Not necessarily the topic here, but up until this year the WNBA was a running joke. Literally the butt of jokes on late night TV, mocked and scorned as a "welfare league" and couldn't fill seats even if the tickets were free. Now we have certain WNBA team games going head to head with the freaking NFL and drawing millions of viewers. What changed? Can't not credit the change to Caitlin Clark with any degree of intellectual honesty. Now MVP, who is the most VALUABLE player? The player with a record 27 points, who is a great rebounder and defender (but team got worse) OR the player who with a record number of assists with a team that massively improved and, by the way, almost single-handedly transformed the entire league from the aforementioned joke to a legitimate sports league? We know where the votes are going to go, just because the former player was anointed MVP before the season started, but who is truly the most VALUABLE player?
MVP isn’t a popularity contest and this massively improved logic is also a misnomer. Aliyah Boston added 8 wins to the Fever record in her rookie year and took them from the worst offensive rating to the 6th best offensive rating. CC added 7 extra wins to the Fever record this year and took them from 6th in offensive rating to 3rd in offensive rating. The defensive rating has stayed at 11th for both of their rookie years. Fever are 4-16 against teams over .500 which is the same as the LA Sparks who are the worst team in the league. Idk any criteria traditionally and historically used in MVP rankings in which CC is higher than 5th. I have her 4th, but even I can admit, it’s only because I watched her games more but that should never be used in an MVP debate. Once I watched more teams, I realised there are players who are much better and more impactful offensively and defensively.
Agreed. Meaningless most of it. And to all of us here from the start, start of this season i mean. Then Clark is easily the "most valuable" and the playoffs are not a photo opportunity. In it to win it.
"@bongo",,, I totally agree, she doesn't seem to live in a bubble but definitely well grounded and Shuts-out the Noise,,, "been there-done that" type of awareness. Definitely a Keeper,,, ❤
Historic Rookie year breaking records left and right... and this is at her worst. This is an insane start... gives new meaning to the word Generational. And yet, all she cares about is winning. And getting better for the sole purpose of destroying all her opponents. She's a great person, but she's a hardcore killer on the court. If I was anyone else not on her team, I'd be terrified of her.
@@Rondigity92 The main reason is their defense simply got worse from last year. They also didn’t have a point guard for half the season since Gray was injured. For most of the season it was A’ja Wilson or bust.
@@danielday3374 meanwhile the fever went from last to 6th, and not only did Clark lead the team she also generated opportunities for players like Kelsey Mitchell to shine alongside her. Who makes their "team" better? And who's "team" makes them better?? That's the real question that should be considered when talkin mvp
@@Rondigity92 Fever are 4-16 against teams over .500. This is the same record as the Sparks who are the worst team in the league. Idk any MVP historically that has this record against the best teams or struggled to be .500 themself. This CC story has been great, but I don’t see how anyone can give her MVP without being biased or using non-basketball related reasons. Simply doesn’t have the winning record or advanced stats to substantiate it.
Aja 110% MVP! CC obviously ROTY! Nobody knew the WNBA existed. She's pure Talent. N shrugs off the Haters. We need role sports stars who have class. 20mil girls want to be Cc
20.3 points, 7.7 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.0 steals and 1.0 blocks for the month are massive numbers? she had a couple of monster games in september but still...
Breana Stewarts team won all those games this month..plus she really did alot besides the stats..probably her best month this season....thats the only edge over clark for this months or weeks player
This league reminds me of an old decrepit house & you flip on the lights & cockroaches scurry everywhere. They have been thrust into the limelight so quickly & it is ugly.
CC is ROTY and easily the most notable Rookie of all time in the WNBA. There are many valid arguments for MVP as well but she falls short in one regard. She never beat the Aces or the Lynx. Yes, she brought value to the Fever and a lot of it, but did she beat A'ja or Collier or show dominance over them? No she didn't. If I watch a title boxing match and it boils down to decision i need a reason that justifies that decision for the challenger to upset the champion, CC had that challenge against Collier and Wilson multiple times and didn't prevail and that matters.
Be Happy No Color or Creed. Let's embrace women in pro sports. We are supposed to be role models for our kids. CC is that! She sells out away games. Gets hit mid court from that 1 dude. N doesn't say a thing. It's her love of the game! TU CC pure Talent n Class!
Question for Fever fans: Obviously you want them to advance in the playoffs, but how many of you would take a lot of satisfaction if they lost to see the ratings and attendance go in the toilet?
Men are often a lot less vindictive than women are, because we are rejected constantly every day. - Warren Farrell There's a natural law of karma that vindictive people, who go out of their way to hurt others, will end up broke and alone. - Sylvester Stallone Wretched are those who are vindictive and spiteful. - Pope Francis
A part of me does..but i really hope clarks following has also starting noticing other good players and teams. Even if wnba and sone aren't so appreciative of what she has done
I'll probably be watching the playoffs, and that includes the other teams to see how everyone's generally doing. If the sun take out the fever that might be the end of it and I'll move on to the NFL and my fantasy team. I think even though it's playoffs you're going to still see a difference in viewership between the fever series and all others just like we've seen all season
Anybody that thinks the Fever are going to beat the Sun when Sides will be coaching for the Sun, is more of an optimist than I am. The Fever will sneak a win past Sides in Connecticut, but Sides will come back to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in game 3
Interesting take and question. As far as Clark’s fans, I think they’d want the Fever to go all the way. A lot don’t care about the league itself, they’re just fans of Clark’s. Most don’t think they’ll win the championship, so they’ll get a chance to see the viewership tank. As for me, if the Fever don’t go all the way, I’ll just follow online to see who’s winning. That’s an improvement, since I stopped watching halfway through the 1997 season.
3:48 yeah she and Ari were talking playoffs and she was annoyed and said that wasn’t her who voted Aja 4th and Ari backed her up. That narrative only started bc she was impressed by Caitlin when it wasn’t allowed yet
It shows corruption and bias, the only way someone could vote for Reese is with an actual unfair bias. Those people should have to justify why and how they came to that conclusion... its like a 5 round fight where 1 person dominated every single round but 1 judge gives it to the other person. If they can't explain it, they should lose their right to vote in the future.
Bro this is the Anthony Davis effect. No was he should have gotten a DPOY. But the lakers defense haven’t been good the last couple years. He got robbed in 2020 though
The player of the month assignation should be used to promote the league, bring to attention players who are NOT getting that much attention and who maybe had a great game in some out of the way market. Clark doesn't care if she gets this award or not. Honestly, Kelsey should have gotten it last month, and I was probably just a troll on the Fever to give it to Clark. There are some great players on the Storm! Why not celebrate them, I'd like to know more about the Storm and making a Storm player player of the month would help with all that.
@@Legendarychrismusic you're the one who said she wasn't close basically saying she could've done something to be closer to winning it lmfao you literally dont make sense. She should've won she had the better stats
They gave POTM to a team with about as trash a record before...
So, obviously, Clark should have been POTM three times this year.
CC should also be #3 for MVP and first team All WNBA.
Child please 😂😂😂
@@bobby12348 ino that is wrong clark should be second MVP and First Team All WNBA
@@wnnakwkqkq8636collier i think beats cc only because of her defense and the lynx winning all those games with her...but its close for #2
#2
@@bobby12348you're giving all bobbys a bad name. stop it, bobby
Agreed, ROY absolutely!
Not necessarily the topic here, but up until this year the WNBA was a running joke. Literally the butt of jokes on late night TV, mocked and scorned as a "welfare league" and couldn't fill seats even if the tickets were free. Now we have certain WNBA team games going head to head with the freaking NFL and drawing millions of viewers. What changed? Can't not credit the change to Caitlin Clark with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Now MVP, who is the most VALUABLE player? The player with a record 27 points, who is a great rebounder and defender (but team got worse) OR the player who with a record number of assists with a team that massively improved and, by the way, almost single-handedly transformed the entire league from the aforementioned joke to a legitimate sports league? We know where the votes are going to go, just because the former player was anointed MVP before the season started, but who is truly the most VALUABLE player?
MVP isn’t a popularity contest and this massively improved logic is also a misnomer. Aliyah Boston added 8 wins to the Fever record in her rookie year and took them from the worst offensive rating to the 6th best offensive rating. CC added 7 extra wins to the Fever record this year and took them from 6th in offensive rating to 3rd in offensive rating. The defensive rating has stayed at 11th for both of their rookie years. Fever are 4-16 against teams over .500 which is the same as the LA Sparks who are the worst team in the league. Idk any criteria traditionally and historically used in MVP rankings in which CC is higher than 5th. I have her 4th, but even I can admit, it’s only because I watched her games more but that should never be used in an MVP debate. Once I watched more teams, I realised there are players who are much better and more impactful offensively and defensively.
Robbed again just like in july. There's no way a player averages 22/5/9 and doesn't win POTM. Stewart averaged 20/7/1, how's that better.
CC22 gets robbed so often the W could be indicted under RICO statues.
I have a hard time believing she cares about any of it. This kid has been in the spotlight since she was 12.
Agreed. Meaningless most of it. And to all of us here from the start, start of this season i mean. Then Clark is easily the "most valuable" and the playoffs are not a photo opportunity. In it to win it.
"@bongo",,, I totally agree, she doesn't seem to live in a bubble but definitely well grounded and Shuts-out the Noise,,, "been there-done that" type of awareness. Definitely a Keeper,,, ❤
Historic Rookie year breaking records left and right... and this is at her worst. This is an insane start... gives new meaning to the word Generational. And yet, all she cares about is winning. And getting better for the sole purpose of destroying all her opponents. She's a great person, but she's a hardcore killer on the court. If I was anyone else not on her team, I'd be terrified of her.
@@tabularasa9554 Historic is the key word.
It comes down to meaning of the word "valuable." Who increased the worth of the WNBA the most in this season just past?
I agree with Rebecca Lobo.
Wilson and Nike voted for Caitlin as MVP....what a joke the WNBA and ESPN....29 years of toxic failures
You clearly don’t know what the MVP is.
I agree you gotta quit with the click bait titles. It’s not helping you.
You are here aren't you?? It worked on you
@@Rondigity92No crap we are here. Thats how clicking works. Its the next time that we won't be.
Mvp was decided before the season started...sad.
Even if it was, Wilson winning MVP is warranted. I don’t think it should be unanimous, but she has proven to be the MVP.
@@danielday3374 how come her team is doing worse than last year??
@@Rondigity92 The main reason is their defense simply got worse from last year. They also didn’t have a point guard for half the season since Gray was injured. For most of the season it was A’ja Wilson or bust.
@@danielday3374 meanwhile the fever went from last to 6th, and not only did Clark lead the team she also generated opportunities for players like Kelsey Mitchell to shine alongside her. Who makes their "team" better? And who's "team" makes them better?? That's the real question that should be considered when talkin mvp
@@Rondigity92 Fever are 4-16 against teams over .500. This is the same record as the Sparks who are the worst team in the league. Idk any MVP historically that has this record against the best teams or struggled to be .500 themself. This CC story has been great, but I don’t see how anyone can give her MVP without being biased or using non-basketball related reasons. Simply doesn’t have the winning record or advanced stats to substantiate it.
Clark should have at least one more POTM.
Aja 110% MVP! CC obviously ROTY! Nobody knew the WNBA existed. She's pure Talent. N shrugs off the Haters. We need role sports stars who have class. 20mil girls want to be Cc
Stewart had massive numbers. Also. The fever dropped some games during the last week. So, it’s fine with me.
That's nice we get your approved now that's corny
20.3 points, 7.7 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.0 steals and 1.0 blocks for the month are massive numbers? she had a couple of monster games in september but still...
@BobbyU808 Yhese stats aren't better than Caitlin. Just swap rebounds for assists. Not worse, but not better.
Yes, you need to make another video of Rookie of the Year… yes pleas3 do 🤣🙏😂🤔😂👎🏽🤪
Breana Stewarts team won all those games this month..plus she really did alot besides the stats..probably her best month this season....thats the only edge over clark for this months or weeks player
This league reminds me of an old decrepit house & you flip on the lights & cockroaches scurry everywhere. They have been thrust into the limelight so quickly & it is ugly.
Sometimes they just stand there thinking "If I don't move maybe they won't see me"
@@mikehall4517 😂😂
I think at this point it's clear they draw straws for these awards.
CC is ROTY and easily the most notable Rookie of all time in the WNBA. There are many valid arguments for MVP as well but she falls short in one regard. She never beat the Aces or the Lynx. Yes, she brought value to the Fever and a lot of it, but did she beat A'ja or Collier or show dominance over them? No she didn't. If I watch a title boxing match and it boils down to decision i need a reason that justifies that decision for the challenger to upset the champion, CC had that challenge against Collier and Wilson multiple times and didn't prevail and that matters.
Didn’t Clark beat the Olympic team with the All Star team?
CC is my MVP.
That’s like seeing 2+2 (caitlin clark #22) is 4 (ROTY) and saying it is 5 (Angel Reese #5)
i think the ballots are public. i remember mark jackson getting heat for leaving jokic off of all nba first team. why would they not be public?
wait 2+2 doesnt equal 5
Be Happy No Color or Creed. Let's embrace women in pro sports. We are supposed to be role models for our kids. CC is that! She sells out away games. Gets hit mid court from that 1 dude. N doesn't say a thing. It's her love of the game! TU CC pure Talent n Class!
this should have been her third potm. be thankful they gave her at least one
Question for Fever fans: Obviously you want them to advance in the playoffs, but how many of you would take a lot of satisfaction if they lost to see the ratings and attendance go in the toilet?
Men are often a lot less vindictive than women are, because we are rejected constantly every day. - Warren Farrell
There's a natural law of karma that vindictive people, who go out of their way to hurt others, will end up broke and alone. - Sylvester Stallone
Wretched are those who are vindictive and spiteful. - Pope Francis
A part of me does..but i really hope clarks following has also starting noticing other good players and teams. Even if wnba and sone aren't so appreciative of what she has done
I'll probably be watching the playoffs, and that includes the other teams to see how everyone's generally doing. If the sun take out the fever that might be the end of it and I'll move on to the NFL and my fantasy team. I think even though it's playoffs you're going to still see a difference in viewership between the fever series and all others just like we've seen all season
Anybody that thinks the Fever are going to beat the Sun when Sides will be coaching for the Sun, is more of an optimist than I am. The Fever will sneak a win past Sides in Connecticut, but Sides will come back to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in game 3
Interesting take and question. As far as Clark’s fans, I think they’d want the Fever to go all the way. A lot don’t care about the league itself, they’re just fans of Clark’s. Most don’t think they’ll win the championship, so they’ll get a chance to see the viewership tank.
As for me, if the Fever don’t go all the way, I’ll just follow online to see who’s winning. That’s an improvement, since I stopped watching halfway through the 1997 season.
What has BS done this year
3:48 yeah she and Ari were talking playoffs and she was annoyed and said that wasn’t her who voted Aja 4th and Ari backed her up. That narrative only started bc she was impressed by Caitlin when it wasn’t allowed yet
Who won POM Mick? How did CC get robbed. You are losing me. Quit with the clickbait titles. One more and I am unsubscribing.
CC ROTY no question at all. 😁
Yes there will be votes for Reese. Who gives a shit. CC is going to win it.
It shows corruption and bias, the only way someone could vote for Reese is with an actual unfair bias. Those people should have to justify why and how they came to that conclusion... its like a 5 round fight where 1 person dominated every single round but 1 judge gives it to the other person. If they can't explain it, they should lose their right to vote in the future.
Bro this is the Anthony Davis effect. No was he should have gotten a DPOY. But the lakers defense haven’t been good the last couple years. He got robbed in 2020 though
It should be unanimous. When do the results come out?
Staley is a voter I believe... she'll vote for Reese
Is Staley a sportswriter? All I know is that it's a panel of 100 sportswriters that vote.
The player of the month assignation should be used to promote the league, bring to attention players who are NOT getting that much attention and who maybe had a great game in some out of the way market. Clark doesn't care if she gets this award or not. Honestly, Kelsey should have gotten it last month, and I was probably just a troll on the Fever to give it to Clark.
There are some great players on the Storm! Why not celebrate them, I'd like to know more about the Storm and making a Storm player player of the month would help with all that.
2+2=5 is the same as saying a man can get pregnant
Or that a woman can be "a little bit pregnant"
Is there a list of the people who get to vote?
It's a panel of 100 sportswriters chosen from regions with wnba teams.
I would vote for Nylassa Boston.
Why not vote Mick into the ballot as well.
Could also do Diana Taurasi as well.
Heck, let's be creative and vote Napoleon Dynamite for ROTY too.
To be the first to leave?
Catlin Clark Rookie Of The Year 2024 ☝️❤️💋🌹🏆 MVP Of The Year 2024☝️❤️💋🌹🏆
"Mick" get some sleep.
2 + 2 = Reese is ROTY
You fools can't keep you mind off Resse.😂😂😂
You are smoking some bad ass shit. Has you hallucinating.
@@bobby12348 LMAO
Na they will give angel roty in 2 or 3 years. She just has to be more convincing on her pod cast! 😂
@@bobby12348Yet here you are posting on a video about CC, the irony.
She was not even close to potm
She definitely is lol you clearly haven't seen the stats for the month.
@@sheesshhhhhh you either are or you arent. There is no close
@@Legendarychrismusic you're the one who said she wasn't close basically saying she could've done something to be closer to winning it lmfao you literally dont make sense. She should've won she had the better stats
@@sheesshhhhhh no thats what you thought. I said she wasnt close because close doesnt exist
Clark had better numbers than Stewart, she definitely had a strong case for POTM
You people say anything for clicks.🥱🥱😇