentary and skills.
I know this comment is old but he most certainly wrote that with the sole intention of trying to instigate a rise out of the survivors. People who bring knock out & deerstalker are exactly the same breed of people who used to bring basement bubba. Like sure, you can be okay with it personally but it's a widely known-to-be maligned play style and the vast majority of people who did it were specifically trying to salt bait people.
I agree but also, theres a difference between slugging at 4 genz and playing like you own the place. I was killer once and I downed a survivor at 4 genz. A survivor was nearby for a flashlight save, so I downed them as well. I went to pick up the first survivor and when I hooked them, saw the other two healthy survivors in my vicinity running around to heal the survivor that was downed. Am I just supposed to let that happen? Like huh? I feel like there is too many complaints from both sides. Survivors complain too much and so do killers. The role of a killer is to kill. The role of a survivor is to survive. By any means necessary it is ok. I dont find perks like noed or head on toxic. Its part of the game and as a survivor or killer, you need to learn how to counter it instead of crying that your skill level cant match the opposing perks. This is a general statement to the community, not directed to you Mish, love your content keep going! ❤❤
Specifically for that first game how the wraith was "slugging", knockout was completely counterable if the survivors didnt get downed in the first place. Thats how you counter slugging, dont get downed. And its a skill gap in that sense. 4 survivors who can play like mish would easily beat this wraith.
In my eyes, toxic ways of playing the game is performing any kind of behaviour that halts the game not just for you but especially for the other players. Killers seem to do this a lot more than survivors (at least from the games I usually play), and I think it's because of Behaviour. Despite the fact that you get points for doing multiple things, people only feel rewarded if they survive or if they get all four kills (no matter how either of those comes about). I don't remember which one, but @PirateSoftware talked a little bit about this in one of his videos on a different game.
My definition of toxic gameplay is anyone who is intentionally trying to make the game unfun for someone else. Camping/Tunneling/Slugging isnt necessarily toxic if the killer is doing it to win and not just to piss people off. While camping/tunneling/slugging might not be the most fun thing to deal with, if the killer isn't doing it purposefully to be an ass or hold people hostage , it then falls to the devs to make a healthier game state.
Playing killer in general is toxic 😅 this games community has a weird obsession with thinking that the enemy player owes them a “fun and fair” game, and its honestly jaw-dropping some of the things they say!
I had a Chucky do that once on Swamp Rose. It was pretty wild. He slugged everyone and humped every body until we all bled out. Slugging is a strat you use to generate pressure, especially if you're falling behind or if you know you can snowball because a bunch of people are hovering around. But, to just let people bleed out like that makes me feel like these guys got clapped multiple games in a row and just decided to take it out on the next unfortunate lobby.
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To be fair as a killer and survivor main slugging isn’t toxic nor is camping there literally tons of survivors perks and things you can do to stop that it all game strategy at the end of the day and it literally just a game as well so doesn’t really matter at that point killers can say being in a full swf is toxic as well haha 🤣
Everyone can play the game however they want if the game allows you to use that style there is usually a counter like unbreakable and a few other perks. The problem i see is that so many more people complain about slugging which is very easily counterable but no one addressing survivors exploiting the eerie of crows map with boilover or springwood main with no basement this in my opinion is a much bigger issue
I just wish they added a button to make bleed out faster when slugged so then I'm not wasting 4 minutes of my day and can just move on tot he next game.
Toxic to me is anything that negates proper sportsmanship, everyone’s allowed to play how they want tho which is fine. But some people’s chosen method is just plainly and simply toxic
For me toxic is just the endgame chat i've seen people lately saying i hope you get C word or end with your live etc that's toxic for me but playing a game in order to win i don't thing is toxic is just the way it is, now people is saying "but why they waste peoples time" i mean you decide wasting your time playing videogames instead to do something else i don't see the point.
I had a TTV bleed us out at 5 gens. Went into the chat to ask why he did that. Reason was because one survivor disconnected. ??? Me and my friend were a duo, how are we supposed to control what others do? Gameplay like that is just annoying
I had a ttv do this so I dc'd, I then went in his chat & he was sat there saying there definitely a swf. Lmao lil bro I'm solo que. Idc naming him either his name was something like WdragonL
I’m a killer main and I don’t really endorse camping or slugging in most situations. BUT… I will say the fact that killers don’t have a survivor rulebook all is fair in war ,when y’all have games constantly pallet stunning ,head on/flashlight, saving I don’t hear no Survivor main complaining …. Just assume it’s payback.🤷🏽♂️
Slugging and camping are the only toxic plays killers can do in my humble opinion. Although survivors can be annoying, killer is the only role that can effectively deny a player the opportunity to play the game. The most toxic things i think survivors can do is 99 a gen with blastmine and finish it in the killers face when the killer is stunned, can also be done by blocking the entrance to the last gen, force the hit, tapp the gen, and disappear with adrenaline. Other things can be annoying from both sides but not as far as i would call it toxic.
Im not really against anyone. I create my own fun and just focus on my personal growth and if i can loop a killer for 5 gens i take that as a step up. i think everyone has their own fair opinion. I think if the community as a whole stopped judging and berating others than we could all “learn” how to play without using unfavourable strats. Why would a killer care about playing fair if they just get attacked anyways for perks and add ons and such? And same goes with survivors. I know theres toxicity on both sides. Thats just my opinion and i know the post game toxicity will never go away im just saying killers who have been toxic in one game can be the nicest killer in the next. Whether people agree or not just think about it next time you go to send someone a DM. So much easier to make friends than keeping up with an enemy ❤ if a killer feels support they may want to grow themselves and maybe theyll think about changing their playstyle. I love this game too much to see it shatter because everyone is against eachother. Finally beautiful looping and teammwork ❤ sorry for the long read
So because they get told things because of the perks they run it's all good and dandy to be toxic? No. I personally play both and find people who find a way to make the game unfun to be horrible. Slugging survivors or sandbagging teammates as a survivor people who do that are scum idc if they are nice to the people next game. That's like someone bullying you and your group of friends as a new kid at school and then the next group of new kids the bully is nice to them. I'm sending that report and I'm telling that slugger or sandbagger stuff and will call them out video evidence and all. That's my opinion. Treat others how you wanna be treated, I expect if I'm being a loser on a game to be called out on it.
@@Aura-Ora bro i didnt say its fine and dandy 😂 calm down. I dont think its fair to get personally attacked out of game because of what happened in game my dear. NOBODY deserves it. If your that tilted over how someone plays a game theres a block button you can press and then the problem is dealt with. I also said everyone has their own opinion. My deepest apologies if you cant handle others opinions
This part is a copy paste from my other comment-> (I play both survivor and killer and I started off maining survivor. I started off seeing a lot of things as being toxic that killers would do and after months of that I started watching killer videos and started playing the other half of the game. Honestly, it opened my eyes and I can see why killer mains claim toxic survivor behaviour and survivor mains claim toxic killer behaviour. The game is designed to put you against each other, the killer’s job to kill you and the survivors job to try to survive. I think people often forget that as a killer you aren’t entitled to every kill, and as a survivor you aren’t entitled to surviving every time. To put it even deeper into the lore, the entity thrives off of pain and suffering, so if anything survivors causing the killer as much frustration and frenzy in their mind gaming, and the killer being as brutal and torturous in their mind gaming feeds the entity to her fullest. But at the end of the day, say ggs and appreciate your opponent in those tough games. This game actually taught me a lot in gaming and i appreciate those really frustrating trials where I have to push myself to learn a new tactic) I really hope the dbd community can see that we all have a shared love for this game in one way or another and it can only get better if we help create that. Without a healthy community the game can’t keep thriving. I love this game but the community makes me feel disconnected often because it’s always one side or the other, not as a whole
@@tamsuzuki4973 i love this 🫶🏻 ive met some very lovely people on both sides of the game and ive actually learned alot from the difficult trials i have. I can see my looping and tile usage lasts longer and its a fun and uplifting feeling to watch yourself still grow in a game 4 years later ❤️ best of luck to you in the fog 💕
imo toxic in dbd or any game is when you stop playing to win and start playing to make the other people miserable. it sucks to say as a survivor main, but the majority of the time, when i see something i really consider toxic, it's coming from survivors. a lot of "toxic" things that killers do are just strats, like tunneling or facecamping. that's not to say that killers can't be toxic. i've seen people slug all four survivors and bleed them out instead of just hooking and ending the game, which i think is toxic bc they've won and are just being petty.
omg that bubba is a baby. such a precious baby bubba omg 🤣 they are so cute trying to mindgame that shack door lmaoo im dead. they thought the whole lobby was a baby survivor lobby. im deceased🤭😭
well to be fair it’s a normal playstyle to proxy camp and tunnel , what makes it toxic is choosing to tunnel the weak link wether it be skill or ping based, same goes for proxy , but this is counter play to most play styles, if slugging is common bring unbreakable or just any perks that benefit from being left on the ground if proxy camping is becoming common being gen progression perks and tool box let him camp and trade hooks when needed
Happened to me last night. Kept on gettting slugged over and over. His username was anonymous. Really felt like shit, was a horrible game way too long just to torture us.
I can deal with tunneling as a survivor but I refuse to deal with (if I'm a killer or not) actual slugging or sandbagging (from teammates) I do understand the end game where if a killer is confirming a kill and he hardcore camps my body at end game but people who say its a strategy if you camp not endgame or slug everyone for 4 minutes are just not good at the game and try to do that (I let it pass if they are baby killers) I also feel the same way about survivors the ones who run all flashlights and flashbangs and bully people and get mad if the killer is running light born. I understand perks and I am okay with knockout I am not okay with how some will use it because it's supposed to be to help against people who are toxic not to be used as toxic. Other than that I do have fun on DBD with few annoying matches but I try not to run the trashy perks or items because I as everyone else want to enjoy the game killer or survivor.
Anything that holds the game hostage is pretty toxic. Slugging and camping are the main actions I feel that contribute to it. However, I do feel like any BM also is toxic (tbagging, hitting while hooked, etc.)! It creates a toxic environment and I believe it’s just rude. Some people play the game purely because they love it and not with the intention to win. Going against someone with BM ruins that experience.
Will likely never happen. Slugging will always be in the game regardless, just like hook camping. It would make it then unfair for killers if everyone just auto unbreakable..
Slugging is fine. Even 4k slugging. Knockout isn't even any good and is hard counters by any coms or people paying attention. Should the devs just make you bleed out faster so that people aren't "held hostage" while the killer tries to end the game as fast as they can?
Toxic actions are action that serve no point gameplay wise and give no advantage to the player performing them while being used exclusively to harass players. Simple as that. As long as the actions are beneficial it wouldn't be right to call them toxic. There's a term called "cheesing", a series of actions and decisions that allow players to have easier time performing better without putting too much effort.
Im like halfway through watching the Ghostface match and so far he wasn't really that toxic. A little weird trying to stalk so much but honestly those are the scare killers
I think slugging is the worst strat ever. Like if you are getting tunneled you can still do something and if someone is camping at least the rest of the team can rush gens and hopefully escape, but if someone has a slugging build I feel like theres not a lot you can do. Slugging is toxic in my opinion (and i mean like the wraight game, not slugging when theres another surv nearby and you go for them also)
Why do people keep talking about skill issues, what ever happened to playing a game because you like it and it's fun. It's not always about skill or being the best, it's a game, have some fun. I admit I'm not the best, but I like the fun of the game. Tunneling and camping, and slugging in toxic manners is not fun and it's not a skill issue.
Toxic to me is something done intentionally against regular or dev-intended gameplay or for no other reason than to ruin the fun and enjoyment for other players. In competitive play, camping to ensure second hook or a kill is expected, so it's not toxic. In regular games where some players did not sign up for that level of play, being face- or proxycamping is toxic. Teabagging after every stun or excessive gesturing is also toxic, since it's just a way for a survivor to say they think they're better than the other player.
Yeah I hate killers that play like that wraith. I’m not a very good killer but I still get consistent wins by simply playing the game in a way that’s fun for everyone rather than tunnel slug and camp.
first i will define toxic as something that makes the game less enjoyable or ruins the game for other players. i think that it is toxic could also be categorized as being when players aren’t respectful of other people’s time/feelings. my thoughts are always play in the manner you would want to face. to me it is super toxic to slug if there are no other survivors around, there’s no point to bleeding someone out. it’s toxic to tbag and wait at the gate when the killer didn’t get you. same as when the killer humps you on the ground or hits you on hook or zones you. tunnling to me is toxic because it ruins the match for everyone involved, it is so hard to come back from. dcing when you first go down is toxic because you’re hurting the game for other players. i think the bottom line is if you are doing something that actively makes the game unenjoyable for someone else on purpose that is toxic. holding people hostage when you lost is so silly and mean. literally leaving chase when the unhook notification goes off to go tunnel is insane. i think it’s toxic if there is no counter or the counter is very difficult to pull off because that just makes for un-fun gameplay.
Wait until the toolbox buff sabo squads are going to be toxic. So slugging will be justified, but survivor mains will moan about anything the killer does.
THE HATCH ON THE WRAITH GAME WAS DESERVED! IT WAS LIKE HELLO GET IN HERE
seriously. that match was sooo long.. i felt so bad for my teammates
The only thing that I think is toxic is not respecting people's time. Like the wraith game, the survivors on the ground had no way to go next quickly and had to wait the full bleedout. And the jake who just needed to stay for the whole endgame collapse for no reason.
Yes! I also agree with waiting at the exit gates. It's very unnecessary to continue wasting the killer's time when the match is already over.
Yeah, but I've learned most survivors will just leave if you're just sit in the middle of the map not feeding into their b*******@@ProbablyMish
@@ProbablyMishif the killer is toxic and lets my teammates bleed out or beats me or teammates on hook they’re getting tbagged at the exit gates. It’s just gonna happen.
Thats my creed lol..
The AUDACITY of that wraith to say GGs
hateee when they toxic and say gg. like no it WASNT
For him it was. These people consider a good game making other people miserable.
I like the idea of Knockout in that it can cause panic and paranoia among less coordinated teams to see your teammate go down and have no idea where, especially when you're playing as a stealth killer, but yeah the reality is that 99% of the time it's used as a tool for perma slugging. I think it needs something like NOED where the aura of the slug gradually gets larger and larger over 20-30 sec
WAIT I actually love that idea! That would be a great way to keep the perk what it is, but also make it better for the other side. Great idea!
Omg it was so satisfying to see you getting hatch after looping that Wraith for so long. Amazing looping skills.
I was so happy to see hatch honestly. Thank you so much that means a lot!
I love the little tips that you add they’re actually so helpful and a lot of things I didn’t know😭
So happy to hear you guys find them helpful! There is so much to learn with this game, and even for me it can be hard remembering every add on & perk!
I’ve been playing the new game mode almost nonstop since it released and the killers have been sooooo much more toxic than I’ve ever experienced. Almost every single game has been something awful to go against. Hard and I mean HARD tunneling, slugging for 4K, hook camping, slugging in general. I don’t understand why people are taking the new game mode so seriously. I thought it would be more chill and fun and you get extra bloodpoints but I’m not sure if the extra blood points and the chance to try perks I don’t otherwise have is worth it
Its because the garbage and toxic killers can actually get kills when no one knows what their perks are they'll be back to getting 1ks tomorrow when the event ends. Tip for you play late at night
Oh no! So sorry to hear your games were so rough! I didn't really play much of the new game mode, I like to interact with my stream too much to pay too much attention to perks & I just like my build, but I heard a lot of people were loving it!
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭. Probably one of those “I play how I want, I don’t follow your little rule book” maniacs.
sadly that is allowed.
I got a nemesis match where he camped me on the first hook, then slugged the other 3 and started humping them while they bled.
Recorded it, sent a ticket for unsportsmanship and got politely told is a valid tactic and they invited me to educate myself into what´s considered reason to report. (i no longer bother reporting other than outright cheating)
I faced him on rpd a while ago it was not a fun experience😢
OMG personally I really hate having to wait out the slug timer. I wish there was a surrender option for the team for situations like that.
that is the snail wraith build, long time ago it was used to derank
@@DragoonKnight00no, it's not. It falls under refusing to participate in normal gameplay. Slugging everyone at five gen's and then waiting in a corner for them to bleed out is bannable
In my opinion, it’s mostly situational BUT a couple things that annoy me
As killer: when the survivors wait in end gate until the collapse timer is about to run out and crouch spamming in the gate as well as trying to get repeated blinds with their flashies like JUST LEAVE. Also had a survivor who had boil over and intentionally ran to a corner so that I couldn’t hook them so yes I bled them out
As a survivor: when a killer slugs for no valid reason, when the killer tunnels also for no valid reason, and camping early on. Like in end game I don’t think it’s bad to face camp cuz what else can you do you know? I got tunneled out not even a full 2 minutes into a match before and I was kind of annoyed by it, very unfun match. Also if they h/ump you while they bleed you out… just unnecessary and gross behavior smh
To sum it up, it’s mostly situational, but overall if you’re purposely trying to slow down the match and make it the worst experience for either side, you’re toxic.
Side note: Love you and your videos so much Mish! Glad to be a part of your community ❤
I watch a friend play killer, and I can tell you that survivors waiting at the exit gates instead of just leaving or coming back once the gates are opened to taunt a killer who isn't moving and clearly wants to end the match) will usually cause them to stop caring about being "fair" soon enough. He watches hooks and doesn't tunnel, but after a few matches with teabagging, comments such as "Good job EZ", and "Baby killer", he'll say to hell with it and make play hell for survivors afterward. It's a shame, especially with the new chaos shuffle.
Yes! Once the game is over I think we should just have respect for everyone's time and leave so that we can get started in a new match! Also omg I hate the boil over & run to a corner strat... I don't blame anyone for bleeding out in those situations.
i really respect killers who don’t tunnel. when i play killer, i try to keep the game a little balanced bc i know what it feels like pipping down when you didn’t even get the chance to play:( like im not going to let them win bc thats no fun either, but its just a game and even a little kindness in a game like this can make people’s day. but i play mobile and im very appreciative of you! ive gotten a lot more patient since watching. i hope one day i can get the main game :D
I Know the tunnelling is a Bad Idea but without tunnelling i cant win i try so hard to not tunnelling survivors but most of Time i lose😢😢
Yes, I try to play killer the way I would have fun facing as survivor. And vice versa! I am so glad to hear you've improved & hope to see you on the main game some day! Thank you for watching my videos it means a lot!
@@Girpdbd A win is considered when a killer gets a 4k or all 4 survivors escape. When 3 survivors escape and 1 dies then it's a draw. Just like hatch is. You don't need to tunnel to win..
@@Girpdbd You just need a good perk build in that case, i have faced p100 players and still managed to win at least 80% of my matches and i don't have to tunnel or face camp or slug. The trick is to catch survivors off guard and think smarter, try and watch other main youtuber killers that play legit with pure skills and you'll get there believe me. Lady Mish for instance just gave us a good advice when you are in a good spot walk slowly because the game thinks you are not in chase anymore and breaks the killer's bloodlust, so keep that in mind for next time. So that's how you improve either way.
@@rosiethorn5812u win 80% of games by not tunnelling and camping I win 90% of games by tunnelling and camping
i just randomly came upon your channel and it was an immediate sub for me- youre truly the energy i wish i had during any match of dbd LOL i'm usually fuming
I had a death slinger tunnelling at 4 gens, slugging everyone and bm’ing me on hook all because he brought a midwich offering…HE brought a midwich offering and was upset….about getting midwich….??
how does that make sense?
That’s not adding up.
Wait did the slinger tell you they were mad they were on midwich?
@@simpleplanfan011 trust me i was so confused
OMG the other day I had a clown tunnel and bleed me out while humping and then in endgame chat he told me: "Map offering = tunnel xD" even though I didn't bring the offering and I was solo queue.. LMAO
WHY IS IT ALWAYS WRAITHS WHO RUN KNOCK OUT
I kid you not, I’ve been seeing this perk so much more for some reason. I faced slugging Twins back to back using it, and within a couple days a Chucky and Ghost Face who also did the same?? Like why is this remotely used at all, its just no fun for anybody.
That bubba just wanted to play peek-a-boo.
I love a Bubba
And then people say “oh well just bring unbreakable” you shouldn’t have to rely on that. This game is so toxic, I’ve been playing less and less
I believe the toxicity lies behind the reason of the action, not the action itself. Slugging someone and watching them bleed out is toxic, slugging because there are 3 survivors around you is justifiable. Tunneling someone for a petty reason (playing a specific character, wearing a certain cosmetics, bringing a flashlight) is toxic, tunneling for pressure is not (but I still think it's a skill issue/unlucky. Just take the L and move on). The thing is being toxic as killer is thousands of times more impactful than survivor. Killer mains only will never get this.
This is actually a hot take imo, I play both survivor and killer and I started off maining survivor. I started off seeing a lot of things as being toxic that killers would do and after months of that I started watching killer videos and started playing the other half of the game. Honestly, it opened my eyes and I can see why killer mains claim toxic survivor behaviour and survivor mains claim toxic killer behaviour. The game is designed to put you against each other, the killer’s job to kill you and the survivors job to try to survive. I think people often forget that as a killer you aren’t entitled to every kill, and as a survivor you aren’t entitled to surviving every time. To put it even deeper into the lore, the entity thrives off of pain and suffering, so if anything survivors causing the killer as much frustration and frenzy in their mind gaming, and the killer being as brutal and torturous in their mind gaming feeds the entity to her fullest. But at the end of the day, say ggs and appreciate your opponent in those tough games. This game actually taught me a lot in gaming and i appreciate those really frustrating trials where I have to push myself to learn a new tactic
Probably the most annoying thing that can happen is that the killer slugs to get the 4k when the third survivor is already on the floor and the fourth survivor is in the corner of the map
Although it is worse for me when they find the fourth survivor near the third down survivor and before hooking and immediately starting the chase with the fourth survivor, they prefer to leave the other one in the floor for 2mins. (I'm talking about 2v1 situations and when the killer stomps the match at 4-5 gens)
Yeah, definitely sucks for the slug to sit there for 2-4 minutes doing nothing!
I think that slugging/tunneling/camping is purposely disrupting a normal match so it is toxic in terms of gameplay. There are perks to slow down matches (gen regression, healing slow downs, etc) so that kind of behavior is unnecessary and bad sportsmanship. But I do think that if endgame comes so quick and multiple survivors have extra hook states then camping/tunneling is fair game. Also the BM-ing on both sides (killers h/umping, b/eating survivors on hook) is toxic to me, and even if im playing survivor and see other survivors doing it (t-bagging, emoting during chases) its just corny to me.
I don't mind nods/nopers but once the h/umping starts I feel like it's too far. I try to be respectful on both sides.
@@ProbablyMish that’s fair! Those don’t really bother me but doing the actual emotes repeatedly feels like it’s too much
I emote a lot but it's simply so the killer thinks I'm vaulting or moving, not to bm. Is there a difference? How is someone supposed to tell? @@kiaraelana
@@The-Doctor6969 hm that’s a good point. I think when you go out of your way to be seen emoting at the killer that’s corny but if you’re doing it to mind game that’s different bc there’s a purpose. But there’s really no way to tell the difference from the killer side
When I started playing I thought spam crouching a few times at end gate was like saying goodbye to the killer 😅
I love how you explain the traits every video, helps a lot!
I genuinely think the only actual toxic thing in the game is bleeding out and major slugging like this killer.
Yes! Definitely agree!
@@ProbablyMish omg you replied!!!! Sorry for fangirling but I love you so much 🥹🥹🥹
@@Cadusssy so much love I appreciate you so much more than you know
@@ProbablyMish I’ve been trying to make it to a stream lately but I’ve been soooooo busy :((( but I have been lurking during class here and there on TH-cam!!
i think toxicity comes from the reason behind the tactic.
Bleeding everyone out while humping them its toxic, slugging one survivor to catch the last one you just saw running away not so much.
Are you a swf whose whole fun comes from seeing how much you can tilt the killer?, that can be considered toxic, blinding the killer at paletes to gain distance?, that is anoyying but not really toxic.
There are a lot of things in dbd that can make the match unfun for both sides and toxicity comes when they are done with that specific purpose.
I find your experience of the Perks without knowing they got them really impressive!
And your Laugh is awesome
Just found your channel and I’m obsessed with your videos!!!! I’m so shocked you don’t have over 100k subs but you got a new one today Love your vids!!!!
Wow, that means so much to me! Thank you so much for subscribing and watching! It means a lot!
I love how you always teach us things Mish, please never stop 💕
So happy to have this opportunity to teach you guys!
I once played a match against the Pig who had an add-on giving all survivors Active Reverse Bear Traps at the start. There was only one correct jigsaw box for everyone, but the Pig blocked it, so we just waited to die. It was the most toxic ass game I've ever experienced.
Yeah that's not true at all
@@DemCheeks666 it is true. it was a long time ago. I dunno what add-on that is or if the killer used a hack. But I'll never forget that match cause I was so pissed.
@@DemCheeks666This actually can happen before BHVR patched it a few updates ago, it was to prevent a pig from camping the correct box for the survivor to remove their trap when the trial starts.
Yeah that can't happen anymore, the game spawns in 5 boxes instead of 4 so she can't camp one, so I'm guessing this happened to you a while ago? also when the pig could do that a while ago, it was still entirely possible to get a 3 man out so I don't know why you all just waited to die
@@scurbbb yes it was a long time ago. I can't speak for the other survivors (maybe they just wanted to die?) I'm on solo que, but I tried all the boxes, the only one left was the one she was blocking. But it's good to know that can't happen anymore. I can't see why killers like that enjoy that tactic.
I suppose the term “toxic”is subjective. Same thing as in the video happened to me but I wouldn’t call it toxic. Some players like to slug because that’s their play-style. It’s definitely not fun for sure from the survivors pov. Toxic gameplay to me is when a player comment on other players ability or start harassing them for no reason. I was told recently to quit playing dbd bc I suck at it, and simply to go sell my account so others can make use of it. I’d want BEHAVIOUR to address this matter of “what’s a toxic gameplay” in near future. It’s a very fascinating topic.
What you described sounds more like cyberbullying more than toxic gameplay. I think the two are a little different. (imo)
Oh for sure! Definitely crosses a line when people take it past the game and make comments like that. I have had all sorts of comments after the match & I know people are always asking for voice chat, but honestly feel like it would just make those situations worse.
i started subbing last night ur content is really good
That's so awesome! Thank you so much and welcome in
me personally… i think that playing as The Trickster is the most toxic that a killer can get
preach
LMAO why do so many people hate Trickster? I had so many people arguing about trickster in a video I posted not too long ago!
Ironically, that is the most toxic sentiment I've heard so far. But it's your personal opinion so...
@@ProbablyMishEvery Trickster I faced so far was camping and tunnelling, including P100 Tricksters. I’m not the best survivor out there, I main killers, but it’s preposterous.
@@ProbablyMishbecause if they have certain add ons it’s almost impossible to counter play.
It’s so boring and feels pointless even trying as you’re playing a losing game.
I wouldn’t really call the bubba toxic, yes he was camping and tunneling. But it was at 1 gen left and was probably his only shot at getting a kill
Yeah… also the “zoning” isn’t exactly toxic either imo. Getting caught in a bad position sucks, but positioning is also a big part of being a skilled survivor. Like we never see survivors leaving a good loop because it’s too strong? I wouldn’t expect a killer to let the survivor get to a strong area of the map either :/
Thank you for this video!!! I think a toxic killer is one who doesn't have any intention of playing the game as it's supposed to be played but one who just abuses all of the game's overpowered perks and add on's. Killers who slug and don't pick up are really toxic.
hey just wanted to say i stumbled across your youtube channel and i think your insane at the game keep up the good work
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'why you breathing like that" sent me to the grave hahaha
that background player scenario was WILDDD 😂
that figure 8 at the beginning was clean thooooo!
- When they slug early on (not considering when they are just downing people who are trying to get flashy saves/etc, i mean traveling the whole ass map just to slug ppl) or tunnel for no reason other than to do it ( like, hooks someone and WAITS for them to be picked just to tunnel)
- When it's endgame and survivors wait in exit gate tbbaging until time almost runs out / until killer reaches them. Or on hatch. Like, just leave, the faster you do the faster we all can go to another game.
I think in general, just wasting ppls time and going out of the way to make a game less fun it's toxic.
Yes! Just being respectful of each others time. I understand slugging is necessary in some situations, but when you come in with the intention of slugging it sucks because there's little interaction/to do for the survivors on the floor.
There’s a Wraith at high mmmr (I think the name is something like PooPooPeePee lol) who literally just slugs. They’ll bring sloppy, Knockout, deerstalker and slug everyone then go stand in a corner til everyone bleeds out. I’ve faced them like 5 times this year already smh. It’s like who hurt them 💀😭
Those were some fancy jukes there at the end with Pig. Well played! 🤌
Thank you so much!
Little tip. Most streamers smurf. I called one out the other day. She was spinning killers like mad I thought this is suss. Asked her to show her devotion level. Surprise surprise she said it's a new account lol my next word to her was.... Pathetic
@@MetalAddict6810 LMAO i do not smurf or have another account. I stream on this account everyday and never play off stream. I have a lot of my community added for open lobby days when I do them, and they can tell you they never see me online unless I'm live. Matchmaking is not an exact science because it prioritizes quick matches. This doesn't mean most streamers smurf.
@@ProbablyMishDid I say you smurf? I was talking in general. That pig was absolute dog 💩 that is a fact LMAO
@@MetalAddict6810 Well, that seems like a bit of an unfair assumption to make. The actions of some streamers shouldn’t be a reflection of what most streamers are like. That kind of cynicism is no good for anyone. :(
Wraith players are some of the most miserable people on the face of the plant I swear. Id rather have a nurse then a wraith, at least then the game will be over fast 😭
As a survivor main I can never wrap my head around the fact that survivors want to rush thier objective but when it’s the killer rushing their objective it’s a problem smh such hypocrisy
You laugh like my sister! Lol i thought she was the only person that laughs that why! I love it!
Aw love that! Much love to you and your sister!
Do you even get a decent amount of points playing killer like this? Anyone?
Your very good and I faced a knight that did the same thing slug with knockout you did a good job looping the killer to be honest earned a new subscriber.
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Only thing I think is toxic about playing killer is when they smack on hook, t-bag with certain killers, or do the slug hump. Otherwise, everything else is fair game and merely a strategy within the game to acquire the win. Just like how it's nothing personal when survivors spam flashlights, flashbangs, gen-rush, spam head-on, heal in your face, bodyblock etc. However, t-bagging at the gates, t-bagging at pallets etc, Imo is pretty toxic behavior. Idk, just seems like any behavior that is meant to antagonize the other player with no win condition tied to it is unnecessary. Even the Wraith in the beginning... it's like... if he brought a slug build then why wouldn't he slug? Just like if a survivor team brought 4 brand new parts and gen-rush perks... why wouldn't they gen-rush? There's nothing toxic about wanting to win the game and utilize unique builds and game mechanics to do so. That's part of the fun of the game. However, it is toxic to purposely put your opponent / opponents down with the sole intention of making them feel inadequate.
I think the only toxic thing is ruining the game for no reason. As a new killer, some people LOVE to t-bag every chance they get, taunt at the exits the entire countdown, it's ridiculous! I understand slugging if there's no close hooks, grouped up survivors, etc. One time these two survivors crawled to a corner with no hooks so I had to let them bleed out. Another time all four were at shack so I slugged them all before hooking them, and had to let Sable bleed out since she went to the basement and was obvious about having Wicked. I think those are acceptable reasons to slug. But letting everyone bleed out just because is toxic. I went against a slugging-only Bubba with No-Mither and I got so much perk value, but I thought it was toxic since he could've ended the game at 5 gens but chose to drag it on forever. Face-camping and tunneling are genuine strategies in the late game and sometimes the only way the killer can make a comeback. I consider it rude, but not toxic, to do in the early game, especially since anti-camp exists. I sometimes like getting tunneled though since I need to practice looping 😂 but I try not to tunnel as killer unless I need to to win
Tunneling used to bother me as a new player, but doesn't really bother me now since I enjoy chases. However, I do feel bad when my teammates are getting tunneled and they are having a tough time. I do agree with situational slugging as well. I don't think slugging in itself is toxic. Thank you for leaving some feedback
You deserve a subscribe just for enduring that Wraith game. That was just an ugly thing to do.
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Mish the breathing at end game on the ghostface clip lmaooo
I literally had a Huntress the other day that refused to kill me and Ada. Our team basically got run over by her and 2 were dead at 5 gens left, so we just gave up and waited at a hook. Huntress turned around to face a corner and went afk for like 5 minutes. Then, she kept hitting at a gen. We kept trying to tell her to just kill us please, but she went afk again. So I started working on the gens while Ada also went afk. I did the 5 gens while the Huntress carried Ada after me and just watched me. Then, once I was finally done, she hooked Ada and let me escape. Was the absolute shittiest game I've ever had, I was bored out of my mind and annoyed as hell.
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I played against that Wraith, his steam profile was hilarious 😂 17,000 hours on Runescape and like 700 hours on a hentai game
I personally dont think anything regarding actual gameplay is toxic. Granted, there are things I dislike, like being bleed out for 4 minutes, since I feel like my time is being wasted, but I dont see it as inherently toxic, since I could just bring perks to counteract it but I actively choose not to (Unbreakable, Soul Guard, etc, honestly this can be applied with literally anything in the game). Though if a player decides to use said strategies, I dont think they should complain about what other people do in a game since those strategies are often frowned upon by the general community (basically, dont deal it out if you cant handle the same type of stuff being done to you).
THIS BEING SAID... once you take things out of the game and start to harass people in the post-game chat or through other various means, that is when it becomes toxic, since you are taking things that happened in a game and dragging it into the real world which is a massive "no-go" for me.
Toxicity in a game like DBD can be difficult not gonna lie. After that entire slug fiesta he wrote "gg :)" in the postgame chat. For all we know it's a person who's had a rough day, maybe even a rough week and for whatever reason find joy in securing a 4k early on by slugging and so a 3k game with a nea giving them their chase of a lifetime did make their day a lil' brighter. You feel me? I think it's very difficult due to the simple fact that often times, what one side finds enjoyable is NOT enjoyable for the other side and therefor killers and survivors can rarely if ever see eye to eye.
Either way, great video. Love the commentary and skills.
I know this comment is old but he most certainly wrote that with the sole intention of trying to instigate a rise out of the survivors. People who bring knock out & deerstalker are exactly the same breed of people who used to bring basement bubba. Like sure, you can be okay with it personally but it's a widely known-to-be maligned play style and the vast majority of people who did it were specifically trying to salt bait people.
"WS"-ing makes me sick and is absolutely toxic.
I love doing what the wraith does except on nurse and no add ons. Just try to kill everyone without a single hook!
Yo why did you talking that hooked surv through it make me feel something 😳 lol
I agree but also, theres a difference between slugging at 4 genz and playing like you own the place. I was killer once and I downed a survivor at 4 genz. A survivor was nearby for a flashlight save, so I downed them as well. I went to pick up the first survivor and when I hooked them, saw the other two healthy survivors in my vicinity running around to heal the survivor that was downed. Am I just supposed to let that happen? Like huh? I feel like there is too many complaints from both sides. Survivors complain too much and so do killers. The role of a killer is to kill. The role of a survivor is to survive. By any means necessary it is ok. I dont find perks like noed or head on toxic. Its part of the game and as a survivor or killer, you need to learn how to counter it instead of crying that your skill level cant match the opposing perks. This is a general statement to the community, not directed to you Mish, love your content keep going! ❤❤
Specifically for that first game how the wraith was "slugging", knockout was completely counterable if the survivors didnt get downed in the first place. Thats how you counter slugging, dont get downed. And its a skill gap in that sense. 4 survivors who can play like mish would easily beat this wraith.
@CaptainTuba not everyone has the same play style that's a ridiculous argument
In my eyes, toxic ways of playing the game is performing any kind of behaviour that halts the game not just for you but especially for the other players. Killers seem to do this a lot more than survivors (at least from the games I usually play), and I think it's because of Behaviour. Despite the fact that you get points for doing multiple things, people only feel rewarded if they survive or if they get all four kills (no matter how either of those comes about).
I don't remember which one, but @PirateSoftware talked a little bit about this in one of his videos on a different game.
My definition of toxic gameplay is anyone who is intentionally trying to make the game unfun for someone else. Camping/Tunneling/Slugging isnt necessarily toxic if the killer is doing it to win and not just to piss people off. While camping/tunneling/slugging might not be the most fun thing to deal with, if the killer isn't doing it purposefully to be an ass or hold people hostage , it then falls to the devs to make a healthier game state.
Playing killer in general is toxic 😅 this games community has a weird obsession with thinking that the enemy player owes them a “fun and fair” game, and its honestly jaw-dropping some of the things they say!
I had a Chucky do that once on Swamp Rose. It was pretty wild. He slugged everyone and humped every body until we all bled out.
Slugging is a strat you use to generate pressure, especially if you're falling behind or if you know you can snowball because a bunch of people are hovering around. But, to just let people bleed out like that makes me feel like these guys got clapped multiple games in a row and just decided to take it out on the next unfortunate lobby.
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Hence why I run, unbreakable, tenacity, soul guard, and adrenaline, anti-slug build.
To be fair as a killer and survivor main slugging isn’t toxic nor is camping there literally tons of survivors perks and things you can do to stop that it all game strategy at the end of the day and it literally just a game as well so doesn’t really matter at that point killers can say being in a full swf is toxic as well haha 🤣
Everyone can play the game however they want if the game allows you to use that style there is usually a counter like unbreakable and a few other perks. The problem i see is that so many more people complain about slugging which is very easily counterable but no one addressing survivors exploiting the eerie of crows map with boilover or springwood main with no basement this in my opinion is a much bigger issue
I just wish they added a button to make bleed out faster when slugged so then I'm not wasting 4 minutes of my day and can just move on tot he next game.
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Toxic to me is anything that negates proper sportsmanship, everyone’s allowed to play how they want tho which is fine. But some people’s chosen method is just plainly and simply toxic
that wraith omg...
It's so interesting watching you playing dbd😂
I play both, toxic for killer is slugging. For survivor, would be using window techs since it's a form of a glitch to get an advantage.
After this match I will always mark that Wraith skin as toxic.
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For me toxic is just the endgame chat i've seen people lately saying i hope you get C word or end with your live etc that's toxic for me but playing a game in order to win i don't thing is toxic is just the way it is, now people is saying "but why they waste peoples time" i mean you decide wasting your time playing videogames instead to do something else i don't see the point.
I had a TTV bleed us out at 5 gens. Went into the chat to ask why he did that. Reason was because one survivor disconnected. ??? Me and my friend were a duo, how are we supposed to control what others do? Gameplay like that is just annoying
I had a ttv do this so I dc'd, I then went in his chat & he was sat there saying there definitely a swf. Lmao lil bro I'm solo que. Idc naming him either his name was something like WdragonL
I’m a killer main and I don’t really endorse camping or slugging in most situations.
BUT… I will say the fact that killers don’t have a survivor rulebook all is fair in war ,when y’all have games constantly pallet stunning ,head on/flashlight, saving I don’t hear no Survivor main complaining …. Just assume it’s payback.🤷🏽♂️
Slugging and camping are the only toxic plays killers can do in my humble opinion. Although survivors can be annoying, killer is the only role that can effectively deny a player the opportunity to play the game.
The most toxic things i think survivors can do is 99 a gen with blastmine and finish it in the killers face when the killer is stunned, can also be done by blocking the entrance to the last gen, force the hit, tapp the gen, and disappear with adrenaline.
Other things can be annoying from both sides but not as far as i would call it toxic.
Im not really against anyone. I create my own fun and just focus on my personal growth and if i can loop a killer for 5 gens i take that as a step up. i think everyone has their own fair opinion. I think if the community as a whole stopped judging and berating others than we could all “learn” how to play without using unfavourable strats. Why would a killer care about playing fair if they just get attacked anyways for perks and add ons and such? And same goes with survivors. I know theres toxicity on both sides.
Thats just my opinion and i know the post game toxicity will never go away im just saying killers who have been toxic in one game can be the nicest killer in the next. Whether people agree or not just think about it next time you go to send someone a DM. So much easier to make friends than keeping up with an enemy ❤ if a killer feels support they may want to grow themselves and maybe theyll think about changing their playstyle.
I love this game too much to see it shatter because everyone is against eachother.
Finally beautiful looping and teammwork ❤ sorry for the long read
So because they get told things because of the perks they run it's all good and dandy to be toxic? No. I personally play both and find people who find a way to make the game unfun to be horrible. Slugging survivors or sandbagging teammates as a survivor people who do that are scum idc if they are nice to the people next game. That's like someone bullying you and your group of friends as a new kid at school and then the next group of new kids the bully is nice to them. I'm sending that report and I'm telling that slugger or sandbagger stuff and will call them out video evidence and all. That's my opinion. Treat others how you wanna be treated, I expect if I'm being a loser on a game to be called out on it.
@@Aura-Ora bro i didnt say its fine and dandy 😂 calm down. I dont think its fair to get personally attacked out of game because of what happened in game my dear. NOBODY deserves it. If your that tilted over how someone plays a game theres a block button you can press and then the problem is dealt with. I also said everyone has their own opinion. My deepest apologies if you cant handle others opinions
This part is a copy paste from my other comment-> (I play both survivor and killer and I started off maining survivor. I started off seeing a lot of things as being toxic that killers would do and after months of that I started watching killer videos and started playing the other half of the game. Honestly, it opened my eyes and I can see why killer mains claim toxic survivor behaviour and survivor mains claim toxic killer behaviour. The game is designed to put you against each other, the killer’s job to kill you and the survivors job to try to survive. I think people often forget that as a killer you aren’t entitled to every kill, and as a survivor you aren’t entitled to surviving every time. To put it even deeper into the lore, the entity thrives off of pain and suffering, so if anything survivors causing the killer as much frustration and frenzy in their mind gaming, and the killer being as brutal and torturous in their mind gaming feeds the entity to her fullest. But at the end of the day, say ggs and appreciate your opponent in those tough games. This game actually taught me a lot in gaming and i appreciate those really frustrating trials where I have to push myself to learn a new tactic)
I really hope the dbd community can see that we all have a shared love for this game in one way or another and it can only get better if we help create that. Without a healthy community the game can’t keep thriving. I love this game but the community makes me feel disconnected often because it’s always one side or the other, not as a whole
@@tamsuzuki4973 i love this 🫶🏻 ive met some very lovely people on both sides of the game and ive actually learned alot from the difficult trials i have. I can see my looping and tile usage lasts longer and its a fun and uplifting feeling to watch yourself still grow in a game 4 years later ❤️ best of luck to you in the fog 💕
i literally yelled out NANCY watching her be in the way for a second. (im at work)
things like this are always the developer's fault, not the player
imo toxic in dbd or any game is when you stop playing to win and start playing to make the other people miserable. it sucks to say as a survivor main, but the majority of the time, when i see something i really consider toxic, it's coming from survivors. a lot of "toxic" things that killers do are just strats, like tunneling or facecamping. that's not to say that killers can't be toxic. i've seen people slug all four survivors and bleed them out instead of just hooking and ending the game, which i think is toxic bc they've won and are just being petty.
omg that bubba is a baby. such a precious baby bubba omg 🤣 they are so cute trying to mindgame that shack door lmaoo im dead. they thought the whole lobby was a baby survivor lobby. im deceased🤭😭
16:30 she is waiting for last gen to pop, to open the gate I guess
well to be fair it’s a normal playstyle to proxy camp and tunnel , what makes it toxic is choosing to tunnel the weak link wether it be skill or ping based, same goes for proxy , but this is counter play to most play styles, if slugging is common bring unbreakable or just any perks that benefit from being left on the ground if proxy camping is becoming common being gen progression perks and tool box let him camp and trade hooks when needed
Happened to me last night. Kept on gettting slugged over and over. His username was anonymous. Really felt like shit, was a horrible game way too long just to torture us.
They need to change the radius of the anti camper cos killers are still able to camp from a distance
Me running Skull Merchant with Knockout -
I can deal with tunneling as a survivor but I refuse to deal with (if I'm a killer or not) actual slugging or sandbagging (from teammates) I do understand the end game where if a killer is confirming a kill and he hardcore camps my body at end game but people who say its a strategy if you camp not endgame or slug everyone for 4 minutes are just not good at the game and try to do that (I let it pass if they are baby killers) I also feel the same way about survivors the ones who run all flashlights and flashbangs and bully people and get mad if the killer is running light born. I understand perks and I am okay with knockout I am not okay with how some will use it because it's supposed to be to help against people who are toxic not to be used as toxic. Other than that I do have fun on DBD with few annoying matches but I try not to run the trashy perks or items because I as everyone else want to enjoy the game killer or survivor.
Anything that holds the game hostage is pretty toxic. Slugging and camping are the main actions I feel that contribute to it. However, I do feel like any BM also is toxic (tbagging, hitting while hooked, etc.)! It creates a toxic environment and I believe it’s just rude. Some people play the game purely because they love it and not with the intention to win. Going against someone with BM ruins that experience.
Aww the cry baby survivor doesnt want to be hit while hooked😢
Hopefully the devs implement a basekit Unbreakable that gets unlocked if you are on the ground for more than 2 minutes.
Will likely never happen. Slugging will always be in the game regardless, just like hook camping. It would make it then unfair for killers if everyone just auto unbreakable..
Slugging is fine. Even 4k slugging.
Knockout isn't even any good and is hard counters by any coms or people paying attention.
Should the devs just make you bleed out faster so that people aren't "held hostage" while the killer tries to end the game as fast as they can?
Toxic actions are action that serve no point gameplay wise and give no advantage to the player performing them while being used exclusively to harass players. Simple as that. As long as the actions are beneficial it wouldn't be right to call them toxic. There's a term called "cheesing", a series of actions and decisions that allow players to have easier time performing better without putting too much effort.
Im like halfway through watching the Ghostface match and so far he wasn't really that toxic. A little weird trying to stalk so much but honestly those are the scare killers
I think slugging is the worst strat ever. Like if you are getting tunneled you can still do something and if someone is camping at least the rest of the team can rush gens and hopefully escape, but if someone has a slugging build I feel like theres not a lot you can do. Slugging is toxic in my opinion (and i mean like the wraight game, not slugging when theres another surv nearby and you go for them also)
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yeah judging by how bad the wraith was in chase, killers who slug that hard are often not good enough to get kills with hooks lol
Why do people keep talking about skill issues, what ever happened to playing a game because you like it and it's fun. It's not always about skill or being the best, it's a game, have some fun. I admit I'm not the best, but I like the fun of the game. Tunneling and camping, and slugging in toxic manners is not fun and it's not a skill issue.
Toxic to me is something done intentionally against regular or dev-intended gameplay or for no other reason than to ruin the fun and enjoyment for other players. In competitive play, camping to ensure second hook or a kill is expected, so it's not toxic. In regular games where some players did not sign up for that level of play, being face- or proxycamping is toxic. Teabagging after every stun or excessive gesturing is also toxic, since it's just a way for a survivor to say they think they're better than the other player.
Yeah I hate killers that play like that wraith. I’m not a very good killer but I still get consistent wins by simply playing the game in a way that’s fun for everyone rather than tunnel slug and camp.
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first i will define toxic as something that makes the game less enjoyable or ruins the game for other players. i think that it is toxic could also be categorized as being when players aren’t respectful of other people’s time/feelings. my thoughts are always play in the manner you would want to face. to me it is super toxic to slug if there are no other survivors around, there’s no point to bleeding someone out. it’s toxic to tbag and wait at the gate when the killer didn’t get you. same as when the killer humps you on the ground or hits you on hook or zones you. tunnling to me is toxic because it ruins the match for everyone involved, it is so hard to come back from. dcing when you first go down is toxic because you’re hurting the game for other players. i think the bottom line is if you are doing something that actively makes the game unenjoyable for someone else on purpose that is toxic. holding people hostage when you lost is so silly and mean. literally leaving chase when the unhook notification goes off to go tunnel is insane. i think it’s toxic if there is no counter or the counter is very difficult to pull off because that just makes for un-fun gameplay.
Wait until the toolbox buff sabo squads are going to be toxic. So slugging will be justified, but survivor mains will moan about anything the killer does.
I think going against knockout builds is fun, but i don't play solo so it doesn't really work well for them