Same thing happened last season against Palace where the same ref decided to red card Tomiyasu for taking too long to take a throw in. We never saw another penalisation for throw ins again in the league.
@@abrahamgarshong2826oh dude the original comment isn’t even relaying how bad it was, Tomi got a yellow for holding the ball for not even 8 seconds and got a second yellow for a BLATANT dive by Palace
One thing I love about Rory is he will call out BS no matter what team it is. 90% of ppl will say good call just to wind up Arsenal fans when if that's their club they are raging
Man you Arsenal fans are a bunch of knobheads.😂😂 you guys trolled the heck out of Rory for all these years due to his affiliation with Chelsea, And now he's an angel all of a sudden? Why bc he supported your narrative? lol. Forget about him & atleast be honest to yourselves. your guy was diving around, committing fouls trying to get the brighton player sent off clearly it was lack of sportsmanship due to sense of insecurity maybe?! And He didn't even catch him with the studs like Rice was pretending.it was more like a shin on shin! Yes you can rightfully argue..that brighton player also should've been given a yellow for kicking the ball away in an other instance, but noone can fairly question Declan rice's second yellow if they be honest & go by the rules! Also It was simply stupid from Declan knowing he's already on a yellow & although it seemed goofy at the time but it was the right call from the ref in this case! It is what it is!! But Anyways..Good luck against Spurs since I've a feeling you're gonna need it against them 😉
i would said it's a yellow if he booted the ball in the stands to stop a quick free kick but was a small toe poke and did not cost any time or fast free kick.
Fun Fact: Since VAR inception on September 1, 2016 World Cup Tournaments rarely or almost never use referees that ref EPL games due to their consistent flaws.
I think the FIFA management are more than smart enough to see the patterns of highly controversial decisions in PGMOL referee behaviour, and to thereby recognise corruption. In front of all your eyes, your league is being fixed year after year, and the ones who can see it clearly will not speak out.
@bigtoe333333 I've been saying this for years. In the last couple of seasons since Arteta is at AFC red card challenges against AFC not given, a couple of referee calls like this 1 and the Martinelli double yellow never happens again. Only against AFC, conspiracy or corruption you decide..
The same referee that wanted to seek action against Arsenal to their celebrations against Bournemouth with the famous Reiss Nelson winner. Jobsworth. Absolute killjoy
Why are you surprised? Last week Havertz gets strangled on the ground and there was no intervention. Pedro kicks the ball away, Saka elbowed in the face, follow through on Odegaard, pull on Saka shirt outside the box, how many mor examples do you want of refs cheating Arsenal
How about when they benefit from the refs? Like today when Brighton had a blatant corner but Arsenal got a goal kick instead. Or last year when odegaard got away with a penalty at anfield, that the PGMOL later said was a mistake. The refs are bad but you can’t cry and say it’s because they are against arsenal and it’s some sort of conspiracy.
@@kd5973Arsenal and Liverpool fans feel more aggrieved because they are in a title fight where they cannot afford to drop points with the stakes being so high. We'll have to see how many contentious decisions Citeh will get come the end of the season. So far Arsenal are -2 points due to a silly referee. That could be the difference between winning the title or not.
The decision was so crazy I actually laughed at first. Then realised this decision could cost Arsenal the league come the end of the season. Citeh have made title races insufferable.
Is it a coincidence that certain PL refs go to the UAE and get paid by the govt to work there? The same govt that owns a certain PL team…It’s so obvious
Chris Kavanagh is a waste of space that has to be one of the worst decisions in professional sports history. By the letter of the law you’re not allowed to push with your hands or arm to gain an advantage but everyone does. How many times do we see people get fouled in the box 1 millisecond after they’ve shot. Many times discretion is given against the letter of the law this was just arrogance and STUPIDITY
Happened to us LFC multiple times, just last season doing just a sliver of it; Ødegaard playing basketball in the penalty box, Doku kicking Mac Allister in the chest in the penalty box, Jota getting a yellow card, which became a red, for a Spurs player falling over his own feet, legitimate Diaz goal not getting counted. All 3 were things that cost a win. 2 of which were against rivals for the title.
@@alexbrown975 Planting a foot studs up in chest height is reckless play. It's a straight red anywhere on the field, except if you are playing LFC, which Mings did on Gakpo leaving him with a big scar.
Spot on mate it’s becoming a joke this league just bring in foreign referees you can’t be having refreees born in Manchester officiate games like this I don’t care what anyone says their is a bias there 100% he knew what he was doing
This kind of thing never happens to City. You never see a hugely controversial red card/penalty go against them. They benefit from plenty, but never seem to be on the receiving end.
If the “letter of the law” guys here can give me their hand-on-heart word that they believe Rodri would have been sent off in this fashion, I’ll take the point and move on.
First half, Pedro kicks the ball away and the ref ignores it. Second half, Rice nudges the ball by a few meters and gets sent off... Terrible refereeing.
@@emmanuelunique7789the ref can ignore the first one ..and he could have also ignored the Rice one EXCEPT for the fact that Rice was dumb enough to flop and draw attention to it..then the ref had to give him a second yellow
Kavanah actually ignored a professional foul on Saka in the 1st half when he's shirt was tugged and Sake went down. Kavanah awarded the free kick but chose not to actually apply the law on shirt pulling. Low and behold as soon as an Arsenal player pulls a shirt the yellow card pops out. The guy is so unprofessional is sickening.
I love your take on everything, Terry at The Football Terrace say the same thing, us fans need to stop being tribal, poor refereeing kills the game and it will continue unless something significant happens
@@caradejegue No its not, the ball was moving, so if you want to get technical you CANNOT play a ball from a fk while it's moving, so no it is NOT a second yellow, even if you want to be anal about it you are still wrong.
@lawrencebaker1811 Wasted what time? The ball wasn't in play, veltman cannot take that FK when he kicks rice, so again even if you want to get technical and say it was given for time wasting then veltman should be off for booting a player. And again if you say its a yellow for rice why wasn't the two Brighton players booked in the first half when they booted the ball away ? The ref has decided the game on a whim just because he felt like it, utterly horrible for the sport, we should never ever ever have to mention refs yet every fkn week we have to discuss some fkn retards that ref our game.
People do it all the time without even a warning, but this one time when the player is already on a yellow he decides that NOW is the time to draw the second. It's so weird, expecially in the first minutes of the second half. What everyone should take away from this is the fact referees are choosing to follow the rules whenever they want to, that is what's fundamentally wrong here. He gave the second yellow to Rice because he felt like it, simple as. To everyone laughing about this, if it happened to a player for the team you support you would be just as angry.
The refs have an agenda every year. They know the best time to fix the outcome of the league is at the beginning. Because the end of the season has way more scrutiny.
Exactly- they know the criticism will intensify as the season goes on. The smart thing is to rob points and get the fix in early, before the stakes are too high. Arsenal will be mugged off again to clip off some more points, as will Liverpool Spurs, Man U and Chelsea, and anyone else who threatens City. But it will be done in few more weeks, when the current fuss has died down. In todays PL you can fix the league by robbing just 5 or 6 points off a team early in the season. And if things tighten up near the end, all it takes is one more fix to sort out the title for City. The mad thing is City would have won 2 out of every 4 PL titles anyway, with no ref cheating. They don't even need cheating refs, but such is their owner's hunger for dominance that they'll happily corrupt the PGMOL, and probably half the FA, just to make sure.
Referee here. Yes technically Rice was a yellow based on preventing the restart but that law was not followed throughout the game. Brighton should have had a player sent off too. The biggest problem we have in the game is consistency of officiating. This is not just a referee by referee basis but it fluctuates game by game and even minute by minute in a game. Nobody would complain if everyone was booked by delaying the restart. But we see players stand over a ball, grab the ball run back into position then throw It back. These 2 are ones we rarely ever see Bookings for but Rice getting a yellow for what he did shows a lack of consistency the referees have in the modern game
Well said Rory, thank you! When a player is already on a yellow card we frequently see bad fouls not penalised because the yellow card takes on a different meaning and we generally see officials raise the threshold of showing a second yellow because they know the consequence is sending a player off. Surely referees should do their upmost to officiate in such away that they aim to keep all 22 players on the field at the final whistle, once Arsenal were down to 10 men, as with any team playing with fewer than 11 v 11, the match undoubtedly looses its quality, for 55 minutes it was no longer a spectacle of enjoyment being watched by a global audience. As for refereeing consistency……….what’s that? Not demonstrated!
If that is a yellow card then I'm expecting when players kick the ball after the whistle has gone then they must be booked at all times. No ifs and buts, no context. Just follow the letter of the law.
In general, referees need to understand the circumstance of when to use a yellow or red card, if rice did that twice and was already on a warning and was very late in the game (80 minutes or more)then it’s a good call to give a another yellow but the fact that it was the 56 minute and didn’t impact any potential scoring moment makes this call one of the most naive and computer like decisions which leads to the joy of football disappearing into dust
the thing is he wouldn't have been able to take the free kick anyway because the Brighton player rolled the ball onto Declan rice's foot the ref would've had to bring that back it's completely disingenuous from the ref to even suggest that's a card was rice stupid yeah sure but guarantee we won't see another booking like that this season it's ridiculous and for the Brighton player to walk away without a card for intentionally kicking rice is even more ridiculous
Can any City fans help me out here and name any examples of ref decisions going against you? Please don't bite my head off for asking, I'm not trying to insinuate anything, just genuinely can't remember any but I can name 2-3 a season for pretty much any other team.
M NOT even a city fan but immediately am reminded of Man city v Tottenham 3-3 last season. Ref blew the whistle for full time when Grielish was literally 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper 😂😂😂...Prem refs are trash
@@chiefmwase4562since you mention that, 4-5 City players surrounded the ref and Haaland assaulted him verbally but no yellow card was given. Even there, City was treated differently
@@chiefmwase4562Did the ref blow the whistle because time was up? If that's the case, then how were Man City robbed? If time is up, the ref should stop the game regardless of where the ball/action is.
The odds are already so stacked against a club like Arsenal trying to compete with City. When something like that happens, it made me want to switch off. It's not just ruining the game, it's ruining the whole damn title race. Arsenal lost the title by 2 points. They just got robbed of 2. I totally agree with you Rory. The letter of the law is utterly irrelevant in this discussion.
No they were not. Declan Rice was on a Yellow... Decided to kick the ball and cause a delay... Ok fine the red can look the other way .. But then he was dumb enough to draw attention to it by trying to draw a red on Brighton..he deserves that red...he forced the red to make a decision when he could have just looked away like he did for Pedro
In the U.K. it’s still technically illegal to eat a mince pie on Boxing Day, so if we see people eating mince pies on Boxing Day are we going to start advocating for consequences, as by these fools logic, it is the law
Totally agree with you, Rory. That’s NEVER a yellow card on its own, and it’s even worse when the ref knows the player has already been booked. Ruining a perfectly good game for what? A nudge? When the consequences are so significant, the ref HAS to use common sense. It’s like fouls in the penalty box-the bar is set so much higher there than on the rest of the field. The same standard should apply when it comes to sending someone off.
This incompetence is sickening. Thank you Rory for calling it out, because it doesn’t just affect Arsenal. It’s ruining the premier league.every week the focus is on the refs. I’m sick of it. And why tf is Mike Dean a pundit for sky? Who tf wants to listen to him?
The way I see it (as an Arsenal fan) is if it was Rice’s first offense in the game I can somewhat rationalize a card in that instance. But to be on a yellow and actually get sent off for that is beyond ridiculous. Not to mention Veltman gets no card for kicking him
Nice man. Arsenal but always respected your work Sir, a scholar and a gentlemen, and a fine judge of crumpet, if I may add Sir. Even as a Chelski fanman. Awesome work man!
True Rory. I am a Liverpool fan, and whilst I could not say that I am not happy Arsenal had dropped points, I am very sure that if the same offense committed by a player of the Club 115, the referee would not have shown the second yellow. The rule of the book only applies to the other 19 teams, not Club 115.
We use VAR and goal line tech to get it right. Will the day come that an arbitration board will be given authority to award or subtract a goal on appeal from the "robbed" team?
I recall reading about the pgmol blaming the critics before the season and saying they are making improvements. The refereeing isn't getting better, it's getting worse.
Yes Rory you are absolutely right. I would not mind drawing game or losing but not this way. The Refree has destroyed the game. I've no interest to watch any game this weekend. It's horrible refereeing. The ball hitting his leg and was rolling. It's disgrace
Every season they decide to hyper focus one thing. Goal keeper leaving his line before balls kicked on a penalty. Retake it. A Handball 30 mins before a goal is scored so it's scrubbd off. Players not involved in the goal being judged as interfering. VAR takes ages compared to champions League as well.
Is refreshing to see some common sense on show! So we've learned that it's ok to grab someone by the throat or kick out intentionally at an opponent - but flicking the ball away (which was a moving ball and the referee would have called the free kick back anyway) is deserved of a red card and changing the dynamic of a game which people have paid a lot of money to watch and enjoy.
The rule is Rory when you take a free kick the ball should be static. The ball was on the move when Veltman was trying to take it. Correct call. Free kick retake 😉
Great analysis. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Wolves game. Mosquera choked Havertz, then SA'd Jesus, and didn't receive a card for either offense.
Technically, if we are going by the letter of the law. Veltman had stopped the ball at the spot of the freekick after the whistle and kicked it forward with his right foot, so the ball was live and in play when Rice kicked it out.
Who eles just wants rory to come out and admit he's an arsenal fan already? This guy is obsessed with them he acts as if they're the best team in the world and slanders Chelsea EVERYSINGLE CHANCE HE GETS. he will be on panels with rival fans and he will be the one trashing Chelsea the most.
Rice did not even touch the ball on purpose 🤣 Veltman rolled it onto Rice… and Veltman didn’t even intend for that to happen! His foot hit it whilst standing up and the ball HAPPENED to roll in Rice’s direction while Rice is walking AWAY and BECAUSE the ball touches his heel as he’s in his stride, he looks down to be like wtf is happening as Veltman comes around and kicks the ball and Veltman’s follow through catches Rice on the knee. Worst referring decision ever made. Guinness Record.
FA Rulebook 2024-25, Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct /// Delaying the restart of play Referees must caution players who delay the restart of play by tactics such as: - taking a free kick from the wrong position with the sole intention of forcing the referee to order a retake (what Veltman did) - appearing to take a throw-in but suddenly leaving it to one of his teammates to take - kicking the ball away or carrying it away with the hands after the referee has stopped play (what Veltman did to kick the ball towards Rice, but also Rice’s action could fall into this though away means away) - excessively delaying the taking of a throw-in or free kick (Joao Pedro in the 1st half, Saka in the 2nd… certainly not Rice) - delaying leaving the field of play after being substituted - provoking a confrontation by deliberately touching the ball after the referee has stopped play (another offence by Veltman in the same incident) I’m writing because most comments around come from passion, hate, hearsay or else. This is the actual Law currently in place. By the way, when everybody talk about inconsistency, they only want Pedro to receive the yellow as well. Everyone misses the crucial point that if Pedro gets the booking and doesn’t get away with it, it gives Rice enough evidence to not touch the ball (in motion and in the wrong spot). Anyway, see my other comment: the law is there to entertain us, refs should be custodians of the entertainment not ruin it.
In my opinion it’s rigged. They will find every excuse to red arsenal players. Find offsides. Find the ball going out of play. Then city just get the benefit of the doubt every time. It’s called corruption bro. Not hard
Lol, Liverpool got 5 reds at the start of last season. Difference is we won 3 of those games and lost one against Spurs with a goal incorrectly ruled out. 10 men isn't an excuse not to win at home for potential champions
the Brighton player kicked the ball towards Declan’s feet, and it bounced off Rice’s ankle or foot before going out of play. Since the ball was rolling, it couldn’t have been taken unless it was stopped. Rice didn’t even realize it had hit him until he turned around and then got kicked, which should’ve been a card. The first yellow card to Rice made sense, but the second one didn’t. And let’s not forget, Pedro kicked the ball away after it went out of play in the first half and didn’t get a card
Veltman did not play the ball from where the original foul was commited. He threw it forward and under Rice's feet. The ref should have pulled the free kick back to the place it happened.
the problem with this kind of situation is that, rather than being united to fight this kind of refereeing that ruins the game for everyone, rival fans are influenced by football tribalism to support adverse decision that go against their rivals. we all lose including those who gaslight everyone here because as long as this kind of thing isn't stamped out there is nothing that will prevent it affecting the you support sooner or later
Arsenal fan here, sorry but we shouldn't depend on Situations like these. Rice's first (yellow) challenge was Stuupiiid!!! He could've passed the ball to Trossard, he was open and free, but he decided to keep the ball and lost it. Look how reckless that was! Then the Goal we conceded, even if we had Rice, we still would've conceded it. Stupid defending. Nobody's fault that we don't have a Proper Strikeeeer! We had too many chances to win the game.
Rory, consider the flipside: One of the most frustrating and unnecessary elements of modern football is the ridiculous degrees of time wasting/ delaying gameplay. The only way that shit stops is if the punishments (and risks of punishments) outweight the benefits. This card does just that: Declan Rice was willing to risk getting a 2nd yellow and missing the Tottenham game, whilst his backup Merino is injured (?) and whilst knowing the league specifically said they were gonna be more strict with game delays, for what, 2-3 seconds at 1-0 at home in the 47th minute? It's a stupid and inconsistent call, but Rice put himself in that position for no good reason whatsoever.
You can't blame Rice for this. Regardless, of what they've said they haven't cracked down on it at all. In this game alone: Veltman, João Pedro and Van Hecke all did similar or worse delays without punishment. You can't apply the rules whenever you feel like it, if the referees want to crack down on time wasting and delaying restarts they should do it consistently, because otherwise they're just cracking down on whatever team falls victim to their idiocy and incompetence.
@@fplben8652 Completely agree that the refs are inconsistent and many other players (not just in this match) do far worse and get punished less. To be clear: I don't think Rice should have been sent off. But Rice can't influence the decisions of the ref, he can only influence whether his actions give the refs a decision to make in the first place. Hitting that ball away did that and considering the context it was stupid and pointless. Very harsh, unfair and stupid decision by the ref, but that shouldn't be a surprise by now.
@@JFH3392 I get where you're coming from, Rice shouldn't have given the referee the opportunity. But I just can't blame him for letting his guard down given how carefree the referee was when Brighton players committed the same offence. It's probably a situation that we won't see again for at least a couple seasons.
For those claiming it’s fine, Imagine Chelsea lost a game like this? Referees are a joke in general and if we keep letting them get away with incompetence it will bite all of us in the *** too.
I will also add that if Kavanagh had really seen this as an offense, he would have rushed over with a yellow card. The fact was that he only pulled out the card after Minteh suggested Rice be given a 2nd yellow...says everything imo. This is a ref who is completely unable to think for himself.
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Same thing happened last season against Palace where the same ref decided to red card Tomiyasu for taking too long to take a throw in. We never saw another penalisation for throw ins again in the league.
For real? That's very bad. Epl been won by refs
@@abrahamgarshong2826oh dude the original comment isn’t even relaying how bad it was, Tomi got a yellow for holding the ball for not even 8 seconds and got a second yellow for a BLATANT dive by Palace
Tomi got his face stamped on at Everton a couple of years ago completely caught by the cameras and it wasn’t even given as a foul 😂😂😂
@@davidinjapan l dont know why Arsenal is hated so much. May be we look and behave differently... pure class 😊👌
Remember the double martinelli yellow for 2 contacts in the same move?
One thing I love about Rory is he will call out BS no matter what team it is. 90% of ppl will say good call just to wind up Arsenal fans when if that's their club they are raging
Facts, can't take this away from him 👍🏼
Bullshit. Bro is a closeted Gunner and would happily sacrifice Chelsea to make it up to Arsenal
He goes where the views are . Positive toxic arsenal fans get the most views . Along with chelsea hate which is why it's all this guy makes
Man you Arsenal fans are a bunch of knobheads.😂😂 you guys trolled the heck out of Rory for all these years due to his affiliation with Chelsea, And now he's an angel all of a sudden? Why bc he supported your narrative? lol. Forget about him & atleast be honest to yourselves. your guy was diving around, committing fouls trying to get the brighton player sent off clearly it was lack of sportsmanship due to sense of insecurity maybe?! And He didn't even catch him with the studs like Rice was pretending.it was more like a shin on shin! Yes you can rightfully argue..that brighton player also should've been given a yellow for kicking the ball away in an other instance, but noone can fairly question Declan rice's second yellow if they be honest & go by the rules! Also It was simply stupid from Declan knowing he's already on a yellow & although it seemed goofy at the time but it was the right call from the ref in this case! It is what it is!! But Anyways..Good luck against Spurs since I've a feeling you're gonna need it against them 😉
i would said it's a yellow if he booted the ball in the stands to stop a quick free kick but was a small toe poke and did not cost any time or fast free kick.
Fun Fact: Since VAR inception on September 1, 2016 World Cup Tournaments rarely or almost never use referees that ref EPL games due to their consistent flaws.
At the recent Euros, Anthony Taylor was forced to go home early because of his shambolic mistake against Germany
I think the FIFA management are more than smart enough to see the patterns of highly controversial decisions in PGMOL referee behaviour, and to thereby recognise corruption.
In front of all your eyes, your league is being fixed year after year, and the ones who can see it clearly will not speak out.
@bigtoe333333 I've been saying this for years. In the last couple of seasons since Arteta is at AFC red card challenges against AFC not given, a couple of referee calls like this 1 and the Martinelli double yellow never happens again. Only against AFC, conspiracy or corruption you decide..
The same referee that wanted to seek action against Arsenal to their celebrations against Bournemouth with the famous Reiss Nelson winner. Jobsworth. Absolute killjoy
Why are you surprised? Last week Havertz gets strangled on the ground and there was no intervention. Pedro kicks the ball away, Saka elbowed in the face, follow through on Odegaard, pull on Saka shirt outside the box, how many mor examples do you want of refs cheating Arsenal
How about when they benefit from the refs? Like today when Brighton had a blatant corner but Arsenal got a goal kick instead. Or last year when odegaard got away with a penalty at anfield, that the PGMOL later said was a mistake. The refs are bad but you can’t cry and say it’s because they are against arsenal and it’s some sort of conspiracy.
@@kd5973Arsenal and Liverpool fans feel more aggrieved because they are in a title fight where they cannot afford to drop points with the stakes being so high. We'll have to see how many contentious decisions Citeh will get come the end of the season. So far Arsenal are -2 points due to a silly referee. That could be the difference between winning the title or not.
Be mad at Rice not the referee
Are we all forgetting Odegaard's handball vs Liverpool?
@@woikuwhen Arsenal fans bring up Kovacic last season we get told “ahhhh stop crying about the past” but now here you are talking about last season 😂
Liverpool Fan here, listen Arsenal Fans, this is like to try to go toe to toe against Man city... the refs are all on their payroll
Facts
Sad reality
I can't believe it. Season after season now 😮
You will never ever see City on the receiving end of a stinker decision!
The decision was so crazy I actually laughed at first. Then realised this decision could cost Arsenal the league come the end of the season. Citeh have made title races insufferable.
The PGMOL want to help City win 5 titles in a row. They already helped Pep win four titles
😂😂😂 Congrats on the most moronic comment! City won with better coach and players. All the money arsenal,united and chelsea have spent 😂
Is it a coincidence that certain PL refs go to the UAE and get paid by the govt to work there? The same govt that owns a certain PL team…It’s so obvious
@@jivet3919 You have proof of your rubbish claim? Present it
The fact a Chelsea fan and Man U fan (goldbridge) think it was not a red tells us everything! Ref was shocking
Thank you !
Chris Kavanagh is a waste of space that has to be one of the worst decisions in professional sports history. By the letter of the law you’re not allowed to push with your hands or arm to gain an advantage but everyone does. How many times do we see people get fouled in the box 1 millisecond after they’ve shot. Many times discretion is given against the letter of the law this was just arrogance and STUPIDITY
I'm sure Chris Kavanagh had a nice Dubai holiday during the break
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Happened to us LFC multiple times, just last season doing just a sliver of it; Ødegaard playing basketball in the penalty box, Doku kicking Mac Allister in the chest in the penalty box, Jota getting a yellow card, which became a red, for a Spurs player falling over his own feet, legitimate Diaz goal not getting counted. All 3 were things that cost a win. 2 of which were against rivals for the title.
Facts
Doku got to the ball first. The rest I agree with.
@@alexbrown975 Planting a foot studs up in chest height is reckless play. It's a straight red anywhere on the field, except if you are playing LFC, which Mings did on Gakpo leaving him with a big scar.
So u actually want to compare a red card effect with a penalty then u need to reason again, 10 men for 40mins and missing the next game
@@janniknielsen9292 it was reckless of MacAlister to run into his boot. He should of gone for the header instead 👍🏻
Spot on mate it’s becoming a joke this league just bring in foreign referees you can’t be having refreees born in Manchester officiate games like this I don’t care what anyone says their is a bias there 100% he knew what he was doing
They’re all on city’s payroll. City is the only team who don’t get bad calls
lol this is exactly what my comment is about!
City didn’t play Brighton yet City are being blamed by social media for the essence of the decision made by the ref.
This kind of thing never happens to City. You never see a hugely controversial red card/penalty go against them. They benefit from plenty, but never seem to be on the receiving end.
@@antoniusdesir5585 Spot on, every other team has 3/4 a season where they get robbed, but City seem to avoid the controversial calls.
Kavanagh also reported arsenal celebrations after Nelson goal against Bournemouth in 2023.
Aswear veltmen wasn't even trying to play the ball
I like this, football needs people to call out this shit regardless of who you support, mark goldbridge does the same and that deserves respect
If the “letter of the law” guys here can give me their hand-on-heart word that they believe Rodri would have been sent off in this fashion, I’ll take the point and move on.
I appreciate rory for speaking the truth regardless of rivarly
He's been supporting arsenal for the previous two seasons😂
he's a repressed Arsenal fan, doing the change slowly
First half, Pedro kicks the ball away and the ref ignores it.
Second half, Rice nudges the ball by a few meters and gets sent off... Terrible refereeing.
@@emmanuelunique7789the ref can ignore the first one ..and he could have also ignored the Rice one EXCEPT for the fact that Rice was dumb enough to flop and draw attention to it..then the ref had to give him a second yellow
@@emmanuelunique7789 rice then tried to dive and get a Brighton player sent off 🤣🤣🤣 one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.
Few millimetres I think you mean
@@EKNYR Rice got a second yellow for being stupid ..
You are all so stupid
Said the same last week ....city pen given none for the tackle on Ipswich
noticed this too... city being favoured already
Kavanah actually ignored a professional foul on Saka in the 1st half when he's shirt was tugged and Sake went down. Kavanah awarded the free kick but chose not to actually apply the law on shirt pulling. Low and behold as soon as an Arsenal player pulls a shirt the yellow card pops out. The guy is so unprofessional is sickening.
By the letter of the Law the ball was rolling when kicked so he couldn't take a quick free kick anyway that what makes the decision even worse.
The refereeing agenda against Arsenal, STINKS! Time and again, season after season.
I love your take on everything, Terry at The Football Terrace say the same thing, us fans need to stop being tribal, poor refereeing kills the game and it will continue unless something significant happens
Joao pedro literally kicks the ball halfway down the pitch and no yellow, the inconsistency is ridiculous
Yep. But it´s still a second yellow and red for Rice
@@caradejegue No its not, the ball was moving, so if you want to get technical you CANNOT play a ball from a fk while it's moving, so no it is NOT a second yellow, even if you want to be anal about it you are still wrong.
@furiousscotsman2916 that's not what the ruling says, a booking can be given for any player attempting to waste time which Rice did.
@lawrencebaker1811 Wasted what time? The ball wasn't in play, veltman cannot take that FK when he kicks rice, so again even if you want to get technical and say it was given for time wasting then veltman should be off for booting a player.
And again if you say its a yellow for rice why wasn't the two Brighton players booked in the first half when they booted the ball away ? The ref has decided the game on a whim just because he felt like it, utterly horrible for the sport, we should never ever ever have to mention refs yet every fkn week we have to discuss some fkn retards that ref our game.
@@lawrencebaker1811 so why the hell did Pedro not get booked for booting the ball away after it had ALREADY gone out that's literally time wasting?
People do it all the time without even a warning, but this one time when the player is already on a yellow he decides that NOW is the time to draw the second. It's so weird, expecially in the first minutes of the second half.
What everyone should take away from this is the fact referees are choosing to follow the rules whenever they want to, that is what's fundamentally wrong here. He gave the second yellow to Rice because he felt like it, simple as.
To everyone laughing about this, if it happened to a player for the team you support you would be just as angry.
Referee was really on a mission to stop arsenal today....Thats embarrassing to the referee association
0:42 Thanks Rory for speaking the truth. That referee suffers from main character energy syndrome. Making things about himself.
Unbelievable decision, refereeing is embarrassing
The refs have an agenda every year. They know the best time to fix the outcome of the league is at the beginning. Because the end of the season has way more scrutiny.
Exactly- they know the criticism will intensify as the season goes on. The smart thing is to rob points and get the fix in early, before the stakes are too high.
Arsenal will be mugged off again to clip off some more points, as will Liverpool Spurs, Man U and Chelsea, and anyone else who threatens City. But it will be done in few more weeks, when the current fuss has died down.
In todays PL you can fix the league by robbing just 5 or 6 points off a team early in the season.
And if things tighten up near the end, all it takes is one more fix to sort out the title for City.
The mad thing is City would have won 2 out of every 4 PL titles anyway, with no ref cheating. They don't even need cheating refs, but such is their owner's hunger for dominance that they'll happily corrupt the PGMOL, and probably half the FA, just to make sure.
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Typical PGMOL bullshit I'm sick of it
Referee here. Yes technically Rice was a yellow based on preventing the restart but that law was not followed throughout the game. Brighton should have had a player sent off too.
The biggest problem we have in the game is consistency of officiating. This is not just a referee by referee basis but it fluctuates game by game and even minute by minute in a game.
Nobody would complain if everyone was booked by delaying the restart. But we see players stand over a ball, grab the ball run back into position then throw It back. These 2 are ones we rarely ever see Bookings for but Rice getting a yellow for what he did shows a lack of consistency the referees have in the modern game
By letter of the law is Rice actually delaying the restart by kicking a moving ball? The ball wasn't stationary when he kicked it.
Genuine question
Come out of retirement Collina, 10 of him in the Prem, the referee wouldnt even get mentioned.
Or one of him in charge of all of them.
Well said Rory, thank you! When a player is already on a yellow card we frequently see bad fouls not penalised because the yellow card takes on a different meaning and we generally see officials raise the threshold of showing a second yellow because they know the consequence is sending a player off. Surely referees should do their upmost to officiate in such away that they aim to keep all 22 players on the field at the final whistle, once Arsenal were down to 10 men, as with any team playing with fewer than 11 v 11, the match undoubtedly looses its quality, for 55 minutes it was no longer a spectacle of enjoyment being watched by a global audience. As for refereeing consistency……….what’s that? Not demonstrated!
If that is a yellow card then I'm expecting when players kick the ball after the whistle has gone then they must be booked at all times. No ifs and buts, no context. Just follow the letter of the law.
In general, referees need to understand the circumstance of when to use a yellow or red card, if rice did that twice and was already on a warning and was very late in the game (80 minutes or more)then it’s a good call to give a another yellow but the fact that it was the 56 minute and didn’t impact any potential scoring moment makes this call one of the most naive and computer like decisions which leads to the joy of football disappearing into dust
the thing is he wouldn't have been able to take the free kick anyway because the Brighton player rolled the ball onto Declan rice's foot the ref would've had to bring that back it's completely disingenuous from the ref to even suggest that's a card was rice stupid yeah sure but guarantee we won't see another booking like that this season it's ridiculous and for the Brighton player to walk away without a card for intentionally kicking rice is even more ridiculous
Sports is the only business where making decisions like these don’t get you the sack
Can any City fans help me out here and name any examples of ref decisions going against you? Please don't bite my head off for asking, I'm not trying to insinuate anything, just genuinely can't remember any but I can name 2-3 a season for pretty much any other team.
M NOT even a city fan but immediately am reminded of Man city v Tottenham 3-3 last season. Ref blew the whistle for full time when Grielish was literally 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper 😂😂😂...Prem refs are trash
@chiefmwase4562 thanks for letting me know, I do recall that now you mention it. Seems nobody is safe.
@@chiefmwase4562since you mention that, 4-5 City players surrounded the ref and Haaland assaulted him verbally but no yellow card was given. Even there, City was treated differently
@@chiefmwase4562Did the ref blow the whistle because time was up? If that's the case, then how were Man City robbed? If time is up, the ref should stop the game regardless of where the ball/action is.
funny how its always city's rivals that always have a few dodgy descioins against them and city get them for them.
24:13 “it doesn’t matter what the rules are as such” quote that for future reference!
The odds are already so stacked against a club like Arsenal trying to compete with City. When something like that happens, it made me want to switch off. It's not just ruining the game, it's ruining the whole damn title race. Arsenal lost the title by 2 points. They just got robbed of 2. I totally agree with you Rory. The letter of the law is utterly irrelevant in this discussion.
They were robbed tho
No they were not. Declan Rice was on a Yellow... Decided to kick the ball and cause a delay... Ok fine the red can look the other way ..
But then he was dumb enough to draw attention to it by trying to draw a red on Brighton..he deserves that red...he forced the red to make a decision when he could have just looked away like he did for Pedro
It’s a 2nd yellow . You have no argument
@@jzajzzkick the ball lol
He nearly nudged it
@@AKking27he ‘nudged’ it away while the player was about to take the free kick
@@jzajzzBrighton kicked the ball away multiple times and didn’t get a single card for it. Its so inconsistent
In the U.K. it’s still technically illegal to eat a mince pie on Boxing Day, so if we see people eating mince pies on Boxing Day are we going to start advocating for consequences, as by these fools logic, it is the law
Totally agree with you, Rory. That’s NEVER a yellow card on its own, and it’s even worse when the ref knows the player has already been booked. Ruining a perfectly good game for what? A nudge? When the consequences are so significant, the ref HAS to use common sense. It’s like fouls in the penalty box-the bar is set so much higher there than on the rest of the field. The same standard should apply when it comes to sending someone off.
As a Blackburn Rovers supporter, I have little sympathy.
Two tier PGMOL
Ayari and Pedro both did the exact same thing in the first half but the "letter of the law" only applies sometimes apparently.
It’s shit like this that makes people start calling corruption. The PGMOL can’t be allowed to continue without change.
Thank you Rory! The justifications from rivals is worse than the decision itself.
I'm South African and the Springboks beat the All Blacks... My only consolation to an absurd footballing decision
This incompetence is sickening. Thank you Rory for calling it out, because it doesn’t just affect Arsenal. It’s ruining the premier league.every week the focus is on the refs. I’m sick of it. And why tf is Mike Dean a pundit for sky? Who tf wants to listen to him?
Joao Pendro scoring a non penalty goal from the penalty spot 😂
The way I see it (as an Arsenal fan) is if it was Rice’s first offense in the game I can somewhat rationalize a card in that instance. But to be on a yellow and actually get sent off for that is beyond ridiculous. Not to mention Veltman gets no card for kicking him
Nice man. Arsenal but always respected your work Sir, a scholar and a gentlemen, and a fine judge of crumpet, if I may add Sir. Even as a Chelski fanman. Awesome work man!
Rory it just needed common sense and the ref showed none of it
True Rory. I am a Liverpool fan, and whilst I could not say that I am not happy Arsenal had dropped points, I am very sure that if the same offense committed by a player of the Club 115, the referee would not have shown the second yellow.
The rule of the book only applies to the other 19 teams, not Club 115.
16:45 man said how can you walk among us 😂😂
Fair play, Rory. It was never even a yellow card offence, never mind a red card offence. Ref destroyed the game.
We use VAR and goal line tech to get it right. Will the day come that an arbitration board will be given authority to award or subtract a goal on appeal from the "robbed" team?
I recall reading about the pgmol blaming the critics before the season and saying they are making improvements. The refereeing isn't getting better, it's getting worse.
Absolutely spot on I couldn’t agree with you more m8….absolutely terrible performance from that joke of a ref
lol so now Referees have performances ? , just listen to yourself .
Ref was a joke and knew what he was doing
The teams involved in any match that Chris Kavanagh has to officiate after this should protest and request for another referee
Yes Rory you are absolutely right. I would not mind drawing game or losing but not this way. The Refree has destroyed the game. I've no interest to watch any game this weekend. It's horrible refereeing. The ball hitting his leg and was rolling. It's disgrace
Every season they decide to hyper focus one thing.
Goal keeper leaving his line before balls kicked on a penalty. Retake it.
A Handball 30 mins before a goal is scored so it's scrubbd off.
Players not involved in the goal being judged as interfering.
VAR takes ages compared to champions League as well.
Remember the handball against Odengaard and the high foot on Macalister
Rory actually speaking facts despite all the mocking he gets his football knowledge is top tier and his articulation is even better to be fair
Kavanagh are city ref so its normal day at work. 115 Charges pgmol fc are the favorit.
Is refreshing to see some common sense on show! So we've learned that it's ok to grab someone by the throat or kick out intentionally at an opponent - but flicking the ball away (which was a moving ball and the referee would have called the free kick back anyway) is deserved of a red card and changing the dynamic of a game which people have paid a lot of money to watch and enjoy.
The rule is Rory when you take a free kick the ball should be static.
The ball was on the move when Veltman was trying to take it.
Correct call.
Free kick retake
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Great analysis. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Wolves game. Mosquera choked Havertz, then SA'd Jesus, and didn't receive a card for either offense.
You have a new subscriber, my friend. The common sense is common sensing... 👑💯
this decision is like driving 5km over speed limit and getting a ticket. like mate, are you fucking serious???
Technically, if we are going by the letter of the law. Veltman had stopped the ball at the spot of the freekick after the whistle and kicked it forward with his right foot, so the ball was live and in play when Rice kicked it out.
Yeah, go talk to Cundy.
He's saying it's completely right, rules of the game. Clear 2nd yellow.🤷♂️
Who eles just wants rory to come out and admit he's an arsenal fan already? This guy is obsessed with them he acts as if they're the best team in the world and slanders Chelsea EVERYSINGLE CHANCE HE GETS. he will be on panels with rival fans and he will be the one trashing Chelsea the most.
Now I get it why Jurgen Klop quit the Premierleague. It is draining to try to compete against a City team backed by the PGMOL.
Rice did not even touch the ball on purpose 🤣 Veltman rolled it onto Rice… and Veltman didn’t even intend for that to happen! His foot hit it whilst standing up and the ball HAPPENED to roll in Rice’s direction while Rice is walking AWAY and BECAUSE the ball touches his heel as he’s in his stride, he looks down to be like wtf is happening as Veltman comes around and kicks the ball and Veltman’s follow through catches Rice on the knee. Worst referring decision ever made. Guinness Record.
FA Rulebook 2024-25, Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct /// Delaying the restart of play
Referees must caution players who delay the restart of play by tactics such as:
- taking a free kick from the wrong position with the sole intention of forcing the referee to order a retake (what Veltman did)
- appearing to take a throw-in but suddenly leaving it to one of his teammates to take
- kicking the ball away or carrying it away with the hands after the referee has stopped play (what Veltman did to kick the ball towards Rice, but also Rice’s action could fall into this though away means away)
- excessively delaying the taking of a throw-in or free kick (Joao Pedro in the 1st half, Saka in the 2nd… certainly not Rice)
- delaying leaving the field of play after being substituted
- provoking a confrontation by deliberately touching the ball after the referee has stopped play (another offence by Veltman in the same incident)
I’m writing because most comments around come from passion, hate, hearsay or else. This is the actual Law currently in place.
By the way, when everybody talk about inconsistency, they only want Pedro to receive the yellow as well. Everyone misses the crucial point that if Pedro gets the booking and doesn’t get away with it, it gives Rice enough evidence to not touch the ball (in motion and in the wrong spot).
Anyway, see my other comment: the law is there to entertain us, refs should be custodians of the entertainment not ruin it.
In my opinion it’s rigged. They will find every excuse to red arsenal players. Find offsides. Find the ball going out of play.
Then city just get the benefit of the doubt every time.
It’s called corruption bro. Not hard
Lol, Liverpool got 5 reds at the start of last season. Difference is we won 3 of those games and lost one against Spurs with a goal incorrectly ruled out. 10 men isn't an excuse not to win at home for potential champions
@@lawrencebaker1811 yeah Liverpool did well? But that has nothing to do with the point I made
the Brighton player kicked the ball towards Declan’s feet, and it bounced off Rice’s ankle or foot before going out of play. Since the ball was rolling, it couldn’t have been taken unless it was stopped. Rice didn’t even realize it had hit him until he turned around and then got kicked, which should’ve been a card. The first yellow card to Rice made sense, but the second one didn’t. And let’s not forget, Pedro kicked the ball away after it went out of play in the first half and didn’t get a card
Veltman did not play the ball from where the original foul was commited. He threw it forward and under Rice's feet. The ref should have pulled the free kick back to the place it happened.
The writers of this law put it loosely. They should have put some qualifiers that the degree at which it happened.
0:49 Sums up Declan Rice perfectly there.
Rory you know what is worst? The handball.. that shot was going into the net! I don't care about rules and new rules, that was a clear penalty.
the problem with this kind of situation is that, rather than being united to fight this kind of refereeing that ruins the game for everyone, rival fans are influenced by football tribalism to support adverse decision that go against their rivals. we all lose including those who gaslight everyone here because as long as this kind of thing isn't stamped out there is nothing that will prevent it affecting the you support sooner or later
Arsenal should forget about epl and focus on Champions league. Thats likely to be a better managed one
He is insane,I have never liked him. He should never refer again
Ridiculous decision. Brighting kicked the ball away many times, no action from the ref. No common senses from the ref.
Ball was still moving. You can't restart with moving ball!
Initially, i thought Veltman was booked as well but just realised that he wasn't. Crazy cos atleast he too deserves a yellow card for that kick.
Ironic of Rory to say people who agree with the yellow don’t understand the game…
Do these decisions ever go against City ? It happened to every other team. Even the ridiculous 'push' Hojlund did against City. Bizarre
Arsenal fan here, sorry but we shouldn't depend on Situations like these. Rice's first (yellow) challenge was Stuupiiid!!! He could've passed the ball to Trossard, he was open and free, but he decided to keep the ball and lost it. Look how reckless that was! Then the Goal we conceded, even if we had Rice, we still would've conceded it. Stupid defending. Nobody's fault that we don't have a Proper Strikeeeer! We had too many chances to win the game.
Rory, consider the flipside: One of the most frustrating and unnecessary elements of modern football is the ridiculous degrees of time wasting/ delaying gameplay. The only way that shit stops is if the punishments (and risks of punishments) outweight the benefits. This card does just that: Declan Rice was willing to risk getting a 2nd yellow and missing the Tottenham game, whilst his backup Merino is injured (?) and whilst knowing the league specifically said they were gonna be more strict with game delays, for what, 2-3 seconds at 1-0 at home in the 47th minute? It's a stupid and inconsistent call, but Rice put himself in that position for no good reason whatsoever.
You can't blame Rice for this. Regardless, of what they've said they haven't cracked down on it at all. In this game alone: Veltman, João Pedro and Van Hecke all did similar or worse delays without punishment. You can't apply the rules whenever you feel like it, if the referees want to crack down on time wasting and delaying restarts they should do it consistently, because otherwise they're just cracking down on whatever team falls victim to their idiocy and incompetence.
@@fplben8652 Completely agree that the refs are inconsistent and many other players (not just in this match) do far worse and get punished less. To be clear: I don't think Rice should have been sent off. But Rice can't influence the decisions of the ref, he can only influence whether his actions give the refs a decision to make in the first place. Hitting that ball away did that and considering the context it was stupid and pointless. Very harsh, unfair and stupid decision by the ref, but that shouldn't be a surprise by now.
@@JFH3392 I get where you're coming from, Rice shouldn't have given the referee the opportunity. But I just can't blame him for letting his guard down given how carefree the referee was when Brighton players committed the same offence. It's probably a situation that we won't see again for at least a couple seasons.
I like this guy he said it how it is every time 🤙🏽
For those claiming it’s fine, Imagine Chelsea lost a game like this? Referees are a joke in general and if we keep letting them get away with incompetence it will bite all of us in the *** too.
Premier League referees should not be from Britain.
Please exchange with la liga refs. They are all real madrid fans.
The funny thing is if he nudged the ball and didn’t get kicked I don’t think the ref gets involved or cares
I will also add that if Kavanagh had really seen this as an offense, he would have rushed over with a yellow card. The fact was that he only pulled out the card after Minteh suggested Rice be given a 2nd yellow...says everything imo. This is a ref who is completely unable to think for himself.
Never even a yellow let alone a second yellow