Our Farm's First Pigs are Here
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Pigs are smart animals. If you give them a large area to live. They will eat in one part, poop in an other, and sleep in an other.
They are very smart! If they ever get out of the pen, you can forget it!
They have no space right now, is what you mean to say but are too polite.
@@CaribouOrange it is not a jab at Morgan, it is just a fact.
@@CaribouOrange Morgan was very clear he's just using the small pen to train them on the electric fence wire, then he went into detail about everywhere they will be living.
@@bormz7191 That stuff in the middle should be against the fence so the pigs have space. They will learn to respect the electric wire, but three pigs in a tight space like that is akin to animal abuse
Morgan: Take your time, I've got plenty of patience for you guys
Morgan 5 seconds later: "Starts picking up pigs and putting them in pen"
😅😅
Me with my cats, when I'm trying to wait them out when they're sleeping on me and I either have lost feeling in limbs, or more likely "I HAVE TO PEE DANG IT!! GET OFF!!" But u know u never move a sleeping kitty...😂😂😂😂😂
I assume more time passed than was shown on the video. Also the rubber mat / ramp looked a bit sketchy so I understand why the pigs did not try it..
😂
"I've got plenty of patience"
*YEETS*
You are probably way ahead of me, but I'll comment just in case: the pigs need more electric-free area and/or a larger paddock. They can barely turn around without getting shocked. I've seen setups where the training fence was just a small portion of the interior of the paddock fence, so they do get contact and learn to avoid the fence. Predator protection can be strung outside the paddock as needed.
That was my first thought as well. For three pigs who will grow exponentially fast, this isn’t enough space at all.
Yeah I was thinking this as well, just a corner or one side of the pen. Then you can make a bit more until you have a little yard outside the pen.
I agree. They need more space for the zoomies. 🙂
4:08 of the video he states that the current pen is temporary
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probably their training would be better in a rectangular space instead of square. When animals run, they throw themselves into the next wall because there is not space for then to run and stop to understand what is happening. Which is making them constantly get shocked. Be careful not to train them to be helpless about getting zapped and build them to be too panicky because they just can't understand what is zapping them and what to do to avoid it.
Hi morgan! Just one tip for you: try not to feed the rats or other raw animal parts to the pigs, they can contract deseases from them particularly parassites that can harm them a lot. Btw nice addition to the farm!!
I don’t even let my roosters eat the rats that they kill. I’m not trying to eat chicken that’s been feeding on rats.
agree with this. Especially if neighboring houses or farms use rat poison. Best of luck, Morgan!
What about the cats that do it all the time?
@@arcan762 cats are carnivores pigs and chickens are herbivores.
@@_R0bl3d0_ actually pigs and chickens are omnivores, not herbivores
I think the space they are in is small maybe twice the size so they can move around and not hit the electric fence.
I thought the same, especially how he has the hot wire placed so far inside the wire panels. They seem to hit that hot wire with just avoiding each other.
Yes could have been a bit bigger for sure but I give it to him for it being the first time and he did his homework. Extra fast training and they be ready in the morning for a larger space ^^
Speeds up the learning process LOL
Agreed, they need a third of the space for their poop yard, doesn't leave much left for exercise, bedding, food and water.
It would help a lot if the Pigloo were not in the center of the yard. One side needs to be near the fence, maybe in a corner, even.
The 3 little pigs! ❤
And yes Morgan that's exactly what I was thinking: they went wee wee wee wee all the way home ❤
I'm sure there is some time between you filming the pigs in the truck and picking them up, but it looked like they went from hysterical screaming to "I guess this is my life now" in the truck, lmao
That is what all pigs do.
⚘FUNNY LOL
That's pigs for ya
Pigs are silly, they scream like they are being attacked anytime their feet are off the ground and calm down like it never happened soon as they feel the ground again.😂
That is pigs basically, the moment you pick them up they scream bloody murder but if you set them down they are chilling again. Pretty cool animals too though you can teach them alot, pigs are damn smart but funny how they scream everytime you pick them up and seem to forget whenever you put them down again 😂
Whenever you bring new animals to the farm, for some reason, it reminds me of one of those bear hunter guys who said "This Morgan isn't even a real farmer. A farm has cattle, and pigs, and all he does is attach cameras to his cats and geese" --- or something like this.
Well, now it's a real farm even by their standards
Exactly my thoughts also.
Same! From part time farmer to full time farmer now.
honestly, who cares what envious, unpleasant people say. and rom wasn't built in a day either. better to do it slowly, and with good planning.
@@Optimismus53 Exactly!
I also always remember that, when seeing new animals on the farm.
Yeah, the test area was way too small for the pigs, it seemed... They were getting shocked everywhere so they didn't know what to do.
It could have been done different, but this is just the hard knocks version of training
"I have plenty of patience for you guys"
Cuts to him throwing them off the trunk lol. I actually laughed out loud
Strawberries and Asparagus are compagnion plants! They grow super well together!
If you grow asparagus, start gathering recipes head of time. When it's ready, it's ALL ready
@@deed5811 Asparagus can also be frozen or, more traditionally, canned. I love asparagus as a deluxe alternative to green beans in the traditional green bean casserole.
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 i often buy frozen when its not in produce section. I just know relatives who grew it gave a bunch away each year and still had seemingly tons of it left over 😂😋
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 pickled asparagus is good too
Indeed.
One of my early childhood memories is with my Dad coming back from the auction after we bought our first 6 pigs. By the time we got them all unloaded we only had 5 pigs and one cornfield pig we never saw again. Glad to see your unloading went a lot smoother!
Oh, look, it's Kevin Bacon, Peter Porkchop and Hamm. I'm actually anxious to know the names 😁
Jon Ham. There's an actor with that name. I like the other names, Kevin Bacon is one of my favorites. He's so cool!
Morgan…Pigs are actually very clean. They poop away from where they eat and sleep.
They need a larger space. 🌸
Congratulations on your new additions! Your pigs need more area for them to learn electric fence. For my horses, they needed quite a bit more room that was electric free to keep them from being traumatized. Otherwise, they would stand in the middle of the pen and not move out of fear from being shocked. Good luck with your new piggies!
it’s crazy to see the growth of the farm! I remember when Abby wasn’t even a thought and the cows were just a dream. Now you have pigs! The growth must feel so rewarding for you Morgan!
Just a tip on the fence training, for next time. You don't need to string the whole fence with the wire in the begining, if the fence is secure on its own. I believe it was Al from Lumnah Acres that trained his to the electric fence by putting it up on one side of the pen. Just makes it easier for them to figure out quickly. Then you can add it around. That way they aren't bouncing off one side into the other and getting zapped without knowing why.
My initial reaction is the pen is too small for the fence training because when they accidently come in contact their startled reaction causes them to run into some other part of the fence causing more havoc. However I am definitely not a farmer.
I feel with the pigs you've unlocked a new level of farming. They're lovely animals, smart as dogs, if not more so, and I guess it'll be one of your most challenging endeavours ahead of you to treat them right and give them their best life on the farm. Good luck!
Eta: I wish you'd given them more space with their training pen.
A case that Dr. Pol showed on air was a few pigs getting sunburned and overheated. With having the pink pigs they will sunburn easy. If the sun is out no matter the temperature, they can get burnt. Just make sure you have a place for them to get cover from the sun. So happy that you are getting these cute pigs. I can’t wait to see how the ducks and geese will react.
Saw some of the concern regarding the temporary pen size. I have to agree. From the bit we saw, they run away from the shock but immediately touch another wire so get shocked again. They don't appear to have space to get away from the wire and figure out what happened.
Pigs are very smart, smarter than some dogs. They need to be trained more like dogs than cows.
My second concern is them going a bit feral. Pigs can get VERY big and being so smart go feral very easily. Might have a hard time rounding them up for processing in the end.
Naming them makes sense, you name the cows that are going to be processed, so of course you would name the pigs too.
Good luck with them 😊
Happy for u, i mean this just in a helpful way but I believe the enclosure is too small for 3 pigs since I’ve found they find comfort in having structure to their backs so instinctively they will brush against the electric fence
I've seen other farmers have success with fence training pigs by locking them up in their little hutch for like a day or overnight. When they're let out, they venture out slowly and eventually encounter the fence, so they understand its a bad thing. Your setup has them leaning on the fence feeling safe while you're walking to turn it on, then when you turn on the power the safe space is suddenly bad and they have a harder time understanding what's causing the hurt when they were fine a second ago.
Hey, Morgan. I think you should have waited to train them to the fence because they were too unsettle to train them. That is one reason why they kept hitting the fence
They'll need more room to train to the fence. They don't have anywhere to run away without either running into more fence or nailing what you have set up in the center. I know its temporary, but...I would make the space bigger to properly train them to fence. With as much space as the water bucket, the house, and the food bowls take up in the very middle of the 16x16, I would go at least twice as big because there's barely room for one of them to move past the items in the middle without hitting the fence, much less two or even all three. They need more clearance or you're not gonna get them trained at all :)
Exactly. With so little space, they're going to be fearful/stressed about the fence all the time now when in there, after getting shocked that many times.
I lost it when Morgan was like "I got plenty of time guys it's cool" next clip cuts into him picking them up and tossing them in 😂😂😂
I am pretty sure that you would have had better success with the poly wire training if you gave them a bigger pin. Their shelter, water ,food plus the foot taken off each side made your space per pig considerably smaller. The pigs look like they have a three foot wide path around their food and shelter to move. I am pretty sure that you have probably opened up their space by the time you posted this so consider the actual amount of space you give the pigs next year if you get more pigs.
That was harsh for this old tree-hugger to watch. One getting shocked & the other two panicking. All three were shocked repeatedly. Help me out here, could you have given a bigger pen to learn in? 3 little pigs getting shocked & not knowing how or why. Morgan, you can do better by them I know it! Very soon these little pigs will be massive. Better that they grow without fear & learn respect for the electric fence. Not expecting you to make pets but our food animals deserve kindness, love & respect too. I am loving your new barn! Elite!
They say pigs have the intelligence of a human 5y.o.... i love pigs, adorable and smart. Congrats on getting ur first pigs!!! 😊
The Pigloo 😂❤ This is so awesome Morgan! Please post update introducing Abby and Tobey to the piglets. I know their names will be absolutely perfect and hilarious as you have NEVER disappointed naming your livestock. I cannot wait to see the completed herd when the white cow and calf finally arrive as well. How long of an adjustment will they need before you plan to move them into the wooded area? I definitely cannot wait for the 3 little piggy shenanigans to commence. 😂
"I've got plenty of patience for you guys."
*throws all 3 out of the truck bed*
:D🤣
Based on what I've seen on other channels, your paddock is too small for 3 pigs. Hope you will enlarge asap. Also, pigs are extremely smart animals.
Yes, as he said it is a temporary space.
@@SpeakerWiggin49 no but for real they hit the electric wire too many times they need more space to even turn i think it is very cruel to have this small space
Hey Morgan! Pigs are not only smart animals, they are in the top 5 smartest animals that aren’t human. The order is great apes, cetaceans, elephants, corvids, and then pigs. They are smarter than dogs and if you learn how they communicate and experience the world, they are super easy to train! Not too surprising that they figured out the watering system without any help!
Also it is very important in the summer for them to have access to mud, as pigs can’t sweat and need mud to cool down and not get sunburnt.
I realize it's only temporary, Morgan, but 16' x 16' is way too small of an area for three pigs! They can barely move or turn around without getting zapped. Please make their temporary enclosure at least two or three times this size. The fence training is going so badly because you didn't give them enough room to get away from it.
General city slicker watcher here.
Rewatching a year later and remembering the pigs, such a fun new adventure!
If you see this, I would love a little mini-montage of pig clips (the welcoming of them, their growth and we didn't see much but maybe some by-products they gave you).
As well as one for Kurt, and even the ducks/geese!
Just an idea for a video in the future, I'll copy this comment and put it on the next new vid just to throw the idea out there again
I feel bad for the poor pigs screaming when being kidnapped into an improvised trailer transport. I hope their life gets better after this.
Morgan.. thank you. You have made realize that I didn't miss anything by not buying a hobby farm. A couple of pigs, how hard can it be? No thank you!
Suggestion I would make your area fencing larger twice the size that you have now that area is too small they have nowhere to run except into the fence..🙁. Please make your area a lot larger for the pigs .
First time Pig oners is always an experience.
The homestead pigfeeders we used 40 years ago were hot water heater tanks, cut long-wise to make two 'canoes'.Then we had a short piece of angle iron (1 1/2-2' long) welded on to one end, at the bottom, which kept the tanks from rolling. After about 20 years, the spots in the bottom of the trough where the 'anti-roll device' was welded on rusted through. After 20 years as pig feeder and waterer, manufactured from a used up water heater, and the anti-roll-device we used was half a bent beyong use t post. So one fence pole and one water tank made 2 vessels. We definitely got our money's worth out of that project.
1. Give your pigs more space to learn the electric fence...
2. Dont give them disease filled rats, what is wrong with you?
3. Your pigs need a spot to wallow and cover themselves in mud soon... Especially since youre getting 21 degree days already... Its their protection from the sun
Pigs are smart animals. My late Uncle Herman raised pigs & he had classical music 24/7 playing in his pig house. The family always called his pigs "educated pigs"
Yet another milestone for the farm, and one we’ve all been super excited to see! I hope they do well for you (and don’t cause too much mischief). Two things I’d like to comment on: after seeing the slow burn of the dead grass, I was wondering how prescribed burning might be beneficial for the pasture or farm overall. I know fire is a necessary component of many southern US ecosystems, but I’m not too sure about the role of fire up in the Northeast. Secondly, if you haven’t already, I’d advise freezing all of the rodents the cats kill for a couple days at minimum before thawing them and feeding them to the pigs, to remove as many potential parasites as possible.
I have loads of time and loads of patience for you guys “throws pigs out of truck”
Love it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Morgan - That is NOT a large enough area for 3 pigs. They need at least twice that size if not 3x that size. Otherwise they will continue to get shocked or tear up the wire. Seriously, pls consider enlarging their area.
Make sure pigs don't get any yeast like bred dough. They don't burp and yeast will kill them. When I have pigs in the winter I boil a mash on the wood stove so I know there is nothing harmful left alive like bacteria or yeast.
As an outsider I know nothing about farming but that pen seemed way too small for an electric fence they had nowhere to run to after being shocked 😂... Especially with the house and water in the middle. Be interesting to see what your next move is.
I laughed so hard at your video! As a former pig farmer, I feel your pain, ha!ha! Might I suggest that you have a separate dish for each pig, because one pig will always hog the dish. Even though they will run from dish to dish at first, they will settle down and stick to one dish. Also, spent grains aren't the best thing for pigs, the meat will pick up an off taste.
Hope the pigs work out for you man! They're gonna be in a very loving home while they're in your care, I can tell.
you mean slaughtered for bacon?
I think the training pen is to small - the pigs can hardly move around the house without touching wire. Remember the big barn they are used to...
Your pen is too small for the electric fence. Every time they move they’re in danger of touching it by simple movement.
Morgan, you really need to make it bigger if you’re going to use electric fence or otherwise, they’re not understanding it’s the fence at all that’s hurting them. They’ll eventually get to the point where they will hardly even leave the middle because they’re too scared.
Electric fence only works well if they have a bigger area to move around in. It’s the same principle is training, a dog to a yard fence. If it’s a small area, the dog gets shocked too quickly any time they walk around at all and then they’re afraid to even leave the porch.
I felt that too. Seems logical. And I know you don't want any to cause the animals more pain than necessary.
@@barbaradeitz1853 I do think this was a huge error in planning. And I’m usually very tolerant of Morgan’s newness to all of this, but this was painful to watch. I could not watch the videos after the pigs were getting repeatedly shocked, and they had no clue what was going on. Seems like every time they jumped in one direction they were getting shocked.
Morgan, if you are reading this, after first of all pretty much at least doubling the size of your pen, change your fence so that the electric wire is closer to your panels. You should be able to put your posts close to your panels or use T post insulators and then hook up the type of insulators that stick out just a few inches. You don’t want such a big gap in there so that the pigs can actually go in between the electric wire, and the panel. That’s a big problem with your design.
I know you don’t mean to be harmful to your pigs, but this really has to be fixed-pronto. It’s a very poor set up and hurting and confusing your little pigs.
"Dogs look up to you.
Cats look down on you.
Pigs look you straight in the eye." -Winston Churchill
Good setup to get them home. To get them quiet for shots from vet pick them up by back feet and they won’t scream!
The pigs are cute welcome pigs to gold shaw farm I can't wait for more videos with them and learn about them
Morgan: B/C your pen was very small they hit the electric fence, got a painful jolt, panicked, then ping-ponged around the entire pen hitting it again and again. Since you have a solid panel fence to contain them, if you had only set a double hot wire along one side of the fence it would have been an easier learning experience for them. Once they connect wire = shock in their brain (probably less than a day) you could wire the rest of the pen all the way around and it would save them a bunch of shocks and you a little work.
Be prepared..... they are charmingly smart. Many learn to 'snuffle' dirt onto the lower wire and ground out the fence.... when they hear it stop 'ticking' they walk on through and go on walk about. Call them each time you feed them so they will come right back to you if (when?) they make a jail break.
BTW, that is a very nice set of pigs your farmer-friend sold you. You should do well with them.
Morgan: "I have plenty of patience for you guys"
(1 second later)
Morgan: *yanking the pigs out of the truck*
Pigs are so cute and friendly animals.
The training fence looks too small for the pigs, when they get startled by the shock and run away they run straight into the other side of it.
This is what i love with ur videos, u dont make us to wait for ur videos. U make sure that, if its possible.. u put all of the contents in one video and not uploading it part by part.
Congratulations on your new additions. The area was very small for 3 pigs to train to Hot Wire in my opinion. But it will work just a little harder on them cause of close quarters. Good Luck Peace from WV
And his farm never knew a moment of quiet ever again.
problem that might arise from this small enclosure(beside being too small in the first place with too much hot wire everywhere they turn) is the manure. Pigs are rather tidy when it comes to that and will use a dedicated area aka they dont shit where they eat (or sleep)
Holy sh** those first seconds. Audio straight out of a horror movie.
Very interesting to watch! Always love your videos and hope the pigs are accustomed now 🙌
I love how every single new (moderately sized) animal that comes to your farm has had to initially take shelter in that plastic snowcube until a radder pad can be made. It's like a rite of passage at this point!
The electric fence is the worst part about getting pigs but once they figure it out they are awesome to have around.
Hey Morgan--when I first subscribed to the channel I think I asked in one of the monthly farm meetings if you had ever heard of Snug Valley Farm, and at the time I believe you had not. So cool to see you are now friends with the family and have formed a great working relationship! I have been getting my pork there for years, and it is by far the best I’ve had! Good luck with the new addition to Gold Shaw farm!!
cook the eggs if your feeding them often, raw eggs will make them defficient in certain mineral. look it up for better details
Morgan, move the Pigloo and the water barrel against the fence. The pigs need the space in the middle
Thought the same
I love all your videos and this is the first video where the approach appears to be cruel. The piglets have undergone so many changes in one day. The electric fence training area is too small and/or not configured well. Perhaps putting wires on two sides for a couple of days, until they start to associate the wires with the pain would help alleviate the small area they are in. I feel so badly watching them scream and feeling their fear... especially when I know they could learn the lesson in an easier, more logical manner with a little bit of patience.
Agree! From the guy taking them by the back feet to the smallest pen
It’s temporary..he says a couple of weeks for training..
@@PrettyKitty_210 Temporarily causing them such fear is unnecessary. Pigs are smart. They should be treated with compassion. Always. Temporary situation or not!
Good luck with the pigs. You are going to need it. I really dont see this going well. You are going to be spending tons of your time on them
Pigloo, lol, I like it! Well this is going to be a whole new set of fun and adventure. I'm thinking you are eventually going to move your fence line farther out into the wooded area because the bears and such would find these guys hard to resist. Congratulations Morgan, thanks for taking us along.
They catch colds; hopefully it was a warm day. They are much more sensitive than cows, dogs and chickens.
My 2 cents is please give them a bigger pen, absolutely do not feed them dead rodents, and give them plenty of shade from the sun. They get sunburned easily and it’s very painful for them. Also I remember the stink from their 💩 is awful. Every time the wind blew it was awful. Neighbors down the road could smell it. Good bye to fresh country air. Good luck.
Justin Rhodes, Al & Gina (Lumnah Acres) who live close to you there, and Pete & Hillary (Just a few Acres Farm) who are also close by are great examples of how to set this stuff up. Justin and Pete do a lot of timber/brush grazing and may have some videos that will help a lot to avoid some issues that they have had. Pete has been doing this for quite a bit of time so he's a master here.
I think you need a bigger pen, they can hardly turn around without touching the wire. It would be too small for even two pigs. Otherwise, it’s a pretty nice set up.
Justin’s pig port was smaller, but not electric.
Great musical accompaniment for chasing down the piglets. Nicely done.
Seems like you have it all figured out. Looks like a good setup. The only thing I am unsure of is feeding them mice. Mice is known to carry and spread deseases.
Good Afternoon, Morgan! Pigs coming to Gold/Shaw Farms! Hello, Ben! Piglets! Three Piglets! Pig Pen! Poor Piggies! Welcome, Piggies to your new home! Good Luck 🍀👍! Entertaining! Thank-you! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
One advice, please don't feed the pigs Meat or dead animals, any kind , when you butscher them, the meat will smell and taste rotten
Piggie adventures! whee!!! There'll be no shortage of shenanigans on the farm!
Awesome journey Morgan. Can't wait to see what comes next. The cows were a treat, now these little piggies. Amazing work. Keep 'er goin' Morgan!
😂 got all the patience in the world for you guys . Next sence ok off you go throwing them off the back of the pick up .😂😂😂
Morgan
I think your space for 3 pigs is way too small. That's why they keep running into it. They need more room. And yes, the mouse or rat idea, NOT GOOD!!
You can train them with one wire, on one side of the fence only. You put them in a spiders web of electric fence.
The piglets are adorable. How about naming them after The Andrew's Sisters? -- Patty, Maxene, and LaVerne?
I thought of the Powerpuff girls or the Charmed sisters
Morgan,
If youre going to plant asparagus you should onow it doesn't produce for the first 3-5 years, and each plant only produces a few spears a season after that.
Still worth it though if you dont mind waiting.
Sincerely,
Someone who grows both.
"Thumbelina". It's be hilarious when she's huge. 😂
Damnit Morgan...wee wee wee all the way home! 🤣🤣🤣Loving the pigloo and it seems that they are figuring out their new digs!
I just agree with everyone else. They seem to be running each other into the fences and causing a lot of stress for no reason.
Pigs are very smart! They can learn more ‘tricks’ than dogs. We used to have a couple on our farm- they would sit, stay, and roll over for belly rubs.
I was thinking about your ball experiment with the cattle- my friend uses big soft exercise balls, he says they need big balls to play with to suit their size.
Take your time....he said. I have plenty of patience for you....he said. Twenty seconds later, Morgan unceremoniously launches the piglets out of the back of the truck! LOL!
I saw that. What happened to the time?
Hi.... Morgan nice to see you love watching your videos homestead. New pig is in your farm that great, thank you 👋 bye 👋 bye 👋 bye 👋 👕🐔🐓🐣🐥🐩🐩🐈🐄🐖🐝🌱🏡🎥👍👍👍
I can't even watch this. That is NOT enough room to have an electric fence surrounding them. I used to raise pigs. I covered my eyes when you turned the electric on. I knew they would panic and run right over to the other side. You should have put it outside the fence so they would touch it when they poked their nose through. I wouldn't give them moldy food either, just take a second and cut the mold off. This was a little upsetting for me.
FYI, the way to move smaller pigs that will inflict the least amount of damage is by the rear legs. The rear legs in pigs have sockets, the front legs do not.
LOL I think it was supposed to be expected but I was still surprised that the pigs were calmer than I thought xD They actually ended up napping when you got back to the farm and didnt start panicking the moment they woke up xD;;;.
this screaming brings back memories. Aww 🥺
I think the pigs should get German names, cause they remind me of the pigs in Shrek and the fairytale of the three little pigs. Really nice video! Can't wait to see what impact they have on the land.
Fyi feeding your pigs mice is a good way to give them worms. I would just compost the mice molly leaves.
this is a little disappointing. as a former pig farmer, it'd be nice to see these have a larger temporary area to acclimate with outgoing through the trauma of being zapped every second because of the space issue. but also as a former pig farmer, I understand just as much as anyone that bringing any new animal onto the farm is a learning process. hopefully they are out of there sooner than later and are given some true space and comfort.