This is so good! I've been vegan for 7 yrs now but my pup eats raw. While I understand the dilemma of being vegan and owning a carnivore. I would never try to feed my dog/pet something they are not designed to eat.
But why are you vegan though, just like your pet's, your natural diet is carnivorous(as in humans should get over 20% of their calories from animal based sources) You should look into a carnivore or raw carnivore diet, or at least something similar, and I'm not talking about idiots like Shawn Baker but people who actually know about micro nutrients.. I suggest you check out the books: The fat of the land, by Vilhjalmur Stefansson and Nutrition and Physical degradation, by Weston A. Price Props for not starving your pet though, I respect that, idk how there are so many vegans that feed their cats and dogs plants, it's insane, how dense can one be
I never understood why vegans don’t just get an herbivorous pet like a rabbit or a bird. You don’t want your pet to eat meat? Don’t get a carnivore like a dog or a cat🤷🏻♀️
@@swedishdogs3327 for rabbit they do eat bug but not intentionally some time these bug get into there food like the grass or the plant they eat I should been less vague.
This is an amazing argument, because usually I would just yell at someone that their animals gonna get sick but you calmly put down the facts, and supported them.
Yelling never works... As a vegan, I fed my dogs Vdog for about a year, and before changing their diets, I checked with 3 different vets. I had multiple blood tests and was given the good to go. All their allergies were gone, and they thrived for a while... But, the more research I did, the more I learned about their needs. I can tell you from the bottom of my heart as a 10 years+ vegan, most vegans (that have been vegan for more than a few years) do not feel the need to push our morals nor believes to anyone, we respect everyone's right to do what they wish. I love my babies, and I will do right by them, even if that means preparing food that makes me physically ill.. I think after years of not smelling meat in my kitchen, my body was not prepared for the smell😮💨😮💨. But they come first, so here we are learning... 🤓🤓🤓
As someone who has NEVER ate meat in her whole life or brought it into my house, I feed raw to my cat because I know the term biologically appropriate.
Honestly I just don't understand why vegans care so much about herbivores and so little about carnivores, or chose to actively disrespect their nature.
Because some of them simply have a one track mind they think everyone and everything should be like them if you put a bowl of meat and a bowl of potatoes in front of a dog which one are they going to go to
I have no idea why your account isn’t bigger as your quality of content is AMAZING!! I enjoy all your content and it helped me take the plunge into raw feeding and help to educate others hoping to take the jump as well. Thanks for being awesome!!
I'M A VEGAN AND I FEED RAW: It makes me extremely upset to see some vegans force their diets onto their pets. When you get an pet like a cat, dog, or a ferret - you're signing up for a life of feeding them a biologically appropriate diet. To not provide them with that is ANIMAL CRUELTY which, if your reason behind being vegan is to "save the animals", is extremely hypocritical. If you are a vegan and want a vegan pet, there are options out there for you! Don't make your animal suffer to make yourself feel better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I an disgusted by the vegan pet community. Do better.
This is a very controversial topic. But what is more cruel? To feed our pet a “natural” diet, letting dozens of farm animals to be tortured and killed for our whim to have a carnivore pet? Or to try so spare their lives, at the cost of some potential health problems, maybe even premature death? Many would argue that the health of your pet should be your first priority, but what about all the other innocent beings that dit nothing to have such horrendous lives? I think the solution is to at least try vegan pet food, which in the latest and biggest study proved to be even healthier on many aspects of cats’ health. bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8 This could be because normal pellets are not the natural cats’ diet. They are leftovers of the meat industry.
@The Kid Who Likes Cute Things did you make the switch gradually? If they always eat meat and suddenly his organism finds no more animal protein, he’ll have a hard time producing the compound amino acids. They should learn how to create those from the 9 essential amino acids in plants if the process from 0 to 100% vegan is done during 2 months or so.
ThatVeganTeacher needs to watch this video and rethink having her dog Bella on a Vegan diet since 2017... As a vegetarian myself who wants to be vegan for ethical reasons I would never force this onto any of my pets. I want to get a dog in the future, maybe within a year or so and I plan on giving it a raw diet because I know that is most natural and in captivity our pets rely on us to make the best choices for them as they can't.
I'm a vegetarian but I know what my pets need. I would never hurt them like that. I cooked for my kitty for most of her life once I found out about kibble. She would only eat cooked but she thrived on it. My parents would laugh at the vegetarian cooking up a big pan of meat in the kitchen lol. But I'm willing to give them what they need I may be able to be healthy without meat but they can't.
Taken from a comment I responded to: 1. GI foods - Its a ratio of fiber to supplied carbs, or speed of digestion. Rice and potatoes are staples in the human diet entirely bc of energy density, and in poorer countries, often paired with seriously fibrous foods. This is 101 of how food digestion works. 2. Metabolizing energy - first off, comparing dogs to the set of cats and ferrets which are literal obligate carnivores, and entirely discarding modern biochemistry, totally misses the differences and relative context. No argument to be made because I imagine most people have common sense to understand how a cat is kinda different to a ferret, and dually with dogs. 3. Carnivora. Pandas and Red Pandas are Carnivora. Darwinism is about survival of the *fittest*, not most *fit*. Even in fiction, the premise of idiocrasy which drives home the basic point--fitness precedes mechanistic inference. Group up your datapoints, dogs are clearly not wolves as much as boiler chickens are not jungle fowl. A chihuahua is not a wolf. Common sense. Different story if you have a literal wolf as a pet (which.. surprise surprise hasn't lived for thousands of years alongside humans farming plants). 4. Biological features - Gastric ph of dogs being 1.5-2 (a bit skewed because a beagle can get 4.6) versus humans range of... 1.5-3.5? The science is already out on human digestibility. Why is the point being made so reduced? Then there's consideration of bodily responses and how pH fluctuates depending on the meal! 5. Mispronounced Taurine (and later methionine), ok no big deal. Regurgitate the taurine and amino acid profile thing? C'mon its 2021 as of the video. Biochemistry. Everything literally has a complete amino acid profile in the sense it has all essential proteins (in varying levels)! This has been rehashed in the scientific community over and over, and just keeps popping back up whenever some trendy journalist wants to make a splash that confirms what ppl want to do, even when its contrary to science. 5a. Sigh.. Bioavailability should consider volume and maybe context.. yes? Maybe synthetic vitamins taken when the body isn't primed to eating food probably means it wont produce enzymes that make it suitably more absorbable... the entire problem of synthetic vitamins is the usage as isolated compounds without context dependent micronutrients.. carbohydrates.. wth man i thought this was supposed to be an educational video 6. Dilated cardiomyopathy has been a concern, especially if you are privy to studies like that of those that came from UC Davis concerning a sample of 24 golden retrievers. Specifically to note, "none of these diets were feeding trial tested using Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) procedures". Supplemented Taurine and switched diets and boom 9/11 dogs with heart disease reduced or (mostly) regressed. 7. 7:23 Pls tell me ppl read the study on the screen in the video. As in actually read the whole paragraph and not a sentence that is a good sound bit for the video. 8. 8:26 ok Im done. Anyone who understood the function of antinutrients, and how it's defined, with any scientific rigor, would see how this buzzword is often overused and not well understood (hint: its part of why its still a burgeoning field of scientific research!). The Evolution of Stomach Acidity and Its Relevance to the Human Microbiome: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519257/#:~:text=Obligate%20scavengers%20(1.3%20%C2%B1%200.08,herbivore%20(6.1%20%C2%B1%200.31) Taurine deficiency and dilated cardiomyopathy in golden retrievers fed commercial diets: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209112 P.S. To the video maker, please I urge you to not make low level claims backed up by obviously no expertise. These massively reduced talking points are why people have a distrust and misunderstanding of science.
If they get an adequate nutritional intake then it's fine, there are existing plant based pet feed that derive essential nutrients in a digestable form for them, from plant based ingredients. We have the technological means to make this possible. We shouldn't have domesticated or bred them to begin with though. Veganism isn't a diet, it's an ethical obligation and philosophy.
Why is vegan pet food so discouraged while kibble is not. I consider it to be in the same category as extremely processed and synthetically sourced food
Thank you!!! Dogs are facultative carnivores, cats and ferrets are obligate carnivores Why feed a vegan diet they can't thrive on? Why lower their quality of life? (Also dogs have not moved evolutionary far enough away from wolves in their digestive capabilities to be omnivores, they are STILL facultative carnivores) My fave website is raw feeding veterinary society, that have moved away from kibble sponsored education to take a biology based approach in their veterinary philosophy
Just for curiosity as I have seen new studies and research which dispute this theory. I have not came across any which show any harm to the animals but in some aspects benefiting such as decreases in liver disease while on a vegan diet. If you're interesting the one i am referring to it is BMC veterinary research.
fun fact: the big cats who have been seen eating fruit frequently test for kidney issues when captured for medical check-ups. the theory I've most heard is that the fruits they're eating tend to help kidney problems and the cats are drawn to it because of that, but it's still very much theory.
@@PawsofPrey I'll get in contact with the zoo vet who had the deets, but I dunno how long it'll take. This comes from a 2012 study, I know that much. Might help to narrow it down. It was primarily seen in Amur Leopards iirc.
Yes that's right! I go over all of the bioavailable vitamins and minerals (that dogs and cats need, and that raw diets easily provide) here: th-cam.com/video/xf8Y6E-qOmM/w-d-xo.html
Happy birthday matsu!!! I was just wondering if I feed wheatgrass, does that mean that I don’t have to give any oysters for zinc, mussel for manganese and vitamin e oil? Kinda sounds too good to be true lol. And any wheatgrass brands that u recommend? Loved the video btw!
Raw vitaboost is great for aiding in zinc, but even the company themselves said the zinc found in the mix may vary, so they don't even market it for filling nutritional gaps, really. As far as wheatgrass powder, I have heard good things about Anthony's Organic
Vegans should take a realistic approach and buy from local farmers or butchers, to ensure animals are well treated and healthy. This is already a “best practice” in raw feeding communities. As a lifelong vegetarian (turned pescatarian with a mostly vegan wife) we’re working our raw fed pup gets animals that were treated well. I’ve been getting free-range turkeys, grass-fed humane certified beef, and crate free vegetarian pork, and avoiding chicken (except feet as they are the pups favorite raw bone). But sourcing ethically is important to us, and neither of us would ever have thought to feed vegan kibble. The idea of people actually feeding their dog vegan makes me pissed, I do judge people hard for that one.
But what do you call it when animals get killed at a fraction of their lifespan so you can eat them? For you people "animal abuse" only exists when it concerns pets, but not farm animals.
@@ASpinoNamedSpike Nature would be if you went outside and hunted all of your meat. Factory farming is so far removed from nature that it's not even funny. Also "nature" is brutal and humans always act as if they are above other animals. Practice what you preach?
I am vegetarian and planning on going vegan. Here is my breakdown of the pros and cons of vegan dog food: Cons: * The potential health issues and deficiencies risks if not a well-planned/vet-formulated vegan dog food. * The negative perceptions and criticisms from other people. Pros: * Enabling vegans to have and rescue dogs without compromising their morals towards other animals. * The potential health benefits when compared to other diets, such as the conventional kibble/wet food diets, especially cheaper foods. * The option being there for dogs with meat allergies and other specific dietary requirements that may need a vegan/meat-free diet. * Saving other animals/compassion for other animals that are also equally important. Where’s the logic in saving and caring for and loving one animal to bits if you’re going to end up contributing to such behemoth suffering, cruelty and slaughter of thousands and thousands of other animals over the lifetime to feed them? * Dogs can be vegan, even though it isn’t recommended generally, and can actually thrive on a vet-formulated/otherwise nutritionally adequate vegan diet, so why go against your morals and contribute to such cruelty when it is unnecessary? I think both the raw diet and the vegan diet both have their definite pros for dogs. Ethically and environmentally speaking, vegan dog diets win. Health-wise, the raw diets win. That being said, one thing that I can agree with the people who are against this on is feeding cats a vegan diet. Dogs are omnivores, even though their diet would naturally consist mainly of meat, however, cats are obligate carnivores and there is so much more risk with feeding a cat a vegan diet.
I can't believe some people would be so DUMB to try and feed their carnivorous pets a vegetable based diet. If you don't want a pet that eats meat, adopt an herbivore!
@@skigstfolglps5398 there carnivores if you watched the video there teeth aren't designed for plant matter and there stomach is a ph1 and there from the order carnivore 😀
@@skigstfolglps5398 Hi! Just some friendly facts --- Dogs are not omnivores, they are facultative carnivores which have important differences from a true omnivore. A true omnivorous species has the option to eat zero meat and thrive (humans/pigs, etc.) --- a facultative carnivore will not thrive, removing meat significantly lowers their quality of life over time. The difference between a facultative carnivore (wolves/coyotes/dingos/dogs) and an obligate carnivore(cats/ferrets) is that an obligate will die relatively quickly if eating vegan, but a facultative carnivore is more resilient--- they won't die, but they'll just survive with a lower quality of life, and health issues will develop over time. Even wolves and coyotes can survive on only plants for whole seasons when game is scarce, but it won't be optimal for their health and they won't have an easy time digesting it. Not only that, dogs have not moved evolutionarily far enough away from wolves to be omnivores --- they are more tolerant facultative carnivores than wolves, but their digestive system has remained very much the same, meaning they thrive on the same optimal diet as their wild cousins --- and studies showing some sort of huge increase in amylase enzyme (for starches) were actually performed on pigs (pigs are true omnivore and can thrive on either end of the spectrum, meat or veg) and applied to dogs without actually testing dogs. Also, most vets that unknowingly push misinformation about dogs being omnivores (which they are not) were educated in schools sponsored by kibble companies, who push the omnivore fib in order to sell kibble that is bulked out by cheap fillers. They don't actually do much education at vet school in the way of dog nutrition, nor do they take an evolutionary biology approach in their schooling when it comes to dog nutrition. :/ I really recommend looking up the "raw feeding veterinary society"!!!
Another amazing video!!! Thank you for your help with my picky guy. Switching to ground solved the picky problem and he happily eats everything now :-)
@Dark Galaxy There are exceptions to every rule.I've lost over ten family members to cancer from smoking and my great grandfather made it to 91 on cigars... He was the one out of 1000 that made it to that old of an age anyways though. Every single omnivore on the planet seems to live way longer when it is fed nothing but a well balanced plant diet, this fact is not exclusive to humans or dogs either...
Great video thanks. Ive been vegetarian for 50 years, I was put off meat at 4 years old, when I learned it came from animal. My pets on the other hand have always eaten fresh meat I cooked myself. My dog recently passed away aged at least 18. Ive just brought a pup home and today he had raw for the first time....and loved it! May I ask what the furry thing on the plate of meat in the video is? cheers
You have been vegetarian for 50 years but kept buying meat-eating pets in that time? Why?? You don't want to eat animals but are okay with lots of animals dying so that one pet you have can live.
@@mchobbit2951 Wrong! Ive NEVER bought a pet. They landed with me from desperate situations over the years. I buy meat, (not dog food), that's been as ethically farmed as possible. I also feed them small game my husband shoots (to feed himself). Ive never bought into the pet food trade, I do my best. So save your sanctimonious lecture. They also have fresh fish. I certainly dont 'keep buying animals!' But Im not gonna turn my back on a stray abandoned dog cos its a carnivore!
@@veilbreak5867 Still no reason to straight up buy meat meant for human consumption. Get roadkill and leftovers from family that eat meat instead of supporting the meat industry then. If you really are vegetarian (I feel like you eat meat, honestly. I somehow doubt that a lifelong vegetarian would marry a hunter of all people), you'd know that THERE IS NO ETHICAL MEAT. You can keep telling yourself that there is to keep the guilt away, but there isn't. Also, why exactly is that one carnivore worth saving and all of the animals you feed it and then have to die aren't? Because it's a dog, right?
This is what comes from decades of putting personal opinion/beliefs on a pedestal above learning about science, specifically biology and evolution in this case. There are other terrible results of that practice as well, so I'm not just picking on vegans here. We MUST learn that fact is more important than feeling...
There are a lot of great books that help you understand the raw diet better, and there are also certified nutritionists that can formulate a meal plan for you. Raw Pets Rule and Perfectly Rawsome are 2 great ones!
Thank you for making this video! It gave me greater insight to grain-free dog food and helped me understand the potential links to DCM. I just finished watching your other video "How to improve your dog's kibble" and realized that I already do 9/10 suggestions! I recently bought a dehydrated raw food for my puppy. The ingredients are pretty simple (white fish, lentils, carrots, apples, sunflower oil, seaweed, apple cider vinegar, pumpkin, cranberries, spinach, calcium, ginger, turmeric, phosphorus, vitamin E) but I am concerned that lentils is the second ingredient listed. What is your opinion?
I know I am not the person you are asking, but if you'd like to read my take on it, here goes. I'm moving an older cat from kibble toward raw, and myself from ignorant trust in the pet food industry to being more aware. I don't like legumes in any form whatsoever in my carnivore's diet, with the exception of I tolerate a small amount of alfalfa or clover, because that's likely to be found in the stomachs of the prey they'd be hunting. But it isn't likely at all that mature lentils, chickpeas, and beans/peas are going to be in there. And as a 2nd ingredient.... Pretty dismaying. But if I get a can that has something in there I didn't realize wasn't great, I forgive myself and go ahead and use it up, while looking for something better. My senior cat is doing better, learning to eat more naturally without having to have artificial attractants sprayed on her food!!! YAY! Her canned food is now completely pea-free and potato free, mostly muscle meat but I'm not scared by some by-products, because those by-products will be things she'd get in the wild. I'd rather have a few meat by-products than any peas/lentils/beans, period. My advice is to use up what you have while you continue to learn and look for something without lentils or any kind of pea. And I think you are great.
I definitely believe that dogs need meat, but finding out about Bramble the 25 year old dog and Guinness record holder being vegan got me curious for sure. Edit that was a old record, Bluey lived to be 29, but still 25 is long by any standard for a dog.
Great video! Very informative👍I feed my 3 yr old shiz tzu home cooked breakfast and raw patties for dinner. She has loose stool towards the end. Wondering if you can provide any tips on that please?
Hi, I wanna ask if a dog is a picky eater what can you do to help? My friend's dog has a serious case of picky eater and caused her dog to vomit more than a few times
I'm trying to go vegan, but I couldn't imagine ever feeding my dogs a vegan diet. Nutritional aspects aside, I just don't think it's fair to force my lifestyle choices on my pets who were designed to eat meat. I put a lot of time into making sure that the meat they do it is ethically sourced. They don't get any beef, chicken, turkey, or pork. These animals are often factory farmed and are the top most killed animals for meat who are most likely to come from a factory farm. Instead, they get lamb (which, here in the UK, over 99% of sheep are kept in pastures year round), free range duck, rabbit*, fish caught from zone 27 in the Atlantic, and venison. *I can't confirm whether or not these are factory farmed, I need to find out with the company I buy from. They've given assurances that all their meat sources meet the 5 welfare needs of animals, though.
Im a vegan and I am learning about a raw diet to put my dog on. Being vegan is my choice and I can be healthy on it but I'm not gonna put my dog on it because he can't be healthy and meet his dietary requirements
I would ask you as a vegan to do more research on this before you decide to feed raw…. Dogs CAN be very healthy and live extremely long lives vegan whilst no other animals have to be tortured and harmed for them.
@@mckenzieeleah I'm not saying a dog would drop dead from being on a raw diet, but most vegan dog food is kibble which is very processed and his cooked at such a high temperature that it kills most of the nutrients. Most of the dogs raw food is from parts of the animals we don't want to eat. Are there many studies of dogs on a vegan diet doing well? No. Is it natural for dogs to eat raw meat and not vegetables? Yes😆😆😆 if it came down to giving my dog a proper nutritional diet I would be willing to shoot something myself. 👍
If you're vegan and you can't stomach feeding your cat meat then get a pet thats an herbivore. Otherwise youre literally putting your preference for cats or dogs over the well being of the animals.
I am personally vegan but I have been considering transitioning my dog to a plant based diet but I don't want them to suffer because of my personal human morals. Dogs are animals that naturally gravitate to eating meat and forcing my human morals on an animal when it could damage their quality of life is something I don't want to do. I love my dog and want the best for her. So until there is more information and support for dogs THRIVING on a vegan diet, personally I don't think I will transition my dog.
Would be great to see a review of big country raw dinners. Question where do you feed some of your raw bones ? E.g my puppy doesn't like to eat the chicken neck off a bowl and I trained her to eat off a mat. Curious to know how you feed some of these chewy items
Okay so i cant do a homemade raw diet for my cat, however i still want the best for him. Do you have any store bought raw food recommendations? I'm also considering feeding my cat a mix of wet and dry food and i was wondering if you had any recommendations for thise as well?
It sounds like something my sister would do. 😶 She's vegan, as is her husband. They've been raising their son vegan since birth. He's nearly 3. I'm just ecstatic he's alive and healthy. But I'm just a puny obligate omnivore. 😐
@@hechss Nope, the organization that said that is bought and paid for by a religious cult that thinks eating meat is a sin. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (or The American Dietetic Association as they are the same organization) wounds founded by Seventh Day Adventists and their position paper does not follow a vegan pregnancy through birth past the infant stage of life. They also do not have any studies on Vitamin K or Carnitine. Additionally all other National diet organizations have the exact opposite stance. Due to the deficiency risks of these diets it’s not recommended for pregnant and lactating women or children.
I think the ONLY time it's acceptable for a dog to be on a vegan diet, is when all other situations have been trialed first and the dog still had issues. It should be the last resource and actually recommended by the dog's vet because other diets aren't working due to allergies or intolerances.
Hi great video. I can't feed raw but want to do the best for my cat he is on a grain free wet food made up of 95% meat or fish but I was wondering is grain free food better than food with grain thanks
This video is saying, I think, that a problem with grain-free is that it often contains legumes, rather than good organ meat. Look for grain-free that is not filled with potatoes, sweet potatoes, tapioca, and legumes like peas and beans. Grain, and legumes, and potatoes, are inappropriate to feed to carnivores. So don't be fooled by cans that trumpet GRAIN-FREE but stick in legumes. Grains and legumes are cheap, so the company is making more money off of the GRAIN-FREE hype when the consumer does not also reject the legumes and potatoes that get stuck in there instead of the grain.
I wish I had found this video earlier. I have found others. Vegan cat owners are adament that their cats are healthy. Most conversations I have about vegan diets for cats, they simply stop responding.
I’ve been wanting to switch my 8 month old kitten to raw food for a while now. If he licks us after eating could any potential bacteria be transferred to us?
I’m a vegan but feed my dog raw food even tho I do feel bad for the animals dogs aren’t meant to be vegan so I want to give my dog his natural diet I would never make my dog vegan
Even though we humans can do fine with a vegan diet, dogs and cats cannot. Vegans should understand that just because they don't need to eat meat, that doesn't mean that their cat can go without meat. If they are not willing to feed their dogs/cats a species appropriate diet, they need to not have carnivorous pets.
The thing abt feeding carnivore animals vegan is not abt the plant protein or whatever it self it’s bc carnivore stomach are not long enough to have the time to digest plant nutriments
People who feed their dogs and cats a very cheap kibble like pedigree feed their pets an almost vegan diet as there's barely any meat in such kibble. It's a good alternative to an overpriced vegan petfood (at least brands like pedigree put enough supplements into their kibble). Also, I think vegan pet food companies have to make studies about what they sell and if it's actually an adequate alternative. Oh, wait, the pet food won't be vegan anymore because they tested it on animals...hmm. I don't eat meat myself, but feeding my dogs and cat corn and soy feels wrong. If lab-grown meat would be available in the future I'd consider trying it.
Dogs are omnivores due to the abundance of amylase enzyme in their gut/intestines to digest and break down starches, and plant matter. They have evolved thousands of years ago and as time goes on the more their genetics will produce amylase.
Can you talk about cat grass? (Wheat grass?) Is it wrong? We've already fed our kittens cat grass. I'm just trying to provide them more variety than wet canned food. And I'm not smart enough to venture into raw feeding, but am binging your channel about it. Peace! ✌️
Cat grass is great! I feed my cat a wet/raw diet but I also grow some cat grass for her. Sometimes, cats would eat a bit of grass to help digestion so I just leave catgrass out all the time. As long as your kitten is still eating meat as the main part of their diet, it's ok.
Animals who drive on vegan diets usually eat homemade and strictly planned meals, just like omni and carnivorous pets can thrive better on homemade mealplan instead of commercial pet food. Few things that I disliked about this video was comparing pets to their ancestors since they have been bred far away from their original ancestry. Cats and ferrets are still closer to their wild cousins while dogs are quite far away from wolves. Another thing is that the vegan foods often have added amino acids and vitamins. So they can have fully the needed amino acids or short amino acid chains that can be formed into longer ones. Also just to point out that while the foods have added vitamins, the vitamins are not naturally found in animals and are fed to them. So a wild animal like a deer would not have the same vitamins as farmed animals since they are fed vitamin rich food in order to provide that vitamin in the meat. Not going for or against pets being vegan just pointing some things out.
I think that if the food you choose to feed your pet does not allow it to have optimum health that it is OK. Vegan food for dogs and cats is not a healthy normal choice for you to feed them.
Too bad many vegans don’t understand that feeding a dog or cat a vegan diet is just a form of animal cruelty. Like we can go vegan cause we have the ability to effectively digest almost every food eat. Pets aren’t people the ideal diet for them is not the same as us.
The 2nd longest lived dog ever was named Bramble, and she was a vegan dog! Her vegan owner had seven dogs - three of them lived to 19-years-old, one lived to 20-years-old, and then Bramble lived to 25-years-old. They were all vegan. 😳 This proves that vegan dogs don't just survive on vegan diets, they thrive!! Also even competitive racing sledding huskies thrive on a vegan diet! A 2009 study by Brown et al. explored vegan diets in dogs that have some of the highest energy needs: sprint-racing huskies. Brown et al. compared the health, and in particular, the haematological parameters (focusing on red blood cell counts) of twelve dogs -- six fed a nutritionally balanced meat-free diet, and the other six a commercial meat-based diet. The study was conducted over a period of 16 weeks, including 10 weeks of competitive racing. "Haematology results for all dogs, irrespective of diet, were within normal range throughout the study and the consulting veterinarian assessed all dogs to be in excellent physical condition." None of the dogs developed anaemia -- on the contrary, red blood cell counts and haemoglobin values increased significantly over time in both groups. Not to mention the world record for vertical 9 ft jump vegan dog. About DCM: according to a statement released by the FDA in June 2019, 560 dogs had potential diet-related DCM. Yes, you read that correctly. Of about 77 million companion dogs in the United States, there have been 560 reported cases of possible diet-related DCM. In other words, cases of diet-related DCM account for between 0.05% and 0.1% of all cases of DCM in the United States. The cases reported to the FDA and used as part of the data included breeds with known predispositions to DCM. This means that even though the cases are being reported as diet-related, some of these dogs are already in extremely high risk groups. Of the 305 dogs whose breeds were listed, 223 (73%) of them were identified as belonging to high-risk breeds (Doberman Pinschers, Great Danes, Golden Retrievers, Cocker Spaniels and Bulldogs). In other words, the cases may not be diet related at all, but in fact may be genetically based! This would result in the appearance that more dogs had diet-related DCM than actually did. The authors of this extensive review article concluded the following: "This exhaustive review of the literature provides support that eliminates the pet food characteristics that have been implicated to have a subjective association with DCM. To determine if DCM can be associated with certain categories of diets would require further prospective studies that remove confounding factors." The authors go even further by calling the FDA’s correlation between these diets and DCM to be “without merit because there is no definitive evidence in the literature.” As the authors point out, DCM in dogs is a “multifactorial medical condition”. There are many possible underlying causes and reasons that a dog will get DCM, ranging from genetic predisposition to infection and metabolism. "For the FDA to draw a causative link between certain ingredients and DCM in dogs is without scientific merit. I, for one, think that the FDA is doing a huge disservice to both dog guardians and dogs, and that they should be ashamed of themselves." DIANA LAVERDURE-DUNETZ, MS As for cats, in a 2021 study, Sarah Dodd and her colleagues at the University of Guelph surveyed 1,325 cat parents about their cats' health. 65% fed their cats a meat-based diet, while 18.2% fed a plant-based diet. The participants who fed their cats a plant-based diet did not report any adverse health outcomes and the results suggested that plant-based cats have comparable longevity to meat-based cats. The existing literature also does not demonstrate evidence of adverse health effects of feeding cats a plant-based diet. For some health conditions, plant-based cats appeared to be even better off -participants reported fewer gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders in their vegan cats than those feeding meat-based diets. Further research is needed to determine the health implications of plant-based diets for cats, but her survey is a promising start. Most health conditions were less common in cats fed a plant-based diet vs a meat based one. Vegan ferrets are definitely more iffy, but it can be done with vegan cat food, such as Ami. It's not nutritionally complete however, because you need more fat and protein. You can increase fat with coconut oil & increase protein with green mush. Andrew Knight, a professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics at the University of Winchester, wrote for Green For Life: “cats, dogs, and indeed all species, have requirements for specific dietary nutrients, not ingredients.” He added: “There is no scientific reason why a diet comprised only of plant, mineral, and synthetically-based ingredients cannot be formulated to meet all of the palatability, nutritional, and bioavailability needs of the species for which they are intended.” Even humans need to take pills for certain vitamin deficiencies, such as vitamin C and vitamin b12. If the animals are living long, disease-free lives, isn't that proof enough that a vegan diet is good for them?
Dogs are omnivores but mainly eat a diet of meat and should not eat a full on vegan pet food. I wonder what the vegans would say to me if I had a pet rabbit and fed it on a meat diet.
Great video! I think there's a difference between home made vegan diet for dogs, I see quite a few raw vegan dogs on ig thrive for years now... One of the oldest living dogs was supposedly vegan. I think the key to the ethical aspect is to not buy meat from factory farms. That overall is the sole reason why eventually all of us humans will have to be vegan or we won't have a planet to live on. For us the vegan diet is absolutely the best, but I think for as long as we keep pets we have to honor their biological needs.
damn, i thought beef was a neutral protein so i got a lot of beef-based things for my doggo. he has a skin allergy that im trying to manage w/ diet. maybe i should try pork instead...
@The Kid Who Likes Cute Things luckily, he does really well on pork! also doing well on duck and he's done lamb before. i think, after much trial and error, we've found that turkey, lamb, pork, duck, and fish work. chicken is also fine for treats. absolutely no beef or venison 😆
Hmm I call BS, some of the OLDEST living dogs EVER have been vegan…. If a vegan diet is so bad for dog then how do you explain that? 🤔 surly all vegan dogs would die prematurely if that were the case. Also dogs can digest carbs 95 times better than wolves, so feeding a dog raw(a diet wolves eat) doesn’t make sense. Dogs have evolved to eat our scraps, meat was a luxury years ago so we often didn’t feed it to dogs, dogs in India have been vegan for a long time as there is often times no meat to feed dog. Personally the way I look at it is…. 1) I am not ‘forcing my dog to be vegan’, Just like with children dogs do not know what is healthy to be eating. We as owners have to make that choice for them, if it were up to my dog he would eat pizza and chocolate if I let him have the ‘choice’ . 2) the life of ALL animals should be taken into account. If my dog can be healthy on a vegan diet (research has PROVEN they can) why on earth would I CHOOSE to feed the bodies of animals who have been tortured and killed in horrific ways! Imagine if it was your beloved dog in that farm having awful things done to them 😢 Anyone who says they “love animals” yet chooses to ignore what is going on in the meat industry are disgusting hypocrites. If you can watch a video of the standard practices and STILL choose to support it….. then I have no words 3) research also shows the amount of toxins that are in human grade meat, let alone animal grade meat. I would rather feed my dog from clean plant based sources then feed him meat with god knows what in it!
YES You're So Correct, There's EVIDENCE For Cats And Dogs Being Able To Live On A Vegan Diet Yet Nazis Throw It Away On Purpose Because They Are Addicted To Meat. PREACH, AMEN.
@@Mamazephis You're Like An Atheist Always Claiming Evidence To Be Either Bullshit, Fallacy Or Anecdotal Because You Actually Have No Argument Whatsoever. Anecdoctal Evidence Is Still Evidence Otherwise Why Do You Believe ANYTHING On The News Until It Goes Against Your Atheism Or Carnism And You Don't Believe It? Vegan Cats And Dogs Are SUCCESSFUL Biology Experiments That Can Live Longer They Are NOT Anecdotal, Carnism Is A Disease And Taurine Is The Cure. Near Death Experiences Are Also NOT Anecdotal Because They Are Educational, They Litterally Learn What Happens In The ENTIRE HOSPITAL When Their Heart Stops.
"dogs can be vegan because there was a vegan dog that lived for a long time". that's a pretty shitty argument. just because that dog was old, doesn't mean it nutritionally thrived. hell, my grandma has outlived her doctors predictions by over 13 years now, and she has a diet of coca-cola, paydays, and cigarettes. is she nutritionally thriving just because she's old? yeah, probably not. you know what else is a shitty argument? "dogs don't need meat because there's toxins in human grade meat". are we forgetting about some serious health concerns that are believed to be caused by plant based material? "i would rather feed my dog clean plant food than meat with god knows what in it", yeah, we know what's in meat. besides, we can say that argument with plant based dog food too. pesticides, worms, parasites, etc. can all be found in your "clean plant based food". and you're calling people hypocritical when you're over here completely disregarding what is biological appropriate to eat for a carnivorous animal solely because of your personal beliefs. well, my friend, that's what you can selfish. let's break it down for you: dogs are facultative carnivores. if you love animals, then you need to face the fact that a calculator carnivore needs animal products in order to nutritionally thrive, period. there's no getting around it. life isn't all cupcakes and rainbows. animals eat each other, and you can't substitute a taurine rich secreting organ for a chunk of seaweed and expect everyone to live happily and healthily.
There's a lot of science behind carnivorous anatomy and why they shouldn't go vegan (which I agree with). But I wonder how much science this channel puts into the human anatomy, to understand our bodies are designed for plants? (Flat teeth, long digestive tracts).
This is an amazing argument! I'm going to write an essay for school about the vegan diet for dogs and how it's not suitable for dogs. And I recently read an article that stated an insect based diet is an completely balanced diet. But that seemed quite questionable to me. Do you know something about the insect based diet? It would really help me out with my essay🙂
@@wesleasmith1491 Of course there are true carnivorous animals in nature, they can prey what they need. But breeding dogs and cat, serving them meat to keep humans company, is insane
@@rebeckaa2854 so we should just eradicate domestic animals all together, just because they require animal products in order to survive/thrive? because that doesn't seem very "vegan" to me
How is feeding a natural food source for these particular species propaganda? Is it because you're so used to feeding your pet human-made pellets? Imagine someone telling you that eating whole foods that human bodies thrive on is propaganda, and you should continue eating cereals that are fortified with nutrients lol.
This is so good! I've been vegan for 7 yrs now but my pup eats raw. While I understand the dilemma of being vegan and owning a carnivore. I would never try to feed my dog/pet something they are not designed to eat.
Same but I'm vegetarian. I believe it would be selfish to make them vegan/vegetarian. It's wrong.
But why are you vegan though, just like your pet's, your natural diet is carnivorous(as in humans should get over 20% of their calories from animal based sources)
You should look into a carnivore or raw carnivore diet, or at least something similar, and I'm not talking about idiots like Shawn Baker but people who actually know about micro nutrients..
I suggest you check out the books:
The fat of the land, by Vilhjalmur Stefansson
and
Nutrition and Physical degradation, by Weston A. Price
Props for not starving your pet though, I respect that, idk how there are so many vegans that feed their cats and dogs plants, it's insane, how dense can one be
THANK YOU! You’re a good vegan!
Same! Vegan myself and raw for my cat!
I have so much respect for vegans who feed their pets raw. You guys are awesome
I never understood why vegans don’t just get an herbivorous pet like a rabbit or a bird. You don’t want your pet to eat meat? Don’t get a carnivore like a dog or a cat🤷🏻♀️
bird do need bug like mealworm and rabbit too
@@doglover-xg1kh i think most people wouldn't have a problem with that tho
@@doglover-xg1kh rabbits doesn't need bugs? They're completely herbivorous. And there's certain bird species that are herbivorous
I mean, can't argue with that!
@@swedishdogs3327 for rabbit they do eat bug but not intentionally some time these bug get into there food like the grass or the plant they eat I should been less vague.
This is an amazing argument, because usually I would just yell at someone that their animals gonna get sick but you calmly put down the facts, and supported them.
That's what I try to do! It's the only way to (maybe) get through to someone on the other side.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 right , she sounds so calm
Yelling never works... As a vegan, I fed my dogs Vdog for about a year, and before changing their diets, I checked with 3 different vets. I had multiple blood tests and was given the good to go. All their allergies were gone, and they thrived for a while... But, the more research I did, the more I learned about their needs. I can tell you from the bottom of my heart as a 10 years+ vegan, most vegans (that have been vegan for more than a few years) do not feel the need to push our morals nor believes to anyone, we respect everyone's right to do what they wish. I love my babies, and I will do right by them, even if that means preparing food that makes me physically ill.. I think after years of not smelling meat in my kitchen, my body was not prepared for the smell😮💨😮💨. But they come first, so here we are learning... 🤓🤓🤓
As someone who has NEVER ate meat in her whole life or brought it into my house, I feed raw to my cat because I know the term biologically appropriate.
Thank you for being a great pet owner and respecting a cats diet. 😊
@@chichirinuriko20 aww thank you! Of course. I care a lot about my cat and want him to live long and healthy life
You're AWESOME
@@PawsofPrey thank you so are you for making these videos!
Thanks for respecting the dietary needs of a carnivorous animal despite being a vegan or vegetarian. :)
Honestly I just don't understand why vegans care so much about herbivores and so little about carnivores, or chose to actively disrespect their nature.
You know....what a great point lol.
It would be a good point if dogs were actually carnivores. They are omnivores.
@@yesbevegan5585 Well cats are carnivores!
@@yesbevegan5585 facultative carnivore
Because some of them simply have a one track mind they think everyone and everything should be like them if you put a bowl of meat and a bowl of potatoes in front of a dog which one are they going to go to
I have no idea why your account isn’t bigger as your quality of content is AMAZING!! I enjoy all your content and it helped me take the plunge into raw feeding and help to educate others hoping to take the jump as well. Thanks for being awesome!!
I'M A VEGAN AND I FEED RAW:
It makes me extremely upset to see some vegans force their diets onto their pets. When you get an pet like a cat, dog, or a ferret - you're signing up for a life of feeding them a biologically appropriate diet. To not provide them with that is ANIMAL CRUELTY which, if your reason behind being vegan is to "save the animals", is extremely hypocritical. If you are a vegan and want a vegan pet, there are options out there for you! Don't make your animal suffer to make yourself feel better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I an disgusted by the vegan pet community. Do better.
I seriously commend all vegan raw feeders, you guys are awesome ╥﹏╥ couldn't agree more
Thanks for not forcing your lifestyle on your pet. I really appreciate it!
I’m vegan and would never force a carnivore to consume a vegan diet. That’s isn’t vegan.
This is a very controversial topic.
But what is more cruel? To feed our pet a “natural” diet, letting dozens of farm animals to be tortured and killed for our whim to have a carnivore pet? Or to try so spare their lives, at the cost of some potential health problems, maybe even premature death?
Many would argue that the health of your pet should be your first priority, but what about all the other innocent beings that dit nothing to have such horrendous lives? I think the solution is to at least try vegan pet food, which in the latest and biggest study proved to be even healthier on many aspects of cats’ health.
bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
This could be because normal pellets are not the natural cats’ diet. They are leftovers of the meat industry.
@The Kid Who Likes Cute Things did you make the switch gradually? If they always eat meat and suddenly his organism finds no more animal protein, he’ll have a hard time producing the compound amino acids. They should learn how to create those from the 9 essential amino acids in plants if the process from 0 to 100% vegan is done during 2 months or so.
Thank you for posting this because it’s actually highly unethical to feed vegan food to cats!
Absolutely!
ThatVeganTeacher needs to watch this video and rethink having her dog Bella on a Vegan diet since 2017... As a vegetarian myself who wants to be vegan for ethical reasons I would never force this onto any of my pets. I want to get a dog in the future, maybe within a year or so and I plan on giving it a raw diet because I know that is most natural and in captivity our pets rely on us to make the best choices for them as they can't.
I hope it reaches her!
When I heard she feeds her dog vegan, I was furious! I hate her so much!!!!😤
“What’s to be vegan” loooool
Thank you so much for this video because I have been wondering about this!
You are so welcome!
I'm a vegetarian but I know what my pets need. I would never hurt them like that. I cooked for my kitty for most of her life once I found out about kibble. She would only eat cooked but she thrived on it. My parents would laugh at the vegetarian cooking up a big pan of meat in the kitchen lol. But I'm willing to give them what they need I may be able to be healthy without meat but they can't.
Ethically sourced carnivore-like diet is far more ethical for both humans and your carnivore pets than any vegan diet...
Absolutely! For humans I believe in a mix of both, but we are a pretty versatile species as far as diet goes.
I have been reading a raw feeding book and talk all about this and how different animals bodies are designed to consume different foods.
What’s the name of the book? :)
@@joohoneypoo4060 It is called Why you Need to Feed your Dog a Raw Food Diet By: Amy Marshall
Very true! Amy is a great resource for me
Taken from a comment I responded to:
1. GI foods - Its a ratio of fiber to supplied carbs, or speed of digestion. Rice and potatoes are staples in the human diet entirely bc of energy density, and in poorer countries, often paired with seriously fibrous foods. This is 101 of how food digestion works.
2. Metabolizing energy - first off, comparing dogs to the set of cats and ferrets which are literal obligate carnivores, and entirely discarding modern biochemistry, totally misses the differences and relative context. No argument to be made because I imagine most people have common sense to understand how a cat is kinda different to a ferret, and dually with dogs.
3. Carnivora. Pandas and Red Pandas are Carnivora. Darwinism is about survival of the *fittest*, not most *fit*. Even in fiction, the premise of idiocrasy which drives home the basic point--fitness precedes mechanistic inference. Group up your datapoints, dogs are clearly not wolves as much as boiler chickens are not jungle fowl. A chihuahua is not a wolf. Common sense. Different story if you have a literal wolf as a pet (which.. surprise surprise hasn't lived for thousands of years alongside humans farming plants).
4. Biological features - Gastric ph of dogs being 1.5-2 (a bit skewed because a beagle can get 4.6) versus humans range of... 1.5-3.5? The science is already out on human digestibility. Why is the point being made so reduced? Then there's consideration of bodily responses and how pH fluctuates depending on the meal!
5. Mispronounced Taurine (and later methionine), ok no big deal. Regurgitate the taurine and amino acid profile thing? C'mon its 2021 as of the video. Biochemistry. Everything literally has a complete amino acid profile in the sense it has all essential proteins (in varying levels)! This has been rehashed in the scientific community over and over, and just keeps popping back up whenever some trendy journalist wants to make a splash that confirms what ppl want to do, even when its contrary to science.
5a. Sigh.. Bioavailability should consider volume and maybe context.. yes? Maybe synthetic vitamins taken when the body isn't primed to eating food probably means it wont produce enzymes that make it suitably more absorbable... the entire problem of synthetic vitamins is the usage as isolated compounds without context dependent micronutrients.. carbohydrates.. wth man i thought this was supposed to be an educational video
6. Dilated cardiomyopathy has been a concern, especially if you are privy to studies like that of those that came from UC Davis concerning a sample of 24 golden retrievers. Specifically to note, "none of these diets were feeding trial tested using Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) procedures". Supplemented Taurine and switched diets and boom 9/11 dogs with heart disease reduced or (mostly) regressed.
7. 7:23 Pls tell me ppl read the study on the screen in the video. As in actually read the whole paragraph and not a sentence that is a good sound bit for the video.
8. 8:26 ok Im done. Anyone who understood the function of antinutrients, and how it's defined, with any scientific rigor, would see how this buzzword is often overused and not well understood (hint: its part of why its still a burgeoning field of scientific research!).
The Evolution of Stomach Acidity and Its Relevance to the Human Microbiome:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519257/#:~:text=Obligate%20scavengers%20(1.3%20%C2%B1%200.08,herbivore%20(6.1%20%C2%B1%200.31)
Taurine deficiency and dilated cardiomyopathy in golden retrievers fed commercial diets:
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209112
P.S. To the video maker, please I urge you to not make low level claims backed up by obviously no expertise. These massively reduced talking points are why people have a distrust and misunderstanding of science.
If they get an adequate nutritional intake then it's fine, there are existing plant based pet feed that derive essential nutrients in a digestable form for them, from plant based ingredients. We have the technological means to make this possible. We shouldn't have domesticated or bred them to begin with though. Veganism isn't a diet, it's an ethical obligation and philosophy.
Amazing your research and technical
Information !!! Thanks !
How will you guarantee that cats aren't constantly contracting Ecola from meat???? Cats bodies don't require urinary infections, do they?
Why is vegan pet food so discouraged while kibble is not. I consider it to be in the same category as extremely processed and synthetically sourced food
agree the amount of meat in most kibble it may as well be vegan
Right, kibble is the worst.
Thank you!!! Dogs are facultative carnivores, cats and ferrets are obligate carnivores
Why feed a vegan diet they can't thrive on? Why lower their quality of life?
(Also dogs have not moved evolutionary far enough away from wolves in their digestive capabilities to be omnivores, they are STILL facultative carnivores)
My fave website is raw feeding veterinary society, that have moved away from kibble sponsored education to take a biology based approach in their veterinary philosophy
Just for curiosity as I have seen new studies and research which dispute this theory. I have not came across any which show any harm to the animals but in some aspects benefiting such as decreases in liver disease while on a vegan diet.
If you're interesting the one i am referring to it is BMC veterinary research.
Thank you, love your videos! I wish there was videos like this for my diet lol
fun fact: the big cats who have been seen eating fruit frequently test for kidney issues when captured for medical check-ups. the theory I've most heard is that the fruits they're eating tend to help kidney problems and the cats are drawn to it because of that, but it's still very much theory.
Well that's interesting. When looking into it I never found any followup. Do you have the sources by chance? I'd love to read about it
@@PawsofPrey I'll get in contact with the zoo vet who had the deets, but I dunno how long it'll take. This comes from a 2012 study, I know that much. Might help to narrow it down. It was primarily seen in Amur Leopards iirc.
But there are many nutrients other than protein like menirals and vitamins.
Yes that's right! I go over all of the bioavailable vitamins and minerals (that dogs and cats need, and that raw diets easily provide) here: th-cam.com/video/xf8Y6E-qOmM/w-d-xo.html
Happy birthday matsu!!! I was just wondering if I feed wheatgrass, does that mean that I don’t have to give any oysters for zinc, mussel for manganese and vitamin e oil? Kinda sounds too good to be true lol. And any wheatgrass brands that u recommend? Loved the video btw!
Raw Vita boost has wheatgrass in it. That is What I feed my dog. It also has chlorella and coconut oil so that is a plus.
Raw vitaboost is great for aiding in zinc, but even the company themselves said the zinc found in the mix may vary, so they don't even market it for filling nutritional gaps, really. As far as wheatgrass powder, I have heard good things about Anthony's Organic
@@PawsofPrey thanks!
Vegans should take a realistic approach and buy from local farmers or butchers, to ensure animals are well treated and healthy. This is already a “best practice” in raw feeding communities. As a lifelong vegetarian (turned pescatarian with a mostly vegan wife) we’re working our raw fed pup gets animals that were treated well. I’ve been getting free-range turkeys, grass-fed humane certified beef, and crate free vegetarian pork, and avoiding chicken (except feet as they are the pups favorite raw bone). But sourcing ethically is important to us, and neither of us would ever have thought to feed vegan kibble. The idea of people actually feeding their dog vegan makes me pissed, I do judge people hard for that one.
there was a study that showed vigorously exercised dogs on a vegan diet vs a meat based diet had damage to their blood. the dogs that are meat didn’t
Very interesting! Do you have a link to this?
Vegan Pet Food? Back in my day we just called it Animal Abuse
Couldn't agree more my friend.
Back in the day? I call it animal abuse NOW.
But what do you call it when animals get killed at a fraction of their lifespan so you can eat them? For you people "animal abuse" only exists when it concerns pets, but not farm animals.
@@mchobbit2951 It's called nature. Been that way for more than 500 million years. Literally just nature. Why are you so against the natural order?
@@ASpinoNamedSpike Nature would be if you went outside and hunted all of your meat. Factory farming is so far removed from nature that it's not even funny. Also "nature" is brutal and humans always act as if they are above other animals. Practice what you preach?
What a wonderful work you did for this video ! Thank you :)
I am vegetarian and planning on going vegan. Here is my breakdown of the pros and cons of vegan dog food:
Cons:
* The potential health issues and deficiencies risks if not a well-planned/vet-formulated vegan dog food.
* The negative perceptions and criticisms from other people.
Pros:
* Enabling vegans to have and rescue dogs without compromising their morals towards other animals.
* The potential health benefits when compared to other diets, such as the conventional kibble/wet food diets, especially cheaper foods.
* The option being there for dogs with meat allergies and other specific dietary requirements that may need a vegan/meat-free diet.
* Saving other animals/compassion for other animals that are also equally important. Where’s the logic in saving and caring for and loving one animal to bits if you’re going to end up contributing to such behemoth suffering, cruelty and slaughter of thousands and thousands of other animals over the lifetime to feed them?
* Dogs can be vegan, even though it isn’t recommended generally, and can actually thrive on a vet-formulated/otherwise nutritionally adequate vegan diet, so why go against your morals and contribute to such cruelty when it is unnecessary?
I think both the raw diet and the vegan diet both have their definite pros for dogs. Ethically and environmentally speaking, vegan dog diets win. Health-wise, the raw diets win.
That being said, one thing that I can agree with the people who are against this on is feeding cats a vegan diet. Dogs are omnivores, even though their diet would naturally consist mainly of meat, however, cats are obligate carnivores and there is so much more risk with feeding a cat a vegan diet.
I just love it! you're amazing!
You are a great girl doing all researchs to enlighten people to take care of their pets,thanks.
Legumes are in grained food, too. Nutro, Purina, etc. They're all over the friggin place. It blows.
YEP :|
I can't believe some people would be so DUMB to try and feed their carnivorous pets a vegetable based diet. If you don't want a pet that eats meat, adopt an herbivore!
THANK YOU! Dogs are carnivores, not omnivores.
Omnivores*
@@alipetuniashow carnivores...
They are omnivores they need 90% meat 10% plants
@@skigstfolglps5398 there carnivores if you watched the video there teeth aren't designed for plant matter and there stomach is a ph1 and there from the order carnivore 😀
@@skigstfolglps5398
Hi! Just some friendly facts ---
Dogs are not omnivores, they are facultative carnivores which have important differences from a true omnivore.
A true omnivorous species has the option to eat zero meat and thrive (humans/pigs, etc.) --- a facultative carnivore will not thrive, removing meat significantly lowers their quality of life over time.
The difference between a facultative carnivore (wolves/coyotes/dingos/dogs) and an obligate carnivore(cats/ferrets) is that an obligate will die relatively quickly if eating vegan, but a facultative carnivore is more resilient--- they won't die, but they'll just survive with a lower quality of life, and health issues will develop over time.
Even wolves and coyotes can survive on only plants for whole seasons when game is scarce, but it won't be optimal for their health and they won't have an easy time digesting it.
Not only that, dogs have not moved evolutionarily far enough away from wolves to be omnivores --- they are more tolerant facultative carnivores than wolves, but their digestive system has remained very much the same, meaning they thrive on the same optimal diet as their wild cousins --- and studies showing some sort of huge increase in amylase enzyme (for starches) were actually performed on pigs (pigs are true omnivore and can thrive on either end of the spectrum, meat or veg) and applied to dogs without actually testing dogs.
Also, most vets that unknowingly push misinformation about dogs being omnivores (which they are not) were educated in schools sponsored by kibble companies, who push the omnivore fib in order to sell kibble that is bulked out by cheap fillers. They don't actually do much education at vet school in the way of dog nutrition, nor do they take an evolutionary biology approach in their schooling when it comes to dog nutrition. :/
I really recommend looking up the "raw feeding veterinary society"!!!
Great video, as always!
Thanks again!
awww a mini schnauzer! best dogs ever! If a vegan wants to only give vegan dog or cat food they shouldnt own a dog period.
Another amazing video!!! Thank you for your help with my picky guy. Switching to ground solved the picky problem and he happily eats everything now :-)
Oh great to hear!
What about that vegan dog that lived to be 25 years old in the UK?...
What about my grandfather who lived to 95 smoking a pack of Marlboros every day?
@Dark Galaxy There are exceptions to every rule.I've lost over ten family members to cancer from smoking and my great grandfather made it to 91 on cigars... He was the one out of 1000 that made it to that old of an age anyways though. Every single omnivore on the planet seems to live way longer when it is fed nothing but a well balanced plant diet, this fact is not exclusive to humans or dogs either...
@@cmichaelwestad52 Why is my grandfather the exception & the vegan dog not?
Great video thanks. Ive been vegetarian for 50 years, I was put off meat at 4 years old, when I learned it came from animal. My pets on the other hand have always eaten fresh meat I cooked myself. My dog recently passed away aged at least 18. Ive just brought a pup home and today he had raw for the first time....and loved it!
May I ask what the furry thing on the plate of meat in the video is? cheers
Looks like a rabbit foot
You have been vegetarian for 50 years but kept buying meat-eating pets in that time? Why?? You don't want to eat animals but are okay with lots of animals dying so that one pet you have can live.
@@mchobbit2951 Wrong! Ive NEVER bought a pet. They landed with me from desperate situations over the years. I buy meat, (not dog food), that's been as ethically farmed as possible. I also feed them small game my husband shoots (to feed himself). Ive never bought into the pet food trade, I do my best. So save your sanctimonious lecture. They also have fresh fish. I certainly dont 'keep buying animals!' But Im not gonna turn my back on a stray abandoned dog cos its a carnivore!
@@veilbreak5867 Still no reason to straight up buy meat meant for human consumption. Get roadkill and leftovers from family that eat meat instead of supporting the meat industry then. If you really are vegetarian (I feel like you eat meat, honestly. I somehow doubt that a lifelong vegetarian would marry a hunter of all people), you'd know that THERE IS NO ETHICAL MEAT. You can keep telling yourself that there is to keep the guilt away, but there isn't.
Also, why exactly is that one carnivore worth saving and all of the animals you feed it and then have to die aren't? Because it's a dog, right?
Can cats eat avocado?
No! Avocado is poisonous dogs, cat, birds etc. Specially birds will die if ingested.
This is what comes from decades of putting personal opinion/beliefs on a pedestal above learning about science, specifically biology and evolution in this case.
There are other terrible results of that practice as well, so I'm not just picking on vegans here.
We MUST learn that fact is more important than feeling...
Exactly, herbivores like us, humans, aren't meant to eat other animals. 3:12
where do you learn all of this information from? did you go to school or did you read some books that I could have access to?!
Hey do you recommend a book that also has some good recipes for the raw food diet of my cat?
There are a lot of great books that help you understand the raw diet better, and there are also certified nutritionists that can formulate a meal plan for you. Raw Pets Rule and Perfectly Rawsome are 2 great ones!
Thank you for making this video! It gave me greater insight to grain-free dog food and helped me understand the potential links to DCM. I just finished watching your other video "How to improve your dog's kibble" and realized that I already do 9/10 suggestions! I recently bought a dehydrated raw food for my puppy. The ingredients are pretty simple (white fish, lentils, carrots, apples, sunflower oil, seaweed, apple cider vinegar, pumpkin, cranberries, spinach, calcium, ginger, turmeric, phosphorus, vitamin E) but I am concerned that lentils is the second ingredient listed. What is your opinion?
I know I am not the person you are asking, but if you'd like to read my take on it, here goes.
I'm moving an older cat from kibble toward raw, and myself from ignorant trust in the pet food industry to being more aware.
I don't like legumes in any form whatsoever in my carnivore's diet, with the exception of I tolerate a small amount of alfalfa or clover, because that's likely to be found in the stomachs of the prey they'd be hunting. But it isn't likely at all that mature lentils, chickpeas, and beans/peas are going to be in there. And as a 2nd ingredient.... Pretty dismaying.
But if I get a can that has something in there I didn't realize wasn't great, I forgive myself and go ahead and use it up, while looking for something better.
My senior cat is doing better, learning to eat more naturally without having to have artificial attractants sprayed on her food!!! YAY! Her canned food is now completely pea-free and potato free, mostly muscle meat but I'm not scared by some by-products, because those by-products will be things she'd get in the wild. I'd rather have a few meat by-products than any peas/lentils/beans, period.
My advice is to use up what you have while you continue to learn and look for something without lentils or any kind of pea. And I think you are great.
I definitely believe that dogs need meat, but finding out about Bramble the 25 year old dog and Guinness record holder being vegan got me curious for sure.
Edit that was a old record, Bluey lived to be 29, but still 25 is long by any standard for a dog.
Great video! Very informative👍I feed my 3 yr old shiz tzu home cooked breakfast and raw patties for dinner. She has loose stool towards the end. Wondering if you can provide any tips on that please?
Would you please tell me about Lungs are they considered muscles or organs?your answer is very important.
Hi, I wanna ask if a dog is a picky eater what can you do to help? My friend's dog has a serious case of picky eater and caused her dog to vomit more than a few times
Great vid!
Thanks!
The best channel 🙌🙌
I'm trying to go vegan, but I couldn't imagine ever feeding my dogs a vegan diet. Nutritional aspects aside, I just don't think it's fair to force my lifestyle choices on my pets who were designed to eat meat. I put a lot of time into making sure that the meat they do it is ethically sourced. They don't get any beef, chicken, turkey, or pork. These animals are often factory farmed and are the top most killed animals for meat who are most likely to come from a factory farm. Instead, they get lamb (which, here in the UK, over 99% of sheep are kept in pastures year round), free range duck, rabbit*, fish caught from zone 27 in the Atlantic, and venison.
*I can't confirm whether or not these are factory farmed, I need to find out with the company I buy from. They've given assurances that all their meat sources meet the 5 welfare needs of animals, though.
Im a vegan and I am learning about a raw diet to put my dog on. Being vegan is my choice and I can be healthy on it but I'm not gonna put my dog on it because he can't be healthy and meet his dietary requirements
I would ask you as a vegan to do more research on this before you decide to feed raw…. Dogs CAN be very healthy and live extremely long lives vegan whilst no other animals have to be tortured and harmed for them.
@@mckenzieeleah I'm not saying a dog would drop dead from being on a raw diet, but most vegan dog food is kibble which is very processed and his cooked at such a high temperature that it kills most of the nutrients. Most of the dogs raw food is from parts of the animals we don't want to eat. Are there many studies of dogs on a vegan diet doing well? No. Is it natural for dogs to eat raw meat and not vegetables? Yes😆😆😆 if it came down to giving my dog a proper nutritional diet I would be willing to shoot something myself. 👍
FANTASTIC video!
If you're vegan and you can't stomach feeding your cat meat then get a pet thats an herbivore. Otherwise youre literally putting your preference for cats or dogs over the well being of the animals.
I am personally vegan but I have been considering transitioning my dog to a plant based diet but I don't want them to suffer because of my personal human morals. Dogs are animals that naturally gravitate to eating meat and forcing my human morals on an animal when it could damage their quality of life is something I don't want to do. I love my dog and want the best for her. So until there is more information and support for dogs THRIVING on a vegan diet, personally I don't think I will transition my dog.
Would be great to see a review of big country raw dinners. Question where do you feed some of your raw bones ? E.g my puppy doesn't like to eat the chicken neck off a bowl and I trained her to eat off a mat. Curious to know how you feed some of these chewy items
Sometimes I hand feed, sometimes I just give it on a mat and let him chew there!
Okay so i cant do a homemade raw diet for my cat, however i still want the best for him. Do you have any store bought raw food recommendations? I'm also considering feeding my cat a mix of wet and dry food and i was wondering if you had any recommendations for thise as well?
A+ Answers is my top pick for a premade raw! For wet, Natures Logic.
I have a relative who went vegan years back and sadly put her dog on a vegan diet as well. ☹️
It sounds like something my sister would do. 😶 She's vegan, as is her husband. They've been raising their son vegan since birth. He's nearly 3. I'm just ecstatic he's alive and healthy.
But I'm just a puny obligate omnivore. 😐
@@sketchur ecstatic? If they plan it properly and don’t give their son just fruits, a vegan diet is healthy in all stages of life.
@@hechss Nope, the organization that said that is bought and paid for by a religious cult that thinks eating meat is a sin.
The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (or The American Dietetic Association as they are the same organization) wounds founded by Seventh Day Adventists and their position paper does not follow a vegan pregnancy through birth past the infant stage of life. They also do not have any studies on Vitamin K or Carnitine.
Additionally all other National diet organizations have the exact opposite stance. Due to the deficiency risks of these diets it’s not recommended for pregnant and lactating women or children.
@@kimmiewise1044 deficiency’s in what?….
I think the ONLY time it's acceptable for a dog to be on a vegan diet, is when all other situations have been trialed first and the dog still had issues. It should be the last resource and actually recommended by the dog's vet because other diets aren't working due to allergies or intolerances.
Hi great video. I can't feed raw but want to do the best for my cat he is on a grain free wet food made up of 95% meat or fish but I was wondering is grain free food better than food with grain thanks
This video is saying, I think, that a problem with grain-free is that it often contains legumes, rather than good organ meat.
Look for grain-free that is not filled with potatoes, sweet potatoes, tapioca, and legumes like peas and beans.
Grain, and legumes, and potatoes, are inappropriate to feed to carnivores. So don't be fooled by cans that trumpet GRAIN-FREE but stick in legumes. Grains and legumes are cheap, so the company is making more money off of the GRAIN-FREE hype when the consumer does not also reject the legumes and potatoes that get stuck in there instead of the grain.
I wish I had found this video earlier. I have found others. Vegan cat owners are adament that their cats are healthy. Most conversations I have about vegan diets for cats, they simply stop responding.
Just another amazing video.
Thanks again!
But there are many people claim that their dogs are in better health after eating fruits and vegetables and they live longer.
My Cats And Dogs Are Vegan And Were Vegan For 18 Years And There's NOTHING You Can Do About It.
Cool I guess?!! Good on you?!!
I’ve been wanting to switch my 8 month old kitten to raw food for a while now. If he licks us after eating could any potential bacteria be transferred to us?
There's always a chance for anything. If your kitty licks you RIGHT after eating maybe just wash it to be safe, never hurts!
@@PawsofPrey I’ll keep that in mind then, love ur channel btw!
my dog sleeps in our bed & is very licky no illness here , though if your immune compromised dont allow licking
I’m a vegan but feed my dog raw food even tho I do feel bad for the animals dogs aren’t meant to be vegan so I want to give my dog his natural diet I would never make my dog vegan
my dog eat raw un coocked swrat ptatto are he in anger pls answer
Even though we humans can do fine with a vegan diet, dogs and cats cannot. Vegans should understand that just because they don't need to eat meat, that doesn't mean that their cat can go without meat. If they are not willing to feed their dogs/cats a species appropriate diet, they need to not have carnivorous pets.
The thing abt feeding carnivore animals vegan is not abt the plant protein or whatever it self it’s bc carnivore stomach are not long enough to have the time to digest plant nutriments
Interesting but my dog is 15 and a 1/2 years old. I've had him his whole life and hes been eating vegan his whole life.
People who feed their dogs and cats a very cheap kibble like pedigree feed their pets an almost vegan diet as there's barely any meat in such kibble. It's a good alternative to an overpriced vegan petfood (at least brands like pedigree put enough supplements into their kibble).
Also, I think vegan pet food companies have to make studies about what they sell and if it's actually an adequate alternative. Oh, wait, the pet food won't be vegan anymore because they tested it on animals...hmm.
I don't eat meat myself, but feeding my dogs and cat corn and soy feels wrong. If lab-grown meat would be available in the future I'd consider trying it.
Yep I sort of mention this too!
Dogs are omnivores due to the abundance of amylase enzyme in their gut/intestines to digest and break down starches, and plant matter. They have evolved thousands of years ago and as time goes on the more their genetics will produce amylase.
Thank you very much excellent video 👍
You are very welcome
This is a very well made video. However I disagree with the ethically sourced bit. You can’t ethically murder someone that didn’t want to die.
Can you talk about cat grass? (Wheat grass?) Is it wrong? We've already fed our kittens cat grass. I'm just trying to provide them more variety than wet canned food. And I'm not smart enough to venture into raw feeding, but am binging your channel about it. Peace! ✌️
Cat grass is great! I feed my cat a wet/raw diet but I also grow some cat grass for her. Sometimes, cats would eat a bit of grass to help digestion so I just leave catgrass out all the time. As long as your kitten is still eating meat as the main part of their diet, it's ok.
The fact you needed to make this video is a worrying sign for the human race.
Animals who drive on vegan diets usually eat homemade and strictly planned meals, just like omni and carnivorous pets can thrive better on homemade mealplan instead of commercial pet food.
Few things that I disliked about this video was comparing pets to their ancestors since they have been bred far away from their original ancestry. Cats and ferrets are still closer to their wild cousins while dogs are quite far away from wolves.
Another thing is that the vegan foods often have added amino acids and vitamins. So they can have fully the needed amino acids or short amino acid chains that can be formed into longer ones.
Also just to point out that while the foods have added vitamins, the vitamins are not naturally found in animals and are fed to them. So a wild animal like a deer would not have the same vitamins as farmed animals since they are fed vitamin rich food in order to provide that vitamin in the meat.
Not going for or against pets being vegan just pointing some things out.
Also I’ve noticed that vegan fed dogs coats looks just... awful like there not silky and shiny and beautiful but there gross and ruff and dry
Hmm strange, my dogs coat actually dog wayyy shinier when he went vegan…
Lol 😂Longest living Dog was 25year vegan
I think that if the food you choose to feed your pet does not allow it to have optimum health that it is OK. Vegan food for dogs and cats is not a healthy normal choice for you to feed them.
Too bad many vegans don’t understand that feeding a dog or cat a vegan diet is just a form of animal cruelty. Like we can go vegan cause we have the ability to effectively digest almost every food eat. Pets aren’t people the ideal diet for them is not the same as us.
If there's anything vegan about carnivores pet food, you should question it.
The 2nd longest lived dog ever was named Bramble, and she was a vegan dog! Her vegan owner had seven dogs - three of them lived to 19-years-old, one lived to 20-years-old, and then Bramble lived to 25-years-old. They were all vegan. 😳 This proves that vegan dogs don't just survive on vegan diets, they thrive!! Also even competitive racing sledding huskies thrive on a vegan diet! A 2009 study by Brown et al. explored vegan diets in dogs that have some of the highest energy needs: sprint-racing huskies. Brown et al. compared the health, and in particular, the haematological parameters (focusing on red blood cell counts) of twelve dogs -- six fed a nutritionally balanced meat-free diet, and the other six a commercial meat-based diet. The study was conducted over a period of 16 weeks, including 10 weeks of competitive racing. "Haematology results for all dogs, irrespective of diet, were within normal range throughout the study and the consulting veterinarian assessed all dogs to be in excellent physical condition." None of the dogs developed anaemia -- on the contrary, red blood cell counts and haemoglobin values increased significantly over time in both groups. Not to mention the world record for vertical 9 ft jump vegan dog.
About DCM: according to a statement released by the FDA in June 2019, 560 dogs had potential diet-related DCM.
Yes, you read that correctly. Of about 77 million companion dogs in the United States, there have been 560 reported cases of possible diet-related DCM. In other words, cases of diet-related DCM account for between 0.05% and 0.1% of all cases of DCM in the United States.
The cases reported to the FDA and used as part of the data included breeds with known predispositions to DCM. This means that even though the cases are being reported as diet-related, some of these dogs are already in extremely high risk groups. Of the 305 dogs whose breeds were listed, 223 (73%) of them were identified as belonging to high-risk breeds (Doberman Pinschers, Great Danes, Golden Retrievers, Cocker Spaniels and Bulldogs). In other words, the cases may not be diet related at all, but in fact may be genetically based! This would result in the appearance that more dogs had diet-related DCM than actually did. The authors of this extensive review article concluded the following:
"This exhaustive review of the literature provides support that eliminates the pet food characteristics that have been implicated to have a subjective association with DCM. To determine if DCM can be associated with certain categories of diets would require further prospective studies that remove confounding factors."
The authors go even further by calling the FDA’s correlation between these diets and DCM to be “without merit because there is no definitive evidence in the literature.”
As the authors point out, DCM in dogs is a “multifactorial medical condition”. There are many possible underlying causes and reasons that a dog will get DCM, ranging from genetic predisposition to infection and metabolism.
"For the FDA to draw a causative link between certain ingredients and DCM in dogs is without scientific merit. I, for one, think that the FDA is doing a huge disservice to both dog guardians and dogs, and that they should be ashamed of themselves."
DIANA LAVERDURE-DUNETZ, MS
As for cats, in a 2021 study, Sarah Dodd and her colleagues at the University of Guelph surveyed 1,325 cat parents about their cats' health. 65% fed their cats a meat-based diet, while 18.2% fed a plant-based diet.
The participants who fed their cats a plant-based diet did not report any adverse health outcomes and the results suggested that plant-based cats have comparable longevity to meat-based cats. The existing literature also does not demonstrate evidence of adverse health effects of feeding cats a plant-based diet. For some health conditions, plant-based cats appeared to be even better off -participants reported fewer gastrointestinal and hepatic disorders in their vegan cats than those feeding meat-based diets. Further research is needed to determine the health implications of plant-based diets for cats, but her survey is a promising start. Most health conditions were less common in cats fed a plant-based diet vs a meat based one.
Vegan ferrets are definitely more iffy, but it can be done with vegan cat food, such as Ami. It's not nutritionally complete however, because you need more fat and protein. You can increase fat with coconut oil & increase protein with green mush.
Andrew Knight, a professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics at the University of Winchester, wrote for Green For Life: “cats, dogs, and indeed all species, have requirements for specific dietary nutrients, not ingredients.”
He added: “There is no scientific reason why a diet comprised only of plant, mineral, and synthetically-based ingredients cannot be formulated to meet all of the palatability, nutritional, and bioavailability needs of the species for which they are intended.”
Even humans need to take pills for certain vitamin deficiencies, such as vitamin C and vitamin b12. If the animals are living long, disease-free lives, isn't that proof enough that a vegan diet is good for them?
Vegans great for me but NOT for my cat 💙
Dogs are omnivores but mainly eat a diet of meat and should not eat a full on vegan pet food. I wonder what the vegans would say to me if I had a pet rabbit and fed it on a meat diet.
I dont need vegan diet I want to know veg dieat thats it ....
Thats great ..couse bird flue is spreading and we can't eat qny birds .......
Great video! I always thought dogs are omnivores like us, but they're carnivores?
My dog is vegan and thriving 😊
Excelente video!
Thanks!
Great video! I think there's a difference between home made vegan diet for dogs, I see quite a few raw vegan dogs on ig thrive for years now... One of the oldest living dogs was supposedly vegan. I think the key to the ethical aspect is to not buy meat from factory farms. That overall is the sole reason why eventually all of us humans will have to be vegan or we won't have a planet to live on. For us the vegan diet is absolutely the best, but I think for as long as we keep pets we have to honor their biological needs.
damn, i thought beef was a neutral protein so i got a lot of beef-based things for my doggo. he has a skin allergy that im trying to manage w/ diet. maybe i should try pork instead...
Hey, I had a similar issue: many dogs I know react bad to pork and beef. We tried lamb, fish or chicken and it worked better for us ☺️
@@selinablue7498 mm yeah i think i just have to keep testing out different proteins for him :///
Worth a shot to switch to other proteins and see!
@The Kid Who Likes Cute Things luckily, he does really well on pork! also doing well on duck and he's done lamb before. i think, after much trial and error, we've found that turkey, lamb, pork, duck, and fish work. chicken is also fine for treats. absolutely no beef or venison 😆
Hmm I call BS, some of the OLDEST living dogs EVER have been vegan…. If a vegan diet is so bad for dog then how do you explain that? 🤔 surly all vegan dogs would die prematurely if that were the case. Also dogs can digest carbs 95 times better than wolves, so feeding a dog raw(a diet wolves eat) doesn’t make sense. Dogs have evolved to eat our scraps, meat was a luxury years ago so we often didn’t feed it to dogs, dogs in India have been vegan for a long time as there is often times no meat to feed dog.
Personally the way I look at it is….
1) I am not ‘forcing my dog to be vegan’, Just like with children dogs do not know what is healthy to be eating. We as owners have to make that choice for them, if it were up to my dog he would eat pizza and chocolate if I let him have the ‘choice’ .
2) the life of ALL animals should be taken into account. If my dog can be healthy on a vegan diet (research has PROVEN they can) why on earth would I CHOOSE to feed the bodies of animals who have been tortured and killed in horrific ways! Imagine if it was your beloved dog in that farm having awful things done to them 😢
Anyone who says they “love animals” yet chooses to ignore what is going on in the meat industry are disgusting hypocrites. If you can watch a video of the standard practices and STILL choose to support it….. then I have no words
3) research also shows the amount of toxins that are in human grade meat, let alone animal grade meat. I would rather feed my dog from clean plant based sources then feed him meat with god knows what in it!
That's anecdotal evidence of it working.
YES You're So Correct, There's EVIDENCE For Cats And Dogs Being Able To Live On A Vegan Diet Yet Nazis Throw It Away On Purpose Because They Are Addicted To Meat. PREACH, AMEN.
@@Mamazephis You're Like An Atheist Always Claiming Evidence To Be Either Bullshit, Fallacy Or Anecdotal Because You Actually Have No Argument Whatsoever.
Anecdoctal Evidence Is Still Evidence Otherwise Why Do You Believe ANYTHING On The News Until It Goes Against Your Atheism Or Carnism And You Don't Believe It?
Vegan Cats And Dogs Are SUCCESSFUL Biology Experiments That Can Live Longer They Are NOT Anecdotal, Carnism Is A Disease And Taurine Is The Cure.
Near Death Experiences Are Also NOT Anecdotal Because They Are Educational, They Litterally Learn What Happens In The ENTIRE HOSPITAL When Their Heart Stops.
"dogs can be vegan because there was a vegan dog that lived for a long time". that's a pretty shitty argument. just because that dog was old, doesn't mean it nutritionally thrived. hell, my grandma has outlived her doctors predictions by over 13 years now, and she has a diet of coca-cola, paydays, and cigarettes. is she nutritionally thriving just because she's old? yeah, probably not. you know what else is a shitty argument? "dogs don't need meat because there's toxins in human grade meat". are we forgetting about some serious health concerns that are believed to be caused by plant based material? "i would rather feed my dog clean plant food than meat with god knows what in it", yeah, we know what's in meat. besides, we can say that argument with plant based dog food too. pesticides, worms, parasites, etc. can all be found in your "clean plant based food". and you're calling people hypocritical when you're over here completely disregarding what is biological appropriate to eat for a carnivorous animal solely because of your personal beliefs. well, my friend, that's what you can selfish. let's break it down for you: dogs are facultative carnivores. if you love animals, then you need to face the fact that a calculator carnivore needs animal products in order to nutritionally thrive, period. there's no getting around it. life isn't all cupcakes and rainbows. animals eat each other, and you can't substitute a taurine rich secreting organ for a chunk of seaweed and expect everyone to live happily and healthily.
That vegan teacher needs to see this and just get a rabbit instead of forcing a vegan diet on her dog.
09:05 That makes no sense, if you aren’t vegan.
There's a lot of science behind carnivorous anatomy and why they shouldn't go vegan (which I agree with). But I wonder how much science this channel puts into the human anatomy, to understand our bodies are designed for plants? (Flat teeth, long digestive tracts).
This is an amazing argument! I'm going to write an essay for school about the vegan diet for dogs and how it's not suitable for dogs. And I recently read an article that stated an insect based diet is an completely balanced diet. But that seemed quite questionable to me. Do you know something about the insect based diet? It would really help me out with my essay🙂
Makes no sense to exploit some animals to feed others
maybe because carnivorous animals exist.
@@wesleasmith1491 Of course there are true carnivorous animals in nature, they can prey what they need. But breeding dogs and cat, serving them meat to keep humans company, is insane
@@rebeckaa2854 so we should just eradicate domestic animals all together, just because they require animal products in order to survive/thrive? because that doesn't seem very "vegan" to me
Not the carnist pet propaganda 💀
How is feeding a natural food source for these particular species propaganda? Is it because you're so used to feeding your pet human-made pellets? Imagine someone telling you that eating whole foods that human bodies thrive on is propaganda, and you should continue eating cereals that are fortified with nutrients lol.
@@PawsofPrey not the carnist pet propaganda response 💀
@@machrider3223 oh no