You boys seem exhausted. It's bad enough being a fan of this team, I couldn't imagine having to talk about them on podcast every day. God bless you guys.
This is the final hurrah of the Melnyk era. Rebuild starts now. Dorion always went after the biggest names he could get. No thought was ever given to modern team construction. Chychrun and Debrincat seem to be puzzled about why they weren’t central, core players.
We don’t need a rebuild but we need to blow things up a bit for sure. Here’s what I would like to see - trades of Chabot & Norris (and kubalik and tarasenko if he wants to go to a contender but I’m happy to keep tarasenko if he wants to stay I like him). I would prefer to keep Chychrun I think he has more of a skill set than Chabot overall. Trading Norris and Chabot should net us a good goal tender ideally and a right shot D. Then we go from there - we will have a lot of cap room after that (plus with what’s coming off the books next year)
Random Rambling The problem with the Sens this year? They're young. Everyone built them up and the players listened. Stutzle & Sanderson made some comments in the preseason that provided bulletin board material. At the beginning of the season looked like they didn't go to training camp. The early loss to Detroit demoralized them. They've rotated players through the LTIR, so they can ice a full lineup. That's not good for a team designed to roll 4 lines and 3 pairs. Considering they have yet to ice their top 9 & get average goaltending, I shouldn't be surprised by the result. Right now is about teaching basic defensive techniques in a prolonged training camp a La Vancouver last year. Whoever (Hunter bros) is brought in next can hopefully benefit from the Martin/Alfredsson tandem. I believe in these guys. But I've been wrong before
@user-pn2qz1zf2p You missed part of the point. It is all, like myself, that are part of the problem at the start of this year. As very young squad listened to their fan base and forgot how to be prepared. Everything snowballed from there
Tough times boys, thanks for giving it your best despite the... context 😅 I personally think we should move Chabot, actually been saying that since early in the season. He's got value and he is way too much of a defensive liability. I'd keep Chych though.
This team wasn’t overhyped. They’ve underperformed. A team that was as close to playoffs last year as they were should’ve improved. This is just depressing and there’s no right answers
Said it at the start of the season. Horrible losing culture around this team. And it’s come home to roost. I’d understand if Chyc wanted to leave if he’s playing well but he’s not playing well defensively at all. Where’s the pride with these guys? If he wants to get moved then maybe he should be playing better to deserve a trade
Most GM's out there are probably still think this team will be run like Dorion and that they can fleece the Sens in trades. Hopefully Staios is not a fool like Dorkion.
So the question remains: Chabot or Chychrun ? Which one stays, which one goes ? If Chych is willing to sign a deal that financially makes sense (ie: notably less than 8 mil/ year), then keeping him as a 2nd pair left D below Snake and above the K-Train makes sense. Then you need to trade Chabot over the summer and find a proper RHD to line up beside Chych or Sandy. I think mid-term, Zub can be either the top RHD or the 2nd, either works and JBD can line up beside Klevin. If he wants Chabot money to stay, then he should go. For the same dollars, I'd rather have Chabot. A lot of this comes down to roster construction and $ per area. 12 F= 50% of team salary, 7D=35% of team salary, 2G=10% of team salary, 5% contingencies!
Maybe this is just me but I don't think I'll be embracing the tank at all this season. The Sens have no luck and won't win the draft lottery. Personally I feel this team needs to learn how to win more than they need a 5th vs a 10th overall pick. I want to see them win some games and build confidence in the second half, trade some expiring contracts and reload for hopefully a better year next year. Although Celebrini would be great too lol
Judging from chychruns body language since the beginning of the season hes had it. Left to be on a competitive team and now the coyotes make us look like a clown show. Theres no guarantee this core has anything and he wants out. I dont blame him.
Everyone was so worried about shitting on the coach while completely overvaluing the players we have.....yes, the coaches needed to be changed but if anyone thought that it would be the next step to send us to the next level has no clue lol
We need to see a decent return if we trade Chych due to his offensive prowess and pedigree. Love him on paper, but he has been bad if not worse than anybody since Sweden. Like a dozen instances where his bad reads directly lead to goals against. Like everyone else, his head is his own worst enemy right now.
I think we have to tank this season. Just so that at least something good- like a high draft pick - can come out of this travesty of a season. We have wasted assets with the bad DeBrincat trade, the Boucher pick, and now it seems a Chychrun trade. What a mess this is! Still - we are only one year removed from a nice stretch last year when the atmosphere was through the roof. Things can turn around quickly with young players.
Embrace the tank for better picks. Sure yes do that. But don't blow up the team or the D core. We need a better full time goalie. We need a coach that knows how to win and we need a team manager that knows how to create an atmosphere that the team bonds, has fun and the best players want to come here and stay here.
By far the most frustrating and depressing season I’ve watched in 20 years of being a fan of this team. I can’t imagine trying to come up with intelligent conversation about it. It’s just a train wreck, plain and simple.
Cannot even believe what has gone on this season. Complete embarrassment the least they can do is tank and try and get cellibrini. Absolutely unacceptable , so so sad man
I think you need to have Greig and Pinto in the top 9. The 4 others in the bottom 6 need to be changed to good veteran players. Defenseman you keep Sandy and Zub. Blow the defense right up. Mads will be the goalie of the future if Ottawa doesn’t mess up the development
Strongly considering selling all my signed stuff this is the worst team I think I’ve ever watched as a Sens fan, like even worse than the expansion years, they had an excuse then. We’re the next Buffalo Sabres, going to be bad for 15 plus years.
I also hope we finally get a real new coach very soon so that we can start preparing next season. Jacques Martin should have never been more than a few games short term solutions, I cannot believe they actually decided to let him on for that long.... A good wiseman for your office, not a head coach no more.
No chance he would extend long-term and that would be a Dorion move to offer him such a deal. Bad trade -- whether worse than Cat history will judge. But two stupid moves by a stupid GM.
You boys seem exhausted. It's bad enough being a fan of this team, I couldn't imagine having to talk about them on podcast every day. God bless you guys.
Never seen Ross look more down and depressed lol. Right there with you man. We’re lucky for you boys aren’t quitting on us. We need the support group.
Hahhaha appreciate the note Mike! Well get through it together 😅
This is the final hurrah of the Melnyk era. Rebuild starts now.
Dorion always went after the biggest names he could get. No thought was ever given to modern team construction. Chychrun and Debrincat seem to be puzzled about why they weren’t central, core players.
We don’t need a rebuild but we need to blow things up a bit for sure. Here’s what I would like to see - trades of Chabot & Norris (and kubalik and tarasenko if he wants to go to a contender but I’m happy to keep tarasenko if he wants to stay I like him). I would prefer to keep Chychrun I think he has more of a skill set than Chabot overall. Trading Norris and Chabot should net us a good goal tender ideally and a right shot D. Then we go from there - we will have a lot of cap room after that (plus with what’s coming off the books next year)
This team is so goddamns depressing.... Embrace the tank, I suppose... there always next year *sigh* 😔
Random Rambling
The problem with the Sens this year?
They're young.
Everyone built them up and the players listened. Stutzle & Sanderson made some comments in the preseason that provided bulletin board material.
At the beginning of the season looked like they didn't go to training camp. The early loss to Detroit demoralized them.
They've rotated players through the LTIR, so they can ice a full lineup.
That's not good for a team designed to roll 4 lines and 3 pairs.
Considering they have yet to ice their top 9 & get average goaltending, I shouldn't be surprised by the result.
Right now is about teaching basic defensive techniques in a prolonged training camp a La Vancouver last year.
Whoever (Hunter bros) is brought in next can hopefully benefit from the Martin/Alfredsson tandem.
I believe in these guys. But I've been wrong before
The Hughes bros in Jersey are also young (23 and 19). Enough with the age excuse.
@user-pn2qz1zf2p You missed part of the point. It is all, like myself, that are part of the problem at the start of this year. As very young squad listened to their fan base and forgot how to be prepared. Everything snowballed from there
mtl actual look good lately, good bet to go against sens
Provocative and thoughtful discussion guys. Food for thought - thanks
Tough times boys, thanks for giving it your best despite the... context 😅 I personally think we should move Chabot, actually been saying that since early in the season. He's got value and he is way too much of a defensive liability. I'd keep Chych though.
God Bless LOSP, our only spark this season. Keep it up boys....! 🎉
(I just got #1 for Sens on Tankathon)
This team wasn’t overhyped. They’ve underperformed. A team that was as close to playoffs last year as they were should’ve improved. This is just depressing and there’s no right answers
Ross n pillsy are wicked a ton of awesome points on this show head up stick on the ice lads
Where did last year’s PP go ?
Great episode guys I definitely agree in the switch in type of players needed to bring in. This team was built to be a glass cannon
Toronto also, coming back from Sweden and they are also on a tail spin to.
Sens were 12-5 with me in the building last year. As of last night? 4-6 this season 🙃
I listened to the end. This podcast was really sad. Yes, I really mean sorrowful.
Remember the Canucks in a disastrous season last year, acquired Hronek near the deadline and traded picks to improve their team, not sell off
Said it at the start of the season. Horrible losing culture around this team. And it’s come home to roost.
I’d understand if Chyc wanted to leave if he’s playing well but he’s not playing well defensively at all. Where’s the pride with these guys? If he wants to get moved then maybe he should be playing better to deserve a trade
Sanderson - Weegar
Chychrun - Zub
Kleven - Spence
Most GM's out there are probably still think this team will be run like Dorion and that they can fleece the Sens in trades.
Hopefully Staios is not a fool like Dorkion.
So the question remains: Chabot or Chychrun ? Which one stays, which one goes ? If Chych is willing to sign a deal that financially makes sense (ie: notably less than 8 mil/ year), then keeping him as a 2nd pair left D below Snake and above the K-Train makes sense. Then you need to trade Chabot over the summer and find a proper RHD to line up beside Chych or Sandy. I think mid-term, Zub can be either the top RHD or the 2nd, either works and JBD can line up beside Klevin. If he wants Chabot money to stay, then he should go. For the same dollars, I'd rather have Chabot. A lot of this comes down to roster construction and $ per area. 12 F= 50% of team salary, 7D=35% of team salary, 2G=10% of team salary, 5% contingencies!
Trading Chychrun would be Staios’ Melnyk moment
Maybe this is just me but I don't think I'll be embracing the tank at all this season. The Sens have no luck and won't win the draft lottery. Personally I feel this team needs to learn how to win more than they need a 5th vs a 10th overall pick. I want to see them win some games and build confidence in the second half, trade some expiring contracts and reload for hopefully a better year next year. Although Celebrini would be great too lol
Personalities are clashing in the dressing room since the start of the season imho!
Chickee was good steal. At the time. Has been decent amidst disaster. Even if he now gets traded.
Is Kleven R. D?
LD!
Keep Sanderson and Chychrun and the rest can go. The defence aren’t big on hitting. Brannstrom is too small.
Judging from chychruns body language since the beginning of the season hes had it. Left to be on a competitive team and now the coyotes make us look like a clown show. Theres no guarantee this core has anything and he wants out. I dont blame him.
If he’s smart he would go. This will not be fixed soon.
Honestly thought he looked hyped in the offseason preseason and at least the start of the regular season. He’s slowly gone downhill though
Last few games especially it’s almost like he’s been trying to be bad. He hasn’t been completing simple passes, ones I know he can easily make
Jacob hasn’t been as good as the media makes him out to be. He’s not worth more than he’s being paid.
Everyone was so worried about shitting on the coach while completely overvaluing the players we have.....yes, the coaches needed to be changed but if anyone thought that it would be the next step to send us to the next level has no clue lol
We need to see a decent return if we trade Chych due to his offensive prowess and pedigree. Love him on paper, but he has been bad if not worse than anybody since Sweden. Like a dozen instances where his bad reads directly lead to goals against. Like everyone else, his head is his own worst enemy right now.
Kleven is a keeper
I think we have to tank this season. Just so that at least something good- like a high draft pick - can come out of this travesty of a season. We have wasted assets with the bad DeBrincat trade, the Boucher pick, and now it seems a Chychrun trade. What a mess this is!
Still - we are only one year removed from a nice stretch last year when the atmosphere was through the roof. Things can turn around quickly with young players.
Embrace the tank for better picks. Sure yes do that.
But don't blow up the team or the D core. We need a better full time goalie. We need a coach that knows how to win and we need a team manager that knows how to create an atmosphere that the team bonds, has fun and the best players want to come here and stay here.
reports has Chychrun doesnt want to stay here anymore
By far the most frustrating and depressing season I’ve watched in 20 years of being a fan of this team. I can’t imagine trying to come up with intelligent conversation about it. It’s just a train wreck, plain and simple.
The sand that has slipped through my fingers has fallen into my shoes. Now I'm just annoyed.
Cannot even believe what has gone on this season. Complete embarrassment the least they can do is tank and try and get cellibrini. Absolutely unacceptable , so so sad man
Go Sens Go
Hey hey
Easier to move the 🐣 compared to Chabby. For better return.
Does Pillsee like the chicken wrap because he sells all those chickens?
I think you need to have Greig and Pinto in the top 9. The 4 others in the bottom 6 need to be changed to good veteran players.
Defenseman you keep Sandy and Zub. Blow the defense right up.
Mads will be the goalie of the future if Ottawa doesn’t mess up the development
Feels like it's gonna be a rebuild in a rebuild
It’s happening I think.
F that Chych STAYS
Strongly considering selling all my signed stuff this is the worst team I think I’ve ever watched as a Sens fan, like even worse than the expansion years, they had an excuse then. We’re the next Buffalo Sabres, going to be bad for 15 plus years.
Probably right. I think this is the what Gary wants. We will eventually fold I believe. We should be scared to.
Ottawa has Zero goaltending… Zero … every game 1-2 goals that are absolutely cringe go in..
"Tankathon" Spin tells your draft pick.....😂
Embracing the tank is kind of like embracing nudity😮
Trade Chabot, not chycrun. Trade him for a bag of pucks if we have to. Fire that defensive coach.
Keep Chyrchrun before Chabot, Chabby's gotta go
Whoopy dooo dahhh
Avs lost to the Habs night before what do you expect Chabot is overrated
I also hope we finally get a real new coach very soon so that we can start preparing next season. Jacques Martin should have never been more than a few games short term solutions, I cannot believe they actually decided to let him on for that long.... A good wiseman for your office, not a head coach no more.
No chance he would extend long-term and that would be a Dorion move to offer him such a deal. Bad trade -- whether worse than Cat history will judge. But two stupid moves by a stupid GM.