Gary Kildall had one of the most kind and sincere smiles I've ever seen. He brought positive vibe in the show "Computer Chronicles". Too bad he died so young. He seems like a real nice guy. RIP Gary Kildall :(
Gary, although I doubt he would admit it, was the most successful ethical businessperson in the advent of the PC. The idea that a guy would bother to cohost (extremely well!) what might be called a glorified public access TV show in the midst of his success is amazing. You can tell by watching CC that he was as entranced by the early PC rise as the rest of us hobbyists. Thanks Gary!
It extremely rare that a intelligent man of integrity becomes financially successful. Usually his intellect and morals chain him from making the needed decisions to compete in a ruthless business world. Making money is better suited for the simpler minds. Gary was the exception. Of course I am assuming many things, I never knew Gary personally.
samuel clingan Bill Gates single handedly wasted more hours of people's lives than any other person in history. Of course I am talking about his Windows product and its artificial dominance in the market. World would have been a much better place if he never existed.
LOL exactaly, people keep saying he has shaped the future, well that is bull shit, it was gary kildall, then ibm and intel tricked gary into getting his OS/code and giving it to bill gates so there is no competition just shitty windows, i am tired of all this shit. windows ruins my fun gaming experience with virtual memory and and f!@#$ing paging. and the funny part is that no body gives a damn, cause they are all lazy and not ready for change. i cant wait till i put them out of business.
samuel clingan Windows after 2000 is derived from DEC VAX. A operating system similar to UNIX. Bill Gates acquired it and managed to screw it up. Keep in mind both Gates and Jobs have very little knowledge of computer science.
Nearly 25 years after his death, we still mourn and remember Gary with fondness. If Gates were to drop death tomorrow, half the world would laugh, the other half would shrug, and in a few years he would be almost completely forgotten.
@@DJKinney Im from future as well, and you judge Gates by rumors/lies spread out by Fascist Moscow regime. Gates was a ruthless businessman but as said in this video, he has very high ethical values. He himself as a richest person on planet donated huge part of his fortune for philanthropic projects and encouraged others wealthy to not accumulate money on one spot and return it to "system" so it will stay afloat, and do it most preferably by sending the founds to the most needed. Only a dumb person can believe that Gates is behind COVID19 pandemic, or that he even spent money for its "fabrication", are you a one?
After watching The Computer Chronicles for so many years, Stewart and Gary almost feel like old friends. Sometimes I miss the old days where there were so many different companies competing with each other and coming up with new stuff. Nowadays the market just feels stagnant especially the past 5-6 years.
As someone who started with a TRS-80 in 1981, I'm with you on that. I've been playing around with stuff like Raspberry Pis and other SoC single board computers, which is where a lot of cool stuff is happening. A number of decent kickstarter stuff has been interesting. But operating systems have become quite boring--even Linux. I actually un-mothballed my old HP-UX PA-RISC and IBM P-series workstations not long ago to get a reminder of some good times with UNIX.
Remember when personal computers first started going mainstream, and the plenitude of computer magazines that cropped up? Now there are maybe one or two left.
Markets,like Chronicals, were a v.long time&dimension ago,you need appreciate that before you do these crazy hangs of invite your own whole too be exacted and involved Whaley too,look at the nut job above you tending classifieds for bad read spy Unknown totalled consume you you might just sign off with too,crazed use,company FORM, is that proGress,or too bad?
Looking back, this was a great show and that was largely down to the hosts. Would have been easy, especially for Kildall, to let his ego get in the way and dominate, even patronize the guests. But he was always humble and courteous and obviously wanted to do his best for the guests to get their message across. Great show.
Gary is a legend and always so humble and came across as such a kind person ... But he doesn't get the recognition he deserves... RIP to a great talent
The circumstances of his death is cause for concern. The fact that he was in and out of the hospital the week he died, the blunt force trauma to the head noted and indications he also had a heart attack are all very concerning to most people. I'm honestly shocked at how no one thought that was strange enough to investigate more.
Caroline Lato Just read your article and I appreciate you sharing it. I don’t believe I had seen that one before, but as far as I know they never declared it a homicide as a result of that investigation.
I miss having not been aware of Mr. Kildall, a morally upright, friendly, kind man by all accounts. Sometimes better personal quality are less effective in business' cutthroat environment.
On July 8, 1994, Kildall fell at a Monterey, California biker bar and hit his head.[23] The exact circumstances of the injury remain unclear. He had been an alcoholic in his later years.[12][24] Various sources have claimed he fell from a chair, fell down steps, or was assaulted because he walked into the Franklin Street Bar & Grill wearing Harley-Davidson leathers.[9] He checked in and out of the hospital twice, and died three days later at the Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula. An autopsy the next day did not conclusively determine a cause of death.[22][25] A CP/M Usenet FAQ says he was concussed from the fall and died of a heart attack, the connection between the two unclear.[26] He is buried in Evergreen Washelli Memorial Park in north Seattle. (Wikipedia)
Robert Long I feel quite sure I could spin more fish too you but as you e no bread and spend it on this fake cash you use too comment with in no utter give than your own totally wasted sin tax ?
i believe it!! i totally beleive it.. humanity makes me so pissed off. we have these exceptional people among us and somehow some asshole has to go and screw it up for everyone else
Developer of CP/M-86 CP/M works with PL/M - a high level compiler PL/M works with Intel 8088 mp. c Function: 1 handle data storage on paper tape 2 handle floppy disk 3 as a machine language programs : 1 text editor 2 assembler 3 debugger - later added. Page 4 - 13 Lu-pa = forget
Do you know this brutal story? Once there was a reunion of the most important people in computers in his university of Washington. Bill Gates was honored all ways possible and Gary was totally ignored by his own university. That would drive me insane too, what the hell!
Actually..., The OS we use today, The games we play today, The emails we write to somebody else, The videos which have been made today or being made today, Everything...., At last.... the computers we use today, All because of this guy... Note : (Bill gates is nothing without this guy.. Even DOS was invented by this guy!!!!! People doesn't even know this guy! Who have changed this world...
I always wondered what happened to Gary when he was no longer co-hosting Computer Chronicles. He brought so much insight while on the show and had such good on-screen chemistry with Stewart. It seems like Gary's death is still a mystery. So sad to hear. He was a pure innovator.
Indirectly, via Seattle Computer Products.... Tim Paterson always denied copying CP/M, but admits he had the CP/M source code manual on hand when he wrote QDOS, aka MS-DOS.
i imagine gary had very few people he met that knew wtf he was talking about or doing because hes so smart. so when he found someone like bill gates who actually understood the language, gary prob spilled everything to him and others like him in a excitement for the passion of what he loved doing. and those people learned from it and applied those ideas to their own
Gary seems to be one of the forgotten pioneers of the PC industry, as Bill and the Steves lived on to present and made the most significant amount of money. The story of Gary was one I had not heard of until today. The OS he and his company made was ahead of both the MAC and Windows for both multi-tasking and a GUI. But we know IBM did do some back-end deals with Bill because of his family ties, thus the price difference and the fact most people are cheap, especially if they don't know the differences.
I don't think so... it never could have been, Gate and Jobs were brutal businessmen.... Kildall was a talended technician and scientist... and sadly, I think people were too hard on Kildall to the extent He may himself had forgotten who he was. Many of us don't have it in us to become Gates, the competitive sense and obsession to win at all cost.
Alcohol destroys people. Kildall was a smart and a great person and was described as creative and easy going. But he had problems and became an alcoholic and thought that alcohol would ease his pain. He fell in a biker bar (probably had a dispute of some kind; a smart guy like him should not have done that...) while being heavily drunk and was not assaulted. He fell on his head so heavily that he died 3 days later. He ignored the injuries and the doctor's advices and left the hospital by his own will 2 times. A mistake. What a tragedy.
Blab Blab Alchohol is what you have used too write with computer text across all the published places your notes get read too,this is the commentated Syntacts that is not word of mouth commonly spoken English as comes from a time&dimension very long ago related too some Americas and was a set of footage broadcast too many subjects how it has arisen long times later and look at all you get is a total non psychopath of hooray hen reads we can kill in be,liars.
It seems to be that MS-DOS and Windows only succeeded because of the advancements of processor speed and memory size. In other words, on software engineering alone, their products would have stagnated long ago because they were unable to produce efficient engineering. (Check out the Amiga series by Commodore.)
One of Microsoft’s most profitable early products was the CP/M card for the Apple II. It was a card with a Z80 processor bundled with a version of CP/M that allowed Apple II users to run the two big CP/M applications, WordStar and dBase II. It was very popular. Digital Research played a big part in Microsoft’s success.
An amazing video. It helps document Kildall's seminal contribution to the PC. But it doesn't change the view that Digital Research blew it by not immediately signing IBM's absurd non-disclosure as Gates did. That 'rebuke' gave Gates the ball. Ironically, IBM would have been far better off partnering with Kildall than with Gates. Gates, a genius, ruthless businessman, rather than the genius computer nerd as he is usually thought of, eventually killed off IBM's PC. And likely, the software industry would have been better with Kildall than with Gates leading it.
For those of you screaming about how IBM and Microsoft conspired against DRI, no, that's just wrong. DRI brought it to themselves. IBM has little to do with it. Microsoft even less so. DRI and Microsoft both signed a contract with IBM. The broad strokes are similar: Giving IBM the right to redistribute CP/M or MS-DOS on IBM computer. But details are important. Microsoft only wanted a flat fee. IBM paid them $10000, then they can resell/redistribute MS-DOS freely, no strings attached. DRI wanted a pay on royalty basis. Basically, IBM had to pay them $10000, and then $200 more for every copy of CP/M IBM sold. Obviously, this $200 is going to fall on someone, and IBM had to sell CP/M at a higher price point to make up for the royalty. Meanwhile, MS-DOS didn't have any royalty attached to it so IBM sold it at $40 a copy. So no, the deck wasn't stacked against anyone, and even if it were, DRI stacked against themselves.
Yup, you got the facts right... but I still think Gates was very ruthless, if not unethical. That ex-IBMer was also right about MS-DOS actually being SCP's Quick Dirty Operating System, and how IBM's PC would be cloned, because it was all non-IBM hardware.... he knew all this when IBM first announced the PC. He advised me NOT to buy an IBM PC, and I'm glad I didn't. As I recall, Compaq built the first 'clone', but that's another story.....
In this video at 19:00 Tom Rolander says that was IBM to set the price of the CP/M-86 to 240$ (similar to the price of the 8-bit version), against a price of the PC-DOS of 40$. It is qute strange that a software publisher that sign a commercial deal with another company is unaware of the final price of it's product, and even that when it becomes aware of it, does nothing about it, not even a threat of tearing up the contract, quite strange, isn't ? The author Merrill R. Chapman in it's 2003 book "In Search of Stupidity" (ISBN 1590591046, 9781590591048) in chapter 2 writes that at "CP/M East" fair of autumn 1983 he, that at the time was product manager at MicroPro (the producer of WordStar) and oher people fron other companies that was lauching the CP/M-86 versions of their softwares, chased Kildall to beg him to re evaulate the price of the CP/M-86 to make it competitive against PC-DOS. In this situation Kildall stated that : "The CP/M-86 has the right price, market will understand the difference between a toy-OS and a professional product." And then going away. So I think that Kildall was personally responsable for this failure.
Bill didn't do anything wrong. IBM approached him for an OS. He told them that Microsoft doesn't do that, and they should talk to Gary Kildall. IBM's meeting with Gary's wife (and later Gary) didn't go well. IBM went back to talk to Bill. Bill drove across town and bought an OS called QDOS from Tim Paterson for $50,000. QDOS was tweaked and became MSDOS. Bill wasn't an angel, but he didn't do anything unethical.
If his wife did sign the a non-disclosure agreement we would still being using CP/M today , Microsoft jumped on it and did become what they are today , Microsoft might have not even been around today if not for her huge mass up
If you got off yer ASS and stop use of total shit eating you'd realise that these Chrinicles ought give you even if you have not got a nickel a word or a brain mind of computer able uses a lift off? CpM is a now of language you could use if you had a mini or a middleware computer which isn't far away if you want too do it is there,there are not non not unuse unthings other than what you keep on using computers for,scrawling utter crap?
Why is it titled "Gary Kildall's death" when out of 28 minutes there's only ONE sentence discussing it (and that's just to mention the year and his age)? Especially considering the unusual circumstances of his death - a possible homicide inside a biker bar... and circumstances never fully explained!
When I watch programs like this, I'm reminded that at one point, I didn't know that it WAS possible to major in computer science. I literally thought that people who worked with computers had picked up their knowledge on a hit and miss, trial and error, journey through the strange world of computers and that it had not been systematized into a formal body of knowledge. If I had known there WAS such a course of study, I'd have jumped on it, rather than pursuing the career path I took otherwise, which had nothing to do with computers. Live and learn, too late.
That lawsuit was over licensing, not plagiarism. SCP was in financial trouble and was going to sell it's DOS license to another company. Microsoft settled out of court - buying back it's DOS license from them. I'm not an MS fan-boy and I respect Gary, but Digital was already too established by then. They were too slow to port CPM to Intel's architecture. Someone had to step up. It's a huge grey area that continues today with ALL OSes.
Didn't seem the type to get into a "biker brawl" in a bar; I suspect he drunk heavily that day ; perhaps because he knew he had lost out on so much in the computer world; and staggered and tripped.
"Still, the barroom brawl story persists. I admit it’s more interesting. A forgotten inventor, bitter with his plight, went into a bar, got into a shoving match, fell, died a few days later, and no charges were ever filed. There’s an air of mystery and conspiracy about it. Maybe someone killed him to silence him, even! That’s a great story, one that even feels a bit like a Shakespearean tragedy. There’s only one problem with it. It’s not true. What really happened? A 52-year-old man walked into the Franklin Street Bar & Grill on Friday, July 8 and fell after being there a few minutes. He refused medical treatment initially. Then he realized afterward that something was wrong and did seek medical treatment. He died on Monday, and the autopsy showed he suffered a brain hemorrhage, caused by a previously undiagnosed blood clot. There’s a saying that says to never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Kildall never shook the CP/M airplane story in life, and can’t shake the barroom brawl story in death." Read more: dfarq.homeip.net/gary-kildalls-death-investigation/#ixzz5LNQSvX4M
@Vincent T. Ludicrous connections. FATHER Gates served under the U.S. Army for three years during World War II. After the war, Gates attended the University of Washington under the G.I. Bill,[1] earning a B.A. in 1949 and a J.D. degree in 1950. While at Washington he joined the Chi Psi fraternity. He co-founded Shidler & King in 1964, which later became Preston Gates & Ellis LLP (PGE). He practiced with the firm until 1998, when it was merged into the firm now known as K&L Gates (with which Bill Gates Sr. is not affiliated). Gates has served as president of both the Seattle/King County Bar Association and the Washington State Bar Association. He has also served on the boards of numerous Northwest organizations, including the Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce, King County United Way and Planned Parenthood. In 1995, he founded the Technology Alliance whose mission is to expand technology-based employment in Washington. In 1998, Gates retired from PGE. He served for fifteen years on the Board of Regents for the University of Washington, and is a co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,[1] which his son Bill and his daughter-in-law Melinda founded. He has served as a director for Costco Wholesale, a bulk retail corporation, since 2003. He is also a founding co-chair of the Pacific Health Summit.[8]
RRSYS.info - Roulette Prediction If you read Wikipedia...some say he was basically murdered by bikers for wearing the wrong outfit in the wrong bar. (seriously)
He developed a really bad alcoholism after being robbed by Microsoft and bill gates he couldn't take it anymore seeing them succeed they way he should have it's sad and I live in Seattle
***** On July 8, 1994, Kildall fell at a Monterey, California biker bar and hit his head.[16] The exact circumstances of the injury remain unclear; however, he had suffered problems with alcoholism in his later years.... if you must know, that info was taken from a PRO Gary Kildall book entitled "The Man Who Gave Bill Gates The World." How do oldschool comp nerds not know about Wikipedia 0_0?
Uhm, it's more evidence then a bunch of fanboys saying it never even happened. Umad? You also may want to brush up on your definition of "relevant" What i commented was a lot more relevant to the topic of discussion then you saying "he was a rly good worker, flew a plane, and hosted a computer show" None of that is proof that he wasn't an alchoholic. When it comes to the topic of his death the MANUSCRIPT you wrote to me is pretty friggen irrelevant if you ask me.
Microsoft had to pay Seattle Computer Products an additional $925,000 later, because Gates acted SO ethically! Epic lulz! Tim Paterson had the CP/M source code on hand when he wrote QDOS. Digital Research was advised their case couldn't be won, but they would later regret not suing. 30 years I mentioned the IBM PC to an ex-IBMer who told me QDOS stood for Quick Dirty Operating System, explained how it was IBM's first non-proprietary system, and forthcoming clones would be worth waiting for.
If Gary didn't put so much time and effort into Computer Chronicles, would he have been available to get the IBM contract to get CP/M on IBM PC's instead of Microsoft selling them DOS? It is interesting to think of the Computer Chronicles like an observer of computing history and that missed meeting and the huge shift from CP/M to Microsoft like the observer effect where an observer affects what it observes.
he was deep iside,,, but didnt want the spotlight,, or maybe couldnt handle,,,,anyways, the bill gates character was built from back in the 70s, and it was more "fantastic" as he was very very young etc
Gary Kildall had one of the most kind and sincere smiles I've ever seen. He brought positive vibe in the show "Computer Chronicles". Too bad he died so young. He seems like a real nice guy. RIP Gary Kildall :(
MegaBojan1993 zzz,it's not a 'show' It IS a chronical,for the use of,there's no personal info,def??!
@@stevebez2767huh?
RIP Gary Kildall. Such talent. He still doesn't get enough recognition today.
My computer life started on a Digital Rainbow 100 with two floppy drives, running CP/M. Hooked since day one. Thank you, mr. Kildall!
Gary, although I doubt he would admit it, was the most successful ethical businessperson in the advent of the PC. The idea that a guy would bother to cohost (extremely well!) what might be called a glorified public access TV show in the midst of his success is amazing. You can tell by watching CC that he was as entranced by the early PC rise as the rest of us hobbyists. Thanks Gary!
It extremely rare that a intelligent man of integrity becomes financially successful.
Usually his intellect and morals chain him from making the needed decisions to compete in a ruthless business world.
Making money is better suited for the simpler minds.
Gary was the exception.
Of course I am assuming many things, I never knew Gary personally.
+AirScholar Dan Bricklin would agree with you. Invented the spreadsheet, never made a penny.
+AirScholar F@#$ BILL GATES WOOP WOOP GARY for LIFE
samuel clingan
Bill Gates single handedly wasted more hours of people's lives than any other person in history.
Of course I am talking about his Windows product and its artificial dominance in the market.
World would have been a much better place if he never existed.
LOL exactaly, people keep saying he has shaped the future, well that is bull shit, it was gary kildall, then ibm and intel tricked gary into getting his OS/code and giving it to bill gates so there is no competition just shitty windows, i am tired of all this shit. windows ruins my fun gaming experience with virtual memory and and f!@#$ing paging. and the funny part is that no body gives a damn, cause they are all lazy and not ready for change. i cant wait till i put them out of business.
samuel clingan
Windows after 2000 is derived from DEC VAX. A operating system similar to UNIX. Bill Gates acquired it and managed to screw it up.
Keep in mind both Gates and Jobs have very little knowledge of computer science.
This guy invented the OS for PC
Nearly 25 years after his death, we still mourn and remember Gary with fondness. If Gates were to drop death tomorrow, half the world would laugh, the other half would shrug, and in a few years he would be almost completely forgotten.
I'm from the future. After the pandemic, you are more right than ever.
Gary was a legend, but this is silliness. Gates has been a key figure. He will not be quickly forgotten.
@@DJKinney Im from future as well, and you judge Gates by rumors/lies spread out by Fascist Moscow regime. Gates was a ruthless businessman but as said in this video, he has very high ethical values. He himself as a richest person on planet donated huge part of his fortune for philanthropic projects and encouraged others wealthy to not accumulate money on one spot and return it to "system" so it will stay afloat, and do it most preferably by sending the founds to the most needed. Only a dumb person can believe that Gates is behind COVID19 pandemic, or that he even spent money for its "fabrication", are you a one?
A scholar and a gentleman, that is priceless.
After watching The Computer Chronicles for so many years, Stewart and Gary almost feel like old friends.
Sometimes I miss the old days where there were so many different companies competing with each other and coming up with new stuff. Nowadays the market just feels stagnant especially the past 5-6 years.
As someone who started with a TRS-80 in 1981, I'm with you on that. I've been playing around with stuff like Raspberry Pis and other SoC single board computers, which is where a lot of cool stuff is happening. A number of decent kickstarter stuff has been interesting. But operating systems have become quite boring--even Linux. I actually un-mothballed my old HP-UX PA-RISC and IBM P-series workstations not long ago to get a reminder of some good times with UNIX.
Remember when personal computers first started going mainstream, and the plenitude of computer magazines that cropped up? Now there are maybe one or two left.
Markets,like Chronicals, were a v.long time&dimension ago,you need appreciate that before you do these crazy hangs of invite your own whole too be exacted and involved Whaley too,look at the nut job above you tending classifieds for bad read spy Unknown totalled consume you you might just sign off with too,crazed use,company FORM, is that proGress,or too bad?
Are you some kind of terrible AI that can barely speak coherent English, Steve Baez?
@@stevebez2767 say it again please, plain and simple, not computer speak. I'm looking for answers 🙏❤️
Looking back, this was a great show and that was largely down to the hosts. Would have been easy, especially for Kildall, to let his ego get in the way and dominate, even patronize the guests. But he was always humble and courteous and obviously wanted to do his best for the guests to get their message across.
Great show.
I cam to say this, thanks Paul.
I greatly respect Gary Kildall. The man was a genius, passionate, and from what I can tell, compassionate as well. He contributed much to this Earth.
@@alfa-psi Try harder, mron.
Rip Gary, I'm still using GEM 1.2 on my retro 80286 clone.
Gary is a legend and always so humble and came across as such a kind person ... But he doesn't get the recognition he deserves... RIP to a great talent
The circumstances of his death is cause for concern. The fact that he was in and out of the hospital the week he died, the blunt force trauma to the head noted and indications he also had a heart attack are all very concerning to most people. I'm honestly shocked at how no one thought that was strange enough to investigate more.
Caroline Lato Just read your article and I appreciate you sharing it. I don’t believe I had seen that one before, but as far as I know they never declared it a homicide as a result of that investigation.
Makes you wonder if he was taken out.
I agree. He was murdered
Everyone thinks they know more than the investigators. Yes, it's fun to believe it was a conspiracy and that he was murdered...yadda, yadda, yadda.
@@Fizbin32111 We aren’t trying to cover it up, he was murdered.
I miss having not been aware of Mr. Kildall, a morally upright, friendly, kind man by all accounts. Sometimes better personal quality are less effective in business' cutthroat environment.
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From what I read, he CREATED the Graphics Environment Manager, which ATARI used for the ST computer models. It was a great operating system.
On July 8, 1994, Kildall fell at a Monterey, California biker bar and hit his head.[23] The exact circumstances of the injury remain unclear. He had been an alcoholic in his later years.[12][24] Various sources have claimed he fell from a chair, fell down steps, or was assaulted because he walked into the Franklin Street Bar & Grill wearing Harley-Davidson leathers.[9] He checked in and out of the hospital twice, and died three days later at the Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula. An autopsy the next day did not conclusively determine a cause of death.[22][25] A CP/M Usenet FAQ says he was concussed from the fall and died of a heart attack, the connection between the two unclear.[26] He is buried in Evergreen Washelli Memorial Park in north Seattle. (Wikipedia)
Robert Long I feel quite sure I could spin more fish too you but as you e no bread and spend it on this fake cash you use too comment with in no utter give than your own totally wasted sin tax ?
Gary would have loved smart phones. Breaks my heart. Genius engineer and programmer, genuine nice guy.
...and FPV drones, VR....
Kildall would still be innovating today in some way or another even at the age of 74 no doubt about it.
i believe it!! i totally beleive it.. humanity makes me so pissed off. we have these exceptional people among us and somehow some asshole has to go and screw it up for everyone else
Yes, wonder what he would have come up with
he would have loved the touch interfaces and iphone. he would have been hooked.
Gary Kildall was a great man and great journalist. Thanks Gary for all you did for everyone and all the Computer Chronicles.
Gary was the most recognizable face I ever saw
Developer of CP/M-86
CP/M works with PL/M - a high level compiler
PL/M works with Intel 8088 mp. c
Function:
1 handle data storage on paper tape
2 handle floppy disk
3 as a machine language programs : 1 text editor 2 assembler 3 debugger - later added.
Page 4 - 13
Lu-pa = forget
The whole story should make us thankful for Free and Open Source software, because software is as vital to humanity as any major "language".
Do you know this brutal story? Once there was a reunion of the most important people in computers in his university of Washington. Bill Gates was honored all ways possible and Gary was totally ignored by his own university. That would drive me insane too, what the hell!
Actually...,
The OS we use today,
The games we play today,
The emails we write to somebody else,
The videos which have been made today or being made today,
Everything....,
At last.... the computers we use today,
All because of this guy...
Note :
(Bill gates is nothing without this guy..
Even DOS was invented by this guy!!!!!
People doesn't even know this guy!
Who have changed this world...
If this is true (I have no reason to refute your claim) he was taken out.
We miss you thanks vor cp/m and Many more Things!
Thanks also Stewart Cheifet for this Special Edition of CC.
Gary, was a pioneer, a legend
R.I.P Mr. Kildall
TheILLTechnics what? Are you requesting too meet them?
I always wondered what happened to Gary when he was no longer co-hosting Computer Chronicles. He brought so much insight while on the show and had such good on-screen chemistry with Stewart. It seems like Gary's death is still a mystery. So sad to hear. He was a pure innovator.
RIP, father of modern OS. You are remembered.
Indirectly, via Seattle Computer Products....
Tim Paterson always denied copying CP/M, but admits he had the CP/M source code manual on hand when he wrote QDOS, aka MS-DOS.
A great yet tragic figure. Assholes wins, nice guys die early and history repeats itself in this way.
i imagine gary had very few people he met that knew wtf he was talking about or doing because hes so smart. so when he found someone like bill gates who actually understood the language, gary prob spilled everything to him and others like him in a excitement for the passion of what he loved doing. and those people learned from it and applied those ideas to their own
wow this man was a genius
Gary seems to be one of the forgotten pioneers of the PC industry, as Bill and the Steves lived on to present and made the most significant amount of money. The story of Gary was one I had not heard of until today. The OS he and his company made was ahead of both the MAC and Windows for both multi-tasking and a GUI. But we know IBM did do some back-end deals with Bill because of his family ties, thus the price difference and the fact most people are cheap, especially if they don't know the differences.
Aww I didn't know he had passed until seeing this video.... RIP Gary Kildall
He seemed like a really great guy. Thanks for posting.
Gary Kildall should have been the one to come up on top,in a perfect world at least.
I don't think so... it never could have been, Gate and Jobs were brutal businessmen.... Kildall was a talended technician and scientist... and sadly, I think people were too hard on Kildall to the extent He may himself had forgotten who he was. Many of us don't have it in us to become Gates, the competitive sense and obsession to win at all cost.
To bad this show was not still on , it had high rating in 2002 but was cut
Alcohol destroys people. Kildall was a smart and a great person and was described as creative and easy going. But he had problems and became an alcoholic and thought that alcohol would ease his pain. He fell in a biker bar (probably had a dispute of some kind; a smart guy like him should not have done that...) while being heavily drunk and was not assaulted. He fell on his head so heavily that he died 3 days later. He ignored the injuries and the doctor's advices and left the hospital by his own will 2 times. A mistake. What a tragedy.
Blab Blab Alchohol is what you have used too write with computer text across all the published places your notes get read too,this is the commentated Syntacts that is not word of mouth commonly spoken English as comes from a time&dimension very long ago related too some Americas and was a set of footage broadcast too many subjects how it has arisen long times later and look at all you get is a total non psychopath of hooray hen reads we can kill in be,liars.
It seems to be that MS-DOS and Windows only succeeded because of the advancements of processor speed and memory size. In other words, on software engineering alone, their products would have stagnated long ago because they were unable to produce efficient engineering. (Check out the Amiga series by Commodore.)
steve-o l windows succeeded because they would buy other people's software for ibm/windows PCs
This video is a tremendous piece of history!!
CP/M. Amiga. OS/2. It's hard to watch better players loose because of the bad management decisions :(
JNSSS where & when are you attempting too use Unknown bad score slang bad word goods for? If things are unreported doesn't mean such isn't exsist ant?
One of Microsoft’s most profitable early products was the CP/M card for the Apple II. It was a card with a Z80 processor bundled with a version of CP/M that allowed Apple II users to run the two big CP/M applications, WordStar and dBase II. It was very popular. Digital Research played a big part in Microsoft’s success.
An amazing video. It helps document Kildall's seminal contribution to the PC. But it doesn't change the view that Digital Research blew it by not immediately signing IBM's absurd non-disclosure as Gates did. That 'rebuke' gave Gates the ball. Ironically, IBM would have been far better off partnering with Kildall than with Gates. Gates, a genius, ruthless businessman, rather than the genius computer nerd as he is usually thought of, eventually killed off IBM's PC. And likely, the software industry would have been better with Kildall than with Gates leading it.
For those of you screaming about how IBM and Microsoft conspired against DRI, no, that's just wrong. DRI brought it to themselves. IBM has little to do with it. Microsoft even less so.
DRI and Microsoft both signed a contract with IBM. The broad strokes are similar: Giving IBM the right to redistribute CP/M or MS-DOS on IBM computer. But details are important.
Microsoft only wanted a flat fee. IBM paid them $10000, then they can resell/redistribute MS-DOS freely, no strings attached.
DRI wanted a pay on royalty basis. Basically, IBM had to pay them $10000, and then $200 more for every copy of CP/M IBM sold.
Obviously, this $200 is going to fall on someone, and IBM had to sell CP/M at a higher price point to make up for the royalty. Meanwhile, MS-DOS didn't have any royalty attached to it so IBM sold it at $40 a copy.
So no, the deck wasn't stacked against anyone, and even if it were, DRI stacked against themselves.
A computer guy shouldn't have ever been picking fights in a seedy biker bar.
Honour Kildall, setup a computer that runs CP/M in your house... do spreadsheets or run wordstar on it... its still usefull.
1:10 Holy shit not only does ivanhoffman.com still exist, it looks like it hasn't been updated since this came out...
"Web design law". Surely this web design must be illegal somewhere...
A great tribute to a great man.
This video is of better quality available on the YT channel The Computer Chronicles.
🙏RIP🕊️
Yup, you got the facts right... but I still think Gates was very ruthless, if not unethical.
That ex-IBMer was also right about MS-DOS actually being SCP's Quick Dirty Operating System, and how IBM's PC would be cloned, because it was all non-IBM hardware.... he knew all this when IBM first announced the PC. He advised me NOT to buy an IBM PC, and I'm glad I didn't.
As I recall, Compaq built the first 'clone', but that's another story.....
As a programmer who is also an active pilot I can relate. I'm sure Woz would too,.
I didn't know there was an episode about his death.
In this video at 19:00 Tom Rolander says that was IBM to set the price of the CP/M-86 to 240$ (similar to the price of the 8-bit version), against a price of the PC-DOS of 40$. It is qute strange that a software publisher that sign a commercial deal with another company is unaware of the final price of it's product, and even that when it becomes aware of it, does nothing about it, not even a threat of tearing up the contract, quite strange, isn't ?
The author Merrill R. Chapman in it's 2003 book "In Search of Stupidity" (ISBN 1590591046, 9781590591048) in chapter 2 writes that at "CP/M East" fair of autumn 1983 he, that at the time was product manager at MicroPro (the producer of WordStar) and oher people fron other companies that was lauching the CP/M-86 versions of their softwares, chased Kildall to beg him to re evaulate the price of the CP/M-86 to make it competitive against PC-DOS. In this situation Kildall stated that : "The CP/M-86 has the right price, market will understand the difference between a toy-OS and a professional product." And then going away.
So I think that Kildall was personally responsable for this failure.
Bill didn't do anything wrong.
IBM approached him for an OS. He told them that Microsoft doesn't do that, and they should talk to Gary Kildall.
IBM's meeting with Gary's wife (and later Gary) didn't go well.
IBM went back to talk to Bill. Bill drove across town and bought an OS called QDOS from Tim Paterson for $50,000. QDOS was tweaked and became MSDOS.
Bill wasn't an angel, but he didn't do anything unethical.
I was an early user of Gary's PL/M. Great language based on PL-1
A very mysterious death
it's all about those special instances in life witch makes a difference (The IBM Microsoft deal)
Intel Most likely had something to do with his death !!
Great episode about a great pioneer
Wow... *_The Myth of The Missed Phone Call_* busted.
Excellent show.
I cannot imagen Gary laughing at the retardeness of work of bill and Steve jobs.
Gary Kildall the competition.
Groan
All good people die ....all good people lose 😢💔
Everything was more nice back in time. Period!
Ohhh, he's the guay Bill ripped off.
Exactly he got robbed by bill it's sad
If his wife did sign the a non-disclosure agreement we would still being using CP/M today , Microsoft jumped on it and did become what they are today , Microsoft might have not even been around today if not for her huge mass up
If you got off yer ASS and stop use of total shit eating you'd realise that these Chrinicles ought give you even if you have not got a nickel a word or a brain mind of computer able uses a lift off? CpM is a now of language you could use if you had a mini or a middleware computer which isn't far away if you want too do it is there,there are not non not unuse unthings other than what you keep on using computers for,scrawling utter crap?
@@stevebez2767 nothing you said makes any sense
so isn't killing dolls a reputation
Why is it titled "Gary Kildall's death" when out of 28 minutes there's only ONE sentence discussing it (and that's just to mention the year and his age)? Especially considering the unusual circumstances of his death - a possible homicide inside a biker bar... and circumstances never fully explained!
At 8:36, it's Lotus 1-2-3, right ? And at 8:39, it's dBase surely. But it's not complete without showing another legend : Wordstar.
A better version is posted on the Computer Chronicles youtube channel th-cam.com/video/Tdj8gh9GPc4/w-d-xo.html
When I watch programs like this, I'm reminded that at one point, I didn't know that it WAS possible to major in computer science. I literally thought that people who worked with computers had picked up their knowledge on a hit and miss, trial and error, journey through the strange world of computers and that it had not been systematized into a formal body of knowledge. If I had known there WAS such a course of study, I'd have jumped on it, rather than pursuing the career path I took otherwise, which had nothing to do with computers. Live and learn, too late.
Ark II . . . intergalactic research
That lawsuit was over licensing, not plagiarism. SCP was in financial trouble and was going to sell it's DOS license to another company. Microsoft settled out of court - buying back it's DOS license from them.
I'm not an MS fan-boy and I respect Gary, but Digital was already too established by then. They were too slow to port CPM to Intel's architecture. Someone had to step up.
It's a huge grey area that continues today with ALL OSes.
Thank you Gary kildall sir❤
Didn't seem the type to get into a "biker brawl" in a bar; I suspect he drunk heavily that day ; perhaps because he knew he had lost out on so much in the computer world; and staggered and tripped.
Very dense episode… But I wouldn’t have ended with a quote from Bill Gates!
Gary Kildall Special 1995
I came just to laugh and get high with the ancient cpu's instead! i'm being bumbed out about Gary while i'm high, buming me out man : /
Who's gary?
"Still, the barroom brawl story persists. I admit it’s more interesting. A forgotten inventor, bitter with his plight, went into a bar, got into a shoving match, fell, died a few days later, and no charges were ever filed. There’s an air of mystery and conspiracy about it. Maybe someone killed him to silence him, even! That’s a great story, one that even feels a bit like a Shakespearean tragedy. There’s only one problem with it. It’s not true.
What really happened? A 52-year-old man walked into the Franklin Street Bar & Grill on Friday, July 8 and fell after being there a few minutes. He refused medical treatment initially. Then he realized afterward that something was wrong and did seek medical treatment. He died on Monday, and the autopsy showed he suffered a brain hemorrhage, caused by a previously undiagnosed blood clot.
There’s a saying that says to never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Kildall never shook the CP/M airplane story in life, and can’t shake the barroom brawl story in death."
Read more: dfarq.homeip.net/gary-kildalls-death-investigation/#ixzz5LNQSvX4M
@Vincent T.
Ludicrous connections.
FATHER
Gates served under the U.S. Army for three years during World War II.
After the war, Gates attended the University of Washington under the G.I. Bill,[1] earning a B.A. in 1949 and a J.D. degree in 1950. While at Washington he joined the Chi Psi fraternity.
He co-founded Shidler & King in 1964, which later became Preston Gates & Ellis LLP (PGE).
He practiced with the firm until 1998, when it was merged into the firm now known as K&L Gates (with which Bill Gates Sr. is not affiliated).
Gates has served as president of both the Seattle/King County Bar Association and the Washington State Bar Association.
He has also served on the boards of numerous Northwest organizations, including the Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce, King County United Way and Planned Parenthood.
In 1995, he founded the Technology Alliance whose mission is to expand technology-based employment in Washington.
In 1998, Gates retired from PGE. He served for fifteen years on the Board of Regents for the University of Washington, and is a co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,[1] which his son Bill and his daughter-in-law Melinda founded. He has served as a director for Costco Wholesale, a bulk retail corporation, since 2003. He is also a founding co-chair of the Pacific Health Summit.[8]
poor poor guy
:(
Gary Kildall, the one!
So how did he die?
RIP Gary Kildall!
Why they never explained how he died. I read it was a drunken fall and bash his head. RIP
RRSYS.info - Roulette Prediction If you read Wikipedia...some say he was basically murdered by bikers for wearing the wrong outfit in the wrong bar. (seriously)
I certainly didn't expect that ! Bikers are not to be messed with Tho.
Did the bikers ever go to jail? What if they were paid to kill Gary? Would we ever know?
Bikers are unsophisticated so unlikely they even knew who he was, other than not one of them, not even a blue collar type.
Too bad DR-DOS didn't win out.
DR-DOS 6.0 was amazing. I used it exclusively. I tested many different makes of DOS, and it was the best in my opinion.
dfortae - Game Reviews Fully agreed. I ran it on a 286 and it was great. Microsoft's OS still sucks.
MS-DOS 6.22 for me. I still use it.
He developed a really bad alcoholism after being robbed by Microsoft and bill gates he couldn't take it anymore seeing them succeed they way he should have it's sad and I live in Seattle
wht gary kildall death taught is this is not an ideal world.. u need to be selfish nd thought like gates.. only then u will be recognized
THE INTRO IS FROM 1998, NOT FROM 1989 OR 1995
1995 and 1998 have slightly different intros.
fean Agree. Intro should be from 1995 or 1989!
Gary Kildall, or did all kill him? LOL
wtf
+hallerd Kildall sounds like "killed all"
Wow
I realized that now having known him for an hour now
U are a genius of our own
INTERESTING VIDEO.
How did Gary die?. A sincere question.
Blunt force trauma to the head. See the Wikipedia page for more info.
thanx
Solo Gals he loved motorcycles and drinking....
***** On July 8, 1994, Kildall fell at a Monterey, California biker bar and hit his head.[16] The exact circumstances of the injury remain unclear; however, he had suffered problems with alcoholism in his later years.... if you must know, that info was taken from a PRO Gary Kildall book entitled "The Man Who Gave Bill Gates The World." How do oldschool comp nerds not know about Wikipedia 0_0?
Uhm, it's more evidence then a bunch of fanboys saying it never even happened. Umad? You also may want to brush up on your definition of "relevant" What i commented was a lot more relevant to the topic of discussion then you saying "he was a rly good worker, flew a plane, and hosted a computer show" None of that is proof that he wasn't an alchoholic. When it comes to the topic of his death the MANUSCRIPT you wrote to me is pretty friggen irrelevant if you ask me.
Ya,how to call a Linux Menominee meme guy all the way back too mainframe mid range and more!!!GK,eh
I must say the comments seem to think Gates was responsible.
I think he needed to go to make way for Windows 95.
Hurdles
Microsoft had to pay Seattle Computer Products an additional $925,000 later, because Gates acted SO ethically!
Epic lulz!
Tim Paterson had the CP/M source code on hand when he wrote QDOS. Digital Research was advised their case couldn't be won, but they would later regret not suing.
30 years I mentioned the IBM PC to an ex-IBMer who told me QDOS stood for Quick Dirty Operating System, explained how it was IBM's first non-proprietary system, and forthcoming clones would be worth waiting for.
If Gary didn't put so much time and effort into Computer Chronicles, would he have been available to get the IBM contract to get CP/M on IBM PC's instead of Microsoft selling them DOS? It is interesting to think of the Computer Chronicles like an observer of computing history and that missed meeting and the huge shift from CP/M to Microsoft like the observer effect where an observer affects what it observes.
he was deep iside,,, but didnt want the spotlight,, or maybe couldnt handle,,,,anyways, the bill gates character was built from back in the 70s, and it was more "fantastic" as he was very very young etc