I love that Colonel Weber asks Louise questions and ACTUALLY LISTENS. It was so refreshing to see a military authority character in a sci-fi film that didn't say, "uhh, in English please??" and didn't just want to blow everything up immediately.
@@darkrogue234 There are certain professions that movies will almost always portray inaccurately. Programmers/hackers, therapists, and CSIs just to name a few...
Yeah. Right. It's not the fictionalized ones from those other movies; it's the "real" ones behind all the peace in the world today. Can't imagine what the world would be like with those fictionalized ones retiring and going to work for the same arms manufacturers that gave them all those 'kickbacks'. God I'm glad we can perceive time as a non-linear function the way the aliens wanted. *Sigh* I love the real life.
"Help me understand" was such an awesome line for that character. He didn't belittle her or trivialize what she was doing. He asked her to explain why it was important.
I think part of the exasperation at first is that he has to explain this to a general, who then has to justify it to the White House. so he's like "give me an answer that I convey that will stick with these people who know nothing about what's happening here."
That was such a good movie. It addressed the real issue of a hypothetical first contact which was how we could communicate. And Amy Adams is a wonderful actress.
@J B First contact between peoples on Earth have always had something in common in order to communicate with. Even the simple act of showing a weapon and disarming yourself can be clearly interpretated between groups of humans. What happens when you don't know what their weapons look like? What happens when you can't tell the difference between a stone and a pocket nuclear device?
"Help me understand." I love Col. Weber's character here. Just because a military type isn't a trained scientist doesn't mean they can't think analytically. He doesn't see the point of Dr Banks' approach, but instead of shutting her down, he asks probing questions. Reminds me of General Mann's relationship with Dr Forester in The War of the Worlds (1953). "Joined magnetically? Is that possible?" "If they do it, it is." One of the touches that gives Arrival its feeling of plausibility, versus movies like Day of the Dead (1985) where the military are just idiots who won't listen to the very scientists that they themselves recruited.
Signs of a competent leader. Had a manager who was like this. She was a sharp as hell but was a piece of work who used threats to get other teams to do work for us, would scrutinize her own team’s work, and was more focused on her team making her look good to her bosses. however, she was interested in the context and understanding a lot of the challenges and roadblocks her team had in their day to day work. She didn’t want to know the complete details of the issues but just wanted to be able to speak intelligently to, and report back to her bosses, what the problem was, when did it start, what was the impact, what are the next steps. Seems pretty basic in retrospect but I’ve met other managers who don’t even care to have that level of info.
Great characterization of someone who wanted, and got, content experts far beyond his knowledge, someone who knows they need room to operate based on evolving conditions, and someone whose first and last conversations before going to sleep are with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and/or the President asking for updates and justifications. "Help me understand" is "I could guess why, but I need you to say it out-loud, so I can repeat it to others that outrank me and want assurances about every step everyone takes."
Uh? A Coronel have and education more extensive that what is required for a bussines master degree, modern military is also extremly technology and scientifically oriented
There's enormous pressure on everyone to answer big questions, but she's making the point they first have to establish that both sides understand *what a question is*. It's got to put him back on his heels when he realizes that he's in a race against time with world paranoia, but his experts are telling him its a marathon when the world wants a 100m dash.
It's also a common screenwriting technique to have a supporting character ask the protagonist to explain something to the audience. The art of screenwriting is to make it appear organic.
This movie wasn't perfect, but as a linguist, I really appreciated how this movie explored the what-ifs of making contact with intelligent beings whose method of communication would involve so many unknowns. The actors also conveyed very well how truly frightening this experience would be.
I'm a speech language pathologist who works with mainly nonspeaking autistic children and had just taken my linguistics class for my masters when this came out. It was so fascinating and relevant to me at the time! I still often feel like Louise attempting to understand a being that has their own thoughts/wills/purpose in a world that does not understand them.
May I ask, which part of the movie could have been better? Finally the movie is based on a Book/Story so the Director has to stick to some parameters of the Book. I feel that the movie requires multiple watches for it to be really understood and enjoyed...
@@viralmody9772 I agree! I watched it for the third time recently, and it was my favourite time. Just like the heptapod's language that opens up Louise's perception, I feel like the movie has its own language that opens my perception up more each time I've watched it.
@Gfm1rFI9J41PfpfA i'm intrigued by your comment. i'm a linguistic student and i get what you mean, but i don't necessarily get *how* you mean. if you were in their position, as a math enthusiast, i presume, what would be your approach? how would the heptapods communicate with you through math?
Apparently the white-board scene was actually an interaction that occurred in the writers room, and it was such a great explanation that they put it in the movie.
Yep, I actually saw that clip a few days ago, of the lead writer talking about this very moment. How someone pointed out how boring the process was, and so he exasperatedly explained how and why it needed to happen, and someone else in the room said, 'Do that! Put that in the script!'
Can... can we toss in the Expanse too? I know it's a show, not movie. But if we're talking about sci-fi realism, it deserves a mention alongside those 3.
Generally I'd agree, although Interstellar took a creative leap by flying the ship into the black hole. Nothing in our known universe would survive that transition.
The fact that they nickname them Abbott and Costello is hilarious because Abbott and Costello's most famous bit was "Who's On First", a gag that centers around miscommunication, specifically about people's names.
This film sparked my interest in linguistics. I've always had a thing for literature, but I'm increasingly realizing that language is actually very complex. It is so embedded in being human that we don't realize this complexity. Recently I started the book 'For the Love of Language: An Introduction to Linguistics', a very nice and intruiging read.
A wonderfully subtle thing at the end: "Costello" is the first to leave after the introductions. -- SPOILER!! -- His partner, Abbott, dies saving Louise and Ian from the rogues' bomb. And because of how the heptapods perceive time, he knew it would happen. For Abbott this was a suicide mission, and he came anyway. And Costello knew he would be going home alone.
Does that really matter? He didn't have a choice. He did it because he always would do it, because if you know all your future actions, free will doesn't exist.
@@demiserofd I don't think the Heptapods knew ALL their future actions but they were very fatalistic: They could see inflection points that either couldn't be avoided, or had to be crossed for other, more important things to happen. The Heptapods needed humanity, and though we didn't know it, we needed them, too. Abbott came knowing he'd die in order to help save his people. What more noble cause than that?
If he *did* go home. When the alien spacecraft dissolve into thin air at the end, maybe they were going home. But maybe it they knew it was a one way trip all along.
His coming was the reason for the suicide at all. If you knew the future in detail, your participation in it, how it came to be, the thing that YOU did that caused it to begin with, what would you do? You'd do you not because it was what the history books said (fate/destiny), and certainly not because you were happy to make history, but simply because that is who and what you are. You couldn't do anything but that. It wasn't even a question of whether or not you did. In the movie, The Fountain, the fellow doesn't know how his dead wife's unfinished written story will come to a conclusion, and she asked him to finish it for her. He has visions of her long after her death, and when he breaks down crying saying he doesn't know how to finish it, she says simply, "You do. You will." She didn't say as a declarative. She said it as an imperative. You DO (a thing now). You WILL (it into existence now). He was the event and the happening all at the same time.
@@ArchTeryx00 Very Well summarised. I think if one was able to perceive time as linear, one would be able to know he/she is going to die at a specific point. How that person dies may not be possible to foresee since a billion variables exist. As you stated, you can see the inflection points in your life time and may chose to continue or avoid.
(SPOILERS) and don't forget the thought provoking subtext: what if you could know the future, know that you would have a beautiful family and a wonderful daughter, knowing she would die young and a marriage that ends in divorce, would you go through with it? Amy's character decided so.
So many aspects of language that each and every one of us take for granted. Sometimes it helps to mull over why they are what they are, what they mean, and how our thought processes mix with them or interpret them.
love this part! Looking back and watching it again you realize it was never about them understanding but the humans understanding, specifically Louise.
@@lightsout475 sure thing buddy: Contact, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Signs and even some others like E.T., War of the Worlds, Independence Day, Marsians Attack, the list goes on. Satisfied? :)
I think he would have loved it, both him and his colleague Philip Morrison, nuclear physicist who was among the first to speculate how first contact communication would have to happen (for Morrison, via long distance radio communication).
@AlanCanon2222 Perhaps he would have made the observation of the organic aliens, I think it would not be very intelligent for a species to have to transport their delicate bodies through outer space, I think that a first contact will have be much more indirect than we think. just seeing how humans depend less and less on physical communication and enter more into the global network as we ourselves do in this platform right now.
@@davepowell7168 Or if you enjoyed Christopher Nolan's _Memento_ then recent memory might only be a few minutes 😜 Seriously though, I have to place this movie up with with _2001 A Space Odyssey_ and _Alien_ as far as originality and "a breath of fresh air" in scifi is concerned.
I was agreeing with her 100%, but I thought the Colonel was going to say "I hear you, but this will take weeks- maybe even months and time we do not have. We need to know what they want, and we need to know NOW". Alas, color me surprised when he actually understood and accepted her answer.
Crazy to think that for the heptapods the sounds, gestures and writing made by humans are as uninteligible as their sounds and circle thingies are to us.
LOVED this movie: My only question (Geology/Planetology nit-picking): How could a home planet with such low gravity have such a Thick atmosphere - without being FAR from its star, and therefore COLD as F.
@@anorthosite Mars lacks a magnetic field to protect it's atmosphere from the sun. There is more to a planet's atmosphere than just its size or how close it is to a star. Mars for example could have a thicker atmosphere if it had a strong magnetic field.
@@luckytenno Venus doesn't either. Just a really high albedo from the sulfuric acid clouds. And maybe active vulcanism to replentish the CO2. But Venus was a greenhouse runaway, and so might not be representative. The point I was trying to make was that the Heptapod habitat had VERY low gravity, something you might see on a large planetoid like Ceres (or larger, since Ceres has only 0.029 g). Sorry I was not more specific. (I'm a geologist, btw)
I think the saddest part about communicating with aliens would be the fact that since we don't share the same brains, even if we humans came to know how their language works, we wouldn't be able to naturally understand it like how we can understand human language. Perceiving and decoding an alien language would probably be like doing a complicated math equation, you could figure it out but it would take time and not be processed instantly or naturally (hope I'm explaining this well enough) Like if I hear the sentence "Hello how are you?" I know what it means pretty much instantly and can respond instantly, if an alien asked me the same thing, I'd have to decipher it which would take time and then take time to think up a response in their language, no matter how much I grasped how their language works.
"Hey Albert, how do you want to do this first contact?" "Let's do the usual awe inspiring jawdrop intro complete with dramatic smoke with ominous, distant views." "Ah, a number 4 job. You'd think with the plethora of radiowaves leaking from this planet, we'd land with all the language business sorted out." "Well, good thing you're not a screenwriter, Alice. Now let me do my 'it's not Us, is it a God' thing."
While this scene is great, one thing i think they missed is the potential of human communication with each other being misinterpreted as communication with the heptapods Anything the humans say to each other should be done facing each other, not facing the heptapods, which might think that they're being addressed when theyre not, thus muddying the waters of communication. We rely on the volume and tone of our voices to understand when and how we're being addressed: the heptapods might not have perceptions of volume or tone, given they appear to communicate visually
The direction of your thinking is right, but since we *are* apes that would be easier. Abbott and Costello here are part of a lineage that is all alien, right from the beginning. Although their hands make me think of Echinodermata (starfish, sea stars) with no skeleton and movement generated by pumping fluids around.
One of my favourite movies EVER ❤ I don’t know if there’s such a thing as a field of study ‘how to communicate with aliens’/ ‘alienthropology’ but it would have been the dream job for me (not that I would have been any good at it 😂). One thing that is fundamentally wrong here is the (almost) inescapable anthropocentrism. Humans have to put on pause what you think and try to empathise with the aliens, understand first HOW they ‘think’ (which might be very different from what humans call ‘thinking’), not (just) WHAT they think. With aliens who have physical bodies is easier because you have an excellent starting point- you be fairly certain that there’s some embodied cognition there, at least in part. (From a defence perspective, also, is good news, because what is embodied can be physically neutralised or destroyed if they are a threat). Anyway. She/ the other scientists in the film could/ should have started by identifying salient information such as- Embodiment. What are their bodies like- number of limbs, shape, possible function within the system of one individual, patterns of movement, correlation between movements and sounds, how they move in their environment (float, walk, fly, crawl, combination thereof). Effort? Discomfort? Etc. More than one individual. Is there a pattern of interaction amongst them? Social structure? Is there a boss or hive behaviour? Do they synchronise or have individual autonomy? Do they touch each other? Do they have a personal space? Etc. In terms of cognition as such…it’s the most difficult bit because any alien form would operate with different building blocks than human ones. They can be cognitively super intelligent without reasoning; some may be able and willing to dumb themselves down to communicate (like making those patterns in the movie), others may not (if not, why? Is there intentionality? The intentionality is most difficult to assess, first of all because they might not have ‘volition’ and ‘intentionality’ as we understand it. Last, but not least, do they experience something similar to human emotion? Do they have sensory receptors? I guess any embodied creature is able to feel threatened. Given that they are likely technologically superior, it’s not a very good idea for humans to be paranoid, even try to be manipulative (and everything else that makes them their usual awful selves) because these will apriori structure the parameters of interaction. So, any aliens will EITHER withdraw not wanting to have anything to do with such primitive species OR will retaliate because they will think that aggression is the only form of interaction intelligible for humans. Of course, if they are benevolent. If they are hostile, I’d still say that a intelligent-soft approach is recommended; they would most certainly be technologically superior, so humankind flexing its weak muscle will achieve nothing, really. I truly hope that there are intelligent and empathetic people who study these things and prepare humankind for contact with alien species, free from interference from Generals Trigger Happy with IQs of minus 140, ugly character, crap temperament, and proud of their chests covered in blood medals. We should not use any AI trying to understand aliens. It will do more harm than good because it will give unusable data or, worse, throw scientists off- course with false readings(it will never be able to correctly and usefully extrapolate because it is as biased and limited as the available information input and the inherent operating human biases). And it cannot really empathise. Investing in developing human minds through natural means is the very best. I’m pessimistic about humankind’s odds of survival. Heck, it doesn’t need any aliens to wipe them out, humans have excelled at doing that themselves. *I should write a sci-fi book, I know 😄*
The formulas on the whiteboard make no sense: There's the formula for an integral going through some kind of energy-potential to calculate the total action of the field, except they don't finish the calculation. They are playing around with bits and pieces of quantum-mechanics but, again, there is no actual calculation of something. And there's the formula for entropy, except, again, they don't use it to calculate something. The formula for entropy makes the most sense, because they could be using information-theory to analyze the alien language... but they are also using the same white-board for at minimum 3 other topics that have NOTHING to do with linguistics or code-breaking.
I know it's somehow moot point, because winning awards doesn't mean to be an better actor than your fellow nominees. That said, it's a shame that Amy Adams hasn't yet won an Oscar, because she is simply brlliant in ANY movie she's ever been in. Be it Junebug, Enchanted, Sunshine Cleaning, Arrival or whatever. Again, very time she was nominated and someone else won, this someone else did a brilliant performance and also deserved the win. But it bugs me, that she has been nominated like 6 times(IIRC) and has never won.
What is that white board. There's General Mechanics top middle with some Maxwells equations, from Electromagnetism. There's some matrix derivatives near the bottom? (Relativistic Particle Physics maybe??) There's just the words 'Buoyancy' and 'Gravitation' just written with little context around it. Some wave function and probability equations near the middle, some function describing an integral on the far left, and volume calculations near it? Nobody does their work like this. It's like a giant stroke.
They probably added them for effect. The audience does not immediately pay attention to it. Similar to how they added a bunch of impossible chemical structures on a chalkboard in Breaking Bad such as a hydrogen bonded to 6 carbons.
See the thing about Aliens (1986) that I loved the most was that breaking protocol is what brought the danger to the entire crew. And the character that insisted they don't break it, is the person who survived.
A good, test run, us humans should do is on that hostile tribe on the island. Just learning their language, no interacting so we don't make them sick with our germs. But helping us try to understand a near foreign language.
Those mus their names! Uhuh ... or maybe ... Man - Woman Husband - Wife Translator - Soldier Leader - Subject Father - Son Older brother - younger brother In favor of war - debating peace Or an actual question or sentence ...
Can someone convince the same director to make Arrival-2 ? I would love to see what happens 3000 years after this event where humans will help the HeptaPods.. Maybe we visit their home-world with some form of knowledge or technology that they would need to survive ? ARRIVAL- 2 PLEASE !!!
I'd say step one would be to get Ted Chiang to write a sequel to the first story, since this is an adaptation of a literary work, otherwise agree. Maybe turn it around so we're the ones who know what's going to happen, that it will be hard, and do it anyway.
The bird is like the canary in the coal mine. Being unprotected, it would be the first creature to succumb to dangerous conditions, like lack of oxygen. Just my guess.
Because written language is nothing more than code, and the resolution to its formulas are communication of human real world intentions. They could had used binary or music - both languages with other intents, one transports human emotions, one is machine code. english grammar and its number of symbols are a fairly simple human language, hence we use it worldwide.
While I realise what she says is more for the audience. It always bothered me that teaching basic words first came into question at all. Anyone learning a second langauge knows you begin with basic short sentences, the kind of thing children do. And that's knowing how the language is structured. So of course you're going to use these same basic ideas when approaching a different species who you know nothing about.
It's a great movie but the only pickle is that when someone indeed need to talk to Aliens they'd use a psychic. There is no language in the universe. That's just human translation. All beings talk to each other in silence through light and vibration.
‘Psychic’? No. A psychic would at best feel their intention but wouldn’t be able to give any other information. Most importantly, any information obtained via a psychic would be highly unreliable because the aliens might purposefully give false readings (there are two openings at the ends of a channel, you know 😄) like a counterintelligence type of thing, and even fry the reader’s brain. Yes, humans could try and triangulate info via observation of behaviour in controlled behaviour tests, but what kind of message about human species would that give to an alien, anyway? Fucking monkeys prying. Deceitful. Primitives not to be trusted. Definitely to be avoided (or destroyed, if aliens were ill- intended). FFS 🙄
Would I be correct in assuming that perception of time varies with the intensity of ambient gravity ? Meaning, if Earth was somehow much closer to the sun ( without getting burnt ) or closer to a Star much larger than the sun we would perceive time differently ? My question is based on the understanding that the closer you get to a black hole, the slower the time passes in comparison to earth?
While that effect does exist, it is much too small to be perceptible by humans in any gravity field we could survive in, even at the surface of the sun if we could somehow get that close. And even if we could somehow perceive it, it is only a difference in the speed of time, not doing things out of order like the Arrival movie shows.
Agree with @brianorca. Yes there's a scientifically predictable, and probably measurable, difference, but unless you're really close to a black hole, it's a "not so you'd notice" issue. The two real world examples I can think of are Mercury's orbital precession, which was part of the experimental data that led to General Relativity, and the still-communicating Voyager probes which have escaped (or are guaranteed to escape) the Sun's gravity well. In the case of Mercury, the effect was pretty subtle. In the case of Voyager, there's a plain old Doppler shift in radio frequency, but that's mostly down to Earth's motion back and forth (from Voyagers' POV) around the sun, and it's easy to compensate for. Nothing like a "seconds equal centuries" difference. I remember looking up this sort of thing when The Expanse aired with its Ring Gate: would time be different to someone orbiting a more massive star, or closer? The answer is yes, but not significantly.
If I understand correctly: Earth-orbiting GPS satellite readings need Relativistic corrections for 1) Distance from Earth (lower gravity, so satellite clock Speeds Up a tiny bit) and 2) Orbital Velocity (satellite clock Slows Down a tiny bit).
I guess perception of time varies depending on the physical environment, but more importantly on inner psychological environment, and most importantly on the cognitive architecture. What happens with time (and space) for example around and in black holes, will forever remain incomprehensible for human mind because there’s only that much one could stretch the rubber band of mind before it snaps. One could play with mathematical models but they’ll forever be just more or less coherent speculative arguments. Time is, ultimately, how embodied creatures organise primarily external stimuli. Kant was right- time is a category of thinking.
I remember this scene. They hired a language person, but then didn't want to do anything the language person said to do. So why hire a language person? Probably so the writers could show off their ideas about how communicating with aliens would work. You always gotta have the dummy asking questions for the audience.
Alien to Louise: "hey hey hey young lady! we've got some synthetics in our hosehold, cleaning staff, nothing special, hard workers, it's funny though you mentioned it but, there names are all Joe?!" Huh?!
I thought this was a fantastic movie right up until they went with that dumb temporal effect aspect (unnecessarily weird) and and psycho soldier (just plain tired and overdone). First half or 2/3rds is very much the 10/10 movie everyone says it is, but the last part just lost me like a M. Shylaman ending.
A mixed movie. Star Trek got Contact right: machine learning and machine translation. The movie sidestepped this by creating a language the learning of which would have time travel effects, an intrinsic or bioengineered quality of the heptapods, which nonetheless could be learned by a non-heptapod sentient organic. The only real question for me was not whether the language reshaped the good doctor's cognitive and metaphysical abilities, the latter of which at least is impossible to the extent depicted, but whether they bioengineered her brain during the visits so that she was better adapted to do so. A secondary interesting issue was the extent to which the US director showed the US 'solution' beat out rival philosophical systems' approaches,.
I have not seen the Star Trek version of first contact that you’re referring to. In Arrival, however, the nature of the heptapod language and its unique effects can, in the wrong hands, be used a weapon. If the language was simply machine translated for us, then what would stop us from ending one another from the get-go? Also, and this is going to sound like a cop out but, knowing that the heptapods can see time in its entirety, wouldn't they have only been following the path that would yield the results that they were aiming for regardless of the loss of one of their own? Correct me if I missed something.
I think you're wrong about the "american solution" being right as the chinese general she persuades at the end is graceful and accepting, he is not defeated as an antagonist but knows the correct thing to do when he is convinced.
@@itspaddyd I think the obvious explanation there is that the heptapods engineered an outcome - which the Chinese certainly participated in but which is 'owned' by the US certainly in that the US was lead here and the UN is based on individual freedoms - that reflects their own morality, especially as they hope a human society patterned by this Contact will save them in the future. In other words, applying cosmic sociology, we can tell that the heptapods are democratic cosmopolitans, not Marxist-Leninists, Maoists, etc. BTW, in Star Trek, First Contact, the Vulcans speak English, via machine interpretation.
I loved this movie but I’m really tired of the “grizzled military man butting heads with the scientist” trope. This movie does it a bit better but his disbelief in her process does seem a bit unrealistic
I love this movie ....and Denis villenuve is a Crackhead! also the Sound , and OST by Johan Johansson is beyond this world literally.. ntm Amy Adams is a Top actress... and so is Hawkeye. the casting is top notch. the VFX team and all the background artists did a wonderful job!
interesting the aliens are very octopi ish. Octopi are the aliens on planet earth. Please don't eat one, And I noticed the appendage resembled a starfish. Interesting but not original. Could the symbols in "ink" also denote gender as well as personal "names"?
I get that forest's character is the audience stand in so that stuff can be explained. But my god he is dumb. For some reason he thinks you can translate an Alien language in about 5 mins.
I love that Colonel Weber asks Louise questions and ACTUALLY LISTENS. It was so refreshing to see a military authority character in a sci-fi film that didn't say, "uhh, in English please??" and didn't just want to blow everything up immediately.
Acting as real senior military officer would, rather than the fictionalised ones we see in most movies.
@@darkrogue234 There are certain professions that movies will almost always portray inaccurately. Programmers/hackers, therapists, and CSIs just to name a few...
Yeah. Right. It's not the fictionalized ones from those other movies; it's the "real" ones behind all the peace in the world today. Can't imagine what the world would be like with those fictionalized ones retiring and going to work for the same arms manufacturers that gave them all those 'kickbacks'. God I'm glad we can perceive time as a non-linear function the way the aliens wanted. *Sigh* I love the real life.
You see, they solved that by hiring a linguist
@@menethil2670 We live in the most peacefull times in history, don`t be so ignorant
"Help me understand" was such an awesome line for that character. He didn't belittle her or trivialize what she was doing. He asked her to explain why it was important.
I think part of the exasperation at first is that he has to explain this to a general, who then has to justify it to the White House. so he's like "give me an answer that I convey that will stick with these people who know nothing about what's happening here."
But still giving orders, using the imperative instead of the interrogative form. Because he's ranked military.
That was such a good movie. It addressed the real issue of a hypothetical first contact which was how we could communicate. And Amy Adams is a wonderful actress.
Except the rogue Soldiers didn't finish the job.
@J B First contact between peoples on Earth have always had something in common in order to communicate with. Even the simple act of showing a weapon and disarming yourself can be clearly interpretated between groups of humans. What happens when you don't know what their weapons look like? What happens when you can't tell the difference between a stone and a pocket nuclear device?
Don't forget. Amy is my Girlfriend! And Paul Rudd is my Wife's Boyfriend.
@@codeslinger2 what are you referring to?
@@nicku.9470 probably ancient aliens theory
I was so engrossed in the scene that it was a complete shock to me when it stopped. I think that's an indication of how well this was done.
The abrupt cut to the subscribe thing was a bit jarring for sure.
Now I gotta re-watch the movie, its pretty dang good.
Hahahaha same
@@corndogrequiem1728 same same :-)
Despite the moving getting a lot hate, especially from those who've read the book. I genuinely liked this movie!
"Help me understand." I love Col. Weber's character here. Just because a military type isn't a trained scientist doesn't mean they can't think analytically. He doesn't see the point of Dr Banks' approach, but instead of shutting her down, he asks probing questions. Reminds me of General Mann's relationship with Dr Forester in The War of the Worlds (1953). "Joined magnetically? Is that possible?" "If they do it, it is." One of the touches that gives Arrival its feeling of plausibility, versus movies like Day of the Dead (1985) where the military are just idiots who won't listen to the very scientists that they themselves recruited.
Signs of a competent leader. Had a manager who was like this.
She was a sharp as hell but was a piece of work who used threats to get other teams to do work for us, would scrutinize her own team’s work, and was more focused on her team making her look good to her bosses.
however, she was interested in the context and understanding a lot of the challenges and roadblocks her team had in their day to day work.
She didn’t want to know the complete details of the issues but just wanted to be able to speak intelligently to, and report back to her bosses, what the problem was, when did it start, what was the impact, what are the next steps.
Seems pretty basic in retrospect but I’ve met other managers who don’t even care to have that level of info.
Great characterization of someone who wanted, and got, content experts far beyond his knowledge, someone who knows they need room to operate based on evolving conditions, and someone whose first and last conversations before going to sleep are with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and/or the President asking for updates and justifications. "Help me understand" is "I could guess why, but I need you to say it out-loud, so I can repeat it to others that outrank me and want assurances about every step everyone takes."
Uh? A Coronel have and education more extensive that what is required for a bussines master degree, modern military is also extremly technology and scientifically oriented
There's enormous pressure on everyone to answer big questions, but she's making the point they first have to establish that both sides understand *what a question is*. It's got to put him back on his heels when he realizes that he's in a race against time with world paranoia, but his experts are telling him its a marathon when the world wants a 100m dash.
It's also a common screenwriting technique to have a supporting character ask the protagonist to explain something to the audience. The art of screenwriting is to make it appear organic.
This movie wasn't perfect, but as a linguist, I really appreciated how this movie explored the what-ifs of making contact with intelligent beings whose method of communication would involve so many unknowns. The actors also conveyed very well how truly frightening this experience would be.
I'm a speech language pathologist who works with mainly nonspeaking autistic children and had just taken my linguistics class for my masters when this came out. It was so fascinating and relevant to me at the time! I still often feel like Louise attempting to understand a being that has their own thoughts/wills/purpose in a world that does not understand them.
May I ask, which part of the movie could have been better? Finally the movie is based on a Book/Story so the Director has to stick to some parameters of the Book.
I feel that the movie requires multiple watches for it to be really understood and enjoyed...
One of the best movies to come out in years…And the topic is not about aliens.
@@viralmody9772 I agree! I watched it for the third time recently, and it was my favourite time. Just like the heptapod's language that opens up Louise's perception, I feel like the movie has its own language that opens my perception up more each time I've watched it.
@Gfm1rFI9J41PfpfA i'm intrigued by your comment. i'm a linguistic student and i get what you mean, but i don't necessarily get *how* you mean. if you were in their position, as a math enthusiast, i presume, what would be your approach? how would the heptapods communicate with you through math?
Apparently the white-board scene was actually an interaction that occurred in the writers room, and it was such a great explanation that they put it in the movie.
Yep, I actually saw that clip a few days ago, of the lead writer talking about this very moment. How someone pointed out how boring the process was, and so he exasperatedly explained how and why it needed to happen, and someone else in the room said, 'Do that! Put that in the script!'
@@scolkereybelwow! Could you please share the original video here? Thanks in advance.
@@akashprasanna525no.i don't think I will.
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Slow paced, cerebral, quiet.
Captivating, astoundingly smart, and brilliantly told.
Arrival, The Martian and Interstellar really capture a sense of "realness" with their science fiction
Thank you for saying this, I thought I was the only one thinking this.
Three of my favourite movies.
Can... can we toss in the Expanse too? I know it's a show, not movie. But if we're talking about sci-fi realism, it deserves a mention alongside those 3.
Generally I'd agree, although Interstellar took a creative leap by flying the ship into the black hole. Nothing in our known universe would survive that transition.
imho also the moon and ad astra are really good ones
The fact that they nickname them Abbott and Costello is hilarious because Abbott and Costello's most famous bit was "Who's On First", a gag that centers around miscommunication, specifically about people's names.
Insights appreciated
Who's on first, What's on second, I don't know is on third.
Yes! I wonder how many people got that ? Cuz they’re from most of our parents and grands time
This film sparked my interest in linguistics. I've always had a thing for literature, but I'm increasingly realizing that language is actually very complex. It is so embedded in being human that we don't realize this complexity. Recently I started the book 'For the Love of Language: An Introduction to Linguistics', a very nice and intruiging read.
It's not rocket surgery
one of the best scifi movies i've seen. not space opera, not scfi action
fantastic story and cast
It's also why I tend to stick to Space Operas... it's usually less emotionally shattering.
That "proper introduction" gave me some serious goosebumps!
A wonderfully subtle thing at the end: "Costello" is the first to leave after the introductions.
-- SPOILER!! --
His partner, Abbott, dies saving Louise and Ian from the rogues' bomb.
And because of how the heptapods perceive time, he knew it would happen. For Abbott this was a suicide mission, and he came anyway. And Costello knew he would be going home alone.
Does that really matter? He didn't have a choice. He did it because he always would do it, because if you know all your future actions, free will doesn't exist.
@@demiserofd I don't think the Heptapods knew ALL their future actions but they were very fatalistic: They could see inflection points that either couldn't be avoided, or had to be crossed for other, more important things to happen.
The Heptapods needed humanity, and though we didn't know it, we needed them, too. Abbott came knowing he'd die in order to help save his people. What more noble cause than that?
If he *did* go home. When the alien spacecraft dissolve into thin air at the end, maybe they were going home. But maybe it they knew it was a one way trip all along.
His coming was the reason for the suicide at all. If you knew the future in detail, your participation in it, how it came to be, the thing that YOU did that caused it to begin with, what would you do? You'd do you not because it was what the history books said (fate/destiny), and certainly not because you were happy to make history, but simply because that is who and what you are. You couldn't do anything but that. It wasn't even a question of whether or not you did.
In the movie, The Fountain, the fellow doesn't know how his dead wife's unfinished written story will come to a conclusion, and she asked him to finish it for her. He has visions of her long after her death, and when he breaks down crying saying he doesn't know how to finish it, she says simply, "You do. You will."
She didn't say as a declarative. She said it as an imperative. You DO (a thing now). You WILL (it into existence now). He was the event and the happening all at the same time.
@@ArchTeryx00 Very Well summarised. I think if one was able to perceive time as linear, one would be able to know he/she is going to die at a specific point. How that person dies may not be possible to foresee since a billion variables exist. As you stated, you can see the inflection points in your life time and may chose to continue or avoid.
This is one of my favourite movies. Space , time , and evaluation.
It is the reason director got Dune
@@timtruth7394 Denis Villeneuve is one of the pride of Quebec, such a good director.
(SPOILERS) and don't forget the thought provoking subtext: what if you could know the future, know that you would have a beautiful family and a wonderful daughter, knowing she would die young and a marriage that ends in divorce, would you go through with it? Amy's character decided so.
So many aspects of language that each and every one of us take for granted.
Sometimes it helps to mull over why they are what they are, what they mean, and how our thought processes mix with them or interpret them.
Linguistics is the coolest field.
Aaah, I was waiting for this comment! This is the essence of the scene, even the movie perhaps..,
This movie was painfully overlooked. Amy Adams was great.
this is one of the greatest movies of all time
BRILLIANT movie. Its a real tragedy it didnt win more awards
Amy Adams sells the movie plot completely. Her performance is the movie. No need for an oscar, she is way above that.
love this part! Looking back and watching it again you realize it was never about them understanding but the humans understanding, specifically Louise.
Arrival and interstellar...great movies that just break me every time
Scenarios/movies/scenes like this are delightful to the brain.
I need to watch this movie again. So good
For me the best movie about first contact ever.
can you name 3 more movies with first contact?
@@lightsout475 sure thing buddy: Contact, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Signs and even some others like E.T., War of the Worlds, Independence Day, Marsians Attack, the list goes on. Satisfied? :)
@@jonsson666 Yes Sir! ;)
Top tier sci fi movie.
One of very few best, imho.
The pictures, the plot, Amy, Forest, Jeremy, this was a fantastic movie in every aspects. All Hail Denis ;)
Doctor: Takes suit off.
Aliens: "Nice".
Alien..I hate difficult to open stacks
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*Doctor takes her suit off*
*Aliens* ‘Now you’re talking’.
Fuck, I forgot how *absolutely incredible* this movie is! Guess I know what I'm doing tonight...
I watched this movie only once and it was really fantastic. Recommended for everybody
Smart movie. Unpredictable. Octopus aliens. I wonder what Carl Sagan would say about the movie.
Heptapus aliens.
I think he would have loved it, both him and his colleague Philip Morrison, nuclear physicist who was among the first to speculate how first contact communication would have to happen (for Morrison, via long distance radio communication).
According to The Urantia Book, all "intelligent" lifeforms are humanoid, even those that live on gaseous planets...
@AlanCanon2222
Perhaps he would have made the observation of the organic aliens, I think it would not be very intelligent for a species to have to transport their delicate bodies through outer space, I think that a first contact will have be much more indirect than we think. just seeing how humans depend less and less on physical communication and enter more into the global network as we ourselves do in this platform right now.
I love this movie. I loved it more the second and third time I watched it. I understood it better.
I've watched this scene several times since Arrival played in theaters. Sad.
This might be the selling point for me to convince my wife to watch this! Amazing!
Not a great detail, but that incessant bird caw in the background makes the scene even more eerie.
This scene is unbelivable
As I recall there's a memory scene with a guy that is the heart of the whole story toward the end.
Endless blue by wen Spencer was a really good example of this. Ideas and habits that we think are universal, really aren't. They are just so far.
I love movies with nerdy dialogue.
Amy is very good in every movie.
this movie is so good
The standout best scifi movie of recent memory
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'In recent memory' is purely subjective and could mean 8years to hours. I agree it is a superb film
@@davepowell7168 Or if you enjoyed Christopher Nolan's _Memento_ then recent memory might only be a few minutes 😜
Seriously though, I have to place this movie up with with _2001 A Space Odyssey_ and _Alien_ as far as originality and "a breath of fresh air" in scifi is concerned.
@@modolief Suggestions appreciated
Hope Jeremy Renner is doing better these days.
This was such a good movie. I dont know why this was not called as an Amy Adams movie.
A great movie where its not about aliens being silly invaders who want our water or something dopey like that
I was agreeing with her 100%, but I thought the Colonel was going to say "I hear you, but this will take weeks- maybe even months and time we do not have. We need to know what they want, and we need to know NOW". Alas, color me surprised when he actually understood and accepted her answer.
🤣 "I was thinking Abbott and Costello" 🤣
I like how the movie portrays that not everything is a zero sum game.
Crazy to think that for the heptapods the sounds, gestures and writing made by humans are as uninteligible as their sounds and circle thingies are to us.
Louise: "what is YOUR purpose"
Aliens: *you're
Louise: -_-
You are a genius 😃 Thanks, it made my day.
LOVED this movie:
My only question (Geology/Planetology nit-picking):
How could a home planet with such low gravity have such a Thick atmosphere - without being FAR from its star, and therefore COLD as F.
Venus has lower gravity than earth, thicker atmosphere, and is closer to the sun.
@@luckytenno Yeah but close to Earth's mass/gravity. Mars has far less. OTOH Titan's atmosphere is anomalously thick for a moon-sized body.
@@anorthosite Mars lacks a magnetic field to protect it's atmosphere from the sun. There is more to a planet's atmosphere than just its size or how close it is to a star. Mars for example could have a thicker atmosphere if it had a strong magnetic field.
@@luckytenno Venus doesn't either. Just a really high albedo from the sulfuric acid clouds. And maybe active vulcanism to replentish the CO2. But Venus was a greenhouse runaway, and so might not be representative. The point I was trying to make was that the Heptapod habitat had VERY low gravity, something you might see on a large planetoid like Ceres (or larger, since Ceres has only 0.029 g). Sorry I was not more specific. (I'm a geologist, btw)
I think the saddest part about communicating with aliens would be the fact that since we don't share the same brains, even if we humans came to know how their language works, we wouldn't be able to naturally understand it like how we can understand human language. Perceiving and decoding an alien language would probably be like doing a complicated math equation, you could figure it out but it would take time and not be processed instantly or naturally (hope I'm explaining this well enough)
Like if I hear the sentence "Hello how are you?" I know what it means pretty much instantly and can respond instantly, if an alien asked me the same thing, I'd have to decipher it which would take time and then take time to think up a response in their language, no matter how much I grasped how their language works.
Don't worry. We have been communicating easily with aliens for millennia. They can speak our languages and/or have telepathy skills.
It would be like trying to communicate with an octopus. All you could ever do is basic hand gestures and they could respond with tentacle movement.
A highly-specialised AI could do this quickly, I think
"Hey Albert, how do you want to do this first contact?"
"Let's do the usual awe inspiring jawdrop intro complete with dramatic smoke with ominous, distant views."
"Ah, a number 4 job. You'd think with the plethora of radiowaves leaking from this planet, we'd land with all the language business sorted out."
"Well, good thing you're not a screenwriter, Alice. Now let me do my 'it's not Us, is it a God' thing."
i love this movie...
Hawkeye was really good in this film
I saw somewhere that the hazmat suits in alien space craft scenes were digital effects. Acting in real suits was though to be too limiting.
While this scene is great, one thing i think they missed is the potential of human communication with each other being misinterpreted as communication with the heptapods
Anything the humans say to each other should be done facing each other, not facing the heptapods, which might think that they're being addressed when theyre not, thus muddying the waters of communication.
We rely on the volume and tone of our voices to understand when and how we're being addressed: the heptapods might not have perceptions of volume or tone, given they appear to communicate visually
The difference between these alien (if exist as here in movie ) and us, some difference between the human and apes.
The direction of your thinking is right, but since we *are* apes that would be easier. Abbott and Costello here are part of a lineage that is all alien, right from the beginning. Although their hands make me think of Echinodermata (starfish, sea stars) with no skeleton and movement generated by pumping fluids around.
Why is there, what looks like calculus/differential equations/matrices, on the white board???
This movie is SO fucking good but I don’t know if I can watch it again, the ending crushes me.
One of my favourite movies EVER ❤ I don’t know if there’s such a thing as a field of study ‘how to communicate with aliens’/ ‘alienthropology’ but it would have been the dream job for me (not that I would have been any good at it 😂).
One thing that is fundamentally wrong here is the (almost) inescapable anthropocentrism. Humans have to put on pause what you think and try to empathise with the aliens, understand first HOW they ‘think’ (which might be very different from what humans call ‘thinking’), not (just) WHAT they think. With aliens who have physical bodies is easier because you have an excellent starting point- you be fairly certain that there’s some embodied cognition there, at least in part. (From a defence perspective, also, is good news, because what is embodied can be physically neutralised or destroyed if they are a threat). Anyway.
She/ the other scientists in the film could/ should have started by identifying salient information such as-
Embodiment. What are their bodies like- number of limbs, shape, possible function within the system of one individual, patterns of movement, correlation between movements and sounds, how they move in their environment (float, walk, fly, crawl, combination thereof). Effort? Discomfort? Etc.
More than one individual. Is there a pattern of interaction amongst them? Social structure? Is there a boss or hive behaviour? Do they synchronise or have individual autonomy? Do they touch each other? Do they have a personal space? Etc.
In terms of cognition as such…it’s the most difficult bit because any alien form would operate with different building blocks than human ones. They can be cognitively super intelligent without reasoning; some may be able and willing to dumb themselves down to communicate (like making those patterns in the movie), others may not (if not, why? Is there intentionality? The intentionality is most difficult to assess, first of all because they might not have ‘volition’ and ‘intentionality’ as we understand it.
Last, but not least, do they experience something similar to human emotion? Do they have sensory receptors? I guess any embodied creature is able to feel threatened. Given that they are likely technologically superior, it’s not a very good idea for humans to be paranoid, even try to be manipulative (and everything else that makes them their usual awful selves) because these will apriori structure the parameters of interaction. So, any aliens will EITHER withdraw not wanting to have anything to do with such primitive species OR will retaliate because they will think that aggression is the only form of interaction intelligible for humans. Of course, if they are benevolent. If they are hostile, I’d still say that a intelligent-soft approach is recommended; they would most certainly be technologically superior, so humankind flexing its weak muscle will achieve nothing, really.
I truly hope that there are intelligent and empathetic people who study these things and prepare humankind for contact with alien species, free from interference from Generals Trigger Happy with IQs of minus 140, ugly character, crap temperament, and proud of their chests covered in blood medals.
We should not use any AI trying to understand aliens. It will do more harm than good because it will give unusable data or, worse, throw scientists off- course with false readings(it will never be able to correctly and usefully extrapolate because it is as biased and limited as the available information input and the inherent operating human biases). And it cannot really empathise.
Investing in developing human minds through natural means is the very best. I’m pessimistic about humankind’s odds of survival. Heck, it doesn’t need any aliens to wipe them out, humans have excelled at doing that themselves.
*I should write a sci-fi book, I know 😄*
2:15 Louise Lane lol...
The formulas on the whiteboard make no sense: There's the formula for an integral going through some kind of energy-potential to calculate the total action of the field, except they don't finish the calculation. They are playing around with bits and pieces of quantum-mechanics but, again, there is no actual calculation of something. And there's the formula for entropy, except, again, they don't use it to calculate something.
The formula for entropy makes the most sense, because they could be using information-theory to analyze the alien language... but they are also using the same white-board for at minimum 3 other topics that have NOTHING to do with linguistics or code-breaking.
The only drawback to this movie was the lighting, besides that it was great.
I think the lighting was perfect. It creates the right atmosphere and conveys all right messages 👏
I found the answer to the purpose of life.
I know it's somehow moot point, because winning awards doesn't mean to be an better actor than your fellow nominees.
That said, it's a shame that Amy Adams hasn't yet won an Oscar, because she is simply brlliant in ANY movie she's ever been in. Be it Junebug, Enchanted, Sunshine Cleaning, Arrival or whatever.
Again, very time she was nominated and someone else won, this someone else did a brilliant performance and also deserved the win. But it bugs me, that she has been nominated like 6 times(IIRC) and has never won.
What is that white board.
There's General Mechanics top middle with some Maxwells equations, from Electromagnetism. There's some matrix derivatives near the bottom? (Relativistic Particle Physics maybe??) There's just the words 'Buoyancy' and 'Gravitation' just written with little context around it. Some wave function and probability equations near the middle, some function describing an integral on the far left, and volume calculations near it?
Nobody does their work like this. It's like a giant stroke.
They probably added them for effect. The audience does not immediately pay attention to it. Similar to how they added a bunch of impossible chemical structures on a chalkboard in Breaking Bad such as a hydrogen bonded to 6 carbons.
See the thing about Aliens (1986) that I loved the most was that breaking protocol is what brought the danger to the entire crew. And the character that insisted they don't break it, is the person who survived.
step one for first contact... keep the military as far away as possible
No. Military should be involved, but not any idiots who bark orders, and definitely not any ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ ones.
A good, test run, us humans should do is on that hostile tribe on the island. Just learning their language, no interacting so we don't make them sick with our germs. But helping us try to understand a near foreign language.
We have people who speak the language, or at least a dialect of it.
I’d settle for understanding why Joe Alien is here vs why thier species is here, especially if it saves time.
This movie was so good. And I hated Jeremy Renner's character in the end.
We all have name(s).
Those mus their names!
Uhuh ... or maybe ...
Man - Woman
Husband - Wife
Translator - Soldier
Leader - Subject
Father - Son
Older brother - younger brother
In favor of war - debating peace
Or an actual question or sentence ...
‘Father-Son’. AND ‘The Holy Spirit’.
Can someone convince the same director to make Arrival-2 ? I would love to see what happens 3000 years after this event where humans will help the HeptaPods..
Maybe we visit their home-world with some form of knowledge or technology that they would need to survive ? ARRIVAL- 2 PLEASE !!!
I'd say step one would be to get Ted Chiang to write a sequel to the first story, since this is an adaptation of a literary work, otherwise agree. Maybe turn it around so we're the ones who know what's going to happen, that it will be hard, and do it anyway.
did it ever occur to you to learn their language? or use kanji or arabic?
Can some one explain to me what the bird is for ? Is it have any sciencetivic reason ? Thank you.
The bird is like the canary in the coal mine. Being unprotected, it would be the first creature to succumb to dangerous conditions, like lack of oxygen. Just my guess.
@@Infidelio And the aliens would be like ‘Bloody hell. They keep living creatures in cages 😱🤮 Prepare to take off, we’re going home’.
I never understood why they try to teach them writing, it would be like learning a language written on stone with no context.
Because written language is nothing more than code, and the resolution to its formulas are communication of human real world intentions. They could had used binary or music - both languages with other intents, one transports human emotions, one is machine code. english grammar and its number of symbols are a fairly simple human language, hence we use it worldwide.
Except that there IS context.
While I realise what she says is more for the audience. It always bothered me that teaching basic words first came into question at all. Anyone learning a second langauge knows you begin with basic short sentences, the kind of thing children do. And that's knowing how the language is structured. So of course you're going to use these same basic ideas when approaching a different species who you know nothing about.
Thank bob they ended up with cephalopod type creatures instead of any other type.
subtitles please 😭
It's a great movie but the only pickle is that when someone indeed need to talk to Aliens they'd use a psychic. There is no language in the universe. That's just human translation. All beings talk to each other in silence through light and vibration.
‘Psychic’? No. A psychic would at best feel their intention but wouldn’t be able to give any other information. Most importantly, any information obtained via a psychic would be highly unreliable because the aliens might purposefully give false readings (there are two openings at the ends of a channel, you know 😄) like a counterintelligence type of thing, and even fry the reader’s brain. Yes, humans could try and triangulate info via observation of behaviour in controlled behaviour tests, but what kind of message about human species would that give to an alien, anyway? Fucking monkeys prying. Deceitful. Primitives not to be trusted. Definitely to be avoided (or destroyed, if aliens were ill- intended).
FFS 🙄
Would I be correct in assuming that perception of time varies with the intensity of ambient gravity ? Meaning, if Earth was somehow much closer to the sun ( without getting burnt ) or closer to a Star much larger than the sun we would perceive time differently ?
My question is based on the understanding that the closer you get to a black hole, the slower the time passes in comparison to earth?
While that effect does exist, it is much too small to be perceptible by humans in any gravity field we could survive in, even at the surface of the sun if we could somehow get that close. And even if we could somehow perceive it, it is only a difference in the speed of time, not doing things out of order like the Arrival movie shows.
Agree with @brianorca. Yes there's a scientifically predictable, and probably measurable, difference, but unless you're really close to a black hole, it's a "not so you'd notice" issue. The two real world examples I can think of are Mercury's orbital precession, which was part of the experimental data that led to General Relativity, and the still-communicating Voyager probes which have escaped (or are guaranteed to escape) the Sun's gravity well. In the case of Mercury, the effect was pretty subtle. In the case of Voyager, there's a plain old Doppler shift in radio frequency, but that's mostly down to Earth's motion back and forth (from Voyagers' POV) around the sun, and it's easy to compensate for. Nothing like a "seconds equal centuries" difference. I remember looking up this sort of thing when The Expanse aired with its Ring Gate: would time be different to someone orbiting a more massive star, or closer? The answer is yes, but not significantly.
If I understand correctly:
Earth-orbiting GPS satellite readings need Relativistic corrections for 1) Distance from Earth (lower gravity, so satellite clock Speeds Up a tiny bit) and 2) Orbital Velocity (satellite clock Slows Down a tiny bit).
I guess perception of time varies depending on the physical environment, but more importantly on inner psychological environment, and most importantly on the cognitive architecture.
What happens with time (and space) for example around and in black holes, will forever remain incomprehensible for human mind because there’s only that much one could stretch the rubber band of mind before it snaps. One could play with mathematical models but they’ll forever be just more or less coherent speculative arguments.
Time is, ultimately, how embodied creatures organise primarily external stimuli. Kant was right- time is a category of thinking.
So in effect, you are trying to say different species who think differently may perceive time differently ?@@claudiamanta1943
Poor Jeremy
물음표를 이해하려면 처음으로 돌아가야한다
Where's Doctor Jackson when you need him
I remember this scene. They hired a language person, but then didn't want to do anything the language person said to do. So why hire a language person? Probably so the writers could show off their ideas about how communicating with aliens would work. You always gotta have the dummy asking questions for the audience.
bruh that was seven minutes? went for like only 30 seconds
These backup guards are ridiculous aborting every 5 seconds lol
I would too. "Get me outta here omg."
@@infatigable Which is exactly why you wouldn’t be there to begin with.
Alien to Louise: "hey hey hey young lady! we've got some synthetics in our hosehold, cleaning staff, nothing special, hard workers, it's funny though you mentioned it but, there names are all Joe?!" Huh?!
Are they floating in a gas, or liquid?
It's kind of gas I guess
I thought this was a fantastic movie right up until they went with that dumb temporal effect aspect (unnecessarily weird) and and psycho soldier (just plain tired and overdone). First half or 2/3rds is very much the 10/10 movie everyone says it is, but the last part just lost me like a M. Shylaman ending.
the culmination of the universe is within you, try to get in tune
Re-watch the movie knowing the aliens are aware of everything that's going to happen.
@@UnityComplexx No, it’s not 🙄🙄 It may come as a surprise to many but the Cosmos doesn’t revolve a monkey’s arse.
A mixed movie. Star Trek got Contact right: machine learning and machine translation. The movie sidestepped this by creating a language the learning of which would have time travel effects, an intrinsic or bioengineered quality of the heptapods, which nonetheless could be learned by a non-heptapod sentient organic. The only real question for me was not whether the language reshaped the good doctor's cognitive and metaphysical abilities, the latter of which at least is impossible to the extent depicted, but whether they bioengineered her brain during the visits so that she was better adapted to do so. A secondary interesting issue was the extent to which the US director showed the US 'solution' beat out rival philosophical systems' approaches,.
It's funny about your "secondary issue". At the end, I perceived it as exactly the opposite. I'll have to re-watch it.
I have not seen the Star Trek version of first contact that you’re referring to. In Arrival, however, the nature of the heptapod language and its unique effects can, in the wrong hands, be used a weapon. If the language was simply machine translated for us, then what would stop us from ending one another from the get-go? Also, and this is going to sound like a cop out but, knowing that the heptapods can see time in its entirety, wouldn't they have only been following the path that would yield the results that they were aiming for regardless of the loss of one of their own? Correct me if I missed something.
I think you're wrong about the "american solution" being right as the chinese general she persuades at the end is graceful and accepting, he is not defeated as an antagonist but knows the correct thing to do when he is convinced.
@@itspaddyd I think the obvious explanation there is that the heptapods engineered an outcome - which the Chinese certainly participated in but which is 'owned' by the US certainly in that the US was lead here and the UN is based on individual freedoms - that reflects their own morality, especially as they hope a human society patterned by this Contact will save them in the future. In other words, applying cosmic sociology, we can tell that the heptapods are democratic cosmopolitans, not Marxist-Leninists, Maoists, etc. BTW, in Star Trek, First Contact, the Vulcans speak English, via machine interpretation.
@@johndraper7136 Does the Vulcan language also alter the perception of time? If not, I am not sure the two "Contacts" can be compared.
I loved this movie but I’m really tired of the “grizzled military man butting heads with the scientist” trope. This movie does it a bit better but his disbelief in her process does seem a bit unrealistic
I always thought its more of a product of the actual threat and urgency of the process.
This is a dark movie. Not in tone or anything, I just can’t see wtf is going on
I love this movie ....and Denis villenuve is a Crackhead!
also the Sound , and OST by Johan Johansson is beyond this world literally..
ntm Amy Adams is a Top actress... and so is Hawkeye. the casting is top notch.
the VFX team and all the background artists did a wonderful job!
Max Richter's 'Nature of daylight ' is beautiful , are you referring to a variation of the theme? Just curious
interesting the aliens are very octopi ish. Octopi are the aliens on planet earth. Please don't eat one, And I noticed the appendage resembled a starfish. Interesting but not original. Could the symbols in "ink" also denote gender as well as personal "names"?
ME MILITARY GUY, ME STUPID
I get that forest's character is the audience stand in so that stuff can be explained. But my god he is dumb. For some reason he thinks you can translate an Alien language in about 5 mins.
too dark